Date: 4/06/2020 15:14:46
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1567548
Subject: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

One of the proposed ways to counter the effects of global warming is by using atmospheric aerosols to reflect heat away from the Earth, and a great deal of research is going into not just how this might work, but whether or not it is a good idea. A new study from MIT has explored some of the potential flow-on effects of such a move and found it would likely trade one set of problems for another, by weakening storms, destabilizing ice sheets and leading to more polluted urban areas.

The research was carried out by MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, with the team setting out to explore some of the long-lasting effects of solar geoengineering on the climate. These types of schemes vary in their proposed approaches, but generally take inspiration from volcanic eruptions that spew reflective particles into the stratosphere that temporarily bounce the Sun’s energy back into space and temporarily cooling the planet.

This model enabled the team to explore the various repercussions of injecting vast amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, with a strong alteration of extratropical storm tracks the leading consequence.

This refers to the zones in the middle and high latitudes where storms form to create extratropical cyclones, with the strength of the storm tracks directly linked to the severity and frequency of the storms. The team found that under its G1 scenario, storm tracks in both hemispheres would be greatly weakened, which would mean less ferocious winter storms but would bring a host of other climate consequences.

“A weakened storm track, in both hemispheres, would mean weaker winter storms but also lead to more stagnant weather, which could affect heat waves,” says Charles Gertler, a graduate student in MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences and study author. “Across all seasons, this could affect ventilation of air pollution. It also may contribute to a weakening of the hydrological cycle, with regional reductions in rainfall. These are not good changes, compared to a baseline climate that we are used to.”

Reduced winds to clear away pollution and maintain healthy air quality is just one of the possible outcomes of solar geoeingeering, with the scientists warning it could also alter the circulation of ocean currents, which would have an impact on the stability of ice sheets. This could prove particularly influential down south.

“In the Southern Hemisphere, winds drive ocean circulation, which in turn could affect uptake of carbon dioxide, and the stability of the Antarctic ice sheet,” says co-author Paul O’Gorman. “So how storm tracks change over the Southern Hemisphere is quite important.”

Further, the team found that these weaker storm tracks were closely correlated to changes in temperature and humidity, with the modeling indicating that solar geoengineering could cause the equator to cool while the poles continue warming. This reduced difference in temperature between the poles and equator is what could lead to the weaker storm tracks, according to the team, and kick off a chain reaction of climate consequences that we may not be prepared to grapple with.

“Reflecting sunlight isn’t a perfect counterbalance to the greenhouse effect,” says O’Gorman. “There are multiple reasons to avoid doing this, and instead to favor reducing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.”

https://newatlas.com/environment/mit-solar-geogineering-alter-climate/


MIT scientists have conducted a climate study, finding that extratropical storm tracks seen in blue would change significantly through solar geoengineering

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:20:02
From: Cymek
ID: 1567554
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

Does not sound like the best idea

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:21:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1567557
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

Cymek said:


Does not sound like the best idea

It may help if we directed it towards Mars?

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:22:12
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1567559
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

Cymek said:


Does not sound like the best idea

Very likely to happen when things get desperate enough.

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:31:24
From: Cymek
ID: 1567570
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


Cymek said:

Does not sound like the best idea

Very likely to happen when things get desperate enough.

I imagine so, if say it was a long term fix then maybe but its appears a short term fix instead of doing what needs to be done.

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:55:27
From: dv
ID: 1567587
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

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Date: 4/06/2020 15:56:57
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1567592
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

dv said:


Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

It lets you keep your donors happy?

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:01:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1567606
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

It lets you keep your donors happy?

correct, instead of reduce reuse recycle

we could spend more, build more, and pay more ¡¡¡

The Economy Must Grow

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:07:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1567621
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

dv said:


Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

The answer is contained in the last sentence of the article.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:10:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1567627
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

The answer is contained in the last sentence of the article.

Please enEMRen us then.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:11:55
From: dv
ID: 1567631
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

The answer is contained in the last sentence of the article.

IKR I’m just SMH that this is even on the radar.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:12:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1567634
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

SCIENCE said:


PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

The answer is contained in the last sentence of the article.

Please enEMRen us then.

LMCVftFY

“Reflecting sunlight isn’t a perfect counterbalance to the greenhouse effect,” says O’Gorman. “There are multiple reasons to avoid doing this, and instead to favor reducing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.”

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:13:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1567639
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

The answer is contained in the last sentence of the article.

Please enEMRen us then.

LMCVftFY

“Reflecting sunlight isn’t a perfect counterbalance to the greenhouse effect,” says O’Gorman. “There are multiple reasons to avoid doing this, and instead to favor reducing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.”

that doesn’t specify a way in which it’s better than emissions abatement

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:17:57
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1567650
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Please enEMRen us then.

LMCVftFY

“Reflecting sunlight isn’t a perfect counterbalance to the greenhouse effect,” says O’Gorman. “There are multiple reasons to avoid doing this, and instead to favor reducing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.”

that doesn’t specify a way in which it’s better than emissions abatement

OTOH, you could argue that the statement “it isn’t better than emissions abatement” does answer the question “ in what way is it better than emissions abatement?”

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:18:44
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1567654
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Far out.

In what way would this be easier than emissions abatement?

The answer is contained in the last sentence of the article.

IKR I’m just SMH that this is even on the radar.

You need to listen/watch the media more. There are a number of programs where they interview scientists on all sorts of things including geoengineering.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:20:01
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1567657
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Please enEMRen us then.

LMCVftFY

“Reflecting sunlight isn’t a perfect counterbalance to the greenhouse effect,” says O’Gorman. “There are multiple reasons to avoid doing this, and instead to favor reducing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.”

that doesn’t specify a way in which it’s better than emissions abatement

Go away science, you drain all energy and replace it with nothing. Do your own thinking.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:21:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1567661
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

LMCVftFY

“Reflecting sunlight isn’t a perfect counterbalance to the greenhouse effect,” says O’Gorman. “There are multiple reasons to avoid doing this, and instead to favor reducing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.”

that doesn’t specify a way in which it’s better than emissions abatement

OTOH, you could argue that the statement “it isn’t better than emissions abatement” does answer the question “ in what way is it better than emissions abatement?”

Reasonable; however we note…

They’re are people who argue that “we don’t” or “there is no point at which a process which never began, was ended” are invalid answers to “so when did you stop murdering black people ¿”.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:22:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1567662
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

LMCVftFY

“Reflecting sunlight isn’t a perfect counterbalance to the greenhouse effect,” says O’Gorman. “There are multiple reasons to avoid doing this, and instead to favor reducing emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.”

that doesn’t specify a way in which it’s better than emissions abatement

Go away science, you drain all energy and replace it with nothing. Do your own thinking.

drain, drinking, do

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:23:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1567664
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

Here we go again.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:27:32
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1567672
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

roughbarked said:


Here we go again.

No it is just you two, you contribute nothing and make silly unnecessary statements so you can skate around to avoid straight answers. You both ought to think and ask relevant questions or just shut up!

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:27:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1567675
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

roughbarked said:


Here we go again.

generally speaking, “go” associates with “there” and for “here”, typically “come” is used

however, the construct “here we go” does enjoy common use, but off the other hand, “there we come” may or may not enjoy

well maybe that went à bit too far but the same discussion might apply to “near” versus “far”…

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:32:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1567684
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

Here we go again.

No it is just you two, you contribute nothing and make silly unnecessary statements so you can skate around to avoid straight answers. You both ought to think and ask relevant questions or just shut up!

It is in your mind which is where about this fantastical skating rink.
We need the light from the sun.
Yes it may change things by geoengineering but there are other ways that we can afford to do first, that may mean we never have to go there or at least that far. We could put a lot of sulphur up there, that will change things too.

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Date: 4/06/2020 16:36:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1567696
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Here we go again.

No it is just you two, you contribute nothing and make silly unnecessary statements so you can skate around to avoid straight answers. You both ought to think and ask relevant questions or just shut up!

It is in your mind which is where about this fantastical skating rink.
We need the light from the sun.
Yes it may change things by geoengineering but there are other ways that we can afford to do first, that may mean we never have to go there or at least that far. We could put a lot of sulphur up there, that will change things too.

Perhaps it’s some big exciting possible world changing experiment and that’s why people might be eager, caution to the wind almost

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Date: 5/06/2020 05:02:06
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1568062
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

> One of the proposed ways to counter the effects of global warming is by using atmospheric aerosols to reflect heat away from the Earth, and a great deal of research is going into not just how this might work, but whether or not it is a good idea. A new study from MIT has explored some of the potential flow-on effects of such a move and found it would likely trade one set of problems for another, by weakening storms, destabilizing ice sheets and leading to more polluted urban areas.

OK.

This is not one of the 76 solutions to global warming from the previous thread, that’s more down to Earth.

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Date: 5/06/2020 15:36:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1568254
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

mollwollfumble said:


> One of the proposed ways to counter the effects of global warming is by using atmospheric aerosols to reflect heat away from the Earth, and a great deal of research is going into not just how this might work, but whether or not it is a good idea. A new study from MIT has explored some of the potential flow-on effects of such a move and found it would likely trade one set of problems for another, by weakening storms, destabilizing ice sheets and leading to more polluted urban areas.

OK.

This is not one of the 76 solutions to global warming from the previous thread, that’s more down to Earth.

Probably because it is a bad idea and highly likely to cause even more disastrous problems.

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Date: 5/06/2020 15:41:19
From: The-Spectator
ID: 1568255
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

> One of the proposed ways to counter the effects of global warming is by using atmospheric aerosols to reflect heat away from the Earth, and a great deal of research is going into not just how this might work, but whether or not it is a good idea. A new study from MIT has explored some of the potential flow-on effects of such a move and found it would likely trade one set of problems for another, by weakening storms, destabilizing ice sheets and leading to more polluted urban areas.

OK.

This is not one of the 76 solutions to global warming from the previous thread, that’s more down to Earth.

Probably because it is a bad idea and highly likely to cause even more disastrous problems.

More lies PF

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Date: 5/06/2020 15:42:05
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1568257
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

The-Spectator said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

> One of the proposed ways to counter the effects of global warming is by using atmospheric aerosols to reflect heat away from the Earth, and a great deal of research is going into not just how this might work, but whether or not it is a good idea. A new study from MIT has explored some of the potential flow-on effects of such a move and found it would likely trade one set of problems for another, by weakening storms, destabilizing ice sheets and leading to more polluted urban areas.

OK.

This is not one of the 76 solutions to global warming from the previous thread, that’s more down to Earth.

Probably because it is a bad idea and highly likely to cause even more disastrous problems.

More lies PF

Yes you are very good at it.

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Date: 5/06/2020 15:48:04
From: The-Spectator
ID: 1568260
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


The-Spectator said:

PermeateFree said:

Probably because it is a bad idea and highly likely to cause even more disastrous problems.

More lies PF

Yes you are very good at it.

Not me mate

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Date: 5/06/2020 16:26:10
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1568307
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

The-Spectator said:


PermeateFree said:

The-Spectator said:

More lies PF

Yes you are very good at it.

Not me mate

You are a traitor to life on this planet, you are dirty smelly rubbish that deserves no life giving consideration. In other words you are the lowest of the low. Now fuck off!

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Date: 5/06/2020 16:32:32
From: The-Spectator
ID: 1568314
Subject: re: MIT study explores how solar geoengineering would alter the climate

PermeateFree said:


The-Spectator said:

PermeateFree said:

Yes you are very good at it.

Not me mate

You are a traitor to life on this planet, you are dirty smelly rubbish that deserves no life giving consideration. In other words you are the lowest of the low. Now fuck off!

Hippie, I’m sitting pretty because I’m wealthy

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