mollwollfumble said:

Wow. Saudi Arabia isn’t in as much trouble as I thought.

Huge number of new cases, and increasing.
But the mortality rate is only 0.7%, and dropping. It could end up being near 0.5%.
That’s tiny.

No indication that Saudi Arabia has been lying in its statistics. Mark it as one of the honest countries.

Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh are notable in only being just behind the UK in the number of new cases. 7th for UK, 8th for Saudi Arabia, 9th for Bangladesh.

The Saudi Arabia discrepancy between peak active cases and quadratically increasing cases is a real feature due to the declining mortality rate. Use the number of new cases in determining the percentage completeness.

Bangladesh is also not nearly as bad as I feared. The mortality rate there is also low and dropping. It’s somewhere in the range of 1.4 to 1.9%. Compare that with adjacent India with a mortality of 4%, the same as China and Germany.

Bangladesh honesty, OK but not perfect. There was a correction on 3rd May to the number of recoveries, catching up on bad figures for the previous week. They missed 6th May and corrected it on 7th May. Good data since then.

Trump has banned travel from Brazil.

I think it might be a bit late for that strategy to have a serious impact.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-25/coronavirus-update-covid19-japan-stimulus-dominic-cummings/12281412

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Wow. Saudi Arabia isn’t in as much trouble as I thought.

Huge number of new cases, and increasing.
But the mortality rate is only 0.7%, and dropping. It could end up being near 0.5%.
That’s tiny.

No indication that Saudi Arabia has been lying in its statistics. Mark it as one of the honest countries.

Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh are notable in only being just behind the UK in the number of new cases. 7th for UK, 8th for Saudi Arabia, 9th for Bangladesh.

The Saudi Arabia discrepancy between peak active cases and quadratically increasing cases is a real feature due to the declining mortality rate. Use the number of new cases in determining the percentage completeness.

Bangladesh is also not nearly as bad as I feared. The mortality rate there is also low and dropping. It’s somewhere in the range of 1.4 to 1.9%. Compare that with adjacent India with a mortality of 4%, the same as China and Germany.

Bangladesh honesty, OK but not perfect. There was a correction on 3rd May to the number of recoveries, catching up on bad figures for the previous week. They missed 6th May and corrected it on 7th May. Good data since then.

I was going to analyse Qatar, having the highest ratio of cases to total population. But I don’t need to. Today we have a total of 21 deaths for 43,714 cases and 10,035 recoveries. That gives a mortality rate between 0.05% and 0.2%, easily the lowest in the world.

¿Can I do a quick check on Nigeria, important as the most populous nation in Africa and a traditional hotbed of disease. Currently 221 deaths and 2,174 recoveries from 7,526 cases. That immediately limits the mortality to between 221/(221+2174) and 221/7526, between 3% and 9%. Almost certainly closer to 3% than 9%. So not the deadliest strain of the virus.

Have the results from Ecuador started to firm up? Previously 6.5±1%. I need to check Canada and Mexico as well. Previously from Canada “The mortality has now passed 9.5% and the increase shows no signs of stopping, it may end up as high as 13%.” Previously from Mexico, best guess last time was 16.5±4%.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Wow. Saudi Arabia isn’t in as much trouble as I thought.

Huge number of new cases, and increasing.
But the mortality rate is only 0.7%, and dropping. It could end up being near 0.5%.
That’s tiny.

No indication that Saudi Arabia has been lying in its statistics. Mark it as one of the honest countries.

Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh are notable in only being just behind the UK in the number of new cases. 7th for UK, 8th for Saudi Arabia, 9th for Bangladesh.

The Saudi Arabia discrepancy between peak active cases and quadratically increasing cases is a real feature due to the declining mortality rate. Use the number of new cases in determining the percentage completeness.

Bangladesh is also not nearly as bad as I feared. The mortality rate there is also low and dropping. It’s somewhere in the range of 1.4 to 1.9%. Compare that with adjacent India with a mortality of 4%, the same as China and Germany.

Bangladesh honesty, OK but not perfect. There was a correction on 3rd May to the number of recoveries, catching up on bad figures for the previous week. They missed 6th May and corrected it on 7th May. Good data since then.

I was going to analyse Qatar, having the highest ratio of cases to total population. But I don’t need to. Today we have a total of 21 deaths for 43,714 cases and 10,035 recoveries. That gives a mortality rate between 0.05% and 0.2%, easily the lowest in the world.

¿Can I do a quick check on Nigeria, important as the most populous nation in Africa and a traditional hotbed of disease. Currently 221 deaths and 2,174 recoveries from 7,526 cases. That immediately limits the mortality to between 221/(221+2174) and 221/7526, between 3% and 9%. Almost certainly closer to 3% than 9%. So not the deadliest strain of the virus.

Have the results from Ecuador started to firm up? Previously 6.5±1%. I need to check Canada and Mexico as well. Previously from Canada “The mortality has now passed 9.5% and the increase shows no signs of stopping, it may end up as high as 13%.” Previously from Mexico, best guess last time was 16.5±4%.

Shouldn’t you at least consider the possibility that different countries are using different criteria for deciding whether a death is due to the virus or not?

mollwollfumble said:

Have the results from Ecuador started to firm up? Previously 6.5±1%. I need to check Canada and Mexico as well. Previously from Canada “The mortality has now passed 9.5% and the increase shows no signs of stopping, it may end up as high as 13%.” Previously from Mexico, best guess last time was 16.5±4%.

With a big jump in deaths on May 10, the best estimate of mortality rate For Ecuador has gone way up. It’s now of the order of 9.3%±1%.

This seems to the a real change in mortality rate. See chart below. I would hazard a guess that Ecuador has three competing strains of the virus vying for dominance. It has to be at least two strains.

I don’t want to look at Canada, the data there makes me sick at heart. The mortality rate there began at 2.2% and has climbed and climbed. And instead of a declining number of new cases after the peak on 23 Apr, the number of new cases there is still really high. To put it another way, the death toll there is going to be at least ten times as large as early data said it should be.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shouldn’t you at least consider the possibility that different countries are using different criteria for deciding whether a death is due to the virus or not?

No. It’s totally straightforward.
Not necessarily correct. But definitely straightforward.

mollwollfumble said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shouldn’t you at least consider the possibility that different countries are using different criteria for deciding whether a death is due to the virus or not?

No. It’s totally straightforward.
Not necessarily correct. But definitely straightforward.

What is totally straightforward, and how do you know?

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shouldn’t you at least consider the possibility that different countries are using different criteria for deciding whether a death is due to the virus or not?

No. It’s totally straightforward.
Not necessarily correct. But definitely straightforward.

What is totally straightforward, and how do you know?

all previously unexplained / unexpected deaths are due to the virus

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

No. It’s totally straightforward.
Not necessarily correct. But definitely straightforward.

What is totally straightforward, and how do you know?

all previously unexplained / unexpected deaths are due to the virus

That’s the correct way, not the straightforward way. Only China and Spain have done that. And only on one day in each country.

The straightforward way is all deaths of people diagnosed as having coronavirus, ignoring any other deadly disease that they may have at the time. Every country is using the straightforward way.

Deaths due to Covid-19 – the most accurate data.

Cases of Covid-19 – depends on how many people are tested, so varies from country to country a bit.

Recoveries from Covid-19 – least accurate data, sometimes very wildly inaccurate. Only accurate in countries with an active and effective secret police force.

mollwollfumble said:

The straightforward way is all deaths of people diagnosed as having coronavirus, ignoring any other deadly disease that they may have at the time. Every country is using the straightforward way.

How do you know that?

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

The straightforward way is all deaths of people diagnosed as having coronavirus, ignoring any other deadly disease that they may have at the time. Every country is using the straightforward way.

How do you know that?

In fact, we know it is not correct.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/2020/04/20/fact-check-are-hospitals-reporting-all-deaths-as-covid-19-related/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-guidelines-covid19/

On the other hand there have been several cases where legislatures have acted to minimise the Covid-19 death count.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/08/whats-in-the-censored-florida-medical-examiners-database-of-covid-19-deaths/

In general there is likely an undercount of Covid-19 deaths, because of people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/flu-deaths-overestimated-coronavirus-deaths-undercounted-report-2020-5?r=US&IR=T
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-deaths/

Worldometer has ticked over 5.5 million.

India seems to be in a rapid growth phase now and is shooting up the rankings.

This floodlighting stuff is not that easy..

Re: tennis court…

The standard recreational level is 4 × 1000W Metal Halides, on poles about 6m tall. That is equivalent to about 4000 to 5000W worth of LEDs.

Ian said:

This floodlighting stuff is not that easy..

Re: tennis court…

The standard recreational level is 4 × 1000W Metal Halides, on poles about 6m tall. That is equivalent to about 4000 to 5000W worth of LEDs.

Are you going to put them in your bottom to prevent coronavirus?

dv said:

Ian said:

This floodlighting stuff is not that easy..

Re: tennis court…

The standard recreational level is 4 × 1000W Metal Halides, on poles about 6m tall. That is equivalent to about 4000 to 5000W worth of LEDs.

Are you going to put them in your bottom to prevent coronavirus?

sounds like a completely different ball game

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

Perhaps kyle needs to go.

dv said:

Controversial chef Empty-headed shitbird publicity-hound Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Fixed.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Controversial chef Empty-headed shitbird publicity-hound Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Fixed.

Breakfast type media is pretty awful just from the tiny bits I’ve been unfortunate to be subject to they probably encourage him to talk such nonsense

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

What dicks.

Get an expert to comment…

Michael V said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

What dicks.

Get an expert to comment…

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

What dicks.

Get an expert to comment…

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

We should then test gravity by dropping Pete from the tower of Pisa

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What dicks.

Get an expert to comment…

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

We should then test gravity by dropping Pete from the tower of Pisa

Yeah, gravity is all just made up, y’know.

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

Why do they keep giving this idiot a platform?

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What dicks.

Get an expert to comment…

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

We should then test gravity by dropping Pete from the tower of Pisa

I’m leaning towards that idea myself

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What dicks.

Get an expert to comment…

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

We should then test gravity by dropping Pete from the tower of Pisa

if we all chip in and place one of his lights beneath him.. will it save him?

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

We should then test gravity by dropping Pete from the tower of Pisa

Yeah, gravity is all just made up, y’know.

Obviously. Otherwise the chemtrails would fall down.

Arts said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

Quiet you they are being creative and expressing themselves

Arts said:

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

We should then test gravity by dropping Pete from the tower of Pisa

if we all chip in and place one of his lights beneath him.. will it save him?

He may be delighted.

I am surprised he’s game to show his face, or rather voice, after the TGA smackdown

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

Why do they keep giving this idiot a platform?

Because of idiots.

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What dicks.

Get an expert to comment…

Let’s do the experiment.

We’ll get Evans jabbed with the flu vaccine, expose him (comprehensively) to COVID-19 , and see if he gets sick.

I think that should do it. Controls would not be needed.

We should then test gravity by dropping Pete from the tower of Pisa

That’s not really scientific. You also need a control. I suggest we drop Kyle off at the same time.

Arts said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

to be fair, all vaccines aren’t completely safe all the time

part of the testing is for adverse reactions, and social-medical tolerance is to some extent related to the statistical number of adverse outcomes, or responses, and the larger experiment of safety is done on large numbers of people, being the public

there was a study done that may suggest or indicate the flu vaccine (of the period the test was done) may have some negative influence on immune system response to coronavirus, as I recall, minor interference, though the exact details of how that was arrived at I didn’t understand, my deerrr was completely stretched by the technical details

transition said:

Arts said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

to be fair, all vaccines aren’t completely safe all the time

part of the testing is for adverse reactions, and social-medical tolerance is to some extent related to the statistical number of adverse outcomes, or responses, and the larger experiment of safety is done on large numbers of people, being the public

there was a study done that may suggest or indicate the flu vaccine (of the period the test was done) may have some negative influence on immune system response to coronavirus, as I recall, minor interference, though the exact details of how that was arrived at I didn’t understand, my deerrr was completely stretched by the technical details

The anti brigade don’t usually mean the above though do they, they have some out there explanation combined with them flogging off a book, diet, medicine, etc

Arts said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

Did you mean to say that out loud?

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

transition said:

Arts said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

to be fair, all vaccines aren’t completely safe all the time

possibility of dying from measles about 1:1000
possibility of having an adverse reaction to the vaccination 1: 1000000

sheesh.

buffy said:

Arts said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8353299/Pete-Evans-shares-anti-vaxxer-views-unchallenged-live-radio.html

Pete Evans shares dangerous anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on live radio – and makes unscientific claims there is a link between vaccines and behavioural issues in children

Controversial chef Pete Evans expressed his dangerous and unscientific anti-vaxxer views unchallenged on Monday, after being given a platform on Sydney breakfast radio.

Pete, 47, encouraged listeners of The Kyle and Jackie O Show to question the safety of vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic – even though vaccines are completely safe and have helped eliminate deadly diseases, saving millions of lives.

The former My Kitchen Rules judge, who was released from his contract with Channel Seven after falsely claiming a ‘healing lamp’ could help cure coronavirus, began his rant by questioning new legislation ordering visitors, staff and contractors to receive the flu jab before visiting aged care facilities.

Pete said he couldn’t agree with the flu jab legislation, citing supposed scientific research claiming ‘there is the potential that it increases your risk of coming down with greater symptoms of COVID-19’.

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

Did you mean to say that out loud?

wait, I didn’t just think it?

I unfriended someone on Facebook for posting anti vax bullshit. The straw that broke my back was a post about why we think vaccines work when vaccinated people get sick from the thing they’re vaccinated against.

dv said:

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

my view is a generalized stupid is not the trouble, that’s like a game shooter going after elephants with an elephant gun

Divine Angel said:

I unfriended someone on Facebook for posting anti vax bullshit. The straw that broke my back was a post about why we think vaccines work when vaccinated people get sick from the thing they’re vaccinated against.

I am a fairly tolerant person, I have friends who are major conspiracy theorists and I listen to their stories because they interest me.. and the mindset interests me.. but I don’t tolerate anti vax.. I can’t. It’s the straw for me.

dv said:

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

The stupid has always existed. We are just platforming it through modern information technology.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

I unfriended someone on Facebook for posting anti vax bullshit. The straw that broke my back was a post about why we think vaccines work when vaccinated people get sick from the thing they’re vaccinated against.

I am a fairly tolerant person, I have friends who are major conspiracy theorists and I listen to their stories because they interest me.. and the mindset interests me.. but I don’t tolerate anti vax.. I can’t. It’s the straw for me.

don’t have any friends that are conspiracy nutters, anti-vaxxers etc. killed them. worlds a better place now.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

The stupid has always existed. We are just platforming it through modern information technology.

and if they didn’t exist then what would we talk about?

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

I unfriended someone on Facebook for posting anti vax bullshit. The straw that broke my back was a post about why we think vaccines work when vaccinated people get sick from the thing they’re vaccinated against.

I am a fairly tolerant person, I have friends who are major conspiracy theorists and I listen to their stories because they interest me.. and the mindset interests me.. but I don’t tolerate anti vax.. I can’t. It’s the straw for me.

I wonder if they realise the luxury of being able to be antivax as herd immunity for the most part protects them and what if they lived in some less safe place where it doesn’t

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

The stupid has always existed. We are just platforming it through modern information technology.

and if they didn’t exist then what would we talk about?

How best to deal with external threats and problems? What specific ways are best to improve the world?

Making progress instead of still talking about whether the world is flat?

dv said:

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

It sure looks like it, most unfortunately.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

I unfriended someone on Facebook for posting anti vax bullshit. The straw that broke my back was a post about why we think vaccines work when vaccinated people get sick from the thing they’re vaccinated against.

I am a fairly tolerant person, I have friends who are major conspiracy theorists and I listen to their stories because they interest me.. and the mindset interests me.. but I don’t tolerate anti vax.. I can’t. It’s the straw for me.

don’t have any friends that are conspiracy nutters, anti-vaxxers etc. killed them. worlds a better place now.

With the nutters I specialise in contrails & Krakens. I can out-nutter them every time.

Arts said:

transition said:

Arts said:

the behavioural issues in unvaccinated children stem from their shitty parents.

to be fair, all vaccines aren’t completely safe all the time

possibility of dying from measles about 1:1000
possibility of having an adverse reaction to the vaccination 1: 1000000

sheesh.

No-brainer, yet we still have the stupids.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

The stupid has always existed. We are just platforming it through modern information technology.

and if they didn’t exist then what would we talk about?

How best to deal with external threats and problems? What specific ways are best to improve the world?

Making progress instead of still talking about whether the world is flat?

they are complex issues though and my brain can’t handle complex issues.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

and if they didn’t exist then what would we talk about?

How best to deal with external threats and problems? What specific ways are best to improve the world?

Making progress instead of still talking about whether the world is flat?

they are complex issues though and my brain can’t handle complex issues.

Don’t undersell yourself.

Sell yourself exactly the right amount

party_pants said:

dv said:

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

The stupid has always existed. We are just platforming it through modern information technology.

“Platforming it”!

That stupid

Michael V said:

Arts said:

transition said:

to be fair, all vaccines aren’t completely safe all the time

possibility of dying from measles about 1:1000
possibility of having an adverse reaction to the vaccination 1: 1000000

sheesh.

No-brainer, yet we still have the stupids.

still it’s potentially misleading to state as fact or infer or leave it unqualified and lead people to believe all vaccines are completely safe all the time

transition said:

Michael V said:

Arts said:

possibility of dying from measles about 1:1000
possibility of having an adverse reaction to the vaccination 1: 1000000

sheesh.

No-brainer, yet we still have the stupids.

still it’s potentially misleading to state as fact or infer or leave it unqualified and lead people to believe all vaccines are completely safe all the time

no one says that

Arts said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

No-brainer, yet we still have the stupids.

still it’s potentially misleading to state as fact or infer or leave it unqualified and lead people to believe all vaccines are completely safe all the time

no one says that

exactly. that isn’t said. in fact people, who know, say all medical procedures involve some risk.

Arts said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

No-brainer, yet we still have the stupids.

still it’s potentially misleading to state as fact or infer or leave it unqualified and lead people to believe all vaccines are completely safe all the time

no one says that

what I read in the thread above, without going back, it said completely safe

completely used that way means just that, completely

transition said:

Arts said:

transition said:

still it’s potentially misleading to state as fact or infer or leave it unqualified and lead people to believe all vaccines are completely safe all the time

no one says that

what I read in the thread above, without going back, it said completely safe

completely used that way means just that, completely

said by reporter at the daily mail.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

transition said:

still it’s potentially misleading to state as fact or infer or leave it unqualified and lead people to believe all vaccines are completely safe all the time

no one says that

exactly. that isn’t said. in fact people, who know, say all medical procedures involve some risk.

Don’t the informed realise that though and don’t claim its 100% safe as nothing is

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

Arts said:

no one says that

what I read in the thread above, without going back, it said completely safe

completely used that way means just that, completely

said by reporter at the daily mail.

still, it was said, quoted, then used, from there

anyway, how many people here know anyone that’s had a life changing experience from a vaccine, few i’d guess, if any

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

what I read in the thread above, without going back, it said completely safe

completely used that way means just that, completely

said by reporter at the daily mail.

still, it was said, quoted, then used, from there

anyway, how many people here know anyone that’s had a life changing experience from a vaccine, few i’d guess, if any

Adverse reaction experience ?
Was it fireman something or a name like that whose daughter died from a vaccine reaction, he posted here or on SSSF

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

what I read in the thread above, without going back, it said completely safe

completely used that way means just that, completely

said by reporter at the daily mail.

still, it was said, quoted, then used, from there

anyway, how many people here know anyone that’s had a life changing experience from a vaccine, few i’d guess, if any

Well, I didn’t get polio. I know people who did.

sarahs mum said:

sorry.

Michael V said:

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

said by reporter at the daily mail.

still, it was said, quoted, then used, from there

anyway, how many people here know anyone that’s had a life changing experience from a vaccine, few i’d guess, if any

Well, I didn’t get polio. I know people who did.

woman at work had a reaction to the flu shot. arm puffed up and a bit of pain. have to ask her what the verdict was.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

sorry.

regret nothing

Michael V said:

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

said by reporter at the daily mail.

still, it was said, quoted, then used, from there

anyway, how many people here know anyone that’s had a life changing experience from a vaccine, few i’d guess, if any

Well, I didn’t get polio. I know people who did.

I am also old enough to know someone who had polio.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

transition said:

still, it was said, quoted, then used, from there

anyway, how many people here know anyone that’s had a life changing experience from a vaccine, few i’d guess, if any

Well, I didn’t get polio. I know people who did.

I am also old enough to know someone who had polio.

my form teacher in yr 8 had the shoe thingo which was allegedly a polio something something.. that’s what he used to tell us as a warning to get vaccinated.

Arts said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Well, I didn’t get polio. I know people who did.

I am also old enough to know someone who had polio.

my form teacher in yr 8 had the shoe thingo which was allegedly a polio something something.. that’s what he used to tell us as a warning to get vaccinated.

club foot?

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

buffy said:

I am also old enough to know someone who had polio.

my form teacher in yr 8 had the shoe thingo which was allegedly a polio something something.. that’s what he used to tell us as a warning to get vaccinated.

club foot?

nah. like a shoe that had a bigger heel so he could walk easier.. google polio shoes.. it comes up.

Michael V said:

Well, I didn’t get polio. I know people who did.

I didn’t get yellow fever, typhoid, or smallpox. Or polio.

Probably wouldn’t have got mumps or measles or rubella, had MMR vaccine been around then.

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

my form teacher in yr 8 had the shoe thingo which was allegedly a polio something something.. that’s what he used to tell us as a warning to get vaccinated.

club foot?

nah. like a shoe that had a bigger heel so he could walk easier.. google polio shoes.. it comes up.

apparently it’s called an ‘in-depth’ shoe.

Arts said:

apparently it’s called an ‘in-depth’ shoe.

What Ed Sullivan would have had, if he’d done current affairs.

I didn’t get any common ‘childhood’ disease.. I was born in 1971.. but somehow managed to avoid them all (probably because I didn’t socialise with many people) .. my parents jumped on the immunisation bandwagon pretty early but I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

Arts said:

I didn’t get any common ‘childhood’ disease.. I was born in 1971.. but somehow managed to avoid them all (probably because I didn’t socialise with many people) .. my parents jumped on the immunisation bandwagon pretty early but I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

I’m a 1972 model, I got mumps and chicken pox as a child.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

I didn’t get any common ‘childhood’ disease.. I was born in 1971.. but somehow managed to avoid them all (probably because I didn’t socialise with many people) .. my parents jumped on the immunisation bandwagon pretty early but I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

I’m a 1972 model, I got mumps and chicken pox as a child.

measles, german measles, chicken pox x2.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

I didn’t get any common ‘childhood’ disease.. I was born in 1971.. but somehow managed to avoid them all (probably because I didn’t socialise with many people) .. my parents jumped on the immunisation bandwagon pretty early but I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

I’m a 1972 model, I got mumps and chicken pox as a child.

I think had chicken pox

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

Yep.

I have a vague memory of being about 5 and going to the town hall with shedloads of others to be jabbed.

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

I’m not sure what vaccines were available when I was a child. My parents (and the school) made sure I got the ones that were available. We did a trip to Europe when I was a kid, and we had to get some other vaccines done before that, cholera and something else but I can’t remember what.

ABC News:

‘Australia should abandon the idea of a bullet train and governments should stop wasting public money to study proposals, according to a new report by the Grattan Institute.’

We don’t really want a bullet train.

What we want is safe, reasonably fast, affordable and comfortable trains that can stick to a schedule.

Getting them to go at 300 kmh is not a magic spell that solves all the problems.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Australia should abandon the idea of a bullet train and governments should stop wasting public money to study proposals, according to a new report by the Grattan Institute.’

We don’t really want a bullet train.

What we want is safe, reasonably fast, affordable and comfortable trains that can stick to a schedule.

Getting them to go at 300 kmh is not a magic spell that solves all the problems.

bullet trains spread COVID19 faster than normal trains.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

I’m not sure what vaccines were available when I was a child. My parents (and the school) made sure I got the ones that were available. We did a trip to Europe when I was a kid, and we had to get some other vaccines done before that, cholera and something else but I can’t remember what.

I’ve had the smallpox vaccination. Now, that disease doesn’t exist in the wild.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

I didn’t get any common ‘childhood’ disease.. I was born in 1971.. but somehow managed to avoid them all (probably because I didn’t socialise with many people) .. my parents jumped on the immunisation bandwagon pretty early but I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

I’m a 1972 model, I got mumps and chicken pox as a child.

I got measles and chicken pox. Chicken pox was not good.

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

I’m not sure what vaccines were available when I was a child. My parents (and the school) made sure I got the ones that were available. We did a trip to Europe when I was a kid, and we had to get some other vaccines done before that, cholera and something else but I can’t remember what.

I think the travel ones were so that were allowed in to the Netherlands.

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

Yep.

I have a vague memory of being about 5 and going to the town hall with shedloads of others to be jabbed.

I remember sabin oral and how everyone was breathing a sigh of relief.

dv said:

Are we losing the War On Stupid? There just seems to be no end to it.

Yes. Very high confidence, very strong consensus of expert opinion.

Read The Triumph Of The Airheads and the Retreat from Commonsense by Shelley Gare. She’s all over it.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

I’m not sure what vaccines were available when I was a child. My parents (and the school) made sure I got the ones that were available. We did a trip to Europe when I was a kid, and we had to get some other vaccines done before that, cholera and something else but I can’t remember what.

I’ve had the smallpox vaccination. Now, that disease doesn’t exist in the wild.

me too. vaccinations ended in 1972 in the US. it is still given to researchers etc.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

Yep.

I have a vague memory of being about 5 and going to the town hall with shedloads of others to be jabbed.

I remember sabin oral and how everyone was breathing a sigh of relief.

The first successful demonstration of a polio vaccine was by Hilary Koprowski in 1950, with a live attenuated virus which people drank. This vaccine, however, was not approved in the United States. An inactivated polio vaccine, developed a few years later by Jonas Salk, came into use in 1955. A different, oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961=wiki

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

round pockmark.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Australia should abandon the idea of a bullet train and governments should stop wasting public money to study proposals, according to a new report by the Grattan Institute.’

We don’t really want a bullet train.

What we want is safe, reasonably fast, affordable and comfortable trains that can stick to a schedule.

Getting them to go at 300 kmh is not a magic spell that solves all the problems.

Did anyone suggest it was?

But if you want to provide ways for people to travel between Australia’s major cities without using fossil fuels, fast electric trains seem like the best way to do it.

Apologies.

Train thing in wrong thread.

Duh.

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

TB.

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

Yes, smallpox. It was a scratch-needle that introduced cowpox into the scratch.

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

TB.

Nope, BCG is intradermal injection. Just the top layers of skin.

Smallpox vaccine, the skin is pricked several times to introduce a droplet of vaccine. Leaves a small scar.

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

TB.

or not TB.

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

TB.

Nope, BCG is intradermal injection. Just the top layers of skin.

Smallpox vaccine, the skin is pricked several times to introduce a droplet of vaccine. Leaves a small scar.

Because you actually develop cowpox at the site.

I’ve seen people who were severely and hideously scarred by smallpox.

The disease was still out there at the time i first saw such survivors, and i felt very glad indeed that i’d been vaccinated.

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

This. But I had mumps (August 1965), German measles (August 1966), measles (July 1967, with some pneumonia thrown in) and chicken pox (July1969). I started school in 1965. I can’t remember when my siblings had these things, but some of them we all had at once, or consecutively. At that time there were four of us, born 1959, 1962,1963,1964.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

…I don’t think they had them in the 70’s…

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

This. But I had mumps (August 1965), German measles (August 1966), measles (July 1967, with some pneumonia thrown in) and chicken pox (July1969). I started school in 1965. I can’t remember when my siblings had these things, but some of them we all had at once, or consecutively. At that time there were four of us, born 1959, 1962,1963,1964.

I think that if anyone had tried to prevent us getting our vaccinations (e.g. protesters blocking the way, although, or course, there was no such thing then) my mother would have torn the arm off one of them and beat the rest to death with it.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

What? Vaccines?

We didn’t have all the ones there are now, but we had plenty of good ones.

And we had parents who had grown up in times where there were no vaccines for polio and other illnesses, and who’d seen what diptheria did to kids, and who’d had some of those killer bugs themselves.

When it was time for the vaccination clinics, they had us queued up there, rain, hail, or shine.

This. But I had mumps (August 1965), German measles (August 1966), measles (July 1967, with some pneumonia thrown in) and chicken pox (July1969). I started school in 1965. I can’t remember when my siblings had these things, but some of them we all had at once, or consecutively. At that time there were four of us, born 1959, 1962,1963,1964.

I think that if anyone had tried to prevent us getting our vaccinations (e.g. protesters blocking the way, although, or course, there was no such thing then) my mother would have torn the arm off one of them and beat the rest to death with it.

LOLOLOLOL.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Australia should abandon the idea of a bullet train and governments should stop wasting public money to study proposals, according to a new report by the Grattan Institute.’

We don’t really want a bullet train.

What we want is safe, reasonably fast, affordable and comfortable trains that can stick to a schedule.

Getting them to go at 300 kmh is not a magic spell that solves all the problems.

Although I’m no HSR fanatic, I can say that the main attraction is that in the future air travel will be less attactive because of the emissions. HSR is not aiming at replacing current trains: it is aiming to replace intercity flights. Leaving Brisbane out makes it a lot more feasible.

From the article:
“Australia’s population is small and spread over vast distances and the countries most like us — Canada and the US — don’t have bullet trains either.”

Note that the US does have a high speed rail service, the Acela line between Washington and Boston with top speeds around 240 km/h. The California High Speed Rail lines are under construction right now, connecting San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Sacramento, though the complete network won’t be finished til 2033. In Canada, the HSR line from Windsor to Toronto was approved last year: though I do note that funding for it (like a lot of projects) has been recently halted due to a collapse in revenue from the dreaded lurgy.

Having said all that, Australia is not like California or NE USA, and it might well be the case that emissions can be more cheaply be ameliorated in other ways than HSR. I’m not an advocate: but I’m pointing out that this particular article appears to misrepresent the picture.

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Australia should abandon the idea of a bullet train and governments should stop wasting public money to study proposals, according to a new report by the Grattan Institute.’

We don’t really want a bullet train.

What we want is safe, reasonably fast, affordable and comfortable trains that can stick to a schedule.

Getting them to go at 300 kmh is not a magic spell that solves all the problems.

Although I’m no HSR fanatic, I can say that the main attraction is that in the future air travel will be less attactive because of the emissions. HSR is not aiming at replacing current trains: it is aiming to replace intercity flights. Leaving Brisbane out makes it a lot more feasible.

From the article:
“Australia’s population is small and spread over vast distances and the countries most like us — Canada and the US — don’t have bullet trains either.”

Note that the US does have a high speed rail service, the Acela line between Washington and Boston with top speeds around 240 km/h. The California High Speed Rail lines are under construction right now, connecting San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Sacramento, though the complete network won’t be finished til 2033. In Canada, the HSR line from Windsor to Toronto was approved last year: though I do note that funding for it (like a lot of projects) has been recently halted due to a collapse in revenue from the dreaded lurgy.

Having said all that, Australia is not like California or NE USA, and it might well be the case that emissions can be more cheaply be ameliorated in other ways than HSR. I’m not an advocate: but I’m pointing out that this particular article appears to misrepresent the picture.

Acela (AMTRAK) only own a small portion of the track where it can run at full speed. The rest of the lines they rent form freight companies and run at much slower speeds fitting in with other traffic. Having said that it is the only AMTRAK service that is profitable. It is usually considered as medium speed rather than high speed, even on its fastest section.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

TB.

Nope, BCG is intradermal injection. Just the top layers of skin.

Smallpox vaccine, the skin is pricked several times to introduce a droplet of vaccine. Leaves a small scar.

Because you actually develop cowpox at the site.

I’ve had cow pox.

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

TB.

Nope, BCG is intradermal injection. Just the top layers of skin.

Smallpox vaccine, the skin is pricked several times to introduce a droplet of vaccine. Leaves a small scar.

I think that is called variolation. But the BCG scarred too. I have a BCG scar. I never had a smallpox vaccination/variolation. (I do scar quite well though. And 50 years on it’s difficult to find. But it is still there)

Michael V said:

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

said by reporter at the daily mail.

still, it was said, quoted, then used, from there

anyway, how many people here know anyone that’s had a life changing experience from a vaccine, few i’d guess, if any

Well, I didn’t get polio. I know people who did.

i’m pro vaccination, just I don’t believe this polarization them verses us works, pointing calling whoever stupid works, it probably feeds the siege thing, counterproductive

re the realities of risk for individuals, it’s probably instructive to imagine you’re writing the warnings (and liability disclaimers) that go with medications, including vaccines

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

The straightforward way is all deaths of people diagnosed as having coronavirus, ignoring any other deadly disease that they may have at the time. Every country is using the straightforward way.

How do you know that?

In fact, we know it is not correct.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/2020/04/20/fact-check-are-hospitals-reporting-all-deaths-as-covid-19-related/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-guidelines-covid19/

On the other hand there have been several cases where legislatures have acted to minimise the Covid-19 death count.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/08/whats-in-the-censored-florida-medical-examiners-database-of-covid-19-deaths/

In general there is likely an undercount of Covid-19 deaths, because of people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/flu-deaths-overestimated-coronavirus-deaths-undercounted-report-2020-5?r=US&IR=T
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-deaths/

> In general there is likely an undercount of Covid-19 deaths, because of people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem.

Which exactly proves my point. That’s exactly what I said. Only China and Spain have adjusted their figures to allow for people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem. All countries death figures have exactly the same fault, and are therefore comparable.

The only countries whose death data I positively distrust are North Korea (no deaths reported) and the USA (because the coronavirus doesn’t kill anyone on Sundays).

As for Canada. Good news at last.

Previously, my best estimate of Canada’s mortality rate was 9.5% and rising.
Now that’s slipped back to a steady mortality rate of 8.7±0.1%.

Now for Mexico. Best estimate in the last report was 16.5±4%. This has now firmed up enormously. It’s now 16.3±1.5%.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

TB.

Nope, BCG is intradermal injection. Just the top layers of skin.

Smallpox vaccine, the skin is pricked several times to introduce a droplet of vaccine. Leaves a small scar.

I think that is called variolation. But the BCG scarred too. I have a BCG scar. I never had a smallpox vaccination/variolation. (I do scar quite well though. And 50 years on it’s difficult to find. But it is still there)

maybe there are more than 1 immunisations that cause scarring

mollwollfumble said:

That’s exactly what I said.

No it isn’t

mollwollfumble said:

Only China and Spain have adjusted their figures to allow for people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem. All countries death figures have exactly the same fault, and are therefore comparable.

Even if it is true that “Only China and Spain have adjusted their figures to allow for people dying at home …”, it in no way follows that “All (other) countries death figures have exactly the same fault, and are therefore comparable.”

dv said:

for example, consider this piece of Self-Centred Exceptionalist Entertainment, continuing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-25/coronavirus-cover-up-is-china-chernobyl-white-house-wuhan/12282714

Beijing knew what was happening with the virus, which originated in Wuhan, from November, but lied to the World Health Organization and prevented outside experts from accessing information.

“They unleashed a virus on the world that’s destroyed trillions of dollars in American economic wealth that we’re having to spend to keep our economy alive, to keep Americans afloat during this virus,” Mr O’Brien said.

“The cover-up that they did of the virus is going to go down in history, along with Chernobyl.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

That’s exactly what I said.

No it isn’t

mollwollfumble said:

Only China and Spain have adjusted their figures to allow for people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem. All countries death figures have exactly the same fault, and are therefore comparable.

Even if it is true that “Only China and Spain have adjusted their figures to allow for people dying at home …”, it in no way follows that “All (other) countries death figures have exactly the same fault, and are therefore comparable.”

maybe they can be comparably trusted oh yes, but it’s not “China and Spain” in a bucket, it’s “everyone is dT time behind and takes dT to realise that what looks like error or dishonesty is in fact unavoidable reality by the end of that dT”

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

for example, consider this piece of Self-Centred Exceptionalist Entertainment, continuing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-25/coronavirus-cover-up-is-china-chernobyl-white-house-wuhan/12282714

Beijing knew what was happening with the virus, which originated in Wuhan, from November, but lied to the World Health Organization and prevented outside experts from accessing information.

“They unleashed a virus on the world that’s destroyed trillions of dollars in American economic wealth that we’re having to spend to keep our economy alive, to keep Americans afloat during this virus,” Mr O’Brien said.

“The cover-up that they did of the virus is going to go down in history, along with Chernobyl.

You have a duty to mitigate your losses. The USA has failed at this miserably. They made a bad situation much worse than it needed to be.

A bloke on the wireless who is from the Aust university that are starting human trials of a vaccine soon was saying that conv19 has some highly unusual properties that suggest it may not have originated in the wild.

The front page of yesterday’s NY Times was confronting, but the online version is heartbreaking.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/24/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-100000.html

dv said:

Taking his potentially infected/infectious child to stay with his elderly grandparents. Driving across the country while he himself was potentially infected or infectious and putting other lives at risk at whatever places he stopped for petrol or refreshments along the way. His wife was known to be infected at this time, therefore there was a good chance that he or his children were infected too. He should have been in total isolation as close contact of an infected person.

One rule for them, another rule for everyone else.

Peak Warming Man said:

A bloke on the wireless who is from the Aust university that are starting human trials of a vaccine soon was saying that conv19 has some highly unusual properties that suggest it may not have originated in the wild.

Yes, The French American Soldiers Set Them Up, Yes

dv said:

‘merican voters, by the look of it.

Civil Service Tweet Goes Viral: ‘Arrogant And Offensive. Can You Imagine Having To Work With These Truth Twisters?’

Those two critical omissions could form part of the explanation for a heartfelt, career-ending, short-lived tweet sent out from the official U.K. Civil Service Twitter feed.

The tweet—which quickly went viral—was posted shortly after the end of the widely-derided briefing by the Prime Minister, who backed his chief advisor Dominic Cummings for having good “instincts” in breaking both lockdown and quarantine during a 260-mile drive from London to the North East England cathedral city of Durham.

The message—“Arrogant and offensive. Can you imagine having to work with these truth twisters?”—was removed within about 10 minutes of first appearing, but not before it had been “liked” by more than 30,000 Twitter users. It has been archived for posterity, and to head off claims it was “Photoshopped.”

During the briefing the Prime Minister was asked about evidence that Cummings had been seen in the County Durham town of Barnard Castle during the height of the lockdown, which would be a clear breach of the government’s guidelines, guidelines in part developed by Cummings who has contributed to the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) coronavirus crisis meetings.

“An unauthorised tweet was posted on a government channel this evening,” said the U.K. government’s Cabinet Office Twitter account. (The Cabinet Office is the government department responsible for supporting the Prime Minister and ministers in his top-table team.)

Peak Warming Man said:

A bloke on the wireless who is from the Aust university that are starting human trials of a vaccine soon was saying that conv19 has some highly unusual properties that suggest it may not have originated in the wild.

It’s not very often I hold the opinion that scientists need to stop running their mouths off in the media, but here we are.

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A bloke on the wireless who is from the Aust university that are starting human trials of a vaccine soon was saying that conv19 has some highly unusual properties that suggest it may not have originated in the wild.

It’s not very often I hold the opinion that scientists need to stop running their mouths off in the media, but here we are.

Maybe he just needs a refresher on gene mutation. And randomness.

dv said:

Civil Service Tweet Goes Viral: ‘Arrogant And Offensive. Can You Imagine Having To Work With These Truth Twisters?’

Those two critical omissions could form part of the explanation for a heartfelt, career-ending, short-lived tweet sent out from the official U.K. Civil Service Twitter feed.

The tweet—which quickly went viral—was posted shortly after the end of the widely-derided briefing by the Prime Minister, who backed his chief advisor Dominic Cummings for having good “instincts” in breaking both lockdown and quarantine during a 260-mile drive from London to the North East England cathedral city of Durham.

The message—“Arrogant and offensive. Can you imagine having to work with these truth twisters?”—was removed within about 10 minutes of first appearing, but not before it had been “liked” by more than 30,000 Twitter users. It has been archived for posterity, and to head off claims it was “Photoshopped.”

During the briefing the Prime Minister was asked about evidence that Cummings had been seen in the County Durham town of Barnard Castle during the height of the lockdown, which would be a clear breach of the government’s guidelines, guidelines in part developed by Cummings who has contributed to the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) coronavirus crisis meetings.

“An unauthorised tweet was posted on a government channel this evening,” said the U.K. government’s Cabinet Office Twitter account. (The Cabinet Office is the government department responsible for supporting the Prime Minister and ministers in his top-table team.)

JK Rowling later tweeted she wanted their name so she can pay them a year’s salary.

All West Australian regional travel bans, except the Kimberley and some remote areas, will be lifted in time for the WA Day long weekend, the State Government has announced.

Meanwhile, WA has reported four new cases of coronavirus overnight, bringing the state’s total to 564.

It takes the number of active cases in the state to six.

—

oooh missing the boat hey so to speak

—

The four cases came from one Victorian family who returned from overseas on May 17 and were required to quarantine in a Perth hotel before flying home.

“The two parents and two teenage children flew into Perth from Doha on the 17th of May, on Qatar flight QR900,” Health Minister Roger Cook said.

—

oh it’s imported, lucky there are some external travel restrictions in place then we guess, maybe like the ones keeping dirty New South Welshjokers out

SCIENCE said:

All West Australian regional travel bans, except the Kimberley and some remote areas, will be lifted in time for the WA Day long weekend, the State Government has announced.

Meanwhile, WA has reported four new cases of coronavirus overnight, bringing the state’s total to 564.

It takes the number of active cases in the state to six.

—

oooh missing the boat hey so to speak

—

The four cases came from one Victorian family who returned from overseas on May 17 and were required to quarantine in a Perth hotel before flying home.

“The two parents and two teenage children flew into Perth from Doha on the 17th of May, on Qatar flight QR900,” Health Minister Roger Cook said.

—

oh it’s imported, lucky there are some external travel restrictions in place then we guess, maybe like the ones keeping dirty New South Welshjokers out

The New South Welshjokers will just have to do their mandatory 14 days quarantine in a cheao hotel like everyone else.

dv said:

Civil Service Tweet Goes Viral: ‘Arrogant And Offensive. Can You Imagine Having To Work With These Truth Twisters?’

Those two critical omissions could form part of the explanation for a heartfelt, career-ending, short-lived tweet sent out from the official U.K. Civil Service Twitter feed.

The tweet—which quickly went viral—was posted shortly after the end of the widely-derided briefing by the Prime Minister, who backed his chief advisor Dominic Cummings for having good “instincts” in breaking both lockdown and quarantine during a 260-mile drive from London to the North East England cathedral city of Durham.

The message—“Arrogant and offensive. Can you imagine having to work with these truth twisters?”—was removed within about 10 minutes of first appearing, but not before it had been “liked” by more than 30,000 Twitter users. It has been archived for posterity, and to head off claims it was “Photoshopped.”

During the briefing the Prime Minister was asked about evidence that Cummings had been seen in the County Durham town of Barnard Castle during the height of the lockdown, which would be a clear breach of the government’s guidelines, guidelines in part developed by Cummings who has contributed to the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) coronavirus crisis meetings.

“An unauthorised tweet was posted on a government channel this evening,” said the U.K. government’s Cabinet Office Twitter account. (The Cabinet Office is the government department responsible for supporting the Prime Minister and ministers in his top-table team.)

The news has it that JK Rowling has asked the OP to contact her on the promise that she would pay him/her a years salary as a reward.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Civil Service Tweet Goes Viral: ‘Arrogant And Offensive. Can You Imagine Having To Work With These Truth Twisters?’

Those two critical omissions could form part of the explanation for a heartfelt, career-ending, short-lived tweet sent out from the official U.K. Civil Service Twitter feed.

The tweet—which quickly went viral—was posted shortly after the end of the widely-derided briefing by the Prime Minister, who backed his chief advisor Dominic Cummings for having good “instincts” in breaking both lockdown and quarantine during a 260-mile drive from London to the North East England cathedral city of Durham.

The message—“Arrogant and offensive. Can you imagine having to work with these truth twisters?”—was removed within about 10 minutes of first appearing, but not before it had been “liked” by more than 30,000 Twitter users. It has been archived for posterity, and to head off claims it was “Photoshopped.”

During the briefing the Prime Minister was asked about evidence that Cummings had been seen in the County Durham town of Barnard Castle during the height of the lockdown, which would be a clear breach of the government’s guidelines, guidelines in part developed by Cummings who has contributed to the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) coronavirus crisis meetings.

“An unauthorised tweet was posted on a government channel this evening,” said the U.K. government’s Cabinet Office Twitter account. (The Cabinet Office is the government department responsible for supporting the Prime Minister and ministers in his top-table team.)

JK Rowling later tweeted she wanted their name so she can pay them a year’s salary.

Ahh, I see the BUGF beat me by quite a bit.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A bloke on the wireless who is from the Aust university that are starting human trials of a vaccine soon was saying that conv19 has some highly unusual properties that suggest it may not have originated in the wild.

It’s not very often I hold the opinion that scientists need to stop running their mouths off in the media, but here we are.

Maybe he just needs a refresher on gene mutation. And randomness.

Bloody Victorian Sinophiles.

rats are back out on the Streets of Safety, and no longer found only in the political swamp

the planet is healing

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/24/us/cdc-coronavirus-rats.html

actually it says they’re starving so imagine the benefits of hygiene and other infection control measures, that might reduce the population of pests ¡¡¡

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

Are there more towns ending in “-up” in WA than any other state?
Is it Indigenous naming or any other explanation?

Probably.
Yes, it means “place of the ….” in the local language.

For example they might call Wall Street or the City of London “Swindleup”.

hence the expression popular in quarantine stations built on hills for lock downs, “shut up”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/act-now-ama-urges-health-education-to-combat-growing-anti-vaxxer-movement-20200525-p54w7b.html

AMA president Tony Bartone says government and media must “act now” to ensure immunisation science is communicated above and beyond conspiracy theories.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

How do you know that?

In fact, we know it is not correct.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/2020/04/20/fact-check-are-hospitals-reporting-all-deaths-as-covid-19-related/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-guidelines-covid19/

On the other hand there have been several cases where legislatures have acted to minimise the Covid-19 death count.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/08/whats-in-the-censored-florida-medical-examiners-database-of-covid-19-deaths/

In general there is likely an undercount of Covid-19 deaths, because of people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/flu-deaths-overestimated-coronavirus-deaths-undercounted-report-2020-5?r=US&IR=T
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-deaths/

> In general there is likely an undercount of Covid-19 deaths, because of people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem.

Which exactly proves my point. That’s exactly what I said. Only China and Spain have adjusted their figures to allow for people dying at home from the disease and not being tested postmortem. All countries death figures have exactly the same fault, and are therefore comparable.

The only countries whose death data I positively distrust are North Korea (no deaths reported) and the USA (because the coronavirus doesn’t kill anyone on Sundays).

As for Canada. Good news at last.

Previously, my best estimate of Canada’s mortality rate was 9.5% and rising.
Now that’s slipped back to a steady mortality rate of 8.7±0.1%.

Now for Mexico. Best estimate in the last report was 16.5±4%. This has now firmed up enormously. It’s now 16.3±1.5%.

I haven’t done Peru before. As it’s 12th in the world in total cases and moving up the chart, I needed to give it a decent analysis. Mortality rate 3.3±0.3%. A low mortality rate.

Compare that with other South American countries.
Brazil – 10.5%
Ecuador – 9.3%
Chile – haven’t done Chile yet.

dv said:

oo.

dv said:

very good :)

dv said:

Nice.

dv said:

I read a tweet the other day that speaks of how much he does to fake up. (like the hair and fake tan etc). in the tweet it says he wears ‘depends’. (adult nappies for incontinence). now I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it would certainly explain his massive arse and weird stance.

dv said:

he. very good also.

Arts said:

dv said:

I read a tweet the other day that speaks of how much he does to fake up. (like the hair and fake tan etc). in the tweet it says he wears ‘depends’. (adult nappies for incontinence). now I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it would certainly explain his massive arse and weird stance.

I would call that anterior pelvic tilt, and the other explanation (one which I have seen claimed several times) is lifts in his shoes.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

dv said:

I read a tweet the other day that speaks of how much he does to fake up. (like the hair and fake tan etc). in the tweet it says he wears ‘depends’. (adult nappies for incontinence). now I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it would certainly explain his massive arse and weird stance.

I would call that anterior pelvic tilt, and the other explanation (one which I have seen claimed several times) is lifts in his shoes.

yeah the wet talked about the shoe lifts too.. but also that older son of his also stands that way…

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

I read a tweet the other day that speaks of how much he does to fake up. (like the hair and fake tan etc). in the tweet it says he wears ‘depends’. (adult nappies for incontinence). now I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it would certainly explain his massive arse and weird stance.

I would call that anterior pelvic tilt, and the other explanation (one which I have seen claimed several times) is lifts in his shoes.

yeah the wet talked about the shoe lifts too.. but also that older son of his also stands that way…

Autism. Not even kidding. Walking & standing on the balls of the feet is a very common sign in boys.

Another explanation is adaptive shortening of the Achilles tendon from overuse. I’m sure you can understand why I wouldn’t lean toward that explanation.

Squeezy might have even more…

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

I would call that anterior pelvic tilt, and the other explanation (one which I have seen claimed several times) is lifts in his shoes.

yeah the wet talked about the shoe lifts too.. but also that older son of his also stands that way…

Autism. Not even kidding. Walking & standing on the balls of the feet is a very common sign in boys.

Another explanation is adaptive shortening of the Achilles tendon from overuse. I’m sure you can understand why I wouldn’t lean toward that explanation.

Squeezy might have even more…

maybe they both wear depends…

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

yeah the wet talked about the shoe lifts too.. but also that older son of his also stands that way…

Autism. Not even kidding. Walking & standing on the balls of the feet is a very common sign in boys.

Another explanation is adaptive shortening of the Achilles tendon from overuse. I’m sure you can understand why I wouldn’t lean toward that explanation.

Squeezy might have even more…

maybe they both wear depends…

Maybe.

I slightly related news, I’m apparently not allowed to call the chick who fell asleep and peed on the couch in the hotel room after the Christmas party ‘Puddles’ because she’s been having incontinence problems since the birth of her first child.

>supinates hands, shakes head<

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Autism. Not even kidding. Walking & standing on the balls of the feet is a very common sign in boys.

Another explanation is adaptive shortening of the Achilles tendon from overuse. I’m sure you can understand why I wouldn’t lean toward that explanation.

Squeezy might have even more…

maybe they both wear depends…

Maybe.

I slightly related news, I’m apparently not allowed to call the chick who fell asleep and peed on the couch in the hotel room after the Christmas party ‘Puddles’ because she’s been having incontinence problems since the birth of her first child.

>supinates hands, shakes head<

I would agree with whoever placed that band on you

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

maybe they both wear depends…

Maybe.

I slightly related news, I’m apparently not allowed to call the chick who fell asleep and peed on the couch in the hotel room after the Christmas party ‘Puddles’ because she’s been having incontinence problems since the birth of her first child.

>supinates hands, shakes head<

I would agree with whoever placed that band on you

Thank you, Mrs PC Police.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Maybe.

I slightly related news, I’m apparently not allowed to call the chick who fell asleep and peed on the couch in the hotel room after the Christmas party ‘Puddles’ because she’s been having incontinence problems since the birth of her first child.

>supinates hands, shakes head<

I would agree with whoever placed that band on you

Thank you, Mrs PC Police.

I think it’s a bit mean to play on that.. but you know, do you.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

I would agree with whoever placed that band on you

Thank you, Mrs PC Police.

I think it’s a bit mean to play on that.. but you know, do you.

Yeah, I didn’t think it was mean until I heard about the incontinence thing, but then I was all like “Ugh, OK, so I probably can’t pick on her about that” except then she refused to pay for the replacement of the leather couch, so now we have to pay for it because the room was booked by MrsRule, so now I don’t know how to feel, except maybe Puddles could take some responsibility for the reasonably predictable outcomes of her behaviour.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Thank you, Mrs PC Police.

I think it’s a bit mean to play on that.. but you know, do you.

Yeah, I didn’t think it was mean until I heard about the incontinence thing, but then I was all like “Ugh, OK, so I probably can’t pick on her about that” except then she refused to pay for the replacement of the leather couch, so now we have to pay for it because the room was booked by MrsRule, so now I don’t know how to feel, except maybe Puddles could take some responsibility for the reasonably predictable outcomes of her behaviour.

so you get a new leather couch at your place?

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

I think it’s a bit mean to play on that.. but you know, do you.

Yeah, I didn’t think it was mean until I heard about the incontinence thing, but then I was all like “Ugh, OK, so I probably can’t pick on her about that” except then she refused to pay for the replacement of the leather couch, so now we have to pay for it because the room was booked by MrsRule, so now I don’t know how to feel, except maybe Puddles could take some responsibility for the reasonably predictable outcomes of her behaviour.

so you get a new leather couch at your place?

No.

This lady owes you for the couch, end of. Tis a shame she has PPI but a) it’s pretty common and b) she has to take responsibility for dealing with it.

dv said:

This lady owes you for the couch, end of. Tis a shame she has PPI but a) it’s pretty common and b) she has to take responsibility for dealing with it.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

My good wife has decided to let it slide – I would have supported her either way.

Still gunna call the chick Puddles.

“We will all have to retrain to live and work in a way that creates a sustainable COVIDSafe economy and society.”

—

easy, one component of this will be infrastructure to transition to renewable energy, but chances they have the wisdom to do it, low

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

What’s the injection one that used to cause a small scar? I think it was smallpox.

round pockmark.

“It is the east, and Juliet is the Sun”

(sorry, couldn’t help myself)

The Dutch agriculture ministry says it has found what it believes to be a second case of a human becoming infected with coronavirus after coming into contact with a mink that had the virus.

In a letter to parliament, Minister Carola Schouten repeated that the country’s National Institute for Health believes the risk of animal-to-human transmission of the virus outside the farms on which they are kept is “negligible”.

On April 26 the Dutch Government reported mink on a farm in the south of the country had been found to have the disease, prompting a wider investigation of such farms, where mink are bred for their fur.

Last week the Government reported its first suspected case of mink-to-human transmission.

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negligible, Nothing To See Here, next you’ll be hearing from these Dirty Dutch Northeast Tibetans that this virus doesn’t have any human to human transmission

party_pants said:

dv said:

Taking his potentially infected/infectious child to stay with his elderly grandparents. Driving across the country while he himself was potentially infected or infectious and putting other lives at risk at whatever places he stopped for petrol or refreshments along the way. His wife was known to be infected at this time, therefore there was a good chance that he or his children were infected too. He should have been in total isolation as close contact of an infected person.

One rule for them, another rule for everyone else.

He came up with the infamous “take back control” catchphrase and honed in on a growing sense of nationalism.

He was also responsible for the famous red bus seen travelling around London with the slogan: “We send the EU £350 million a week: let’s fund our NHS instead.”

While that figure turned out to be an outrageous lie (the figure was actually much less), Mr Cummings still managed to use his message to beat a powerful government machine with plenty of funds and clout at its disposal.

—

speaking of “take back control”…

“Waverley College, in Sydney’s east, has recorded a positive case of COVID-19, just one day after students across the New South Wales returned to classrooms full-time.”

That worked well…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/nsw-coronavirus-case-at-sydney-school-waverley-college/12284242

Michael V said:

“Waverley College, in Sydney’s east, has recorded a positive case of COVID-19, just one day after students across the New South Wales returned to classrooms full-time.”

That worked well…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/nsw-coronavirus-case-at-sydney-school-waverley-college/12284242

more importantly do they know where it came from

but yes, rush rush rush that’s all these marketing jackasses do

• more importantly do they know where it came from

China…

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Waverley College, in Sydney’s east, has recorded a positive case of COVID-19, just one day after students across the New South Wales returned to classrooms full-time.”

That worked well…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/nsw-coronavirus-case-at-sydney-school-waverley-college/12284242

more importantly do they know where it came from

but yes, rush rush rush that’s all these marketing jackasses do

It was a State decision.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Waverley College, in Sydney’s east, has recorded a positive case of COVID-19, just one day after students across the New South Wales returned to classrooms full-time.”

That worked well…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/nsw-coronavirus-case-at-sydney-school-waverley-college/12284242

more importantly do they know where it came from

but yes, rush rush rush that’s all these marketing jackasses do

Well, presumably not from the school.

transition said:

LOLOL

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Waverley College, in Sydney’s east, has recorded a positive case of COVID-19, just one day after students across the New South Wales returned to classrooms full-time.”

That worked well…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/nsw-coronavirus-case-at-sydney-school-waverley-college/12284242

more importantly do they know where it came from

but yes, rush rush rush that’s all these marketing jackasses do

It was a State decision.

After two months of remote learning, Monday marked the first day of full-time schooling in NSW for children in the public education system.

However, Waverley College, a Catholic day school for boys from years five to 12, was under no obligation to have students back on campus full-time this week.

—

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-payday-gives-nsw-private-schools-reward-to-return-to-class-20200428-p54o1d.html

Private schools will be given financial rewards to restart classroom teaching within four weeks under a federal plan to use an advance from the sector’s $13 billion in annual funding to demolish resistance to face-to-face learning.

—

any other questions¿

what next, West Taiwanese spies arranged for this case to test positive on this fine day ¿

furious said:

• more importantly do they know where it came from

China…

Yes but in seriousness if we are going to contain this problem locally, you know what we mean. Was it a returned traveller ¿ a known contact ? a case of community transmission ¿ this is important.

“The Premier said the woman from Cairns, who’d been diagnosed with the illness, had previously been a passenger on the Ruby Princess cruise ship.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That took a long time.

Or has that case been transferred from another state?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-queensland-palaszczuk-responds-birmingham-comments/12277108

Michael V said:

“The Premier said the woman from Cairns, who’d been diagnosed with the illness, had previously been a passenger on the Ruby Princess cruise ship.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That took a long time.

Or has that case been transferred from another state?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-queensland-palaszczuk-responds-birmingham-comments/12277108

Yeah I was just thinking the same thing.

Michael V said:

“The Premier said the woman from Cairns, who’d been diagnosed with the illness, had previously been a passenger on the Ruby Princess cruise ship.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That took a long time.

Or has that case been transferred from another state?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-queensland-palaszczuk-responds-birmingham-comments/12277108

Simon Birmingham, go and talk to your own Premier in South Australia and get that sorted first before you start commenting on other jurisdictions.

not ever been a strong supporter but approval for the Anastasia did go up a bit here

also

“Our tourism industry employs around one in 13 Australians,” Senator Birmingham said.

very good, then how about we spread some more infectious disease around, that should get more employment opportunities in the actual largest industry, HEALTH

https://australianjobs.employment.gov.au/jobs-industry/industry-overview

Health Care and Social Assistance (1,685,100).
Retail Trade (1,272,300).
Construction (1,166,900).
Professional, Scientific and Technical Services (1,082,100).
Education and Training (1,035,400).

other ideas

more online shopping and delivery
build more infrastructure
solve global warming
get more teachers because online classes are less efficient

If they really fkn cared about Australian Jobs, there’s a world of difference they could make right there.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

“The Premier said the woman from Cairns, who’d been diagnosed with the illness, had previously been a passenger on the Ruby Princess cruise ship.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That took a long time.

Or has that case been transferred from another state?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-queensland-palaszczuk-responds-birmingham-comments/12277108

Yeah I was just thinking the same thing.

“Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says contact tracing is underway.

“We’re monitoring that one very closely to work out if it’s directly related to the Ruby Princess or whether it has been acquired in Cairns some other way, but at the moment we are thinking it’s from the Ruby Princess,” she said.”

That’s one heck of a latency.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/12284496

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

“The Premier said the woman from Cairns, who’d been diagnosed with the illness, had previously been a passenger on the Ruby Princess cruise ship.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That took a long time.

Or has that case been transferred from another state?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-queensland-palaszczuk-responds-birmingham-comments/12277108

Yeah I was just thinking the same thing.

“Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says contact tracing is underway.

“We’re monitoring that one very closely to work out if it’s directly related to the Ruby Princess or whether it has been acquired in Cairns some other way, but at the moment we are thinking it’s from the Ruby Princess,” she said.”

That’s one heck of a latency.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/12284496

yeah was it

well beyond usual incubation ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/ )

some rounds of asymptomatic transmission

virus somehow stored in environment

asymptomatic so only screened late

concealment

¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/china-coronavirus-wuhan-testing-millions-in-10-days/12283202

Wuhan authorities on Monday said they had managed to test 9 million people within just 10 days.

Allen Cheng, director of the Infection Prevention and Healthcare Epidemiology unit at Alfred Health in Melbourne, told the ABC that Wuhan represented “an astounding amount of testing”.

Wu Zunyou, an epidemiologist from the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, told China’s state broadcaster CCTV that large-scale screening and testing was unnecessary.

Mr Wu said he believed the main battlefields were particular groups of people and vulnerable communities, rather than the public at large.

—

getting the epidemic under control is not necessary either, videlicet USUK, but it might be much better than the alternative, might even be useful and give us useful information

SCIENCE said:

getting the epidemic under control is not necessary either, videlicet USUK, but it might be much better than the alternative, might even be useful and give us useful information

I suppose nothing is necessary, really. Not even continued human existence.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

getting the epidemic under control is not necessary either, videlicet USUK, but it might be much better than the alternative, might even be useful and give us useful information

I suppose nothing is necessary, really. Not even continued human existence.

The universe will go on expanding and contracting without us.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

getting the epidemic under control is not necessary either, videlicet USUK, but it might be much better than the alternative, might even be useful and give us useful information

I suppose nothing is necessary, really. Not even continued human existence.

The universe will go on expanding and contracting without us.

But the universe would be faced with the “If a tree falls in the forest…” conundrum.

Now it is two:

Two Sydney schools have been closed after students tested positive for coronavirus…

furious said:

Now it is two:

Two Sydney schools have been closed after students tested positive for coronavirus…

The inevitable strikes again.

ACE2 receptors for SARS-CoV-2 in human eye

Seems it can probably spread through the eyes, particularly when some kind of eye disease is present.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200525/ACE2-receptors-for-SARS-CoV-2-in-human-eye.aspx

furious said:

Now it is two:

Two Sydney schools have been closed after students tested positive for coronavirus…

Dear-oh-dear.

Bubblecar said:

ACE2 receptors for SARS-CoV-2 in human eye

Seems it can probably spread through the eyes, particularly when some kind of eye disease is present.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200525/ACE2-receptors-for-SARS-CoV-2-in-human-eye.aspx

So please, stop doing this

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

ACE2 receptors for SARS-CoV-2 in human eye

Seems it can probably spread through the eyes, particularly when some kind of eye disease is present.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200525/ACE2-receptors-for-SARS-CoV-2-in-human-eye.aspx

So please, stop doing this

Do they see, eye to eye?

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

ACE2 receptors for SARS-CoV-2 in human eye

Seems it can probably spread through the eyes, particularly when some kind of eye disease is present.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200525/ACE2-receptors-for-SARS-CoV-2-in-human-eye.aspx

So please, stop doing this

Seeing eye to eye or floundering?

While discussing whether the U.S. economy might recover this fall after the coronavirus downturn, a Trump economic advisor referred to the American worker as “human capital stock.”
Senior White House Economic Adviser Kevin Hassett made the wildly insensitive remark, first flagged by Aaron Rupar on Twitter, on Sunday after CNN’s Dana Bash asked whether unemployment numbers would remain in double digits come November.
“Our capital stock hasn’t been destroyed, our human capital stock is ready to get back to work, and so there are lots of reasons to believe that we can get going way faster than we have in previous crises,” Hassett said.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-economic-advisor-hassett-human-capital-stock-1004909/

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

ACE2 receptors for SARS-CoV-2 in human eye

Seems it can probably spread through the eyes, particularly when some kind of eye disease is present.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200525/ACE2-receptors-for-SARS-CoV-2-in-human-eye.aspx

So please, stop doing this

OK.

dv said:

While discussing whether the U.S. economy might recover this fall after the coronavirus downturn, a Trump economic advisor referred to the American worker as “human capital stock.”
Senior White House Economic Adviser Kevin Hassett made the wildly insensitive remark, first flagged by Aaron Rupar on Twitter, on Sunday after CNN’s Dana Bash asked whether unemployment numbers would remain in double digits come November.
“Our capital stock hasn’t been destroyed, our human capital stock is ready to get back to work, and so there are lots of reasons to believe that we can get going way faster than we have in previous crises,” Hassett said.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-economic-advisor-hassett-human-capital-stock-1004909/

An American multinational I worked for referred to people as labour units.

dv said:

While discussing whether the U.S. economy might recover this fall after the coronavirus downturn, a Trump economic advisor referred to the American worker as “human capital stock.”
Senior White House Economic Adviser Kevin Hassett made the wildly insensitive remark, first flagged by Aaron Rupar on Twitter, on Sunday after CNN’s Dana Bash asked whether unemployment numbers would remain in double digits come November.
“Our capital stock hasn’t been destroyed, our human capital stock is ready to get back to work, and so there are lots of reasons to believe that we can get going way faster than we have in previous crises,” Hassett said.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-economic-advisor-hassett-human-capital-stock-1004909/

“Our capital stock hasn’t been destroyed, our human capital stock is ready to get back to work, and so there are lots of reasons to believe that we can get going way faster than we have in previous crises,” Hassett said.
…… ‘shame our leadership is something of a laughing stock’

ruby said:

dv said:

While discussing whether the U.S. economy might recover this fall after the coronavirus downturn, a Trump economic advisor referred to the American worker as “human capital stock.”
Senior White House Economic Adviser Kevin Hassett made the wildly insensitive remark, first flagged by Aaron Rupar on Twitter, on Sunday after CNN’s Dana Bash asked whether unemployment numbers would remain in double digits come November.
“Our capital stock hasn’t been destroyed, our human capital stock is ready to get back to work, and so there are lots of reasons to believe that we can get going way faster than we have in previous crises,” Hassett said.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-economic-advisor-hassett-human-capital-stock-1004909/

“Our capital stock hasn’t been destroyed, our human capital stock is ready to get back to work, and so there are lots of reasons to believe that we can get going way faster than we have in previous crises,” Hassett said.
…… ‘shame our leadership is something of a laughing stock’

Human stock:

Imagine, Woodstock

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/coronavirus-outbreak-on-live-export-ship-al-kuwait-in-fremantle/12287006

à somewhat more considered and compassionate response, well played WA

Packet soup and toast for afternoon tea. Used a hot knife for the butter just to find out what the fuss was all about. Underwhelming.

Peppered steak & Mushroom soup. It’s occurred to me that we have transcended mere ingredients and settled on flavours. I mean, nobody ever made soup from a peppered steak, did they?

Rule 303 said:

Packet soup and toast for afternoon tea. Used a hot knife for the butter just to find out what the fuss was all about. Underwhelming.

Peppered steak & Mushroom soup. It’s occurred to me that we have transcended mere ingredients and settled on flavours. I mean, nobody ever made soup from a peppered steak, did they?

Only if it had to feed a whole family.

Putting themselves further at odds with Mr Trump, WHO officials also renewed their praise for China’s response to the pandemic.

LOL

Peter V’Landys telling news outlets on the weekend the NRL was exploring the possibilities of bringing fans back.

“We’re on the moon,” V’landys told the Sydney Morning Herald on Sunday.

Correct, these whack jobs are off the planet, and they thought Greens in the city raving were the lunatics.

Coronavirus ‘dossier’ was a basic timeline of facts handed out by US State Department with no new evidence

Trump is an idiot, but fortunately that doesn’t make him right.

Rule 303 said:

Packet soup and toast for afternoon tea. Used a hot knife for the butter just to find out what the fuss was all about. Underwhelming.

Peppered steak & Mushroom soup. It’s occurred to me that we have transcended mere ingredients and settled on flavours. I mean, nobody ever made soup from a peppered steak, did they?

Use a butter keeper so your butter is always nice and soft.

Coronavirus ‘dossier’ was a basic timeline of facts handed out by US State Department with no new evidence

Trump is a very stable genius, but fortunately that doesn’t make him right.

Fixed, sorry.

SCIENCE said:

Coronavirus ‘dossier’ was a basic timeline of facts handed out by US State Department with no new evidence

Trump is a genius, and fortunately that makes him right.

Fixed, sorry.

Now it’s fixed

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Packet soup and toast for afternoon tea. Used a hot knife for the butter just to find out what the fuss was all about. Underwhelming.

Peppered steak & Mushroom soup. It’s occurred to me that we have transcended mere ingredients and settled on flavours. I mean, nobody ever made soup from a peppered steak, did they?

Use a butter keeper so your butter is always nice and soft.

That looks like fun.

Do you put water in the bowl?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Packet soup and toast for afternoon tea. Used a hot knife for the butter just to find out what the fuss was all about. Underwhelming.

Peppered steak & Mushroom soup. It’s occurred to me that we have transcended mere ingredients and settled on flavours. I mean, nobody ever made soup from a peppered steak, did they?

Use a butter keeper so your butter is always nice and soft.

That looks like fun.

Do you put water in the bowl?

Yes. That’s what makes a seal and keeps the butter fresh.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Use a butter keeper so your butter is always nice and soft.

That looks like fun.

Do you put water in the bowl?

Yes. That’s what makes a seal and keeps the butter fresh.

Excellent.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

That looks like fun.

Do you put water in the bowl?

Yes. That’s what makes a seal and keeps the butter fresh.

Excellent.

Only need about 10 mm of water.

so what do the armchair experts think about this situation, exemption to bypass infection controls, privacy versus life, and so forth

¿

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

SCIENCE said:

so what do the armchair experts think about this situation, exemption to bypass infection controls, privacy versus life, and so forth

¿

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

My maid came back with it and is isolated and I unfortunately can’t brook such behaviour and fired her

SCIENCE said:

so what do the armchair experts think about this situation, exemption to bypass infection controls, privacy versus life, and so forth

¿

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

I don’t want to be too reactive. We did expect that there would be more cases as we open up.

One of my coworkers is still extremely worried about getting it and has barely left home in weeks, the risk is probably quite low but the apparent risk is made out to be extremely high

Cymek said:

One of my coworkers is still extremely worried about getting it and has barely left home in weeks, the risk is probably quite low but the apparent risk is made out to be extremely high

An article on the ABC last week said if you have respiratory symptoms, it’s more likely to be COVID than cold or flu. Now, I’m no dr or virologist, ur that seems kind of alarmist.

The last man living in an iron lung. Contracted polio aged 6, now 74.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/26/last-iron-lung-paul-alexander-polio-coronavirus

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

That looks like fun.

Do you put water in the bowl?

Yes. That’s what makes a seal and keeps the butter fresh.

Excellent.

Thanks for that sibeen. I’d never heard of this before now.

SCIENCE said:

so what do the armchair experts think about this situation, exemption to bypass infection controls, privacy versus life, and so forth

¿

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

Not very impressive…

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Yes. That’s what makes a seal and keeps the butter fresh.

Excellent.

Thanks for that sibeen. I’d never heard of this before now.

I’d never heard of a French butter dish either.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Excellent.

Thanks for that sibeen. I’d never heard of this before now.

I’d never heard of a French butter dish either.

They’re grouse. We keep it in the cupboard and have soft butter all the time. :)

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so what do the armchair experts think about this situation, exemption to bypass infection controls, privacy versus life, and so forth

¿

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

Not very impressive…

Now I have read the article (and read between the lines), I’m OK with it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/south-australia-records-new-coronavirus-case/12287142

This is indeed odd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/victoria-coronavirus-cases-at-aged-care-home-in-melbourne/12285706

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Thanks for that sibeen. I’d never heard of this before now.

I’d never heard of a French butter dish either.

They’re grouse. We keep it in the cupboard and have soft butter all the time. :)

I may well have to get one.

Divine Angel said:

The last man living in an iron lung. Contracted polio aged 6, now 74.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/26/last-iron-lung-paul-alexander-polio-coronavirus

good story

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

so what do the armchair experts think about this situation, exemption to bypass infection controls, privacy versus life, and so forth

¿

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

I don’t want to be too reactive. We did expect that there would be more cases as we open up.

Clearly we need to be very careful who we exempt from quarantine.

Some of the stories that were coming out of WA a couple of weeks ago were just outrageous.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

so what do the armchair experts think about this situation, exemption to bypass infection controls, privacy versus life, and so forth

¿

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

I don’t want to be too reactive. We did expect that there would be more cases as we open up.

Clearly we need to be very careful who we exempt from quarantine.

Some of the stories that were coming out of WA a couple of weeks ago were just outrageous.

Meh. We refused Clive Palmer.

Sibeen will be happy to know out of 48 Covid positive results in this region, one was a false-positive.

Divine Angel said:

The last man living in an iron lung. Contracted polio aged 6, now 74.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/26/last-iron-lung-paul-alexander-polio-coronavirus

Ta, an interesting and well-written piece.

buffy said:

This is indeed odd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/victoria-coronavirus-cases-at-aged-care-home-in-melbourne/12285706

It’s a geek pun, the parity of POSITIVE – NEGATIVE is odd yes.

dv said:

All adults should seriously consider having a will. It’s dangerous out on the roads.

buffy said:

dv said:

All adults should seriously consider having a will. It’s dangerous out on the roads.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

dv said:

All adults should seriously consider having a will. It’s dangerous out on the roads.

As long as they’re not geriatric it shouldn’t be any worse than flu season…

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

All adults should seriously consider having a will. It’s dangerous out on the roads.

As long as they’re not geriatric it shouldn’t be any worse than flu season…

It’s already much worse than flu season

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

All adults should seriously consider having a will. It’s dangerous out on the roads.

As long as they’re not geriatric it shouldn’t be any worse than flu season…

like swine season
like wild boar season
like A(H1N1)pdm09* ‘flu’ season except young / female / pregnant / diabetic nurses don’t have access to SARS-CoV-2 immunisations

*: politically corrected

SCIENCE said:

Well, most of them are just immigrants anyway….

dv said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

As long as they’re not geriatric it shouldn’t be any worse than flu season…

It’s already much worse than flu season

Only marginally for the age group represented by nursing staff, it’s a codger killer, with some collateral for diseased younger people.

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

poikilotherm said:

As long as they’re not geriatric it shouldn’t be any worse than flu season…

It’s already much worse than flu season

Only marginally for the age group represented by nursing staff, it’s a codger killer, with some collateral for diseased younger people.

Morning joe was talking about the one thousand names that the New york Times printed. Apparently there was a real over representation of police officers, fire men and medics.

sarahs mum said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

It’s already much worse than flu season

Only marginally for the age group represented by nursing staff, it’s a codger killer, with some collateral for diseased younger people.

Morning joe was talking about the one thousand names that the New york Times printed. Apparently there was a real over representation of police officers, fire men and medics.

pffft probably old and gunna die anyway…

sarahs mum said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

It’s already much worse than flu season

Only marginally for the age group represented by nursing staff, it’s a codger killer, with some collateral for diseased younger people.

Morning joe was talking about the one thousand names that the New york Times printed. Apparently there was a real over representation of police officers, fire men and medics.

That’s how you get the feels.

sarahs mum said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

It’s already much worse than flu season

Only marginally for the age group represented by nursing staff, it’s a codger killer, with some collateral for diseased younger people.

Morning joe was talking about the one thousand names that the New york Times printed. Apparently there was a real over representation of police officers, fire men and medics.

D for Dangers. It’s the first bloody thing they learn.

Idiots.

dv said:

ROFL, well at least he tried :)

dv said:

Mansplaining levelling up.

dv said:

:)

I think I’ve now found mortality rates for just about everywhere of importance.

That’s:
Italy, USA, China, Korea, Australia, Spain, Germany, France, Israel, Canada, Austria, Turkey, Switzerland, UK, Portugal, Iran, Brazil, India, Russia, Japan, Ecuador, Pakistan, Philippines, Mexico, Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Peru.

Everything else is either similar to one of the above (eg. Belgium like France, Belarus like Russia),
Has too small a population or mortality rate to be a great influence (eg. Singapore, Qatar), or
Is too early to get anything reliable (eg. Nigeria).

My work here is done.

mollwollfumble said:

I think I’ve now found mortality rates for just about everywhere of importance.

That’s:
Italy, USA, China, Korea, Australia, Spain, Germany, France, Israel, Canada, Austria, Turkey, Switzerland, UK, Portugal, Iran, Brazil, India, Russia, Japan, Ecuador, Pakistan, Philippines, Mexico, Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Peru.

Everything else is either similar to one of the above (eg. Belgium like France, Belarus like Russia),
Has too small a population or mortality rate to be a great influence (eg. Singapore, Qatar), or
Is too early to get anything reliable (eg. Nigeria).

My work here is done.

Looks like it’s asymptoting to the vertical.

mollwollfumble said:

I think I’ve now found mortality rates for just about everywhere of importance.

That’s:
Italy, USA, China, Korea, Australia, Spain, Germany, France, Israel, Canada, Austria, Turkey, Switzerland, UK, Portugal, Iran, Brazil, India, Russia, Japan, Ecuador, Pakistan, Philippines, Mexico, Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Peru.

Everything else is either similar to one of the above (eg. Belgium like France, Belarus like Russia),
Has too small a population or mortality rate to be a great influence (eg. Singapore, Qatar), or
Is too early to get anything reliable (eg. Nigeria).

My work here is done.

thanks

We had the Royal Commission but apparently it’s a widespread problem. Probably not caused by COVID-19 either, no matter how sexy it is to blame West Taiwan.

Canadian soldiers helping to manage the coronavirus outbreak in seniors’ residences have witnessed some “deeply disturbing” scenes, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said, adding he was shocked and angry.

Long-term care homes account for around 80 per cent of all the deaths attributed to coronavirus in Canada. The situation is particularly bad in Ontario and Quebec, the two most populous provinces, where around 1,400 soldiers are working.

Mr Trudeau told a daily briefing the armed forces had compiled a report on their observations in Ontario.

“It is deeply disturbing. There are things in there that are extremely troubling and we need to take action,” he said.

That’s what you get for being generally expensive to maintain and not productive.

Oh look out! An african American is near me and telling me to leash my dog. Help Police!

Karen.

Booked in for a flu shot tomorrow.

I’ve caught a cold three times since lockdown began. One from reheating a taco shell from a taco kit.
Second time from mrs m who caught it from me.
Third time from walking on the footpath through an area in which three people had dawdled through, 20 seconds before me.
Was immune by third time.

But it just makes me realise how tight a proper lockdown has to be.

mollwollfumble said:

Booked in for a flu shot tomorrow.

I’ve caught a cold three times since lockdown began. One from reheating a taco shell from a taco kit.
Second time from mrs m who caught it from me.
Third time from walking on the footpath through an area in which three people had dawdled through, 20 seconds before me.
Was immune by third time.

But it just makes me realise how tight a proper lockdown has to be.

I’m about to head to Hamilton for a flu shot. They phoned half an hour ago and offered me an appointment. I’ve never had a flu shot before. But this will be a Good Thing. Now as soon as we can get accommodation in Melbourne, we can arrange a visit to Mum.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Booked in for a flu shot tomorrow.

I’ve caught a cold three times since lockdown began. One from reheating a taco shell from a taco kit.
Second time from mrs m who caught it from me.
Third time from walking on the footpath through an area in which three people had dawdled through, 20 seconds before me.
Was immune by third time.

But it just makes me realise how tight a proper lockdown has to be.

I’m about to head to Hamilton for a flu shot. They phoned half an hour ago and offered me an appointment. I’ve never had a flu shot before. But this will be a Good Thing. Now as soon as we can get accommodation in Melbourne, we can arrange a visit to Mum.

I remember getting a flu shot each winter before I trekked off to see my mum. I remember my sister and brother, working at a primary school, always managed to pass it on. Why Mum never got the shot I don’t know.

My GP has been pushing flu shots this season. I wonder how many other GPs have been doing it too. Whether the low flu numbers are not only because of social distancing but also because of effective flu shotting.

A 30-year-old man from Blackwater in Central Queensland has died with coronavirus, making him the youngest victim in Australia.

He died a short time later and a positive COVID-19 test was returned about 11:00pm.

Dr Young said the man was believed to have been sick with symptoms for several weeks and had a “complicated” medical history.

She said it was not known how he contracted the virus but he has become the “youngest” victim in Australia.

The 30-year-old man never went in for testing despite being unwell for weeks

There have been no prior cases in Blackwater, raising concerns for authorities

Emerald GP Dr Ewen McPhee said the region is prepared to respond to any potential community transmission.

“We need to get out there and start case finding,” he said.

“Because when you have potential community transmission, you want to pick up people early, you want to make sure that people with any respiratory symptoms stay at home.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-testing-queensland-death-dies/12287058

have we started on the random asymptomatic community screening a la partial Wuhan yet

because this kind of thing would suggest that unless we get on with that kind of thing it’s never going to end and we’ll have a “look and will find” situation

we’d hope that they had a handle on this kind of thing before big restriction-lifting kidding around but hey, we don’t make Them Big Decisions around here

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Booked in for a flu shot tomorrow.

I’ve caught a cold three times since lockdown began. One from reheating a taco shell from a taco kit.
Second time from mrs m who caught it from me.
Third time from walking on the footpath through an area in which three people had dawdled through, 20 seconds before me.
Was immune by third time.

But it just makes me realise how tight a proper lockdown has to be.

I’m about to head to Hamilton for a flu shot. They phoned half an hour ago and offered me an appointment. I’ve never had a flu shot before. But this will be a Good Thing. Now as soon as we can get accommodation in Melbourne, we can arrange a visit to Mum.

I remember getting a flu shot each winter before I trekked off to see my mum. I remember my sister and brother, working at a primary school, always managed to pass it on. Why Mum never got the shot I don’t know.

My GP has been pushing flu shots this season. I wonder how many other GPs have been doing it too. Whether the low flu numbers are not only because of social distancing but also because of effective flu shotting.

Plus the extra (over the top ?) cleaning of numerous surfaces

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I’m about to head to Hamilton for a flu shot. They phoned half an hour ago and offered me an appointment. I’ve never had a flu shot before. But this will be a Good Thing. Now as soon as we can get accommodation in Melbourne, we can arrange a visit to Mum.

I remember getting a flu shot each winter before I trekked off to see my mum. I remember my sister and brother, working at a primary school, always managed to pass it on. Why Mum never got the shot I don’t know.

My GP has been pushing flu shots this season. I wonder how many other GPs have been doing it too. Whether the low flu numbers are not only because of social distancing but also because of effective flu shotting.

Plus the extra (over the top ?) cleaning of numerous surfaces

yeah.

Littleproud calls for ‘leadership, not politics’
Federal Agriculture Minister David Littleproud expressed disappointment with Mr McGowan’s handling of the issue.

“What the public want is leadership, not politics,” Mr Littleproud told ABC Radio Perth.

LOL

(context)

WA Premier Mark McGowan initially lashed out at the Commonwealth’s handling of the issue, claiming the federal Agriculture Department and Australian Border Force (ABF) knew days in advance of health issues on board the ship but had kept the state in the dark.

But the State Government last night admitted claims it made were incorrect, after an email from the Agriculture Department to WA Health emerged showing West Australian officials had been told of some issues on board the ship.

SCIENCE said:

A 30-year-old man from Blackwater in Central Queensland has died with coronavirus, making him the youngest victim in Australia.

He died a short time later and a positive COVID-19 test was returned about 11:00pm.

Dr Young said the man was believed to have been sick with symptoms for several weeks and had a “complicated” medical history.

She said it was not known how he contracted the virus but he has become the “youngest” victim in Australia.

The 30-year-old man never went in for testing despite being unwell for weeks

There have been no prior cases in Blackwater, raising concerns for authorities

Emerald GP Dr Ewen McPhee said the region is prepared to respond to any potential community transmission.

“We need to get out there and start case finding,” he said.

“Because when you have potential community transmission, you want to pick up people early, you want to make sure that people with any respiratory symptoms stay at home.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-testing-queensland-death-dies/12287058

have we started on the random asymptomatic community screening a la partial Wuhan yet

because this kind of thing would suggest that unless we get on with that kind of thing it’s never going to end and we’ll have a “look and will find” situation

we’d hope that they had a handle on this kind of thing before big restriction-lifting kidding around but hey, we don’t make Them Big Decisions around here

It’s a strange case. They say he had not left Blackwater since February, so it seems he may have caught it elsewhere. They are saying his wife is also showing symptoms and is currently in isolation. It’s understandable why it took so long for him to be diagnosed as he had other medical conditions, so I presume he avoided hospitals whenever he could.

SCIENCE said:

Littleproud calls for ‘leadership, not politics’
Federal Agriculture Minister David Littleproud expressed disappointment with Mr McGowan’s handling of the issue.

“What the public want is leadership, not politics,” Mr Littleproud told ABC Radio Perth.

LOL

(context)

WA Premier Mark McGowan initially lashed out at the Commonwealth’s handling of the issue, claiming the federal Agriculture Department and Australian Border Force (ABF) knew days in advance of health issues on board the ship but had kept the state in the dark.

But the State Government last night admitted claims it made were incorrect, after an email from the Agriculture Department to WA Health emerged showing West Australian officials had been told of some issues on board the ship.

Sounds like a Hobbit surname

Speedy said:

SCIENCE said:

A 30-year-old man from Blackwater in Central Queensland has died with coronavirus, making him the youngest victim in Australia.

He died a short time later and a positive COVID-19 test was returned about 11:00pm.

Dr Young said the man was believed to have been sick with symptoms for several weeks and had a “complicated” medical history.

She said it was not known how he contracted the virus but he has become the “youngest” victim in Australia.

The 30-year-old man never went in for testing despite being unwell for weeks

There have been no prior cases in Blackwater, raising concerns for authorities

Emerald GP Dr Ewen McPhee said the region is prepared to respond to any potential community transmission.

“We need to get out there and start case finding,” he said.

“Because when you have potential community transmission, you want to pick up people early, you want to make sure that people with any respiratory symptoms stay at home.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-testing-queensland-death-dies/12287058

have we started on the random asymptomatic community screening a la partial Wuhan yet

because this kind of thing would suggest that unless we get on with that kind of thing it’s never going to end and we’ll have a “look and will find” situation

we’d hope that they had a handle on this kind of thing before big restriction-lifting kidding around but hey, we don’t make Them Big Decisions around here

It’s a strange case. They say he had not left Blackwater since February, so it seems he may have caught it elsewhere. They are saying his wife is also showing symptoms and is currently in isolation. It’s understandable why it took so long for him to be diagnosed as he had other medical conditions, so I presume he avoided hospitals whenever he could.

Often the symptoms of the other conditions mask the true illness.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Littleproud calls for ‘leadership, not politics’
Federal Agriculture Minister David Littleproud expressed disappointment with Mr McGowan’s handling of the issue.

“What the public want is leadership, not politics,” Mr Littleproud told ABC Radio Perth.

LOL

(context)

WA Premier Mark McGowan initially lashed out at the Commonwealth’s handling of the issue, claiming the federal Agriculture Department and Australian Border Force (ABF) knew days in advance of health issues on board the ship but had kept the state in the dark.

But the State Government last night admitted claims it made were incorrect, after an email from the Agriculture Department to WA Health emerged showing West Australian officials had been told of some issues on board the ship.

Sounds like a Hobbit surname

Or from the Discwworld.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Littleproud calls for ‘leadership, not politics’

WA Premier Mark McGowan initially lashed out at the Commonwealth’s handling of the issue,

Sounds like a Hobbit surname

Or from the Discwwworld.

mmm must have been about 20 years since we last read Tez might have to start again

Tamb said:

Speedy said:

SCIENCE said:

A 30-year-old man from Blackwater in Central Queensland has died with coronavirus, making him the youngest victim in Australia.

He died a short time later and a positive COVID-19 test was returned about 11:00pm.

Dr Young said the man was believed to have been sick with symptoms for several weeks and had a “complicated” medical history.

She said it was not known how he contracted the virus but he has become the “youngest” victim in Australia.

The 30-year-old man never went in for testing despite being unwell for weeks

There have been no prior cases in Blackwater, raising concerns for authorities

Emerald GP Dr Ewen McPhee said the region is prepared to respond to any potential community transmission.

“We need to get out there and start case finding,” he said.

“Because when you have potential community transmission, you want to pick up people early, you want to make sure that people with any respiratory symptoms stay at home.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-testing-queensland-death-dies/12287058

have we started on the random asymptomatic community screening a la partial Wuhan yet

because this kind of thing would suggest that unless we get on with that kind of thing it’s never going to end and we’ll have a “look and will find” situation

we’d hope that they had a handle on this kind of thing before big restriction-lifting kidding around but hey, we don’t make Them Big Decisions around here

It’s a strange case. They say he had not left Blackwater since February, so it seems he may have caught it elsewhere. They are saying his wife is also showing symptoms and is currently in isolation. It’s understandable why it took so long for him to be diagnosed as he had other medical conditions, so I presume he avoided hospitals whenever he could.

Often the symptoms of the other conditions mask the true illness.

Yes, and it also works in reverse. It took doctors a total of 10 days of my mum being in hospital to correctly diagnose her emphysema. If COVID-19 was not a factor, and if she hadn’t spent so much time in the “COVID Query” Ward she could have had her diagnosis much sooner. At least in her case it made little difference to her overall outcome, unless that is, she has caught COVID while in hospital.

Speedy said:

SCIENCE said:

A 30-year-old man from Blackwater in Central Queensland has died with coronavirus, making him the youngest victim in Australia.

He died a short time later and a positive COVID-19 test was returned about 11:00pm.

Dr Young said the man was believed to have been sick with symptoms for several weeks and had a “complicated” medical history.

She said it was not known how he contracted the virus but he has become the “youngest” victim in Australia.

The 30-year-old man never went in for testing despite being unwell for weeks

There have been no prior cases in Blackwater, raising concerns for authorities

Emerald GP Dr Ewen McPhee said the region is prepared to respond to any potential community transmission.

“We need to get out there and start case finding,” he said.

“Because when you have potential community transmission, you want to pick up people early, you want to make sure that people with any respiratory symptoms stay at home.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-testing-queensland-death-dies/12287058

have we started on the random asymptomatic community screening a la partial Wuhan yet

because this kind of thing would suggest that unless we get on with that kind of thing it’s never going to end and we’ll have a “look and will find” situation

we’d hope that they had a handle on this kind of thing before big restriction-lifting kidding around but hey, we don’t make Them Big Decisions around here

It’s a strange case. They say he had not left Blackwater since February, so it seems he may have caught it elsewhere. They are saying his wife is also showing symptoms and is currently in isolation. It’s understandable why it took so long for him to be diagnosed as he had other medical conditions, so I presume he avoided hospitals whenever he could.

For some people there’s huge social and financial pressures that will act as a barrier to testing and treatment.

Some very low daily numbers coming out of the USA now. Only 7039 deaths recorded in the last 7 days, compared to 9815 in the previous 7 days. At the worst of it they were incurring 15000 deaths a week.

Clicking through through the states on the JHU site, it appears most states are clearly past the peak in daily death rate with the following exceptions:

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Iowa
Maryland
Minnesota
Mississippi
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Texas
Utah
Virginia

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Sounds like a Hobbit surname

Or from the Discwwworld.

mmm must have been about 20 years since we last read Tez might have to start again

Discwwworld = Discworld.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Littleproud calls for ‘leadership, not politics’
Federal Agriculture Minister David Littleproud expressed disappointment with Mr McGowan’s handling of the issue.

“What the public want is leadership, not politics,” Mr Littleproud told ABC Radio Perth.

LOL

(context)

WA Premier Mark McGowan initially lashed out at the Commonwealth’s handling of the issue, claiming the federal Agriculture Department and Australian Border Force (ABF) knew days in advance of health issues on board the ship but had kept the state in the dark.

But the State Government last night admitted claims it made were incorrect, after an email from the Agriculture Department to WA Health emerged showing West Australian officials had been told of some issues on board the ship.

Sounds like a Hobbit surname

you’re thinking ‘Proudfoot.’

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The Proudfoot family were a Hobbit clan living in the Shire.

They insist that if there is more than one of them, they are known as Proudfeet, not Proudfoots.

They were known for their very hairy, very large feet.
History

The family probably existed for many generations but its latest known member was Bodo Proudfoot, who was best known for relating the Proudfoots to the Baggins family by marrying Linda Baggins. They were invited to and attended Bilbo’s Farewell Birthday Party in September 3001. Presumably, the family continued into the Fourth Age.
Known Members

Bodo Proudfoot Linda (Baggins) Proudfoot Odo Proudfoot Olo Proudfoot Sancho Proudfoot

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Proudfoot

sarahs mum said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Littleproud calls for ‘leadership, not politics’
Federal Agriculture Minister David Littleproud expressed disappointment with Mr McGowan’s handling of the issue.

“What the public want is leadership, not politics,” Mr Littleproud told ABC Radio Perth.

LOL

(context)

WA Premier Mark McGowan initially lashed out at the Commonwealth’s handling of the issue, claiming the federal Agriculture Department and Australian Border Force (ABF) knew days in advance of health issues on board the ship but had kept the state in the dark.

But the State Government last night admitted claims it made were incorrect, after an email from the Agriculture Department to WA Health emerged showing West Australian officials had been told of some issues on board the ship.

Sounds like a Hobbit surname

you’re thinking ‘Proudfoot.’

>>
in:
Hobbit Families
Proudfoot
Edit
Share

The Proudfoot family were a Hobbit clan living in the Shire.

They insist that if there is more than one of them, they are known as Proudfeet, not Proudfoots.

They were known for their very hairy, very large feet.
History

The family probably existed for many generations but its latest known member was Bodo Proudfoot, who was best known for relating the Proudfoots to the Baggins family by marrying Linda Baggins. They were invited to and attended Bilbo’s Farewell Birthday Party in September 3001. Presumably, the family continued into the Fourth Age.
Known Members

Bodo Proudfoot Linda (Baggins) Proudfoot Odo Proudfoot Olo Proudfoot Sancho Proudfoot

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Proudfoot

This just popped up on fb
Several mink farms in the Netherlands have noted human-to-mink transmission (of corona virus)

dv said:

Some very low daily numbers coming out of the USA now. Only 7039 deaths recorded in the last 7 days, compared to 9815 in the previous 7 days. At the worst of it they were incurring 15000 deaths a week.

Clicking through through the states on the JHU site, it appears most states are clearly past the peak in daily death rate with the following exceptions:

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Iowa
Maryland
Minnesota
Mississippi
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Texas
Utah
Virginia

fear not, we have this sorted, https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-us-protests-on-the-rise/12288686 there won’t be any further virus extinction on our watch

Trumps trial of hydroxychloroquine for the prevention of virus infection is coming up to day 26.
So far it’s all looking good.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Some very low daily numbers coming out of the USA now. Only 7039 deaths recorded in the last 7 days, compared to 9815 in the previous 7 days. At the worst of it they were incurring 15000 deaths a week.

Clicking through through the states on the JHU site, it appears most states are clearly past the peak in daily death rate with the following exceptions:

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Iowa
Maryland
Minnesota
Mississippi
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Texas
Utah
Virginia

fear not, we have this sorted, https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-us-protests-on-the-rise/12288686 there won’t be any further virus extinction on our watch

Probably going to result in a huge second wave as everyone gets antsy and breaks quarantine

Arts was ahead of the news here but as we promised, time to blame China:

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/randwick-council-closes-beaches-as-debris-washes-in/12291416

On Sunday morning the APL England, en route from Ningbo, China, to Melbourne, hit rough seas which caused 40 containers to fall overboard about 73 kilometres south-east of Sydney.

actually make that Singapore

The Singapore-flagged cargo ship docked in Brisbane today and will be investigated by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority to determine whether the containers were properly stacked and secured, and if any environmental regulations have been breached.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Some very low daily numbers coming out of the USA now. Only 7039 deaths recorded in the last 7 days, compared to 9815 in the previous 7 days. At the worst of it they were incurring 15000 deaths a week.

Clicking through through the states on the JHU site, it appears most states are clearly past the peak in daily death rate with the following exceptions:

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Illinois
Iowa
Maryland
Minnesota
Mississippi
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Texas
Utah
Virginia

fear not, we have this sorted, https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-us-protests-on-the-rise/12288686 there won’t be any further virus extinction on our watch

Probably going to result in a huge second wave as everyone gets antsy and breaks quarantine

Someone, supposedly influential, was saying Queensland’s border restrictions are unconstitutional.

The other update,

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/detail-revealed-about-travel-exemption-for-sa-coronavirus-case/12290130

Health Minister Stephen Wade has since confirmed the travel exemption was granted because “the person was coming to be with a dying relative”.

“The person wasn’t exempted from quarantine, they needed to go into quarantine on arrival,” Mr Wade said.

“What they were exempted from is the requirement to stay in quarantine, except to the extent that they needed to go to-and-fro the facility where their loved one lives.”

The situation has prompted public backlash on social media and on radio, including from those who have been prevented from visiting sick or elderly relatives.

“It just makes my blood boil … I haven’t seen my mother, 84 years old, since Christmas … yet somebody here has been allowed into the state,” one caller told ABC Radio Adelaide.

“Many South Australians have sacrificed not being able to see their loved ones,” health spokesman Chris Picton said.

“Why does the Government not reveal the details around why this particular special exemption was granted from a country that was high risk?”

—

we don’t know the detailed details but can only hope there is consistency

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

fear not, we have this sorted, https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-us-protests-on-the-rise/12288686 there won’t be any further virus extinction on our watch

Probably going to result in a huge second wave as everyone gets antsy and breaks quarantine

Someone, supposedly influential, was saying Queensland’s border restrictions are unconstitutional.

yeah, free travel between states (in the constitution) except when there is a reason not to be.

ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Probably going to result in a huge second wave as everyone gets antsy and breaks quarantine

Someone, supposedly influential, was saying Queensland’s border restrictions are unconstitutional.

yeah, free travel between states (in the constitution) except when there is a reason not to be.

The speaker conveniently forgot that bit.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

fear not, we have this sorted, https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/coronavirus-us-protests-on-the-rise/12288686 there won’t be any further virus extinction on our watch

Probably going to result in a huge second wave as everyone gets antsy and breaks quarantine

Someone, supposedly influential, was saying Queensland’s border restrictions are unconstitutional.

Was it the same person who said climate change is a Chinese hoax?

dv said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Probably going to result in a huge second wave as everyone gets antsy and breaks quarantine

Someone, supposedly influential, was saying Queensland’s border restrictions are unconstitutional.

Was it the same person who said climate change is a Chinese hoax?

Don’t think so. Might have been a lawyer or a pollie or some other professional liar.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

Someone, supposedly influential, was saying Queensland’s border restrictions are unconstitutional.

Was it the same person who said climate change is a Chinese hoax?

Don’t think so. Might have been a lawyer or a pollie or some other professional liar.

I already know it was Clive Palmer so I was just giving another example of his idiocy

Peak Warming Man said:

Trumps trial of hydroxychloroquine for the prevention of virus infection is coming up to day 26.
So far it’s all looking good.

He died a little while back.
It’s the preservatives in all the McDonalds that he eats that’s keeping him going.

Some more mixed but probably mostly good news.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/australians-more-worried-about-coronavirus-than-ever-survey/12290918

As Australians begin enjoying their newfound freedoms with the easing of coronavirus-related restrictions, a research project from Vox Pop Labs in partnership with the ABC, found a significant increase in the number of people who said they were very concerned about the pandemic.

People did not seem to be more concerned about their own health, but fears jumped that a family member or friend would contract the virus. [Caring for others, good.]

There was also more fear for the state of the nation’s books, with 23 per cent of people saying they were extremely concerned about the Australian economy, up 6 per cent on the previous week. [Equivocal, it’s important to have resources to deal with life, but unclear whether they think this is in dichotomy with health.]

Professor Alex Haslam said the results showed people recognised the efforts to fight the virus were about maintaining the collective health of the nation.

“That’s one of the really positive things around the psychology of COVID-19, that it has brought out that sense of solidarity, that sense of connection to and responsibility for other people,” he said

The COVID-19 monitor has already found higher levels of loneliness and anxiety in Australia. For the first time, participants were also asked how they were coping during the pandemic. Almost four in five Australians said they were managing very well, with men more likely to say so than women. But people tended to have a more pessimistic view on how their fellow citizens were doing. Just 41 per cent of people thought Australians in general were coping well. [Not sure about this lack of confidence, 40% have confidence in Australian coping but 80% report fair coping, we suspect the “OMG this will be a mental health disaster” alarmists need to consider. Looks particularly bad when their point of view is either genuinely or twistedly used to advance a “see restrictions are bad” line.]

Does seem that the global deathrate has declined, but I think that is partly because of lag. Total cases have ramped up significantly.

dv said:

Does seem that the global deathrate has declined, but I think that is partly because of lag. Total cases have ramped up significantly.

Has it?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Does seem that the global deathrate has declined, but I think that is partly because of lag. Total cases have ramped up significantly.

Has it?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

New graphs showing very interesting trends in current active cases, outcome (death vs recovery rates), new cases in China outside of Hubei, and more, are going to be published in the coming hours. Follow us on twitter to receive a notification as soon as they are published.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Does seem that the global deathrate has declined, but I think that is partly because of lag. Total cases have ramped up significantly.

Has it?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

kind of

lag, cover up, whatever it is

if we look at the Place Of Liars Where They Invented This Stuff then Peak Death happens 2 weeks after Peak Case but after that, there is a long tail of death (longer than the tail of case) possibly made up of people they Really Don’t Want To Have To Kill but were inevitably going to die from this anyway

or maybe, since they’re liars and we’ve discussed this before, they are able to drag it out long enough that the patients “die of something else” rather than from COVID-19, yeah

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-27/cabbage-tree-island-school-overlooked-with-homeschooling-tech/12288446

what’s the solution here though, you have a pandemic and you have systems that take a while to turn around

if you say “it’s obviously to ensure inequalities are minimised before going into a crisis” then sure but that isn’t the situation needing to be dealt with immediately

A little quote I found elsewhere…

Britain are discovering what being governed by the British is like

party_pants said:

A little quote I found elsewhere…

Britain are discovering what being governed by the British is like

Sad things is they’ve known it all along, but they still keep voting for psycho toffs.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

A little quote I found elsewhere…

Britain are discovering what being governed by the British is like

Sad things is they’ve known it all along, but they still keep voting for psycho toffs.

The British system of government is the reason why they lost two empires, IMHO.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

A little quote I found elsewhere…

Britain are discovering what being governed by the British is like

Sad things is they’ve known it all along, but they still keep voting for psycho toffs.

The British system of government is the reason why they lost two empires, IMHO.

at least we had them…

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Sad things is they’ve known it all along, but they still keep voting for psycho toffs.

The British system of government is the reason why they lost two empires, IMHO.

at least we had them…

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

The British system of government is the reason why they lost two empires, IMHO.

at least we had them…

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

that why we got rid of ours.

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

at least we had them…

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

that why we got rid of ours.

Is any colonialism a good thing for the native population, you expand because you need more land and resources so the people living there are just a nuisance

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

at least we had them…

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

that why we got rid of ours.

honest to john

Cymek said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

that why we got rid of ours.

Is any colonialism a good thing for the native population, you expand because you need more land and resources so the people living there are just a nuisance

Not under any sort of mercantilist colonial trade system. If the outer empire are just sources of raw materials for the core then is doesn’t work out well for the people in the outer zone. Plus it tends towards rivalries and wars between colonial powers.

I’m not sure of too many other systems that have been tried.

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

at least we had them…

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

that why we got rid of ours.

We did? When did this happen?
The UK effectively left the colonial Commonwealth when it joined the EU, but we never did.

mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

that why we got rid of ours.

We did? When did this happen?
The UK effectively left the colonial Commonwealth when it joined the EU, but we never did.

Now it’s called the US!

mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

European colonialism is no longer regarded as a good thing.

that why we got rid of ours.

We did? When did this happen?
The UK effectively left the colonial Commonwealth when it joined the EU, but we never did.

Australia abolished British Empire preferential trade at around the same time