Cymek said:

Nothing would change?

Cymek said:

If the entire world became vegan, what sort of benefits would it have and would the animals we know eat be destined for extinction.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Nothing would change?

Sorry posted before I asked a question.
I was thinking would it be something good for the planet and animal populations or is the damage done with destroying eco systems

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

If the entire world became vegan, what sort of benefits would it have and would the animals we know eat be destined for extinction.

Going to be hard on the Inuit.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Nothing would change?

Sorry posted before I asked a question.
I was thinking would it be something good for the planet and animal populations or is the damage done with destroying eco systems

considering most of the non pandemic causing animals we eat were bred for the reason we would possibly go through a period of environment loss as they are set free to roam the wild and cause unconfined havoc. Stock of wild animals will change until some sort of balance is met…

Human would survive, but life would be different because if everyone was vegan, they would have no-one to tell about it… so that’ll be an adjustment.

Keeping some grazing animals could be useful…

Man can not live by bread alone.

Arts said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Nothing would change?

Sorry posted before I asked a question.
I was thinking would it be something good for the planet and animal populations or is the damage done with destroying eco systems

considering most of the non pandemic causing animals we eat were bred for the reason we would possibly go through a period of environment loss as they are set free to roam the wild and cause unconfined havoc. Stock of wild animals will change until some sort of balance is met…

Human would survive, but life would be different because if everyone was vegan, they would have no-one to tell about it… so that’ll be an adjustment.

In regards to the animals we currently eat and/or milk they couldn’t really just be released as like you said they do damage so would you eat them and keep enough so they don’t go extinct and could they actually ever be released into the wild as we’ve been breeding them in captivity to eat for centuries.
I was thinking about the last point

Peak Warming Man said:

Man can not live by bread alone.

Nor by rabbit alone, apparently.

Cymek said:

I was thinking about the last point

adjustment?

Cymek said:

Arts said:

Cymek said:

Sorry posted before I asked a question.
I was thinking would it be something good for the planet and animal populations or is the damage done with destroying eco systems

considering most of the non pandemic causing animals we eat were bred for the reason we would possibly go through a period of environment loss as they are set free to roam the wild and cause unconfined havoc. Stock of wild animals will change until some sort of balance is met…

Human would survive, but life would be different because if everyone was vegan, they would have no-one to tell about it… so that’ll be an adjustment.

In regards to the animals we currently eat and/or milk they couldn’t really just be released as like you said they do damage so would you eat them and keep enough so they don’t go extinct and could they actually ever be released into the wild as we’ve been breeding them in captivity to eat for centuries.
I was thinking about the last point

vegan don’t really like animals kept in captivity (that’s the point).

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I was thinking about the last point

adjustment?

If everyone was vegan no one would get any satisfaction telling anyone else they are

Peak Warming Man said:

Man can not live by bread alone.

I have never made bread

Ian said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Man can not live by bread alone.

I have never made bread

I’ve made damper.. but we both failed in isolation times, from what I can tell from instagram.

Arts said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

considering most of the non pandemic causing animals we eat were bred for the reason we would possibly go through a period of environment loss as they are set free to roam the wild and cause unconfined havoc. Stock of wild animals will change until some sort of balance is met…

Human would survive, but life would be different because if everyone was vegan, they would have no-one to tell about it… so that’ll be an adjustment.

In regards to the animals we currently eat and/or milk they couldn’t really just be released as like you said they do damage so would you eat them and keep enough so they don’t go extinct and could they actually ever be released into the wild as we’ve been breeding them in captivity to eat for centuries.
I was thinking about the last point

vegan don’t really like animals kept in captivity (that’s the point).

With beef cattle gone kangaroos would proliferate & impact on cropland.
To feed all humans cropland would need to be many times larger.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I was thinking about the last point

adjustment?

If everyone was vegan no one would get any satisfaction telling anyone else they are

I doubt all those who are vegan are of the ilk of bothering to discuss it.

Tamb said:

Arts said:

Cymek said:

In regards to the animals we currently eat and/or milk they couldn’t really just be released as like you said they do damage so would you eat them and keep enough so they don’t go extinct and could they actually ever be released into the wild as we’ve been breeding them in captivity to eat for centuries.
I was thinking about the last point

vegan don’t really like animals kept in captivity (that’s the point).

With beef cattle gone kangaroos would proliferate & impact on cropland.
To feed all humans cropland would need to be many times larger.

Eat more roo

Ian said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Man can not live by bread alone.

I have never made bread

Have leavened bread often. Have usually eaten it accompanied with something else.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

adjustment?

If everyone was vegan no one would get any satisfaction telling anyone else they are

I doubt all those who are vegan are of the ilk of bothering to discuss it.

No I’m being a bit cheeky

It kind of depends on what other assumptions you make.

Are you mainly concerned about the environmental effects?

Ian said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

vegan don’t really like animals kept in captivity (that’s the point).

With beef cattle gone kangaroos would proliferate & impact on cropland.
To feed all humans cropland would need to be many times larger.

Eat more roo

Kind of squashes the all vegan idea.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

adjustment?

If everyone was vegan no one would get any satisfaction telling anyone else they are

I doubt all those who are vegan are of the ilk of bothering to discuss it.

Don’t worry.

Those who are inclined to announce their choice to others more than make up for those who elect to remain quiet about it.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

If everyone was vegan no one would get any satisfaction telling anyone else they are

I doubt all those who are vegan are of the ilk of bothering to discuss it.

Don’t worry.

Those who are inclined to announce their choice to others more than make up for those who elect to remain quiet about it.

What if the whole world was vegan, did Crossfit, used a standing desk and had never watched Game of Thrones?

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I doubt all those who are vegan are of the ilk of bothering to discuss it.

Don’t worry.

Those who are inclined to announce their choice to others more than make up for those who elect to remain quiet about it.

What if the whole world was vegan, did Crossfit, used a standing desk and had never watched Game of Thrones?

We’d all throttle one another.

Obv, there’d be a big reduction in methane output if there were no beef cattle.

But you don’t need to go vegan to do that. Just switch to other kinds of meat.

so zero tolerance of omnivorousness of humans, strict veganism?

need consider the enforcement of such a thing, which would be impossible

dv said:

Obv, there’d be a big reduction in methane output if there were no beef cattle.

But you don’t need to go vegan to do that. Just switch to other kinds of meat.

The adding of seaweed extract seems to help that as well

dv said:

Obv, there’d be a big reduction in methane output if there were no beef cattle.

But you don’t need to go vegan to do that. Just switch to other kinds of meat.

Or feed the cows seaweed, apparently.

transition said:

so zero tolerance of omnivorousness of humans, strict veganism?

need consider the enforcement of such a thing, which would be impossible

Yes it was more of if it was a collective decision in the future, quite unlikely for sure

Cymek said:

transition said:

so zero tolerance of omnivorousness of humans, strict veganism?

need consider the enforcement of such a thing, which would be impossible

Yes it was more of if it was a collective decision in the future, quite unlikely for sure

sort of a group ideological leaning toward less meat eating, so less animal stock for food

could just have less humans, probably a better way

lot of humans, the creatures keep breeding, fascinating creatures

Of course I still favour the idea of placing a device inside the cow with fuel cells that charge a battery that can be usefully drained by a port placed on the outside of the cow by induction.

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I doubt all those who are vegan are of the ilk of bothering to discuss it.

Don’t worry.

Those who are inclined to announce their choice to others more than make up for those who elect to remain quiet about it.

What if the whole world was vegan, did Crossfit, used a standing desk and had never watched Game of Thrones?

Look, I’m prepared to go vegan and do CrossFit if I must, and never having watched Game of thrones will be no problem at all.

But using a standing desk is a step too far.

Wah…… no bacon and eggs? God’s gift to mankind? God will not be pleased.

dv said:

Of course I still favour the idea of placing a device inside the cow with fuel cells that charge a battery that can be usefully drained by a port placed on the outside of the cow by induction.

What… Some kind of wind turbine?

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Of course I still favour the idea of placing a device inside the cow with fuel cells that charge a battery that can be usefully drained by a port placed on the outside of the cow by induction.

What… Some kind of wind turbine?

Nice work there.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Of course I still favour the idea of placing a device inside the cow with fuel cells that charge a battery that can be usefully drained by a port placed on the outside of the cow by induction.

What… Some kind of wind turbine?

What’s that you said?

Some kind of wind turban?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Of course I still favour the idea of placing a device inside the cow with fuel cells that charge a battery that can be usefully drained by a port placed on the outside of the cow by induction.

What… Some kind of wind turbine?

What’s that you said?

Some kind of wind turban?

This is not the head-dress you Sikh.

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

What… Some kind of wind turbine?

What’s that you said?

Some kind of wind turban?

This is not the head-dress you Sikh.

fair point :)

Tamb said:

To feed all humans cropland would need to be many times larger.

More land would need to be devoted to cropping but total under cultivation wouldn’t risei think.

dv said:

Obv, there’d be a big reduction in methane output if there were no beef cattle.

But you don’t need to go vegan to do that. Just switch to other kinds of meat.

Is that you Dr Strangepork?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

To feed all humans cropland would need to be many times larger.

More land would need to be devoted to cropping but total under cultivation wouldn’t risei think.

There are a lot of free range beef cattle. No improved pasture just bush with the odd water trough.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Obv, there’d be a big reduction in methane output if there were no beef cattle.

But you don’t need to go vegan to do that. Just switch to other kinds of meat.

Is that you Dr Strangepork?

Fair bit of methane associated with porkery as well. But there’s always fish. Or goats.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Obv, there’d be a big reduction in methane output if there were no beef cattle.

But you don’t need to go vegan to do that. Just switch to other kinds of meat.

Is that you Dr Strangepork?

Fair bit of methane associated with porkery as well. But there’s always fish. Or goats.

What about chooks?

Or llamas?

or ducks?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Is that you Dr Strangepork?

Fair bit of methane associated with porkery as well. But there’s always fish. Or goats.

What about chooks?

Or llamas?

or ducks?

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

If you caught a vegan eating say a tomato red handed there’s no way you could prove it, they could just say they were eating fruit and vegetables because they felt like it and not for any social revolutionary radical anarchist ideology.
Even if a cock crows three times they can still deny being vegans and they could well be telling the truth.
So my question is there a scientific test for animal antibodies that can be done to stop innocent omnivores being hung as common vegans.

benefit, population will be weaker and less intelligent, allowing greater mind control and physical control by Big Government, good

Peak Warming Man said:

If you caught a vegan eating say a tomato red handed there’s no way you could prove it, they could just say they were eating fruit and vegetables because they felt like it and not for any social revolutionary radical anarchist ideology.
Even if a cock crows three times they can still deny being vegans and they could well be telling the truth.
So my question is there a scientific test for animal antibodies that can be done to stop innocent omnivores being hung as common vegans.

Well you could do a DNA test on their shit.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Fair bit of methane associated with porkery as well. But there’s always fish. Or goats.

What about chooks?

Or llamas?

or ducks?

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Obv, there’d be a big reduction in methane output if there were no beef cattle.

But you don’t need to go vegan to do that. Just switch to other kinds of meat.

Is that you Dr Strangepork?

Not sure about that. It seems vego/vegans fart a lot more than carnivores.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What about chooks?

Or llamas?

or ducks?

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

But … people do eat carp. It’s a very widely eaten fish.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Fair bit of methane associated with porkery as well. But there’s always fish. Or goats.

What about chooks?

Or llamas?

or ducks?

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Buggers of things to milk though.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

But … people do eat carp. It’s a very widely eaten fish.

With the brick and the boiling and the lemon juice?

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What about chooks?

Or llamas?

or ducks?

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

I’d like to see another wonderful magical animal give us bacon, ham AND pork chops

The local administration in Wuhan, the city of about 11 million people in China’s central Hubei province where cases of the new coronavirus were first recorded late last year, announced Wednesday that the eating of all wild animals was officially banned.

We will wait to see if this is actually enforced

Wuhan also imposed strict new controls on the breeding of all wild animals, making it clear that none could be reared as food. City officials said the local administration would take part in the wider national scheme to buy wild animal breeders out.

The national plan is the first time Chinese authorities have pledged to buy out breeders in an attempt to curb exotic animal breeding, animal rights activists say.

Wuhan bans eating wild animals as coronavirus drives a crackdown in China

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

But … people do eat carp. It’s a very widely eaten fish.

With the brick and the boiling and the lemon juice?

Various species of carp have been domesticated and reared as food fish across Europe and Asia for thousands of years. These various species appear to have been domesticated independently, as the various domesticated carp species are native to different parts of Eurasia. Aquaculture has been pursued in China for at least 2,400 years. A tract by Fan Li in the fifth century BC details many of the ways carp were raised in ponds. The common carp, Cyprinus carpio, is originally from Central Europe. Several carp species (collectively known as Asian carp) were domesticated in East Asia. Carp that are originally from South Asia, for example catla (Gibelion catla), rohu (Labeo rohita) and mrigal (Cirrhinus cirrhosus), are known as Indian carp. Their hardiness and adaptability have allowed domesticated species to be propagated all around the world.

Although the carp was an important aquatic food item, as more fish species have become readily available for the table, the importance of carp culture in Western Europe has become less important. Demand has declined, partly due to the appearance of more desirable table fish such as trout and salmon through intensive farming, and environmental constraints. However, fish production in ponds is still a major form of aquaculture in Central and Eastern Europe, including the Russian Federation, where most of the production comes from low or intermediate-intensity ponds. In Asia, the farming of carp continues to surpass the total amount of farmed fish volume of intensively sea-farmed species, such as salmon and tuna.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

I’d like to see another wonderful magical animal give us bacon, ham AND pork chops

I’m sure we can smoke, cure, and inject brine into lots of meat types.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

But … people do eat carp. It’s a very widely eaten fish.

With the brick and the boiling and the lemon juice?

Various species of carp have been domesticated and reared as food fish across Europe and Asia for thousands of years. These various species appear to have been domesticated independently, as the various domesticated carp species are native to different parts of Eurasia. Aquaculture has been pursued in China for at least 2,400 years. A tract by Fan Li in the fifth century BC details many of the ways carp were raised in ponds. The common carp, Cyprinus carpio, is originally from Central Europe. Several carp species (collectively known as Asian carp) were domesticated in East Asia. Carp that are originally from South Asia, for example catla (Gibelion catla), rohu (Labeo rohita) and mrigal (Cirrhinus cirrhosus), are known as Indian carp. Their hardiness and adaptability have allowed domesticated species to be propagated all around the world.

Although the carp was an important aquatic food item, as more fish species have become readily available for the table, the importance of carp culture in Western Europe has become less important. Demand has declined, partly due to the appearance of more desirable table fish such as trout and salmon through intensive farming, and environmental constraints. However, fish production in ponds is still a major form of aquaculture in Central and Eastern Europe, including the Russian Federation, where most of the production comes from low or intermediate-intensity ponds. In Asia, the farming of carp continues to surpass the total amount of farmed fish volume of intensively sea-farmed species, such as salmon and tuna.

I understand it’s pretty rough eating, though. I’m sure there’s lots of things we can do with the meat that don’t involve humans putting the stuff in our mouths.

Bats! We could eat bats.

Wait, no…

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

With the brick and the boiling and the lemon juice?

Various species of carp have been domesticated and reared as food fish across Europe and Asia for thousands of years. These various species appear to have been domesticated independently, as the various domesticated carp species are native to different parts of Eurasia. Aquaculture has been pursued in China for at least 2,400 years. A tract by Fan Li in the fifth century BC details many of the ways carp were raised in ponds. The common carp, Cyprinus carpio, is originally from Central Europe. Several carp species (collectively known as Asian carp) were domesticated in East Asia. Carp that are originally from South Asia, for example catla (Gibelion catla), rohu (Labeo rohita) and mrigal (Cirrhinus cirrhosus), are known as Indian carp. Their hardiness and adaptability have allowed domesticated species to be propagated all around the world.

Although the carp was an important aquatic food item, as more fish species have become readily available for the table, the importance of carp culture in Western Europe has become less important. Demand has declined, partly due to the appearance of more desirable table fish such as trout and salmon through intensive farming, and environmental constraints. However, fish production in ponds is still a major form of aquaculture in Central and Eastern Europe, including the Russian Federation, where most of the production comes from low or intermediate-intensity ponds. In Asia, the farming of carp continues to surpass the total amount of farmed fish volume of intensively sea-farmed species, such as salmon and tuna.

I understand it’s pretty rough eating, though. I’m sure there’s lots of things we can do with the meat that don’t involve humans putting the stuff in our mouths.

Well okay but you don’t need to put it in the same category as canetoads.

Rule 303 said:

Bats! We could eat bats.

Wait, no…

Fettuccine pangolinia

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

I’d like to see another wonderful magical animal give us bacon, ham AND pork chops

I’m sure we can smoke, cure, and inject brine into lots of meat types.

then why don’t we, rule? why DON’T we???

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Bats! We could eat bats.

Wait, no…

Fettuccine pangolinia

LEAVE THE PANGOLINS ALONE!!!

Arts said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Bats! We could eat bats.

Wait, no…

Fettuccine pangolinia

LEAVE THE PANGOLINS ALONE!!!

+ million

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

I’d like to see another wonderful magical animal give us bacon, ham AND pork chops

I’m sure we can smoke, cure, and inject brine into lots of meat types.

then why don’t we, rule? why DON’T we???

I DON’T KNOW!!!

Neophyte said:

Arts said:

dv said:

Fettuccine pangolinia

LEAVE THE PANGOLINS ALONE!!!

+ million

land lobsters … great with pepper sauce

dv said:

Neophyte said:

Arts said:

LEAVE THE PANGOLINS ALONE!!!

+ million

land lobsters … great with pepper sauce

You’ll be calling fish “sea kittens” next*

*PETA actually suggested this one time.

Neophyte said:

Arts said:

dv said:

Fettuccine pangolinia

LEAVE THE PANGOLINS ALONE!!!

+ million

Eat pandas instead.

Neophyte said:

dv said:

Neophyte said:

+ million

land lobsters … great with pepper sauce

You’ll be calling fish “sea kittens” next*

*PETA actually suggested this one time.

dolphins are sea kittens.

Arts said:

Neophyte said:

dv said:

land lobsters … great with pepper sauce

You’ll be calling fish “sea kittens” next*

*PETA actually suggested this one time.

dolphins are sea kittens.

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Neophyte said:

You’ll be calling fish “sea kittens” next*

*PETA actually suggested this one time.

dolphins are sea kittens.

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

What are crocodiles?

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Neophyte said:

You’ll be calling fish “sea kittens” next*

*PETA actually suggested this one time.

dolphins are sea kittens.

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

Eagles are sky squid

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

dolphins are sea kittens.

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

Eagles are sky squid

Petrels are per litre.

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

dolphins are sea kittens.

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

What are crocodiles?

Best avoided…

To them we’re land barramundi…

People are land aquatic apes

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What about chooks?

Or llamas?

or ducks?

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

Carp: Fish Ambulthial would work. eg:

https://www.peterkuruvita.com/recipes/seafood/ambul-thial/

Cane toads: legs are the go. eg:

https://foodcarent.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/cane-toad-leg-garlic-canapes.pdf

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

I’m sure we can smoke, cure, and inject brine into lots of meat types.

then why don’t we, rule? why DON’T we???

I DON’T KNOW!!!

I blame Bill Gates.

furious said:

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

What are crocodiles?

Best avoided…

To them we’re land barramundi…

Traditionally they only eat Aboriginals & Americans.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Or, as others mentioned, kangaroos.

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

Carp: Fish Ambulthial would work. eg:

https://www.peterkuruvita.com/recipes/seafood/ambul-thial/

Cane toads: legs are the go. eg:

https://foodcarent.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/cane-toad-leg-garlic-canapes.pdf

Living off the land during lockdown: People eat cane toads, is it time I gave it a try?”

““There is not a safe way to eat a cane toad,” Professor Capon said, when I asked if the back legs were ok to eat.”

furious said:

Professor Capon

lol

dv said:

furious said:

Professor Capon

lol

Surprised he had the balls.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Or anything that’s out of its ecosystem and in huge numbers. Rabbits, goats, camels, buffalo, brumbies, foxes… I struggle to see people eating carp or canetoads, but.

I’d like to see another wonderful magical animal give us bacon, ham AND pork chops

I’m sure we can smoke, cure, and inject brine into lots of meat types.

I’ve eaten turkey bacon. Flavour is the same as pork bacon. And it’s Halal.

plants have feelings too

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

dolphins are sea kittens.

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

What are crocodiles?

River murder logs.

SCIENCE said:

plants have feelings too

Especially obvious plant

Rule 303 said:

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Kittens are land Dolphins.

Puppies are land Sharks.

What are crocodiles?

River murder logs.

I like the bit of ABC humour where a croc is sliding backwards into the water & the soundtrack is a vehicle reversing beeep.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

plants have feelings too

Especially obvious plant

yeah not very clandestine at all

My first question is: “What do vegans eat?”
I know what they don’t eat, but how do they make up for those dietary deficiencies?
PS, why call them vegan rather than just herbivore?

My second question, more a comment, is that carnivores are far easier to feed in the zoo than herbivores. Because carnivores only need to eat a little, whereas herbivores need to eat so much that they hardly ever stop eating.

I suspect that the arable land requirement wouldn’t change much but – and here’s a key – there would be much more pressure on good quality arable land, particularly rainforest land. Less pressure on land with poor soils. So in a nutshell, destroy the rainforest and preserve the desert.

As for wildlife – mammal stock far outweighs wildlife right now. The drop in stock would be accompanied by an increase in mammal wildlife biomass.

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What I want to know. If the entire human race became lithovores. Eating mineral oils rather than bio-oils. With supplementary nitrogen fixed by the Haber-Bosch process.

What do you think?

I think there would be a vast improvement in the wild biosphere, don’t you?

maybe they could eat each other, not worry any other organisms

I didn’t think rain forests were particularly fertile.

ChrispenEvan said:

I didn’t think rain forests were particularly fertile.

well they aren’t once you remove the biological bits

mollwollfumble said:

My first question is: “What do vegans eat?”
I know what they don’t eat, but how do they make up for those dietary deficiencies?
PS, why call them vegan rather than just herbivore?

My second question, more a comment, is that carnivores are far easier to feed in the zoo than herbivores. Because carnivores only need to eat a little, whereas herbivores need to eat so much that they hardly ever stop eating.

I suspect that the arable land requirement wouldn’t change much but – and here’s a key – there would be much more pressure on good quality arable land, particularly rainforest land. Less pressure on land with poor soils. So in a nutshell, destroy the rainforest and preserve the desert.

As for wildlife – mammal stock far outweighs wildlife right now. The drop in stock would be accompanied by an increase in mammal wildlife biomass.

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What I want to know. If the entire human race became lithovores. Eating mineral oils rather than bio-oils. With supplementary nitrogen fixed by the Haber-Bosch process.

What do you think?

I think there would be a vast improvement in the wild biosphere, don’t you?

Nah.

Just go a few rungs down the food chain. Mass cultivation of insects, worms, zooplankton, baitfish etc for protein production.

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I didn’t think rain forests were particularly fertile.

well they aren’t once you remove the biological bits

much of the available nutrients are already taken up and form part of the plants.

the same in many areas, the soils are relatively poor, all the nutrients are in the plants. A nutrient cycle develops where plants are eaten or broken down by other animals and the nutrients shat back down to the forest floor.

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I didn’t think rain forests were particularly fertile.

well they aren’t once you remove the biological bits

Not very.

But more fertile than much other uncultivated land.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I didn’t think rain forests were particularly fertile.

well they aren’t once you remove the biological bits

Not very.

But more fertile than much other uncultivated land.

Which leads to a follow up question.

Not including places commonly subject to flooding … what is the most fertile land on Earth that has never been farmed?

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

well they aren’t once you remove the biological bits

Not very.

But more fertile than much other uncultivated land.

Which leads to a follow up question.

Not including places commonly subject to flooding … what is the most fertile land on Earth that has never been farmed?

Why dos it have to never have been farmed or indeed what does never having been farmed mean?

I have to ask thgis question because land itself isn’t really fertile. It does have minerals but the majority of the fertility to be found in any soil is created by the microbial farmers already using it.

ABC News:

1Bank offers lifeline to property investors to avoid a feared ‘tsunami of forced sales’

By Claire Moodie
Amid fears of a brutal housing market fall, banks have been urged to extend help to property investors struggling to repay their loans. But some say they will lose everything as housing values and rents flatline.’

This is serious, Mum.

Even the banks are beginning to get scared.

All property bubbles eventually burst. The causes of their bursting are rarely foreseeable or expected, but, in time, something comes along which triggers the collapse.

Australia’s has set world records for its longevity, and the surety of property investment has become an article of faith to generations of Australians.

If the bubble doesn’t burst this time, then soon enough,some other cause will pop up.

It’ll seem cruel and unfair and it may be disastrous to many. It’s inevitable.

How did i manage to put that post in this thread?

captain_spalding said:

How did i manage to put that post in this thread?

Because you were reading a post in this thread at the time?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

How did i manage to put that post in this thread?

Because you were reading a post in this thread at the time?

Plus, i’m silly as a wheel.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

How did i manage to put that post in this thread?

Because you were reading a post in this thread at the time?

Plus, i’m silly as a wheel.

No surprise to any of us. ;)

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Because you were reading a post in this thread at the time?

Plus, i’m silly as a wheel.

No surprise to any of us. ;)

…on my own petard.

Anyway, the entire world does not have to become vegan. They simply need to eat way less of what they eat now in the way of 3 meals per day that contain meat. In fact they could easily never starve or be a loony vego if they had 3 or less meals of meat per week.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Plus, i’m silly as a wheel.

No surprise to any of us. ;)

…on my own petard.

as it be. :)

roughbarked said:

Anyway, the entire world does not have to become vegan. They simply need to eat way less of what they eat now in the way of 3 meals per day that contain meat. In fact they could easily never starve or be a loony vego if they had 3 or less meals of meat per week.

probably a bit unfair to generalize vegans loons, you know a thinking creature on a less optimistic day, needs work hard to find sanity about the business of consciousness, and human expansion, a potentially crippling reality, so maybe vegans deserve some encouragement, if not encouragement then afforded a non-hostile space to go about their business, without being mauled by intellectual canines

transition said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway, the entire world does not have to become vegan. They simply need to eat way less of what they eat now in the way of 3 meals per day that contain meat. In fact they could easily never starve or be a loony vego if they had 3 or less meals of meat per week.

probably a bit unfair to generalize vegans loons, you know a thinking creature on a less optimistic day, needs work hard to find sanity about the business of consciousness, and human expansion, a potentially crippling reality, so maybe vegans deserve some encouragement, if not encouragement then afforded a non-hostile space to go about their business, without being mauled by intellectual canines

I’ll agree with both of those.

I still don’t know what real life vegans actually eat. One vegetarian I know is a big avocado eater. I think another subsists largely on rice dishes. Perhaps another is a big kimchi-saurkraut eater. Another eats lots and lots of nuts.

Is there that much variation?