I reckon it’s time to start a fresh one.

“Officers assaulted, 10 people arrested at Melbourne protest”

Nutjobs get violent…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-10/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19/12231864

I live in the Wimmera/Horsham region, Victoria. Only 3 cases detected here and quite a lot of testing last week with no positive results. Seems ok here and people in Supermarkets etc observing the rules. Usually holiday in Qld July/August, so not sure if that is a goer this year. Hope so as not enough wood for the winter otherwise.

bucolic3401 said:

I live in the Wimmera/Horsham region, Victoria. Only 3 cases detected here and quite a lot of testing last week with no positive results. Seems ok here and people in Supermarkets etc observing the rules. Usually holiday in Qld July/August, so not sure if that is a goer this year. Hope so as not enough wood for the winter otherwise.

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

An expert’s view on the efficacy of testing
https://www.facebook.com/therealsarahcooper/videos/243026750342482/?d=null&vh=e

dv said:

well it’s true, it does all seem quite unfair

buffy said:

bucolic3401 said:

I live in the Wimmera/Horsham region, Victoria. Only 3 cases detected here and quite a lot of testing last week with no positive results. Seems ok here and people in Supermarkets etc observing the rules. Usually holiday in Qld July/August, so not sure if that is a goer this year. Hope so as not enough wood for the winter otherwise.

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

bucolic3401 said:

I live in the Wimmera/Horsham region, Victoria. Only 3 cases detected here and quite a lot of testing last week with no positive results. Seems ok here and people in Supermarkets etc observing the rules. Usually holiday in Qld July/August, so not sure if that is a goer this year. Hope so as not enough wood for the winter otherwise.

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

The two here were a person returning from overseas who immediately quarantined themselves, but managed to pass it on to their partner during their quarantine period. There are large parts of Australia which have not had a case at all.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

bucolic3401 said:

I live in the Wimmera/Horsham region, Victoria. Only 3 cases detected here and quite a lot of testing last week with no positive results. Seems ok here and people in Supermarkets etc observing the rules. Usually holiday in Qld July/August, so not sure if that is a goer this year. Hope so as not enough wood for the winter otherwise.

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

Simple. Not everybody complies. Not everybody is symptomatic.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

The two here were a person returning from overseas who immediately quarantined themselves, but managed to pass it on to their partner during their quarantine period. There are large parts of Australia which have not had a case at all.

Oh, and the one(s) here were weeks ago, right back at the beginning.

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

Simple. Not everybody complies. Not everybody is symptomatic.

No there must be something outlandish to explain it. Your simple logic is not welcome here!!!

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

Simple. Not everybody complies. Not everybody is symptomatic.

No there must be something outlandish to explain it. Your simple logic is not welcome here!!!

Oh, sorry.

Russia up to 11,000 new cases for today. At this rate they’ll overtake the UK by tomorrow. Poor old Brits get knocked out in the semis once again.

party_pants said:

Russia up to 11,000 new cases for today. At this rate they’ll overtake the UK by tomorrow. Poor old Brits get knocked out in the semis once again.

Britain still remains a silver medal contender in deaths, though.

dv said:

His parents failed to bring him up properly and it shows, his selfish, greedy, inept, incompetent, he insults people, he lies, his uncaring, sexist, racist, its all about himself, protecting the oligarchy.

Without all the money he would be a sleazy second hand car dealer mistreating women, selling people lemons etc.

He is dumb, he doesn’t know what he is doing, he changes his mind constantly, he has no vision, no way does he have an IQ of 120, its more like 60.

For the American Congress and Senate to leave him in office is beyond understanding, he has damaged America, he is an embarrassment to America and the rest of world.

I get angry thinking about him, do they leave him there to be a distraction, he is not fit for office, no way is he fit for office

His logic is terrible and his ethics are horrendous.

He has made the office of the president corrupt and dysfunctional……

Let’s see how my countries are doing, quick whip through, no calculations this time.

No surprises for USA, Spain, Italy, Russia, Germany, Turkey, Canada, Peru, India, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Switzerland, Ecuador, Israel, Austria, Japan, Indonesia, South Korea, Philippines, Australia, New Zealand.

For France the number of active cases definitely looks wrong. I’d have to crunch the numbers to be sure, but the peak active cases should have been no later than 12 days after the peak daily death toll, and dropped off after peak by at least 20% by now. Belgium, Netherlands and Portugal are showing somewhat similar but less pronounced behaviour, so this needs looking into.

Brazil is going from bad to worse. Ditto Pakistan.

Keep a watch on Iran, the slight upsurge in the past 5 days is probably just a temporary setback, but perhaps not.

China. OMG, only 208 active cases in the whole country. That’s tiny, compared to the peak of 58,000 active cases.

Chile is in early stages but is getting worse. Ditto South Africa, Egypt.

What do you think of the following active cases chart for Ireland – pathetic isn’t it.
From Irish data it is possible to get an accurate time between diagnosis and death for this strain of the virus. It’s exactly 14 days.

If he was a Roman emperor he would be Caligula.

dv said:

I got stuck in a Youtube loop the other night on narcissism an narcissistic traits, and couldn’t get the Orange Shitgibbon’s face out of my head.

I didn’t need a psychology degree to make my diagnosis.

Woodie said:

dv said:

I got stuck in a Youtube loop the other night on narcissism an narcissistic traits, and couldn’t get the Orange Shitgibbon’s face out of my head.

I didn’t need a psychology degree to make my diagnosis.

Turns out you’re sane

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Russia up to 11,000 new cases for today. At this rate they’ll overtake the UK by tomorrow. Poor old Brits get knocked out in the semis once again.

Britain still remains a silver medal contender in deaths, though.

Let’s not write off Brazil, they are making good headway

dv said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Russia up to 11,000 new cases for today. At this rate they’ll overtake the UK by tomorrow. Poor old Brits get knocked out in the semis once again.

Britain still remains a silver medal contender in deaths, though.

Let’s not write off Brazil, they are making good headway

They are trying.

Possibly very trying.

dv said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Russia up to 11,000 new cases for today. At this rate they’ll overtake the UK by tomorrow. Poor old Brits get knocked out in the semis once again.

Britain still remains a silver medal contender in deaths, though.

Let’s not write off Brazil, they are making good headway

Yeah to all that.

Docs Show Top WH Officials Buried CDC Coronavirus Report on Reopening

The trove of emails show the nation’s top public health experts at the CDC spending weeks working on guidance to help the country reopen, only to see their work quashed by political appointees

The decision to shelve detailed advice from the nation’s top disease control experts for reopening communities during the coronavirus pandemic came from the highest levels of the White House, according to internal government emails obtained by The Associated Press.

The files also show that after the AP reported Thursday that the guidance document had been buried, the Trump administration ordered key parts of it to be fast-tracked for approval.

The trove of emails show the nation’s top public health experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spending weeks working on guidance to help the country deal with a public health emergency, only to see their work quashed by political appointees with little explanation.

The document, titled “Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” was researched and written to help faith leaders, business owners, educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen. It included detailed “decision trees,” or flow charts aimed at helping local leaders navigate the difficult decision of whether to reopen or remain closed.

White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany said Friday that the documents had not been approved by CDC Director Robert Redfield. The new emails, however, show that Redfield cleared the guidance.

This new CDC guidance — a mix of advice already released along with newer information — had been approved and promoted by the highest levels of its leadership, including Redfield. Despite this, the administration shelved it on April 30

As early as April 10, Redfield, who is also a member of the White House coronavirus task force, shared via email the guidance and decision trees with President Donald Trump’s inner circle, including his son-in-law Jared Kushner, top adviser Kellyanne Conway and Joseph Grogan, assistant to the president for domestic policy. Also included were Dr. Deborah Birx, Dr. Anthony Fauci and other task force members.

Three days later, CDC’s upper management sent the more than 60-page report with attached flow charts to the White House Office of Management and Budget, a step usually taken only when agencies are seeking final White House approval for documents they have already cleared.

The 17-page version later released by the AP and other news outlets was only part of the actual document submitted by the CDC, and targeted specific facilities like bars and restaurants. The AP obtained a copy Friday of the full document. That version is a more universal series of phased guidelines, “Steps for All Americans in Every Community,” geared to advise communities as a whole on testing, contact tracing and other fundamental infection control measures.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/docs-show-top-wh-officials-buried-cdc-coronavirus-report-on-reopening-1.8834713

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-52571038

dv said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-52571038

dv said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-52571038

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

bucolic3401 said:

I live in the Wimmera/Horsham region, Victoria. Only 3 cases detected here and quite a lot of testing last week with no positive results. Seems ok here and people in Supermarkets etc observing the rules. Usually holiday in Qld July/August, so not sure if that is a goer this year. Hope so as not enough wood for the winter otherwise.

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

You seem to be missing the mobility of persons in 2020.

mollwollfumble said:

…

For France the number of active cases definitely looks wrong. I’d have to crunch the numbers to be sure, but the peak active cases should have been no later than 12 days after the peak daily death toll, and dropped off after peak by at least 20% by now. Belgium, Netherlands and Portugal are showing somewhat similar but less pronounced behaviour, so this needs looking into.

…

I’ve now crunched the numbers for France. France isn’t obviously lying about its covid-19 data, not in the way that the UK and Brazil and Mexico and Ireland are.

But it’s been lying in a non-obvious way. Has to be. Here is a chart of the official number of active cases vs the number of active cases that I’ve calculated from death data and the mortality rate. The close agreement before 7 April (the two curves have independent origins) argues strongly that the analysis method is correct. But the deviation after that is remarkable.

I’m confident in saying that the number of active cases in France peaked on 7 April and follows the classic shape where the decline is slightly slower than the rise. France has virtually recovered from the epidemic.

Or to put it another way, France is underestimating the number of people in the country who have recovered by 78,000 people.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

maybe they don’t want to know, they’re hoping it’s a test problem,

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

Dude… We’re convinced already!

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

You’re expecting a lot of some people.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

Dude… We’re convinced already!

I mean I’m still shocked sometimes. He’s hitting fresh lows. It wasn’t that long ago people were asking “but is he really stupid or is this just a brilliant strategy?”

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

Dude… We’re convinced already!

I mean I’m still shocked sometimes. He’s hitting fresh lows. It wasn’t that long ago people were asking “but is he really stupid or is this just a brilliant strategy?”

Cognitive inertia can be difficult to overcome, I know.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

Dude… We’re convinced already!

I mean I’m still shocked sometimes. He’s hitting fresh lows. It wasn’t that long ago people were asking “but is he really stupid or is this just a brilliant strategy?”

aren’t the tests 70% accurate though ¿ like maybe there was a false positive in there somewhere, real

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

I love the quote under it :

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market. A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

sibeen said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

I love the quote under it :

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market. A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

So you buy into this whole “actually some Americans do get irony” thing do you?

I also like “she tested very good”.

It’s…it’s fucking binary. They don’t come back with results that are graded like “pretty good”, “very good”, “fair”, “pass conceded”.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

well, you can hide your tax returns, lie constantly, get investigated, get impeached, have your corrupt mates bail you out every single time for decades…

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

It doesn’t sound like irony in the video and he’s not known for subtle humour.

I’m hoping that the 43% of Americans who say they approve of this shit are doing so ironically.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

It doesn’t sound like irony in the video and he’s not known for subtle humour.

I’m hoping that the 43% of Americans who say they approve of this shit are doing so ironically.

For A Better Future ¡

It’s like Socrates, it’s like Marx, it’s … The Dialectic ¡!!

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

I love the quote under it :

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market. A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

So you buy into this whole “actually some Americans do get irony” thing do you?

but is it ironic, comparing it to pregnancy is… well you can check for signs of life for a lifetime, and then one day,

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

It doesn’t sound like irony in the video and he’s not known for subtle humour.

I’m hoping that the 43% of Americans who say they approve of this shit are doing so ironically.

The good Rev was asking about the pregnancy comment.

I certainly took that as being ironic and assumed the writer was possibly not from the USA :)

Mr Albanese will use his speech to reinforce the need to “once again become a country that produces high-tech manufacturing” and one that invests in science.

we’ll take it thanks

SCIENCE said:

Mr Albanese will use his speech to reinforce the need to “once again become a country that produces high-tech manufacturing” and one that invests in science.

we’ll take it thanks

Yet the labor party and unions have sat back and made things worse for decades. Only hi-tech manufacturing ?

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

It doesn’t sound like irony in the video and he’s not known for subtle humour.

I’m hoping that the 43% of Americans who say they approve of this shit are doing so ironically.

I meant the pregnancy test statement, not what Trump said.

sibeen said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

It doesn’t sound like irony in the video and he’s not known for subtle humour.

I’m hoping that the 43% of Americans who say they approve of this shit are doing so ironically.

The good Rev was asking about the pregnancy comment.

I certainly took that as being ironic and assumed the writer was possibly not from the USA :)

could be from tel aviv

Trees social distancing. Enjoy.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

It doesn’t sound like irony in the video and he’s not known for subtle humour.

I’m hoping that the 43% of Americans who say they approve of this shit are doing so ironically.

I meant the pregnancy test statement, not what Trump said.

in other news, Trump speaks only truth and West Taiwan lies again

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-11/trump-returns-serve-on-obama-coronavirus-criticism/12233340

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-11/china-denies-24-lies-by-us-politicians-over-coronavirus/12233106

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=19

I know I put a version of this in the funnies thread but it worthwhile watching the original including the question asked. Just try and get your head around how dumb someone needs to be to say something like this. Even a child would understand that if you are tested negative for a disease several times, and then later test positive, it’s not an indication that the concept of testing is flawed, and what it actually means happened in the meantime.

“This is why I don’t buy into the whole pregnancy tests market.
A woman can test negative her entire life, then all of a sudden, she tests positive. They aren’t great.”

OK, it looks like irony, but these days how do we know?

It doesn’t sound like irony in the video and he’s not known for subtle humour.

I’m hoping that the 43% of Americans who say they approve of this shit are doing so ironically.

They are the lynch mobs.

Rule 303 said:

Trees social distancing. Enjoy.

That your photo?

Paul Zahra, CEO of the Australian Retailers Association spoke on Channel 9 earlier after people, including the NSW Premier, expressed concern over large numbers of people in shopping centres over the weekend.

“Equally customers want to shop. There’s been a suppressed aspect of shopping, so people want to be outdoors. They want to be shopping, so we are culminating in everybody doing the right thing.”

—

sorry if you want to shop then go and spread that shit around whatever but last we checked shopping centres weren’t exactly outdoors, no need to pack the aisles and the corridors and the churches even if we worship the Capitalist God Of Retail sheesh

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

Trees social distancing. Enjoy.

That your photo?

Nope.

SCIENCE said:

Paul Zahra, CEO of the Australian Retailers Association spoke on Channel 9 earlier after people, including the NSW Premier, expressed concern over large numbers of people in shopping centres over the weekend.

“Equally customers want to shop. There’s been a suppressed aspect of shopping, so people want to be outdoors. They want to be shopping, so we are culminating in everybody doing the right thing.”

—

sorry if you want to shop then go and spread that shit around whatever but last we checked shopping centres weren’t exactly outdoors, no need to pack the aisles and the corridors and the churches even if we worship the Capitalist God Of Retail sheesh

Just watch them have a cry when there’s a second wave and everyone’s back in lockdown again.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Paul Zahra, CEO of the Australian Retailers Association spoke on Channel 9 earlier after people, including the NSW Premier, expressed concern over large numbers of people in shopping centres over the weekend.

“Equally customers want to shop. There’s been a suppressed aspect of shopping, so people want to be outdoors. They want to be shopping, so we are culminating in everybody doing the right thing.”

—

sorry if you want to shop then go and spread that shit around whatever but last we checked shopping centres weren’t exactly outdoors, no need to pack the aisles and the corridors and the churches even if we worship the Capitalist God Of Retail sheesh

Just watch them have a cry when there’s a second wave and everyone’s back in lockdown again.

Please please, let me go to the shos one more time before I die.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I think there have been a few more in Hamilton but only 2 were locals (I’m relying on my memory of reading the Hamilton Spectator – could be dodgy). People here seem to be behaving, but it’s not a lot different from usual really in a farming community. I do know there was a bonfire in someone’s paddock a couple of nights ago, which would have been breaking the rules I suspect. Young folk. Had a chat with our local policeman (we are a one policeman town) and he said they have just been being sensible and mostly just warning people. Unless you draw attention to yourself by doing really stupid things. But isn’t that always the case?

I’m seriously beginning to wonder how Covid-19 manages to travel large distances after lockdown. There’s hardly a country in the world, or a part of any country, that hasn’t had at least one case (do we trust North Korea on this?). What are we missing?

You seem to be missing the mobility of persons in 2020.

it travels among the noise and general tolerance of common colds (flu included), and has the added advantage of an extreme spread of symptoms and outcomes, including illness (and death) which attracts helping and comforting behaviors (proximity and sequential contacts likely to spread the virus). So you have people with mild or no symptoms shedding a lot of virus (and it does shed a lot of virus), and the people that get it bad shed virus for longer (immune system less able to damp replication to less contagious levels, as quickly)

the thing that throws some people (say those tending toward conspiracies), is that the motivation to understand why it happened, isn’t generally answered by a typical why, most of the virus world, as does most of nature, keeps doing what it does (a lot of accidents, of the replicator world) completely independent of and indifferent to human thought (a fortunate thing, mostly). Some may see the paradoxical aspect of the motivational force of the question of why applied to something that isn’t much or at all influenced by that, so there’s a potential confusion between why and how. Why has about it almost justificational requirements of an explanation applied to an object, or process (of why migrated from the social field, or force of thought, that things should yield to the work of minds), but how doesn’t necessarily. So some people are going to be more interested in why, rather than how, and the former is with no (or perhaps a lesser certainty) going to yield an answer as to how

some people be wanting to know if it’s been accidentally bred in a lab, for medical purposes, but doubt that’s the case, it could I guess, have been adapted to animal tissue, then got into an animal population, then to humans

as things go, there are aspects of the political world (social forces included) that force the how around anything that might ask why, and why is the wrong approach, conveniently for some, misguided

a dumb example, is like pick some advertising that turns up in your social media feed, someone somewhere controls how that happens, (gets a machine to do it) they have a privileged influence over how that happens, and an understanding of that is likely to be limited by the recipients why, to the extent any why exists

Dont tell Trump but

Maybe the White House needs to be closed for a “deep clean”.

Ive bought my hamzut suit for the supermarket its multicoloured with Warning all over it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dont tell Trump but

Maybe the White House needs to be closed for a “deep clean”.

Yes. Dissolve him and hose him out of the place.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dont tell Trump but

Maybe the White House needs to be closed for a “deep clean”.

Yes. Dissolve him and hose him out of the place.

they did it already, it was called “draining the swamp”

wait

Vic has lifted restrictions a little, now allowing up to five family & friends to visit homes, outside gatherings of up to 10, and some sports to resume.

Also reported that out of the 150,000 tests done in the last couple of weeks, 30 were positive. On those numbers, there’s 1,200 cases on the Vic community we don’t know about yet.

Rule 303 said:

Vic has lifted restrictions a little, now allowing up to five family & friends to visit homes, outside gatherings of up to 10, and some sports to resume.

Also reported that out of the 150,000 tests done in the last couple of weeks, 30 were positive. On those numbers, there’s 1,200 cases on the Vic community we don’t know about yet.

1250

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

Vic has lifted restrictions a little, now allowing up to five family & friends to visit homes, outside gatherings of up to 10, and some sports to resume.

Also reported that out of the 150,000 tests done in the last couple of weeks, 30 were positive. On those numbers, there’s 1,200 cases on the Vic community we don’t know about yet.

1250

Probably not. Remember that the tests weren’t random. Either some symptoms, or a contact of a person who is positive.

SCIENCE said:

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

sorry, misattribution, that piece actually came from that old Communist Party Apparatus, the QUT

https://theconversation.com/retire-the-retirement-village-the-wall-and-whats-behind-it-is-so-2020-135953

SCIENCE said:

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

According to people who went to Chermside Westfield on the weekend, there’s a COVID testing place inside. Anyone who wants to be tested, can be. No need for symptoms or proximity to confirmed cases or being a frontline worker.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

Vic has lifted restrictions a little, now allowing up to five family & friends to visit homes, outside gatherings of up to 10, and some sports to resume.

Also reported that out of the 150,000 tests done in the last couple of weeks, 30 were positive. On those numbers, there’s 1,200 cases on the Vic community we don’t know about yet.

1250

Probably not. Remember that the tests weren’t random. Either some symptoms, or a contact of a person who is positive.

we thought it was reported double figures every day, if that was 2 weeks it’d be a lot more than 30, it’d be 140 at least, that’s 4200 cases

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

:)

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

lol

first, there were humans, with their own purposes

then there were robots to do work for human purposes

then there were robots that still needed some human work done, giving humans purpose

then humans were free because they no longer needed any work for any purpose

the solution became obvious, what purpose the human ¿

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

:)

Yes, if ECONOMIC GROWTH is demand and stimulus driven… then the more OLD PEOPLE the better ¡¡¡!!¡

I realise authorities are trying to thread the needle but Boris’s speech was a headscratcher. Return to work but avoid public transport? Can you even imagine Londoners all trying to get to work by private vehicle? Just impossible, there isn’t the space. They have to adapt public transport for the new conditions.

Divine Angel said:

According to people who went to Chermside Westfield on the weekend, there’s a COVID testing place inside. Anyone who wants to be tested, can be. No need for symptoms or proximity to confirmed cases or being a frontline worker.

Good

dv said:

I realise authorities are trying to thread the needle but Boris’s speech was a headscratcher. Return to work but avoid public transport? Can you even imagine Londoners all trying to get to work by private vehicle? Just impossible, there isn’t the space. They have to adapt public transport for the new conditions.

Some articles did mention that ancient form of transport, legs.

dv said:

I realise authorities are trying to thread the needle but Boris’s speech was a headscratcher. Return to work but avoid public transport? Can you even imagine Londoners all trying to get to work by private vehicle? Just impossible, there isn’t the space. They have to adapt public transport for the new conditions.

They should demolish all their old cities and rebuild them according to a more car friendly layout.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I realise authorities are trying to thread the needle but Boris’s speech was a headscratcher. Return to work but avoid public transport? Can you even imagine Londoners all trying to get to work by private vehicle? Just impossible, there isn’t the space. They have to adapt public transport for the new conditions.

Some articles did mention that ancient form of transport, legs.

People commute from fucking Surrey to London

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I realise authorities are trying to thread the needle but Boris’s speech was a headscratcher. Return to work but avoid public transport? Can you even imagine Londoners all trying to get to work by private vehicle? Just impossible, there isn’t the space. They have to adapt public transport for the new conditions.

Some articles did mention that ancient form of transport, legs.

People commute from fucking Surrey to London

They’ll be quite fit after a few weeks then.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

I think this is kind of a nonsense problem. Productivity has increased tremendously over the last 70 years so it is good and appropriate that people can live longer in leisure.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We have been repeatedly warned about a looming “crisis” when by 2050 one in four Australians will be 65 or older. They have been portrayed as dependent non-contributors, unable to take care of themselves.

This scenario of doom is based on underlying assumptions that everyone over 65 wants to, can or should stop any kind of productive contribution to Australia.

What if these assumptions are wrong?

—

don’t lie to us, ABC, don’t give us this “old people are still important” bullshit, how else can we make it palatable to casually kill off hundreds of thousands of people unless we claim that they’re (1) expensive to maintain and (2) not productive

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

I think this is kind of a nonsense problem. Productivity has increased tremendously over the last 70 years so it is good and appropriate that people can live longer in leisure.

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

sibeen said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Some articles did mention that ancient form of transport, legs.

People commute from fucking Surrey to London

They’ll be quite fit after a few weeks then.

well we haven’t done that before so we couldn’t judge the seriousness of those articles

they could drive between less distant nodes and then continue on foot

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

I think this is kind of a nonsense problem. Productivity has increased tremendously over the last 70 years so it is good and appropriate that people can live longer in leisure.

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

but the young, they’re spoiled and entitled

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Am I the only one who thinks that looks like a scab…?

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Am I the only one who thinks that looks like a scab…?

no.

sibeen said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Some articles did mention that ancient form of transport, legs.

People commute from fucking Surrey to London

They’ll be quite fit after a few weeks then.

And pneumonia will kill off the weak.

Look we know it’s UnAustralian to Respect The Asians but here’s some révélation from that bastion of Northwest Tibetan, Socialist-Apologetic reporting, the CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/vietnam-may-avoid-a-coronavirus-induced-recession-as-lockdown-lifts.html

Vietnam may be able to avert a recession this year as the country gets back to work and school after early coronavirus containment measures, an economist said on Monday.

“They are not going to be immune to the slowdown of external global demand … But we don’t expect them to fall into a recession or contraction,” said Sian Fenner, lead Asia economist at Oxford Economics.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Am I the only one who thinks that looks like a scab…?

I was thinking it looks vaguely like some critter sitting on the toilet with a very shitty bum.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I realise authorities are trying to thread the needle but Boris’s speech was a headscratcher. Return to work but avoid public transport? Can you even imagine Londoners all trying to get to work by private vehicle? Just impossible, there isn’t the space. They have to adapt public transport for the new conditions.

Some articles did mention that ancient form of transport, legs.

People commute from fucking Surrey to London

How far is that? 20 or 25 km? And it’s suburban all the way.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Am I the only one who thinks that looks like a scab…?

no.

it correlates worth the Bremain votes, does that change your perception at least à little ¿

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Am I the only one who thinks that looks like a scab…?

first thought.

SCIENCE said:

Look we know it’s UnAustralian to Respect The Asians but here’s some révélation from that bastion of Northwest Tibetan, Socialist-Apologetic reporting, the CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/vietnam-may-avoid-a-coronavirus-induced-recession-as-lockdown-lifts.html

Vietnam may be able to avert a recession this year as the country gets back to work and school after early coronavirus containment measures, an economist said on Monday.

“They are not going to be immune to the slowdown of external global demand … But we don’t expect them to fall into a recession or contraction,” said Sian Fenner, lead Asia economist at Oxford Economics.

Northeast, fk this keyboard… sorry.

I see that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have decided not to follow the same guidelines as England.

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Europe fascinates me. Imagine just popping over the country’s border for work, or grab something from the bakery/chocolate shop (like mum’s rellos did).

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Am I the only one who thinks that looks like a scab…?

I was thinking it looks vaguely like some critter sitting on the toilet with a very shitty bum.

Too many chilli’s.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

Vic has lifted restrictions a little, now allowing up to five family & friends to visit homes, outside gatherings of up to 10, and some sports to resume.

Also reported that out of the 150,000 tests done in the last couple of weeks, 30 were positive. On those numbers, there’s 1,200 cases on the Vic community we don’t know about yet.

1250

Probably not. Remember that the tests weren’t random. Either some symptoms, or a contact of a person who is positive.

Heh.

Didn’t think I would get away with that. There’s lots of reasons the numbers could be wrong.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I think this is kind of a nonsense problem. Productivity has increased tremendously over the last 70 years so it is good and appropriate that people can live longer in leisure.

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

but the young, they’re spoiled and entitled

How shall we punish them further for their smooth skin and creakless joints?

Michael V said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Some articles did mention that ancient form of transport, legs.

People commute from fucking Surrey to London

How far is that? 20 or 25 km? And it’s suburban all the way.

Plenty of commuters outside the “Green Belt” but still in Surrey. That’s more like 40-60 km.

My father used to do that from about 45-55 years ago, and I’d join him sometimes in the later years.

Traffic wasn’t too bad.

Provided you left by 6:00 am at the latest.

party_pants said:

I see that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have decided not to follow the same guidelines as England.

Stroppy baskets.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

but the young, they’re spoiled and entitled

How shall we punish them further for their smooth skin and creakless joints?

Close pubs and night clubs. That’ll show them…

Divine Angel said:

According to people who went to Chermside Westfield on the weekend, there’s a COVID testing place inside. Anyone who wants to be tested, can be. No need for symptoms or proximity to confirmed cases or being a frontline worker.

That’s what I was doing Friday & Saturday of the week before last – Setting one of those things up.

Rule 303 said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

1250

Probably not. Remember that the tests weren’t random. Either some symptoms, or a contact of a person who is positive.

Heh.

Didn’t think I would get away with that. There’s lots of reasons the numbers could be wrong.

No-one has yet said it – show workings.

Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

According to people who went to Chermside Westfield on the weekend, there’s a COVID testing place inside. Anyone who wants to be tested, can be. No need for symptoms or proximity to confirmed cases or being a frontline worker.

That’s what I was doing Friday & Saturday of the week before last – Setting one of those things up.

I’m sure the last time I checked it was still targeted testing. Although pretty broad, with basically any symptoms.

they had people checking everyone’s temperature at the health clinic today..

I wondered what would happen if they came across someone with a temp?
my guess is they would ask more questions and maybe give them a mask so they could attend their appointment.

Rule 303 said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

1250

Probably not. Remember that the tests weren’t random. Either some symptoms, or a contact of a person who is positive.

Heh.

Didn’t think I would get away with that. There’s lots of reasons the numbers could be wrong.

MV, I feel compelled to point out – These tests were done in supermarket carparks with anybody who would wait in line (in their vehicle). No need for symptoms or contact.

party_pants said:

I see that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have decided not to follow the same guidelines as England.

Fumigate them.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Michael V said:

Probably not. Remember that the tests weren’t random. Either some symptoms, or a contact of a person who is positive.

Heh.

Didn’t think I would get away with that. There’s lots of reasons the numbers could be wrong.

No-one has yet said it – show workings.

150,00 / 30 = 5,000
6,400,000 / 5,000 = 1,280
1,280 – 30 = 1,250

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

I see that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have decided not to follow the same guidelines as England.

Fumigate them.

Get rid of the unwashed.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Heck with Surrey, there are people commuting to London from Cornwall, Wales, Newcastle. Not shown on this map but there are people who commute to London from France.

Europe fascinates me. Imagine just popping over the country’s border for work, or grab something from the bakery/chocolate shop (like mum’s rellos did).

I had an English friend who would send me messages like ‘had a long weekend. looked boring, so i went to Paris for a couple of days’.

She used to have to go to Dublin once a week for work. Cost her 8 pounds airfare each way.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-11/vice-president-mike-pence-in-coronavirus-self-isolation/12233614

Deep cleaning, widespread staff temperature checks in the workplace…I thought it was a nothing thing…I thought the Pres was immune. Or something.

;)

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It seems to me that the first question we have to answer is this:

Is the problem unproductive people not doing the work, or lack of work because the robots are doing it all?

If the latter we must preserve our older people so they can provide work for the younger people.

I think this is kind of a nonsense problem. Productivity has increased tremendously over the last 70 years so it is good and appropriate that people can live longer in leisure.

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

I do have some concerns about the effect of an ageing population in a rapidly developing world, but they are political, not economic. At 51 years old, I feel I’ve lived a life: had a career, had fun, probably have grandkids soon, and basically looking to coast out from here. But the average age of an Australian voter is more than 51. With rapid technological and social change, the number of people whose formative years occurred at a time when the world was very different increases. People who were already in their fifties when homosexuality was a criminal offence in Qld got to vote on whether gays should be able to marry. We may envision worsening age-related cultural conflict.

Having said that I’m just raising it as something that needs to be managed: I still think it is fundamentally a good thing that people are living longer.

Trump says doing too much coronavirus testing makes the US ‘look bad’ as he pushes for the country to reopen

President Donald Trump thinks that too much coronavirus testing makes the US “look bad.”

“The media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad,” Trump said on Wednesday.

The US still lags behind other countries in terms of the share of the population tested for coronavirus.

Public-health experts, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, have warned against reopening the country and easing coronavirus restrictions without a robust testing system in place.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-says-too-much-coronavirus-testing-makes-us-look-bad-2020-5?fbclid=IwAR1MzDPztHdGRGfhQtu19wjtWlR7S1cTl3GlF4gETyVC6cHlQdAgp-R2Xmg&r=US&IR=T

dv said:

Trump says doing too much coronavirus testing makes the US ‘look bad’ as he pushes for the country to reopen

President Donald Trump thinks that too much coronavirus testing makes the US “look bad.”

“The media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad,” Trump said on Wednesday.

The US still lags behind other countries in terms of the share of the population tested for coronavirus.

Public-health experts, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, have warned against reopening the country and easing coronavirus restrictions without a robust testing system in place.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-says-too-much-coronavirus-testing-makes-us-look-bad-2020-5?fbclid=IwAR1MzDPztHdGRGfhQtu19wjtWlR7S1cTl3GlF4gETyVC6cHlQdAgp-R2Xmg&r=US&IR=T

Reopening the country and winding back testing makes the country look stupid. Your choice, Mr Trump.

dv said:

Trump says doing too much coronavirus testing makes the US ‘look bad’ as he pushes for the country to reopen

President Donald Trump thinks that too much coronavirus testing makes the US “look bad.”

“The media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad,” Trump said on Wednesday.

The US still lags behind other countries in terms of the share of the population tested for coronavirus.

Public-health experts, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, have warned against reopening the country and easing coronavirus restrictions without a robust testing system in place.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-says-too-much-coronavirus-testing-makes-us-look-bad-2020-5?fbclid=IwAR1MzDPztHdGRGfhQtu19wjtWlR7S1cTl3GlF4gETyVC6cHlQdAgp-R2Xmg&r=US&IR=T

There’s actually a small kernel of truth in that. They have done the most testing. Tests per population they’re not in the top 20, although to be fair they only lag Australia in this metric by a bit.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Trump says doing too much coronavirus testing makes the US ‘look bad’ as he pushes for the country to reopen

President Donald Trump thinks that too much coronavirus testing makes the US “look bad.”

“The media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad,” Trump said on Wednesday.

The US still lags behind other countries in terms of the share of the population tested for coronavirus.

Public-health experts, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, have warned against reopening the country and easing coronavirus restrictions without a robust testing system in place.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-says-too-much-coronavirus-testing-makes-us-look-bad-2020-5?fbclid=IwAR1MzDPztHdGRGfhQtu19wjtWlR7S1cTl3GlF4gETyVC6cHlQdAgp-R2Xmg&r=US&IR=T

There’s actually a small kernel of truth in that. They have done the most testing. Tests per population they’re not in the top 20, although to be fair they only lag Australia in this metric by a bit.

The USA still have unchecked community spread and don’t know the full extent of infections. In Australia we never got to that stage. We are pretty confident in that most states the virus is not quietly spreading untested.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I think this is kind of a nonsense problem. Productivity has increased tremendously over the last 70 years so it is good and appropriate that people can live longer in leisure.

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

I do have some concerns about the effect of an ageing population in a rapidly developing world, but they are political, not economic. At 51 years old, I feel I’ve lived a life: had a career, had fun, probably have grandkids soon, and basically looking to coast out from here. But the average age of an Australian voter is more than 51. With rapid technological and social change, the number of people whose formative years occurred at a time when the world was very different increases. People who were already in their fifties when homosexuality was a criminal offence in Qld got to vote on whether gays should be able to marry. We may envision worsening age-related cultural conflict.

Having said that I’m just raising it as something that needs to be managed: I still think it is fundamentally a good thing that people are living longer.

May you live longer.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Trump says doing too much coronavirus testing makes the US ‘look bad’ as he pushes for the country to reopen

President Donald Trump thinks that too much coronavirus testing makes the US “look bad.”

“The media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad,” Trump said on Wednesday.

The US still lags behind other countries in terms of the share of the population tested for coronavirus.

Public-health experts, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, have warned against reopening the country and easing coronavirus restrictions without a robust testing system in place.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-says-too-much-coronavirus-testing-makes-us-look-bad-2020-5?fbclid=IwAR1MzDPztHdGRGfhQtu19wjtWlR7S1cTl3GlF4gETyVC6cHlQdAgp-R2Xmg&r=US&IR=T

There’s actually a small kernel of truth in that. They have done the most testing. Tests per population they’re not in the top 20, although to be fair they only lag Australia in this metric by a bit.

The USA still have unchecked community spread and don’t know the full extent of infections. In Australia we never got to that stage. We are pretty confident in that most states the virus is not quietly spreading untested.

we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad,” Trump said

—

so they kind of know, but no, they don’t really know

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-11/vice-president-mike-pence-in-coronavirus-self-isolation/12233614

Deep cleaning, widespread staff temperature checks in the workplace…I thought it was a nothing thing…I thought the Pres was immune. Or something.

;)

so they kind of know, but no, they don’t really know

New map ranks areas ‘most at risk’ if there’s a COVID-19 outbreak

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve now crunched the numbers for France. France isn’t obviously lying about its covid-19 data, not in the way that the UK and Brazil and Mexico and Ireland are.

But it’s been lying in a non-obvious way. Has to be. Here is a chart of the official number of active cases vs the number of active cases that I’ve calculated from death data and the mortality rate. The close agreement before 7 April (the two curves have independent origins) argues strongly that the analysis method is correct. But the deviation after that is remarkable.

I’m confident in saying that the number of active cases in France peaked on 7 April and follows the classic shape where the decline is slightly slower than the rise. France has virtually recovered from the epidemic.

Or to put it another way, France is underestimating the number of people in the country who have recovered by 78,000 people.

OK, what the heck is happening here? I hadn’t tried predicting active cases for countries that weren’t obviously lying before. But France made me rethink, so I tried USA because the graph looked just a bit odd.

Same thing as France. Exact match for my calculations (marked extrapolation on the following graph) and official figures for a while, in this case until 4 April. Then a massive divergence.

I should give you updated mortality rates for France and USA, slightly down for both.

France = mortality rate 15.7±0.3%, down from 16.3±0.4%.
USA = mortality rate 6.7±0.3%, down from 7.2%±0.3%.

Reckon it will reach 12 million infected Worldwide ?

More or less?

Any prediction of total deaths?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Reckon it will reach 12 million infected Worldwide ?

More or less?

Yes.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Any prediction of total deaths?

No.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Reckon it will reach 12 million infected Worldwide ?

More or less?

Any prediction of total deaths?

Darn good question. I ought to be able to give you an answer to both of those when I’ve crunched some more numbers.

The total deaths rather uncertain for countries that haven’t yet peaked, but they’re now in the minority.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I think this is kind of a nonsense problem. Productivity has increased tremendously over the last 70 years so it is good and appropriate that people can live longer in leisure.

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

I do have some concerns about the effect of an ageing population in a rapidly developing world, but they are political, not economic. At 51 years old, I feel I’ve lived a life: had a career, had fun, probably have grandkids soon, and basically looking to coast out from here. But the average age of an Australian voter is more than 51. With rapid technological and social change, the number of people whose formative years occurred at a time when the world was very different increases. People who were already in their fifties when homosexuality was a criminal offence in Qld got to vote on whether gays should be able to marry. We may envision worsening age-related cultural conflict.

Having said that I’m just raising it as something that needs to be managed: I still think it is fundamentally a good thing that people are living longer.

Do you think the living longer thing is going to survive the “obesity epidemic”? With its concomitant rates of cardiovascular stuff?

buffy said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m glad to see we are agreed on this issue.

I do have some concerns about the effect of an ageing population in a rapidly developing world, but they are political, not economic. At 51 years old, I feel I’ve lived a life: had a career, had fun, probably have grandkids soon, and basically looking to coast out from here. But the average age of an Australian voter is more than 51. With rapid technological and social change, the number of people whose formative years occurred at a time when the world was very different increases. People who were already in their fifties when homosexuality was a criminal offence in Qld got to vote on whether gays should be able to marry. We may envision worsening age-related cultural conflict.

Having said that I’m just raising it as something that needs to be managed: I still think it is fundamentally a good thing that people are living longer.

Do you think the living longer thing is going to survive the “obesity epidemic”? With its concomitant rates of cardiovascular stuff?

that’s all caused by coronaviruses remember

Rule 303 said:

New map ranks areas ‘most at risk’ if there’s a COVID-19 outbreak

https://www.finity.com.au/consulting/covid-19-susceptibility-index

Interactive map on that page.

Rule 303 said:

New map ranks areas ‘most at risk’ if there’s a COVID-19 outbreak

Here, have a real link…

https://www.finity.com.au/consulting/covid-19-susceptibility-index

(I haven’t checked out who finity are. But the first link is a Neil Mitchell link. Not gonna read that…)

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

New map ranks areas ‘most at risk’ if there’s a COVID-19 outbreak

Here, have a real link…

https://www.finity.com.au/consulting/covid-19-susceptibility-index

(I haven’t checked out who finity are. But the first link is a Neil Mitchell link. Not gonna read that…)

Never ‘eard of him.

He dominates the air waves, allegedly.

Not round these parts he don’t.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

New map ranks areas ‘most at risk’ if there’s a COVID-19 outbreak

Here, have a real link…

https://www.finity.com.au/consulting/covid-19-susceptibility-index

(I haven’t checked out who finity are. But the first link is a Neil Mitchell link. Not gonna read that…)

Never ‘eard of him.

He dominates the air waves, allegedly.

Not round these parts he don’t.

Bit like Alan Jones in Melbourne.

Who?

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Here, have a real link…

https://www.finity.com.au/consulting/covid-19-susceptibility-index

(I haven’t checked out who finity are. But the first link is a Neil Mitchell link. Not gonna read that…)

Never ‘eard of him.

He dominates the air waves, allegedly.

Not round these parts he don’t.

Bit like Alan Jones in Melbourne.

Who?

For some strange reason here in FNQ we get John Laws.

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Here, have a real link…

https://www.finity.com.au/consulting/covid-19-susceptibility-index

(I haven’t checked out who finity are. But the first link is a Neil Mitchell link. Not gonna read that…)

Never ‘eard of him.

He dominates the air waves, allegedly.

Not round these parts he don’t.

Bit like Alan Jones in Melbourne.

Who?

A bit?! My staff used to have a radio on in the workshop. I learnt to mentally turn it off. Occasionally if I was out there I’d hear a bit. After we stripped down to minimal staff, the radio “broke”. (It’s now in my old receptionist’s husband’s shed where he does his street rods. He can listen to what he likes – but I don’t think he will be listening to Neil Mitchell)

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Never ‘eard of him.

He dominates the air waves, allegedly.

Not round these parts he don’t.

Bit like Alan Jones in Melbourne.

Who?

For some strange reason here in FNQ we get John Laws.

Have heard of him.

From times long ago, in a previous century.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

Bit like Alan Jones in Melbourne.

Who?

For some strange reason here in FNQ we get John Laws.

Have heard of him.

From times long ago, in a previous century.

Makes sense. He’s 84.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

For some strange reason here in FNQ we get John Laws.

Have heard of him.

From times long ago, in a previous century.

Makes sense. He’s 84.

The words ‘makes sense’ and ‘John Laws’ haven’t been seen together for a very long time until now.

John Laws has some books of his poetry published.

It’s one of the few things that have made me think that book-burnings are not always a bad idea.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Have heard of him.

From times long ago, in a previous century.

Makes sense. He’s 84.

The words ‘makes sense’ and ‘John Laws’ haven’t been seen together for a very long time until now.

He certainly likes Scotty from marketing.

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Makes sense. He’s 84.

The words ‘makes sense’ and ‘John Laws’ haven’t been seen together for a very long time until now.

He certainly likes Scotty from marketing.

John Laws is all about marketing.

The deal used to be, maybe still is: he buys his air-time from the station, and then sells ad times in it direct, himself. This gives the station little control over what he says or does.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Reckon it will reach 12 million infected Worldwide ?

More or less?

Any prediction of total deaths?

Lord knows how many are even infected right now. Possibly an order of magnitude higher than the number of positive tests.

buffy said:

Do you think the living longer thing is going to survive the “obesity epidemic”? With its concomitant rates of cardiovascular stuff?

I’d need more data if I were to comment intelligently on that.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-11/australia-research-workforce-facing-widespread-coronavirus-pain/12234704

success, conspiracy to decrease educational attainment is working, the voters will never know SCIENCE and they will never be intelligent enough to Change The World For The Better

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1259572964447653892

lol.

ChrispenEvan said:

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1259572964447653892

lol.

Does not pass dimensional analysis

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1259572964447653892

lol.

Does not pass dimensional analysis

well it does seem like they’re off in some other universe

ChrispenEvan said:

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1259572964447653892

lol.

Oh dear. The incidence of flu in Australia is on the rise.

mollwollfumble said:

Oh dear. The incidence of flu in Australia is on the rise.

It’s over, we’re fkd.

mollwollfumble said:

Oh dear. The incidence of flu in Australia is on the rise.

Actually the incidence of fever and cough is on the rise.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1259572964447653892

lol.

Does not pass dimensional analysis

well it does seem like they’re off in some other universe

time and relative dimensions in space

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1259572964447653892

lol.

we feel like it should concern us a bit …

aside from the plain idiocy of it, the secondary effect of reinforcing how “cool” it is to be shithouse at mathematics, engineering, technology, SCIENCE

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1259572964447653892

lol.

we feel like it should concern us a bit …

aside from the plain idiocy of it, the secondary effect of reinforcing how “cool” it is to be shithouse at mathematics, engineering, technology, SCIENCE

that said,

https://twitter.com/SamuelPAustin/status/1259574045688897539

Eleven and a half thousand for Russia, they have come very close to knocking the UK off the podium. The UK’s only chance now is a big second wave to catch up with and knock Spain out of the top 3.

Interesting that the new UK slogan removes the red alarm stripes from the poster and replaces them with green, and removes the words “Stay home” with “Stay Alert”. People reading the new slogan and signs might not realise that the stay home lockdown order is not yet technically lifted. Confusing.

party_pants said:

Eleven and a half thousand for Russia, they have come very close to knocking the UK off the podium. The UK’s only chance now is a big second wave to catch up with and knock Spain out of the top 3.

Interesting that the new UK slogan removes the red alarm stripes from the poster and replaces them with green, and removes the words “Stay home” with “Stay Alert”. People reading the new slogan and signs might not realise that the stay home lockdown order is not yet technically lifted. Confusing.

intentional

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Eleven and a half thousand for Russia, they have come very close to knocking the UK off the podium. The UK’s only chance now is a big second wave to catch up with and knock Spain out of the top 3.

Interesting that the new UK slogan removes the red alarm stripes from the poster and replaces them with green, and removes the words “Stay home” with “Stay Alert”. People reading the new slogan and signs might not realise that the stay home lockdown order is not yet technically lifted. Confusing.

intentional

Yes. The change of colour from red to green must be a deliberate choice, and people know what it signifies.

But why? Why put out mixed messages? They haven’t really lifted the restrictions yet, the changes are minor and cautious. It’s like the people involved are either not talking to each other, or the government is trying to be misleading and deceptive. I can’t work out why the latter would be of any benefit.

Cuomo said that 521 people were hospitalized with the disease on Saturday and 207 died of it. The hospitalization figure, he said, “takes us right back to where we started this hellish journey.”

good work we suppose, but crazy world

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Eleven and a half thousand for Russia, they have come very close to knocking the UK off the podium. The UK’s only chance now is a big second wave to catch up with and knock Spain out of the top 3.

Interesting that the new UK slogan removes the red alarm stripes from the poster and replaces them with green, and removes the words “Stay home” with “Stay Alert”. People reading the new slogan and signs might not realise that the stay home lockdown order is not yet technically lifted. Confusing.

intentional

Yes. The change of colour from red to green must be a deliberate choice, and people know what it signifies.

But why? Why put out mixed messages? They haven’t really lifted the restrictions yet, the changes are minor and cautious. It’s like the people involved are either not talking to each other, or the government is trying to be misleading and deceptive. I can’t work out why the latter would be of any benefit.

They’re probably walking the same kind of road as all the other places that argue “the economy is more important than the lives, and we don’t need lives to run an economy”.

Global lockdown measures as a result of the coronavirus pandemic could lead to millions of people contracting tuberculosis (TB) over the coming years, according to a new study.

As many as 6.3 million people are expected to develop TB as cases go undiagnosed and untreated between now and 2025, a study published by Stop TB Partnership on Wednesday showed, with 1.4 million people predicted to die during this time.

It is expected to set back global efforts to fight TB by at least five years, and possibly up to eight years.

The World Health Organization has recognized TB as the world’s “top infectious killer,” given 10 million people fall ill with TB every year and 1.5 million people die annually from the disease.

“TB is an airborne infectious disease, so every single person with TB not diagnosed and treated infects many others — so we have a snowball effect,” Stop TB Partnership’s Ditiu warned.

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on the other hand, the (hoped for, not necessarily manifest) increase in infection control measures might decrease future future TB infections

Any of you wise people got an explanation for this one? We can’t think of an explanation off the top of our head.

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Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

—

Doesn’t necessarily match the findings in other countries, is this USAole exceptionalism again or what is going on?

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

intentional

Yes. The change of colour from red to green must be a deliberate choice, and people know what it signifies.

But why? Why put out mixed messages? They haven’t really lifted the restrictions yet, the changes are minor and cautious. It’s like the people involved are either not talking to each other, or the government is trying to be misleading and deceptive. I can’t work out why the latter would be of any benefit.

They’re probably walking the same kind of road as all the other places that argue “the economy is more important than the lives, and we don’t need lives to run an economy”.

They why not openly lift restrictions? It’s like they want people to break the rules.

SCIENCE said:

Any of you wise people got an explanation for this one? We can’t think of an explanation off the top of our head.

—

Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

—

Doesn’t necessarily match the findings in other countries, is this USAole exceptionalism again or what is going on?

I think maybe homes might be apartments with shared hallways and lifts and stairwells and front doors/lobby. Maybe there’s something in that.. largely staying at home is not always staying at home and deliveries probably add data?

SCIENCE said:

Any of you wise people got an explanation for this one? We can’t think of an explanation off the top of our head.

—

Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

—

Doesn’t necessarily match the findings in other countries, is this USAole exceptionalism again or what is going on?

I think testing has confirmed that roughly 30% of the NYC population has the virus. They probably caught it before lockdown is my best guess.

SCIENCE said:

Any of you wise people got an explanation for this one? We can’t think of an explanation off the top of our head.

—

Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

—

Doesn’t necessarily match the findings in other countries, is this USAole exceptionalism again or what is going on?

It must have been the rare contact they had in getting supplies – either going to the shops themselves, or getting things delivered. Low paid service industries which rely on casual staff who can’t afford to take time off.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Yes. The change of colour from red to green must be a deliberate choice, and people know what it signifies.

But why? Why put out mixed messages? They haven’t really lifted the restrictions yet, the changes are minor and cautious. It’s like the people involved are either not talking to each other, or the government is trying to be misleading and deceptive. I can’t work out why the latter would be of any benefit.

They’re probably walking the same kind of road as all the other places that argue “the economy is more important than the lives, and we don’t need lives to run an economy”.

They why not openly lift restrictions? It’s like they want people to break the rules.

Plausible deniability and shifting responsibility? “We never told you to go out and party, you should have known… not us.”

Perhaps ,workers who can work from home get a choice whether they want to stay home until open to returning to their original work . Parents that prefer to homeschool until they’re ready to send their kids back when the green light is granted. Parents happy to send kids when the green light with informed knowledge of risk?

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Any of you wise people got an explanation for this one? We can’t think of an explanation off the top of our head.

—

Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

—

Doesn’t necessarily match the findings in other countries, is this USAole exceptionalism again or what is going on?

I think maybe homes might be apartments with shared hallways and lifts and stairwells and front doors/lobby. Maybe there’s something in that.. largely staying at home is not always staying at home and deliveries probably add data?

I think testing has confirmed that roughly 30% of the NYC population has the virus. They probably caught it before lockdown is my best guess.

It must have been the rare contact they had in getting supplies – either going to the shops themselves, or getting things delivered. Low paid service industries which rely on casual staff who can’t afford to take time off.

So a combination of

• prolonged incubation, many likely caught it before going into hiding
• shared access areas, without adequate cleaning / sterilisation / PPE (we’re still using the keys to press the lift buttons, for example, definitely avoiding handrails and door handles too)
• delivery of “the goods”, possibly accidental contamination and also because the infection rate is so high especially among service industry staff who have to stay on
• occasional essential outings.
  thanks!

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/428dc86b-4d17-4130-ba06-41dbe1f50ba2/note/35156be7-4648-4dfd-a32e-f26a0211ffd2.#page=1

from HomeSec so probably not going to be used by the Administration

they have some other charts which we’ve seen here before

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

They’re probably walking the same kind of road as all the other places that argue “the economy is more important than the lives, and we don’t need lives to run an economy”.

They why not openly lift restrictions? It’s like they want people to break the rules.

Plausible deniability and shifting responsibility? “We never told you to go out and party, you should have known… not us.”

It seems to me that they have given up trying to control the spread of the virus because it will take too long. They’ve just gone “fuck it, too hard. Just let everybody get it and those that die will die”. But they can’t yet bring themselves to say this. It was their original plan in the beginning, with their herd immunity strategy.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think testing has confirmed that roughly 30% of the NYC population has the virus. They probably caught it before lockdown is my best guess.

It must have been the rare contact they had in getting supplies – either going to the shops themselves, or getting things delivered. Low paid service industries which rely on casual staff who can’t afford to take time off.

So a combination of

• prolonged incubation, many likely caught it before going into hiding
• shared access areas, without adequate cleaning / sterilisation / PPE (we’re still using the keys to press the lift buttons, for example, definitely avoiding handrails and door handles too)
• delivery of “the goods”, possibly accidental contamination and also because the infection rate is so high especially among service industry staff who have to stay on
• occasional essential outings.
  thanks!
  

I wouldn’t rule out patients simply lying about their activities too. Embarrassed to admit that they hadn’t been sheltering at home nearly as much as they now, newly infected, realize they should have been.

monkey skipper said:

Perhaps ,workers who can work from home get a choice whether they want to stay home until open to returning to their original work . Parents that prefer to homeschool until they’re ready to send their kids back when the green light is granted. Parents happy to send kids when the green light with informed knowledge of risk?

Mini Me, being in prep, started back today. I’m happy to send her to school: community transmission is very low. I feel more relaxed about it than I did a couple months ago.

Divine Angel said:

monkey skipper said:

Perhaps ,workers who can work from home get a choice whether they want to stay home until open to returning to their original work . Parents that prefer to homeschool until they’re ready to send their kids back when the green light is granted. Parents happy to send kids when the green light with informed knowledge of risk?

Mini Me, being in prep, started back today. I’m happy to send her to school: community transmission is very low. I feel more relaxed about it than I did a couple months ago.

Yeah. The social distancing will probably remain. Given the reduction in other childhood diseases like measles and whooping cough. The washing hands on arrival is a habit the kids should keep as well. New habits can be learned easily enough since it is a majority shift. It can give kids a better chance against those who refuse to vaccinate against preventable diseases without a medical reason (which some people do have in some cases)

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

They’re probably walking the same kind of road as all the other places that argue “the economy is more important than the lives, and we don’t need lives to run an economy”.

They why not openly lift restrictions? It’s like they want people to break the rules.

Plausible deniability and shifting responsibility? “We never told you to go out and party, you should have known… not us.”

Remember those newspapers a couple of days ago that were touting Monday as the day when things would get back to normal. “Hooray, Lockdown to End Monday!”, that kind of thing?

Those are the same newspapers that helped get Johnson elected. Those are the same newspapers he is depending on to help maintain his popularity as PM.

The UK government actions are being dictated to them by the owners of those newspapers rather than by sound scientific and medical advice.

https://www.theroot.com/we-calculated-how-much-we-pay-trump-to-play-golf-it-tu-1841793634

We Calculated How Much We Pay Trump to Play Golf. It Turns Out, He’s America’s 10th Highest Paid Athlete

Michael Harriot
2/19/20 3:12PM

dv said:

https://www.theroot.com/we-calculated-how-much-we-pay-trump-to-play-golf-it-tu-1841793634

We Calculated How Much We Pay Trump to Play Golf. It Turns Out, He’s America’s 10th Highest Paid Athlete

Michael Harriot
2/19/20 3:12PM

Find that hard to believe, there’s probably 10 NASCAR drivers alone that out earn him.

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2020, Premiere, CC, Live, Current Affairs
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esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

It must have been the rare contact they had in getting supplies – either going to the shops themselves, or getting things delivered. Low paid service industries which rely on casual staff who can’t afford to take time off.

So a combination of

• prolonged incubation, many likely caught it before going into hiding
• shared access areas, without adequate cleaning / sterilisation / PPE (we’re still using the keys to press the lift buttons, for example, definitely avoiding handrails and door handles too)
• delivery of “the goods”, possibly accidental contamination and also because the infection rate is so high especially among service industry staff who have to stay on
• occasional essential outings.
  thanks!
  

I wouldn’t rule out patients simply lying about their activities too. Embarrassed to admit that they hadn’t been sheltering at home nearly as much as they now, newly infected, realize they should have been.

True. How would we quantify this?

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

They why not openly lift restrictions? It’s like they want people to break the rules.

Plausible deniability and shifting responsibility? “We never told you to go out and party, you should have known… not us.”

It seems to me that they have given up trying to control the spread of the virus because it will take too long. They’ve just gone “fuck it, too hard. Just let everybody get it and those that die will die”. But they can’t yet bring themselves to say this. It was their original plan in the beginning, with their herd immunity strategy.

Unfortunately with no certainty that there is long-term (only medium-term) immunity to these things (conferatur “common cold”), and similarly no guarantee that the disease will become less virulent (conferatur variola), there is every chance that this will take even longer. And shut off the rest of the world that doesn’t want the same risks.

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

https://www.theroot.com/we-calculated-how-much-we-pay-trump-to-play-golf-it-tu-1841793634

We Calculated How Much We Pay Trump to Play Golf. It Turns Out, He’s America’s 10th Highest Paid Athlete

Michael Harriot
2/19/20 3:12PM

Find that hard to believe, there’s probably 10 NASCAR drivers alone that out earn him.

False. No Nascar drivers these days even get 10 million per year.

SCIENCE said:

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

So a combination of

• prolonged incubation, many likely caught it before going into hiding
• shared access areas, without adequate cleaning / sterilisation / PPE (we’re still using the keys to press the lift buttons, for example, definitely avoiding handrails and door handles too)
• delivery of “the goods”, possibly accidental contamination and also because the infection rate is so high especially among service industry staff who have to stay on
• occasional essential outings.
  thanks!
  

I wouldn’t rule out patients simply lying about their activities too. Embarrassed to admit that they hadn’t been sheltering at home nearly as much as they now, newly infected, realize they should have been.

True. How would we quantify this?

Trace their credit card activity.
Trace the location of mobile phone calls they have made in the last few weeks.
Question their friends, family, employers etc about their activities.
Educate them on the importance of being honest about where they have been and whom they have seen with regards to contact tracing and such, and ask them if they would like to change their story.
Compare their infection rates to similar control groups that are absolutely known to have been isolating and distancing correctly, if any such groups exist.

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

https://www.theroot.com/we-calculated-how-much-we-pay-trump-to-play-golf-it-tu-1841793634

We Calculated How Much We Pay Trump to Play Golf. It Turns Out, He’s America’s 10th Highest Paid Athlete

Michael Harriot
2/19/20 3:12PM

Find that hard to believe, there’s probably 10 NASCAR drivers alone that out earn him.

False. No Nascar drivers these days even get 10 million per year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

esselte said:

I wouldn’t rule out patients simply lying about their activities too. Embarrassed to admit that they hadn’t been sheltering at home nearly as much as they now, newly infected, realize they should have been.

True. How would we quantify this?

Trace their credit card activity.
Trace the location of mobile phone calls they have made in the last few weeks.
Question their friends, family, employers etc about their activities.
Educate them on the importance of being honest about where they have been and whom they have seen with regards to contact tracing and such, and ask them if they would like to change their story.
Compare their infection rates to similar control groups that are absolutely known to have been isolating and distancing correctly, if any such groups exist.

Sorry, we mean, how might we as interested scientists in a remote country, as opposed to a police state with access to all of the above, quantify this.
(Or barring the existence of, say, some kind of tracking software endorsed by the government.)
As in modelling, because then with the above information we could determine how [in]accurate our models may be.

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

Find that hard to believe, there’s probably 10 NASCAR drivers alone that out earn him.

False. No Nascar drivers these days even get 10 million per year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

False. No Nascar drivers these days even get 10 million per year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

but to make it a fair comparison, how much would it have cost for him to do anything else (on weighted average) instead with that time ¿

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

False. No Nascar drivers these days even get 10 million per year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

Obama liked the links too IIRC.

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

False. No Nascar drivers these days even get 10 million per year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

Those things aren’t the president’s pay, though they may be a governmental expense. Did the same sort of figures come out for Obama? Deranged syndrome is starting to morph till you can’t tell the side.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

Obama liked the links too IIRC.

why can’t they have a president that does some serious sport, like pro-wrestling or shot put or fortnite

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

Obama liked the links too IIRC.

how accurate this is gawd nose

https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-Obama-spend-on-golf-during-his-presidency

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

but to make it a fair comparison, how much would it have cost for him to do anything else (on weighted average) instead with that time ¿

About 50 million dollars per year less. If he just stayed in the white house, or golfed an ordinary amount for presidents, it would mean he is remunerated 50 million dollars per year less

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

False. No Nascar drivers these days even get 10 million per year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

Not really a fair comparison. he is not personally being given the money to play golf. It costs so much because for some reason they think it would be a bad thing if someone were to shoot him while he was out and about.

party_pants said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

Not really a fair comparison. he is not personally being given the money to play golf. It costs so much because for some reason they think it would be a bad thing if someone were to shoot him while he was out and about.

He is the proprietor of the properties being paid. There’s no functional difference.

How’d harry marry availablt Salt.

SCIENCE said:

we feel like it should concern us a bit …

aside from the plain idiocy of it, the secondary effect of reinforcing how “cool” it is to be shithouse at mathematics, engineering, technology, SCIENCE

What is this?

dv said:

They’ll be even fuckeder when NHS staff stop turning up to work because it is not safe.

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

we feel like it should concern us a bit …

aside from the plain idiocy of it, the secondary effect of reinforcing how “cool” it is to be shithouse at mathematics, engineering, technology, SCIENCE

What is this?

This is the graphic that BoJo the Clown used in his pre-recorded speech announcing an easing of restrictions. The alert level is supposed to be a number between 1 and 5.

party_pants said:

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

we feel like it should concern us a bit …

aside from the plain idiocy of it, the secondary effect of reinforcing how “cool” it is to be shithouse at mathematics, engineering, technology, SCIENCE

What is this?

This is the graphic that BoJo the Clown used in his pre-recorded speech announcing an easing of restrictions. The alert level is supposed to be a number between 1 and 5.

Number of cases = 219,183
R is estimated to be anywhere between 05 and 0.9 depending on whose calculations you rely on, so let’s say 0.7

I can’t see any way you can add, subtract, multiply or divide these numbers to give a number between 1 and 5.

party_pants said:

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

we feel like it should concern us a bit …

aside from the plain idiocy of it, the secondary effect of reinforcing how “cool” it is to be shithouse at mathematics, engineering, technology, SCIENCE

What is this?

This is the graphic that BoJo the Clown used in his pre-recorded speech announcing an easing of restrictions. The alert level is supposed to be a number between 1 and 5.

But how does it work? What is R? How does it translate in to a five stage alert system?

Naive reading:
for a low R value, say 0.5 + active cases, say 180,000 = current alert level 180,000.5.
for high R value, say, 1.8 + active cases, 180,000 = current alert level 180,001.8

esselte said:

party_pants said:

esselte said:

What is this?

This is the graphic that BoJo the Clown used in his pre-recorded speech announcing an easing of restrictions. The alert level is supposed to be a number between 1 and 5.

But how does it work? What is R? How does it translate in to a five stage alert system?

Naive reading:
for a low R value, say 0.5 + active cases, say 180,000 = current alert level 180,000.5.
for high R value, say, 1.8 + active cases, 180,000 = current alert level 180,001.8

Yes. It is complete nonsense dressed up a science. The government make up the alert level number based on political factors and pretend it is scientific.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#644210c74741

Thanks for the correction.

So, strictly for golf, Trump is 3 times better paid than any Nascar driver.

—
Since 2016, federal government departments have spent about $130 million for Trump to hit the links. That doesn’t include another $13.8 million incurred in local security costs that the federal government reimbursed to the city of Palm Beach through spring 2019. If you extrapolate those costs to today’s date, the total local and federal costs for Trump’s athletic endeavors total $152 million or roughly $50.6 million per year for Trump to play golf. In the three years since Trump became president, no billionaire team owner, no sports organization, no company has paid a human being more to play golf.

but to make it a fair comparison, how much would it have cost for him to do anything else (on weighted average) instead with that time ¿

This is a par-3 gag and you’ve fired it into the rough on the far side of a water hazard.

party_pants said:

esselte said:

party_pants said:

This is the graphic that BoJo the Clown used in his pre-recorded speech announcing an easing of restrictions. The alert level is supposed to be a number between 1 and 5.

Number of cases = 219,183
R is estimated to be anywhere between 05 and 0.9 depending on whose calculations you rely on, so let’s say 0.7

I can’t see any way you can add, subtract, multiply or divide these numbers to give a number between 1 and 5.

But how does it work? What is R? How does it translate in to a five stage alert system?

Naive reading:
for a low R value, say 0.5 + active cases, say 180,000 = current alert level 180,000.5.
for high R value, say, 1.8 + active cases, 180,000 = current alert level 180,001.8

Yes. It is complete nonsense dressed up a science. The government make up the alert level number based on political factors and pretend it is scientific.

indeed — but BJtC can somehow make it a number between 1 and 5, which makes him smarter than all of us

it just makes it all so much easier for them to continue their campaign of discrediting SCIENCE

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

esselte said:

But how does it work? What is R? How does it translate in to a five stage alert system?

Naive reading:
for a low R value, say 0.5 + active cases, say 180,000 = current alert level 180,000.5.
for high R value, say, 1.8 + active cases, 180,000 = current alert level 180,001.8

Yes. It is complete nonsense dressed up a science. The government make up the alert level number based on political factors and pretend it is scientific.

indeed — but BJtC can somehow make it a number between 1 and 5, which makes him smarter than all of us

it just makes it all so much easier for them to continue their campaign of discrediting SCIENCE

I think they already know they have failed and are now just giving up. But setting up for someone else to carry the blame.

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

esselte said:

What is this?

This is the graphic that BoJo the Clown used in his pre-recorded speech announcing an easing of restrictions. The alert level is supposed to be a number between 1 and 5.

Number of cases = 219,183
R is estimated to be anywhere between 05 and 0.9 depending on whose calculations you rely on, so let’s say 0.7

I can’t see any way you can add, subtract, multiply or divide these numbers to give a number between 1 and 5.

I doubt the reader is meant to do math from that, from that exactly, without some added work

you could juggle that mentioned, some math tricks, don’t ask me to do it though, too much alphabet with numbers tires me quickly, frightens me even, but i’m sure it’s possible, someone could make it generate something useful in the span of 0>5, anything under zero of course would be limited to zero, anything above five would be limited to five

dv said:

Britannia waives the rules!

transition said:

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

This is the graphic that BoJo the Clown used in his pre-recorded speech announcing an easing of restrictions. The alert level is supposed to be a number between 1 and 5.

Number of cases = 219,183
R is estimated to be anywhere between 05 and 0.9 depending on whose calculations you rely on, so let’s say 0.7

I can’t see any way you can add, subtract, multiply or divide these numbers to give a number between 1 and 5.

I doubt the reader is meant to do math from that, from that exactly, without some added work

you could juggle that mentioned, some math tricks, don’t ask me to do it though, too much alphabet with numbers tires me quickly, frightens me even, but i’m sure it’s possible, someone could make it generate something useful in the span of 0>5, anything under zero of course would be limited to zero, anything above five would be limited to five

If they have a formula, they should probably state the formula. If they have a set of criteria rather than an exact formula that takes into account both numbers, then they should publish those criteria. What they have published is nonsensical.

Also, it is hard to accept that either their cases number or the R figures are accurate.

esselte said:

dv said:

Britannia waives the rules!

polite applause

party_pants said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

Number of cases = 219,183
R is estimated to be anywhere between 05 and 0.9 depending on whose calculations you rely on, so let’s say 0.7

I can’t see any way you can add, subtract, multiply or divide these numbers to give a number between 1 and 5.

I doubt the reader is meant to do math from that, from that exactly, without some added work

you could juggle that mentioned, some math tricks, don’t ask me to do it though, too much alphabet with numbers tires me quickly, frightens me even, but i’m sure it’s possible, someone could make it generate something useful in the span of 0>5, anything under zero of course would be limited to zero, anything above five would be limited to five

If they have a formula, they should probably state the formula. If they have a set of criteria rather than an exact formula that takes into account both numbers, then they should publish those criteria. What they have published is nonsensical.

Also, it is hard to accept that either their cases number or the R figures are accurate.

yeah, not everyone is a math savant, I could’ve been but you know a clothesline sprinted toward me and headbutted me when very young, well, that’s what my phrenologist reckons

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Russia’s curve needs work.

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

The UK have just released their second wave strategy.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

The UK have just released their second wave strategy.

It’s looking pretty cynical.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

The UK have just released their second wave strategy.

It’s looking pretty cynical.

You gotta just sit back and laugh at them. It is so unreal what the elected leaders in the USA and the UK are doing to their countries it would make you so very angry if you continued to try and take them seriously. They are risible. A laughing stock. There’s not any great schadenfreude involved, just a letting go so one doesn’t get too angry over it.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

The UK have just released their second wave strategy.

It’s looking pretty cynical.

You gotta just sit back and laugh at them. It is so unreal what the elected leaders in the USA and the UK are doing to their countries it would make you so very angry if you continued to try and take them seriously. They are risible. A laughing stock. There’s not any great schadenfreude involved, just a letting go so one doesn’t get too angry over it.

True enough. Helpless anger on that sort of scale siphons itself off into laughter and avoidance.

I just turn away from a lot of the news these days.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s looking pretty cynical.

You gotta just sit back and laugh at them. It is so unreal what the elected leaders in the USA and the UK are doing to their countries it would make you so very angry if you continued to try and take them seriously. They are risible. A laughing stock. There’s not any great schadenfreude involved, just a letting go so one doesn’t get too angry over it.

True enough. Helpless anger on that sort of scale siphons itself off into laughter and avoidance.

I just turn away from a lot of the news these days.

It’s pretty depressing.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s looking pretty cynical.

You gotta just sit back and laugh at them. It is so unreal what the elected leaders in the USA and the UK are doing to their countries it would make you so very angry if you continued to try and take them seriously. They are risible. A laughing stock. There’s not any great schadenfreude involved, just a letting go so one doesn’t get too angry over it.

True enough. Helpless anger on that sort of scale siphons itself off into laughter and avoidance.

I just turn away from a lot of the news these days.

we kind of had that with the fires, useless “leadership”, and people losing everything but they had to laugh because what else could they do (apparently)

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Russia’s curve needs work.

Needs shirtless Putin on horse in river fighting bear.

“COVID toes”
—-

Oh no.

>>>What Doctors Are Learning From Autopsy Findings of Coronavirus (COVID-19) Patients #coronavirus #covid19 #covid_19

Coronavirus | COVID-19 YouTube Video Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list…

Once the SARS-CoV-2 virus is deeply embedded in the body, it begins to cause more severe disease. This is where the direct attack on other organs that have ACE2 receptors can occur, including heart muscle, kidneys, blood vessels, liver, and the brain. Early findings, including those from multiple autopsy and biopsy reports, show that viral particles can be found not only in the nasal passages and throat, but also in tears, stool, kidneys, liver, pancreas, and heart. One case report found evidence of viral particles in the CSF, meaning the fluid around the brain. That patient had meningitis.

So the virus is sometimes going to all these different organs by means of attaching to the ACE2 receptors that are there, but that’s not even the whole story.

Because in some cases, by the time the body’s immune system figures out the body are being invaded, it’s like unleashing the military to stomp out the virus, and in that process, there’s a ton of collateral damage. This is what we refer to as the cytokine storm. When the virus gets into the alveolar cells, meaning the tiny little air sacs within the lungs, it makes a ton of copies of itself and goes onto invading more cells. The alveoli’s next-door neighbor is guessed who, yeah, the tiniest blood vessels in our body, capillaries. And the lining of those capillaries is called the endothelium, which also has ACE2 receptors. And once the virus invades the capillaries. It means that it serves as the trigger for the onslaught of inflammation AND clotting. And Early autopsy results are also showing widely scattered clots in multiple organs. In one study from the Netherlands, 1/3rd of hospitalized with COVID-19 got clots despite already being on prophylactic doses of blood thinners. So not only are you getting the inflammation with the cytokine storm, but you’re also forming blood clots, that can travel to other parts of the body, and cause major blockages, effectively damaging those organs.

So wait a minute doc, you’re telling me that this can cause organ damage by
1) Directly attacking organs by their ACE2 receptor? Yup
2) Indirectly attacking organs by way of collateral damage from the cytokine storm? Yup
3) Indirectly cause damage to organs by means of blood clots? yup
4) Indirectly cause damage as a result of low oxygen levels, improper ventilator settings, drug treatments themselves, and/or all of these things combined? Yeah

Endothelial cells are more vulnerable to dying in people with preexisting endothelial dysfunction, which is more often associated with being a male, being a smoker, having high blood pressure, diabetes, and obesity. Blood clots can form and/or travel to other parts of the body. When blood clots travel to the toes, and cause blockages in blood flow there, meaning ischemia or infarction, that can cause gangrene there. And lots of times patients with gangrene require amputation, and “COVID toes”

So is antiphospholipid antibody syndrome (APS), the cause of all these blood clots in patients with severe COVID? Maybe. Some patients with APS have what’s called catastrophic APS, where these patients can have strokes, seizures, heart attacks, kidney failure, ARDS, skin changes like the ones I mentioned. Viral infectious diseases, particularly those of the respiratory tract, have been reported as being the triggers for CAPS.

Various factors increase the risk of developing arterial thrombosis. Classically, the cardiovascular-dependent risk factors implicated in clotting have been hypertension, meaning high blood pressure, high levels of cholesterol, smoking, diabetes, age, chemotherapy, and degree of infection. All of these contribute toward developing arterial thrombosis.

A lot of patients with severe COVID-19 have certain labs that resemble DIC, such as increased PT/INR, increased PTT, decreased levels of platelets. But the reason why these COVID patients who developed clots in the study I mentioned earlier, the reason why they don’t have DIC, is actually 2 reasons, one, they weren’t having extensive bleeding, and two, they did not have low fibrinogen levels. And if its truly DIC, you would have both of those things.

Anyway, you can probably glean from this video why it’s so hard for doctors to figure out what is going on with this virus. Between the variable ways this disease can present in different patients, and the different ways that organs can suffer damage, yeah, this is really, really really, complicated.

Are BLOOD CLOTS the reason why COVID19 patients are dying?
Video Link – https://youtu.be/qoJ4VDaGSfY

Dr. Mike Hansen, MD
Internal Medicine | Pulmonary Disease | Critical Care Medicine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKvIYwqQkE

I didn’t watch the video.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

The UK have just released their second wave strategy.

Are there pondering the third wave with an exit strategy, that could take some time. I hope they give that some thought especially if if needs voting on, they might like to think about “deep cleaning” too.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

As I said before. Russia has the Australian strain of the virus. Of places I’ve looked at, only Russia and Australia and Ruby Princess have it as the dominant strain. That’s not why the figures are unreliable.

Those countries with a large and effective secret police force have the most reliable data. Other countries neither know nor care what their citizens are doing.

The most accurate method to estimate the total death toll is:

Total death toll = sum over countries (number of cases * mortality rate / completeness of number of cases) * correction factor

We can used the Chinese correction factor of 4632/3342 = 1.385. This accounts for deaths that never got tested. It may be a year, or much longer, before the most important countries publish their own correction factor.

That’s more accurate than counting deaths because the number of deaths lags the number of cases by from 4 to 12 days.

Ah, what the heck, let’s do it.

Final world Covid-19 death toll will be 0.95 million.
But the official figures will only say 0.7 million.
The remaining 0.35 million will be people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

Snapshot of working spreadsheet.

Elon Musk reopens California Tesla factory in defiance of lockdown order

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/11/tesla-factory-reopening-elon-musk-california-lockdown

Lovely, lovely bloke.

sibeen said:

Elon Musk reopens California Tesla factory in defiance of lockdown order

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/11/tesla-factory-reopening-elon-musk-california-lockdown

Lovely, lovely bloke.

I think he inhaled, a lot.

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

Divine Angel said:

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

Jaysus, surely he has to be mentally ill.

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

Jaysus, surely he has to be mentally ill.

He clearly forgot to disinfect his tin foil hat and THEY are getting to his brain.

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

UK back into third on number of cases. Those damn peskie Russians will overtake them for good on the morrow unless they can really pull out all stops.

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

As I said before. Russia has the Australian strain of the virus. Of places I’ve looked at, only Russia and Australia and Ruby Princess have it as the dominant strain. That’s not why the figures are unreliable.

Those countries with a large and effective secret police force have the most reliable data. Other countries neither know nor care what their citizens are doing.

The most accurate method to estimate the total death toll is:

Total death toll = sum over countries (number of cases * mortality rate / completeness of number of cases) * correction factor

We can used the Chinese correction factor of 4632/3342 = 1.385. This accounts for deaths that never got tested. It may be a year, or much longer, before the most important countries publish their own correction factor.

That’s more accurate than counting deaths because the number of deaths lags the number of cases by from 4 to 12 days.

Ah, what the heck, let’s do it.

Final world Covid-19 death toll will be 0.95 million.
But the official figures will only say 0.7 million.
The remaining 0.35 million will be people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

Snapshot of working spreadsheet.

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

As I said before. Russia has the Australian strain of the virus. Of places I’ve looked at, only Russia and Australia and Ruby Princess have it as the dominant strain. That’s not why the figures are unreliable.

Those countries with a large and effective secret police force have the most reliable data. Other countries neither know nor care what their citizens are doing.

The most accurate method to estimate the total death toll is:

Total death toll = sum over countries (number of cases * mortality rate / completeness of number of cases) * correction factor

We can used the Chinese correction factor of 4632/3342 = 1.385. This accounts for deaths that never got tested. It may be a year, or much longer, before the most important countries publish their own correction factor.

That’s more accurate than counting deaths because the number of deaths lags the number of cases by from 4 to 12 days.

Ah, what the heck, let’s do it.

Final world Covid-19 death toll will be 0.95 million.
But the official figures will only say 0.7 million.
The remaining 0.35 million will be people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

Snapshot of working spreadsheet.

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

What, the death toll in Oz?

mollwollfumble said:

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

I didn’t.

That was my deliberate mistake.

captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

I didn’t.

That was my deliberate mistake.

No one here ever makes mistakes.

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

As I said before. Russia has the Australian strain of the virus. Of places I’ve looked at, only Russia and Australia and Ruby Princess have it as the dominant strain. That’s not why the figures are unreliable.

Those countries with a large and effective secret police force have the most reliable data. Other countries neither know nor care what their citizens are doing.

The most accurate method to estimate the total death toll is:

Total death toll = sum over countries (number of cases * mortality rate / completeness of number of cases) * correction factor

We can used the Chinese correction factor of 4632/3342 = 1.385. This accounts for deaths that never got tested. It may be a year, or much longer, before the most important countries publish their own correction factor.

That’s more accurate than counting deaths because the number of deaths lags the number of cases by from 4 to 12 days.

Ah, what the heck, let’s do it.

Final world Covid-19 death toll will be 0.95 million.
But the official figures will only say 0.7 million.
The remaining 0.35 million will be people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

Snapshot of working spreadsheet.

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

What, the death toll in Oz?

No. That hardly matters here.

> Final world Covid-19 death toll will be 0.95 million.
> But the official figures will only say 0.7 million.
> The remaining 0.35 million will be people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

0.95 – 0.7 = 0.25
Should be 250,000 people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

Divine Angel said:

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

Is he a self-made looney, or is he parroting the woo-beliefs of some significant other in his life, like some NRL players?

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

I mean, I read it, but I don’t really get it, in that he’s just writing nonsense (unless that’s what we should get). and anyway, I thought we stopped paying attention to him after the Magic Pill Doco and before the covid curing light thing?

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

Huge mismatch between Russia and UK (and everyone else) on number of deaths. If that doesn’t realign in coming days it will presumably reinforce how unreliable these figures are.

As I said before. Russia has the Australian strain of the virus. Of places I’ve looked at, only Russia and Australia and Ruby Princess have it as the dominant strain. That’s not why the figures are unreliable.

Those countries with a large and effective secret police force have the most reliable data. Other countries neither know nor care what their citizens are doing.

The most accurate method to estimate the total death toll is:

Total death toll = sum over countries (number of cases * mortality rate / completeness of number of cases) * correction factor

We can used the Chinese correction factor of 4632/3342 = 1.385. This accounts for deaths that never got tested. It may be a year, or much longer, before the most important countries publish their own correction factor.

That’s more accurate than counting deaths because the number of deaths lags the number of cases by from 4 to 12 days.

Ah, what the heck, let’s do it.

Final world Covid-19 death toll will be 0.95 million.
But the official figures will only say 0.7 million.
The remaining 0.35 million will be people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

Snapshot of working spreadsheet.

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

Were awaiting your amendment.

Arts said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

I mean, I read it, but I don’t really get it, in that he’s just writing nonsense (unless that’s what we should get). and anyway, I thought we stopped paying attention to him after the Magic Pill Doco and before the covid curing light thing?

He’s drumming up publicity for his new doco, a sequel to Magic Pill. This one’s about cannabis. I think it’s about medicinal marijuana?

And he’s a giant tool.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Ladies and gentleman: Celebrity wanker chef Pete Evans presents today’s WTF moment.

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

Is he a self-made looney, or is he parroting the woo-beliefs of some significant other in his life, like some NRL players?

I think he’s a self made looney. He started out peddling the benefits of paleo, like curing autism and preventing cancer. Now he’s just a… I don’t even know how to describe him other than a raving lunatic.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Michael V said:

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

I mean, I read it, but I don’t really get it, in that he’s just writing nonsense (unless that’s what we should get). and anyway, I thought we stopped paying attention to him after the Magic Pill Doco and before the covid curing light thing?

He’s drumming up publicity for his new doco, a sequel to Magic Pill. This one’s about cannabis. I think it’s about medicinal marijuana?

And he’s a giant tool.

What can he do to make mary jane more medical?

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

Is he a self-made looney, or is he parroting the woo-beliefs of some significant other in his life, like some NRL players?

I think he’s a self made looney. He started out peddling the benefits of paleo, like curing autism and preventing cancer. Now he’s just a… I don’t even know how to describe him other than a raving lunatic.

Gotta be a loonie to be a celebrity.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

Is he a self-made looney, or is he parroting the woo-beliefs of some significant other in his life, like some NRL players?

I think he’s a self made looney. He started out peddling the benefits of paleo, like curing autism and preventing cancer. Now he’s just a… I don’t even know how to describe him other than a raving lunatic.

most of the people that I know that are anti vax, paleo/vegan/whatever are raving lunatics who are also conspiracy theorists… I think that not vaccinating or eating meat does terrible things to a thought process.. maybe starves the logic part of the brain.. there might be a study in that.

It’s unfortunate that he’s belittled his brand by posting rubbish like this. You want to be taken seriously, stick to your brand. His brand is being a chef, not a flamin’ nutcase douche canoe.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Is he a self-made looney, or is he parroting the woo-beliefs of some significant other in his life, like some NRL players?

I think he’s a self made looney. He started out peddling the benefits of paleo, like curing autism and preventing cancer. Now he’s just a… I don’t even know how to describe him other than a raving lunatic.

most of the people that I know that are anti vax, paleo/vegan/whatever are raving lunatics who are also conspiracy theorists… I think that not vaccinating or eating meat does terrible things to a thought process.. maybe starves the logic part of the brain.. there might be a study in that.

I’m emptying the fridge/cupboards prior to going to Cairns.
Cooked a nice meal last night & was horrified to realise that it was vegan.

Divine Angel said:

It’s unfortunate that he’s belittled his brand by posting rubbish like this. You want to be taken seriously, stick to your brand. His brand is being a chef, not a flamin’ nutcase douche canoe.

There is probably more money in conspiracy books than there is in cook books…

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

It’s unfortunate that he’s belittled his brand by posting rubbish like this. You want to be taken seriously, stick to your brand. His brand is being a chef, not a flamin’ nutcase douche canoe.

There is probably more money in conspiracy books than there is in cook books…

Cookbooks are not so much about content as about timing, people have been cooped up at home, they want to get out, out into the wild with the sun on their back and the wind on their cheeks.
Now is the time to release a cook book “How to Cook a Raccoon”

Peak Warming Man said:

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

It’s unfortunate that he’s belittled his brand by posting rubbish like this. You want to be taken seriously, stick to your brand. His brand is being a chef, not a flamin’ nutcase douche canoe.

There is probably more money in conspiracy books than there is in cook books…

Cookbooks are not so much about content as about timing, people have been cooped up at home, they want to get out, out into the wild with the sun on their back and the wind on their cheeks.
Now is the time to release a cook book “How to Cook a Raccoon”

Item 1) Move to America.

mollwollfumble said:

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

What, the death toll in Oz?

No. That hardly matters here.

> Final world Covid-19 death toll will be 0.95 million.
> But the official figures will only say 0.7 million.
> The remaining 0.35 million will be people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

0.95 – 0.7 = 0.25
Should be 250,000 people who died from Covid-19 without ever being diagnosed with it.

Hard to tell the deliberate mistakes from the absolute bull-shit you usually post.

Peak Warming Man said:

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

It’s unfortunate that he’s belittled his brand by posting rubbish like this. You want to be taken seriously, stick to your brand. His brand is being a chef, not a flamin’ nutcase douche canoe.

There is probably more money in conspiracy books than there is in cook books…

Cookbooks are not so much about content as about timing, people have been cooped up at home, they want to get out, out into the wild with the sun on their back and the wind on their cheeks.
Now is the time to release a cook book “How to Cook a Raccoon”

They all want to be lumberjacks. Mr Man! Leaping from tree to tree, as they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia. The Giant Redwood. The Larch. The Fir! The mighty Scots Pine! The lofty flowering Cherry! The plucky little Apsen! The limping Roo tree of Nigeria. The towering Wattle of Aldershot! The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant! The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak! The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip! The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni! The Epigillus! The Barter Hughius Greenus!

With their best buddy by their side, They’ll sing! Sing! Sing!

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

furious said:

There is probably more money in conspiracy books than there is in cook books…

Cookbooks are not so much about content as about timing, people have been cooped up at home, they want to get out, out into the wild with the sun on their back and the wind on their cheeks.
Now is the time to release a cook book “How to Cook a Raccoon”

They all want to be lumberjacks. Mr Man! Leaping from tree to tree, as they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia. The Giant Redwood. The Larch. The Fir! The mighty Scots Pine! The lofty flowering Cherry! The plucky little Apsen! The limping Roo tree of Nigeria. The towering Wattle of Aldershot! The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant! The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak! The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip! The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni! The Epigillus! The Barter Hughius Greenus!

With their best buddy by their side, They’ll sing! Sing! Sing!

Dear oh dear, and the sun’s only just gone over the yardarm.

Peak Warming Man said:

furious said:

Now is the time to release a cook book “How to Cook a Raccoon”

Not a good time for ‘How to Cook an Armadillo’?

Although, if such a book had been available earlier, we might not be where we are now.

>>The plucky little Apsen

You probably mean Aspen.
Apsen is something you mix in cocktails I think.

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

furious said:

There is probably more money in conspiracy books than there is in cook books…

Cookbooks are not so much about content as about timing, people have been cooped up at home, they want to get out, out into the wild with the sun on their back and the wind on their cheeks.
Now is the time to release a cook book “How to Cook a Raccoon”

They all want to be lumberjacks. Mr Man! Leaping from tree to tree, as they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia. The Giant Redwood. The Larch. The Fir! The mighty Scots Pine! The lofty flowering Cherry! The plucky little Apsen! The limping Roo tree of Nigeria. The towering Wattle of Aldershot! The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant! The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak! The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip! The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni! The Epigillus! The Barter Hughius Greenus!

With their best buddy by their side, They’ll sing! Sing! Sing!

My mother grew up in Ruislip.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

eyes pop, brain explodes

What a tool.

Is he a self-made looney, or is he parroting the woo-beliefs of some significant other in his life, like some NRL players?

I think he’s a self made looney. He started out peddling the benefits of paleo, like curing autism and preventing cancer. Now he’s just a… I don’t even know how to describe him other than a raving lunatic.

but is he from the inner city

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

None of you noted my deliberate mistake :-(

I didn’t.

That was my deliberate mistake.

No one here ever makes mistakes.

your wrong

Pray for Bryan

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

I didn’t.

That was my deliberate mistake.

No one here ever makes mistakes.

your wrong

Shouldn’t you have said “You’re mistaken?

Have to admit though I first heard of Bear because of the use of Double Rainbow in Axis of Awesome’s Four Chords (in which they play snippets of 60 songs to illustrate that they all use the same chord sequence).

dv said:

Pray for Bryan

sending T & P now….

dv said:

Pray for Bryan

Pass.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Pray for Bryan

sending T & P now….

speaking of celebrity and nationalist conspiracy theory

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Is he a self-made looney, or is he parroting the woo-beliefs of some significant other in his life, like some NRL players?

I think he’s a self made looney. He started out peddling the benefits of paleo, like curing autism and preventing cancer. Now he’s just a… I don’t even know how to describe him other than a raving lunatic.

most of the people that I know that are anti vax, paleo/vegan/whatever are raving lunatics who are also conspiracy theorists… I think that not vaccinating or eating meat does terrible things to a thought process.. maybe starves the logic part of the brain.. there might be a study in that.

Ha ha ha.
It is a bit like some people go loony after drinking alcohol.

dv said:

The Germans would have though they’d gone the wrong way, and were over Switzerland?

dv said:

Interesting philosophical question, does the “blitz spirit” still exist in England?
Any more than loyalty to the King and the British Empire still exists in Australia.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Interesting philosophical question, does the “blitz spirit” still exist in England?
Any more than loyalty to the King and the British Empire still exists in Australia.

Modern conservatives is antithetical to community spirit.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Interesting philosophical question, does the “blitz spirit” still exist in England?
Any more than loyalty to the King and the British Empire still exists in Australia.

Modern conservatism is antithetical to community spirit.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Interesting philosophical question, does the “blitz spirit” still exist in England?
Any more than loyalty to the King and the British Empire still exists in Australia.

Modern conservatism is antithetical to community spirit.

In some ways it is. The emphasis is on the nuclear family as the primary social unit, and the economy and society are built around that. I have been giving much thought recently to wondering if there is an alternative social unit Not quite the Soviet collective farms, but something a bit in between.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Interesting philosophical question, does the “blitz spirit” still exist in England?
Any more than loyalty to the King and the British Empire still exists in Australia.

I think it does. With Brexit there is still a sense of national purpose regardless of how silly it is. Few nations could attempt national renewal that might in fact end a long-standing political union with as much self purpose as the British with the guiding principle to respect the democratic process. Look at the Spanish for example.

China does not include asymptomatic cases in its overall tally of confirmed cases, now at 82,918, until they exhibit signs of infection. Mainland China has reported 4633 deaths.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-s-wuhan-reports-first-coronavirus-cluster-since-lockdown-lifted-20200512-p54rzj.html

…

Seems silly.

Witty Rejoinder said:

China does not include asymptomatic cases in its overall tally of confirmed cases, now at 82,918, until they exhibit signs of infection. Mainland China has reported 4633 deaths.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-s-wuhan-reports-first-coronavirus-cluster-since-lockdown-lifted-20200512-p54rzj.html

…

Seems silly.

They mention nucleic acid tests – those are the ones for antibodies, I think. So if you were positive on that, you would be displaying signs of infection. It’s a bit confusing. The piece is unclear on exactly what is meant. Perhaps they understand a positive swab (which looks for actual viruses) to indicate there is virus in/on your body (nasal passages, throat), but don’t accept you are infected until your body starts producing anti-bodies. Maybe some bodies just wash out or don’t get sufficient viral load to actually be infected. Like there is always going to be staph and stuff on your skin, but not always at sufficient levels to be an infection.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

China does not include asymptomatic cases in its overall tally of confirmed cases, now at 82,918, until they exhibit signs of infection. Mainland China has reported 4633 deaths.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-s-wuhan-reports-first-coronavirus-cluster-since-lockdown-lifted-20200512-p54rzj.html

…

Seems silly.

They mention nucleic acid tests – those are the ones for antibodies, I think. So if you were positive on that, you would be displaying signs of infection. It’s a bit confusing. The piece is unclear on exactly what is meant. Perhaps they understand a positive swab (which looks for actual viruses) to indicate there is virus in/on your body (nasal passages, throat), but don’t accept you are infected until your body starts producing anti-bodies. Maybe some bodies just wash out or don’t get sufficient viral load to actually be infected. Like there is always going to be staph and stuff on your skin, but not always at sufficient levels to be an infection.

I think you can have a significant viral load and still be asymptomatic.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

China does not include asymptomatic cases in its overall tally of confirmed cases, now at 82,918, until they exhibit signs of infection. Mainland China has reported 4633 deaths.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-s-wuhan-reports-first-coronavirus-cluster-since-lockdown-lifted-20200512-p54rzj.html

…

Seems silly.

They mention nucleic acid tests – those are the ones for antibodies, I think. So if you were positive on that, you would be displaying signs of infection. It’s a bit confusing. The piece is unclear on exactly what is meant. Perhaps they understand a positive swab (which looks for actual viruses) to indicate there is virus in/on your body (nasal passages, throat), but don’t accept you are infected until your body starts producing anti-bodies. Maybe some bodies just wash out or don’t get sufficient viral load to actually be infected. Like there is always going to be staph and stuff on your skin, but not always at sufficient levels to be an infection.

I think you can have a significant viral load and still be asymptomatic.

I have wondered if it needs to get to your lungs to make you symptomatic. If it is just in the upper respiratory tract perhaps they are the asymptomatic ones. Can still shed, but possibly not as much. There is insufficient information. I don’t know how this goes with other viruses. Colds seem to be “classified” as head or chest. ‘Flu seems to do both + muscles. I know the sequence my body does with a cold but I don’t know if it’s the same for other people.

Josh Fry got da cona.

Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg tested for coronavirus after coughing fit
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-12/treasurer-josh-frydenberg-tested-for-coronavirus-after-coughing/12239704
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ooo. errrr.

And he isn’t even coughing politely.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

China does not include asymptomatic cases in its overall tally of confirmed cases, now at 82,918, until they exhibit signs of infection. Mainland China has reported 4633 deaths.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-s-wuhan-reports-first-coronavirus-cluster-since-lockdown-lifted-20200512-p54rzj.html

…

Seems silly.

They mention nucleic acid tests – those are the ones for antibodies, I think. So if you were positive on that, you would be displaying signs of infection. It’s a bit confusing. The piece is unclear on exactly what is meant. Perhaps they understand a positive swab (which looks for actual viruses) to indicate there is virus in/on your body (nasal passages, throat), but don’t accept you are infected until your body starts producing anti-bodies. Maybe some bodies just wash out or don’t get sufficient viral load to actually be infected. Like there is always going to be staph and stuff on your skin, but not always at sufficient levels to be an infection.

Nucleic acid tests are testing for presence of virus RNA, not antibodies.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

They mention nucleic acid tests – those are the ones for antibodies, I think. So if you were positive on that, you would be displaying signs of infection. It’s a bit confusing. The piece is unclear on exactly what is meant. Perhaps they understand a positive swab (which looks for actual viruses) to indicate there is virus in/on your body (nasal passages, throat), but don’t accept you are infected until your body starts producing anti-bodies. Maybe some bodies just wash out or don’t get sufficient viral load to actually be infected. Like there is always going to be staph and stuff on your skin, but not always at sufficient levels to be an infection.

I think you can have a significant viral load and still be asymptomatic.

I have wondered if it needs to get to your lungs to make you symptomatic. If it is just in the upper respiratory tract perhaps they are the asymptomatic ones. Can still shed, but possibly not as much. There is insufficient information. I don’t know how this goes with other viruses. Colds seem to be “classified” as head or chest. ‘Flu seems to do both + muscles. I know the sequence my body does with a cold but I don’t know if it’s the same for other people.

Similar to flu, upto 20-30% of people show no symptoms even though they have detectable viral RNA.

Witty Rejoinder said:

China does not include asymptomatic cases in its overall tally of confirmed cases, now at 82,918, until they exhibit signs of infection. Mainland China has reported 4633 deaths.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-s-wuhan-reports-first-coronavirus-cluster-since-lockdown-lifted-20200512-p54rzj.html

…

Seems silly.

maybe something got lost in translation

also, apparently they’re hiding Trump up near the Russia border

A 70-year-old in Heilongjiang’s capital Harbin had tested negative seven times before results showed as positive.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

China does not include asymptomatic cases in its overall tally of confirmed cases, now at 82,918, until they exhibit signs of infection. Mainland China has reported 4633 deaths.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-s-wuhan-reports-first-coronavirus-cluster-since-lockdown-lifted-20200512-p54rzj.html

…

Seems silly.

They mention nucleic acid tests – those are the ones for antibodies, I think. So if you were positive on that, you would be displaying signs of infection. It’s a bit confusing. The piece is unclear on exactly what is meant. Perhaps they understand a positive swab (which looks for actual viruses) to indicate there is virus in/on your body (nasal passages, throat), but don’t accept you are infected until your body starts producing anti-bodies. Maybe some bodies just wash out or don’t get sufficient viral load to actually be infected. Like there is always going to be staph and stuff on your skin, but not always at sufficient levels to be an infection.

Nucleic acid tests are testing for presence of virus RNA, not antibodies.

Oh, thanks. I wasn’t sure I had that right. I had it wrong… So yet another testing method.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307

UK Government announces that all arriving international passengers will have to do 14 days in quarantine. Except for people coming from France or Ireland.

I find it astonishing that they’re only doing this now, after they’ve already become the one of the worst affected countries in Europe. It means that for the last 2 months people have just been strolling into the country without checks.

they are only doing this now…?

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307

UK Government announces that all arriving international passengers will have to do 14 days in quarantine. Except for people coming from France or Ireland.

I find it astonishing that they’re only doing this now, after they’ve already become the one of the worst affected countries in Europe. It means that for the last 2 months people have just been strolling into the country without checks.

they are only doing this now…?

Slow down, poindexter. Is there any evidence that people can bring this virus in by plane?

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307

UK Government announces that all arriving international passengers will have to do 14 days in quarantine. Except for people coming from France or Ireland.

I find it astonishing that they’re only doing this now, after they’ve already become the one of the worst affected countries in Europe. It means that for the last 2 months people have just been strolling into the country without checks.

they are only doing this now…?

Asleep at the wheel

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307

UK Government announces that all arriving international passengers will have to do 14 days in quarantine. Except for people coming from France or Ireland.

I find it astonishing that they’re only doing this now, after they’ve already become the one of the worst affected countries in Europe. It means that for the last 2 months people have just been strolling into the country without checks.

they are only doing this now…?

Slow down, poindexter. Is there any evidence that people can bring this virus in by plane?

carry on…

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307

UK Government announces that all arriving international passengers will have to do 14 days in quarantine. Except for people coming from France or Ireland.

I find it astonishing that they’re only doing this now, after they’ve already become the one of the worst affected countries in Europe. It means that for the last 2 months people have just been strolling into the country without checks.

they are only doing this now…?

Slow down, poindexter. Is there any evidence that people can bring this virus in by plane?

They also have lots of trains and ferries.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307

UK Government announces that all arriving international passengers will have to do 14 days in quarantine. Except for people coming from France or Ireland.

I find it astonishing that they’re only doing this now, after they’ve already become the one of the worst affected countries in Europe. It means that for the last 2 months people have just been strolling into the country without checks.

they are only doing this now…?

Slow down, poindexter. Is there any evidence that people can bring this virus in by plane?

carry on…

Look, even if there was a slight chance at least they’ve chosen countries that can come in who have hardly have a case.

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Slow down, poindexter. Is there any evidence that people can bring this virus in by plane?

carry on…

Look, even if there was a slight chance at least they’ve chosen countries that can come in who have hardly have a case.

and if they do it has to fit the overhead locker.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

carry on…

Look, even if there was a slight chance at least they’ve chosen countries that can come in who have hardly have a case.

and if they do it has to fit the overhead locker.

And you have to realise, and this is a very strong point, that many of the people who are currently testing positive for the virus actually tested negative only last week.

Let that sink in.

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Look, even if there was a slight chance at least they’ve chosen countries that can come in who have hardly have a case.

and if they do it has to fit the overhead locker.

And you have to realise, and this is a very strong point, that many of the people who are currently testing positive for the virus actually tested negative only last week.

Let that sink in.

well, the tests aren’t very good then.

Had a discussion with big sister about coronavirus yesterday.

I said something that made her scream with disbelief. Checking up … it is practically impossible to believe.

The chart below has virus sizes from 0.003 to 0.05 microns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Structure gives the size of the coronavirus as 0.125 microns.

Is this really that much of a giant?

mollwollfumble said:

Had a discussion with big sister about coronavirus yesterday.

I said something that made her scream with disbelief. Checking up … it is practically impossible to believe.

The chart below has virus sizes from 0.003 to 0.05 microns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Structure gives the size of the coronavirus as 0.125 microns.

Is this really that much of a giant?

“The average diameter of the virus particles is around 125 nm (.125 μm). The diameter of the envelope is 85 nm and the spikes are 20 nm long.”

What is the other 20nm?

Virus – Structure gives:

“Most viruses that have been studied have a diameter between 20 and 300 nanometres.”

So, it is about average…

furious said:

mollwollfumble said:

Had a discussion with big sister about coronavirus yesterday.

I said something that made her scream with disbelief. Checking up … it is practically impossible to believe.

The chart below has virus sizes from 0.003 to 0.05 microns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Structure gives the size of the coronavirus as 0.125 microns.

Is this really that much of a giant?

“The average diameter of the virus particles is around 125 nm (.125 μm). The diameter of the envelope is 85 nm and the spikes are 20 nm long.”

What is the other 20nm?

Virus – Structure gives:

“Most viruses that have been studied have a diameter between 20 and 300 nanometres.”

So, it is about average…

Thanks. The chart is wrong.

This web link to the worlds largest virus has:

“Until 2003, it was thought that all viruses were tiny—completely invisible under a standard light microscope and a fraction of the size of most bacterial cells. Since, several giant viruses have been discovered, including pandoraviruses, discovered by Claverie and Abergel in a water sample collected off the coast of Chile, which held the size record with a length of about one micrometer, or one-thousandth of a millimeter. But their new virus Pithovirus sibericum, described in a paper published today in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, is an astonishing 1.5 micrometers long, between 10 and 100 times as large as the average-sized virus.”

That would make “the average-sized virus” about 15 to 150 nanometres.

> what happened to the other 20 nm?

Diameter not radius, so you count 20 nm twice.

• Diameter not radius, so you count 20 nm twice.

D’oh! My mistake…

I don’t like the sound of pandoraviruses.

Gosh!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/coronavirus-kills-uk-rail-worker-who-was-spat-on/12241118

Michael V said:

Gosh!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/coronavirus-kills-uk-rail-worker-who-was-spat-on/12241118

fk