Australian Wildlife Conservancy (AWC) and the New South Wales Government are pleased to announce the arrival of the first baby Bilbies to be born at Mallee Cliffs National Park in more than a century.

Until AWC and the NSW Government reintroduced Bilbies to the Pilliga State Conservation Area in 2018 and Mallee Cliffs in 2019, this iconic Australian mammal had not been seen in NSW National Parks for more than 100 years. The Bilbies were released into a feral predator-free breeding area, constructed as part of a historic partnership between AWC and the NSW Government under its Saving our Species program. The Bilbies will eventually be released into a vast 9570-hectare fenced area at Mallee Cliffs that is set to become the largest feral predator-free safe-haven on mainland Australia.

“When we brought Bilbies back to Mallee Cliffs, there were 17 pouch young which were not marked for identification, and 50 adults. The exciting news is that our ecologists captured 53 individuals during the last survey and 21 were not marked, meaning that some of them were conceived and born at Mallee Cliffs,” Mr Allard said.

“There is also an abundance of healthy Bilbies with pouch young, including one carrying triplets.”

Mr Allard said there has been a similar Bilby baby boom in the Pilliga. In addition, Bridled Nailtail Wallabies were reintroduced in 2019 and, promisingly, this endangered species is reproducing within the feral predator-free breeding area.

“Without the threat of feral cats and foxes, we expect that all of the locally-extinct species that AWC and the NSW National Parks & Wildlife Service (NPWS) are returning to Mallee Cliffs and the Pilliga will be able to establish footholds in NSW once again,” Mr Allard said.

https://youtu.be/4WMJUh_w1H8

https://www.australianwildlife.org/nsw-welcomes-new-generation-of-bilbies/

This is not only a great thing to happen to the Bilby, but as importantly shows the destruction by feral animals, especially cats and foxes that will drive many more of our unique animals to extinction. As it has proved impossible to control these ferals, Australia desperately needs more of these feral free fenced areas, otherwise we will lose much of our wildlife heritage.

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

Very nice.

I wonder what are the odds that there are a few Macrotis leucura still alive tucked away somewhere.

dv said:

Very nice.

I wonder what are the odds that there are a few Macrotis leucura still alive tucked away somewhere.

>>Very little is known about its former range and distribution, as the species was collected only six times in modern history, with the first of these coming from an unknown region.

In modern times this species was endemic to the Gibson and Great Sandy deserts of arid central Australia and northeast South Australia and adjoining southeast Northern Territory in the northern half of the Lake Eyre Basin.

It preferred to live in sandy and loamy deserts, spinifex sandplains and dunes, dominated by monuds of tough and grassy Triodia species with mulga Acacia aneura, zygochloa canegrass , or in Triodia hummock grassland with occasional low trees and shrubs.<

Despite its remote distribution, many small animals have gone extinct in these areas, less so by cats and foxes, but by the removal of the local Aborigines who were sent to missions. With their absence the country was not looked after and reinvigorated by their burning, resulting in reduced new growth and the disappearance of many plants needed for the native animals to survive. Large areas become overgrown with old useless Spinifex, with nothing for indigenous animals to eat. It shows the strong relationship the Aborigines had with the land and how their management assisted the animals and provided the conditions for them to thrive.

dv said:

Very nice.

I wonder what are the odds that there are a few Macrotis leucura still alive tucked away somewhere.

Pretty low, I’d reckon.

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

Australia is a very large country and no matter what method was used it would be ineffective. Feral cats in good conditions can double their population in a single year, so any unprotected area that was cleared of cats, it would not be long before they were back in their original number.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Very nice.

I wonder what are the odds that there are a few Macrotis leucura still alive tucked away somewhere.

>>Very little is known about its former range and distribution, as the species was collected only six times in modern history, with the first of these coming from an unknown region.

In modern times this species was endemic to the Gibson and Great Sandy deserts of arid central Australia and northeast South Australia and adjoining southeast Northern Territory in the northern half of the Lake Eyre Basin.

It preferred to live in sandy and loamy deserts, spinifex sandplains and dunes, dominated by monuds of tough and grassy Triodia species with mulga Acacia aneura, zygochloa canegrass , or in Triodia hummock grassland with occasional low trees and shrubs.<

Despite its remote distribution, many small animals have gone extinct in these areas, less so by cats and foxes, but by the removal of the local Aborigines who were sent to missions. With their absence the country was not looked after and reinvigorated by their burning, resulting in reduced new growth and the disappearance of many plants needed for the native animals to survive. Large areas become overgrown with old useless Spinifex, with nothing for indigenous animals to eat. It shows the strong relationship the Aborigines had with the land and how their management assisted the animals and provided the conditions for them to thrive.

To add weight to the above, there are records of Aborigines who returned to their country only 20 years after their removal, only to find many animals had disappeared.

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

If only.

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

If only.

We could start a national lottery or sports betting company to fund it. Ban corporate gambling for profit.

I know … if only :)

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

If only.

We could start a national lottery or sports betting company to fund it. Ban corporate gambling for profit.

I know … if only :)

No point trapping them. Shoot them. It’s quick, cheap & effective.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

They are doing it.

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

If only.

We could start a national lottery or sports betting company to fund it. Ban corporate gambling for profit.

I know … if only :)

No point trapping them. Shoot them. It’s quick, cheap & effective.

That’s what you do with the trapped ones. You’d shoot others too if and where you saw them, but you can’t be everywhere with eyes and gun at the ready. Also would involve lots of blasting and ripping of dens and warrens.

party_pants said:

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

We could start a national lottery or sports betting company to fund it. Ban corporate gambling for profit.

I know … if only :)

No point trapping them. Shoot them. It’s quick, cheap & effective.

That’s what you do with the trapped ones. You’d shoot others too if and where you saw them, but you can’t be everywhere with eyes and gun at the ready. Also would involve lots of blasting and ripping of dens and warrens.

Yes. Good.

JudgeMental said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

They are doing it.

Yes but what if it was nation wide and properly funded

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

Tracking animals in arid sandy conditions where vegetation is well spaced is relatively easy and very different to tracking them in forest conditions. To shoot them you need to see them, which is extremely difficult in vegetated bush areas. One rotten cat took me 3.5 years to catch. Recently I shot 3 cats over a two week period, but it had been months before I shot the last one. Female cats are much more difficult to find than males, so the breeders can carry on breeding. Many cats will not go anywhere near traps. Had it been easy, it would have been done years ago.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

Tracking animals in arid sandy conditions where vegetation is well spaced is relatively easy and very different to tracking them in forest conditions. To shoot them you need to see them, which is extremely difficult in vegetated bush areas. One rotten cat took me 3.5 years to catch. Recently I shot 3 cats over a two week period, but it had been months before I shot the last one. Female cats are much more difficult to find than males, so the breeders can carry on breeding. Many cats will not go anywhere near traps. Had it been easy, it would have been done years ago.

Would it have been done though, not saying you are wrong but the environment isn’t a concern for many governments over the years.
Was a thought that’s all a well funded, nationwide organisation dedicated to getting rid off as many feral animals as possible.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

Tracking animals in arid sandy conditions where vegetation is well spaced is relatively easy and very different to tracking them in forest conditions. To shoot them you need to see them, which is extremely difficult in vegetated bush areas. One rotten cat took me 3.5 years to catch. Recently I shot 3 cats over a two week period, but it had been months before I shot the last one. Female cats are much more difficult to find than males, so the breeders can carry on breeding. Many cats will not go anywhere near traps. Had it been easy, it would have been done years ago.

Would it have been done though, not saying you are wrong but the environment isn’t a concern for many governments over the years.
Was a thought that’s all a well funded, nationwide organisation dedicated to getting rid off as many feral animals as possible.

Cymek you CANNOT just go out in the bush and find cats. They are intelligent and very crafty animals and almost impossible to find in thick bush. Even in the fenced areas where the cats cannot escape will take weeks or even months to clear out the feral and most of these areas are in semi-arid conditions where vegetation is relatively open. Finding cats to shoot in thick bush is 99% luck.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

I think you’d need to start in small areas. With the cooperation of the land owners or leaseholders of course. Start with small local pockets cleared of feral animals, probably using fencing and trapping – not cheap. Slowly expand and start linking up feral free sections into larger areas. Eventually after a few years decades, the feral animals would be the ones confined to small pockets ever shrinking.

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

Tracking animals in arid sandy conditions where vegetation is well spaced is relatively easy and very different to tracking them in forest conditions. To shoot them you need to see them, which is extremely difficult in vegetated bush areas. One rotten cat took me 3.5 years to catch. Recently I shot 3 cats over a two week period, but it had been months before I shot the last one. Female cats are much more difficult to find than males, so the breeders can carry on breeding. Many cats will not go anywhere near traps. Had it been easy, it would have been done years ago.

Yeah, it won’t be easy, and each species of pest animal will need a different strategy. Lots of manpower and lots of money over a long period of time, which needs a reliable source of funding not subject to the whims of politicians. Also needs to be coordinated over different areas and be based upon sound science.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

I was thinking it would something that Aboriginal people could create and run, work they might enjoy even, nice to enjoys ones work

Tracking animals in arid sandy conditions where vegetation is well spaced is relatively easy and very different to tracking them in forest conditions. To shoot them you need to see them, which is extremely difficult in vegetated bush areas. One rotten cat took me 3.5 years to catch. Recently I shot 3 cats over a two week period, but it had been months before I shot the last one. Female cats are much more difficult to find than males, so the breeders can carry on breeding. Many cats will not go anywhere near traps. Had it been easy, it would have been done years ago.

Yeah, it won’t be easy, and each species of pest animal will need a different strategy. Lots of manpower and lots of money over a long period of time, which needs a reliable source of funding not subject to the whims of politicians. Also needs to be coordinated over different areas and be based upon sound science.

It would be a waste of time and resources that could be far better spent in conservation elsewhere.

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Tracking animals in arid sandy conditions where vegetation is well spaced is relatively easy and very different to tracking them in forest conditions. To shoot them you need to see them, which is extremely difficult in vegetated bush areas. One rotten cat took me 3.5 years to catch. Recently I shot 3 cats over a two week period, but it had been months before I shot the last one. Female cats are much more difficult to find than males, so the breeders can carry on breeding. Many cats will not go anywhere near traps. Had it been easy, it would have been done years ago.

Yeah, it won’t be easy, and each species of pest animal will need a different strategy. Lots of manpower and lots of money over a long period of time, which needs a reliable source of funding not subject to the whims of politicians. Also needs to be coordinated over different areas and be based upon sound science.

It would be a waste of time and resources that could be far better spent in conservation elsewhere.

I’m happy to embark on a decades-long process. The obvious starting place and the immediate priority would be conservation areas.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, it won’t be easy, and each species of pest animal will need a different strategy. Lots of manpower and lots of money over a long period of time, which needs a reliable source of funding not subject to the whims of politicians. Also needs to be coordinated over different areas and be based upon sound science.

It would be a waste of time and resources that could be far better spent in conservation elsewhere.

I’m happy to embark on a decades-long process. The obvious starting place and the immediate priority would be conservation areas.

After which you can start removing every flat-weed in Australia. The task is just as impossible.

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

It would be a waste of time and resources that could be far better spent in conservation elsewhere.

I’m happy to embark on a decades-long process. The obvious starting place and the immediate priority would be conservation areas.

After which you can start removing every flat-weed in Australia. The task is just as impossible.

Currently or at all ?
I mean look at the effort most governments went to over Covid-19 imagine all that effort and money spend on the environment.
It’s wishful thinking but it would a long term plan over this entire century

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

It would be a waste of time and resources that could be far better spent in conservation elsewhere.

I’m happy to embark on a decades-long process. The obvious starting place and the immediate priority would be conservation areas.

After which you can start removing every flat-weed in Australia. The task is just as impossible.

It is theoretically possible to drive any animal to extinction through excessive human pressure. People say we will never get rid of wild dromedaries in Australia, yet they are extinct in the wild in their native Arabia through human pressure. Passenger Pigeons once numbered in the billions over North America.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

I’m happy to embark on a decades-long process. The obvious starting place and the immediate priority would be conservation areas.

After which you can start removing every flat-weed in Australia. The task is just as impossible.

Currently or at all ?
I mean look at the effort most governments went to over Covid-19 imagine all that effort and money spend on the environment.
It’s wishful thinking but it would a long term plan over this entire century

I suggest you go for a few trips into bush. It really is silly continuing this conversation, because you plainly do not understand the situation or the difficulties involved.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

I’m happy to embark on a decades-long process. The obvious starting place and the immediate priority would be conservation areas.

After which you can start removing every flat-weed in Australia. The task is just as impossible.

It is theoretically possible to drive any animal to extinction through excessive human pressure. People say we will never get rid of wild dromedaries in Australia, yet they are extinct in the wild in their native Arabia through human pressure. Passenger Pigeons once numbered in the billions over North America.

Think what you like, I cannot be bothered with this silly conversation.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

After which you can start removing every flat-weed in Australia. The task is just as impossible.

Currently or at all ?
I mean look at the effort most governments went to over Covid-19 imagine all that effort and money spend on the environment.
It’s wishful thinking but it would a long term plan over this entire century

I suggest you go for a few trips into bush. It really is silly continuing this conversation, because you plainly do not understand the situation or the difficulties involved.

So what then just write it off ?
The world motivated itself back in 1939 to dedicating enormous resources to fighting WWII imagine if we switched our economies (within reason) to fixing the planet today

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

After which you can start removing every flat-weed in Australia. The task is just as impossible.

It is theoretically possible to drive any animal to extinction through excessive human pressure. People say we will never get rid of wild dromedaries in Australia, yet they are extinct in the wild in their native Arabia through human pressure. Passenger Pigeons once numbered in the billions over North America.

Think what you like, I cannot be bothered with this silly conversation.

Why is it silly ?

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

It is theoretically possible to drive any animal to extinction through excessive human pressure. People say we will never get rid of wild dromedaries in Australia, yet they are extinct in the wild in their native Arabia through human pressure. Passenger Pigeons once numbered in the billions over North America.

Think what you like, I cannot be bothered with this silly conversation.

Why is it silly ?

Go and wreck some other thread. I grow very tired of you.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

It is theoretically possible to drive any animal to extinction through excessive human pressure. People say we will never get rid of wild dromedaries in Australia, yet they are extinct in the wild in their native Arabia through human pressure. Passenger Pigeons once numbered in the billions over North America.

Think what you like, I cannot be bothered with this silly conversation.

Why is it silly ?

If we’ve damaged the planet over the last century or so they surely we can fix it over another century

This is not only a great thing to happen to the Bilby, but as importantly shows the destruction by feral animals, especially cats and foxes that will drive many more of our unique animals to extinction. As it has proved impossible to control these ferals, Australia desperately needs more of these feral free fenced areas, otherwise we will lose much of our wildlife heritage.

This a line from the article why can these feral free areas not be expanded outwards and maintained long term with thousands of dedicated workers and funded long term regardless of whose in power

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Think what you like, I cannot be bothered with this silly conversation.

Why is it silly ?

If we’ve damaged the planet over the last century or so they surely we can fix it over another century

You two think it funny, posing all these stupid questions. It is just bad luck that the protection of our wildlife is a very serious subject and can do without your stupidity in obtaining a cheap laugh. Go a fuck up something less important dummy!

Cymek said:

This is not only a great thing to happen to the Bilby, but as importantly shows the destruction by feral animals, especially cats and foxes that will drive many more of our unique animals to extinction. As it has proved impossible to control these ferals, Australia desperately needs more of these feral free fenced areas, otherwise we will lose much of our wildlife heritage.

This a line from the article why can these feral free areas not be expanded outwards and maintained long term with thousands of dedicated workers and funded long term regardless of whose in power

They are my words dummy.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

Why is it silly ?

If we’ve damaged the planet over the last century or so they surely we can fix it over another century

You two think it funny, posing all these stupid questions. It is just bad luck that the protection of our wildlife is a very serious subject and can do without your stupidity in obtaining a cheap laugh. Go a fuck up something less important dummy!

Hey excuse me but why do you think we are trying to be funny, why could billions of dollars not be spent on the environment if that’s what was decided.
I imagine the amount spent is tiny compared to most other areas

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

This is not only a great thing to happen to the Bilby, but as importantly shows the destruction by feral animals, especially cats and foxes that will drive many more of our unique animals to extinction. As it has proved impossible to control these ferals, Australia desperately needs more of these feral free fenced areas, otherwise we will lose much of our wildlife heritage.

This a line from the article why can these feral free areas not be expanded outwards and maintained long term with thousands of dedicated workers and funded long term regardless of whose in power

They are my words dummy.

You are one man so why could not thousands of men and women do what you do as fulltime work

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

If we’ve damaged the planet over the last century or so they surely we can fix it over another century

You two think it funny, posing all these stupid questions. It is just bad luck that the protection of our wildlife is a very serious subject and can do without your stupidity in obtaining a cheap laugh. Go a fuck up something less important dummy!

Hey excuse me but why do you think we are trying to be funny, why could billions of dollars not be spent on the environment if that’s what was decided.
I imagine the amount spent is tiny compared to most other areas

Because you have no idea what you are talking about!

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

This is not only a great thing to happen to the Bilby, but as importantly shows the destruction by feral animals, especially cats and foxes that will drive many more of our unique animals to extinction. As it has proved impossible to control these ferals, Australia desperately needs more of these feral free fenced areas, otherwise we will lose much of our wildlife heritage.

This a line from the article why can these feral free areas not be expanded outwards and maintained long term with thousands of dedicated workers and funded long term regardless of whose in power

They are my words dummy.

You are one man so why could not thousands of men and women do what you do as fulltime work

How stupid can you be! My estimation of you Cymek has dropped off the chart, please go away and fuck up some other thread.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

You two think it funny, posing all these stupid questions. It is just bad luck that the protection of our wildlife is a very serious subject and can do without your stupidity in obtaining a cheap laugh. Go a fuck up something less important dummy!

Hey excuse me but why do you think we are trying to be funny, why could billions of dollars not be spent on the environment if that’s what was decided.
I imagine the amount spent is tiny compared to most other areas

Because you have no idea what you are talking about!

Tell us why a workforce of tens of thousands funded with multibillion of dollars a year dedicated to ridding Australia of feral pests couldn’t work
Surely what’s required at a minimum is something like the above

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

They are my words dummy.

You are one man so why could not thousands of men and women do what you do as fulltime work

How stupid can you be! My estimation of you Cymek has dropped off the chart, please go away and fuck up some other thread.

You give no actual answer do you, my estimation of you has also dropped

PF being his usual unhelpful self I see

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

You are one man so why could not thousands of men and women do what you do as fulltime work

How stupid can you be! My estimation of you Cymek has dropped off the chart, please go away and fuck up some other thread.

You give no actual answer do you, my estimation of you has also dropped

Try thinking about your families welfare, even if you don’t give a stuff yourself. As far as I am concerned this conversation has finished.

I suggesting Australia and the world tackle repairing environment over this century as much as we can.
We have huge resources at hand to do so, I looked up the amount spent on Iraq and Afghanistan wars (which achieved what exactly) it was 2.4 trillion, imagine that spent on the environment and renewable energy

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

How stupid can you be! My estimation of you Cymek has dropped off the chart, please go away and fuck up some other thread.

You give no actual answer do you, my estimation of you has also dropped

Try thinking about your families welfare, even if you don’t give a stuff yourself. As far as I am concerned this conversation has finished.

What does that have to do with it, we could attempt to mitigate damage with very little impact on our lives.

Cymek said:

I suggesting Australia and the world tackle repairing environment over this century as much as we can.
We have huge resources at hand to do so, I looked up the amount spent on Iraq and Afghanistan wars (which achieved what exactly) it was 2.4 trillion, imagine that spent on the environment and renewable energy

That money is essentially wasted isn’t it

The-Spectator said:

PF being his usual unhelpful self I see

The final insult to the subject of this thread. Hope you are all satisfied now. You don’t deserve this country.

PermeateFree said:

The-Spectator said:

PF being his usual unhelpful self I see

The final insult to the subject of this thread. Hope you are all satisfied now. You don’t deserve this country.

Why are you so angry with us, why can’t more people and money help to fix the protection of Bilbies. If say it has a workforce of a few people are not much money couldn’t it achieve more with more, you could for a start make the protected areas larger

PermeateFree said:

The-Spectator said:

PF being his usual unhelpful self I see

The final insult to the subject of this thread. Hope you are all satisfied now. You don’t deserve this country.

With advocates like you i’m surprised anyone cares about the environment.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

The-Spectator said:

PF being his usual unhelpful self I see

The final insult to the subject of this thread. Hope you are all satisfied now. You don’t deserve this country.

Why are you so angry with us, why can’t more people and money help to fix the protection of Bilbies. If say it has a workforce of a few people are not much money couldn’t it achieve more with more, you could for a start make the protected areas larger

Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

The final insult to the subject of this thread. Hope you are all satisfied now. You don’t deserve this country.

Why are you so angry with us, why can’t more people and money help to fix the protection of Bilbies. If say it has a workforce of a few people are not much money couldn’t it achieve more with more, you could for a start make the protected areas larger

Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.

PTBNTM they said,

Oh well. i t was a serious suggestion to use sports betting as a funding stream for conservation. Most of the big betting firms are foreign owned and they market very aggressively. If we could set this up it and ban these big international firms from advertising on local TV, radio and physical signage at sporting venues it would be remove a bit of a social scourge as well as promoting conservation. I was thinking it would be win-win.

If the allocation of these funds to conservation projects was done by a scientific panel based on merit it would also stop the funds being used to pork-barrel in specific electorates. Win-Win-Win.

Lots of small things can help

Why is Clean Up Australia Day once a year, why not everyday, pick up a piece of rubbish on the ground and put it in the bin.
Not sure the impact of general rubbish is on the native population but it surely couldn’t make it worse

Community work for offenders should include cleaning up local areas and waterways I was told its considered demeaning, really ?

I bet all environmental concerns are vastly underfunded and understaffed compared to everything else especially non essential areas

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

The final insult to the subject of this thread. Hope you are all satisfied now. You don’t deserve this country.

Why are you so angry with us, why can’t more people and money help to fix the protection of Bilbies. If say it has a workforce of a few people are not much money couldn’t it achieve more with more, you could for a start make the protected areas larger

Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.

Well who on earth would want to be friends with you? Is anyone here your friend? I’m certainly not, you claim to be part Aboriginal, but are ashamed and reject a people who has real attachment and understanding of this country, you are just another yob you can meet in any Public Bar. Some people refuse to be educated and prefer to remain ignorant and make stupid statements.

Cymek said:

Lots of small things can help

Why is Clean Up Australia Day once a year, why not everyday, pick up a piece of rubbish on the ground and put it in the bin.
Not sure the impact of general rubbish is on the native population but it surely couldn’t make it worse

Community work for offenders should include cleaning up local areas and waterways I was told its considered demeaning, really ?

I bet all environmental concerns are vastly underfunded and understaffed compared to everything else especially non essential areas

You just ignore my posts and continue to make the dumbest of statements. Try reading back, not just of your own posts but what others have said. It’s all there for your understanding, you don’t need to make another dumb statement. You might also point out the answers to a few others here, because they haven’t read them either.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Lots of small things can help

Why is Clean Up Australia Day once a year, why not everyday, pick up a piece of rubbish on the ground and put it in the bin.
Not sure the impact of general rubbish is on the native population but it surely couldn’t make it worse

Community work for offenders should include cleaning up local areas and waterways I was told its considered demeaning, really ?

I bet all environmental concerns are vastly underfunded and understaffed compared to everything else especially non essential areas

You just ignore my posts and continue to make the dumbest of statements. Try reading back, not just of your own posts but what others have said. It’s all there for your understanding, you don’t need to make another dumb statement. You might also point out the answers to a few others here, because they haven’t read them either.

You didn’t answer anything just said we are dumb or making fun.
I said get Aboriginal people involved on a large scale, pay them (they need money in this day and age) let them have large amounts of autonomy and it gives them purpose, having little purpose isn’t good for anyone.
Why could dedicating more resources help

>Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.”

there’s another way of seeing it, what happened

pf posted something substantive, the content and subject are, something he’s interested in, thinks it important but doesn’t expect galloping enthusiasms and remedies offered that way, the way it could read, to be helpful

a lot of the conversation here is, how should I say, well, inconsequential (nothing wrong with that), a casual style, quite fast moving too, sometimes the contributions overshoot the more restraining aspects of thought

my two cents worth (add a chuckle)

oops, I read that as Bibles.

transition said:

>Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.”

there’s another way of seeing it, what happened

pf posted something substantive, the content and subject are, something he’s interested in, thinks it important but doesn’t expect galloping enthusiasms and remedies offered that way, the way it could read, to be helpful

a lot of the conversation here is, how should I say, well, inconsequential (nothing wrong with that), a casual style, quite fast moving too, sometimes the contributions overshoot the more restraining aspects of thought

my two cents worth (add a chuckle)

Perhaps but why could the programme not be expanded, I can’t imagine it’s well funded

Cymek said:

transition said:

>Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.”

there’s another way of seeing it, what happened

pf posted something substantive, the content and subject are, something he’s interested in, thinks it important but doesn’t expect galloping enthusiasms and remedies offered that way, the way it could read, to be helpful

a lot of the conversation here is, how should I say, well, inconsequential (nothing wrong with that), a casual style, quite fast moving too, sometimes the contributions overshoot the more restraining aspects of thought

my two cents worth (add a chuckle)

Perhaps but why could the programme not be expanded, I can’t imagine it’s well funded

a lot of environmental work is (as are many things) devolved down to individuals and groups, even small groups, loose groups, for various reasons, saves investing in big programs that could expand out of control, it’s sort more ideologically neutral, more organic if you like, more fits with self-organizing principles. Nature’s self-organizing

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Lots of small things can help

Why is Clean Up Australia Day once a year, why not everyday, pick up a piece of rubbish on the ground and put it in the bin.
Not sure the impact of general rubbish is on the native population but it surely couldn’t make it worse

Community work for offenders should include cleaning up local areas and waterways I was told its considered demeaning, really ?

I bet all environmental concerns are vastly underfunded and understaffed compared to everything else especially non essential areas

You just ignore my posts and continue to make the dumbest of statements. Try reading back, not just of your own posts but what others have said. It’s all there for your understanding, you don’t need to make another dumb statement. You might also point out the answers to a few others here, because they haven’t read them either.

You didn’t answer anything just said we are dumb or making fun.
I said get Aboriginal people involved on a large scale, pay them (they need money in this day and age) let them have large amounts of autonomy and it gives them purpose, having little purpose isn’t good for anyone.
Why could dedicating more resources help

That question was answered.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

Australia is a very large country and no matter what method was used it would be ineffective. Feral cats in good conditions can double their population in a single year, so any unprotected area that was cleared of cats, it would not be long before they were back in their original number.

Unless we were to ban cats completely from the continent…

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Why are you so angry with us, why can’t more people and money help to fix the protection of Bilbies. If say it has a workforce of a few people are not much money couldn’t it achieve more with more, you could for a start make the protected areas larger

Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.

Well who on earth would want to be friends with you? Is anyone here your friend? I’m certainly not, you claim to be part Aboriginal, but are ashamed and reject a people who has real attachment and understanding of this country, you are just another yob you can meet in any Public Bar. Some people refuse to be educated and prefer to remain ignorant and make stupid statements.

LOL. Keep ‘em coming PF. You talk about trashing threads; well you’re the expert at that with your posting in Skunky’s memorial thread.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Would having large numbers of people who work fulltime to track down ferals animals, help or do they already do this type of thing

Australia is a very large country and no matter what method was used it would be ineffective. Feral cats in good conditions can double their population in a single year, so any unprotected area that was cleared of cats, it would not be long before they were back in their original number.

Unless we were to ban cats completely from the continent…

Something that is very feasible, is biological control, but Australia has too cat fanatics that would go berserk if one was introduced, even if there was a vaccine they could use to protect their own cats. Just look at the Brumby situation in Victoria’s and NSW high-country.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

Australia is a very large country and no matter what method was used it would be ineffective. Feral cats in good conditions can double their population in a single year, so any unprotected area that was cleared of cats, it would not be long before they were back in their original number.

Unless we were to ban cats completely from the continent…

Something that is very feasible, is biological control, but Australia has too cat fanatics that would go berserk if one was introduced, even if there was a vaccine they could use to protect their own cats. Just look at the Brumby situation in Victoria’s and NSW high-country.

They should have another go at that now Alan Jones has retired.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Don’t waste your time Cymek. PF is an angry loner with no friends cos he demands everyone worship him at his feet. Time and time again he has proven unknowledgable about many subjects he claims to understand and belligerent towards anyone who dares to question him.

Well who on earth would want to be friends with you? Is anyone here your friend? I’m certainly not, you claim to be part Aboriginal, but are ashamed and reject a people who has real attachment and understanding of this country, you are just another yob you can meet in any Public Bar. Some people refuse to be educated and prefer to remain ignorant and make stupid statements.

LOL. Keep ‘em coming PF. You talk about trashing threads; well you’re the expert at that with your posting in Skunky’s memorial thread.

Yes that is a good example of the depth of friendship to someone in need, but of course you wouldn’t see it that way.

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Well who on earth would want to be friends with you? Is anyone here your friend? I’m certainly not, you claim to be part Aboriginal, but are ashamed and reject a people who has real attachment and understanding of this country, you are just another yob you can meet in any Public Bar. Some people refuse to be educated and prefer to remain ignorant and make stupid statements.

LOL. Keep ‘em coming PF. You talk about trashing threads; well you’re the expert at that with your posting in Skunky’s memorial thread.

Yes that is a good example of the depth of friendship to someone in need, but of course you wouldn’t see it that way.

Well we know nobody here sees it your way.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

LOL. Keep ‘em coming PF. You talk about trashing threads; well you’re the expert at that with your posting in Skunky’s memorial thread.

Yes that is a good example of the depth of friendship to someone in need, but of course you wouldn’t see it that way.

Well we know nobody here sees it your way.

Well I slept soundly, knowing I did my best to ease his plight. So think what you like and consider what you did not do for your ?friend.

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Yes that is a good example of the depth of friendship to someone in need, but of course you wouldn’t see it that way.

Well we know nobody here sees it your way.

Well I slept soundly, knowing I did my best to ease his plight. So think what you like and consider what you did not do for your ?friend.

You sleep soundly because you’re sociopathic moron. If only you found some real world friends to cure your loneliness but unfortunately your immense ego couldn’t deal with the humility that would require.

My intention was to contribute not trash the thread (which I don’t think I did but anyway)

This thread just needs drones and we’re done.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Well we know nobody here sees it your way.

Well I slept soundly, knowing I did my best to ease his plight. So think what you like and consider what you did not do for your ?friend.

You sleep soundly because you’re sociopathic moron. If only you found some real world friends to cure your loneliness but unfortunately your immense ego couldn’t deal with the humility that would require.

It looks like you are slipping off the plank Witty and even making the same errors as another critic. The point being I was one of two people who showed empathy with Curve, plus I show considerable empathy for this country, which of course a sociopath would not. Plus I am not lonely, I just don’t like stupid people like you. There are far more people that know me than probably anyone else in this forum, I also know many in the scientific field, yet I prefer to live as a recluse. As for ego, I naturally have one, but being a recluse seldom extend it, although I must admit I think I am far more intelligent than you, but that could just be an obvious observation anyone can make.

Carry on Witty and make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Cymek said:

My intention was to contribute not trash the thread (which I don’t think I did but anyway)

All of your questions had been answered, some more than once. You either did not read them or did not understand them.

Speedy said:

This thread just needs drones and we’re done.

Don’t say that, I am just beginning to enjoy myself.

PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

This thread just needs drones and we’re done.

Don’t say that, I am just beginning to enjoy myself.

Drone footage inside the Bilby Fence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dYLMJq3eo

Drone footage taken inside the predator-exclusion area at the Bilby Fence in Currawinya National Park, western Queensland. This area is being prepared for the release of bilbies in the near future to help save this species which is Endangered in Queensland and listed as Vulnerable nationally. Visit our website to learn how you can help save these precious creatures through our emergency appeal.

I know it’s not Mallee Cliffs, but when I last visited Currawinya I really tried to find this “secret” enclosure. There was no way to get to it without passing through the ranger station and then driving through some locked gates. It’s very well protected from the public as I think animal enclosures such as this one have been vandalised in the past. It only takes one cat to get in there and years of work can be undone in no time.

Speedy said:

PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

This thread just needs drones and we’re done.

Don’t say that, I am just beginning to enjoy myself.

Drone footage inside the Bilby Fence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dYLMJq3eo

Drone footage taken inside the predator-exclusion area at the Bilby Fence in Currawinya National Park, western Queensland. This area is being prepared for the release of bilbies in the near future to help save this species which is Endangered in Queensland and listed as Vulnerable nationally. Visit our website to learn how you can help save these precious creatures through our emergency appeal.

I know it’s not Mallee Cliffs, but when I last visited Currawinya I really tried to find this “secret” enclosure. There was no way to get to it without passing through the ranger station and then driving through some locked gates. It’s very well protected from the public as I think animal enclosures such as this one have been vandalised in the past. It only takes one cat to get in there and years of work can be undone in no time.

Thanks for that, I hadn’t realised the Qld National Park Service were getting into feral proof fenced area. Things are certainly looking up when they start putting money into something like that. Did you see the post where drones were fitted with infer-red cameras and they could accurately count target animals at night. It was very effective, but obviously a sizable animal would be required (around cat size and above).

PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t say that, I am just beginning to enjoy myself.

Drone footage inside the Bilby Fence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dYLMJq3eo

Drone footage taken inside the predator-exclusion area at the Bilby Fence in Currawinya National Park, western Queensland. This area is being prepared for the release of bilbies in the near future to help save this species which is Endangered in Queensland and listed as Vulnerable nationally. Visit our website to learn how you can help save these precious creatures through our emergency appeal.

I know it’s not Mallee Cliffs, but when I last visited Currawinya I really tried to find this “secret” enclosure. There was no way to get to it without passing through the ranger station and then driving through some locked gates. It’s very well protected from the public as I think animal enclosures such as this one have been vandalised in the past. It only takes one cat to get in there and years of work can be undone in no time.

Thanks for that, I hadn’t realised the Qld National Park Service were getting into feral proof fenced area. Things are certainly looking up when they start putting money into something like that. Did you see the post where drones were fitted with infer-red cameras and they could accurately count target animals at night. It was very effective, but obviously a sizable animal would be required (around cat size and above).

No I didn’t see that, but did see the drone footage of the turtle count at Raine Island recently …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWmSYazdZR4

Speedy said:

PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

Drone footage inside the Bilby Fence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dYLMJq3eo

Drone footage taken inside the predator-exclusion area at the Bilby Fence in Currawinya National Park, western Queensland. This area is being prepared for the release of bilbies in the near future to help save this species which is Endangered in Queensland and listed as Vulnerable nationally. Visit our website to learn how you can help save these precious creatures through our emergency appeal.

I know it’s not Mallee Cliffs, but when I last visited Currawinya I really tried to find this “secret” enclosure. There was no way to get to it without passing through the ranger station and then driving through some locked gates. It’s very well protected from the public as I think animal enclosures such as this one have been vandalised in the past. It only takes one cat to get in there and years of work can be undone in no time.

Thanks for that, I hadn’t realised the Qld National Park Service were getting into feral proof fenced area. Things are certainly looking up when they start putting money into something like that. Did you see the post where drones were fitted with infer-red cameras and they could accurately count target animals at night. It was very effective, but obviously a sizable animal would be required (around cat size and above).

No I didn’t see that, but did see the drone footage of the turtle count at Raine Island recently …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWmSYazdZR4

Amazing, you wouldn’t be able to do that any other way. Tau’s enthusiasm for drones was not misplaced.

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Well I slept soundly, knowing I did my best to ease his plight. So think what you like and consider what you did not do for your ?friend.

You sleep soundly because you’re sociopathic moron. If only you found some real world friends to cure your loneliness but unfortunately your immense ego couldn’t deal with the humility that would require.

It looks like you are slipping off the plank Witty and even making the same errors as another critic. The point being I was one of two people who showed empathy with Curve, plus I show considerable empathy for this country, which of course a sociopath would not. Plus I am not lonely, I just don’t like stupid people like you. There are far more people that know me than probably anyone else in this forum, I also know many in the scientific field, yet I prefer to live as a recluse. As for ego, I naturally have one, but being a recluse seldom extend it, although I must admit I think I am far more intelligent than you, but that could just be an obvious observation anyone can make.

Carry on Witty and make an even bigger fool of yourself.

LOL

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You sleep soundly because you’re sociopathic moron. If only you found some real world friends to cure your loneliness but unfortunately your immense ego couldn’t deal with the humility that would require.

It looks like you are slipping off the plank Witty and even making the same errors as another critic. The point being I was one of two people who showed empathy with Curve, plus I show considerable empathy for this country, which of course a sociopath would not. Plus I am not lonely, I just don’t like stupid people like you. There are far more people that know me than probably anyone else in this forum, I also know many in the scientific field, yet I prefer to live as a recluse. As for ego, I naturally have one, but being a recluse seldom extend it, although I must admit I think I am far more intelligent than you, but that could just be an obvious observation anyone can make.

Carry on Witty and make an even bigger fool of yourself.

LOL

:))))

PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t say that, I am just beginning to enjoy myself.

Drone footage inside the Bilby Fence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dYLMJq3eo

Drone footage taken inside the predator-exclusion area at the Bilby Fence in Currawinya National Park, western Queensland. This area is being prepared for the release of bilbies in the near future to help save this species which is Endangered in Queensland and listed as Vulnerable nationally. Visit our website to learn how you can help save these precious creatures through our emergency appeal.

I know it’s not Mallee Cliffs, but when I last visited Currawinya I really tried to find this “secret” enclosure. There was no way to get to it without passing through the ranger station and then driving through some locked gates. It’s very well protected from the public as I think animal enclosures such as this one have been vandalised in the past. It only takes one cat to get in there and years of work can be undone in no time.

Thanks for that, I hadn’t realised the Qld National Park Service were getting into feral proof fenced area. Things are certainly looking up when they start putting money into something like that. Did you see the post where drones were fitted with infer-red cameras and they could accurately count target animals at night. It was very effective, but obviously a sizable animal would be required (around cat size and above).

Could they RFD tag the animals and track them that way

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

Drone footage inside the Bilby Fence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dYLMJq3eo

Drone footage taken inside the predator-exclusion area at the Bilby Fence in Currawinya National Park, western Queensland. This area is being prepared for the release of bilbies in the near future to help save this species which is Endangered in Queensland and listed as Vulnerable nationally. Visit our website to learn how you can help save these precious creatures through our emergency appeal.

I know it’s not Mallee Cliffs, but when I last visited Currawinya I really tried to find this “secret” enclosure. There was no way to get to it without passing through the ranger station and then driving through some locked gates. It’s very well protected from the public as I think animal enclosures such as this one have been vandalised in the past. It only takes one cat to get in there and years of work can be undone in no time.

Thanks for that, I hadn’t realised the Qld National Park Service were getting into feral proof fenced area. Things are certainly looking up when they start putting money into something like that. Did you see the post where drones were fitted with infer-red cameras and they could accurately count target animals at night. It was very effective, but obviously a sizable animal would be required (around cat size and above).

Could they RFD tag the animals and track them that way

RFID are only short range.