It’s time ‘coercive control’ was made illegal in Australia
In the past few years, most parts of the United Kingdom and Ireland have introduced new legislation making it a crime to engage in what’s known as “coercive control” towards an intimate partner.
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https://theconversation.com/ said:
Aren’t those behaviours already illegal in Australia?Few issues have received as much attention in Australia in recent years as family violence. Yet for all the work that has been done, it is perhaps surprising to note that most of the above behaviours – with the exception of actual or threatened physical violence and stalking – are not criminal. (At least, they aren’t criminal unless a court has previously issued an intervention or protection order, but what message does it send to victims if the abuse they suffer is only criminal if it violates a court order?)
SCIENCE said:
https://theconversation.com/ said:Aren’t those behaviours already illegal in Australia?Few issues have received as much attention in Australia in recent years as family violence. Yet for all the work that has been done, it is perhaps surprising to note that most of the above behaviours – with the exception of actual or threatened physical violence and stalking – are not criminal. (At least, they aren’t criminal unless a court has previously issued an intervention or protection order, but what message does it send to victims if the abuse they suffer is only criminal if it violates a court order?)
I don’t believe the courts are capable of correctly dealing with these issues.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
https://theconversation.com/ said:Aren’t those behaviours already illegal in Australia?Few issues have received as much attention in Australia in recent years as family violence. Yet for all the work that has been done, it is perhaps surprising to note that most of the above behaviours – with the exception of actual or threatened physical violence and stalking – are not criminal. (At least, they aren’t criminal unless a court has previously issued an intervention or protection order, but what message does it send to victims if the abuse they suffer is only criminal if it violates a court order?)
I don’t believe the courts are capable of correctly dealing with these issues.
I do believe the courts are capable of correctly dealing with these issues. Emotional abuse, verbal abuse and financial abuse are criminal in a family court, not just physical violence and stalking. And these courts are LGBT-friendly.
The difficulty is getting victims to the courts in the first place. A coercive controller will make the victim believe that ze is a criminal. That makes it difficult for the victim to seek police help.
At the risk of being racist, how much of family violence is race-related?
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:I don’t believe the courts are capable of correctly dealing with these issues.
I do believe the courts are capable of correctly dealing with these issues. Emotional abuse, verbal abuse and financial abuse are criminal in a family court, not just physical violence and stalking. And these courts are LGBT-friendly.
The difficulty is getting victims to the courts in the first place. A coercive controller will make the victim believe that ze is a criminal. That makes it difficult for the victim to seek police help.
At the risk of being racist, how much of family violence is race-related?
These acts may be criminal but little opportunity is given to most involved in domestic violence to be able to prove their innocence , compliance or guilt.
Tau.Neutrino said:
It’s time ‘coercive control’ was made illegal in AustraliaIn the past few years, most parts of the United Kingdom and Ireland have introduced new legislation making it a crime to engage in what’s known as “coercive control” towards an intimate partner.
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it’d require some instrument of coercion to enforce it, and why not just a cultural disapproval of coercion more generally, you know a bit of a look at all things coercive, and where it’s prevented, excesses of, disinclined, like agreements
start with gravity, it’s coercive, the forces of nature, then, after some study of that, a person might think about, consider, conjure some useful ideas about what he or she is not, and from that expand perhaps on what people are not, or ought not be, or try not to be, or be less like. Imagine that, the work of soft reality
and what’s the flipside of that big carrot money, I could ask
DNA is coercive also, have a look at that maybe too
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Tau.Neutrino said:
It’s time ‘coercive control’ was made illegal in AustraliaIn the past few years, most parts of the United Kingdom and Ireland have introduced new legislation making it a crime to engage in what’s known as “coercive control” towards an intimate partner.
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it’d require some instrument of coercion to enforce it, and why not just a cultural disapproval of coercion more generally, you know a bit of a look at all things coercive, and where it’s prevented, excesses of, disinclined, like agreements
start with gravity, it’s coercive, the forces of nature, then, after some study of that, a person might think about, consider, conjure some useful ideas about what he or she is not, and from that expand perhaps on what people are not, or ought not be, or try not to be, or be less like. Imagine that, the work of soft reality
and what’s the flipside of that big carrot money, I could ask
DNA is coercive also, have a look at that maybe too
Of these gravity can only coerce those not paying attention to it. Hence the phrase; “Don’t bust a gut, allow gravity to assist you”.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It’s time ‘coercive control’ was made illegal in AustraliaIn the past few years, most parts of the United Kingdom and Ireland have introduced new legislation making it a crime to engage in what’s known as “coercive control” towards an intimate partner.
more…
it’d require some instrument of coercion to enforce it, and why not just a cultural disapproval of coercion more generally, you know a bit of a look at all things coercive, and where it’s prevented, excesses of, disinclined, like agreements
start with gravity, it’s coercive, the forces of nature, then, after some study of that, a person might think about, consider, conjure some useful ideas about what he or she is not, and from that expand perhaps on what people are not, or ought not be, or try not to be, or be less like. Imagine that, the work of soft reality
and what’s the flipside of that big carrot money, I could ask
DNA is coercive also, have a look at that maybe too
Of these gravity can only coerce those not paying attention to it. Hence the phrase; “Don’t bust a gut, allow gravity to assist you”.
Anyway, Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn’d.
Outside authority can only do so much its up to individuals to want to change and society in general to help both the victims and offenders
roughbarked said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It’s time ‘coercive control’ was made illegal in AustraliaIn the past few years, most parts of the United Kingdom and Ireland have introduced new legislation making it a crime to engage in what’s known as “coercive control” towards an intimate partner.
more…
it’d require some instrument of coercion to enforce it, and why not just a cultural disapproval of coercion more generally, you know a bit of a look at all things coercive, and where it’s prevented, excesses of, disinclined, like agreements
start with gravity, it’s coercive, the forces of nature, then, after some study of that, a person might think about, consider, conjure some useful ideas about what he or she is not, and from that expand perhaps on what people are not, or ought not be, or try not to be, or be less like. Imagine that, the work of soft reality
and what’s the flipside of that big carrot money, I could ask
DNA is coercive also, have a look at that maybe too
Of these gravity can only coerce those not paying attention to it. Hence the phrase; “Don’t bust a gut, allow gravity to assist you”.
the point was the forces of nature (even common physics of the world) constantly force things on individuals (and any groups you care to imagine), and of people (or organic life) even DNA is coercive
so the starting point to considering soft reality and free will ought perhaps be consideration that physics imposes, they are forces that coerce
i’m all for such nature studies
Cymek said:
Outside authority can only do so much its up to individuals to want to change and society in general to help both the victims and offenders
Authority isn’t what is needed here. Unless it is to control the dispersal of the various drugs and alcohol that may be altering the states of the persons involved but the main influence should be on community health strategies.
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roughbarked said:
transition said:it’d require some instrument of coercion to enforce it, and why not just a cultural disapproval of coercion more generally, you know a bit of a look at all things coercive, and where it’s prevented, excesses of, disinclined, like agreements
start with gravity, it’s coercive, the forces of nature, then, after some study of that, a person might think about, consider, conjure some useful ideas about what he or she is not, and from that expand perhaps on what people are not, or ought not be, or try not to be, or be less like. Imagine that, the work of soft reality
and what’s the flipside of that big carrot money, I could ask
DNA is coercive also, have a look at that maybe too
Of these gravity can only coerce those not paying attention to it. Hence the phrase; “Don’t bust a gut, allow gravity to assist you”.
the point was the forces of nature (even common physics of the world) constantly force things on individuals (and any groups you care to imagine), and of people (or organic life) even DNA is coercive
so the starting point to considering soft reality and free will ought perhaps be consideration that physics imposes, they are forces that coerce
i’m all for such nature studies
So am I, if you are looking for a volunteer.
I should qualify my previous statement, by saying that barristers sometimes financially abuse clients, and are considered free to emotionally abuse and verbally abuse people in a courtroom setting.
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:I don’t believe the courts are capable of correctly dealing with these issues.
I do believe the courts are capable of correctly dealing with these issues. Emotional abuse, verbal abuse and financial abuse are criminal in a family court, not just physical violence and stalking. And these courts are LGBT-friendly.
The difficulty is getting victims to the courts in the first place. A coercive controller will make the victim believe that ze is a criminal. That makes it difficult for the victim to seek police help.
At the risk of being racist, how much of family violence is race-related?