I’m going to open a can of worms here and then walk away.
1. Does racism exist, or is it as insubstantial as other -isms?
2. What scientific test would you use to determine if a person is racist?
3. Which race is the most racist? Hutu?
Simple fear of “other”.
Wait, other -isms are insubstantial?
Hutu is not a race – it’s a job description.
Japanese are quite racist.
They don’t actually attack you for not being Japanese, and they’re rather circumspect about it, but they (1) are firmly convinced that the Japanese people are superior to all other peoples, and (2) feel rather sorry for you because you’re not Japanese.
As you’re not Japanese, you’ll be treated differently (with great politeness, but differently) to the way that Japanese are treated. You’re pushing shit up a very steep hill if you get involved with the Japanese legal system, for instance.
captain_spalding said:
Japanese are quite racist.They don’t actually attack you for not being Japanese, and they’re rather circumspect about it, but they (1) are firmly convinced that the Japanese people are superior to all other peoples, and (2) feel rather sorry for you because you’re not Japanese.
As you’re not Japanese, you’ll be treated differently (with great politeness, but differently) to the way that Japanese are treated. You’re pushing shit up a very steep hill if you get involved with the Japanese legal system, for instance.
I’ve personally seen many examples of racism, where the person is verbally attacked for no reason other than their skin colour. When I worked at the doughnut place, the cleaners were Indian. They were constantly abused verbally because of their race.
One of my doughnut staff was born in Australia to Hindi parents. I’ve walked in to start a shift and told customers that we won’t serve them because they’ve been harassing her, wanting to be served by someone white. A Filipino colleague was told by people in her personal life that she’s nothing more than a mail order bride (I think it may have been her MIL, I can’t remember exactly). My next door neighbour is Egyptian and when she started working retail, she had hoity-toity customers demanding to speak to a white woman. (She’s in the cosmetics depth of Myer. If you don’t know the stuff they sell, it’s quite expensive high-end brands.)
My niece and nephew are dark skinned. Mr Mutant’s (very fair) sister married a (very dark) guy from Mauritius. Their kids have beautiful chocolatey coloured skin, and from a young age, they have been bullied. Not just from school kids, but adults. My SIL can’t possibly be their mother!
Are Chinese whiskers racist?
I had co-worker, lovely lady, refugee from Vietnam.
One day, someone criticised her for her less-than-entirely-fluent English, said that ‘they could at least learn to speak the language properly’.
I asked them how many languages they spoke.
‘Just one, English.’
‘Well’, i said, ‘she speaks Vietnamese, Chinese, Khmer, and French. English is just the latest language she’s learnt, so cut her a bit of slack, ok, dickhead?’
mollwollfumble said:
I’m going to open a can of worms here and then walk away.1. Does racism exist, or is it as insubstantial as other -isms?
2. What scientific test would you use to determine if a person is racist?
3. Which race is the most racist? Hutu?
1. Yes and yes. i.e. it has an insubstantialism index very close to zero.
2. I wouldn’t, but I’m sure there are plenty of examples on the Internet.
3. It depends how you define “race”, but it is just as much an irrelevant question as to ask which sex is the most sexist. The variation within any race (however you define that) is so enormous, it makes the average irrelevant.
Trump vs. The World
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Ogmog said:
Trump vs. The World
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
watching that, it’s quite good
racist feelings or sentiments exist, most (more sensible) people that experience them also have some sense they are unjustified, dubious or whatever, so do some work on them, adjustments
racism is something different, perhaps more when racist feelings look for ways to be normal, more acceptable
transition said:
racist feelings or sentiments exist, most (more sensible) people that experience them also have some sense they are unjustified, dubious or whatever, so do some work on them, adjustmentsracism is something different, perhaps more when racist feelings look for ways to be normal, more acceptable
Thanks for that. I have troubles with “-ism“s in general.
“Terrorism” has nothing to do with terror.
“Communism” has nothing to do with communes.
“Socialism” has nothing to do with social consciousness.
“Capitalism” has nothing to do with das kapital.
“Environmentalism” has very little to do with the environment and a lot to do with coal.
“Impressionism” has very little to do with impressions.
etc.
So I suspect that “Racism” has very little to do with racial types.
In Australia, there’s plenty of anti-Chinese sentiment, and plenty of anti-immigrant sentiment. There have been some international wars spilling over into Australia, particularly from Croatia vs Serbia, which could be seen as racial.
I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.
mollwollfumble said:
transition said:
racist feelings or sentiments exist, most (more sensible) people that experience them also have some sense they are unjustified, dubious or whatever, so do some work on them, adjustmentsracism is something different, perhaps more when racist feelings look for ways to be normal, more acceptable
Thanks for that. I have troubles with “-ism“s in general.
“Terrorism” has nothing to do with terror.
“Communism” has nothing to do with communes.
“Socialism” has nothing to do with social consciousness.
“Capitalism” has nothing to do with das kapital.
“Environmentalism” has very little to do with the environment and a lot to do with coal.
“Impressionism” has very little to do with impressions.
etc.So I suspect that “Racism” has very little to do with racial types.
In Australia, there’s plenty of anti-Chinese sentiment, and plenty of anti-immigrant sentiment. There have been some international wars spilling over into Australia, particularly from Croatia vs Serbia, which could be seen as racial.
I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ism
mollwollfumble said:
I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.
Ref?
If you’re in the mood for some movie-watching, I suggest BlackKklansmen, Skin, and I Am Not Your Negro for starters.
In the meantime, I suggest this
https://youtu.be/3FfFj_to7fU
>I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.
Rest assured that your suspicions are nonsense.
Bubblecar said:
>I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.Rest assured that your suspicions are nonsense.
There was indeed at least one time where the areas of black wealth were bombed by literally tossing dynamite from planes.
Suggested reading, Planet America.
Bubblecar said:
>I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.Rest assured that your suspicions are nonsense.
Presumably he meant in the same way that there is no evidence to support the theory of general relativity, and there was never much in support of Newtonian gravity.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
>I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.Rest assured that your suspicions are nonsense.
Presumably he meant in the same way that there is no evidence to support the theory of general relativity, and there was never much in support of Newtonian gravity.
These theories are goverened by cover ups?
Bubblecar said:
>I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.Rest assured that your suspicions are nonsense.
DFTT
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
>I suspect that there’s no anti-black sentiment in the USA, and never has been much.Rest assured that your suspicions are nonsense.
Presumably he meant in the same way that there is no evidence to support the theory of general relativity, and there was never much in support of Newtonian gravity.
These theories are goverened by cover ups?
You’d have to as moll.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Presumably he meant in the same way that there is no evidence to support the theory of general relativity, and there was never much in support of Newtonian gravity.
These theories are goverened by cover ups?
You’d have to as moll.
Have a “k” to insert where appropriate.
Two racists ready for export
Ian said:
Two racists ready for export
It is a racist protection racket.
Racism or classism/casteism exist between people of the same race as well, the caste system / class system type nonsense, etc
You are better than others because of which one you were born into.
As a person you are allowed to dislike another person because they aren’t very nice but shouldn’t do so because of race (which itself is usually based on a negative stereotype anyway)
I imagine a fair amount is based on economics and the assumption they are taking our jobs, forgetting they probably work hard (get exploited ?) and the job doesn’t belong to one group of people anyway
Cymek said:
Racism or classism/casteism exist between people of the same race as well, the caste system / class system type nonsense, etcYou are better than others because of which one you were born into.
(often, or mostly soft) strata with some differentiating properties
at the level of individuals, between individuals of same strata, there’s operating space also, to accommodate personal differences, trajectories etc, whatever
Note that racism is not just about how a person feels and thinks. There’s a lot of systematic or institutional racism that lingers on even after attitudes have improved just because of organisational inertia. There are plenty of “I don’t see colour” people who won’t support cleaning up the police force.
dv said:
Note that racism is not just about how a person feels and thinks. There’s a lot of systematic or institutional racism that lingers on even after attitudes have improved just because of organisational inertia. There are plenty of “I don’t see colour” people who won’t support cleaning up the police force.
Systemic and institutional racism are not a priori facts. They are propositions of Critical Race Theory and not as widely supported in academia as their recent widespread adoption in the public discourse would suggest.
and then it was known, according to the laws of physics, bumblebees can’t fly, they just can’t
looks like a fun read, have a look at that in the morning, sometime after my third coffee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problematization
SCIENCE said:
and then it was known, according to the laws of physics, bumblebees can’t fly, they just can’t
I like bumble bees. They’re cute little critters.
SCIENCE said:
and then it was known, according to the laws of physics, bumblebees can’t fly, they just can’t
but they fly anyway, because bumblebees don’t care what humans think is impossible.
I am not a fan of dumblebuffs. They don’t annoy me. Not since I stopped trying to grow florist grade flowers. But they are contributing each year to foxglove weed problem.
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
and then it was known, according to the laws of physics, bumblebees can’t fly, they just can’t
but they fly anyway, because bumblebees don’t care what humans think is impossible.
reasonable! :D
A person I was talking to in real life today said that she used to be a racist, and explained how it happened.
While living in Toronto, some neighbours, who happened to be Chilean, would keep stealing her children’s bikes. So she had to go searching around downtown Toronto to get them back, not an easy task.
She developed a a hatred of Chileans at the time, and it was only years later that she realised how stupid it was to assume that the Chileans she had met were representative of the whole of them.
That’s never happened to me. I wonder how often it happens.
mollwollfumble said:
A person I was talking to in real life today said that she used to be a racist, and explained how it happened.While living in Toronto, some neighbours, who happened to be Chilean, would keep stealing her children’s bikes. So she had to go searching around downtown Toronto to get them back, not an easy task.
She developed a a hatred of Chileans at the time, and it was only years later that she realised how stupid it was to assume that the Chileans she had met were representative of the whole of them.
That’s never happened to me. I wonder how often it happens.
If your encounters with a race of people were always negative you could adopt an attitude they are all like that
mollwollfumble said:
A person I was talking to in real life today said that she used to be a racist, and explained how it happened.While living in Toronto, some neighbours, who happened to be Chilean, would keep stealing her children’s bikes. So she had to go searching around downtown Toronto to get them back, not an easy task.
She developed a a hatred of Chileans at the time, and it was only years later that she realised how stupid it was to assume that the Chileans she had met were representative of the whole of them.
That’s never happened to me. I wonder how often it happens.
It must happen often enough. There’s a word for the process: stereotyping.
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:
A person I was talking to in real life today said that she used to be a racist, and explained how it happened.While living in Toronto, some neighbours, who happened to be Chilean, would keep stealing her children’s bikes. So she had to go searching around downtown Toronto to get them back, not an easy task.
She developed a a hatred of Chileans at the time, and it was only years later that she realised how stupid it was to assume that the Chileans she had met were representative of the whole of them.
That’s never happened to me. I wonder how often it happens.
If your encounters with a race of people were always negative you could adopt an attitude they are all like that
imagine learning by association, which is to say, learning
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:
A person I was talking to in real life today said that she used to be a racist, and explained how it happened.While living in Toronto, some neighbours, who happened to be Chilean, would keep stealing her children’s bikes. So she had to go searching around downtown Toronto to get them back, not an easy task.
She developed a a hatred of Chileans at the time, and it was only years later that she realised how stupid it was to assume that the Chileans she had met were representative of the whole of them.
That’s never happened to me. I wonder how often it happens.
If your encounters with a race of people were always negative you could adopt an attitude they are all like that
imagine learning by association, which is to say, learning
Which is why people should question that way of thinking and try better.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:
A person I was talking to in real life today said that she used to be a racist, and explained how it happened.While living in Toronto, some neighbours, who happened to be Chilean, would keep stealing her children’s bikes. So she had to go searching around downtown Toronto to get them back, not an easy task.
She developed a a hatred of Chileans at the time, and it was only years later that she realised how stupid it was to assume that the Chileans she had met were representative of the whole of them.
That’s never happened to me. I wonder how often it happens.
If your encounters with a race of people were always negative you could adopt an attitude they are all like that
imagine learning by association, which is to say, learning
not sure it passes as a complete theory of learning, it’s used a lot in advertising, so’s little avoiding it, but consider if the bigger message(lesson) were that it ought be the way people learn, a secret pervasive ought, that there was the added dimension, of expectation, compliance, the shared ought, unabstracted
in an absence of the understanding of how minds work, even ones own, ought does a lot of work, some of it a dubious business
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:If your encounters with a race of people were always negative you could adopt an attitude they are all like that
imagine learning by association, which is to say, learning
Which is why people should question that way of thinking and try better.
salient features are salient
i’d expect half of healthy mental states are maintained by fade, that associations between things and concepts (ideas, whatever, notions) are somewhat fluid, the force applied to the binding is subject to will, variable, adjustable, manipulable, be combinatorial potentials in all that
Michael V said:
mollwollfumble said:
A person I was talking to in real life today said that she used to be a racist, and explained how it happened.While living in Toronto, some neighbours, who happened to be Chilean, would keep stealing her children’s bikes. So she had to go searching around downtown Toronto to get them back, not an easy task.
She developed a a hatred of Chileans at the time, and it was only years later that she realised how stupid it was to assume that the Chileans she had met were representative of the whole of them.
That’s never happened to me. I wonder how often it happens.
It must happen often enough. There’s a word for the process: stereotyping.
Stereotyping
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