Date: 7/06/2020 22:36:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1569544
Subject: Big bang and Infinte enegy

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

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Date: 7/06/2020 22:39:18
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1569547
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

Tau.Neutrino said:


In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

there wasn’t infinite energy in the BB.

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Date: 7/06/2020 22:42:41
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1569552
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

Bogsnorkler said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

there wasn’t infinite energy in the BB.

read that in the first article

https://www.webbyfeed.com/the-spinning-universe-offers-a-new-perspective-for-our-world/9115/

from article, “Nobody knows what triggered the ‘bang’ in the first place, why did the singularity have infinite energy, and so on.”

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Date: 7/06/2020 22:43:48
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1569553
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

Bogsnorkler said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

there wasn’t infinite energy in the BB.

There was near infinite energy…

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Date: 7/06/2020 22:46:30
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1569556
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

Tau.Neutrino said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

there wasn’t infinite energy in the BB.

read that in the first article

https://www.webbyfeed.com/the-spinning-universe-offers-a-new-perspective-for-our-world/9115/

from article, “Nobody knows what triggered the ‘bang’ in the first place, why did the singularity have infinite energy, and so on.”

I’ve read it and most of it is crap. there was not infinite energy in the BB. The BBT is only about the Observable Universe and as that hasn’t infinite energy in it then the BB didn’t either.

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Date: 7/06/2020 22:52:25
From: Rule 303
ID: 1569567
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

poikilotherm said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

there wasn’t infinite energy in the BB.

There was near infinite energy…

It is widely regarded as a FBB.

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Date: 7/06/2020 23:57:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1569590
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

If the universe is infinite now, it’s always been infinite. But this doesn’t necessarily mean infinite energy – it may mean zero energy.

>The zero-energy universe hypothesis proposes that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero: its amount of positive energy in the form of matter is exactly canceled out by its negative energy in the form of gravity. Some physicists, such as Lawrence Krauss or Alexander Vilenkin, call this state “a universe from nothingness” but, in fact, the zero-energy universe model requires both matter field with positive energy and gravitational field with negative energy to exist.

Zero-energy universe

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Date: 8/06/2020 11:08:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1569710
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

Tau.Neutrino said:


In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

It’s difficult to answer this question. I keep writing answers and then deleting them

Infinite energy implies either infinite temperature or infinite volume. It’s possible to have both simultaneously, but that is neither necessary nor desirable.

As far as we can track back, the universe had finite temperature and near-infinite volume, when you consider 10^600 as near infinity.

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Date: 8/06/2020 11:16:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1569717
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

It’s difficult to answer this question. I keep writing answers and then deleting them

Infinite energy implies either infinite temperature or infinite volume. It’s possible to have both simultaneously, but that is neither necessary nor desirable.

As far as we can track back, the universe had finite temperature and near-infinite volume, when you consider 10^600 as near infinity.

I don’t even know what “infinite temperature” means.

Surely 10^600 is nowhere near infinite.

But what units?

And please show working.

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Date: 8/06/2020 11:19:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1569720
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

It’s difficult to answer this question. I keep writing answers and then deleting them

Infinite energy implies either infinite temperature or infinite volume. It’s possible to have both simultaneously, but that is neither necessary nor desirable.

As far as we can track back, the universe had finite temperature and near-infinite volume, when you consider 10^600 as near infinity.

I don’t even know what “infinite temperature” means.

Surely 10^600 is nowhere near infinite.

But what units?

And please show working.

T = dU/dS

consider when dU <> 0 and dS = 0

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Date: 8/06/2020 11:23:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1569725
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s difficult to answer this question. I keep writing answers and then deleting them

Infinite energy implies either infinite temperature or infinite volume. It’s possible to have both simultaneously, but that is neither necessary nor desirable.

As far as we can track back, the universe had finite temperature and near-infinite volume, when you consider 10^600 as near infinity.

I don’t even know what “infinite temperature” means.

Surely 10^600 is nowhere near infinite.

But what units?

And please show working.

T = dU/dS

consider when dU <> 0 and dS = 0

Ah, that singularity nonsense again.

OK

(also working for 10^600 = minimum size (mass?) of the Universe would be good).

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Date: 9/06/2020 09:53:09
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1570198
Subject: re: Big bang and Infinte enegy

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

In regard to the Big Bang and infinite energy.

What happens if you replace “infinite energy” with – “infinite energy that changes its state in proportion to its temperature?

It’s difficult to answer this question. I keep writing answers and then deleting them

Infinite energy implies either infinite temperature or infinite volume. It’s possible to have both simultaneously, but that is neither necessary nor desirable.

As far as we can track back, the universe had finite temperature and near-infinite volume, when you consider 10^600 as near infinity.

I don’t even know what “infinite temperature” means.

Surely 10^600 is nowhere near infinite.

But what units?

And please show working.


I know what “infinite temperature” means from a statistical mechanics point of view. Infinite temperature is when all particles have the same probability of occurring in all available quantum energy states.

In finite temperature, the probability of occurrence decreases with increasing quantum energy. In temperatures below absolute zero, the probability of occurrence increases with increasing quantum energy, which is possible when the number of quantum energy states is finite.

Any units.

I consider any number greater than the number of subatomic particles in the visible universe (about 10^80) as near-infinite, though I’m willing to stretch the point up to 10^160 on occasions. I also consider any number that has a finite probability of being exactly infinite as near infinite.

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