Recent thread about a swimming dinosaur makes me wonder.
Perhaps all dinosaurs could swim – if they had to.

Would it be true to say that more mammal/reptile species can swim than can’t swim?
If swimming meant the difference between life and death.

What mammals/reptiles can swim?
What mammals/reptiles can’t swim?

Swimming mammals would include say water rat, pangolin, cow, horse, wildebeest, caribou, grizzly bear, dog, leopard, elephant as well as more familiar swimming species. What about marsupials?

Among reptiles, eastern water dragon, tiger snake and marine iguana for starters. What about goannas?

mollwollfumble said:

Recent thread about a swimming dinosaur makes me wonder.
Perhaps all dinosaurs could swim – if they had to.

Would it be true to say that more mammal/reptile species can swim than can’t swim?
If swimming meant the difference between life and death.

What mammals/reptiles can swim?
What mammals/reptiles can’t swim?

Swimming mammals would include say water rat, pangolin, cow, horse, wildebeest, caribou, grizzly bear, dog, leopard, elephant as well as more familiar swimming species. What about marsupials?

Among reptiles, eastern water dragon, tiger snake and marine iguana for starters. What about goannas?

Kangaroos swim, and do so when they are hot (if there’s water about).

mollwollfumble said:

Recent thread about a swimming dinosaur makes me wonder.
Perhaps all dinosaurs could swim – if they had to.

Would it be true to say that more mammal/reptile species can swim than can’t swim?
If swimming meant the difference between life and death.

What mammals/reptiles can swim?
What mammals/reptiles can’t swim?

Swimming mammals would include say water rat, pangolin, cow, horse, wildebeest, caribou, grizzly bear, dog, leopard, elephant as well as more familiar swimming species. What about marsupials?

Among reptiles, eastern water dragon, tiger snake and marine iguana for starters. What about goannas?

I think all reptiles can swim and most mammals except things like bats.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Recent thread about a swimming dinosaur makes me wonder.
Perhaps all dinosaurs could swim – if they had to.

Would it be true to say that more mammal/reptile species can swim than can’t swim?
If swimming meant the difference between life and death.

What mammals/reptiles can swim?
What mammals/reptiles can’t swim?

Swimming mammals would include say water rat, pangolin, cow, horse, wildebeest, caribou, grizzly bear, dog, leopard, elephant as well as more familiar swimming species. What about marsupials?

Among reptiles, eastern water dragon, tiger snake and marine iguana for starters. What about goannas?

I think all reptiles can swim and most mammals except things like bats.

Only specialised birds can swim.

Tamb said:

I think all reptiles can swim and most mammals except things like bats.

Bats can swim.

Great apes and giraffes can’t

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

I think all reptiles can swim and most mammals except things like bats.

Bats can swim.

Great apes and giraffes can’t

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

I’d query the bats swimming.

what’s swimming?

does floating with some leg movement qualify

what about exhausted swimmers that just float, that’d be a floating exhausted swimmer, or what about a a floating dead swimmer

what about youngsters of a swimming species, that can’t swim, or can’t swim to save their life

mollwollfumble said:

Recent thread about a swimming dinosaur makes me wonder.
Perhaps all dinosaurs could swim – if they had to.

Would it be true to say that more mammal/reptile species can swim than can’t swim?
If swimming meant the difference between life and death.

What mammals/reptiles can swim?
What mammals/reptiles can’t swim?

Swimming mammals would include say water rat, pangolin, cow, horse, wildebeest, caribou, grizzly bear, dog, leopard, elephant as well as more familiar swimming species. What about marsupials?

Among reptiles, eastern water dragon, tiger snake and marine iguana for starters. What about goannas?

Kangaroos are known to swim.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

I think all reptiles can swim and most mammals except things like bats.

Bats can swim.

Great apes and giraffes can’t

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

Surely giraffes could walk on the bottom and still have their heads above water?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

I think all reptiles can swim and most mammals except things like bats.

Bats can swim.

Great apes and giraffes can’t

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

Surely giraffes could walk on the bottom and still have their heads above water?

Not in the Mariana Trench.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

I think all reptiles can swim and most mammals except things like bats.

Bats can swim.

Great apes and giraffes can’t

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

Surely giraffes could walk on the bottom and still have their heads above water?

The bat “swimming” in that article is simply a bat trying to fly.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Bats can swim.

Great apes and giraffes can’t

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

Surely giraffes could walk on the bottom and still have their heads above water?

Not in the Mariana Trench.

That’s why there are no giraffes in the Philippines.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Bats can swim.

Great apes and giraffes can’t

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

Surely giraffes could walk on the bottom and still have their heads above water?

The bat “swimming” in that article is simply a bat trying to fly.

without reading the article, to add some philosophy to your morning, I could say bats swim through air

lemurs can’t swim…

gibbons

Arts said:

lemurs can’t swim…

gibbons

Is that a pejorative like ‘bollocks’?

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

lemurs can’t swim…

gibbons

Is that a pejorative like ‘bollocks’?

nah, they can’t… the zoo has lemurs and gibbons on islands. I was skeptical that they couldn’t swim if they really needed to, and then I watched one drown after it fell from a branch… so I guess my skepticism was quelled.

they also have water surrounding the baboons (along with a high wall). I was told the baboons also don’t like water, but I also watched one catch a kill a duck in the water… so who knows what to believe anymore?

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

lemurs can’t swim…

gibbons

Is that a pejorative like ‘bollocks’?

nah, they can’t… the zoo has lemurs and gibbons on islands. I was skeptical that they couldn’t swim if they really needed to, and then I watched one drown after it fell from a branch… so I guess my skepticism was quelled.

they also have water surrounding the baboons (along with a high wall). I was told the baboons also don’t like water, but I also watched one catch a kill a duck in the water… so who knows what to believe anymore?

Baboons do hunt in shallow waters. Gorillas do feed in shallow waters but I doubt either of them can actually swim.

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Is that a pejorative like ‘bollocks’?

nah, they can’t… the zoo has lemurs and gibbons on islands. I was skeptical that they couldn’t swim if they really needed to, and then I watched one drown after it fell from a branch… so I guess my skepticism was quelled.

they also have water surrounding the baboons (along with a high wall). I was told the baboons also don’t like water, but I also watched one catch a kill a duck in the water… so who knows what to believe anymore?

Baboons do hunt in shallow waters.

someone should have told the duck.

The Barely-Domesticated Wolf likes to swim, sometimes with his nose underwater, like a submarine.

!!

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

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…, but I also watched one catch a kill a duck in the water… so who knows what to believe anymore?

Baboons do hunt in shallow waters. Gorillas do feed in shallow waters but I doubt either of them can actually swim.

They have to hunt ducks like that because they’re not allowed to have shotguns.

http://www.sci-news.com/biology/science-chimpanzees-orangutans-swim-dive-01319.html

At least one other great ape species can swim as well.

The Rev Dodgson said:

http://www.sci-news.com/biology/science-chimpanzees-orangutans-swim-dive-01319.html

At least one other great ape species can swim as well.

Burmese cats love water & swim quite well.

ah, the aquatic ape again

Among large animals that can’t swim, I’ve heard of sheep and hedgehogs, but am not sure of either.

> Kangaroos

Interesting news about kangaroos swimming. I didn’t know that. I wonder what sort of swimming stroke they use, obviously not dog paddle. Reading link, I’m clearly wrong there, kangaroos do use dog paddle. Weird.

> Gorillas.

Among the monkeys, at least macaques can swim.

> http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170320-the-cruel-experiments-that-revealed-most-mammals-can-swim?ocid=fbert&fbclid=IwAR1VRfktVQeX21k__uX-rmNgNrVZHZoQj3u7PwzEIrqezmG4Q77CxiamC34

> A 1973 research paper by Anne Dagg and Doug Windsor involved placing 27 terrestrial species, ranging from shrews to skunks, into a three-metre-long tank of water to see how they fared. Fortunately, they were all able to swim – even the bat.

Oh good. That saves me the trouble of getting ethics committee approval for doing the experiments myself.

> Even the armadillo

The “Just So” stories say that the armadillo can swim.

> giant tortoises, pigs, rhinos and camels.

> During their development, mice and rats possessed six swimming gaits. Swimmers include guinea pigs, rabbits, hamsters, gerbils, and lemmings.

Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
You look like a monkey
And you swim like one too

dv said:

Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
You look like a monkey
And you swim like one too

I’d like to get with the swim but I’m boggled.

dv said:

Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
You look like a monkey
And you swim like one too

Surely this thread should be headed “Smelling”?

dv said:

Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
You look like a monkey
And you swim like one too

Oh, thank you!

wait, I think Moll is trying to tell us something…

Arts said:

wait, I think Moll is trying to tell us something…

could be, could be.

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

wait, I think Moll is trying to tell us something…

could be, could be.

I did at 3:14 am this morning. Lovely to see people still picking up on it nearly nine hours later :-)
I’m having a special birthday lunch – McDonalds. With an apple pie at home instead of a cake.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

wait, I think Moll is trying to tell us something…

could be, could be.

I did at 3:14 am this morning. Lovely to see people still picking up on it nearly nine hours later :-)
I’m having a special birthday lunch – McDonalds. With an apple pie at home instead of a cake.

Ah, OK, I had no idea this thread was all about moll.

I withdraw my proposed amendment to the thread title.

At least until I have some evidence to support the change.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

wait, I think Moll is trying to tell us something…

could be, could be.

I did at 3:14 am this morning. Lovely to see people still picking up on it nearly nine hours later :-)
I’m having a special birthday lunch – McDonalds. With an apple pie at home instead of a cake.

Happy birthday pilgrim.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

wait, I think Moll is trying to tell us something…

could be, could be.

I did at 3:14 am this morning. Lovely to see people still picking up on it nearly nine hours later :-)
I’m having a special birthday lunch – McDonalds. With an apple pie at home instead of a cake.

Happy Birthday moll!

Apple pie as a birthday cake sounds like a good choice.