Protesters Clash With Police In Cities Nationwide Over George Floyd’s Death | The 11th Hour | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4AoagJnGE

I sort of understand burning down the police station.

sarahs mum said:

Protesters Clash With Police In Cities Nationwide Over George Floyd’s Death | The 11th Hour | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4AoagJnGE

I sort of understand burning down the police station.

If I am ever confronted by a police officer, I will comply with their instructions and take whatever actions they order. But this compliance is predicated on the understanding that said police officer will not give me instructions or take actions which will endanger my life unnecessarily.

Black people in America can not rely on this kind of reciprocity. George Floyd was secured and posed no danger to these officers, yet one of them slowly murdered him whilst the others stood by and watched.

There comes a time when good people must fight back. I fully support burning down that police station. I hope every police officer in America is living in fear right now, and that this fear will lead to cultural change within their ranks. Nothing else has worked.

esselte said:

sarahs mum said:

Protesters Clash With Police In Cities Nationwide Over George Floyd’s Death | The 11th Hour | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4AoagJnGE

I sort of understand burning down the police station.

If I am ever confronted by a police officer, I will comply with their instructions and take whatever actions they order. But this compliance is predicated on the understanding that said police officer will not give me instructions or take actions which will endanger my life unnecessarily.

Black people in America can not rely on this kind of reciprocity. George Floyd was secured and posed no danger to these officers, yet one of them slowly murdered him whilst the others stood by and watched.

There comes a time when good people must fight back. I fully support burning down that police station. I hope every police officer in America is living in fear right now, and that this fear will lead to cultural change within their ranks. Nothing else has worked.

https://imgur.com/gallery/9hJ8A8M

esselte said:

sarahs mum said:

Protesters Clash With Police In Cities Nationwide Over George Floyd’s Death | The 11th Hour | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4AoagJnGE

I sort of understand burning down the police station.

If I am ever confronted by a police officer, I will comply with their instructions and take whatever actions they order. But this compliance is predicated on the understanding that said police officer will not give me instructions or take actions which will endanger my life unnecessarily.

Black people in America can not rely on this kind of reciprocity. George Floyd was secured and posed no danger to these officers, yet one of them slowly murdered him whilst the others stood by and watched.

There comes a time when good people must fight back. I fully support burning down that police station. I hope every police officer in America is living in fear right now, and that this fear will lead to cultural change within their ranks. Nothing else has worked.

As I understand it the officer has been charged with a minor manslaughter type charge. I suppose that those who are rioting because of the incidence do not feel vindicated. I mentioned sort of understanding burning down the police station. Wider spread arson and looting , especially in other states seems opportunistic.

sarahs mum said:

I mentioned sort of understanding burning down the police station. Wider spread arson and looting , especially in other states seems opportunistic.

if now during the bushfire disaster is not the time to talk about climate change and apparently make it political, then when is the time

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

I mentioned sort of understanding burning down the police station. Wider spread arson and looting , especially in other states seems opportunistic.

if now during the bushfire disaster is not the time to talk about climate change and apparently make it political, then when is the time

fair.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/what-is-third-degree-murder-and-second-degree-manslaughter-in-minnesota/89-605c84d4-dfc2-4bb9-a09b-4a0063c079ad

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/may/29/george-floyd-killing-protests-minneapolis-minnesota-us-twitter-donald-trump-latest-news-live

Live guradian link.^

Apparently there are protests outside of the White House.

Oops, sorry :)

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/may/29/george-floyd-killing-protests-minneapolis-minnesota-us-twitter-donald-trump-latest-news-live

Live guradian link.^

Apparently there are protests outside of the White House.

‘When the hooting starts, the shooting starts’?

Bubblecar said:

I have never taken alcohol.

I’ve always paid for it.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/may/29/george-floyd-killing-protests-minneapolis-minnesota-us-twitter-donald-trump-latest-news-live

Live guradian link.^

Apparently there are protests outside of the White House.

‘When the hooting starts, the shooting starts’?

When Putin starts, the shooting starts. Or is that the other place?

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

No. This is nothing. I’m thinking about later on in the year.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

No. This is nothing. I’m thinking about later on in the year.

Oh, yeah, he is already setting up the narrative of voter fraud…

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

No. This is nothing. I’m thinking about later on in the year.

I wasn’t picking civil war for Christmas. But maybe it is worth a few bob.

furious said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

No. This is nothing. I’m thinking about later on in the year.

Oh, yeah, he is already setting up the narrative of voter fraud…

Fraud, China, the media, and now social media platforms…

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

No. This is nothing. I’m thinking about later on in the year.

I think you’ll find he’ll mellow in his second term, well not straight away, probably after the invasion of North Korea.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

No. This is nothing. I’m thinking about later on in the year.

I think you’ll find he’ll mellow in his second term, well not straight away, probably after the invasion of North Korea.

yes dear

party_pants said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

No. This is nothing. I’m thinking about later on in the year.

Oh, yeah, he is already setting up the narrative of voter fraud…

Fraud, China, the media, and now social media platforms…

The more bogey-men you can put forward, the more you can direct responsibility away from yourself.

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Aren’t most of his supporters moving to Canada if he loses?

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Aren’t most of his supporters moving to Canada if he loses?

Canada wont have them.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Aren’t most of his supporters moving to Canada if he loses?

Canada wont have them.

I suppose they could move to the UK under BoJo the Clown, to replace all those Brits who flee to Canada or Europe after the Brexit process is completed.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Aren’t most of his supporters moving to Canada if he loses?

Canada wont have them.

If they moved to Canada, they’d have to leave their guns behind.

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Aren’t most of his supporters moving to Canada if he loses?

Canada wont have them.

I suppose they could move to the UK under BoJo the Clown, to replace all those Brits who flee to Canada or Europe after the Brexit process is completed.

Again, can’t take the guns.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

Canada wont have them.

I suppose they could move to the UK under BoJo the Clown, to replace all those Brits who flee to Canada or Europe after the Brexit process is completed.

Again, can’t take the guns.

Brazil…

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

Canada wont have them.

I suppose they could move to the UK under BoJo the Clown, to replace all those Brits who flee to Canada or Europe after the Brexit process is completed.

Again, can’t take the guns.

Maybe they’ll have ti turn up at night in rickety old fishing boats.

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I suppose they could move to the UK under BoJo the Clown, to replace all those Brits who flee to Canada or Europe after the Brexit process is completed.

Again, can’t take the guns.

Brazil…

Yeah. Would probably need the guns there.

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Five months ago if you had asked that question I would have said “of course he will depart with good grace”.

Five months ago, had you asked if Trump encounters a 9-11 type event, will he be capable of putting on his big-boy trousers and abandon the nonsensical theatrics that have characterized his Presidency I would have said “Of course… there’s not a person in the world for whom that would not be true.”

Trump’s response to his 9-11, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, has been surreal and baffling to me. He had the opportunity here to be a hero, to maintain his base support whilst turning his detractors to a “Well he did lot’s of shit I disagree with, but at least when the chips were down he came through for all of us” attitude. His inability and seeming unwillingness to embrace a statesman-like role and position in the face of a world-wide crisis has made me re-think a lot of my assumptions about him and other people… not just political leaders but the people surrounding me – my friends, my neighbours, my fellow Australians, my world-wide fellows. I wish I had fought harder against all the noise generated around Trump for the last four years, the noisy-stupidity of people who protested him with idiotic arguments about “prostitutes pissing on the bed Obama slept in in some Russina hotel” or “he can launch nuclear weapons with ten minutes notice” – fought harder so that the signals generated from his recent failures would have come through so much more clearly than they have.

I have lost a lot of faith recently. That faith I had in my fellow human beings. I have had to confront my own naivety.

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I suppose they could move to the UK under BoJo the Clown, to replace all those Brits who flee to Canada or Europe after the Brexit process is completed.

Again, can’t take the guns.

Brazil…

that sounds more like it :)

esselte said:

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

I received some advice way back when.

‘Keep moving. Don’t present a static target. But remember, the more you move, the more you see. And you’re as responsible for what you see as you are for what you do.’

You make your choice, you take your chance.

esselte said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Five months ago if you had asked that question I would have said “of course he will depart with good grace”.

Five months ago, had you asked if Trump encounters a 9-11 type event, will he be capable of putting on his big-boy trousers and abandon the nonsensical theatrics that have characterized his Presidency I would have said “Of course… there’s not a person in the world for whom that would not be true.”

Trump’s response to his 9-11, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, has been surreal and baffling to me. He had the opportunity here to be a hero, to maintain his base support whilst turning his detractors to a “Well he did lot’s of shit I disagree with, but at least when the chips were down he came through for all of us” attitude. His inability and seeming unwillingness to embrace a statesman-like role and position in the face of a world-wide crisis has made me re-think a lot of my assumptions about him and other people… not just political leaders but the people surrounding me – my friends, my neighbours, my fellow Australians, my world-wide fellows. I wish I had fought harder against all the noise generated around Trump for the last four years, the noisy-stupidity of people who protested him with idiotic arguments about “prostitutes pissing on the bed Obama slept in in some Russina hotel” or “he can launch nuclear weapons with ten minutes notice” – fought harder so that the signals generated from his recent failures would have come through so much more clearly than they have.

I have lost a lot of faith recently. That faith I had in my fellow human beings. I have had to confront my own naivety.

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

Yes and no.

Somehow my faith in Australian pollies has improved. The US and the UK I have more or less given up on.

party_pants said:

The US and the UK I have more or less given up on.

Must be party-time every day in the Kremlin these days.

esselte said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Five months ago if you had asked that question I would have said “of course he will depart with good grace”.

Five months ago, had you asked if Trump encounters a 9-11 type event, will he be capable of putting on his big-boy trousers and abandon the nonsensical theatrics that have characterized his Presidency I would have said “Of course… there’s not a person in the world for whom that would not be true.”

Trump’s response to his 9-11, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, has been surreal and baffling to me. He had the opportunity here to be a hero, to maintain his base support whilst turning his detractors to a “Well he did lot’s of shit I disagree with, but at least when the chips were down he came through for all of us” attitude. His inability and seeming unwillingness to embrace a statesman-like role and position in the face of a world-wide crisis has made me re-think a lot of my assumptions about him and other people… not just political leaders but the people surrounding me – my friends, my neighbours, my fellow Australians, my world-wide fellows. I wish I had fought harder against all the noise generated around Trump for the last four years, the noisy-stupidity of people who protested him with idiotic arguments about “prostitutes pissing on the bed Obama slept in in some Russina hotel” or “he can launch nuclear weapons with ten minutes notice” – fought harder so that the signals generated from his recent failures would have come through so much more clearly than they have.

I have lost a lot of faith recently. That faith I had in my fellow human beings. I have had to confront my own naivety.

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

Trump will go quietly. There’s bugger all he can really do about that. Some of his supporters may kick up a stink but they’ll last about 5 minutes once the wallopers or national guard are sent in.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The US and the UK I have more or less given up on.

Must be party-time every day in the Kremlin these days.

Yeah, they’ve done pretty well to split up NATO. Chuck Turkey into the mix too, can’t see them staying in it for too much lomger.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The US and the UK I have more or less given up on.

Must be party-time every day in the Kremlin these days.

Yeah, they’ve done pretty well to split up NATO. Chuck Turkey into the mix too, can’t see them staying in it for too much lomger.

Trump got it right in getting out of the middle east.
Obama’s Arab spring was a disaster, particularly for Syrians.

party_pants said:

esselte said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Five months ago if you had asked that question I would have said “of course he will depart with good grace”.

Five months ago, had you asked if Trump encounters a 9-11 type event, will he be capable of putting on his big-boy trousers and abandon the nonsensical theatrics that have characterized his Presidency I would have said “Of course… there’s not a person in the world for whom that would not be true.”

Trump’s response to his 9-11, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, has been surreal and baffling to me. He had the opportunity here to be a hero, to maintain his base support whilst turning his detractors to a “Well he did lot’s of shit I disagree with, but at least when the chips were down he came through for all of us” attitude. His inability and seeming unwillingness to embrace a statesman-like role and position in the face of a world-wide crisis has made me re-think a lot of my assumptions about him and other people… not just political leaders but the people surrounding me – my friends, my neighbours, my fellow Australians, my world-wide fellows. I wish I had fought harder against all the noise generated around Trump for the last four years, the noisy-stupidity of people who protested him with idiotic arguments about “prostitutes pissing on the bed Obama slept in in some Russina hotel” or “he can launch nuclear weapons with ten minutes notice” – fought harder so that the signals generated from his recent failures would have come through so much more clearly than they have.

I have lost a lot of faith recently. That faith I had in my fellow human beings. I have had to confront my own naivety.

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

Yes and no.

Somehow my faith in Australian pollies has improved. The US and the UK I have more or less given up on.

I’d like to see us do more social distancing with the above. I’m happy about recent talks again between Aus and NZ.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Must be party-time every day in the Kremlin these days.

Yeah, they’ve done pretty well to split up NATO. Chuck Turkey into the mix too, can’t see them staying in it for too much lomger.

Trump got it right in getting out of the middle east.
Obama’s Arab spring was a disaster, particularly for Syrians.

He has got disengagement with China right too.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

esselte said:

Five months ago if you had asked that question I would have said “of course he will depart with good grace”.

Five months ago, had you asked if Trump encounters a 9-11 type event, will he be capable of putting on his big-boy trousers and abandon the nonsensical theatrics that have characterized his Presidency I would have said “Of course… there’s not a person in the world for whom that would not be true.”

Trump’s response to his 9-11, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, has been surreal and baffling to me. He had the opportunity here to be a hero, to maintain his base support whilst turning his detractors to a “Well he did lot’s of shit I disagree with, but at least when the chips were down he came through for all of us” attitude. His inability and seeming unwillingness to embrace a statesman-like role and position in the face of a world-wide crisis has made me re-think a lot of my assumptions about him and other people… not just political leaders but the people surrounding me – my friends, my neighbours, my fellow Australians, my world-wide fellows. I wish I had fought harder against all the noise generated around Trump for the last four years, the noisy-stupidity of people who protested him with idiotic arguments about “prostitutes pissing on the bed Obama slept in in some Russina hotel” or “he can launch nuclear weapons with ten minutes notice” – fought harder so that the signals generated from his recent failures would have come through so much more clearly than they have.

I have lost a lot of faith recently. That faith I had in my fellow human beings. I have had to confront my own naivety.

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

Yes and no.

Somehow my faith in Australian pollies has improved. The US and the UK I have more or less given up on.

I’d like to see us do more social distancing with the above. I’m happy about recent talks again between Aus and NZ.

Australian sheep are nervous about it.

sibeen said:

esselte said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Five months ago if you had asked that question I would have said “of course he will depart with good grace”.

Five months ago, had you asked if Trump encounters a 9-11 type event, will he be capable of putting on his big-boy trousers and abandon the nonsensical theatrics that have characterized his Presidency I would have said “Of course… there’s not a person in the world for whom that would not be true.”

Trump’s response to his 9-11, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, has been surreal and baffling to me. He had the opportunity here to be a hero, to maintain his base support whilst turning his detractors to a “Well he did lot’s of shit I disagree with, but at least when the chips were down he came through for all of us” attitude. His inability and seeming unwillingness to embrace a statesman-like role and position in the face of a world-wide crisis has made me re-think a lot of my assumptions about him and other people… not just political leaders but the people surrounding me – my friends, my neighbours, my fellow Australians, my world-wide fellows. I wish I had fought harder against all the noise generated around Trump for the last four years, the noisy-stupidity of people who protested him with idiotic arguments about “prostitutes pissing on the bed Obama slept in in some Russina hotel” or “he can launch nuclear weapons with ten minutes notice” – fought harder so that the signals generated from his recent failures would have come through so much more clearly than they have.

I have lost a lot of faith recently. That faith I had in my fellow human beings. I have had to confront my own naivety.

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

Trump will go quietly. There’s bugger all he can really do about that. Some of his supporters may kick up a stink but they’ll last about 5 minutes once the wallopers or national guard are sent in.

His supporters, the ones who occupy places of government with guns because they don’t like face masks? And the cops do nothing about it? Those supporters?

The 4 stages of destroying the west

Demoralise

Destabilise

Crisis

Normalisation

Ideological subversion as we know it begun as a programme of the KGB. Educational institutions such as unis were infiltrated and started churning out activists that ended up in the government, police etc military and intelligence Corp. In the end as these institutions ended up being filled up by people who HATED their civilization

No doubt as the Chinese tanks roll in ASIO will be fretting about not getting enough drag queens to read to their children in the ASIO kindergarten and things like “white supremacists”

furious said:

sibeen said:

esselte said:

Five months ago if you had asked that question I would have said “of course he will depart with good grace”.

Five months ago, had you asked if Trump encounters a 9-11 type event, will he be capable of putting on his big-boy trousers and abandon the nonsensical theatrics that have characterized his Presidency I would have said “Of course… there’s not a person in the world for whom that would not be true.”

Trump’s response to his 9-11, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, has been surreal and baffling to me. He had the opportunity here to be a hero, to maintain his base support whilst turning his detractors to a “Well he did lot’s of shit I disagree with, but at least when the chips were down he came through for all of us” attitude. His inability and seeming unwillingness to embrace a statesman-like role and position in the face of a world-wide crisis has made me re-think a lot of my assumptions about him and other people… not just political leaders but the people surrounding me – my friends, my neighbours, my fellow Australians, my world-wide fellows. I wish I had fought harder against all the noise generated around Trump for the last four years, the noisy-stupidity of people who protested him with idiotic arguments about “prostitutes pissing on the bed Obama slept in in some Russina hotel” or “he can launch nuclear weapons with ten minutes notice” – fought harder so that the signals generated from his recent failures would have come through so much more clearly than they have.

I have lost a lot of faith recently. That faith I had in my fellow human beings. I have had to confront my own naivety.

November is going to be a shit-show… no matter which way it goes. Trump will not go quietly. There will be blood and we are all complicit, in our own ways.

Trump will go quietly. There’s bugger all he can really do about that. Some of his supporters may kick up a stink but they’ll last about 5 minutes once the wallopers or national guard are sent in.

His supporters, the ones who occupy places of government with guns because they don’t like face masks? And the cops do nothing about it? Those supporters?

Yep, those supporters. They’ll last about five minutes after the first shot is fired. Rednecks with guns vs a SWAT team – 5 minutes is probably a bit on the long side.

Five months ago I thought we all understood the game.

I thought we were all playing the game.

I assumed we were all playing the same game.

I thought we all understood the rules of the game.

I thought the game was fun.

Now I realize, the vast majority of people don’t actually see the game. The vast majority think the game is real – Trump thinks it’s real, the American voters think its real, the Australian public thinks it’s real. The Holiday Forumers think it’s real. My friends and family think its real.

And when the vast majority think a game is real… IT BECOMES REAL.

I have been bamboozled. Massive failure on my part, to understand how other people conceive of and perceive the world.

I … I just don’t know any more.

wookiemeister said:

No doubt as the Chinese tanks roll in ASIO will be fretting about not getting enough drag queens to read to their children in the ASIO kindergarten and things like “white supremacists”

That would only occur because the ASIS people gave them poor intel because they’d been too busy ‘recruiting sources’ on expenses in the red light districts of Zamboanga and Bangkok.

sibeen said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

Trump will go quietly. There’s bugger all he can really do about that. Some of his supporters may kick up a stink but they’ll last about 5 minutes once the wallopers or national guard are sent in.

His supporters, the ones who occupy places of government with guns because they don’t like face masks? And the cops do nothing about it? Those supporters?

Yep, those supporters. They’ll last about five minutes after the first shot is fired. Rednecks with guns vs a SWAT team – 5 minutes is probably a bit on the long side.

You’re probably right, they’ll behave…

sibeen said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

Trump will go quietly. There’s bugger all he can really do about that. Some of his supporters may kick up a stink but they’ll last about 5 minutes once the wallopers or national guard are sent in.

His supporters, the ones who occupy places of government with guns because they don’t like face masks? And the cops do nothing about it? Those supporters?

Yep, those supporters. They’ll last about five minutes after the first shot is fired. Rednecks with guns vs a SWAT team – 5 minutes is probably a bit on the long side.

Yeah ?? Try it.

America’s red necks are a standing army.

I put my money on the red necks, they are more organised , armed and supplied than the 14 year old boys the Australian army has been trying to beat for 20 years.

wookiemeister said:

The 4 stages of destroying the west

Demoralise

Destabilise

Crisis

Normalisation

Nah.

Success breeds jealousy.
Jealousy breeds competition.
Competition breeds security.
Security breeds secrecy.
Secrecy breeds corruption.
Corruption breeds failure.

America’s killing itself off.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yes and no.

Somehow my faith in Australian pollies has improved. The US and the UK I have more or less given up on.

I’d like to see us do more social distancing with the above. I’m happy about recent talks again between Aus and NZ.

Australian sheep are nervous about it.

Excuse me if I don’t laugh.

sibeen said:

Yep, those supporters. They’ll last about five minutes after the first shot is fired. Rednecks with guns vs a SWAT team – 5 minutes is probably a bit on the long side.

Isn’t that quote from someone?

‘It isn’t the firepower that you have, it’s how you employ the firepower that you have.’

Or is that a Project Déjà vu flashback?

sibeen said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

Trump will go quietly. There’s bugger all he can really do about that. Some of his supporters may kick up a stink but they’ll last about 5 minutes once the wallopers or national guard are sent in.

His supporters, the ones who occupy places of government with guns because they don’t like face masks? And the cops do nothing about it? Those supporters?

Yep, those supporters. They’ll last about five minutes after the first shot is fired. Rednecks with guns vs a SWAT team – 5 minutes is probably a bit on the long side.

do SWAT all support Democrat

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

The 4 stages of destroying the west

Demoralise

Destabilise

Crisis

Normalisation

Nah.

Success breeds jealousy.
Jealousy breeds competition.
Competition breeds security.
Security breeds secrecy.
Secrecy breeds corruption.
Corruption breeds failure.

America’s killing itself off.

No believe me

Just watch the 2 things where he speaks from 1984 where essentially as a former KGB agent he gives a debrief on the new directive to knock out the brains of the western system. Its crazy.

wookiemeister said:

I put my money on the red necks, they are more organised , armed and supplied than the 14 year old boys the Australian army has been trying to beat for 20 years.

Don’t shit-talk teenagers.

‘…there’s no more vicious animal on the face of the Earth than the average 19-year-old American boy’.

That is a quote from a US Marine NCO.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

furious said:

His supporters, the ones who occupy places of government with guns because they don’t like face masks? And the cops do nothing about it? Those supporters?

Yep, those supporters. They’ll last about five minutes after the first shot is fired. Rednecks with guns vs a SWAT team – 5 minutes is probably a bit on the long side.

do SWAT all support Democrat

Nup, I suspect most of them probably lean republican, but that’s got fuck all to do with it.

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I think that civil war should involve only custard pies.

Quite civil, and tasty into the bargain.

The Soviets didn’t have the men, machines or power to knock out the west so they funded and ran every fringe movement to demoralise and destabilise

In his talk he then puts forward that the crisis when it finally comes can literally last a few weeks.

The idea is you attack the rational brain

Knock out the education system and all you have are “activists “ that only react to certain stimuli

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I think that civil war should involve only custard pies.

Quite civil, and tasty into the bargain.

Chunky custard?

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I think that civil war should involve only custard pies.

Quite civil, and tasty into the bargain.

Chunky custard?

That’s not exactly a war-crime, more a matter of principle and honour.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I put my money on the red necks, they are more organised , armed and supplied than the 14 year old boys the Australian army has been trying to beat for 20 years.

Don’t shit-talk teenagers.

‘…there’s no more vicious animal on the face of the Earth than the average 19-year-old American boy’.

That is a quote from a US Marine NCO.

They use teenagers because they think they are invincible until they catch a round and bleed out. Children are easily manipulated, adults who never develop a mature mind ie critical thought , questioning, rolling ideas around become mindless drones

Maybe Dump is actually a false flag operation, we mean how else do you cattle-eyes change except with herd immunity, know really, he’s done more to Mobilise The Masses than anyone since Abe, truly a Champion Of The African Americans, what you need to do is make the situation So Bad It’s Good and then there’ll be Real Action And Real Change!

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

dv said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

Israel could annexe Florida, maybe?

dv said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

I’m hoping that California and Washington state could succeed and form their own little (massive) country.

dv said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

on what lines would it be drawn and where would the “front lines” be?

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

I’m hoping that California and Washington state could succeed and form their own little (massive) country.

I mean can you at least include Oregon so they can be contiguous? Also you probably mean secede.

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

I’m hoping that California and Washington state could succeed and form their own little (massive) country.

secede … bloody.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

on what lines would it be drawn and where would the “front lines” be?

Laird ken

party_pants said:

I’m hoping that California and Washington state could succeed and form their own little (massive) country.

Oregon. Do they get vote here?

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

I’m hoping that California and Washington state could succeed and form their own little (massive) country.

I mean can you at least include Oregon so they can be contiguous? Also you probably mean secede.

Yes, they could invade and take Oregon by force if necessary.
Yes,

When it happens it’s going to be quick and brutal

Washington (state) and Oregon should just join Canada, they seem to be more like Canada than part of the US.

The first thing the tanks need to do is control their borders

The second is to purge their educational system of communists, activists and fringe lunatics.

It will then take 25 years to finally rid the system if the problem according to yuri.

Oh well.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I’m hoping that California and Washington state could succeed and form their own little (massive) country.

Oregon. Do they get vote here?

Yes, but they don’t really count.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

I’m hoping that California and Washington state could succeed and form their own little (massive) country.

I mean can you at least include Oregon so they can be contiguous? Also you probably mean secede.

They might succeed if they secede…

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/29/van_jones_its_not_the_racist_white_person_we_have_to_worry_about_its_the_white_liberal_hillary_clinton_supporter.html

CNN’s Van Jones delivered a message Friday morning following the George Floyd riots Thursday night in Minneapolis to white liberals who think they are not racist.

“People are telling me they’re tired of hashtags, they’re tired of Van Jones saying to have a bipartisan solution, they are tired of people like me, they’re tired of people saying over and over again that, you know, we’re just basically one bill away, one election away from some progress,” Jones said on CNN.

“It’s not the racist white person who is in the Ku Klux Klan that we have to worry about,” Jones said. “It’s the white liberal Hillary Clinton supporter walking her dog in Central Park who would tell you right now, you know, people like that, ‘I don’t see race, race is no big deal to me, I see us all as the same, I give to charities,’ but the minute she sees a black man who she does not respect or who she has a slight thought against, she weaponized race like she had been trained by the Aryan nation. A Klansmember could not have been better trained to pick up her phone and tell the police a black man, African-American man, come get him.”

“So even the most liberal well-intentioned white person has a virus in his or her brain that can be activated at an instant,” he said. “So what you’re seeing now is a curtain falling away. And those of us who have been burdened by this every minute, every second of our entire lives are fragile right now. We are fragile right now.”

dv said:

The ‘Boston Tea Party’ was not what Americans believe it was.

The ‘iniquitous’ tax on tea imports had been repealed by Parliament in London some time before. That repeal threatened to lower the cost of tea in the American colonies, in turn threatening the income of a set of tea-smugglers who’d done well under the increased legitimate cost of tea.

So, the smugglers hired local thugs to destroy a legitimate shipment of tea, to eliminate competition. The brave ‘patriots’ chose to try to disguise themselves in their ‘protest’ and pretended to be ‘ignorant and savage’ native Americans.

What’s taught as being an act of righteous protest was really nothing other than commercial vandalism/sabotage.

esselte said:

Five months ago I thought we all understood the game.

I thought we were all playing the game.

I assumed we were all playing the same game.

I thought we all understood the rules of the game.

I thought the game was fun.

Now I realize, the vast majority of people don’t actually see the game. The vast majority think the game is real – Trump thinks it’s real, the American voters think its real, the Australian public thinks it’s real. The Holiday Forumers think it’s real. My friends and family think its real.

And when the vast majority think a game is real… IT BECOMES REAL.

I have been bamboozled. Massive failure on my part, to understand how other people conceive of and perceive the world.

I … I just don’t know any more.

We only know what’s real in our own little world of work and family and Bunnings.
Outside that we are told what’s going on by absorbing media.
But the media have agendas, they spin it for profit or ideology and they only tell us what they want us to know.
They trade in pontifical certainty, Brian told me.
I listen to the market report a couple of times a day and when the market or dollar goes up or down they tell us why, not because they know but because they need to seem to know, a lot of times they just make a reason up.
These same self proclaimed gurus never saw the GFC coming.
I’m over all that stuff.
I’m often reminded of Bob Menzies last interview and last question.
“How do you think you’ll be remembered”
He just shrugged his shoulders and said “That will be decided by people who write books”

“

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The ‘Boston Tea Party’ was not what Americans believe it was.

The ‘iniquitous’ tax on tea imports had been repealed by Parliament in London some time before. That repeal threatened to lower the cost of tea in the American colonies, in turn threatening the income of a set of tea-smugglers who’d done well under the increased legitimate cost of tea.

So, the smugglers hired local thugs to destroy a legitimate shipment of tea, to eliminate competition. The brave ‘patriots’ chose to try to disguise themselves in their ‘protest’ and pretended to be ‘ignorant and savage’ native Americans.

What’s taught as being an act of righteous protest was really nothing other than commercial vandalism/sabotage.

British rule from London had become untenable. Without this there is no way that the whole country would have sustained the war of independence, regardless of what caused the initial spark. There had to be a genuine grievance to catch the fire.

Civilization, civilized society is a facade.

It has rules, it’s a game we play and it’s only fair if everyone plays by the rules. It only works so long as everyone understands the rules and plays by them.

If we can’t do that then the gloves are off. We are wild, we are feral.

American cops can burn… they will burn until they are cowed.

Everyone will burn. Until everyone is gone or everyone submits to the rules.

This is good. This is just. This is where we are today.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The ‘Boston Tea Party’ was not what Americans believe it was.

The ‘iniquitous’ tax on tea imports had been repealed by Parliament in London some time before. That repeal threatened to lower the cost of tea in the American colonies, in turn threatening the income of a set of tea-smugglers who’d done well under the increased legitimate cost of tea.

So, the smugglers hired local thugs to destroy a legitimate shipment of tea, to eliminate competition. The brave ‘patriots’ chose to try to disguise themselves in their ‘protest’ and pretended to be ‘ignorant and savage’ native Americans.

What’s taught as being an act of righteous protest was really nothing other than commercial vandalism/sabotage.

British rule from London had become untenable. Without this there is no way that the whole country would have sustained the war of independence, regardless of what caused the initial spark. There had to be a genuine grievance to catch the fire.

I’m glad they revolted because if not they’d have a shit hot cricket team.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

on what lines would it be drawn and where would the “front lines” be?

Going by realclearpolitics’s current President 2020 voting averages, it might look something like this. Paler colours might be areas up for contest, with the darker colours more or less locked in.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

The ‘Boston Tea Party’ was not what Americans believe it was.

The ‘iniquitous’ tax on tea imports had been repealed by Parliament in London some time before. That repeal threatened to lower the cost of tea in the American colonies, in turn threatening the income of a set of tea-smugglers who’d done well under the increased legitimate cost of tea.

So, the smugglers hired local thugs to destroy a legitimate shipment of tea, to eliminate competition. The brave ‘patriots’ chose to try to disguise themselves in their ‘protest’ and pretended to be ‘ignorant and savage’ native Americans.

What’s taught as being an act of righteous protest was really nothing other than commercial vandalism/sabotage.

British rule from London had become untenable. Without this there is no way that the whole country would have sustained the war of independence, regardless of what caused the initial spark. There had to be a genuine grievance to catch the fire.

I’m glad they revolted because if not they’d have a shit hot cricket team.

They’d be a vastly different country if they had a decent test team.

party_pants said:

British rule from London had become untenable. Without this there is no way that the whole country would have sustained the war of independence, regardless of what caused the initial spark. There had to be a genuine grievance to catch the fire.

There were both political and commercial interests who were looking for an excuse to start an open rebellion.

The Boston Massacre of 1770 was a much more likely candidate for being the trigger; an 18th century equivalent of Bloody Sunday. Astonishingly, those accused received a fair trial (represented by none other than John Adams, signatory to the Declaration of Independence), and justice prevailed.

The 1773 Tea Party was simply co-opted and given a makeover from ‘cheap, grubby commercial sabotage’ to ‘noble, spirited protest against oppression’, and added to the fictions of revolutionary acts to serve the business and political aims of certain groups.

That’s not to say the American independence wasn’t inevitable. But, with Britain fighting three other wars at the time, the parties who looked to benefit felt that the time was right.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The ‘Boston Tea Party’ was not what Americans believe it was.

The ‘iniquitous’ tax on tea imports had been repealed by Parliament in London some time before. That repeal threatened to lower the cost of tea in the American colonies, in turn threatening the income of a set of tea-smugglers who’d done well under the increased legitimate cost of tea.

So, the smugglers hired local thugs to destroy a legitimate shipment of tea, to eliminate competition. The brave ‘patriots’ chose to try to disguise themselves in their ‘protest’ and pretended to be ‘ignorant and savage’ native Americans.

What’s taught as being an act of righteous protest was really nothing other than commercial vandalism/sabotage.

Thanks. I’ll remember that.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

British rule from London had become untenable. Without this there is no way that the whole country would have sustained the war of independence, regardless of what caused the initial spark. There had to be a genuine grievance to catch the fire.

There were both political and commercial interests who were looking for an excuse to start an open rebellion.

The Boston Massacre of 1770 was a much more likely candidate for being the trigger; an 18th century equivalent of Bloody Sunday. Astonishingly, those accused received a fair trial (represented by none other than John Adams, signatory to the Declaration of Independence), and justice prevailed.

The 1773 Tea Party was simply co-opted and given a makeover from ‘cheap, grubby commercial sabotage’ to ‘noble, spirited protest against oppression’, and added to the fictions of revolutionary acts to serve the business and political aims of certain groups.

That’s not to say the American independence wasn’t inevitable. But, with Britain fighting three other wars at the time, the parties who looked to benefit felt that the time was right.

Commercial considerations are a perfectly good reason to rebel against colonial rule. The events and skirmishes are always going to be embellished and given extra meaning after the event by the winning side.

Colonial rule was untenable. The local assemblies could be overruled by the parliament in London. Who were all wealthy landowners or peers, most of them from England. The whole colonial system was set up to transfer wealth from the colonies to core, serving their commercial interests. The whole European colonial system with rule by the home parliament overriding local assemblies failed. England lost two empires before collapsing.

captain_spalding said:

That repeal threatened to lower the cost of tea in the American colonies, in turn threatening the income of a set of tea-smugglers who’d done well under the increased legitimate cost of tea.

So, the smugglers hired local thugs to destroy a legitimate shipment of tea, to eliminate competition. What’s taught as being an act of righteous protest was really nothing other than commercial vandalism/sabotage.

wait are we talking about some kind of trade disagreement over the Atlantic or are we talking about one across the Pacific, some swamp which was drained and then cheap goods from across the swamp were threatening True American Jobs, needed some kind of intervention, and then the Beijing Tariff Party, some act of righteous protectionism that turned out to be election rigging and corruption like never before

dv said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

what a year to have a civil war fknows they need it

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

Even a little war would be overkill.

Ian said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think it will come to that. Just a slow and evitable decline, but they will be unable to make real changes.

Not every civilisation lasts for 500 years. Sooner or later fatal weaknesses get exposed and if not corrected then decline sets in.

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

Even a little war would be overkill.

+1

We don’t want the USA breaking up. That would be shit show city.

sibeen said:

Ian said:

dv said:

I mean they’ve done pretty well, considering.

In some ways, a little civil war followed by a breakup would be kinder than a slow decline.

Even a little war would be overkill.

+1

We don’t want the USA breaking up. That would be shit show city.

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

we thought the last civil war unified them

furious said:

sibeen said:

Ian said:

Even a little war would be overkill.

+1

We don’t want the USA breaking up. That would be shit show city.

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

Which states do you see falling into which bloc? The old north and south, plus everything west of The Rockies?

party_pants said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

+1

We don’t want the USA breaking up. That would be shit show city.

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

Which states do you see falling into which bloc? The old north and south, plus everything west of The Rockies?

Start with DV’s map above, join the red in the middle and the blue on each side. Some in between ones will need to change their colours but the odd disgruntled state here and there is better than them all being disgruntled…

furious said:

sibeen said:

Ian said:

Even a little war would be overkill.

+1

We don’t want the USA breaking up. That would be shit show city.

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

Three presidents to deal with, instead of one?

furious said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

Which states do you see falling into which bloc? The old north and south, plus everything west of The Rockies?

Start with DV’s map above, join the red in the middle and the blue on each side. Some in between ones will need to change their colours but the odd disgruntled state here and there is better than them all being disgruntled…

dude isn’t that what it was like before the cheese eating monkeys surrendered

Neophyte said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

+1

We don’t want the USA breaking up. That would be shit show city.

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

Three presidents to deal with, instead of one?

Well, the middle one will have an emperor, fuhrer, whatever…

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

Which states do you see falling into which bloc? The old north and south, plus everything west of The Rockies?

Start with DV’s map above, join the red in the middle and the blue on each side. Some in between ones will need to change their colours but the odd disgruntled state here and there is better than them all being disgruntled…

dude isn’t that what it was like before the cheese eating monkeys surrendered

There were what, only 14 of them at that time? The western part was a dream at that stage…

furious said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

Which states do you see falling into which bloc? The old north and south, plus everything west of The Rockies?

Start with DV’s map above, join the red in the middle and the blue on each side. Some in between ones will need to change their colours but the odd disgruntled state here and there is better than them all being disgruntled…

It’s Like Berlin, First They Built A Wall, Then It All Came Tumbling Down

USSR then, USSA now

(yeah yeah West Taiwan did it centuries ago but we’ve already pulled them apart, kind of)

Neophyte said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

+1

We don’t want the USA breaking up. That would be shit show city.

Completely splintered? No. Eastern, central and western states? That might work…

Three presidents to deal with, instead of one?

We’d only have to deal with the western side on the Pacific Coast.

serious compare this schism

SCIENCE said:

serious compare this schism

$15 million well spent

SCIENCE said:

serious compare this schism

Where is this one from? Is this the White Supremacist’s thing?

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

serious compare this schism

Where is this one from? Is this the White Supremacist’s thing?

It’s the Louisiana Purchase

dv said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

serious compare this schism

Where is this one from? Is this the White Supremacist’s thing?

It’s the Louisiana Purchase

Alaska was cheaper, and probably more lucrative…

dv said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

serious compare this schism

Where is this one from? Is this the White Supremacist’s thing?

It’s the Louisiana Purchase

LOL :)

I should have picked it!

One for the auto-bi curious.

Bubblecar said:

One for the auto-bi curious.

Damn, apologies again.

2m ago 14:14
Trump: ‘vicious dogs and ominous weapons’ awaited White House protesters

Donald Trump is up and tweeting, and he says that had protesters breached the fence at the White House last night, they would “have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least.”

The president was at home as protesters gathered outside the White House and he commending the US secret service for its job guarding him.

But he doesn’t really do calls for calm and unifying rhetoric. Trump, remember, tweeted on Friday “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”, was censored by Twitter, then claimed he hadn’t known the inflammatory and racist nature of the phrase, let alone had intended to call for violence against his own citizens.

On Friday night, hundreds of demonstrators gathered across the street from the White House in Lafayette Square. Here’s the AP report:

Protesters hurled pieces of bricks, bottles and other objects at Secret Service and US Park Police officers who were in riot gear behind barricades around the White House. Protesters at times kicked and punched officers and wrestled over the barricades. The crowd of hundreds chanted “No justice, no peace” and “Say his name: George Floyd”. As some in the crowd grew more aggressive, police deployed pepper spray to maintain a perimeter of officers around the White House. Demonstrators came to the aid of protesters who were sprayed, their eyes red and puffy, offering bottles of milk and water to splash on their faces. By the end of the night, the protesters had stolen about 15 barricades and left police to form a line of officers holding riot shields to keep back the swelling crowd. At one point, the protesters were able to gain control of an officer’s shield and set it ablaze before trying to toss it back at the line of officers. Police used a smoke device to quickly stop them. The protest went on for hours before police declared the gathering “unlawful” and ordered everyone to leave the seven-acre public park. Dozens of officers pushed forward with their shields and fired off streams of pepper spray at protesters. Some protesters broke the bricks from the pavement and hurled chunks at the officers. Police did not immediately provide any information about arrests.

The president’s Saturday message is also worth quoting in full:

“Great job last night at the White House by the US @SecretService. They were not only totally professional, but very cool. I was inside, watched every move, and couldn’t have felt more safe. “They let the “protesters” scream & rant as much as they wanted, but whenever someone got too frisky or out of line, they would quickly come down on them, hard – didn’t know what hit them. The front line was replaced with fresh agents, like magic. “Big crowd, professionally organized, but nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had they would have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least. “Many Secret Service agents just waiting for action. “We put the young ones on the front line, sir, they love it, and good practice.” As you saw last night, they were very cool & very professional. Never let it get out of hand. Thank you! “On the bad side, the DC Mayor, @MurielBowser, who is always looking for money & help, wouldn’t let the DC Police get involved. “Not their job.” Nice!”

So Trump is making a political point at a Democratic authority figure, in this case an African American in a majority African American city, once again.

4m ago 14:46

In a since-deleted tweet, Donald Trump appeared to insinuate protesters outside the White House last night were being paid – or at least were directed by professionals. The president is, of course, known for his appetite for baseless conspiracy theories.

“They professionally managed so-called ‘protesters’ at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd,” he wrote. “They were just their to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???”

sarahs mum said:

4m ago 14:46

In a since-deleted tweet, Donald Trump appeared to insinuate protesters outside the White House last night were being paid – or at least were directed by professionals. The president is, of course, known for his appetite for baseless conspiracy theories.

“They professionally managed so-called ‘protesters’ at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd,” he wrote. “They were just their to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???”

Lol.

I wonder if this is the sign of a man who has used many professionally organised himself in the past.

“This isn’t politics. This is human rights,” said Burrow, who was raised in Athens, Ohio.

Yeah right where do they think they are, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea ¿

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

4m ago 14:46

In a since-deleted tweet, Donald Trump appeared to insinuate protesters outside the White House last night were being paid – or at least were directed by professionals. The president is, of course, known for his appetite for baseless conspiracy theories.

“They professionally managed so-called ‘protesters’ at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd,” he wrote. “They were just their to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???”

Lol.

I wonder if this is the sign of a man who has used many professionally organised himself in the past.

false flags everywhere but you know what, the faithful will buy it

I’ll be happy when a snap like this is real.

Bubblecar said:

I’ll be happy when a snap like this is real.

I’d be shitting myself if anything like that was for real.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ll be happy when a snap like this is real.

I’d be shitting myself if anything like that was for real.

Shitting yourself with joy that the law finally caught up with them, OK.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ll be happy when a snap like this is real.

I’d be shitting myself if anything like that was for real.

Shitting yourself with joy that the law finally caught up with them, OK.

No, realising that one of the world’s great democracies wasn’t going to be one any more.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

I’d be shitting myself if anything like that was for real.

Shitting yourself with joy that the law finally caught up with them, OK.

No, realising that one of the world’s great democracies wasn’t going to be one any more.

Explain your reasoning?

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ll be happy when a snap like this is real.

I’d be shitting myself if anything like that was for real.

they’re bound to find something they can out him away for if they take the time to look into him after he leaves office. Depending on when that is and who succeeds him, he may not get a pardon.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ll be happy when a snap like this is real.

I’d be shitting myself if anything like that was for real.

they’re bound to find something they can out him away for if they take the time to look into him after he leaves office. Depending on when that is and who succeeds him, he may not get a pardon.

Let’s hope so.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Shitting yourself with joy that the law finally caught up with them, OK.

No, realising that one of the world’s great democracies wasn’t going to be one any more.

Explain your reasoning?

For that to happen the opposition has come after you big time.

Trump’s a fuckwit. I get that, but what has he done that’s illegal? I’m not talking small time bullshit either, or Russian collusion (rofl). Fuck me, previous presidents have killed thousands of civilians without an eyebrow being raised. American citizens being targeted in foreign countries. All without a murmur.

Just to recap for those playing along at home: Donald Trump has committed numerous felonies while in office. The fact that he is not in prison now is a reflection of a real weakness in American democracy. As his prosecutors have pointedly noted, once he leaves office it is expected he will be prosecuted. Some of these, he has the capacity to pardon himself for, but not all.

dv said:

Just to recap for those playing along at home: Donald Trump has committed numerous felonies while in office. The fact that he is not in prison now is a reflection of a real weakness in American democracy. As his prosecutors have pointedly noted, once he leaves office it is expected he will be prosecuted. Some of these, he has the capacity to pardon himself for, but not all.

As his prosecutors have pointedly noted,

Err, say what?

sibeen said:

dv said:

Just to recap for those playing along at home: Donald Trump has committed numerous felonies while in office. The fact that he is not in prison now is a reflection of a real weakness in American democracy. As his prosecutors have pointedly noted, once he leaves office it is expected he will be prosecuted. Some of these, he has the capacity to pardon himself for, but not all.

As his prosecutors have pointedly noted,

Err, say what?

Fair point: as those who have been commissioned to investigate him have pointedly noted.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

No, realising that one of the world’s great democracies wasn’t going to be one any more.

Explain your reasoning?

For that to happen the opposition has come after you big time.

Trump’s a fuckwit. I get that, but what has he done that’s illegal? I’m not talking small time bullshit either, or Russian collusion (rofl). Fuck me, previous presidents have killed thousands of civilians without an eyebrow being raised. American citizens being targeted in foreign countries. All without a murmur.

And yet there they are with 100000 dead when if he had just told the truth it might have been half that number.

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Just to recap for those playing along at home: Donald Trump has committed numerous felonies while in office. The fact that he is not in prison now is a reflection of a real weakness in American democracy. As his prosecutors have pointedly noted, once he leaves office it is expected he will be prosecuted. Some of these, he has the capacity to pardon himself for, but not all.

As his prosecutors have pointedly noted,

Err, say what?

Fair point: as those who have been commissioned to investigate him have pointedly noted.

Which means precisely nothing. An accusation can be thrown around by any dickhead.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

No, realising that one of the world’s great democracies wasn’t going to be one any more.

Explain your reasoning?

For that to happen the opposition has come after you big time.

Trump’s a fuckwit. I get that, but what has he done that’s illegal? I’m not talking small time bullshit either, or Russian collusion (rofl). Fuck me, previous presidents have killed thousands of civilians without an eyebrow being raised. American citizens being targeted in foreign countries. All without a murmur.

The man is not psychologically capable of honest dealing. They’ll find something. It maybe a case of the political mood of the time being about restoring faith and purging his legacy. He’ll have few friends.

sibeen said:

For that to happen the opposition has come after you big time.

No they don’t.

The opposition doesn’t have to do anything at all. In the normal course of events, when the Department of Justice is once again made independent, they will investigate and prosecute known felons for their felonies. No one in the Democrats even needs to lift a finger or worry about it. He’s out of prison now because of extraordinary historical action by William Barr and congressional Republicans.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

As his prosecutors have pointedly noted,

Err, say what?

Fair point: as those who have been commissioned to investigate him have pointedly noted.

Which means precisely nothing. An accusation can be thrown around by any dickhead.

And that is my point. Next president’s a dem, and the republicans start. Any minor point, rumour, slight indiscretion and it’s boots in. Governments cannot run like that.

Still, mustn’t get ahead of ourselves. There’s a pretty decent chance he’ll win the election, which really will be the end of the independence of the DOJ and the rule of law.

They had a good run.

There was footage of him saying there’s been more than a million deaths due to Covid-19 on the ABC news tonight.

Just remind me again… how many is a Brazilian?

Rule 303 said:

There was footage of him saying there’s been more than a million deaths due to Covid-19 on the ABC news tonight.

Just remind me again… how many is a Brazilian?

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

Rule 303 said:

There was footage of him saying there’s been more than a million deaths due to Covid-19 on the ABC news tonight.

Just remind me again… how many is a Brazilian?

Being a colossal moron isn’t a crime though. I mean if it was he’d be on Death Row.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

There was footage of him saying there’s been more than a million deaths due to Covid-19 on the ABC news tonight.

Just remind me again… how many is a Brazilian?

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

I doubt he’s capable of it.

On the other hand, while it is public knowledge that the President committed felonies, it is not clear that Eric or Ivanka did so that aspect of the Time front page might be over the top. As the Mueller Report, not in so many words, noted, Don Junior is a complete moron who could not be expected to realise that what he was doing (commissioning foreign support for an election campaign) was against the law, so it probably wouldn’t pass the intent test.

“As the Mueller Report, not in so many words…”

Since no-one but Barr has read it, we may yet find information of interest contained therein.

sibeen said:

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. There were over 100 points of contact between Trump team members and Russian officials and agents: five of the people involved lied to the FBI about it. People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

So focusing instead on the documented crimes:

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice and 2 of providing false information to federal prosecutors. I know you think these are bullshit offences but in the context of investigations into serious crimes (as these were) they take on the seriousness of the crimes they were potentially obscuring. No one would break these laws except in defence of graver offences.

President Trump has, more or less constantly, breached the Emoluments Clause of the constitution, by trading favours for foreign individuals and governments in exchange for support for his organisations.

Trump broke the law in making funding that Congress had approved contingent on personal favours by foreign governments: Qatar and Ukraine.

He has also broken campaign finance laws several times. This is small beer compared to the other material but hey.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. There were over 100 points of contact between Trump team members and Russian officials and agents: five of the people involved lied to the FBI about it. People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

So focusing instead on the documented crimes:

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice and 2 of providing false information to federal prosecutors. I know you think these are bullshit offences but in the context of investigations into serious crimes (as these were) they take on the seriousness of the crimes they were potentially obscuring. No one would break these laws except in defence of graver offences.

President Trump has, more or less constantly, breached the Emoluments Clause of the constitution, by trading favours for foreign individuals and governments in exchange for support for his organisations.

Trump broke the law in making funding that Congress had approved contingent on personal favours by foreign governments: Qatar and Ukraine.

He has also broken campaign finance laws several times. This is small beer compared to the other material but hey.

It only needs one of them to stick.

Nobody can accept a presidential pardon without admitting guilt of the crime. Even if the next president feels in a pardoning mood.

3m ago 15:57

From Washington, Daniel Strauss considers what the George Floyd death and ensuing protests mean for US politics, in the year of perhaps the most consequential presidential election of modern times. (Easy contrasts are available to the election of 1968, when violence raged across the summer and Richard Nixon, standing on a law and order platform which Donald Trump consciously appropriated in 2016, went on to beat Hubert Humphrey for the White House.)

Here’s Daniel:

Donald Trump and Joe Biden offered divergent responses that point to an even more divisive political debate on race relations and between Democrats and Republicans in the months ahead.

The president, in a tweet in the early hours of Friday, warned that “when the looting starts, the shooting starts”. Later on Friday the former vice-president in a video address called for national unity and serious police reform, saying: “This is no time for incendiary tweets. This is no time to encourage violence. This is a national crisis, and we need real leadership right now.”

At a press conference in the Rose Garden where the president seemed poised to further address Floyd’s death and the riots, Trump instead announced that the US would withdraw from the World Health Organization. He did not mention the riots or Floyd’s death.

Meanwhile, Biden revealed he had already spoken to Floyd’s grieving family and spoke emotionally of the shock at his killing and society’s racial problems. “We’re a country with an open wound. None of us any longer can hear the words ‘I can’t breathe’ and do nothing,” he said.

The wildly different responses by the two men battling for the White House under the ongoing cloud of the coronavirus pandemic has left party leaders unsure of what exactly the final months of the presidential election will now look like.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. There were over 100 points of contact between Trump team members and Russian officials and agents: five of the people involved lied to the FBI about it. People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

So focusing instead on the documented crimes:

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice and 2 of providing false information to federal prosecutors. I know you think these are bullshit offences but in the context of investigations into serious crimes (as these were) they take on the seriousness of the crimes they were potentially obscuring. No one would break these laws except in defence of graver offences.

President Trump has, more or less constantly, breached the Emoluments Clause of the constitution, by trading favours for foreign individuals and governments in exchange for support for his organisations.

Trump broke the law in making funding that Congress had approved contingent on personal favours by foreign governments: Qatar and Ukraine.

He has also broken campaign finance laws several times. This is small beer compared to the other material but hey.

People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

ROFL

And that’s where we completely disagree.

Given enough time it’s basically impossible not to lie to the FBI, or any other government agency. They ask enough questions eventually you’re going to answer one incorrectly. The date is slightly wrong, the time, the name of the girlfriend. Hey, was it raining at the time? What colour was that dress she was wearing, or the suit he was?

And that’s where we completely disagree.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. There were over 100 points of contact between Trump team members and Russian officials and agents: five of the people involved lied to the FBI about it. People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

So focusing instead on the documented crimes:

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice and 2 of providing false information to federal prosecutors. I know you think these are bullshit offences but in the context of investigations into serious crimes (as these were) they take on the seriousness of the crimes they were potentially obscuring. No one would break these laws except in defence of graver offences.

President Trump has, more or less constantly, breached the Emoluments Clause of the constitution, by trading favours for foreign individuals and governments in exchange for support for his organisations.

Trump broke the law in making funding that Congress had approved contingent on personal favours by foreign governments: Qatar and Ukraine.

He has also broken campaign finance laws several times. This is small beer compared to the other material but hey.

People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

ROFL

And that’s where we completely disagree.

Given enough time it’s basically impossible not to lie to the FBI, or any other government agency. They ask enough questions eventually you’re going to answer one incorrectly. The date is slightly wrong, the time, the name of the girlfriend. Hey, was it raining at the time? What colour was that dress she was wearing, or the suit he was?

And that’s where we completely disagree.

could say “don’t know”, that isn’t a crime either

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. There were over 100 points of contact between Trump team members and Russian officials and agents: five of the people involved lied to the FBI about it. People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

So focusing instead on the documented crimes:

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice and 2 of providing false information to federal prosecutors. I know you think these are bullshit offences but in the context of investigations into serious crimes (as these were) they take on the seriousness of the crimes they were potentially obscuring. No one would break these laws except in defence of graver offences.

President Trump has, more or less constantly, breached the Emoluments Clause of the constitution, by trading favours for foreign individuals and governments in exchange for support for his organisations.

Trump broke the law in making funding that Congress had approved contingent on personal favours by foreign governments: Qatar and Ukraine.

He has also broken campaign finance laws several times. This is small beer compared to the other material but hey.

People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

ROFL

And that’s where we completely disagree.

Given enough time it’s basically impossible not to lie to the FBI, or any other government agency. They ask enough questions eventually you’re going to answer one incorrectly. The date is slightly wrong, the time, the name of the girlfriend. Hey, was it raining at the time? What colour was that dress she was wearing, or the suit he was?

And that’s where we completely disagree.

could say “don’t know”, that isn’t a crime either

If someone had suggested that lying to to FBI (and here the term police, investigator, walloper, etc will stand in) was a crime the cries of outrage from those left of centre would have been legion. Now it’s “oh, that’s a crime because someone on the right apparently did it”.

Does my head in.

clearly the model of liberty cough has a siege problem, so perhaps the question might be how is liberty (philosophy) so corrupted as to generate an exploitable siege mentality that self-perpetuates

I think the only possible defence for Trump would be one of competence or sanity: ie the defence would be that he’s such a random dopy lunatic cunt that he really has no idea of the consequences or importance of the things he does as President of the United States.

dwarf theory of mind, does that leader, about as psychologically minded as a potato, compensates by projecting polarizing and inflammatory notions, appealing to, as if those views (devices of ideology) ought maintain mental states, wants to be in peoples heads a lot, and doesn’t progress the public good much at all, the damage done will take quite a long time to recover from, it’ll be expensive too

doesn’t know that what he doesn’t know, has ideas worse than none at all

dv said:

sibeen said:

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. There were over 100 points of contact between Trump team members and Russian officials and agents: five of the people involved lied to the FBI about it. People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

So focusing instead on the documented crimes:

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice and 2 of providing false information to federal prosecutors. I know you think these are bullshit offences but in the context of investigations into serious crimes (as these were) they take on the seriousness of the crimes they were potentially obscuring. No one would break these laws except in defence of graver offences.

President Trump has, more or less constantly, breached the Emoluments Clause of the constitution, by trading favours for foreign individuals and governments in exchange for support for his organisations.

Trump broke the law in making funding that Congress had approved contingent on personal favours by foreign governments: Qatar and Ukraine.

He has also broken campaign finance laws several times. This is small beer compared to the other material but hey.

_Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. _

Yes, it does matter. I don’t give a toss if there were ten thousand contacts between Trump team members and some Russian official because that happens all the time. It’s actually ridiculous to think that an incoming administration wouldn’t be having contact or that a prospective administration wouldn’t be having conversations.

sibeen said:

If someone had suggested that … (…) was a crime the cries of outrage from those left of centre would have been legion. Now it’s “oh, that’s a crime because someone on the right apparently did it”.

Does my head in.

well we could simply accept that there is no independent department of justice and whether perjury is not is a matter of political expediency

sarahs mum said:

Protesters Clash With Police In Cities Nationwide Over George Floyd’s Death | The 11th Hour | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4AoagJnGE

I sort of understand burning down the police station.

Haven’t read the entire thread
so I’ll just ‘skip to the chase’:

There were more than one officers involved.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

ROFL

And that’s where we completely disagree.

Given enough time it’s basically impossible not to lie to the FBI, or any other government agency. They ask enough questions eventually you’re going to answer one incorrectly. The date is slightly wrong, the time, the name of the girlfriend. Hey, was it raining at the time? What colour was that dress she was wearing, or the suit he was?

And that’s where we completely disagree.

could say “don’t know”, that isn’t a crime either

If someone had suggested that lying to to FBI (and here the term police, investigator, walloper, etc will stand in) was a crime the cries of outrage from those left of centre would have been legion. Now it’s “oh, that’s a crime because someone on the right apparently did it”.

Does my head in.

dude…

It’s always been a very serious crime. What literally in the fuck are you talking about?

dv said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

could say “don’t know”, that isn’t a crime either

If someone had suggested that lying to to FBI (and here the term police, investigator, walloper, etc will stand in) was a crime the cries of outrage from those left of centre would have been legion. Now it’s “oh, that’s a crime because someone on the right apparently did it”.

Does my head in.

dude…

It’s always been a very serious crime. What literally in the fuck are you talking about?

Some people who went to prison for lying to the FBI include Martha Stewart, Bernie Madoff, Scooter Libby, Jeffrey Skilling of Enron. All of them were lying to cover serious offences: if it were not a felony to lie to the FBI it would be very easy for felons to cover their tracks.

dv said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

If someone had suggested that lying to to FBI (and here the term police, investigator, walloper, etc will stand in) was a crime the cries of outrage from those left of centre would have been legion. Now it’s “oh, that’s a crime because someone on the right apparently did it”.

Does my head in.

dude…

It’s always been a very serious crime. What literally in the fuck are you talking about?

Some people who went to prison for lying to the FBI include Martha Stewart, Bernie Madoff, Scooter Libby, Jeffrey Skilling of Enron. All of them were lying to cover serious offences: if it were not a felony to lie to the FBI it would be very easy for felons to cover their tracks.

they’ve got this “defense [cis] in depth” thing all worked out, already talking about electoral fraud, redefine “crime”, what’s left, what’s left

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

If Trump loses the election in November, will he go quietly and with good grace, or will he incite violence and disorder from his supporters?

Are you sure he inciting violence and disorder this far out from the election?

The Dark Past Of President Trump’s
When The Looting Starts, The Shooting Starts

dv said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

If someone had suggested that lying to to FBI (and here the term police, investigator, walloper, etc will stand in) was a crime the cries of outrage from those left of centre would have been legion. Now it’s “oh, that’s a crime because someone on the right apparently did it”.

Does my head in.

dude…

It’s always been a very serious crime. What literally in the fuck are you talking about?

Some people who went to prison for lying to the FBI include Martha Stewart, Bernie Madoff, Scooter Libby, Jeffrey Skilling of Enron. All of them were lying to cover serious offences: if it were not a felony to lie to the FBI it would be very easy for felons to cover their tracks.

Well we’ll have to agree to disagree then. I don’t believe that there should be a crime like ‘Making false statements’ (lying to the wallopers) as it is open to misuse. As to the people you’ve mentioned they were all charged with other crimes as well as the aforementioned.

sibeen said:

dv said:

dv said:

dude…

It’s always been a very serious crime. What literally in the fuck are you talking about?

Some people who went to prison for lying to the FBI include Martha Stewart, Bernie Madoff, Scooter Libby, Jeffrey Skilling of Enron. All of them were lying to cover serious offences: if it were not a felony to lie to the FBI it would be very easy for felons to cover their tracks.

Well we’ll have to agree to disagree then. I don’t believe that there should be a crime like ‘Making false statements’ (lying to the wallopers) as it is open to misuse. As to the people you’ve mentioned they were all charged with other crimes as well as the aforementioned.

It’s all very well for lefty idealists like sibeen to argue for the right to tell fibs to the fbi, but is there a legal system anywhere in the World where it is not a criminal offence to knowingly tell lies to the police?

Ogmog said:

sarahs mum said:

Protesters Clash With Police In Cities Nationwide Over George Floyd’s Death | The 11th Hour | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4AoagJnGE

I sort of understand burning down the police station.

Haven’t read the entire thread
so I’ll just ‘skip to the chase’:

There were more than one officers involved.

There is also a clip of the minutes prior to the knee in throat. When the fellow was questioned on the sidewalk. He followed all the instructions. He was in full view of all the passers by. Then he was instructed to stand. He was taken behind the car. And the deed was done. It does seem like intent was known by more than one officer.

Q: What borders on stupid?

A: Canada and Mexico

party_pants said:

Q: What borders on stupid?

A: Canada and Mexico

LOL

party_pants said:

Q: What borders on stupid?

A: Canada and Mexico

LOL

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Some people who went to prison for lying to the FBI include Martha Stewart, Bernie Madoff, Scooter Libby, Jeffrey Skilling of Enron. All of them were lying to cover serious offences: if it were not a felony to lie to the FBI it would be very easy for felons to cover their tracks.

Well we’ll have to agree to disagree then. I don’t believe that there should be a crime like ‘Making false statements’ (lying to the wallopers) as it is open to misuse. As to the people you’ve mentioned they were all charged with other crimes as well as the aforementioned.

It’s all very well for lefty idealists like sibeen to argue for the right to tell fibs to the fbi, but is there a legal system anywhere in the World where it is not a criminal offence to knowingly tell lies to the police?

sibeen dreams of greater things

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Q: What borders on stupid?

A: Canada and Mexico

LOL

I’ve heard it reported that one of the most tedious duties for Canada Border Services staff is explaining to American visitors that no, they can’t bring that gun into Canada.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Q: What borders on stupid?

A: Canada and Mexico

LOL

I’ve heard it reported that one of the most tedious duties for Canada Border Services staff is explaining to American visitors that no, they can’t bring that gun into Canada.

They should start beating them over the head with sticks. Only way they’ll learn for some people.

Divine Angel said:

^

Divine Angel said:

Not yet. He’s got till January 2021 (or January 2025).

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266952661791674370

Divine Angel said:

Clearly: no.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/may/30/george-floyd-protests-minnesota-governor-riots-looting-police

The first video shown, uploaded two hours ago, is just surreal.

sibeen said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/may/30/george-floyd-protests-minnesota-governor-riots-looting-police

The first video shown, uploaded two hours ago, is just surreal.

I found that bit of twitter footage I posted a bit back there surreal. It seemed like a nice neighbourhood. And even though the kids didn’t go inside when they were told to…

Paul Brand
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WATCH: Some pretty big crowds in London marching down Whitehall for #BlackLivesMatterUK protests

5m ago 16:24

The protests have spread beyond the US. Crowds have gathered outside the US embassy in London as part of a Black Lives Matter demonstration and have also marched down Whitehall.

Journalists covering the protests and riots that have erupted in US cities after the killing of George Floyd have reported being shot at, teargassed and arrested, as well as being intimidated by crowds.

More than 30 incidents of violence and harassment against media workers were reported on social media and in news outlets on Friday and Saturday, according to a tally the Guardian collated.

They included the blinding of Linda Tirado, a freelance photojournalist and activist who has contributed to the Guardian, who was hit in the eye with a nonlethal round while covering unrest in Minneapolis; the arrest of the HuffPost US reporter Chris Mathias during protests in New York; and the shooting of the Swedish foreign correspondent Nina Svanberg, who was struck in the leg by several rubber bullets on Friday night.
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“They’re sighting us in,” a member of a CBS News crew was heard saying in another incident in Minneapolis on Saturday, as police fired rubber bullets at the team, who said they were wearing press credentials and carrying large cameras. A sound engineer was struck in the arm, a journalist from the outlet said.

A Canadian Broadcasting Corporation journalist, Susan Ormiston, was hit with a gas canister also while covering the protests in the city. “The thing is, we were in that parking lot all by ourselves,” she said in a broadcast. The police “fired at us to clear us away but we clearly had our camera equipment visible”.

Minneapolis was the scene of especially acute unrest on Saturday night as authorities imposed a curfew and deployed the Minnesota state national guard to clear the streets and prevent the rioting and looting of the previous night.

Protests have spread to more than 30 states across the US since Floyd’s death on Monday. Curfews are in place in dozens of cities and hundreds of people have been arrested.

David Kaye, the UN special rapporteur on freedom of expression, said the reports of attacks on journalists were “appalling and must be condemned and perpetrators held accountable”.

“They are a repudiation of fundamental rights enjoyed by all Americans, under the constitution and human rights law,” he said on Twitter. “Poor training combined with incessant attacks by Trump on the press as enemy no doubt contribute to an environment ready for such abuse.”

The US president has regularly called the media the “enemy of the people”, including in a tweet he posted on Saturday.

The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders ranked the US 48th in the world in its 2019, down three places as a result of growing abuse of journalists in the country. “Never before have US journalists been subjected to so many death threats or turned so often to private security firms for protection,” the report said.

The majority of the most recent incidents appeared to be perpetrated by police, but there were at least two involving crowds. A crew from the conservative outlet Fox News was surrounded by protesters outside the White House early on Saturday morning and jeered at and pelted with objects until they were forced to clear the area. An angry crowd also stormed the headquarters of CNN in Atlanta on Friday.

Police in Louisville, Kentucky, apologised on Saturday after a television reporter covering protests in the city on Friday night was hit with what appeared to be a pepper ball, shouting “I’m getting shot” live on air.

Many of Saturday’s attacks were filmed by the reporters involved. In his footage, the VICENews correspondent Michael Anthony Adams could be heard shouting “press” repeatedly as an officer approached him with his gun raised.

“I’m press,” he says. “I don’t care,” the officer replies. He was pepper sprayed while lying on the ground shortly afterwards.

Some of the incidents were broadcast on national television, including one in which a nonlethal explosive device was fired near the MSNBC correspondent Morgan Chesky and his crew. The CNN correspondent Omar Jiminez was arrested live on air on Friday and released a short time later.

The investigative reporter Ryan Raiche said he had been standing with other journalists in Minneapolis in what he thought was a safe area when police started targeting the group. “We kept saying we’re media,” he said in tweeted. “Police teargassed and pepper sprayed the entire group.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protests-reporters-targeted-by-police-and-crowds

dv said:

sibeen said:

Look, I agree, the man is a complete dickhead. I just don’t believe he colluded with Russians to become president.

Collusion is not a crime technically: you might be right that he didn’t collude, but it doesn’t matter. There were over 100 points of contact between Trump team members and Russian officials and agents: five of the people involved lied to the FBI about it. People don’t lie to the FBI for nothing: there’s a reason it is a serious offence, because no one would do it except if covering up something worse.

So focusing instead on the documented crimes:

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice and 2 of providing false information to federal prosecutors. I know you think these are bullshit offences but in the context of investigations into serious crimes (as these were) they take on the seriousness of the crimes they were potentially obscuring. No one would break these laws except in defence of graver offences.

President Trump has, more or less constantly, breached the Emoluments Clause of the constitution, by trading favours for foreign individuals and governments in exchange for support for his organisations.

Trump broke the law in making funding that Congress had approved contingent on personal favours by foreign governments: Qatar and Ukraine.

He has also broken campaign finance laws several times. This is small beer compared to the other material but hey.

DOJ Dismisses Flynn? Not So Fast

(LegalEagle’s Law Review)

so do you wise ones think that they rioters are all in the Russian Pay, or is it that the Glorious Leaders Of America Had One Job To Do before the next interferelection and instead they fkd it all up first with COVID-19 responstupidity and then letting this civil unrest thing blow up in their faces

SCIENCE said:

so do you wise ones think that they rioters are all in the Russian Pay, or is it that the Glorious Leaders Of America Had One Job To Do before the next interferelection and instead they fkd it all up first with COVID-19 responstupidity and then letting this civil unrest thing blow up in their faces

I thiink that the USA is unraveling the tenuous unifying strands.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

so do you wise ones think that they rioters are all in the Russian Pay, or is it that the Glorious Leaders Of America Had One Job To Do before the next interferelection and instead they fkd it all up first with COVID-19 responstupidity and then letting this civil unrest thing blow up in their faces

I thiink that the USA is unraveling the tenuous unifying strands.

Morning all.
There seems to be a tendency to riot & loot in the US. It’s almost as if it’s part of their culture.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

so do you wise ones think that they rioters are all in the Russian Pay, or is it that the Glorious Leaders Of America Had One Job To Do before the next interferelection and instead they fkd it all up first with COVID-19 responstupidity and then letting this civil unrest thing blow up in their faces

I thiink that the USA is unraveling the tenuous unifying strands.

Morning all.
There seems to be a tendency to riot & loot in the US. It’s almost as if it’s part of their culture.

That’s because a motza of them don’t have a job a home or a health care system.

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2003/04/11/Rumsfeld-Looting-is-transition-to-freedom/63821050097983/

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2003/04/11/Rumsfeld-Looting-is-transition-to-freedom/63821050097983/

So looting is OK in Baghdad but not in the USA?

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

LAW & ORDER!
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8:52 AM – Jun 1, 2020

Mr Trump blamed left-wing groups for causing the riots.

He said anarchists and militant anti-fascists under the umbrella term Antifa were to blame for riots that formed off the back of largely peaceful protests.

Though the group, whose followers organise resistance to white supremacists, is not an official organisation, Mr Trump said Antifa would be designated as a terrorist group.

23m ago 21:26
Trump reportedly taken to ‘underground bunker’ during Friday protest

As protests sparked by the death of George Floyd raged outside the White House on Friday night, Donald Trump was taken into a special secure bunker, the New York Times reported.

Floyd’s death in Minneapolis on Monday, has sparked unrest and protests in dozens of cities across the US, including Washington DC. Demonstrators have gathered outside the White House since Friday night, with clashes erupting intermittently outside the very perimeter of the White House.

As protesters converged on the White House on Friday, the “Secret Service agents abruptly rushed the president to the underground bunker used in the past during terrorist attacks,” the Times reported.

Hardened to withstand the force of a passenger jet crashing into the White House, the bunker is the same one that sheltered vice president Dick Cheney during the terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

“The president and his family were rattled by their experience on Friday night, according to several advisers,” the Times report said.

sarahs mum said:

23m ago 21:26
Trump reportedly taken to ‘underground bunker’ during Friday protest

As protests sparked by the death of George Floyd raged outside the White House on Friday night, Donald Trump was taken into a special secure bunker, the New York Times reported.

Floyd’s death in Minneapolis on Monday, has sparked unrest and protests in dozens of cities across the US, including Washington DC. Demonstrators have gathered outside the White House since Friday night, with clashes erupting intermittently outside the very perimeter of the White House.

As protesters converged on the White House on Friday, the “Secret Service agents abruptly rushed the president to the underground bunker used in the past during terrorist attacks,” the Times reported.

Hardened to withstand the force of a passenger jet crashing into the White House, the bunker is the same one that sheltered vice president Dick Cheney during the terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

“The president and his family were rattled by their experience on Friday night, according to several advisers,” the Times report said.

Trump rattled? Would he ever admit that?

hiding coward always

SCIENCE said:

hiding coward always

This time, not really. It’s SOP.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

hiding coward always

This time, not really. It’s SOP.

A thing of no great value given or done as a concession to appease someone whose main concerns or demands are not being met¿

Yes we know the crime was earlier, getting the extremists into power in the first place, but just because it’s what is done, doesn’t change the fact that there is cowardice, there is hiding, and it is all long-standing.

sarahs mum said:

23m ago 21:26
Trump reportedly taken to ‘underground bunker’ during Friday protest

As protests sparked by the death of George Floyd raged outside the White House on Friday night, Donald Trump was taken into a special secure bunker, the New York Times reported.

“The president and his family were rattled by their experience on Friday night, according to several advisers,” the Times report said.

Good that he was rattled.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

23m ago 21:26
Trump reportedly taken to ‘underground bunker’ during Friday protest

As protests sparked by the death of George Floyd raged outside the White House on Friday night, Donald Trump was taken into a special secure bunker, the New York Times reported.

“The president and his family were rattled by their experience on Friday night, according to several advisers,” the Times report said.

Good that he was rattled.

Be good to see his cage rattled more vigorously.

Fire, pestilence and a country at war with itself: the Trump presidency is over
Robert Reich
Robert Reich

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/31/donald-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-george-floyd-minneapolis-tweets

Black Lives Matter protest in Wichita changed to cookout with police
WICHITA – What was originally planned as a protest march turned into a cookout where Wichita police and a diverse group of residents broke bread together.

The Wichita Eagle reports that organizers of the protest met with Police Chief Gordon Ramsay for several hours, ending with an agreement for the cookout, which took place Sunday at a city park. Several Wichita police officers took part.

Black Lives Matter protesters had planned to march on Sunday, but after organizers met with Chief Ramsay for hours, according to the protesters, they agreed to break bread together instead.

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article90247307.html#storylink=cpy

sarahs mum said:

23m ago 21:26
Trump reportedly taken to ‘underground bunker’ during Friday protest

As protests sparked by the death of George Floyd raged outside the White House on Friday night, Donald Trump was taken into a special secure bunker, the New York Times reported.

Floyd’s death in Minneapolis on Monday, has sparked unrest and protests in dozens of cities across the US, including Washington DC. Demonstrators have gathered outside the White House since Friday night, with clashes erupting intermittently outside the very perimeter of the White House.

As protesters converged on the White House on Friday, the “Secret Service agents abruptly rushed the president to the underground bunker used in the past during terrorist attacks,” the Times reported.

Hardened to withstand the force of a passenger jet crashing into the White House, the bunker is the same one that sheltered vice president Dick Cheney during the terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

“The president and his family were rattled by their experience on Friday night, according to several advisers,” the Times report said.

Boohoo. Some people don’t like Donald.

sarahs mum said:

Black Lives Matter protest in Wichita changed to cookout with police
WICHITA – What was originally planned as a protest march turned into a cookout where Wichita police and a diverse group of residents broke bread together.

The Wichita Eagle reports that organizers of the protest met with Police Chief Gordon Ramsay for several hours, ending with an agreement for the cookout, which took place Sunday at a city park. Several Wichita police officers took part.

Black Lives Matter protesters had planned to march on Sunday, but after organizers met with Chief Ramsay for hours, according to the protesters, they agreed to break bread together instead.

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article90247307.html#storylink=cpy

Of course Che(i)f Gordon Ramsay is going to want to have a cook out, but he probably yelled and swore at them for over cooking the sausages…

sarahs mum said:

Black Lives Matter protest in Wichita changed to cookout with police
WICHITA – What was originally planned as a protest march turned into a cookout where Wichita police and a diverse group of residents broke bread together.

The Wichita Eagle reports that organizers of the protest met with Police Chief Gordon Ramsay for several hours, ending with an agreement for the cookout, which took place Sunday at a city park. Several Wichita police officers took part.

Black Lives Matter protesters had planned to march on Sunday, but after organizers met with Chief Ramsay for hours, according to the protesters, they agreed to break bread together instead.

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article90247307.html#storylink=cpy

Breaking bread huh, have they never heard of bread slicers?

sarahs mum said:

Black Lives Matter protest in Wichita changed to cookout with police
WICHITA – What was originally planned as a protest march turned into a cookout where Wichita police and a diverse group of residents broke bread together.

The Wichita Eagle reports that organizers of the protest met with Police Chief Gordon Ramsay for several hours, ending with an agreement for the cookout, which took place Sunday at a city park. Several Wichita police officers took part.

Black Lives Matter protesters had planned to march on Sunday, but after organizers met with Chief Ramsay for hours, according to the protesters, they agreed to break bread together instead.

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article90247307.html#storylink=cpy

Good things ARE possible. Even whilst bad things are happening.

Kellie Chauvin, through her attorney, expressed condolences to Floyd’s family and said she’s filed for dissolution of her marriage, ABC has confirmed.

KSTP’s Full Coverage

Derek Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd’s death. Three other officers were fired in connection to Floyd’s death, but they have not been taken into custody or charged as of Friday night.

Kellie Chauvin’s full statement released by her attorney is below:

“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin. While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”

https://kstp.com/news/wife-of-minneapolis-police-officer-charged-in-george-floyds-death-files-for-divorce-may-29-2020/5745296/

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Black Lives Matter protest in Wichita changed to cookout with police
WICHITA – What was originally planned as a protest march turned into a cookout where Wichita police and a diverse group of residents broke bread together.

The Wichita Eagle reports that organizers of the protest met with Police Chief Gordon Ramsay for several hours, ending with an agreement for the cookout, which took place Sunday at a city park. Several Wichita police officers took part.

Black Lives Matter protesters had planned to march on Sunday, but after organizers met with Chief Ramsay for hours, according to the protesters, they agreed to break bread together instead.

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article90247307.html#storylink=cpy

Good things ARE possible. Even whilst bad things are happening.

Excellent way to pre-empt the infiltrating and incitement that has apparently been going on to destroy the peaceful marches.

Didn’t all of this happen before in the 1980’s with the death of Rodney King?

.. and a few more since then?

Nothing will change.

party_pants said:

Didn’t all of this happen before in the 1980’s with the death of Rodney King?

.. and a few more since then?

Nothing will change.

Rodney king was 1991. And was more limited to LA. But then we didn’t have social media then.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

Didn’t all of this happen before in the 1980’s with the death of Rodney King?

.. and a few more since then?

Nothing will change.

Rodney king was 1991. And was more limited to LA. But then we didn’t have social media then.

What we need is a great big melting pot.
Big enough big enough to take the world and all it’s got.
and keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
We’ll turn out coffee coloured people by the score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHT_V294Co

4m ago 03:45
Julian Borger

Julian Borger

Things are getting tense outside the White House as an 11 o’clock curfew approaches.

The protest this evening started out relatively cheerfully with a crowd of a few thousand in Lafayette Park, the public gardens just in front of the White House. But as the night progressed, protesters faced off against a line of a few hundred police. You could just see the camouflage uniforms of the National Guard behind the police line. Then a few firecrackers were hurled from the crowd and the police responded with a couple of rounds of tear gas and rapid advance towards the protesters.

People scattered and fires were set in the surrounding streets. A car was set on fire on I Street and a few men ran along the road swinging baseball bats at every car they came across. A hundred yards from the White House, a small knot of protesters fired three projectiles at the AFLCIO Union headquarters breaking plate glass windows.

Lay Down

Say what you like about Trump, he’s certainly made America — nay, the whole world — grate.

btm said:

Say what you like about Trump, he’s certainly made America — nay, the whole world — grate.

He grates upon my tough bark, yair.

12m ago 04:05
Police arrested NYC mayor’s daughter at protest Saturday night

Police arrested the New York City mayor’s 25-year-old daughter at a protest in Manhattan on Saturday night, the New York Post first reported, citing law enforcement sources.

Chiara de Blasio “was one of about 100 people who refused to leave the roadway when advised by police,” ABC7 New York reported.

She did not tell police that she was the mayor’s daughter, but she did give her home address as the address of the governor’s mansion, the Post reported.

In his political campaigns, de Blasio has spoken out about raising black children in America: he is white, and his wife, Chirlane McCray, is black.
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25m ago 04:10
Washington Monument surrounded by smoke from multiple fires
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6m ago 04:29 Confederate monument torn down in Birmingham, Alabama

As unrest over state violence towards black Americans roils the country, protesters have torn down one confederate statue in Birmingham, Alabama, and defaced another confederate monument.

btm said:

Say what you like about Trump, he’s certainly made America — nay, the whole world — grate.

la râpe d’Amérique

sarahs mum said:

Kellie Chauvin, through her attorney, expressed condolences to Floyd’s family and said she’s filed for dissolution of her marriage, ABC has confirmed.

KSTP’s Full Coverage

Derek Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd’s death. Three other officers were fired in connection to Floyd’s death, but they have not been taken into custody or charged as of Friday night.

Kellie Chauvin’s full statement released by her attorney is below:

“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin. While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”

https://kstp.com/news/wife-of-minneapolis-police-officer-charged-in-george-floyds-death-files-for-divorce-may-29-2020/5745296/

chauvinists

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Kellie Chauvin, through her attorney, expressed condolences to Floyd’s family and said she’s filed for dissolution of her marriage, ABC has confirmed.

KSTP’s Full Coverage

Derek Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd’s death. Three other officers were fired in connection to Floyd’s death, but they have not been taken into custody or charged as of Friday night.

Kellie Chauvin’s full statement released by her attorney is below:

“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin. While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”

https://kstp.com/news/wife-of-minneapolis-police-officer-charged-in-george-floyds-death-files-for-divorce-may-29-2020/5745296/

chauvinists

holy shit I didn’t even make that connection

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Kellie Chauvin, through her attorney, expressed condolences to Floyd’s family and said she’s filed for dissolution of her marriage, ABC has confirmed.

KSTP’s Full Coverage

Derek Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd’s death. Three other officers were fired in connection to Floyd’s death, but they have not been taken into custody or charged as of Friday night.

Kellie Chauvin’s full statement released by her attorney is below:

“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin. While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”

https://kstp.com/news/wife-of-minneapolis-police-officer-charged-in-george-floyds-death-files-for-divorce-may-29-2020/5745296/

chauvinists

holy shit I didn’t even make that connection

and I thought you loved facts?

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Kellie Chauvin, through her attorney, expressed condolences to Floyd’s family and said she’s filed for dissolution of her marriage, ABC has confirmed.

KSTP’s Full Coverage

Derek Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd’s death. Three other officers were fired in connection to Floyd’s death, but they have not been taken into custody or charged as of Friday night.

Kellie Chauvin’s full statement released by her attorney is below:

“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin. While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”

https://kstp.com/news/wife-of-minneapolis-police-officer-charged-in-george-floyds-death-files-for-divorce-may-29-2020/5745296/

chauvinists

holy shit I didn’t even make that connection

…

chauvinist
/ˈʃəʊv(ɪ)nɪst/

noun
plural noun: chauvinists
a person displaying aggressive or exaggerated patriotism.
a person displaying excessive or prejudiced support for their own cause, group, or sex.

—

this year, what a year

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Kellie Chauvin, through her attorney, expressed condolences to Floyd’s family and said she’s filed for dissolution of her marriage, ABC has confirmed.

KSTP’s Full Coverage

Derek Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in Floyd’s death. Three other officers were fired in connection to Floyd’s death, but they have not been taken into custody or charged as of Friday night.

Kellie Chauvin’s full statement released by her attorney is below:

“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin. While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”

https://kstp.com/news/wife-of-minneapolis-police-officer-charged-in-george-floyds-death-files-for-divorce-may-29-2020/5745296/

chauvinists

LOL

Is it going like magic or what, we understand exponential growth in a pandemic and we had the predicts, but whether riots constitute revolution we really couldn’t say. Anyone else have any clearer idea ¿

Was the Berlin Wall dismantling this violent ¿ What about the Mexican Paid Wall ¿

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3 hours ago
By Peter Marsh

Things seem to be flaring right now
Any idea how bad this will get, are we looking at an escalating situation with no end, are there any signs of slowing down, or becoming more peaceful?

-Sam

Honestly Sam it’s really hard to tell. In some places things are quite chaotic as it looks like police are moving on protesters who have stayed out in defiance of curfews.

2m ago 11:04

We’ve already reported how China’s state media is using these protests as an opportunity to goad Donald Trump and deflect from its own government’s treatment of Hong Kong and protesters in the city.

Iran is also getting in on the act. Its foreign ministry spokesman has just given this press conference that observers are saying is the first he’s ever given in English, in which he directly addresses American protesters with messages of support.

Abas Aslani @AbasAslani

#Iran’s Foreign Ministry spox to American people: The world has heard your outcry over the State oppression. The world is standing with you…The American regime is perusing violence & bullying at home & abroad…Stop violence against your people & let them breathe.#GeorgeFloyd

His government doesn’t deem Iranians worthy of the same support, if last November’s nationwide protests are any indication. Security forces used teargas, live ammunition and other repressive measures to crush those demonstrations, which also involved riots and destruction of banks and state buildings. Estimates of how many were killed range from 304, according to Amnesty International, to about 1,500 according to Reuters. The Iranian government has not released its own figure.

sarahs mum said:

2m ago 11:04

We’ve already reported how China’s state media is using these protests as an opportunity to goad Donald Trump and deflect from its own government’s treatment of Hong Kong and protesters in the city.

Iran is also getting in on the act. Its foreign ministry spokesman has just given this press conference that observers are saying is the first he’s ever given in English, in which he directly addresses American protesters with messages of support.

Abas Aslani @AbasAslani

#Iran’s Foreign Ministry spox to American people: The world has heard your outcry over the State oppression. The world is standing with you…The American regime is perusing violence & bullying at home & abroad…Stop violence against your people & let them breathe.#GeorgeFloyd

His government doesn’t deem Iranians worthy of the same support, if last November’s nationwide protests are any indication. Security forces used teargas, live ammunition and other repressive measures to crush those demonstrations, which also involved riots and destruction of banks and state buildings. Estimates of how many were killed range from 304, according to Amnesty International, to about 1,500 according to Reuters. The Iranian government has not released its own figure.

wow they’re now going to try to pull some kind of reverse-what-about-ism on this shit ¿¡ see China do it, see Iran do it, what about them, it’s obviously fine for us to do it

¿¿ also where are the kwits asking “is it worth the economic cost of enforcing a curfew, this disease doesn’t affect us privileged” now eh ¿ where are them kwits asking “is closing down the state border and major highways worth the cost, the convenience for us privileged” ¿?¿

SCIENCE said:

¿¿ also where are the kwits asking “is it worth the economic cost of enforcing a curfew, this disease doesn’t affect us privileged” now eh ¿ where are them kwits asking “is closing down the state border and major highways worth the cost, the convenience for us privileged” ¿?¿

Kiwis have flattened that curve to a line.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

¿¿ also where are the kwits asking “is it worth the economic cost of enforcing a curfew, this disease doesn’t affect us privileged” now eh ¿ where are them kwits asking “is closing down the state border and major highways worth the cost, the convenience for us privileged” ¿?¿

Kiwis have flattened that curve to a line.

are they enforcing a curlew?

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

¿¿ also where are the kwits asking “is it worth the economic cost of enforcing a curfew, this disease doesn’t affect us privileged” now eh ¿ where are them kwits asking “is closing down the state border and major highways worth the cost, the convenience for us privileged” ¿?¿

Kiwis have flattened that curve to a line.

are they enforcing a curlew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8H5I9QIJKI

Michael V said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Kiwis have flattened that curve to a line.

are they enforcing a curlew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8H5I9QIJKI

Kerkyra

Michael V said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Kiwis have flattened that curve to a line.

are they enforcing a curlew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8H5I9QIJKI

How can America be great again when police are shooting innocent blacks?

Maybe America can be great again after the police shootings stop.

Maybe in parts there is a little bit of greatness.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-01/police-officers-stand-with-us-protesters-after-floyd-death/12308430

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

are they enforcing a curlew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8H5I9QIJKI

How can America be great again when police are shooting innocent blacks?

Maybe America can be great again after the police shootings stop.

Also the press have copped a beating.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

are they enforcing a curlew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8H5I9QIJKI

Kerkyra

idgi

Or do you mean Corflute?

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8H5I9QIJKI

How can America be great again when police are shooting innocent blacks?

Maybe America can be great again after the police shootings stop.

Also the press have copped a beating.

I read that a Swedish reporter was blinded by a rubber bullet.

:(

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How can America be great again when police are shooting innocent blacks?

Maybe America can be great again after the police shootings stop.

Also the press have copped a beating.

I read that a Swedish reporter was blinded by a rubber bullet.

:(

He probably deserved it somehow…. they’ll say. Blame will be laid on the victims. Grubby Politics 101.

Tomorrow you’re homeless, Tonight it’s a blast

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-01/trump-has-declared-antifa-a-terrorist-organisation-who-are-they/12307706

MAGA. If you don’t like fascism, you are a terrorist…

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Also the press have copped a beating.

I read that a Swedish reporter was blinded by a rubber bullet.

:(

He probably deserved it somehow…. they’ll say. Blame will be laid on the victims. Grubby Politics 101.

She. And yes…

:(

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How can America be great again when police are shooting innocent blacks?

Maybe America can be great again after the police shootings stop.

Also the press have copped a beating.

I read that a Swedish reporter was blinded by a rubber bullet.

:(

Indonesian reporter in Hong Kong?

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Also the press have copped a beating.

I read that a Swedish reporter was blinded by a rubber bullet.

:(

Indonesian reporter in Hong Kong?

I haven’t read about that.

The news that Donald Trump spent part of Friday evening in the presidential bunker, as protesters massed near to the White House, is getting a lot of traction online. #BunkerBoy is the leading trend on Twitter in the United States and in the top five in Australia.

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Also the press have copped a beating.

I read that a Swedish reporter was blinded by a rubber bullet.

:(

Indonesian reporter in Hong Kong?

https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266786161143537669

sure worse happens but fk

16m ago 12:05
California to close all state buildings in downtown areas

California’s Department of Human Resources has just issued a directive that all state buildings “with offices in downtown city areas” must be closed on Monday, a sweeping order that covers everything from Department of Motor Vehicles offices to those that license workers and provide health care, the Associated Press reports.

“After consultation with the California Highway Patrol and Office of Emergency Services, the decision was made this evening to advise all state departments with offices in downtown city areas to close tomorrow, and to notify staff of the decision,” said Amy Palmer, a spokeswoman for the state Government Operations Agency.

The directive was sent Sunday evening and it was left up to officials at individual agencies to determine which buildings should be closed.

A state Department of Justice memo sent to employees said the attorney general’s offices in Sacramento, Oakland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego would be closed, though employees who can work from home should do so.

“Staff assigned to these offices should not report to work for any reason. Staff who are able to telework should continue to do so despite the office closures,” the memo said.

sarahs mum said:

The news that Donald Trump spent part of Friday evening in the presidential bunker, as protesters massed near to the White House, is getting a lot of traction online. #BunkerBoy is the leading trend on Twitter in the United States and in the top five in Australia.

Lol @ BunkerBoy.

:)

also worth remembering that this is the same country that has led the world down various wars, climate denial, all kinds of conspiracies and theories for the past 30 years

SCIENCE said:

also worth remembering that this is the same country that has led the world down various wars, climate denial, all kinds of conspiracies and theories for the past 30 years

Yes, and now they’ve invented a new bogeyman to blame it all on.

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:05
California to close all state buildings in downtown areas

California’s Department of Human Resources has just issued a directive that all state buildings “with offices in downtown city areas” must be closed on Monday, a sweeping order that covers everything from Department of Motor Vehicles offices to those that license workers and provide health care, the Associated Press reports.

“After consultation with the California Highway Patrol and Office of Emergency Services, the decision was made this evening to advise all state departments with offices in downtown city areas to close tomorrow, and to notify staff of the decision,” said Amy Palmer, a spokeswoman for the state Government Operations Agency.

The directive was sent Sunday evening and it was left up to officials at individual agencies to determine which buildings should be closed.

A state Department of Justice memo sent to employees said the attorney general’s offices in Sacramento, Oakland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego would be closed, though employees who can work from home should do so.

“Staff assigned to these offices should not report to work for any reason. Staff who are able to telework should continue to do so despite the office closures,” the memo said.

so, what is the economic cost

maybe they don’t need to close, the riots are fake, fake news, it’s just a fkn mild cold

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:05
California to close all state buildings in downtown areas

California’s Department of Human Resources has just issued a directive that all state buildings “with offices in downtown city areas” must be closed on Monday, a sweeping order that covers everything from Department of Motor Vehicles offices to those that license workers and provide health care, the Associated Press reports.

“After consultation with the California Highway Patrol and Office of Emergency Services, the decision was made this evening to advise all state departments with offices in downtown city areas to close tomorrow, and to notify staff of the decision,” said Amy Palmer, a spokeswoman for the state Government Operations Agency.

The directive was sent Sunday evening and it was left up to officials at individual agencies to determine which buildings should be closed.

A state Department of Justice memo sent to employees said the attorney general’s offices in Sacramento, Oakland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego would be closed, though employees who can work from home should do so.

“Staff assigned to these offices should not report to work for any reason. Staff who are able to telework should continue to do so despite the office closures,” the memo said.

so, what is the economic cost

maybe they don’t need to close, the riots are fake, fake news, it’s just a fkn mild cold

Let them mass together, without a care for social distancing, might wipe a few of them out…

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

I read that a Swedish reporter was blinded by a rubber bullet.

:(

Indonesian reporter in Hong Kong?

https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266786161143537669

sure worse happens but fk

:(

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:05
California to close all state buildings in downtown areas

California’s Department of Human Resources has just issued a directive that all state buildings “with offices in downtown city areas” must be closed on Monday, a sweeping order that covers everything from Department of Motor Vehicles offices to those that license workers and provide health care, the Associated Press reports.

“After consultation with the California Highway Patrol and Office of Emergency Services, the decision was made this evening to advise all state departments with offices in downtown city areas to close tomorrow, and to notify staff of the decision,” said Amy Palmer, a spokeswoman for the state Government Operations Agency.

The directive was sent Sunday evening and it was left up to officials at individual agencies to determine which buildings should be closed.

A state Department of Justice memo sent to employees said the attorney general’s offices in Sacramento, Oakland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego would be closed, though employees who can work from home should do so.

“Staff assigned to these offices should not report to work for any reason. Staff who are able to telework should continue to do so despite the office closures,” the memo said.

so, what is the economic cost

maybe they don’t need to close, the riots are fake, fake news, it’s just a fkn mild cold

Let them mass together, without a care for social distancing, might wipe a few of them out…

It’s not the geriatrics rioting so a few is all it would be.

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

16m ago 12:05
California to close all state buildings in downtown areas

California’s Department of Human Resources has just issued a directive that all state buildings “with offices in downtown city areas” must be closed on Monday, a sweeping order that covers everything from Department of Motor Vehicles offices to those that license workers and provide health care, the Associated Press reports.

“After consultation with the California Highway Patrol and Office of Emergency Services, the decision was made this evening to advise all state departments with offices in downtown city areas to close tomorrow, and to notify staff of the decision,” said Amy Palmer, a spokeswoman for the state Government Operations Agency.

The directive was sent Sunday evening and it was left up to officials at individual agencies to determine which buildings should be closed.

A state Department of Justice memo sent to employees said the attorney general’s offices in Sacramento, Oakland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego would be closed, though employees who can work from home should do so.

“Staff assigned to these offices should not report to work for any reason. Staff who are able to telework should continue to do so despite the office closures,” the memo said.

so, what is the economic cost

maybe they don’t need to close, the riots are fake, fake news, it’s just a fkn mild cold

Let them mass together, without a care for social distancing, might wipe a few of them out…

we mean fk, police ain’t even killed one quarter as many African Americans over the past 6 years, as COVID-19 sorry we mean THE CHINESE killed in the past 6 weeks

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

also worth remembering that this is the same country that has led the world down various wars, climate denial, all kinds of conspiracies and theories for the past 30 years

Yes, and now they’ve invented a new bogeyman to blame it all on.

Only one?

poikilotherm said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

so, what is the economic cost

maybe they don’t need to close, the riots are fake, fake news, it’s just a fkn mild cold

Let them mass together, without a care for social distancing, might wipe a few of them out…

It’s not the geriatrics rioting so a few is all it would be.

I had read that it was disproportionately affecting minority communities and those communities are highly represented in the protesting…

furious said:

poikilotherm said:

furious said:

Let them mass together, without a care for social distancing, might wipe a few of them out…

It’s not the geriatrics rioting so a few is all it would be.

I had read that it was disproportionately affecting minority communities and those communities are highly represented in the protesting…

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Race_Hispanic

Don’t be fooled by the link, it’s got all the races …

43m ago 21:22
Good morning…

…and welcome to another day of coverage of the protests arising from the police killing of George Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who died in Minneapolis a week ago, when a police officer kneeled on his neck.

The US is now in the grip of the worst civil unrest since the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Jr, in the violent year of 1968. With overnight curfews ignored, major and minor cities have become the scene of confrontation between protesters and riot police, looters and the national guard. Thousands have been arrested. There have been fatalities and frightening attacks. Fires have been reported in many cities, Washington and Philadelphia among them.

sarahs mum said:

43m ago 21:22
Good morning…

…and welcome to another day of coverage of the protests arising from the police killing of George Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who died in Minneapolis a week ago, when a police officer kneeled on his neck.

The US is now in the grip of the worst civil unrest since the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Jr, in the violent year of 1968. With overnight curfews ignored, major and minor cities have become the scene of confrontation between protesters and riot police, looters and the national guard. Thousands have been arrested. There have been fatalities and frightening attacks. Fires have been reported in many cities, Washington and Philadelphia among them.

Sigh.

sarahs mum said:

43m ago 21:22
Good morning…

…and welcome to another day of coverage of the protests arising from the police killing of George Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who died in Minneapolis a week ago, when a police officer kneeled on his neck.

The US is now in the grip of the worst civil unrest since the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Jr, in the violent year of 1968. With overnight curfews ignored, major and minor cities have become the scene of confrontation between protesters and riot police, looters and the national guard. Thousands have been arrested. There have been fatalities and frightening attacks. Fires have been reported in many cities, Washington and Philadelphia among them.

Things are going from bad to worse then…

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

43m ago 21:22
Good morning…

…and welcome to another day of coverage of the protests arising from the police killing of George Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who died in Minneapolis a week ago, when a police officer kneeled on his neck.

The US is now in the grip of the worst civil unrest since the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Jr, in the violent year of 1968. With overnight curfews ignored, major and minor cities have become the scene of confrontation between protesters and riot police, looters and the national guard. Thousands have been arrested. There have been fatalities and frightening attacks. Fires have been reported in many cities, Washington and Philadelphia among them.

Things are going from bad to worse then…

Getting grated.

Has anyone else heard that animals have been released from a zoo by protesters? I have seen images of a hippo, monkey, kangaroo, giraffe and tiger in the streets but there is no good reference.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

43m ago 21:22
Good morning…

…and welcome to another day of coverage of the protests arising from the police killing of George Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who died in Minneapolis a week ago, when a police officer kneeled on his neck.

The US is now in the grip of the worst civil unrest since the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Jr, in the violent year of 1968. With overnight curfews ignored, major and minor cities have become the scene of confrontation between protesters and riot police, looters and the national guard. Thousands have been arrested. There have been fatalities and frightening attacks. Fires have been reported in many cities, Washington and Philadelphia among them.

Things are going from bad to worse then…

Getting grated.

Fortunately, they have a rifle behind every blade of grass and natural right to resist oppression. Things should be fine.

Speedy said:

Has anyone else heard that animals have been released from a zoo by protesters? I have seen images of a hippo, monkey, kangaroo, giraffe and tiger in the streets but there is no good reference.

In the last 24 hours, I would only have read it if the link was posted here.

party_pants said:

Speedy said:

Has anyone else heard that animals have been released from a zoo by protesters? I have seen images of a hippo, monkey, kangaroo, giraffe and tiger in the streets but there is no good reference.

In the last 24 hours, I would only have read it if the link was posted here.

I just tried to search and it appears that these reports are false. Strange as the page that posted the photos is usually good with facts.

Speedy said:

party_pants said:

Speedy said:

Has anyone else heard that animals have been released from a zoo by protesters? I have seen images of a hippo, monkey, kangaroo, giraffe and tiger in the streets but there is no good reference.

In the last 24 hours, I would only have read it if the link was posted here.

I just tried to search and it appears that these reports are false. Strange as the page that posted the photos is usually good with facts.

Just as we have been beset by bots here at times, there are bots disseminating BS info getting around everywhere.
I blame North Korea suppported by Russia and China, Syria etc.

roughbarked said:

Speedy said:

party_pants said:

In the last 24 hours, I would only have read it if the link was posted here.

I just tried to search and it appears that these reports are false. Strange as the page that posted the photos is usually good with facts.

Just as we have been beset by bots here at times, there are bots disseminating BS info getting around everywhere.
I blame North Korea suppported by Russia and China, Syria etc.

Botswana and Nigeria too.

There is going to be a Make America safe again summit.

sarahs mum said:

There is going to be a Make America safe again summit.

the state governors should refuse to attend.

sarahs mum said:

There is going to be a Make America safe again summit.

So they are removing Trump froom the peak?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

transition said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

At least this is where America’s greatest music comes from, the protest song.

The late sixties really set that scene.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/donald-trump-george-floyd-protests-send-in-military/12310480

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/antifa-members-are-secretive-and-paranoid-but-pretty-ordinary/12309238

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/donald-trump-george-floyd-protests-send-in-military/12310480

I don’t know if that will make things better or worse but as it stands now things are getting out of hand…

furious said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/donald-trump-george-floyd-protests-send-in-military/12310480

I don’t know if that will make things better or worse but as it stands now things are getting out of hand…

DT was right. The Mexicans want to build the wall. But it’s to keep the Americans out.

https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/photos/a.53081056748/10157802006381749/?type=3&theater

The little essay on that last link is worth a read. But it is going to raise the ire of the present President.

buffy said:

The little essay on that last link is worth a read. But it is going to raise the ire of the present President.

America has too many elections and combined with voluntary voting it leads to disinterest at the local level. That is what needs to be reformed…

And this is one of the links to obama.org

https://www.obama.org/anguish-and-action/?fbclid=IwAR3hJfp5wy7zLy2MrVQfPY5lNmSYL_sH5XalTM9bjqdiihSGZVUm12IUIR8

If he is coming out to speak now, and he’s been very restrained for the past 4 years, he must really think it’s necessary. It’s not usual for a past president to do this, I think.

De-escalation Keeps Protesters And Police Safer. Departments Respond With Force Anyway.

Three federal commissions concluded that when police escalate force those efforts can often go wrong, creating the very violence that force was meant to prevent.

Turns out, we do know some of these answers. Researchers have spent 50 years studying the way crowds of protesters and crowds of police behave — and what happens when the two interact. One thing they will tell you is that when the police respond by escalating force — wearing riot gear from the start, or using tear gas on protesters — it doesn’t work. In fact, disproportionate police force is one of the things that can make a peaceful protest not so peaceful. But if we know that (and have known that for decades), why are police still doing it?

“There’s this failed mindset of ‘if we show force, immediately we will deter criminal activity or unruly activity’ and show me where that has worked,” said Scott Thomson, the former chief of police in Camden, New Jersey.

“That’s the primal response,” he said. “The adrenaline starts to pump, the temperature in the room is rising, and you want to go one step higher. But what we need to know as professionals is that there are times, if we go one step higher, we are forcing them to go one step higher.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/

buffy said:

And this is one of the links to obama.org

https://www.obama.org/anguish-and-action/?fbclid=IwAR3hJfp5wy7zLy2MrVQfPY5lNmSYL_sH5XalTM9bjqdiihSGZVUm12IUIR8

If he is coming out to speak now, and he’s been very restrained for the past 4 years, he must really think it’s necessary. It’s not usual for a past president to do this, I think.

Well he is a democrat and he may be also acting for his party to support them. He’s also of dark skin so he may well be of use as an orator that will be listened to.

Perhaps he simply sees a chink in Trumps armour?

dv said:

De-escalation Keeps Protesters And Police Safer. Departments Respond With Force Anyway.

Three federal commissions concluded that when police escalate force those efforts can often go wrong, creating the very violence that force was meant to prevent.

Turns out, we do know some of these answers. Researchers have spent 50 years studying the way crowds of protesters and crowds of police behave — and what happens when the two interact. One thing they will tell you is that when the police respond by escalating force — wearing riot gear from the start, or using tear gas on protesters — it doesn’t work. In fact, disproportionate police force is one of the things that can make a peaceful protest not so peaceful. But if we know that (and have known that for decades), why are police still doing it?

“There’s this failed mindset of ‘if we show force, immediately we will deter criminal activity or unruly activity’ and show me where that has worked,” said Scott Thomson, the former chief of police in Camden, New Jersey.

“That’s the primal response,” he said. “The adrenaline starts to pump, the temperature in the room is rising, and you want to go one step higher. But what we need to know as professionals is that there are times, if we go one step higher, we are forcing them to go one step higher.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/

Yeah. But Trump wouldn’t be listening to 50 years of study.

Police Are Killing Fewer People In Big Cities, But More In Suburban And Rural America 
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De-escalation Keeps Protesters And Police Safer. Departments Respond With Force Anyway.

PHOTO ILLUSTRATION BY FIVETHIRTYEIGHT / GETTY IMAGES

Police Are Killing Fewer People In Big Cities, But More In Suburban And Rural America 

By Samuel Sinyangwe

Filed under Police Killings

Published Jun. 1, 2020

Six years after nationwide protests against police violence captured the country’s attention, the recent killings of Breonna Taylor and George Floyd have put the issue of police violence back into national focus. Many are left asking what, if anything, has really changed?

In the absence of comprehensive federal data, databases such as Fatal Encounters, Mapping Police Violence and The Washington Post’s Fatal Force project have tracked these killings year after year. And the data produced by these projects suggests that police, at least on a national level, are killing people as often now as they were before Michael Brown’s death in Ferguson, Missouri, sparked widespread protests in 2014.

But these numbers don’t tell the whole story. While the nationwide total of people killed by police nationwide has remained steady, the numbers have dropped significantly in America’s largest cities, likely due to reforms to use-of-force policies implemented in the wake of high-profile deaths. Those decreases, however, have been offset by increases in police killings in more suburban and rural areas. It seems that solutions that can reduce police killings exist, in other words — the issue may be whether an area has the political will to enact them.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/police-are-killing-fewer-people-in-big-cities-but-more-in-suburban-and-rural-america/

roughbarked said:

dv said:

De-escalation Keeps Protesters And Police Safer. Departments Respond With Force Anyway.

Three federal commissions concluded that when police escalate force those efforts can often go wrong, creating the very violence that force was meant to prevent.

Turns out, we do know some of these answers. Researchers have spent 50 years studying the way crowds of protesters and crowds of police behave — and what happens when the two interact. One thing they will tell you is that when the police respond by escalating force — wearing riot gear from the start, or using tear gas on protesters — it doesn’t work. In fact, disproportionate police force is one of the things that can make a peaceful protest not so peaceful. But if we know that (and have known that for decades), why are police still doing it?

“There’s this failed mindset of ‘if we show force, immediately we will deter criminal activity or unruly activity’ and show me where that has worked,” said Scott Thomson, the former chief of police in Camden, New Jersey.

“That’s the primal response,” he said. “The adrenaline starts to pump, the temperature in the room is rising, and you want to go one step higher. But what we need to know as professionals is that there are times, if we go one step higher, we are forcing them to go one step higher.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/

Yeah. But Trump wouldn’t be listening to 50 years of study.

During the flower power era there is a photo of a soldier in full riot gear with a lady protestor putting a flower in the barrel of his rifle.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

De-escalation Keeps Protesters And Police Safer. Departments Respond With Force Anyway.

Three federal commissions concluded that when police escalate force those efforts can often go wrong, creating the very violence that force was meant to prevent.

Turns out, we do know some of these answers. Researchers have spent 50 years studying the way crowds of protesters and crowds of police behave — and what happens when the two interact. One thing they will tell you is that when the police respond by escalating force — wearing riot gear from the start, or using tear gas on protesters — it doesn’t work. In fact, disproportionate police force is one of the things that can make a peaceful protest not so peaceful. But if we know that (and have known that for decades), why are police still doing it?

“There’s this failed mindset of ‘if we show force, immediately we will deter criminal activity or unruly activity’ and show me where that has worked,” said Scott Thomson, the former chief of police in Camden, New Jersey.

“That’s the primal response,” he said. “The adrenaline starts to pump, the temperature in the room is rising, and you want to go one step higher. But what we need to know as professionals is that there are times, if we go one step higher, we are forcing them to go one step higher.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/

Yeah. But Trump wouldn’t be listening to 50 years of study.

During the flower power era there is a photo of a soldier in full riot gear with a lady protestor putting a flower in the barrel of his rifle.

There was a lot of that but at Kent state Uni, Ohio. Four flower fitters were shot and killed. CSN&Y wrote a song about it called, OHIO.

Neil Young wasn’t a fan of Richard Nixon, like many at the Time.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Yeah. But Trump wouldn’t be listening to 50 years of study.

During the flower power era there is a photo of a soldier in full riot gear with a lady protestor putting a flower in the barrel of his rifle.

There was a lot of that but at Kent state Uni, Ohio. Four flower fitters were shot and killed. CSN&Y wrote a song about it called, OHIO.

Neil Young wasn’t a fan of Richard Nixon, like many at the Time.

Sadly true.

Tamb said:

furious said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/donald-trump-george-floyd-protests-send-in-military/12310480

I don’t know if that will make things better or worse but as it stands now things are getting out of hand…

DT was right. The Mexicans want to build the wall. But it’s to keep the Americans out.

it said send in military

buffy said:

The little essay on that last link is worth a read. But it is going to raise the ire of the present President.

what do you mean, it suggests that postal voting fraud by going to be a problem at all

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

The little essay on that last link is worth a read. But it is going to raise the ire of the present President.

what do you mean, it suggests that postal voting fraud by going to be a problem at all

I’d ask you what you mean axtually. Your sentence is a brain twister.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

The little essay on that last link is worth a read. But it is going to raise the ire of the present President.

what do you mean, it suggests that postal voting fraud by going to be a problem at all

I can’t see how voting in a first world democratic nation can be messed up unless its deliberate, checks and balances already in place should stop fraud

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

The little essay on that last link is worth a read. But it is going to raise the ire of the present President.

what do you mean, it suggests that postal voting fraud by going to be a problem at all

I can’t see how voting in a first world democratic nation can be messed up unless its deliberate, checks and balances already in place should stop fraud

maybe the system is broken

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

what do you mean, it suggests that postal voting fraud by going to be a problem at all

I can’t see how voting in a first world democratic nation can be messed up unless its deliberate, checks and balances already in place should stop fraud

maybe the system is broken

Several states already use mail-in voting as a matter of course. There’s be no significant level of voter fraud.

dv said:

Good on him.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

The little essay on that last link is worth a read. But it is going to raise the ire of the present President.

what do you mean, it suggests that postal voting fraud by going to be a problem at all

I’d ask you what you mean axtually. Your sentence is a brain twister.

the implication is that people will turn up to vote anyway, fknoze, they’re prepared to riot despite a pandemic, it must mean something to them, and Papa Obama is reminding them to go and make a difference

compare it to the Protests By The Privileged that suddenly quieten down the moment any real challenge starts up

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

I can’t see how voting in a first world democratic nation can be messed up unless its deliberate, checks and balances already in place should stop fraud

maybe the system is broken

Several states already use mail-in voting as a matter of course. There’s be no significant level of voter fraud.

sorry we mean maybe the system of letting fkn idiots call the shots is broken, but we acknowledge that people may not want to go there

Michael V said:

dv said:

Good on him.

About time someone stoodup to him without fear of being sacked.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe the system is broken

Several states already use mail-in voting as a matter of course. There’s be no significant level of voter fraud.

sorry we mean maybe the system of letting fkn idiots call the shots is broken, but we acknowledge that people may not want to go there

Quite likely I imagine

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Good on him.

About time someone stoodup to him without fear of being sacked.

well damn and here we thought it was an attempt at pun on the misreading of ‘rn’ as ‘m’ videlicet https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/27/anti-pom-filters-stop-dominic-cummings-trending-on-twitter (note of course that link gets a 404, maybe it’s been filtered)

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Several states already use mail-in voting as a matter of course. There’s be no significant level of voter fraud.

sorry we mean maybe the system of letting fkn idiots call the shots is broken, but we acknowledge that people may not want to go there

Quite likely I imagine

Their president can do no wrong.
If he salutes the flag then they’ll follow him anywhere no matter what kind of a despot he may be.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Good on him.

Remember there is to be a funeral in Houston in the next few days. And I read elsewhere that the police have promised the drive with it. I think that must be one of the police departments where the boss does know how to de-escalate and in so doing look after the troops.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

sorry we mean maybe the system of letting fkn idiots call the shots is broken, but we acknowledge that people may not want to go there

Quite likely I imagine

Their president can do no wrong.
If he salutes the flag then they’ll follow him anywhere no matter what kind of a despot he may be.

Seems that way doesn’t it, I mean he’s a disgusting human being in public let alone what he must be like in private and he’s still god to many people

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Quite likely I imagine

Their president can do no wrong.
If he salutes the flag then they’ll follow him anywhere no matter what kind of a despot he may be.

Seems that way doesn’t it, I mean he’s a disgusting human being in public let alone what he must be like in private and he’s still god to many people

I’d love to be a flag manufacturer in the USA anyway. I’d be richer than dozens of weather girls.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Quite likely I imagine

Their president can do no wrong.
If he salutes the flag then they’ll follow him anywhere no matter what kind of a despot he may be.

Seems that way doesn’t it, I mean he’s a disgusting human being in public let alone what he must be like in private and he’s still god to many people

I know it is highly unlikely to happen but compulsory voting seems to be the best method of weeding out the nutters.

The police chief of Kentucky’s largest city has been fired after the mayor learned officers involved in a shooting that killed the popular African-American owner of a barbecue spot failed to activate body cameras during the chaotic scene.

David McAtee, a man known for offering meals to police officers, was killed early on Monday while police officers and National Guard soldiers were enforcing a curfew amid waves of protests over a previous police shooting in Kentucky’s largest city.

Police said they were responding to gunfire from a crowd that had gathered there.

SCIENCE said:

The police chief of Kentucky’s largest city has been fired after the mayor learned officers involved in a shooting that killed the popular African-American owner of a barbecue spot failed to activate body cameras during the chaotic scene.

David McAtee, a man known for offering meals to police officers, was killed early on Monday while police officers and National Guard soldiers were enforcing a curfew amid waves of protests over a previous police shooting in Kentucky’s largest city.

Police said they were responding to gunfire from a crowd that had gathered there.

The killing of black people in the USA by police must be incredibly ingrained into the force as they don’t even show restraint after all the previous controversies, it’s almost like a sick game

Mr Trump declared himself “the president of law and order” and threatened to deploy the United States military in American cities to quell a rise of violent protests.

Federal US troops are prohibited from performing domestic law enforcement actions such as making arrests, seizing property or searching people.

However, in extreme cases the president can invoke the civil war-era Insurrection Act, which allows the use of active-duty or National Guard troops for law enforcement.

Activist groups could be banned. Courts could impose long jail sentences for national security violations.

Clues on the coming security law can be found in earlier templates:

Both contained broadly worded bans on sedition, subversion, secession and treason, while also enhancing law enforcement powers. Both bills also made it easier for the authorities to win national security cases in court.

“If you do not plan to engage in acts of secession, subversion, terrorism or conspiring with foreign influence… you will have no reason to fear,” Tung Chee-hwa, who was the city’s chief executive at the time of the 2003 national legislation, said on Monday.

The current plan for national security laws is considerably broader than the 2003 bill. For starters, it calls for a ban on terrorism. The latest national security plan also widens the definition of subversion.

American measures may prompt the Standing Committee to write even more stringent legislation this summer, he added. “If they push hard,” Mr. Lau said, “it may change for the worse rather than the better.”

SCIENCE said:

Mr Trump declared himself “the president of law and order” and threatened to deploy the United States military in American cities to quell a rise of violent protests.

Federal US troops are prohibited from performing domestic law enforcement actions such as making arrests, seizing property or searching people.

However, in extreme cases the president can invoke the civil war-era Insurrection Act, which allows the use of active-duty or National Guard troops for law enforcement.

Activist groups could be banned. Courts could impose long jail sentences for national security violations.

Clues on the coming security law can be found in earlier templates:

Both contained broadly worded bans on sedition, subversion, secession and treason, while also enhancing law enforcement powers. Both bills also made it easier for the authorities to win national security cases in court.

“If you do not plan to engage in acts of secession, subversion, terrorism or conspiring with foreign influence… you will have no reason to fear,” Tung Chee-hwa, who was the city’s chief executive at the time of the 2003 national legislation, said on Monday.

The current plan for national security laws is considerably broader than the 2003 bill. For starters, it calls for a ban on terrorism. The latest national security plan also widens the definition of subversion.

American measures may prompt the Standing Committee to write even more stringent legislation this summer, he added. “If they push hard,” Mr. Lau said, “it may change for the worse rather than the better.”

It could get a lot worse I mean how many guns would these protestors have it they decided to use them

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Mr Trump declared himself “the president of law and order” and threatened to deploy the United States military in American cities to quell a rise of violent protests.

Federal US troops are prohibited from performing domestic law enforcement actions such as making arrests, seizing property or searching people.

However, in extreme cases the president can invoke the civil war-era Insurrection Act, which allows the use of active-duty or National Guard troops for law enforcement.

Activist groups could be banned. Courts could impose long jail sentences for national security violations.

Clues on the coming security law can be found in earlier templates:

Both contained broadly worded bans on sedition, subversion, secession and treason, while also enhancing law enforcement powers. Both bills also made it easier for the authorities to win national security cases in court.

“If you do not plan to engage in acts of secession, subversion, terrorism or conspiring with foreign influence… you will have no reason to fear,” Tung Chee-hwa, who was the city’s chief executive at the time of the 2003 national legislation, said on Monday.

The current plan for national security laws is considerably broader than the 2003 bill. For starters, it calls for a ban on terrorism. The latest national security plan also widens the definition of subversion.

American measures may prompt the Standing Committee to write even more stringent legislation this summer, he added. “If they push hard,” Mr. Lau said, “it may change for the worse rather than the better.”

It could get a lot worse I mean how many guns would these protestors have it they decided to use them

Their guns are also assault type weapons and if they really want they can have big guns too.

transition said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

Good choice.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

Good choice.

Yes.

Why are they so intent of stopping these people from protesting?

It is just going to make the sense of injustice worse if the police are turned upon them for protesting a genuine grievance.

party_pants said:

Why are they so intent of stopping these people from protesting?

It is just going to make the sense of injustice worse if the police are turned upon them for protesting a genuine grievance.

They aren’t trying to stop them protesting.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Why are they so intent of stopping these people from protesting?

It is just going to make the sense of injustice worse if the police are turned upon them for protesting a genuine grievance.

They aren’t trying to stop them protesting.

So even my ABC is reporting fake news now….?

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Why are they so intent of stopping these people from protesting?

It is just going to make the sense of injustice worse if the police are turned upon them for protesting a genuine grievance.

They aren’t trying to stop them protesting.

So even my ABC is reporting fake news now….?

Probably.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Their president can do no wrong.
If he salutes the flag then they’ll follow him anywhere no matter what kind of a despot he may be.

Seems that way doesn’t it, I mean he’s a disgusting human being in public let alone what he must be like in private and he’s still god to many people

I’d love to be a flag manufacturer in the USA anyway. I’d be richer than dozens of weather girls.

Are their flags made in China too?

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Why are they so intent of stopping these people from protesting?

It is just going to make the sense of injustice worse if the police are turned upon them for protesting a genuine grievance.

They aren’t trying to stop them protesting.

So even my ABC is reporting fake news now….?

Their story is that they are trying to stop the looting & arson.

party_pants said:

Why are they so intent of stopping these people from protesting?

It is just going to make the sense of injustice worse if the police are turned upon them for protesting a genuine grievance.

Yes.