Date: 4/06/2020 14:40:03
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1567499
Subject: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

According to a new study of fossil plant matter, CO2 concentrations haven’t been this high in at least 23 million years, and have never shot up this fast.

Lately we’ve been breaking a lot of records in terms of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. In 2016 the South Pole became the last region on Earth to exceed a concentration of 400 parts per million (ppm). In May 2019, the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii picked up a record new high of 415.26 ppm. Currently, levels are the highest they’ve been in all of human history.

When plants grow, they take in carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and their tissues retain certain stable isotopes of carbon – specifically, carbon-12 and carbon-13. When these plants fossilize, scientists can study the amounts of these isotopes and determine the concentration of CO2 that the plants grew in.

Using this method, the researchers found that throughout this 23-million-year period CO2 levels mostly fluctuated between around 230 ppm and 350 ppm. That’s far less than modern levels. The team also found no increase in that time as sharp as the climb we’re currently experiencing.

Worse still, the most dramatic warming episodes in the last 23 million years were associated with fairly small increases in CO2. That includes the middle Miocene, which occurred between 15 and 17 million years ago, and the middle Pliocene of three to five million years ago.

The new study gives us further evidence of the severity of the challenge we’re now facing

https://newatlas.com/environment/co2-23-million-years-plant-fossils/

Miocene Climate

Climates remained moderately warm, although the slow global cooling that eventually led to the Pleistocene glaciations continued.

Although a long-term cooling trend was well underway, there is evidence of a warm period during the Miocene when the global climate rivalled that of the Oligocene. The Miocene warming began 21 million years ago and continued until 14 million years ago, when global temperatures took a sharp drop—the Middle Miocene Climate Transition (MMCT). By 8 million years ago, temperatures dropped sharply once again, and the Antarctic ice sheet was already approaching its present-day size and thickness. Greenland may have begun to have large glaciers as early as 7 to 8 million years ago, although the climate for the most part remained warm enough to support forests there well into the Pliocene.

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Date: 4/06/2020 14:49:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1567505
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

PermeateFree said:


According to a new study of fossil plant matter, CO2 concentrations haven’t been this high in at least 23 million years, and have never shot up this fast.

Lately we’ve been breaking a lot of records in terms of atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. In 2016 the South Pole became the last region on Earth to exceed a concentration of 400 parts per million (ppm). In May 2019, the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii picked up a record new high of 415.26 ppm. Currently, levels are the highest they’ve been in all of human history.

When plants grow, they take in carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and their tissues retain certain stable isotopes of carbon – specifically, carbon-12 and carbon-13. When these plants fossilize, scientists can study the amounts of these isotopes and determine the concentration of CO2 that the plants grew in.

Using this method, the researchers found that throughout this 23-million-year period CO2 levels mostly fluctuated between around 230 ppm and 350 ppm. That’s far less than modern levels. The team also found no increase in that time as sharp as the climb we’re currently experiencing.

Worse still, the most dramatic warming episodes in the last 23 million years were associated with fairly small increases in CO2. That includes the middle Miocene, which occurred between 15 and 17 million years ago, and the middle Pliocene of three to five million years ago.

The new study gives us further evidence of the severity of the challenge we’re now facing

https://newatlas.com/environment/co2-23-million-years-plant-fossils/

Miocene Climate

Climates remained moderately warm, although the slow global cooling that eventually led to the Pleistocene glaciations continued.

Although a long-term cooling trend was well underway, there is evidence of a warm period during the Miocene when the global climate rivalled that of the Oligocene. The Miocene warming began 21 million years ago and continued until 14 million years ago, when global temperatures took a sharp drop—the Middle Miocene Climate Transition (MMCT). By 8 million years ago, temperatures dropped sharply once again, and the Antarctic ice sheet was already approaching its present-day size and thickness. Greenland may have begun to have large glaciers as early as 7 to 8 million years ago, although the climate for the most part remained warm enough to support forests there well into the Pliocene.

The evidence keeps mounting.
Yes we have a hard road ahead.

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Date: 4/06/2020 14:51:02
From: dv
ID: 1567507
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

dv said:


Quite alarming.

A 23 m.y. record of low atmospheric CO2

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Date: 4/06/2020 14:52:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1567508
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

At the risk of making some kind of ad hominem faux pas…
Are we to understand, given the description of the situation as “peak”, that from the specified point onwards there will be a decline?

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:08:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1567537
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

SCIENCE said:


At the risk of making some kind of ad hominem faux pas…
Are we to understand, given the description of the situation as “peak”, that from the specified point onwards there will be a decline?

I suspect they did not intend to imply such a forecast.

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:12:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1567543
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

At the risk of making some kind of ad hominem faux pas…
Are we to understand, given the description of the situation as “peak”, that from the specified point onwards there will be a decline?

I suspect they did not intend to imply such a forecast.

Current peak? Could be different again in a decade?

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:13:46
From: The-Spectator
ID: 1567545
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

Lies

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:16:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1567550
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

The-Spectator said:


Lies

Please show workings.

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:21:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1567556
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

Switching from wrong thread.

RESEARCH ARTICLE| MAY 29, 2020
A 23 m.y. record of low atmospheric CO2
Ying Cui; Brian A. Schubert; A. Hope Jahren
Geology (2020)
https://doi.org/10.1130/G47681.1
Article history

So looking at the charts a little more carefully, it is in fact quite accurate to describe the current period as having both the lowest and the highest CO2 levels for 23 million years.

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:24:52
From: dv
ID: 1567564
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

The Rev Dodgson said:


Switching from wrong thread.

RESEARCH ARTICLE| MAY 29, 2020
A 23 m.y. record of low atmospheric CO2
Ying Cui; Brian A. Schubert; A. Hope Jahren
Geology (2020)
https://doi.org/10.1130/G47681.1
Article history

So looking at the charts a little more carefully, it is in fact quite accurate to describe the current period as having both the lowest and the highest CO2 levels for 23 million years.

Using the geological meaning of period, yes.

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:56:36
From: dv
ID: 1567591
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

As you know, I’m not one to nitpick, but I do wonder what the resolution of this data is.

For instance, I would not expect an extremely narrow spike, one that only lasted a thousand years or so, to show up in this form of data.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:00:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1567601
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

dv said:


As you know, I’m not one to nitpick, but I do wonder what the resolution of this data is.

For instance, I would not expect an extremely narrow spike, one that only lasted a thousand years or so, to show up in this form of data.

So you’re saying the excessive CO2 emissions in the final years of the dinosaur civilisation, which ultimately caused their demise, would not show up in this data?

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:01:58
From: dv
ID: 1567608
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

As you know, I’m not one to nitpick, but I do wonder what the resolution of this data is.

For instance, I would not expect an extremely narrow spike, one that only lasted a thousand years or so, to show up in this form of data.

So you’re saying the excessive CO2 emissions in the final years of the dinosaur civilisation, which ultimately caused their demise, would not show up in this data?

I don’t believe I actually said that specifically…

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:04:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1567614
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

As you know, I’m not one to nitpick, but I do wonder what the resolution of this data is.

For instance, I would not expect an extremely narrow spike, one that only lasted a thousand years or so, to show up in this form of data.

So you’re saying the excessive CO2 emissions in the final years of the dinosaur civilisation, which ultimately caused their demise, would not show up in this data?

I don’t believe I actually said that specifically…

OK, I may be extrapolating just a little there.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:07:00
From: dv
ID: 1567619
Subject: re: Atmospheric CO2 hits 23-million-year peak, plant fossils reveal

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So you’re saying the excessive CO2 emissions in the final years of the dinosaur civilisation, which ultimately caused their demise, would not show up in this data?

I don’t believe I actually said that specifically…

OK, I may be extrapolating just a little there.

But I will be slightly more specific. An impact event that caused a shortlived spurt of volcanism and a reduction in photosynthesis could cause a sharp spike in atmospheric CO2.

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