Ready for tomorrow…
thanks Buffy. Standing by…
Do we know about this yet?
Seems the Australian government has had some of the architecture (?) for the Covid-19 App automatically installed on our phones as part of an ‘Update’ last week.
Rule 303 said:
Do we know about this yet?
Seems the Australian government has had some of the architecture (?) for the Covid-19 App automatically installed on our phones as part of an ‘Update’ last week.
One of my facebook friends has gone full caps.
Rule 303 said:
Do we know about this yet?
Seems the Australian government has had some of the architecture (?) for the Covid-19 App automatically installed on our phones as part of an ‘Update’ last week.
Nope – google and Apple both announced this a few months ago.
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
Do we know about this yet?
Seems the Australian government has had some of the architecture (?) for the Covid-19 App automatically installed on our phones as part of an ‘Update’ last week.
Nope – google and Apple both announced this a few months ago.
I missed it.
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
Do we know about this yet?
Seems the Australian government has had some of the architecture (?) for the Covid-19 App automatically installed on our phones as part of an ‘Update’ last week.
Nope – google and Apple both announced this a few months ago.
I missed it.
The UK were testing a Covid app on the Isle of White but a few days ago abandoned the trial and will be using the Apple/Google proprietary app.
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
Do we know about this yet?
Seems the Australian government has had some of the architecture (?) for the Covid-19 App automatically installed on our phones as part of an ‘Update’ last week.
Nope – google and Apple both announced this a few months ago.
Remain calm.
All is well.
Your data is safe.
Hang on….update…Australian govt under cyber attack by state-sponsored agencies…all areas vulnerable…ATO, AFP…
Remain calm.
All is well…
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
Do we know about this yet?
Seems the Australian government has had some of the architecture (?) for the Covid-19 App automatically installed on our phones as part of an ‘Update’ last week.
Nope – google and Apple both announced this a few months ago.
Remain calm.
All is well.
Your data is safe.
Hang on….update…Australian govt under cyber attack by state-sponsored agencies…all areas vulnerable…ATO, AFP…
Remain calm.
All is well…
Again, what rule is showing is not part of the government app. It was two private companies deciding to track populations all on their own (or together in this case)
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:Nope – google and Apple both announced this a few months ago.
Remain calm.
All is well.
Your data is safe.
Hang on….update…Australian govt under cyber attack by state-sponsored agencies…all areas vulnerable…ATO, AFP…
Remain calm.
All is well…
Again, what rule is showing is not part of the government app. It was two private companies deciding to track populations all on their own (or together in this case)
Oh, that’s all right then.
I’m sure that something the Aus gov came up with is far better. And didn’t borrow from any technology from onths back.
Now we can all get some sleep.
Peak Warming Man said:
The UK were testing a Covid app on the Isle of White but a few days ago abandoned the trial and will be using the Apple/Google proprietary app.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The UK were testing a Covid app on the Isle of White but a few days ago abandoned the trial and will be using the Apple/Google proprietary app.
Ha!
:-)
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The UK were testing a Covid app on the Isle of White but a few days ago abandoned the trial and will be using the Apple/Google proprietary app.
Yeah I heard that it was shit and drained people’s battery life. Also it wasn’t secure and would give the government the ability to track a lot more than just the Covids if they so desired. But still, the contract went to a mate of theirs and loyal donor, so they’ll get the money back.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The UK were testing a Covid app on the Isle of White but a few days ago abandoned the trial and will be using the Apple/Google proprietary app.
Yeah I heard that it was shit and drained people’s battery life. Also it wasn’t secure and would give the government the ability to track a lot more than just the Covids if they so desired. But still, the contract went to a mate of theirs and loyal donor, so they’ll get the money back.
Meh, there’s not evil everywhere.
A lot of governments developed an app with noble intentions but if something better comes along dont bloody your nose stubbornly persevering with an inferior one.
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:Nope – google and Apple both announced this a few months ago.
Remain calm.
All is well.
Your data is safe.
Hang on….update…Australian govt under cyber attack by state-sponsored agencies…all areas vulnerable…ATO, AFP…
Remain calm.
All is well…
Again, what rule is showing is not part of the government app. It was two private companies deciding to track populations all on their own (or together in this case)
It was mentioned in the latest Coronavirus email.
¿ so in the end it’s back to traditional flesh and bone old fashioned contact tracers then ?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-22/report-supports-queensland-and-western-australia-border-closures/12378410
Archery: entertain the idea that New South China premier allowed COVID-19 to spread to enable other Labor commie states to prove a point about border closures against Federal Liberal goading.
Then there’s this, we don’t know much about these things but anyone please explain to us why it’s necessary to shut down a service that works and replaces a service that isn’t working in the circumstances, what’s the bad thing about it ¿¡
—
“One of the good things that happened was telehealth … and at the moment they’ve said this is going to come to an end in September.
“What we really need to do is say ‘This has been really good for the health system, really convenient it’s improved access dramatically so we need to have some form of telehealth really part of the health system for the future.’”
Evidence That JacindaNation Lies As Much As Other East Countries That Claim To Have Crushed The First Wave*
—
Our total number of confirmed cases is now 1,161, which is the number we report to the World Health Organization.
Our combined total of confirmed and probable cases is now 1,511.
See, don’t do positive tests, and don’t need to report!
*: and then there are the actual
SCIENCE said:
Then there’s this, we don’t know much about these things but anyone please explain to us why it’s necessary to shut down a service that works and replaces a service that isn’t working in the circumstances, what’s the bad thing about it ¿¡—
“One of the good things that happened was telehealth … and at the moment they’ve said this is going to come to an end in September.
“What we really need to do is say ‘This has been really good for the health system, really convenient it’s improved access dramatically so we need to have some form of telehealth really part of the health system for the future.’”
Funding.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Then there’s this, we don’t know much about these things but anyone please explain to us why it’s necessary to shut down a service that works and replaces a service that isn’t working in the circumstances, what’s the bad thing about it ¿¡—
“One of the good things that happened was telehealth … and at the moment they’ve said this is going to come to an end in September.
“What we really need to do is say ‘This has been really good for the health system, really convenient it’s improved access dramatically so we need to have some form of telehealth really part of the health system for the future.’”
Funding.
So they get rid of a new system that minimises overall costs and go back to the old system that minimises visible costs and maximises hidden costs.
Sounds about right.
SCIENCE said:
Evidence That JacindaNation Lies As Much As Other East Countries That Claim To Have Crushed The First Wave*—
Our total number of confirmed cases is now 1,161, which is the number we report to the World Health Organization.
Our combined total of confirmed and probable cases is now 1,511.
See, don’t do positive tests, and don’t need to report!
*: and then there are the actual
And yet when you go to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ NZ is shown as having 1,511 total cases. How utterly strange is that.
Morning punters and correctors, it’s the shortest day today I believe.
Peak Warming Man said:
Morning punters and correctors, it’s the shortest day today I believe.
Longest night.
Sensible or silly ?
Work colleague is talking to another work colleague how they don’t want to go out to a restaurant as they don’t want to sit with other people, what if the dishwasher isn’t working, etc
I mean we barely had any community transmission at all let alone now were its quite likely almost zero.
I think it’s absurd but the whole Covid saga hasn’t worried me in the slightest
This is still doing the rounds (without the ‘Debunked’ stamp) of the electric internets:
Cymek said:
Sensible or silly ?Work colleague is talking to another work colleague how they don’t want to go out to a restaurant as they don’t want to sit with other people, what if the dishwasher isn’t working, etc
I mean we barely had any community transmission at all let alone now were its quite likely almost zero.
I think it’s absurd but the whole Covid saga hasn’t worried me in the slightest
So do you agree that it was all just alarmist overreaction, those idiots in charge tanked the economy (must grow) for nothing, they got it wrong, they herd the wrong sheeple¿
The Rev Dodgson said:
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Then there’s this, we don’t know much about these things but anyone please explain to us why it’s necessary to shut down a service that works and replaces a service that isn’t working in the circumstances, what’s the bad thing about it ¿¡—
“One of the good things that happened was telehealth … and at the moment they’ve said this is going to come to an end in September.
“What we really need to do is say ‘This has been really good for the health system, really convenient it’s improved access dramatically so we need to have some form of telehealth really part of the health system for the future.’”
Funding.
So they get rid of a new system that minimises overall costs and go back to the old system that minimises visible costs and maximises hidden costs.
Sounds about right.
We Must Burn More Coal For The Economy Must Grow
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Evidence That JacindaNation Lies As Much As Other East Countries That Claim To Have Crushed The First Wave*—
Our total number of confirmed cases is now 1,161, which is the number we report to the World Health Organization.
Our combined total of confirmed and probable cases is now 1,511.
See, don’t do positive tests, and don’t need to report!
*: and then there are the actual
And yet when you go to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ NZ is shown as having 1,511 total cases. How utterly strange is that.
someone’s lying
No mud slinging reported here yet, surprising.
Mr Morrison said it was likely there would be further outbreaks of coronavirus, but that the Victorian measures were appropriate.
“Localised containment, rings of containment have always been part of the plan.
“That’s sensible under the circumstances, and we’d hope that that would mean that some of those restrictions could be eased once the risk has passed.”
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Sensible or silly ?Work colleague is talking to another work colleague how they don’t want to go out to a restaurant as they don’t want to sit with other people, what if the dishwasher isn’t working, etc
I mean we barely had any community transmission at all let alone now were its quite likely almost zero.
I think it’s absurd but the whole Covid saga hasn’t worried me in the slightest
So do you agree that it was all just alarmist overreaction, those idiots in charge tanked the economy (must grow) for nothing, they got it wrong, they herd the wrong sheeple¿
No but is what I mentioned an overreaction
Weeks after telling everyone else how stupid they are for having border restrictions, everyone else else buys tickets to the Club of Stupid.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Sensible or silly ?Work colleague is talking to another work colleague how they don’t want to go out to a restaurant as they don’t want to sit with other people, what if the dishwasher isn’t working, etc
I mean we barely had any community transmission at all let alone now were its quite likely almost zero.
I think it’s absurd but the whole Covid saga hasn’t worried me in the slightest
So do you agree that it was all just alarmist overreaction, those idiots in charge tanked the economy (must grow) for nothing, they got it wrong, they herd the wrong sheeple¿
No but is what I mentioned an overreaction
More information required, it’s possible they have multiple frail elderly people at home, they may have close experience with other recent clusters, they may already have been very careful about infection control for pre-existing reasons, and so forth.
We’d probably risk the occasional dinner out but it’s true, look at VIC, you never know.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:So do you agree that it was all just alarmist overreaction, those idiots in charge tanked the economy (must grow) for nothing, they got it wrong, they herd the wrong sheeple¿
No but is what I mentioned an overreaction
More information required, it’s possible they have multiple frail elderly people at home, they may have close experience with other recent clusters, they may already have been very careful about infection control for pre-existing reasons, and so forth.
We’d probably risk the occasional dinner out but it’s true, look at VIC, you never know.
Cymek lives int he Perth Bubble… we all think it’s Over judging by the number of people at shopping centres yesterday. .
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Sensible or silly ?Work colleague is talking to another work colleague how they don’t want to go out to a restaurant as they don’t want to sit with other people, what if the dishwasher isn’t working, etc
I mean we barely had any community transmission at all let alone now were its quite likely almost zero.
I think it’s absurd but the whole Covid saga hasn’t worried me in the slightest
So do you agree that it was all just alarmist overreaction, those idiots in charge tanked the economy (must grow) for nothing, they got it wrong, they herd the wrong sheeple¿
you don’t see what doesn’t happen, what is prevented from happening, what was prevented from happening here, because to-date it hasn’t happened
a different situation, a different reality panned out elsewhere, people died from a contagion, friends, relatives, got very ill, died, requiring burial, there was and is grief, lots of it, and somewhat unnatural deaths to make it worse
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Sensible or silly ?Work colleague is talking to another work colleague how they don’t want to go out to a restaurant as they don’t want to sit with other people, what if the dishwasher isn’t working, etc
I mean we barely had any community transmission at all let alone now were its quite likely almost zero.
I think it’s absurd but the whole Covid saga hasn’t worried me in the slightest
So do you agree that it was all just alarmist overreaction, those idiots in charge tanked the economy (must grow) for nothing, they got it wrong, they herd the wrong sheeple¿
you don’t see what doesn’t happen, what is prevented from happening, what was prevented from happening here, because to-date it hasn’t happened
a different situation, a different reality panned out elsewhere, people died from a contagion, friends, relatives, got very ill, died, requiring burial, there was and is grief, lots of it, and somewhat unnatural deaths to make it worse
Actually as SCIENCE we do indeed {see what doesn’t happen, what is prevented from happening, what was prevented from happening here, because to-date it hasn’t happened} but yes we also suspect we owe a lot to the paranoid people at the start who acted nervously and stayed home and emptied the centres and wore masks and showed the rest of us that some people did take it seriously.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:So do you agree that it was all just alarmist overreaction, those idiots in charge tanked the economy (must grow) for nothing, they got it wrong, they herd the wrong sheeple¿
you don’t see what doesn’t happen, what is prevented from happening, what was prevented from happening here, because to-date it hasn’t happened
a different situation, a different reality panned out elsewhere, people died from a contagion, friends, relatives, got very ill, died, requiring burial, there was and is grief, lots of it, and somewhat unnatural deaths to make it worse
Actually as SCIENCE we do indeed {see what doesn’t happen, what is prevented from happening, what was prevented from happening here, because to-date it hasn’t happened} but yes we also suspect we owe a lot to the paranoid people at the start who acted nervously and stayed home and emptied the centres and wore masks and showed the rest of us that some people did take it seriously.
if I had a point, the ‘distance’ people use to prevent getting covid also involves psychological distance, if you will
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries. My message on that is very clear!
Arts said:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries. My message on that is very clear!
How does that work, if they are positive they are actual cases, he really is an old grey man dancer
Cymek said:
Arts said:Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries. My message on that is very clear!
How does that work, if they are positive they are actual cases, he really is an old grey man dancer
If their testing is so much better than everyone else, they should be assisting other countries with lesser testing regimes to boost their numbers.
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries. My message on that is very clear!
How does that work, if they are positive they are actual cases, he really is an old grey man dancer
If their testing is so much better than everyone else, they should be assisting other countries with lesser testing regimes to boost their numbers.
DJT may have hid them in a bunker.
Arts said:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries. My message on that is very clear!
Yes, it’s very clear you are a fucking idiot, Trump.
meanwhile back in Austra sorry we mean the 53rd state of the USSA
Mystery over new COVID-19 case in NSW
Two new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed between 8pm on June 20 and 8pm on June 21, bringing the total number of cases in NSW to 3151. The second is a man in his 30s from South Western Sydney. He has not travelled or attended any mass gatherings recently. He is well and is isolating at home.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/coronavirus-australia-mystery-over-new-covid19-case-in-nsw/news-story/f67585c2fd5b90249d81428791da90df
could still be a false positive we guess but even so, who wants to catch a cold, or just a ‘flu’, which (zOMG) kills old people too !!! Like, we’re already unemployed as fk and ¿The Economy Must Grow, right ? So who needs any more people taking sick leave even if it’s just a little bit of measles or poliomyelitis or smallpox
want to ease more restrictions¿ fkn wear a mask
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries. My message on that is very clear!
Yes, it’s very clear you are a fucking idiot, Trump.
Lies make baby Jesus cry
The-Spectator said:
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries. My message on that is very clear!
Yes, it’s very clear you are a fucking idiot, Trump.
Lies make baby Jesus cry
He must be flooding himself listening to trump then.
Arts said:
The-Spectator said:
Divine Angel said:Yes, it’s very clear you are a fucking idiot, Trump.
Lies make baby Jesus cry
He must be flooding himself listening to trump then.
For some reason I just remembered, Father, on death bed, to self.
‘Your mother doesn’t lie. She does sometimes exaggerate to the point where it is hard to find the truth in what she saying.’
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-22/coronavirus-update-june-22/12378574
Brazil’s COVID-19 death toll has officially passed 50,000, as the country with the world’s second-highest number of coronavirus cases faces rising political instability and deep economic troubles. The rapid spread of the virus has eroded support for right-wing President Jair Bolsonaro, and has raised fears of economic collapse after years of anaemic growth. Mr Bolsonaro has been widely criticised for his handling of the crisis — the country still has no permanent health minister after losing two since April, following clashes with the President. The Brazilian leader has shunned social distancing, calling it a job-killing measure more dangerous than the virus itself, and has also promoted two anti-malarial drugs as remedies despite little evidence they work.
On Sunday, Mr Bolsonaro said the military served the will of the people and its mission was to defend democracy, adding fuel to a debate about the armed forces’ role amid rumbling fears of political fragility.
The World Health Organization has reported the largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases by its count, with the total rising by 183,020 in a 24-hour period. The UN health agency said Brazil led the way with 54,771 cases tallied and the US next at 36,617. More than 15,400 cases came from India. More than two-thirds of those new deaths were reported in the Americas.
Operations at a PepsiCo food-processing plant in Beijing have been suspended after at least one employee tested positive for coronavirus, in the latest outbreak of COVID-19 in the Chinese capital. Lay’s, which is owned by PepsiCo, said in a post on its micro-blog that the affected food-processing plant produced a small quantity of its potato chips. It said the chance of any virus surviving during food processing was very low.
Police in The Hague have arrested dozens of people after they refused to leave a protest against the Dutch Government’s social-distancing measures put in place to halt the spread of the coronavirus.
RKI said outbreaks had been reported in nursing homes and hospitals, institutions for asylum seekers and refugees, in meat processing plants and logistics companies, among seasonal harvest workers and in connection with religious events and family gatherings.
*: disclaimer: we do not represent that all the groups mentioned above fit the category of “arseholes of the world”, only that some of them do
party_pants said:
WorldoMeter has hit 9 million cases now. Barely a week after hitting 8 million.
China’s fault
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
WorldoMeter has hit 9 million cases now. Barely a week after hitting 8 million.
China’s fault
Not entirely. It is not like every other country in the world had no warning of it. There is always a duty of self-care and to mitigate your own losses and that sort of thing – in both a legal and a moral sense.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
WorldoMeter has hit 9 million cases now. Barely a week after hitting 8 million.
China’s fault
Not entirely. It is not like every other country in the world had no warning of it. There is always a duty of self-care and to mitigate your own losses and that sort of thing – in both a legal and a moral sense.
Jaysus, you’re just a shill for competent governments.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:China’s fault
Not entirely. It is not like every other country in the world had no warning of it. There is always a duty of self-care and to mitigate your own losses and that sort of thing – in both a legal and a moral sense.
Jaysus, you’re just a shill for competent governments.
I am a shill for many things these days.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:China’s fault
Not entirely. It is not like every other country in the world had no warning of it. There is always a duty of self-care and to mitigate your own losses and that sort of thing – in both a legal and a moral sense.
Jaysus, you’re just a shill for competent governments.
And what’s wrong with that?
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Not entirely. It is not like every other country in the world had no warning of it. There is always a duty of self-care and to mitigate your own losses and that sort of thing – in both a legal and a moral sense.
Jaysus, you’re just a shill for competent governments.
I am a shill for many things these days.
shill be right mate
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Not entirely. It is not like every other country in the world had no warning of it. There is always a duty of self-care and to mitigate your own losses and that sort of thing – in both a legal and a moral sense.
Jaysus, you’re just a shill for competent governments.
And what’s wrong with that?
Gives MV’s irony detector a little nudge.
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-06-21/how-to-socialise-safely-during-coronavirus-pandemic/12372818?nw=0
advice seems pretty fair
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
I’m surprised the Ruskies didn’t make a move into Europe
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
I’m surprised the Ruskies didn’t make a move into Europe
Really?
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
I’m surprised the Ruskies didn’t make a move into Europe
Russia will be one of the fucked up countries. They’ll be the ones warding off foreign invaders.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:Jaysus, you’re just a shill for competent governments.
And what’s wrong with that?
Gives MV’s irony detector a little nudge.
OK?
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
I’m surprised the Ruskies didn’t make a move into Europe
Really?
Somewhat I thought someone might take the upheaval to invade someone else and take the risk no one comes to help
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:And what’s wrong with that?
Gives MV’s irony detector a little nudge.
OK?
He’s younger than I thought
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:I’m surprised the Ruskies didn’t make a move into Europe
Really?
Somewhat I thought someone might take the upheaval to invade someone else and take the risk no one comes to help
I doubt Russia has had the capability for quite a few years now.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:Really?
Somewhat I thought someone might take the upheaval to invade someone else and take the risk no one comes to help
I doubt Russia has had the capability for quite a few years now.
I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Somewhat I thought someone might take the upheaval to invade someone else and take the risk no one comes to help
I doubt Russia has had the capability for quite a few years now.
I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Beautiful, isn’t it.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Somewhat I thought someone might take the upheaval to invade someone else and take the risk no one comes to help
I doubt Russia has had the capability for quite a few years now.
I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Troops would hardly feel the affects. A sniffle here and there but the vast majority of those going to fight will be under 40. Some of the senior generals may be a bit worried :)
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Somewhat I thought someone might take the upheaval to invade someone else and take the risk no one comes to help
I doubt Russia has had the capability for quite a few years now.
I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Troops would hardly feel the affects. A sniffle here and there but the vast majority of those going to fight will be under 40. Some of the senior generals may be a bit worried :)
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:I doubt Russia has had the capability for quite a few years now.
I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Troops would hardly feel the affects. A sniffle here and there but the vast majority of those going to fight will be under 40. Some of the senior generals may be a bit worried :)
The more people infected, the greater the chance of mutation. It has already killed younger people than 40 year olds.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:I doubt Russia has had the capability for quite a few years now.
I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Beautiful, isn’t it.
We all kind of knew human nature would be as bad or worse as the virus
PermeateFree said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Troops would hardly feel the affects. A sniffle here and there but the vast majority of those going to fight will be under 40. Some of the senior generals may be a bit worried :)
The more people infected, the greater the chance of mutation. It has already killed younger people than 40 year olds.
It has been proposed that fatalities are influenced by the viral load initially obtained.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:I wonder if military aid from anywhere would still happen if someone invaded someone else.
Troops would be packed in for transport and rife for the virus
Beautiful, isn’t it.
We all kind of knew human nature would be as bad or worse as the virus
It is the virus and our way of life the economy.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:Beautiful, isn’t it.
We all kind of knew human nature would be as bad or worse as the virus
It is the virus and our way of life the economy.
To be fair many people have also stepped up and done their best to help others.
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
aren’t you sort of using the term nature there to substitute for something you’re really avoiding defining (or appealing to other peoples undefined notions), sort of a word shift
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:We all kind of knew human nature would be as bad or worse as the virus
It is the virus and our way of life the economy.
To be fair many people have also stepped up and done their best to help others.
Don’t think it matters much when you and your family are at risk.
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
aren’t you sort of using the term nature there to substitute for something you’re really avoiding defining (or appealing to other peoples undefined notions), sort of a word shift
Can you translate please, or be more explicit.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
aren’t you sort of using the term nature there to substitute for something you’re really avoiding defining (or appealing to other peoples undefined notions), sort of a word shift
Can you translate please, or be more explicit.
well, you’ve used the term nature, mentioned admiration, and stated it will always work in the end
I was wondering what that meant
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:aren’t you sort of using the term nature there to substitute for something you’re really avoiding defining (or appealing to other peoples undefined notions), sort of a word shift
Can you translate please, or be more explicit.
well, you’ve used the term nature, mentioned admiration, and stated it will always work in the end
I was wondering what that meant
Don’t know how I explain more clearly, unless you ask specific questions. Taken as a whole it all seems to work for me. Are you surprised that I am not cursing it, instead admiring its checkmating movement.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Can you translate please, or be more explicit.
well, you’ve used the term nature, mentioned admiration, and stated it will always work in the end
I was wondering what that meant
Don’t know how I explain more clearly, unless you ask specific questions. Taken as a whole it all seems to work for me. Are you surprised that I am not cursing it, instead admiring its checkmating movement.
I can assume probably that you admire your idea/s about nature, whether that admiration or the ideas are really a good representation of whatever nature is, or could be, or might be, I couldn’t say
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:Jaysus, you’re just a shill for competent governments.
And what’s wrong with that?
Gives MV’s irony detector a little nudge.
:)
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:And what’s wrong with that?
Gives MV’s irony detector a little nudge.
OK?
IDGI
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:well, you’ve used the term nature, mentioned admiration, and stated it will always work in the end
I was wondering what that meant
Don’t know how I explain more clearly, unless you ask specific questions. Taken as a whole it all seems to work for me. Are you surprised that I am not cursing it, instead admiring its checkmating movement.
I can assume probably that you admire your idea/s about nature, whether that admiration or the ideas are really a good representation of whatever nature is, or could be, or might be, I couldn’t say
Having studied the facts of it for most of my life, I do not fantasise it, but admire it for what it is. If you prefer, nature it is the basis of evolution.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t know how I explain more clearly, unless you ask specific questions. Taken as a whole it all seems to work for me. Are you surprised that I am not cursing it, instead admiring its checkmating movement.
I can assume probably that you admire your idea/s about nature, whether that admiration or the ideas are really a good representation of whatever nature is, or could be, or might be, I couldn’t say
Having studied the facts of it for most of my life, I do not fantasise it, but admire it for what it is. If you prefer, nature it is the basis of evolution.
fair enough, just sensed the idea (of nature) may have had something undefined about it, some secret, I was worried I may catch something from it, then woke tomorrow with a rash, ideas being contagious you know
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:I can assume probably that you admire your idea/s about nature, whether that admiration or the ideas are really a good representation of whatever nature is, or could be, or might be, I couldn’t say
Having studied the facts of it for most of my life, I do not fantasise it, but admire it for what it is. If you prefer, nature it is the basis of evolution.
fair enough, just sensed the idea (of nature) may have had something undefined about it, some secret, I was worried I may catch something from it, then woke tomorrow with a rash, ideas being contagious you know
No, it just governs your life.
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
Portraying nature as an entity that is trying to restore a natural order of things is as silly as attributing some mystical manifest destiny of humans over nature because of our intelligence and our technologies that has lowered the death rate, increased our lifespan and expanded the economy at the expense of nature. Neither extreme are very enlightening.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Having studied the facts of it for most of my life, I do not fantasise it, but admire it for what it is. If you prefer, nature it is the basis of evolution.
fair enough, just sensed the idea (of nature) may have had something undefined about it, some secret, I was worried I may catch something from it, then woke tomorrow with a rash, ideas being contagious you know
No, it just governs your life.
yeah I suppose, depends how you see all the accidents, the trillions of billions of accidents, the uncountable accidents, if you’d call that governed
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:Gives MV’s irony detector a little nudge.
OK?
IDGI
It’s the actor who played Nudge on the TV series ‘Hey Dad’.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
OK?
IDGI
It’s the actor who played Nudge on the TV series ‘Hey Dad’.
that was so far left of field it threw me.. he didn’t look like that in that terrible show.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
Portraying nature as an entity that is trying to restore a natural order of things is as silly as attributing some mystical manifest destiny of humans over nature because of our intelligence and our technologies that has lowered the death rate, increased our lifespan and expanded the economy at the expense of nature. Neither extreme are very enlightening.
Nature simply does not care. Too much of something, in this case humans, will create unbalances in nature, often resulting with lack of food or an influx of predators, until the situation either stabilises, the problem organism dies out, or become so few in number that the predators either starve of move on. It is a natural system, it does not need guidance, it works on its own according to the problem.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
OK?
IDGI
It’s the actor who played Nudge on the TV series ‘Hey Dad’.
No wonder I had no idea. I never watched that series.
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:fair enough, just sensed the idea (of nature) may have had something undefined about it, some secret, I was worried I may catch something from it, then woke tomorrow with a rash, ideas being contagious you know
No, it just governs your life.
yeah I suppose, depends how you see all the accidents, the trillions of billions of accidents, the uncountable accidents, if you’d call that governed
Accidents in nature do not matter, but if a mutation eventuated that changes the stability of the environment, then the rules of nature apply.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:IDGI
It’s the actor who played Nudge on the TV series ‘Hey Dad’.
No wonder I had no idea. I never watched that series.
really haven’t needed to. it has been used here a few times in this context.
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:It’s the actor who played Nudge on the TV series ‘Hey Dad’.
No wonder I had no idea. I never watched that series.
really haven’t needed to. it has been used here a few times in this context.
Never noticed that either, IIRC.
;)
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:No wonder I had no idea. I never watched that series.
really haven’t needed to. it has been used here a few times in this context.
Never noticed that either, IIRC.
;)
what he means is that he’s used it here a few times in that context.. Sheb’s probably remembers it
Arts said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:really haven’t needed to. it has been used here a few times in this context.
Never noticed that either, IIRC.
;)
what he means is that he’s used it here a few times in that context.. Sheb’s probably remembers it
Sibeen remembers all my jokes. probably has a list.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
But you must admire the cleverness of our situation. A virus that kills and is very contagious thereby restricting movement to a minimum, which in turn affects the world’s economy that will kill us in a very different way. If a cheap, easy to produce vaccine is not found within 12 months there will be so many desperate people in all countries trying to survive that if we can live through the lawlessness, warfare is inevitable as more desperate people try to take over resources of those slightly better off. What more effective way of controlling the human population could be envisaged, considering all the ingenious ways nature has unsuccessfully tried in the past. You have got to admire nature, it will always work in the end.
Portraying nature as an entity that is trying to restore a natural order of things is as silly as attributing some mystical manifest destiny of humans over nature because of our intelligence and our technologies that has lowered the death rate, increased our lifespan and expanded the economy at the expense of nature. Neither extreme are very enlightening.
Nature simply does not care. Too much of something, in this case humans, will create unbalances in nature, often resulting with lack of food or an influx of predators, until the situation either stabilises, the problem organism dies out, or become so few in number that the predators either starve of move on. It is a natural system, it does not need guidance, it works on its own according to the problem.
dunno, what’s it correct from, instabilities probably, doubt it has a sweet spot, where everything communicates perfect harmony, be an asteroid or comet along at some point, a big wrecking ball, nature you know, it’s about balance
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Portraying nature as an entity that is trying to restore a natural order of things is as silly as attributing some mystical manifest destiny of humans over nature because of our intelligence and our technologies that has lowered the death rate, increased our lifespan and expanded the economy at the expense of nature. Neither extreme are very enlightening.
Nature simply does not care. Too much of something, in this case humans, will create unbalances in nature, often resulting with lack of food or an influx of predators, until the situation either stabilises, the problem organism dies out, or become so few in number that the predators either starve of move on. It is a natural system, it does not need guidance, it works on its own according to the problem.
dunno, what’s it correct from, instabilities probably, doubt it has a sweet spot, where everything communicates perfect harmony, be an asteroid or comet along at some point, a big wrecking ball, nature you know, it’s about balance
No sweet spot, it doesn’t care. Natures rules are the rules for life or if you prefer death. We all must live by them, but when we don’t, it is never a pleasant outcome.
>……it doesn’t care. Natures rules are the rules for life”
the indifference of nature, external, is probably part of the concept of nature many people have, nothing new in that. Likely good part of human freedoms are courtesy most the universe being free of any intention, or design
next maybe it will be the rules of nature, and then nature rules, was a reader suppose to arrive at that?
there are different sorts of nature i’d guess, the idea refined
anyway, this banked up energy here locally, on earth, that’s by some accident expressed in replicators (energy conversion into new, apparently more complex structure), some structure with self-ordering properties, you and me included, is that a different sort of nature? I’m not buying into the universality of the same nature everywhere
quote=Rule 303
> This is still doing the rounds (without the ‘Debunked’ stamp) of the electric internets:
Some hepatitis is caused by a coronavirus. Despite what wikipedia says. The first identified coronavirus was found to be the cause of hepatitis in mice.
Measles, as I pointed out, has a virus shape very similar to that of coronavirus, up to and including the three-fold symmetry of the spikes. The polio virus is not that dissimilar. And coronaviruses have been implicated in a large number of common colds.
What that means in practical terms is that a vaccines against hepatitis, measles, common cold and polio have a fighting chance of inducing resistance against Covid-19.
Now, whereas it is absolutely true that PCR tests (which are slow and thorough) can easily distinguish between all these, a badly designed antibody test (ie a rapid blood test) may not. Going right back to 1961, it was found then that antibodies against a hepatitis virus reacted when exposed to human respiratory coronavirus. Approved antibody tests can distinguish between them, obviously, but only a small percentage of available antibody tests on the market have been approved.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Nature simply does not care. Too much of something, in this case humans, will create unbalances in nature, often resulting with lack of food or an influx of predators, until the situation either stabilises, the problem organism dies out, or become so few in number that the predators either starve of move on. It is a natural system, it does not need guidance, it works on its own according to the problem.
dunno, what’s it correct from, instabilities probably, doubt it has a sweet spot, where everything communicates perfect harmony, be an asteroid or comet along at some point, a big wrecking ball, nature you know, it’s about balance
No sweet spot, it doesn’t care. Natures rules are the rules for life or if you prefer death. We all must live by them, but when we don’t, it is never a pleasant outcome.
Exactly it doesn’t care. Whether we exploit the Earth or live in bucolic splendor with nature makes no difference in the end. Attributing some karmic consequence to human existence is the exact opposite of nature’s indifference. We are just another animal in the end.
exceptionalism
mollwollfumble said:
quote=Rule 303
> This is still doing the rounds (without the ‘Debunked’ stamp) of the electric internets:
Some hepatitis is caused by a coronavirus. Despite what wikipedia says. The first identified coronavirus was found to be the cause of hepatitis in mice.
Measles, as I pointed out, has a virus shape very similar to that of coronavirus, up to and including the three-fold symmetry of the spikes. The polio virus is not that dissimilar. And coronaviruses have been implicated in a large number of common colds.
What that means in practical terms is that a vaccines against hepatitis, measles, common cold and polio have a fighting chance of inducing resistance against Covid-19.
Now, whereas it is absolutely true that PCR tests (which are slow and thorough) can easily distinguish between all these, a badly designed antibody test (ie a rapid blood test) may not. Going right back to 1961, it was found then that antibodies against a hepatitis virus reacted when exposed to human respiratory coronavirus. Approved antibody tests can distinguish between them, obviously, but only a small percentage of available antibody tests on the market have been approved.
Interesting. Thanks mate.
transition said:
>……it doesn’t care. Natures rules are the rules for life”the indifference of nature, external, is probably part of the concept of nature many people have, nothing new in that. Likely good part of human freedoms are courtesy most the universe being free of any intention, or design
next maybe it will be the rules of nature, and then nature rules, was a reader suppose to arrive at that?
there are different sorts of nature i’d guess, the idea refined
anyway, this banked up energy here locally, on earth, that’s by some accident expressed in replicators (energy conversion into new, apparently more complex structure), some structure with self-ordering properties, you and me included, is that a different sort of nature? I’m not buying into the universality of the same nature everywhere
I really don’t understand why you are having so much difficulty in coming to terms with what nature is. You seem to want to read so much into things. Nature is simple and everything except humanity understands it. There are rules to survive regardless of who or what you are. Food, moisture, shelter and the ability to reproduce. If you disregard and treat any with contempt, you and your people will not last long.
Our intelligence has permitted up to avoid the consequence of our activities, and we now we consider ourselves above nature. Medical science has sheltered us from most diseases to date, plus fortunately the contagious ones have been easy to identify in their early stages and so we could erect protective measures against them, plus our economies were based locally in the past, but are now international thus making it a completely new ball game.
You seem to regard nature as the key, but it is us who have broken the its basic rules of survival (over-population), and as our way of life is now so dependent upon our economic well being, it is what now stops us escaping natures rules (unless) we can develop an effective, cheap and easy to produce vaccine, so unless you want to see our civilisation go down the tube, you had better hope that they do. I am not talking wild speculation, I am talking facts.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:dunno, what’s it correct from, instabilities probably, doubt it has a sweet spot, where everything communicates perfect harmony, be an asteroid or comet along at some point, a big wrecking ball, nature you know, it’s about balance
No sweet spot, it doesn’t care. Natures rules are the rules for life or if you prefer death. We all must live by them, but when we don’t, it is never a pleasant outcome.
Exactly it doesn’t care. Whether we exploit the Earth or live in bucolic splendor with nature makes no difference in the end. Attributing some karmic consequence to human existence is the exact opposite of nature’s indifference. We are just another animal in the end.
But, but, but, we have broken natures simple rules and our economy now ties our dependence to them. It is checkmate!
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
>……it doesn’t care. Natures rules are the rules for life”the indifference of nature, external, is probably part of the concept of nature many people have, nothing new in that. Likely good part of human freedoms are courtesy most the universe being free of any intention, or design
next maybe it will be the rules of nature, and then nature rules, was a reader suppose to arrive at that?
there are different sorts of nature i’d guess, the idea refined
anyway, this banked up energy here locally, on earth, that’s by some accident expressed in replicators (energy conversion into new, apparently more complex structure), some structure with self-ordering properties, you and me included, is that a different sort of nature? I’m not buying into the universality of the same nature everywhere
I really don’t understand why you are having so much difficulty in coming to terms with what nature is. You seem to want to read so much into things. Nature is simple and everything except humanity understands it. There are rules to survive regardless of who or what you are. Food, moisture, shelter and the ability to reproduce. If you disregard and treat any with contempt, you and your people will not last long.
Our intelligence has permitted up to avoid the consequence of our activities, and we now we consider ourselves above nature. Medical science has sheltered us from most diseases to date, plus fortunately the contagious ones have been easy to identify in their early stages and so we could erect protective measures against them, plus our economies were based locally in the past, but are now international thus making it a completely new ball game.
You seem to regard nature as the key, but it is us who have broken the its basic rules of survival (over-population), and as our way of life is now so dependent upon our economic well being, it is what now stops us escaping natures rules (unless) we can develop an effective, cheap and easy to produce vaccine, so unless you want to see our civilisation go down the tube, you had better hope that they do. I am not talking wild speculation, I am talking facts.
yeah probably possibly not, or otherwise, it’s late
i’m not sure, can’t be sure, but I may have sensed you see, or project a universality regard nature, conception that way, I don’t see it
that was all really
> I really don’t understand why you are having so much difficulty in coming to terms with what nature is. You seem to want to read so much into things. Nature is simple and everything except humanity understands it. There are rules to survive regardless of who or what you are. Food, moisture, shelter and the ability to reproduce. If you disregard and treat any with contempt, you and your people will not last long.
I’d never thought of it in that context. But perhaps the opposite is true, that those organisms that don’t isolate themselves from nature get destroyed by it? Perhaps that’s why humans are the only species on the planet where the dominant cause of death is old age?
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
>……it doesn’t care. Natures rules are the rules for life”the indifference of nature, external, is probably part of the concept of nature many people have, nothing new in that. Likely good part of human freedoms are courtesy most the universe being free of any intention, or design
next maybe it will be the rules of nature, and then nature rules, was a reader suppose to arrive at that?
there are different sorts of nature i’d guess, the idea refined
anyway, this banked up energy here locally, on earth, that’s by some accident expressed in replicators (energy conversion into new, apparently more complex structure), some structure with self-ordering properties, you and me included, is that a different sort of nature? I’m not buying into the universality of the same nature everywhere
I really don’t understand why you are having so much difficulty in coming to terms with what nature is. You seem to want to read so much into things. Nature is simple and everything except humanity understands it. There are rules to survive regardless of who or what you are. Food, moisture, shelter and the ability to reproduce. If you disregard and treat any with contempt, you and your people will not last long.
Our intelligence has permitted up to avoid the consequence of our activities, and we now we consider ourselves above nature. Medical science has sheltered us from most diseases to date, plus fortunately the contagious ones have been easy to identify in their early stages and so we could erect protective measures against them, plus our economies were based locally in the past, but are now international thus making it a completely new ball game.
You seem to regard nature as the key, but it is us who have broken the its basic rules of survival (over-population), and as our way of life is now so dependent upon our economic well being, it is what now stops us escaping natures rules (unless) we can develop an effective, cheap and easy to produce vaccine, so unless you want to see our civilisation go down the tube, you had better hope that they do. I am not talking wild speculation, I am talking facts.
yeah probably possibly not, or otherwise, it’s late
i’m not sure, can’t be sure, but I may have sensed you see, or project a universality regard nature, conception that way, I don’t see it
that was all really
Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:I really don’t understand why you are having so much difficulty in coming to terms with what nature is. You seem to want to read so much into things. Nature is simple and everything except humanity understands it. There are rules to survive regardless of who or what you are. Food, moisture, shelter and the ability to reproduce. If you disregard and treat any with contempt, you and your people will not last long.
Our intelligence has permitted up to avoid the consequence of our activities, and we now we consider ourselves above nature. Medical science has sheltered us from most diseases to date, plus fortunately the contagious ones have been easy to identify in their early stages and so we could erect protective measures against them, plus our economies were based locally in the past, but are now international thus making it a completely new ball game.
You seem to regard nature as the key, but it is us who have broken the its basic rules of survival (over-population), and as our way of life is now so dependent upon our economic well being, it is what now stops us escaping natures rules (unless) we can develop an effective, cheap and easy to produce vaccine, so unless you want to see our civilisation go down the tube, you had better hope that they do. I am not talking wild speculation, I am talking facts.
yeah probably possibly not, or otherwise, it’s late
i’m not sure, can’t be sure, but I may have sensed you see, or project a universality regard nature, conception that way, I don’t see it
that was all really
Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
Covid-19 “might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event”
OMG. LOL PMSL.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:yeah probably possibly not, or otherwise, it’s late
i’m not sure, can’t be sure, but I may have sensed you see, or project a universality regard nature, conception that way, I don’t see it
that was all really
Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
Covid-19 “might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event”
OMG. LOL PMSL.
Well if you think about it, it might not only be humanities only hope, but life on this planet generally. I think you need to read more of what has been written and not disregard the economic problem, which will be the ultimate destructive mechanism. You are not going to understand by just cherry-picking what you like and disregarding the rest, Covid-19 and the Economy will effect change together.
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
Covid-19 “might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event”
OMG. LOL PMSL.
Well if you think about it, it might not only be humanities only hope, but life on this planet generally. I think you need to read more of what has been written and not disregard the economic problem, which will be the ultimate destructive mechanism. You are not going to understand by just cherry-picking what you like and disregarding the rest, Covid-19 and the Economy will effect change together.
OK. I totally agree that an economic catastrophe is the number one threat to humanity.
As for whether an economic catastrophe is good or bad for nature, it depends on how many endangered species are eaten into extinction by the starving humans.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:Covid-19 “might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event”
OMG. LOL PMSL.
Well if you think about it, it might not only be humanities only hope, but life on this planet generally. I think you need to read more of what has been written and not disregard the economic problem, which will be the ultimate destructive mechanism. You are not going to understand by just cherry-picking what you like and disregarding the rest, Covid-19 and the Economy will effect change together.
OK. I totally agree that an economic catastrophe is the number one threat to humanity.
As for whether an economic catastrophe is good or bad for nature, it depends on how many endangered species are eaten into extinction by the starving humans.
There will be extinctions regardless of what happens. There is a very large difference in a few dozen endangered species, when compared to the millions that will be affected by global warming. Humanity has been trying to consume or otherwise exploit everything for a very long time, of which a quick resolution of our numbers might avoid complete environmental destruction.
“economic catastrophe is the number one threat to humanity”
in blunt as fk honesty we think that is a load of absolute bs and suggest it’s as factitious an idea as the claim that transition to more-renewable energy sources will devastate economies in the first point
as in, it’s advanced by a bunch of privileged turds who benefit from the status quo and don’t want to see any changes lest they become relatively slightly worse off
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/fears-grow-for-residents-in-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12380574
It’s almost as if going for disease elimination-eradication and achieving it is the best strategy for attaining
except apparently nobody told them that at the start, during the outbreak, or even now!
SCIENCE said:
“economic catastrophe is the number one threat to humanity”in blunt as fk honesty we think that is a load of absolute bs and suggest it’s as factitious an idea as the claim that transition to more-renewable energy sources will devastate economies in the first point
as in, it’s advanced by a bunch of privileged turds who benefit from the status quo and don’t want to see any changes lest they become relatively slightly worse off
and you didn’t even have to appply science to reach this conclusion.
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:Well if you think about it, it might not only be humanities only hope, but life on this planet generally. I think you need to read more of what has been written and not disregard the economic problem, which will be the ultimate destructive mechanism. You are not going to understand by just cherry-picking what you like and disregarding the rest, Covid-19 and the Economy will effect change together.
OK. I totally agree that an economic catastrophe is the number one threat to humanity.
As for whether an economic catastrophe is good or bad for nature, it depends on how many endangered species are eaten into extinction by the starving humans.
There will be extinctions regardless of what happens. There is a very large difference in a few dozen endangered species, when compared to the millions that will be affected by global warming. Humanity has been trying to consume or otherwise exploit everything for a very long time, of which a quick resolution of our numbers might avoid complete environmental destruction.
The day draws nigh.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:I really don’t understand why you are having so much difficulty in coming to terms with what nature is. You seem to want to read so much into things. Nature is simple and everything except humanity understands it. There are rules to survive regardless of who or what you are. Food, moisture, shelter and the ability to reproduce. If you disregard and treat any with contempt, you and your people will not last long.
Our intelligence has permitted up to avoid the consequence of our activities, and we now we consider ourselves above nature. Medical science has sheltered us from most diseases to date, plus fortunately the contagious ones have been easy to identify in their early stages and so we could erect protective measures against them, plus our economies were based locally in the past, but are now international thus making it a completely new ball game.
You seem to regard nature as the key, but it is us who have broken the its basic rules of survival (over-population), and as our way of life is now so dependent upon our economic well being, it is what now stops us escaping natures rules (unless) we can develop an effective, cheap and easy to produce vaccine, so unless you want to see our civilisation go down the tube, you had better hope that they do. I am not talking wild speculation, I am talking facts.
yeah probably possibly not, or otherwise, it’s late
i’m not sure, can’t be sure, but I may have sensed you see, or project a universality regard nature, conception that way, I don’t see it
that was all really
Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
you got a bit incontinent with us in that above, others here do it with we, is that an indication of a thought disorder or what, perhaps a willful expression of, making good the madness of half a brain, I probably do it in other ways (humor that is, the entire sentence)
i’m still left thinking you’re using nature to generalize across too much, it’s like a secret you have, that’s even being kept from your self, like you’ve hidden the biscuits, forgotten where they are, you’ve lost them (i’m having trouble taking anything seriously this morning)
anyway, there are different natures, like self-aware conscious creatures are a different sort of nature, for example, to make my point
replicators are a different sort of nature, for example
SCIENCE said:
Fear and frustration for residents and business owners in Melbourne’s coronavirus hotspots
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/fears-grow-for-residents-in-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12380574
It’s almost as if going for disease elimination-eradication and achieving it is the best strategy for attaining
- economic freedom
- mental wellbeing
- physical health
- political stability
- international respect
except apparently nobody told them that at the start, during the outbreak, or even now!
“I call on all organisations not to interact with citizens from Melbourne at this stage,” Ms Berejiklian said.
She backed accommodation owners and operators taking it upon themselves to bar Melbourne travellers, reiterating that vendors are “at liberty to accept or reject any traveller”.
“I would definitely encourage organisations to consider who to allow on their premises and where they’re coming from,” she said.
Victorian authorities are anticipating school holidays, which begin from this weekend, will also see increased movement of people.
Ms Berejiklian also said Australian workers should “absolutely” not be engaging with business-related travel to and from Melbourne at this time.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said he was not “interested in having a debate with Premier Berejiklian through the media”.
Should be noted that deaths have continued to decline, now down to around 4500 per week.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Fear and frustration for residents and business owners in Melbourne’s coronavirus hotspots
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/fears-grow-for-residents-in-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12380574
It’s almost as if going for disease elimination-eradication and achieving it is the best strategy for attaining
- economic freedom
- mental wellbeing
- physical health
- political stability
- international respect
except apparently nobody told them that at the start, during the outbreak, or even now!
States previously without border closures consider in-principle restrictions that resemble, but are not called, border closures
“I call on all organisations not to interact with citizens from Melbourne at this stage,” Ms Berejiklian said.
She backed accommodation owners and operators taking it upon themselves to bar Melbourne travellers, reiterating that vendors are “at liberty to accept or reject any traveller”.
“I would definitely encourage organisations to consider who to allow on their premises and where they’re coming from,” she said.
Victorian authorities are anticipating school holidays, which begin from this weekend, will also see increased movement of people.
Ms Berejiklian also said Australian workers should “absolutely” not be engaging with business-related travel to and from Melbourne at this time.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said he was not “interested in having a debate with Premier Berejiklian through the media”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/social-distancing-measures-to-be-reduced-in-south-australia/12383172
South Australia’s border with Victoria will be bolstered with a stronger police presence from next week
Government today said that, despite plans to further ease social distancing measures within the state from next week, extra police would be sent to border checkpoints in the east.
Marshall said anyone wanting to travel into South Australia from Victoria would need to go through a pre-approval process.
“We will maintain our very strong border policy, in particular with relation to the border with Victoria,” Mr Marshall said.
dv said:
Should be noted that deaths have continued to decline, now down to around 4500 per week.
as well as the fact that there’s generally been a 1 week to 1 month lag no ¿
dv said:
Should be noted that deaths have continued to decline, now down to around 4500 per week.
Presumably that will change pretty soon.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Should be noted that deaths have continued to decline, now down to around 4500 per week.
as well as the fact that there’s generally been a 1 week to 1 month lag no ¿
Always good to know that your thoughts are supported by real SCIENCE.
It’s just a little ‘flu’ that kills a few oldies.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/four-corners-newmarch-house-coronavirus-australia/12345726?nw=0
A nursing home in Western Sydney became the second-deadliest COVID-19 cluster in Australia. It accounts for almost a fifth of all deaths from coronavirus nationally. Over 40 days, Four Corners investigated the outbreak and followed the families who now want answers. Did authorities fail to protect our most vulnerable?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/more-trump-staffers-test-positive-to-coronavirus-us/12383160
Two more staff members of US President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa have tested positive for coronavirus, his campaign team say.
Mr Trump said on Monday that the US had done “too good a job” at testing for coronavirus cases, even after his staff insisted the President’s earlier rally comments to “slow the testing down, please” were meant in jest.
More than 120,000 people with COVID-19 in the US have died. The next closest nation is Brazil, with 50,600 deaths.
The US is seeing unsettling trends in several benchmarks, including the percentage of tests that prove positive for the virus.
“It is a failing. Let’s admit it,” Dr Fauci said in March.
Mr Trump opened a new front his fight against mail-in voting by making unsubstantiated assertions that foreign countries would print up millions of bogus ballots to rig the results.
we know West Taiwan are probably lying through their spike proteins about it all but isn’t this article a little … behind … the curve ¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/beijing-residents-worried-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-china/12381172
Posted 2h ago
(authorities claimed they had things under control … perhaps like New South China and Chairman Dan ¿)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/apple-wwdc-2020-ios-14-digital-key-and-hand-washing-arm-chips/12383124
Apple has revealed big software changes at its annual developers’ convention overnight, with novel ideas such as a digital car key and a handwashing timer on your watch standing out.
There are suggestions that another avenue this endless marketing will take, is in recommending b-hCG testing and new larger-sized clothes if users have an Apple device around during other discretionary activities.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/borna-coric-positive-covid-19-grigor-dimitrov-nick-kyrgios-novak/12382844
Aussie tennis star Nick Kyrgios has labelled the decision to go ahead with a tournament hosted by Novak Djokovic “boneheaded” after more players are revealed to have tested positive for COVID-19.
Nick Kyrgios on Twitter mocked Novak Djokovic for a lack of “leadership”
Serbian media reported Viktor Troicki tested positive, while coaches for Djokovic and Dimitrov also reportedly contracted the virus
In other news, yet another testicular cancer survivor won the Tour de France.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/sydney-news-morning-briefing-tuesday-june-23/12381702
Sydney Zoo says the results of a post-mortem examination on a giraffe that died unexpectedly on the weekend might take up to three weeks. This is the same length of time as covers virtually all COVID-19 incubation periods. The three-year-old giraffe named Gigi died suddenly on Saturday night
A team from the University of Sydney is leading the post-mortem examination, with the results expected in mid-July.
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:yeah probably possibly not, or otherwise, it’s late
i’m not sure, can’t be sure, but I may have sensed you see, or project a universality regard nature, conception that way, I don’t see it
that was all really
Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
you got a bit incontinent with us in that above, others here do it with we, is that an indication of a thought disorder or what, perhaps a willful expression of, making good the madness of half a brain, I probably do it in other ways (humor that is, the entire sentence)
i’m still left thinking you’re using nature to generalize across too much, it’s like a secret you have, that’s even being kept from your self, like you’ve hidden the biscuits, forgotten where they are, you’ve lost them (i’m having trouble taking anything seriously this morning)
anyway, there are different natures, like self-aware conscious creatures are a different sort of nature, for example, to make my point
replicators are a different sort of nature, for example
Trans, you seem to have an obsession with individual words down to their most minute level of understanding, yet overlook the subject of what is being described by the inclusion of many other words. If you cannot grasp the gist of what I am trying to say then perhaps it is your perception that is at fault.
Your equally weird obsession with the use of the words “we” and “us” is another example of your lack of perception of the larger picture. When people are discussing global problems that affect almost everyone, these words are not only commonly used, but are the right words to use, although I feel sure there are others too.
Examination of the minuscule is all well and good, but don’t forget the minuscule is but a very small part of the big picture.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
you got a bit incontinent with us in that above, others here do it with we, is that an indication of a thought disorder or what, perhaps a willful expression of, making good the madness of half a brain, I probably do it in other ways (humor that is, the entire sentence)
i’m still left thinking you’re using nature to generalize across too much, it’s like a secret you have, that’s even being kept from your self, like you’ve hidden the biscuits, forgotten where they are, you’ve lost them (i’m having trouble taking anything seriously this morning)
anyway, there are different natures, like self-aware conscious creatures are a different sort of nature, for example, to make my point
replicators are a different sort of nature, for example
Trans, you seem to have an obsession with individual words down to their most minute level of understanding, yet overlook the subject of what is being described by the inclusion of many other words. If you cannot grasp the gist of what I am trying to say then perhaps it is your perception that is at fault.
Your equally weird obsession with the use of the words “we” and “us” is another example of your lack of perception of the larger picture. When people are discussing global problems that affect almost everyone, these words are not only commonly used, but are the right words to use, although I feel sure there are others too.
Examination of the minuscule is all well and good, but don’t forget the minuscule is but a very small part of the big picture.
Yet the big picture gains finer grain with the comprehension or enlightenment of every molecule.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
you got a bit incontinent with us in that above, others here do it with we, is that an indication of a thought disorder or what, perhaps a willful expression of, making good the madness of half a brain, I probably do it in other ways (humor that is, the entire sentence)
i’m still left thinking you’re using nature to generalize across too much, it’s like a secret you have, that’s even being kept from your self, like you’ve hidden the biscuits, forgotten where they are, you’ve lost them (i’m having trouble taking anything seriously this morning)
anyway, there are different natures, like self-aware conscious creatures are a different sort of nature, for example, to make my point
replicators are a different sort of nature, for example
Trans, you seem to have an obsession with individual words down to their most minute level of understanding, yet overlook the subject of what is being described by the inclusion of many other words. If you cannot grasp the gist of what I am trying to say then perhaps it is your perception that is at fault.
Your equally weird obsession with the use of the words “we” and “us” is another example of your lack of perception of the larger picture. When people are discussing global problems that affect almost everyone, these words are not only commonly used, but are the right words to use, although I feel sure there are others too.
Examination of the minuscule is all well and good, but don’t forget the minuscule is but a very small part of the big picture.
PF always with the wisdom
It’s interesting to note how some government responses are almost like scenarios from apocalypse stories, coverups, lies, incompetence, etc
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:you got a bit incontinent with us in that above, others here do it with we, is that an indication of a thought disorder or what, perhaps a willful expression of, making good the madness of half a brain, I probably do it in other ways (humor that is, the entire sentence)
i’m still left thinking you’re using nature to generalize across too much, it’s like a secret you have, that’s even being kept from your self, like you’ve hidden the biscuits, forgotten where they are, you’ve lost them (i’m having trouble taking anything seriously this morning)
anyway, there are different natures, like self-aware conscious creatures are a different sort of nature, for example, to make my point
replicators are a different sort of nature, for example
Trans, you seem to have an obsession with individual words down to their most minute level of understanding, yet overlook the subject of what is being described by the inclusion of many other words. If you cannot grasp the gist of what I am trying to say then perhaps it is your perception that is at fault.
Your equally weird obsession with the use of the words “we” and “us” is another example of your lack of perception of the larger picture. When people are discussing global problems that affect almost everyone, these words are not only commonly used, but are the right words to use, although I feel sure there are others too.
Examination of the minuscule is all well and good, but don’t forget the minuscule is but a very small part of the big picture.
Yet the big picture gains finer grain with the comprehension or enlightenment of every molecule.
Except a single word is not a molecule. They mean very little on their own and have no substance unless used with other words to add the meaning.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Well nature is the part that will us kill us via disease, whilst the economic affects will kill us in other ways, plus destroy our way of life. Covid-19 although unlikely to kill us all; it will stop us from effectively trading with each other to kill us by other means. Our way of life and our population in those circumstance will become impossible to sustain and most people will likely resort to crime and governments to war to hopefully survive.
Despite the likely carnage if a suitable vaccine cannot be developed. It might give life generally, and a much smaller us, the possibility of avoiding a mass extinction event, plus give survivors the chance to change their way of life into something more sustainable, where humanity might with its greatly reduced numbers, be able to halt climate change and otherwise reduce their impact on the environment.
I hope to last a while yet and hopefully see the direction of change. It might even turn out to be the salvation of earth’s inhabitants, if not for much of humanity.
you got a bit incontinent with us in that above, others here do it with we, is that an indication of a thought disorder or what, perhaps a willful expression of, making good the madness of half a brain, I probably do it in other ways (humor that is, the entire sentence)
i’m still left thinking you’re using nature to generalize across too much, it’s like a secret you have, that’s even being kept from your self, like you’ve hidden the biscuits, forgotten where they are, you’ve lost them (i’m having trouble taking anything seriously this morning)
anyway, there are different natures, like self-aware conscious creatures are a different sort of nature, for example, to make my point
replicators are a different sort of nature, for example
Trans, you seem to have an obsession with individual words down to their most minute level of understanding, yet overlook the subject of what is being described by the inclusion of many other words. If you cannot grasp the gist of what I am trying to say then perhaps it is your perception that is at fault.
Your equally weird obsession with the use of the words “we” and “us” is another example of your lack of perception of the larger picture. When people are discussing global problems that affect almost everyone, these words are not only commonly used, but are the right words to use, although I feel sure there are others too.
Examination of the minuscule is all well and good, but don’t forget the minuscule is but a very small part of the big picture.
yeah fair enough, the right words to use, the larger picture, problems with perception, I got all that
still I think there are different sorts of nature
what’s your view on that
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:you got a bit incontinent with us in that above, others here do it with we, is that an indication of a thought disorder or what, perhaps a willful expression of, making good the madness of half a brain, I probably do it in other ways (humor that is, the entire sentence)
i’m still left thinking you’re using nature to generalize across too much, it’s like a secret you have, that’s even being kept from your self, like you’ve hidden the biscuits, forgotten where they are, you’ve lost them (i’m having trouble taking anything seriously this morning)
anyway, there are different natures, like self-aware conscious creatures are a different sort of nature, for example, to make my point
replicators are a different sort of nature, for example
Trans, you seem to have an obsession with individual words down to their most minute level of understanding, yet overlook the subject of what is being described by the inclusion of many other words. If you cannot grasp the gist of what I am trying to say then perhaps it is your perception that is at fault.
Your equally weird obsession with the use of the words “we” and “us” is another example of your lack of perception of the larger picture. When people are discussing global problems that affect almost everyone, these words are not only commonly used, but are the right words to use, although I feel sure there are others too.
Examination of the minuscule is all well and good, but don’t forget the minuscule is but a very small part of the big picture.
yeah fair enough, the right words to use, the larger picture, problems with perception, I got all that
still I think there are different sorts of nature
what’s your view on that
>>Nature is very importance of humans have needed to survive and thrive, was provided by the natural world around us : food, water, medicine, materials, for shelter, and even natural cycles such us climate and nutrients . Nature is our sole supplier.<<
Cymek said:
It’s interesting to note how some government responses are almost like scenarios from apocalypse stories, coverups, lies, incompetence, etc
Well indeed it is unsurprising that people learn from fictional stories just as they may learn from factual ones.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Trans, you seem to have an obsession with individual words down to their most minute level of understanding, yet overlook the subject of what is being described by the inclusion of many other words. If you cannot grasp the gist of what I am trying to say then perhaps it is your perception that is at fault.
Your equally weird obsession with the use of the words “we” and “us” is another example of your lack of perception of the larger picture. When people are discussing global problems that affect almost everyone, these words are not only commonly used, but are the right words to use, although I feel sure there are others too.
Examination of the minuscule is all well and good, but don’t forget the minuscule is but a very small part of the big picture.
yeah fair enough, the right words to use, the larger picture, problems with perception, I got all that
still I think there are different sorts of nature
what’s your view on that
>>Nature is very importance of humans have needed to survive and thrive, was provided by the natural world around us : food, water, medicine, materials, for shelter, and even natural cycles such us climate and nutrients . Nature is our sole supplier.<<
If you want more detail:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
It’s interesting to note how some government responses are almost like scenarios from apocalypse stories, coverups, lies, incompetence, etc
Well indeed it is unsurprising that people learn from fictional stories just as they may learn from factual ones.
Part of the problem of The Two Cultures, one might even suggest.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
It’s interesting to note how some government responses are almost like scenarios from apocalypse stories, coverups, lies, incompetence, etc
Well indeed it is unsurprising that people learn from fictional stories just as they may learn from factual ones.
Part of the problem of The Two Cultures, one might even suggest.
I thought perhaps real life authority might be slightly more competent than ones from fiction were they are created that way for the plot.
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:yeah fair enough, the right words to use, the larger picture, problems with perception, I got all that
still I think there are different sorts of nature
what’s your view on that
>>Nature is very importance of humans have needed to survive and thrive, was provided by the natural world around us : food, water, medicine, materials, for shelter, and even natural cycles such us climate and nutrients . Nature is our sole supplier.<<
If you want more detail:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature
all good
i’ll put it another way
how useful is it to see nature, even on this one planet alone for the moment (including atmosphere etc), as being one singular nature, I mean you’re sort of considering it as a whole when you use the term (best I can understand), but I wonder if that’s a bit limited, perhaps even wrong-headed
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:Well indeed it is unsurprising that people learn from fictional stories just as they may learn from factual ones.
Part of the problem of The Two Cultures, one might even suggest.
I thought perhaps real life authority might be slightly more competent than ones from fiction were they are created that way for the plot.
Maybe but it’s worth remembering among the world uh leaders hm we have comedian, reality TV character, clown, marketing joker…
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:>>Nature is very importance of humans have needed to survive and thrive, was provided by the natural world around us : food, water, medicine, materials, for shelter, and even natural cycles such us climate and nutrients . Nature is our sole supplier.<<
If you want more detail:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature
all good
i’ll put it another way
how useful is it to see nature, even on this one planet alone for the moment (including atmosphere etc), as being one singular nature, I mean you’re sort of considering it as a whole when you use the term (best I can understand), but I wonder if that’s a bit limited, perhaps even wrong-headed
Trans, I have given you examples in my posts of what I think Nature is, I have also given you examples of what other people think Nature is. If you think we are at fault in some way then I cannot see it and will need you to supply evidence to the contrary.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:If you want more detail:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature
all good
i’ll put it another way
how useful is it to see nature, even on this one planet alone for the moment (including atmosphere etc), as being one singular nature, I mean you’re sort of considering it as a whole when you use the term (best I can understand), but I wonder if that’s a bit limited, perhaps even wrong-headed
Trans, I have given you examples in my posts of what I think Nature is, I have also given you examples of what other people think Nature is. If you think we are at fault in some way then I cannot see it and will need you to supply evidence to the contrary.
yeah don’t mind me, I can be a tedious..
wasn’t meaning to question anyone elses ideas of what it is, in fact doubt I did, but yours alone, asking you to clarify, but now you’ve multiplied suddenly like smith in the matrix or something
still I think it an interesting proposition, that there maybe more than one nature
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:all good
i’ll put it another way
how useful is it to see nature, even on this one planet alone for the moment (including atmosphere etc), as being one singular nature, I mean you’re sort of considering it as a whole when you use the term (best I can understand), but I wonder if that’s a bit limited, perhaps even wrong-headed
Trans, I have given you examples in my posts of what I think Nature is, I have also given you examples of what other people think Nature is. If you think we are at fault in some way then I cannot see it and will need you to supply evidence to the contrary.
yeah don’t mind me, I can be a tedious..
wasn’t meaning to question anyone elses ideas of what it is, in fact doubt I did, but yours alone, asking you to clarify, but now you’ve multiplied suddenly like smith in the matrix or something
still I think it an interesting proposition, that there maybe more than one nature
You might have to go to a parallel universe.
Come on people, did we not learn anything the first time??
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-second-wave-of-panic-buying-hits-melbourne/news-story/df2780c83cef2f40e55b0fd27092741f
Divine Angel said:
Come on people, did we not learn anything the first time??https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-second-wave-of-panic-buying-hits-melbourne/news-story/df2780c83cef2f40e55b0fd27092741f
Yeah, we learned if you don’t get in quick you are left with no loo-roll supplies.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
Come on people, did we not learn anything the first time??https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-second-wave-of-panic-buying-hits-melbourne/news-story/df2780c83cef2f40e55b0fd27092741f
Yeah, we learned if you don’t get in quick you are left with no loo-roll supplies.
^
Also, of course not. If we’d had any ability to learn and or be prepared then we wouldn’t have been in a fkn mask fiasco after bushfires before COVID-19 would we ¿
Divine Angel said:
Come on people, did we not learn anything the first time??https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-second-wave-of-panic-buying-hits-melbourne/news-story/df2780c83cef2f40e55b0fd27092741f
bring in quotas now.
Michael V said:
Unexpected side effect of COVID-19 lockdown in Delhi; more light gets to solar panels due to lower pollution levels:https://www.sciencealert.com/cleaner-air-from-coronavirus-lockdowns-is-making-solar-panels-more-efficient-in-highly-polluted-areas
well we always knew that was one of the ways the fossil fuel industry blocked renewable energy, literally
JudgeMental said:
Divine Angel said:
Come on people, did we not learn anything the first time??https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-second-wave-of-panic-buying-hits-melbourne/news-story/df2780c83cef2f40e55b0fd27092741f
bring in quotas now.
we still have about 100 rolls left over from… you guessed it, around September last year
We Ancients, We Knew
Apparently.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Unexpected side effect of COVID-19 lockdown in Delhi; more light gets to solar panels due to lower pollution levels:https://www.sciencealert.com/cleaner-air-from-coronavirus-lockdowns-is-making-solar-panels-more-efficient-in-highly-polluted-areas
well we always knew that was one of the ways the fossil fuel industry blocked renewable energy, literally
I didn’t. I’d never thought about it. Bleedingly obvious though.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Unexpected side effect of COVID-19 lockdown in Delhi; more light gets to solar panels due to lower pollution levels:https://www.sciencealert.com/cleaner-air-from-coronavirus-lockdowns-is-making-solar-panels-more-efficient-in-highly-polluted-areas
well we always knew that was one of the ways the fossil fuel industry blocked renewable energy, literally
I didn’t. I’d never thought about it. Bleedingly obvious though.
Yes more like they didn’t want you to know about it because it would just be a stronger reason to transition more abruptly. But we digress!
ABC has an article about how people actually prefer to mix working from home and at the office. We agree — it seems reasonable to go in say 2 days a week.
PermeateFree said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:Trans, I have given you examples in my posts of what I think Nature is, I have also given you examples of what other people think Nature is. If you think we are at fault in some way then I cannot see it and will need you to supply evidence to the contrary.
yeah don’t mind me, I can be a tedious..
wasn’t meaning to question anyone elses ideas of what it is, in fact doubt I did, but yours alone, asking you to clarify, but now you’ve multiplied suddenly like smith in the matrix or something
still I think it an interesting proposition, that there maybe more than one nature
You might have to go to a parallel universe.
chuckle
what come out of it for me was the how an ‘overview’ of nature contributes to the force of ideas, doubt anyone much escapes it
there is more information available in modern times for such an overview than ever before, so much in fact a person may not have to try at all
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
transition said:yeah don’t mind me, I can be a tedious..
wasn’t meaning to question anyone elses ideas of what it is, in fact doubt I did, but yours alone, asking you to clarify, but now you’ve multiplied suddenly like smith in the matrix or something
still I think it an interesting proposition, that there maybe more than one nature
You might have to go to a parallel universe.
chuckle
what come out of it for me was the how an ‘overview’ of nature contributes to the force of ideas, doubt anyone much escapes it
there is more information available in modern times for such an overview than ever before, so much in fact a person may not have to try at all
>>what come out of it for me was the how an ‘overview’ of nature contributes to the force of ideas,<<
How about an example (my posts are readily available) because I haven’t a clue what you are on about.
People in France are being urged to go back to their places of work in a new easing of the coronavirus regulations following a “significant improvement in the health situation”.
The employment minister, Muriel Pénicaud, will announce a new protocol for employers and staff this week that calls for homeworking to stop being “the norm” as the daily death toll of Covid-19 in the country is reduced to low double figures.
Yesterday France had 373 new cases, that about equivalent 144 cases for us – SCORE! If that was happening here we’d be going apeshit but they’r being asked to go back to work, nothing to see here.
Arts said:
I wonder how the perfsser explains the excess deaths.
Arts said:
I mean I guess this is your point but … I mean they would all have died anyway
dv said:
Arts said:
I mean I guess this is your point but … I mean they would all have died anyway
yes, that is exactly what Harold Shipman said.
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:
I mean I guess this is your point but … I mean they would all have died anyway
yes, that is exactly what Harold Shipman said.
I mean literally everyone. Every person who ever died of anything would have died anyway. Human mortality remains locked on 100%.
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:I mean I guess this is your point but … I mean they would all have died anyway
yes, that is exactly what Harold Shipman said.
I mean literally everyone. Every person who ever died of anything would have died anyway. Human mortality remains locked on 100%.
So we can gut the NHS now?
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:I mean I guess this is your point but … I mean they would all have died anyway
yes, that is exactly what Harold Shipman said.
I mean literally everyone. Every person who ever died of anything would have died anyway. Human mortality remains locked on 100%.
I agree, but the tweet is about the covid numbers being inflated because the people who were most affected, eg the elderly, would have died soon (or in the Covid period) anyway.
What about black lives, they’re going to end anyway, so stop protesting and go back to social distancing, thanks for playing.
Arts said:
The usual interpretation is that the Covid deaths are way under-reported. Fairly lame counter-argument from a desperate backer of the BoJo Circus.
Anyway, we shall see, when this is all over maybe there’ll be a mortality deficit because COVID-19 solved the old peeps problem.
Or maybe there won’t because after fucking killing all their healthcare workers and fucking up their economy (apparently that costs lives too) their life expectancy will probably be… fucked.
Novak Djokovic tests positive for Covid-19
Fuck knows how that happened. I mean surely holding a sporting tournament in Europe is OK?
party_pants said:
Arts said:
The usual interpretation is that the Covid deaths are way under-reported. Fairly lame counter-argument from a desperate backer of the BoJo Circus.
best way to get the numbers is to compare with the mortality rates for whatever time of year, previous years, for similar period, for whatever region, make some adjustments
there’s morbidity that persists in some people, after covid-19 infection, related the infection, which is probably significant for considering the risks of infection
sibeen said:
Novak Djokovic tests positive for Covid-19Fuck knows how that happened. I mean surely holding a sporting tournament in Europe is OK?
It’s a f’n black swan, for sure.
sibeen said:
Novak Djokovic tests positive for Covid-19Fuck knows how that happened. I mean surely holding a sporting tournament in Europe is OK?
“Boneheaded”
Oh, and 5 members of Trump’s campaign team who were present at the rally last weekend have tested positive too.
party_pants said:
Oh, and 5 members of Trump’s campaign team who were present at the rally last weekend have tested positive too.
Rallies and protests are OK AFAIK, I read so in the Guardian.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
Novak Djokovic tests positive for Covid-19Fuck knows how that happened. I mean surely holding a sporting tournament in Europe is OK?
It’s a f’n black swan, for sure.
do black swans matter
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Oh, and 5 members of Trump’s campaign team who were present at the rally last weekend have tested positive too.Rallies and protests are OK AFAIK, I read so in the Guardian.
Update: 8
https://people.com/politics/trump-campaign-now-reports-8-staff-members-tested-positive-for-covid-19-since-saturdays-rally/
Eight Trump campaign staffers and two Secret Service agents at Saturday’s rally have now tested positive for the novel coronavirus
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Arts said:yes, that is exactly what Harold Shipman said.
I mean literally everyone. Every person who ever died of anything would have died anyway. Human mortality remains locked on 100%.
So we can gut the NHS now?
They are way ahead of you
exceptional
dv said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Oh, and 5 members of Trump’s campaign team who were present at the rally last weekend have tested positive too.Rallies and protests are OK AFAIK, I read so in the Guardian.
Update: 8
https://people.com/politics/trump-campaign-now-reports-8-staff-members-tested-positive-for-covid-19-since-saturdays-rally/
Eight Trump campaign staffers and two Secret Service agents at Saturday’s rally have now tested positive for the novel coronavirus
Sorry for being so slow and behind the time… :\
Regardez cette foule d’amateurs de partage romantique à Paris.
https://www.bfmtv.com/societe/une-immense-foule-reunie-dans-une-rue-parisienne-pour-la-fete-de-la-musique_VN-202006210129.html
Seien sie erstaunt über dieses Video, in dem Deutsche feiern.
https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/2020/coronavirus/beitraege_neu/2020/06/berlin-neukoelln-hasenheide-illegale-party-park.html
SCIENCE said:
Regardez cette foule d’amateurs de partage romantique à Paris.https://www.bfmtv.com/societe/une-immense-foule-reunie-dans-une-rue-parisienne-pour-la-fete-de-la-musique_VN-202006210129.html
Coronavirus ? Pfft. C’est une maladie anglaise, rien pour faire avec nous.
Apparently it is a good idea to avoid private security cameras.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/security-cameras-hacked-streamed-on-russian-website/12380606
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/us/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
Fauci, Redfield testify: No state has transitioned appropriately from lockdown
Two small(external link) studies(external link) published recently suggested most men hospitalised with COVID-19 are bald, generating headlines(external link) around the world.
While this may sound strange, science does offer a plausible explanation.
Male pattern baldness is associated with high levels of male sex hormones called androgens.
And androgens seem to play an important role in the entry of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, into cells.
——————————
Ooohhh
Peak Warming Man said:
Two small(external link) studies(external link) published recently suggested most men hospitalised with COVID-19 are bald, generating headlines(external link) around the world.
While this may sound strange, science does offer a plausible explanation.
Male pattern baldness is associated with high levels of male sex hormones called androgens.
And androgens seem to play an important role in the entry of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, into cells.
——————————Ooohhh
I don’t know, isn’t there some correlation between male baldness and old age as well?
Peak Warming Man said:
Two small(external link) studies(external link) published recently suggested most men hospitalised with COVID-19 are bald, generating headlines(external link) around the world.
While this may sound strange, science does offer a plausible explanation.
Male pattern baldness is associated with high levels of male sex hormones called androgens.
And androgens seem to play an important role in the entry of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, into cells.
——————————Ooohhh
Physical distancing and regular hand washing (sanitising) will reduce your risk.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Two small(external link) studies(external link) published recently suggested most men hospitalised with COVID-19 are bald, generating headlines(external link) around the world.
While this may sound strange, science does offer a plausible explanation.
Male pattern baldness is associated with high levels of male sex hormones called androgens.
And androgens seem to play an important role in the entry of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, into cells.
——————————Ooohhh
I don’t know, isn’t there some correlation between male baldness and old age as well?
Yeah but………………….look over there, shiny thing…………
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Two small(external link) studies(external link) published recently suggested most men hospitalised with COVID-19 are bald, generating headlines(external link) around the world.
While this may sound strange, science does offer a plausible explanation.
Male pattern baldness is associated with high levels of male sex hormones called androgens.
And androgens seem to play an important role in the entry of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, into cells.
——————————Ooohhh
I don’t know, isn’t there some correlation between male baldness and old age as well?
Yeah but………………….look over there, shiny thing…………
Yeah. A bald head.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t know, isn’t there some correlation between male baldness and old age as well?
Yeah but………………….look over there, shiny thing…………
Yeah. A bald head.
You get it from your mother apparently.
“Victoria’s coronavirus cases rise by 20 as the state’s reproduction number climbs to 2.5”
Give an inch, take a mile.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise-as-r0-reproduction-number-climbs/12386546
Michael V said:
“Victoria’s coronavirus cases rise by 20 as the state’s reproduction number climbs to 2.5”Give an inch, take a mile.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise-as-r0-reproduction-number-climbs/12386546
Families, eh?
“Pakistan’s tour of England still on track despite 10 players contracting coronavirus”
Smart – really smart. No, it’s not…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/ten-pakistan-players-have-coronavirus-england-tour-still-on/12386502
Michael V said:
“Pakistan’s tour of England still on track despite 10 players contracting coronavirus”Smart – really smart. No, it’s not…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/ten-pakistan-players-have-coronavirus-england-tour-still-on/12386502
And tennis tournaments.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
“Pakistan’s tour of England still on track despite 10 players contracting coronavirus”Smart – really smart. No, it’s not…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/ten-pakistan-players-have-coronavirus-england-tour-still-on/12386502
And tennis tournaments.
Nods.
Thank Novak for them. Again: just stupidity.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
“Pakistan’s tour of England still on track despite 10 players contracting coronavirus”Smart – really smart. No, it’s not…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/ten-pakistan-players-have-coronavirus-england-tour-still-on/12386502
And tennis tournaments.
Nods.
Thank Novak for them. Again: just stupidity.
and he would never be vaccinated anyway.
“On July 4, Johnson will remove the financial shackles and allow almost all aspects of the English economy to reopen.
The tabloids have dubbed it Britain’s very own “Independence Day”.
A Saturday where people can spend the morning at the hairdresser, sneak in a lunchtime pint at the pub, and then head out for an evening at the cinema.”
More abject stupidity.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/boris-johnson-coronavirus-gamble-reopen-uk-could-come-at-cost/12386412
The president told the meager audience who attended his rally in Tulsa on Saturday night that he gave an order to slow testing for coronavirus. Ever since, his staff have downplayed Trump’s claim by calling it a joke. But on Monday, the president himself refused to back down from the order and instead avoided the question put to him twice during an interview.
Trump says he wasn’t joking about testing slowdown: “I don’t kid”
A White House official argued to CBS News after the rally that Mr. Trump’s comments were “in jest,” and Vice President Mike Pence told the nation’s governors in a call Monday that the president was making a “passing observation.” White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said Sunday that Mr. Trump’s remarks were “tongue-in-cheek.” Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf told “Face the Nation” he knew of no directive from the president to slow down testing.
But when asked by CBS News’ Weijia Jiang on Tuesday if he was kidding when he made those remarks, Mr. Trump replied, “I don’t kid.”
While he praised the U.S. for conducting millions of tests, he said increased availability of tests is a “double-edged sword.”
—-
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-slow-down-testing-coronavirus-i-dont-kid/
Can you imagine working for this person? Digging him out of trouble would be a Sisyphean task.
dv said:
The president told the meager audience who attended his rally in Tulsa on Saturday night that he gave an order to slow testing for coronavirus. Ever since, his staff have downplayed Trump’s claim by calling it a joke. But on Monday, the president himself refused to back down from the order and instead avoided the question put to him twice during an interview.Trump says he wasn’t joking about testing slowdown: “I don’t kid”
A White House official argued to CBS News after the rally that Mr. Trump’s comments were “in jest,” and Vice President Mike Pence told the nation’s governors in a call Monday that the president was making a “passing observation.” White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said Sunday that Mr. Trump’s remarks were “tongue-in-cheek.” Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf told “Face the Nation” he knew of no directive from the president to slow down testing.
But when asked by CBS News’ Weijia Jiang on Tuesday if he was kidding when he made those remarks, Mr. Trump replied, “I don’t kid.”While he praised the U.S. for conducting millions of tests, he said increased availability of tests is a “double-edged sword.”
—-
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-slow-down-testing-coronavirus-i-dont-kid/Can you imagine working for this person? Digging him out of trouble would be a Sisyphean task.
But don’t you see, when he said “I don’t kid” he was kidding.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The president told the meager audience who attended his rally in Tulsa on Saturday night that he gave an order to slow testing for coronavirus. Ever since, his staff have downplayed Trump’s claim by calling it a joke. But on Monday, the president himself refused to back down from the order and instead avoided the question put to him twice during an interview.Trump says he wasn’t joking about testing slowdown: “I don’t kid”
A White House official argued to CBS News after the rally that Mr. Trump’s comments were “in jest,” and Vice President Mike Pence told the nation’s governors in a call Monday that the president was making a “passing observation.” White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said Sunday that Mr. Trump’s remarks were “tongue-in-cheek.” Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf told “Face the Nation” he knew of no directive from the president to slow down testing.
But when asked by CBS News’ Weijia Jiang on Tuesday if he was kidding when he made those remarks, Mr. Trump replied, “I don’t kid.”While he praised the U.S. for conducting millions of tests, he said increased availability of tests is a “double-edged sword.”
—-
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-slow-down-testing-coronavirus-i-dont-kid/Can you imagine working for this person? Digging him out of trouble would be a Sisyphean task.
But don’t you see, when he said “I don’t kid” he was kidding.
Ah, Words, What Meaning Don’t They Have
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Two small(external link) studies(external link) published recently suggested most men hospitalised with COVID-19 are bald, generating headlines(external link) around the world.
While this may sound strange, science does offer a plausible explanation.
Male pattern baldness is associated with high levels of male sex hormones called androgens.
And androgens seem to play an important role in the entry of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, into cells.
——————————Ooohhh
I don’t know, isn’t there some correlation between male baldness and old age as well?
and babies obviously
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/23/us/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.htmlFauci, Redfield testify: No state has transitioned appropriately from lockdown
but don’t worry, UK are lifting, we’ll all lift
Michael V said:
“On July 4, Johnson will remove the financial shackles and allow almost all aspects of the English economy to reopen.The tabloids have dubbed it Britain’s very own “Independence Day”.
A Saturday where people can spend the morning at the hairdresser, sneak in a lunchtime pint at the pub, and then head out for an evening at the cinema.”
More abject stupidity.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/boris-johnson-coronavirus-gamble-reopen-uk-could-come-at-cost/12386412
But see all the other countries, they are opening it all up, they have a raging COVID-19 problem and they don’t care, they’ll win and we won’t, open it back up.
roughbarked said:
Apparently it is a good idea to avoid private security cameras.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/security-cameras-hacked-streamed-on-russian-website/12380606
remember how HUAWEI were going to SELL all our SECRETS to CHINA ¿ so if we KNEW all this SHIT already LIKE THE ANCIENTS then HOW the FUCK did this even HAPPEN ¿Ç¿
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Apparently it is a good idea to avoid private security cameras.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/security-cameras-hacked-streamed-on-russian-website/12380606
remember how HUAWEI were going to SELL all our SECRETS to CHINA ¿ so if we KNEW all this SHIT already LIKE THE ANCIENTS then HOW the FUCK did this even HAPPEN ¿Ç¿
ummm…money?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Apparently it is a good idea to avoid private security cameras.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/security-cameras-hacked-streamed-on-russian-website/12380606
remember how HUAWEI were going to SELL all our SECRETS to CHINA ¿ so if we KNEW all this SHIT already LIKE THE ANCIENTS then HOW the FUCK did this even HAPPEN ¿Ç¿
ummm…money?
until Quantum Encryption (and even then not necessarily) the whole World Wide Internet Of Things was always going to be a huge security vortex and at this point we revise our predictions on the advent of networked autonomous vehicles — as with anything else, if you want to play it safe, you get a simpler technology that doesn’t connect
buffy said:
Michael V said:
“Victoria’s coronavirus cases rise by 20 as the state’s reproduction number climbs to 2.5”Give an inch, take a mile.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise-as-r0-reproduction-number-climbs/12386546
Families, eh?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370
Remember How Sweden Was Going To Win By Letting People Decide Who Suffers For Their Own Convenience ¿
(not the article says “defy” but the rules are … not there)
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:remember how HUAWEI were going to SELL all our SECRETS to CHINA ¿ so if we KNEW all this SHIT already LIKE THE ANCIENTS then HOW the FUCK did this even HAPPEN ¿Ç¿
ummm…money?
until Quantum Encryption (and even then not necessarily) the whole World Wide Internet Of Things was always going to be a huge security vortex and at this point we revise our predictions on the advent of networked autonomous vehicles — as with anything else, if you want to play it safe, you get a simpler technology that doesn’t connect
Especially when everyone leave the default password on everything. Doesn’t take much to “hack” something when the password is in the manual and the manual is available online…
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:ummm…money?
until Quantum Encryption (and even then not necessarily) the whole World Wide Internet Of Things was always going to be a huge security vortex and at this point we revise our predictions on the advent of networked autonomous vehicles — as with anything else, if you want to play it safe, you get a simpler technology that doesn’t connect
Especially when everyone leave the default password on everything. Doesn’t take much to “hack” something when the password is in the manual and the manual is available online…
Like the use of ‘Heil Hitler’ in ENIGMA messages helping Bletchly Park crack the daily cypher.
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:
SCIENCE said:until Quantum Encryption (and even then not necessarily) the whole World Wide Internet Of Things was always going to be a huge security vortex and at this point we revise our predictions on the advent of networked autonomous vehicles — as with anything else, if you want to play it safe, you get a simpler technology that doesn’t connect
Especially when everyone leave the default password on everything. Doesn’t take much to “hack” something when the password is in the manual and the manual is available online…
Like the use of ‘Heil Hitler’ in ENIGMA messages helping Bletchly Park crack the daily cypher.
and seig heil.
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:
SCIENCE said:until Quantum Encryption (and even then not necessarily) the whole World Wide Internet Of Things was always going to be a huge security vortex and at this point we revise our predictions on the advent of networked autonomous vehicles — as with anything else, if you want to play it safe, you get a simpler technology that doesn’t connect
Especially when everyone leave the default password on everything. Doesn’t take much to “hack” something when the password is in the manual and the manual is available online…
Like the use of ‘Heil Hitler’ in ENIGMA messages helping Bletchly Park crack the daily cypher.
Those crazy Germans…
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:
SCIENCE said:until Quantum Encryption (and even then not necessarily) the whole World Wide Internet Of Things was always going to be a huge security vortex and at this point we revise our predictions on the advent of networked autonomous vehicles — as with anything else, if you want to play it safe, you get a simpler technology that doesn’t connect
Especially when everyone leave the default password on everything. Doesn’t take much to “hack” something when the password is in the manual and the manual is available online…
Like the use of ‘Heil Hitler’ in ENIGMA messages helping Bletchly Park crack the daily cypher.
also resending the same message in the same code but with different errors.
“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”
https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php
sarahs mum said:
“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”
https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php
Right.
There have been 5 million recoveries and it would be good to know how many have been gravely debilitated
dv said:
sarahs mum said:“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”
https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php
Right.
There have been 5 million recoveries and it would be good to know how many have been gravely debilitated
The article contains some grim stories.
The look on mrs m’s face when she saw my new design for separate nose and mouth coronavirus face masks …
Oh wait, it’s the same as the look on your face right now.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”
https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php
Right.
There have been 5 million recoveries and it would be good to know how many have been gravely debilitated
The article contains some grim stories.
They are currently trialling another drug in the UK that may also help with recovery.
I heard it on the Beeb last night.
There are two hormone type thingies in the blood that are normally in balance but the covid virus latches onto one of them and hitchhikes into the cells, this depletes the balance which causes blood clots.
It was trialled years ago for heart disease but proved unsuccessful but they think it might be a very useful tool to fight covid.
Peak Warming Man said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Right.
There have been 5 million recoveries and it would be good to know how many have been gravely debilitated
The article contains some grim stories.
They are currently trialling another drug in the UK that may also help with recovery.
I heard it on the Beeb last night.
There are two hormone type thingies in the blood that are normally in balance but the covid virus latches onto one of them and hitchhikes into the cells, this depletes the balance which causes blood clots.
It was trialled years ago for heart disease but proved unsuccessful but they think it might be a very useful tool to fight covid.
Here’s hoping
mollwollfumble said:
The look on mrs m’s face when she saw my new design for separate nose and mouth coronavirus face masks …Oh wait, it’s the same as the look on your face right now.
Is that your granddad
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:
The look on mrs m’s face when she saw my new design for separate nose and mouth coronavirus face masks …Oh wait, it’s the same as the look on your face right now.
Is that your granddad
How long has that camera been stuck to your head?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-06-24/beijing-demands-covid-declaration-on-australian-food-products/12388770
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-06-24/beijing-demands-covid-declaration-on-australian-food-products/12388770
The request is not specific to Australia.
shrug
They are trying to protect their citizens, not a big issues.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-06-24/beijing-demands-covid-declaration-on-australian-food-products/12388770
that’s a bit of a misleading headline. Says it applies to other countries also, not just Australia.
(for once I read the article before commenting. I should do this more often)
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-06-24/beijing-demands-covid-declaration-on-australian-food-products/12388770
that’s a bit of a misleading headline. Says it applies to other countries also, not just Australia.
(for once I read the article before commenting. I should do this more often)
Yeah it is, as is the Just In precis. Not good Auntie.
“Australia now required to check food products for COVID-19 before entering China
Vic Country Hour / By Eden Hynninen
Australian producers sending food and edible agricultural products to China are now required to sign a declaration to prove the items are free from COVID-19, following an outbreak at a Beijing market.
Posted 54m ago / Updated 4m ago”
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-06-24/beijing-demands-covid-declaration-on-australian-food-products/12388770
The request is not specific to Australia.
shrug
They are trying to protect their citizens, not a big issues.
Any suggestion that Allens are removing the Teeth lollies because they’re offensive to Collingwood fans is obviously false and facetious.
dv said:
Mostly under control, it seems. Needs less testing.
;)
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mostly under control, it seems. Needs less testing.
;)
Needs a graph about who is in a health fund by state.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-06-24/beijing-demands-covid-declaration-on-australian-food-products/12388770
that’s a bit of a misleading headline. Says it applies to other countries also, not just Australia.
(for once I read the article before commenting. I should do this more often)
Yeah it is, as is the Just In precis. Not good Auntie.
“Australia now required to check food products for COVID-19 before entering China
Vic Country Hour / By Eden HynninenAustralian producers sending food and edible agricultural products to China are now required to sign a declaration to prove the items are free from COVID-19, following an outbreak at a Beijing market.
Posted 54m ago / Updated 4m ago”
honestly it seems it’s become a sick obsession of theirs of late, toeing the government line for fear of losing funding perhaps, but it’s been pretty astounding
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:that’s a bit of a misleading headline. Says it applies to other countries also, not just Australia.
(for once I read the article before commenting. I should do this more often)
Yeah it is, as is the Just In precis. Not good Auntie.
“Australia now required to check food products for COVID-19 before entering China
Vic Country Hour / By Eden HynninenAustralian producers sending food and edible agricultural products to China are now required to sign a declaration to prove the items are free from COVID-19, following an outbreak at a Beijing market.
Posted 54m ago / Updated 4m ago”
honestly it seems it’s become a sick obsession of theirs of late, toeing the government line for fear of losing funding perhaps, but it’s been pretty astounding
The lost the government funding anyway. $84M IIRC. 250 staff to go.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Yeah it is, as is the Just In precis. Not good Auntie.
“Australia now required to check food products for COVID-19 before entering China
Vic Country Hour / By Eden HynninenAustralian producers sending food and edible agricultural products to China are now required to sign a declaration to prove the items are free from COVID-19, following an outbreak at a Beijing market.
Posted 54m ago / Updated 4m ago”
honestly it seems it’s become a sick obsession of theirs of late, toeing the government line for fear of losing funding perhaps, but it’s been pretty astounding
The lost the government funding anyway. $84M IIRC. 250 staff to go.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/abc-announces-cuts-to-programming-and-jobs-funding/12384972
sad yes
Serious post for once, we put this to the brains trust because there’s something we aren’t quite understanding. Context first.
Victoria has requested logistical support from the Australian Defence Force and help from other states as it tries to tackle an increasing number of coronavirus infections in the community. Overnight the state recorded 20 new cases of COVID-19, following a week of increased community transmission that left health officials “worried”.
—
As they should be. Our concerns are as follows.
They mention “community transmission” and it really sounds like the recent outbreak is not dominated by the “known clusters” and “family gatherings”, there seem to be quite a few cases they’re investigating because it’s not clear where they’ve come from. We’ve had a brief poke around to try to get solid numbers but they don’t seem to be easy to find on VIC health sites.
Stepping back you’d expect that in places with hundreds of new cases, or thousands, even millions (we all know about that place), there’d be so much shit flying around that community (local source unknown) transmission is big Big BIG. That doesn’t seem to be the case in VIC.
Which means, WTF? Where are these cases coming from? Someone isn’t telling the full story — is it (1) ABC? (2) VIC health? (3) Patients and contacts? (4) Foreign powers exporting COVID-19? (5) COVID-19 itself?
At least for (4) and (5) above, that could well explain the need for an Australian Defence Force intervention ¿
remember when
¿ hey
SCIENCE said:
remember when
¿ hey
ROFL
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-nsw-lane-cove-west-public-school-shuts-after-student-virus-diagnosis/876492dd-797c-4ab3-99c5-193030db8498
you saw it here, we are saying it again, you do not get control easily until you do mass randomised screening, not just this “come and cough on us if you’re unwell” BS, you need to find the asymptomatic even if they spread slightly less than the asymptomatic, because behind every asymptomatic there is another 4 cases which obviously you haven’t traced if you’re getting these apparently spontaneous sporadic cases
SCIENCE said:
Serious post for once, we put this to the brains trust because there’s something we aren’t quite understanding. Context first.Victoria seeks coronavirus support from ADF, Commonwealth and other states
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victoria-requests-defence-force-help-for-coronavirus-testing/12388992Victoria has requested logistical support from the Australian Defence Force and help from other states as it tries to tackle an increasing number of coronavirus infections in the community. Overnight the state recorded 20 new cases of COVID-19, following a week of increased community transmission that left health officials “worried”.
—
As they should be. Our concerns are as follows.
They mention “community transmission” and it really sounds like the recent outbreak is not dominated by the “known clusters” and “family gatherings”, there seem to be quite a few cases they’re investigating because it’s not clear where they’ve come from. We’ve had a brief poke around to try to get solid numbers but they don’t seem to be easy to find on VIC health sites.
Stepping back you’d expect that in places with hundreds of new cases, or thousands, even millions (we all know about that place), there’d be so much shit flying around that community (local source unknown) transmission is big Big BIG. That doesn’t seem to be the case in VIC.
Which means, WTF? Where are these cases coming from? Someone isn’t telling the full story — is it (1) ABC? (2) VIC health? (3) Patients and contacts? (4) Foreign powers exporting COVID-19? (5) COVID-19 itself?
- We got some numbers from ABC news but they don’t seem to add up, which is what we’re talking about.
- Do the authorities know something they haven’t told us about? Waiting to be more certain before reporting? Concealing the outbreak like West Taiwan?
- If you got sick, or someone you know got sick, you wouldn’t want to reveal that you’d been to those illegal healthcare worker parties, or other dodgy gatherings now, would you?
- How do you explain sporadic spontaneous outbreaks occurring this late in a pandemic, without any clear warning (of course, it’s been building up, so may not be completely true)? There are any number of countries out there with a large supply of live COVID-19 just ready to export to “success story states” like VIC. Including West Taiwan, obviously they’re still concealing the true numbers, they’re probably sneaking it into New South West Taiwan.
- We said above that you’d expect that in places with hundreds of new cases … there’d be so much shit flying around that community transmission is big, and it didn’t seem to be the case in VIC, but we also know that this COVID-19 thing has a damn sneaky incubation period and asymptomatic spread. It’s possible that there are already hundreds of new cases in VIC if these numbers are looking this way.
At least for (4) and (5) above, that could well explain the need for an Australian Defence Force intervention ¿
stand down everyone we’ve found some part of the answer, here
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/coronavirus-australia-excess-deaths-data-analysis/12321162
they claim
Professor Bennett said that given Victoria’s population growth, the excess deaths attributed to that state are “not a big discrepancy, especially when we do see some variation year to year”.
“But the other reason for not thinking this is COVID-related is that it is so consistent across all months, where in other settings we see the excess deaths appear in March or so.”
maybe there really was is something more going on,
note also that Austria seems to have suppressed its mortality data
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
Merde!
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
Uh oh spaghettios!
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
Uh oh spaghettios!
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
He’s obviously a big fan of free movement between the states.
:)
:)
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
He’s obviously a big fan of free movement between the states.:)
:)
He’s a *colon*ialist?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
He’s obviously a big fan of free movement between the states.
Noice
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
Nice.
:-)
I see both ends of America were well up yesterday, and Europe well down (even UK, for new cases anyway).
dv said:
lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-long-will-australians-have-to-wait-to-travel-overseas-again
And TP is in short supply!
The US has just had its worst day for new cases, with over 39000 new infections recorded on Wednesday
https://www.immunisationcoalition.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/22Jun-Aust-Flu-Stats-2020.pdf
I wonder if I can find out how many flu tests have been done. Are they getting displaced by COVID19 testing?
dv said:
The US has just had its worst day for new cases, with over 39000 new infections recorded on Wednesday
The graph is looking like a second wave, even if it is just the first wave reaching parts that had previously ogt off rather lightly.
party_pants said:
dv said:
The US has just had its worst day for new cases, with over 39000 new infections recorded on Wednesday
The graph is looking like a second wave, even if it is just the first wave reaching parts that had previously ogt off rather lightly.
Yes. Infection rate has stayed low in the originally badly hit states.
This is interesting…I hadn’t found these raw figures before.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_1.cfm
National notifiable diseases surveillance system. All diseases by month. That is the figures for May, but the last column is year to date. For Australia, ytd for lab confirmed flu is 20,573. But look at Chlamydia…31,939.
And here are the yearly figures going a fair way back.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
buffy said:
This is interesting…I hadn’t found these raw figures before.http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_1.cfm
National notifiable diseases surveillance system. All diseases by month. That is the figures for May, but the last column is year to date. For Australia, ytd for lab confirmed flu is 20,573. But look at Chlamydia…31,939.
The Vic government are sending a thousand people and dozens of mobile test facilities into the ‘hotspot’ areas or Melbourne. Aiming to test at least 50% of the population of each area.
Rule 303 said:
The Vic government are sending a thousand people and dozens of mobile test facilities into the ‘hotspot’ areas or Melbourne. Aiming to test at least 50% of the population of each area.
goodo
The Chaser:
‘American government cures all cancer by not testing for it ‘
‘“Since we stopped running any kind of test that is known to show signs of cancer, rates of detection of cancer have dropped to zero,” reported one elated doctor today. “It really is a miracle breakthrough that I can’t believe we never though of before.”’
So, how is the flu season going then? More numbers than you could possibly want to know:
https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-05-2020.pdf
With all sorts of provisos and statements about numbers can be revised. Under Sentinel Laboratories, there is a note under one of the graphs that says “Total number of tests include all specimens that were tested for influenza, including multiplex respiratory panels which include both influenza and SARS-CoV2. Testing methodologies in the response to COVID-19 vary across jurisdictions.” That makes things a bit difficult, doesn’t it. What I was trying to find was whether a COVID-19 test includes checking for flu/rhino etc. Seems like sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn’t.
buffy said:
So, how is the flu season going then? More numbers than you could possibly want to know:https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-05-2020.pdf
With all sorts of provisos and statements about numbers can be revised. Under Sentinel Laboratories, there is a note under one of the graphs that says “Total number of tests include all specimens that were tested for influenza, including multiplex respiratory panels which include both influenza and SARS-CoV2. Testing methodologies in the response to COVID-19 vary across jurisdictions.” That makes things a bit difficult, doesn’t it. What I was trying to find was whether a COVID-19 test includes checking for flu/rhino etc. Seems like sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn’t.
thought we already established that
https://www.sciencealert.com/can-people-spread-the-coronavirus-if-they-don-t-have-symptoms
Wonder what page she has it open at?
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Luke 4:12
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Something in the middle so it fits neatly I reckon
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Apparently a lot of the recent cases in Victoria can be traced to a single religious gathering.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Apparently a lot of the recent cases in Victoria can be traced to a single religious gathering.
Cattleticks or proddies?
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Apparently a lot of the recent cases in Victoria can be traced to a single religious gathering.
Cattleticks or proddies?
No, the other team…
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Apparently a lot of the recent cases in Victoria can be traced to a single religious gathering.
Cattleticks or proddies?
Talking in tongues all that spittle going everywhere
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Apparently a lot of the recent cases in Victoria can be traced to a single religious gathering.
Cattleticks or proddies?
Neither.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Apparently a lot of the recent cases in Victoria can be traced to a single religious gathering.
Cattleticks or proddies?
Neither.
Oh, Collingwood or Richmond then?
furious said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Apparently a lot of the recent cases in Victoria can be traced to a single religious gathering.
Cattleticks or proddies?
No, the other team…
Unitologists
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Cattleticks or proddies?
Neither.
Oh, Collingwood or Richmond then?
Richmond has one…
Cymek said:
furious said:
party_pants said:Cattleticks or proddies?
No, the other team…
Unitologists
Splitters…
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.
Choose wisely.
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
You’ve been bitten by a snake, before going to the hospital what do you do?A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.Choose wisely.
That duck doesn’t look impressed
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
You’ve been bitten by a snake, before going to the hospital what do you do?A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.Choose wisely.
“he chose … poorly”
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
You’ve been bitten by a snake, before going to the hospital what do you do?A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.Choose wisely.
“Quick! Get the quack!”
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
You’ve been bitten by a snake, before going to the hospital what do you do?A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.Choose wisely.
Conceivably, you can do all three…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402
Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
nose?
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
nose?
Presumably because he has had lots of swabs up there recently…
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
He’ll be allowed to play I guess.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
He’ll be allowed to play I guess.
But he broke rules so doesn’t that make him suspended?
furious said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
He’ll be allowed to play I guess.
But he broke rules so doesn’t that make him suspended?
Did he?
party_pants said:
furious said:
party_pants said:He’ll be allowed to play I guess.
But he broke rules so doesn’t that make him suspended?
Did he?
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
nose?
Yes. One of the nursing homes had to stop testing the staff every day because they were bleeding from the swabbing.
furious said:
party_pants said:
furious said:But he broke rules so doesn’t that make him suspended?
Did he?
They should ban all the players, except for the weakest 22, for one week.
sibeen said:
furious said:
party_pants said:Did he?
They should ban all the players, except for the weakest 22, for one week.
I know your motives but it is strange that only one other person was identified as having close contact with him and I think that person is not in the best 22…
furious said:
sibeen said:
furious said:They should ban all the players, except for the weakest 22, for one week.
I know your motives but it is strange that only one other person was identified as having close contact with him and I think that person is not in the best 22…
Motives…motives?
furious said:
party_pants said:
furious said:But he broke rules so doesn’t that make him suspended?
Did he?
If it involves Essendon the AFL will find a way to play it down.
sibeen said:
furious said:
sibeen said:They should ban all the players, except for the weakest 22, for one week.
I know your motives but it is strange that only one other person was identified as having close contact with him and I think that person is not in the best 22…
Motives…motives?
Yeah, the umm… health of the opposition…
party_pants said:
furious said:
party_pants said:Did he?
If it involves Essendon the AFL will find a way to play it down.
They already did, with the aforementioned solitary close contact they identified…
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/coronavirus-conor-mckenna-tests-negative-for-second-time/12393402Like I said last night…that poor man’s nose! What happens now?
nose?
Yes. One of the nursing homes had to stop testing the staff every day because they were bleeding from the swabbing.
Damn surely there’s a different way
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:nose?
Yes. One of the nursing homes had to stop testing the staff every day because they were bleeding from the swabbing.
Damn surely there’s a different way
there is but it is really long and with a lot of bends.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:nose?
Yes. One of the nursing homes had to stop testing the staff every day because they were bleeding from the swabbing.
Damn surely there’s a different way
There was talk of antibody tests, has this eventuated? If that shows, then do the swab for current infection…
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
buffy said:Yes. One of the nursing homes had to stop testing the staff every day because they were bleeding from the swabbing.
Damn surely there’s a different way
there is but it is really long and with a lot of bends.
Ha!
furious said:
dv said:
buffy said:Yes. One of the nursing homes had to stop testing the staff every day because they were bleeding from the swabbing.
Damn surely there’s a different way
There was talk of antibody tests, has this eventuated? If that shows, then do the swab for current infection…
The antibody test is a bit hand wavy, tells them you have probably had covid-19 or a cold lately.
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
You’ve been bitten by a snake, before going to the hospital what do you do?A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.Choose wisely.
Well that’s just silly. Imagine getting bitten in a desert, there ain’t no ducks in a desert, dummy.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
buffy said:Yes. One of the nursing homes had to stop testing the staff every day because they were bleeding from the swabbing.
Damn surely there’s a different way
there is but it is really long and with a lot of bends.
Alimentary dear Watson
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
You’ve been bitten by a snake, before going to the hospital what do you do?A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.Choose wisely.
I’ll phone a friend thanks Eddie.
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Wonder what page she has it open at?
That’s not a bad improvisation, actually.
Speedy said:
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
You’ve been bitten by a snake, before going to the hospital what do you do?A) Make a tourniquet.
B) Amputate your own leg.
C) Tie a duck to your leg.Choose wisely.
“Quick! Get the quack!”
LOLs
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/can-people-spread-the-coronavirus-if-they-don-t-have-symptoms
24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/can-people-spread-the-coronavirus-if-they-don-t-have-symptoms
24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are like Marvin.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/can-people-spread-the-coronavirus-if-they-don-t-have-symptoms
24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are like Marvin.
They still get an A for effort. A lot of covidiots get all snowflakey about wearing a mask.
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are like Marvin.
They still get an A for effort. A lot of covidiots get all snowflakey about wearing a mask.
/me cries
oh well, currently in AUS, apart from VIC we have mostly known source cases in QLD NSW and then a bunch of states / territories who claim no cases for weeks
so can’t be too upset at our lot we guess
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/can-people-spread-the-coronavirus-if-they-don-t-have-symptoms
24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are like Marvin.
??
Brain the size of a planet?
I’m basically surrounded.
what with all the chatter about multiple tests and nose bleed, the ABC are using their dying gasp to keep us informed
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-06-25/when-to-get-a-coronavirus-test-for-cold-symptoms-this-winter/12388326
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are like Marvin.
??
Brain the size of a planet?
born under a wandering star.
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
so why is the mid-south-east spared
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
No idea, I wouldn’t go that far on my holidays.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
And what colour is it in the dark
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
No idea, I wouldn’t go that far on my holidays.
Narre Warren
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
And what colour is it in the dark
Hallam, Narre Warren were mentioned on the news.
buffy said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Where is the big orange patch?
And what colour is it in the dark
Hallam, Narre Warren were mentioned on the news.
Narre Warren, frustratingly close to being a palindrome
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Where is the big orange patch?
No idea, I wouldn’t go that far on my holidays.
Narre Warren
There be dragons.
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
Donald Trumps arse.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
And what colour is it in the dark
don’t shoot
SMH
Coronavirus cases are climbing rapidly among young adults in a number of US states where bars, stores and restaurants have reopened – a disturbing generational shift that not only puts them in greater peril than many realise but poses an even bigger danger to older people who cross their paths.
“People got complacent,” said Dr Marc Boom, chief executive of the Houston Methodist hospital system. “And it’s coming back and biting us, quite frankly.”
Stocks slid on Wall Street as the news dampened hopes for a quick economic turnaround. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 700 points for a drop of 2.7 per cent.
In Florida, young people ages 15 to 34 now make up 31 per cent of all cases, up from 25 per cent in early June. Experts say the phenomenon cannot be explained away as simply the result of more testing.
For months, elderly people were more likely to be diagnosed with the virus, too. But figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that almost as soon as states began reopening, the picture flipped, with people 18 to 49 years old quickly becoming the age bracket most likely to be diagnosed with new cases.
If the trends continue, hospitals will probably exceed capacity within the next several weeks, said Dr Joseph Gerald, a University of Arizona public health policy professor.
“We are in deep trouble,” said Gerald, urging the state to impose new restrictions on businesses, which Governor Doug Ducey has refused to do.
Dr Peter Hotez, an infectious-disease expert at the Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, said he worries that states will squander what time they have to head off a much larger crisis.
“We’re still talking about subtlety, still arguing whether or not we should wear masks, and still not understanding that a vaccine is not going to rescue us,” he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/disaster-unfolding-in-the-us-as-virus-resurgence-hits-new-peaks-20200625-p55632.html
SMH
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/can-people-spread-the-coronavirus-if-they-don-t-have-symptoms
24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are not like Marvin.
Fixed
not like Marvin.
(sigh)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:24 JUNE 2020
wait up we thought this was already known in February
no wonder we have a fkn pandemic
Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are like Marvin.
??
Brain the size of a planet?
Yeah, I messed up. See my previous post.
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Physical distancing – 1.5 metres or more. And wash (or sanitise) your hands frequently.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Judging by pictures of people wearing bibles and bra cups, many people know little. Unfortunately many of us are like Marvin.
??
Brain the size of a planet?
born under a wandering star.
LOL.
That works.
:)
(phew)
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:And what colour is it in the dark
Hallam, Narre Warren were mentioned on the news.
Narre Warren, frustratingly close to being a palindrome
Tumut is, though.
:)
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
I’m basically surrounded.
Where is the big orange patch?
Donald Trumps arse.
Oh!
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Where is the big orange patch?
And what colour is it in the dark
don’t shoot
Ha!
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:??
Brain the size of a planet?
born under a wandering star.
LOL.
That works.
:)
(phew)
Had to look that up to remind myself who sang it.
SCIENCE said:
SMHCoronavirus cases are climbing rapidly among young adults in a number of US states where bars, stores and restaurants have reopened – a disturbing generational shift that not only puts them in greater peril than many realise but poses an even bigger danger to older people who cross their paths.
“People got complacent,” said Dr Marc Boom, chief executive of the Houston Methodist hospital system. “And it’s coming back and biting us, quite frankly.”
Stocks slid on Wall Street as the news dampened hopes for a quick economic turnaround. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 700 points for a drop of 2.7 per cent.
In Florida, young people ages 15 to 34 now make up 31 per cent of all cases, up from 25 per cent in early June. Experts say the phenomenon cannot be explained away as simply the result of more testing.
For months, elderly people were more likely to be diagnosed with the virus, too. But figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that almost as soon as states began reopening, the picture flipped, with people 18 to 49 years old quickly becoming the age bracket most likely to be diagnosed with new cases.
If the trends continue, hospitals will probably exceed capacity within the next several weeks, said Dr Joseph Gerald, a University of Arizona public health policy professor.
“We are in deep trouble,” said Gerald, urging the state to impose new restrictions on businesses, which Governor Doug Ducey has refused to do.
Dr Peter Hotez, an infectious-disease expert at the Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, said he worries that states will squander what time they have to head off a much larger crisis.
“We’re still talking about subtlety, still arguing whether or not we should wear masks, and still not understanding that a vaccine is not going to rescue us,” he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/disaster-unfolding-in-the-us-as-virus-resurgence-hits-new-peaks-20200625-p55632.html
SMH
sigh
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
SMHCoronavirus cases are climbing rapidly among young adults in a number of US states where bars, stores and restaurants have reopened – a disturbing generational shift that not only puts them in greater peril than many realise but poses an even bigger danger to older people who cross their paths.
“People got complacent,” said Dr Marc Boom, chief executive of the Houston Methodist hospital system. “And it’s coming back and biting us, quite frankly.”
Stocks slid on Wall Street as the news dampened hopes for a quick economic turnaround. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 700 points for a drop of 2.7 per cent.
In Florida, young people ages 15 to 34 now make up 31 per cent of all cases, up from 25 per cent in early June. Experts say the phenomenon cannot be explained away as simply the result of more testing.
For months, elderly people were more likely to be diagnosed with the virus, too. But figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that almost as soon as states began reopening, the picture flipped, with people 18 to 49 years old quickly becoming the age bracket most likely to be diagnosed with new cases.
If the trends continue, hospitals will probably exceed capacity within the next several weeks, said Dr Joseph Gerald, a University of Arizona public health policy professor.
“We are in deep trouble,” said Gerald, urging the state to impose new restrictions on businesses, which Governor Doug Ducey has refused to do.
Dr Peter Hotez, an infectious-disease expert at the Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, said he worries that states will squander what time they have to head off a much larger crisis.
“We’re still talking about subtlety, still arguing whether or not we should wear masks, and still not understanding that a vaccine is not going to rescue us,” he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/disaster-unfolding-in-the-us-as-virus-resurgence-hits-new-peaks-20200625-p55632.html
SMH
sigh
That’s about the sighs of it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
SMHCoronavirus cases are climbing rapidly among young adults in a number of US states where bars, stores and restaurants have reopened – a disturbing generational shift that not only puts them in greater peril than many realise but poses an even bigger danger to older people who cross their paths.
“People got complacent,” said Dr Marc Boom, chief executive of the Houston Methodist hospital system. “And it’s coming back and biting us, quite frankly.”
Stocks slid on Wall Street as the news dampened hopes for a quick economic turnaround. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 700 points for a drop of 2.7 per cent.
In Florida, young people ages 15 to 34 now make up 31 per cent of all cases, up from 25 per cent in early June. Experts say the phenomenon cannot be explained away as simply the result of more testing.
For months, elderly people were more likely to be diagnosed with the virus, too. But figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that almost as soon as states began reopening, the picture flipped, with people 18 to 49 years old quickly becoming the age bracket most likely to be diagnosed with new cases.
If the trends continue, hospitals will probably exceed capacity within the next several weeks, said Dr Joseph Gerald, a University of Arizona public health policy professor.
“We are in deep trouble,” said Gerald, urging the state to impose new restrictions on businesses, which Governor Doug Ducey has refused to do.
Dr Peter Hotez, an infectious-disease expert at the Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, said he worries that states will squander what time they have to head off a much larger crisis.
“We’re still talking about subtlety, still arguing whether or not we should wear masks, and still not understanding that a vaccine is not going to rescue us,” he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/disaster-unfolding-in-the-us-as-virus-resurgence-hits-new-peaks-20200625-p55632.html
SMH
sigh
That’s about the sighs of it.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:born under a wandering star.
LOL.
That works.
:)
(phew)
Had to look that up to remind myself who sang it.
It was Lee Marvin but he wasn’t a carona like Bing Crosby.
Remember how this bastard only kills old people, and they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the Greater Good Of Younger Privileged Entitled Partygoers¿
Well that was the lucky 5%. Remember how 25% need to be in hospital, essentially for oxygen ¿ That’s the other luckier 20%. We have news for them!
Geneva: The world faces a shortage of oxygen concentrators as the number of worldwide cases of coronavirus infection nears the 10 million mark, according to the World Health Organisation.
“Many countries are now experiencing difficulties obtaining oxygen concentrators,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday.
“One of the most effective ways of saving lives is providing oxygen to patients who need it,” he said, but “demand is currently outstripping supply”.
SCIENCE said:
Remember how this bastard only kills old people, and they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the Greater Good Of Younger Privileged Entitled Partygoers¿Well that was the lucky 5%. Remember how 25% need to be in hospital, essentially for oxygen ¿ That’s the other luckier 20%. We have news for them!
Oxygen shortage looms as virus cases head to 10 million
Geneva: The world faces a shortage of oxygen concentrators as the number of worldwide cases of coronavirus infection nears the 10 million mark, according to the World Health Organisation.
“Many countries are now experiencing difficulties obtaining oxygen concentrators,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday.
“One of the most effective ways of saving lives is providing oxygen to patients who need it,” he said, but “demand is currently outstripping supply”.
Bugger.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/afp-investigates-false-covid-claim-in-eden-monaro-by-election/12394270
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:The world faces a shortage of oxygen concentrators as the number of worldwide cases of coronavirus infection nears the 10 million mark, according to the World Health Organisation.“Many countries are now experiencing difficulties obtaining oxygen concentrators,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday.
“One of the most effective ways of saving lives is providing oxygen to patients who need it,” he said, but “demand is currently outstripping supply”.
Bugger.
zeolites, man, it’s just Crystal Healing, if you have any now is the time to cash in
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:The world faces a shortage of oxygen concentrators as the number of worldwide cases of coronavirus infection nears the 10 million mark, according to the World Health Organisation.“Many countries are now experiencing difficulties obtaining oxygen concentrators,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday.
“One of the most effective ways of saving lives is providing oxygen to patients who need it,” he said, but “demand is currently outstripping supply”.
Bugger.
zeolites, man, it’s just Crystal Healing, if you have any now is the time to cash in
I’m guessing an artificial zeolite. I struggle to think of a natural zeolite that would filter nitrogen.
SCIENCE said:
Serious post for once, we put this to the brains trust because there’s something we aren’t quite understanding. Context first.Victoria seeks coronavirus support from ADF, Commonwealth and other states
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victoria-requests-defence-force-help-for-coronavirus-testing/12388992Victoria has requested logistical support from the Australian Defence Force and help from other states as it tries to tackle an increasing number of coronavirus infections in the community. Overnight the state recorded 20 new cases of COVID-19, following a week of increased community transmission that left health officials “worried”.
—
As they should be. Our concerns are as follows.
They mention “community transmission” and it really sounds like the recent outbreak is not dominated by the “known clusters” and “family gatherings”, there seem to be quite a few cases they’re investigating because it’s not clear where they’ve come from. We’ve had a brief poke around to try to get solid numbers but they don’t seem to be easy to find on VIC health sites.
Stepping back you’d expect that in places with hundreds of new cases, or thousands, even millions (we all know about that place), there’d be so much shit flying around that community (local source unknown) transmission is big Big BIG. That doesn’t seem to be the case in VIC.
Which means, WTF? Where are these cases coming from? Someone isn’t telling the full story — is it (1) ABC? (2) VIC health? (3) Patients and contacts? (4) Foreign powers exporting COVID-19? (5) COVID-19 itself?
- We got some numbers from ABC news but they don’t seem to add up, which is what we’re talking about.
- Do the authorities know something they haven’t told us about? Waiting to be more certain before reporting? Concealing the outbreak like West Taiwan?
- If you got sick, or someone you know got sick, you wouldn’t want to reveal that you’d been to those illegal healthcare worker parties, or other dodgy gatherings now, would you?
- How do you explain sporadic spontaneous outbreaks occurring this late in a pandemic, without any clear warning (of course, it’s been building up, so may not be completely true)? There are any number of countries out there with a large supply of live COVID-19 just ready to export to “success story states” like VIC. Including West Taiwan, obviously they’re still concealing the true numbers, they’re probably sneaking it into New South West Taiwan.
- We said above that you’d expect that in places with hundreds of new cases … there’d be so much shit flying around that community transmission is big, and it didn’t seem to be the case in VIC, but we also know that this COVID-19 thing has a damn sneaky incubation period and asymptomatic spread. It’s possible that there are already hundreds of new cases in VIC if these numbers are looking this way.
At least for (4) and (5) above, that could well explain the need for an Australian Defence Force intervention ¿
OK some narrower numbers now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victorians-in-coronavirus-hotspots-encouraged-to-take-precaution/12386232
Tuesday was the state’s seventh straight day of double-digit coronavirus case increases, with the Premier warning there would be “significant community transmission” among the 17 new cases.
Those included the infection of five members of a family in the City of Maribyrnong from an unknown source and two primary school students in the city’s west.
The number of new cases where the source of the infection is unknown has risen by at least 10 in the past three days.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/afp-investigates-false-covid-claim-in-eden-monaro-by-election/12394270
that electorate seems beset with controversy.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Bugger.
zeolites, man, it’s just Crystal Healing, if you have any now is the time to cash in
I’m guessing an artificial zeolite. I struggle to think of a natural zeolite that would filter nitrogen.
How do you filter oxygen out of normal air? Or even the other way around, how to filter everything else out and leave the oxygen behind?
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/afp-investigates-false-covid-claim-in-eden-monaro-by-election/12394270
that electorate seems beset with controversy.
This time around. Not usually (IIRC).
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:zeolites, man, it’s just Crystal Healing, if you have any now is the time to cash in
I’m guessing an artificial zeolite. I struggle to think of a natural zeolite that would filter nitrogen.
How do you filter oxygen out of normal air? Or even the other way around, how to filter everything else out and leave the oxygen behind?
Pump air through a tailored adsorption membrane (in this case a special zeolite).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator#Pressure_swing_adsorption
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:I’m guessing an artificial zeolite. I struggle to think of a natural zeolite that would filter nitrogen.
How do you filter oxygen out of normal air? Or even the other way around, how to filter everything else out and leave the oxygen behind?
Pump air through a tailored adsorption membrane (in this case a special zeolite).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator#Pressure_swing_adsorption
https://cosmic-etn.eu/%EF%BB%BFzeolites-for-health-care-oxygen-concentrator/
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:I’m guessing an artificial zeolite. I struggle to think of a natural zeolite that would filter nitrogen.
How do you filter oxygen out of normal air? Or even the other way around, how to filter everything else out and leave the oxygen behind?
Pump air through a tailored adsorption membrane (in this case a special zeolite).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator#Pressure_swing_adsorption
tanks
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:How do you filter oxygen out of normal air? Or even the other way around, how to filter everything else out and leave the oxygen behind?
Pump air through a tailored adsorption membrane (in this case a special zeolite).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator#Pressure_swing_adsorption
https://cosmic-etn.eu/%EF%BB%BFzeolites-for-health-care-oxygen-concentrator/
+h
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:How do you filter oxygen out of normal air? Or even the other way around, how to filter everything else out and leave the oxygen behind?
Pump air through a tailored adsorption membrane (in this case a special zeolite).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator#Pressure_swing_adsorption
https://cosmic-etn.eu/%EF%BB%BFzeolites-for-health-care-oxygen-concentrator/
Zeolites are an important low temperature mineral group, formed by water-alteration of lavas or volcanic ashes, or low-temperature metamorphism of clays or volcanic ashes.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Pump air through a tailored adsorption membrane (in this case a special zeolite).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator#Pressure_swing_adsorption
https://cosmic-etn.eu/%EF%BB%BFzeolites-for-health-care-oxygen-concentrator/
Zeolites are an important low temperature mineral group, formed by water-alteration of lavas or volcanic ashes, or low-temperature metamorphism of clays or volcanic ashes.
Is it? Oh. I thought zeolites were ex-communicated catholics.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:https://cosmic-etn.eu/%EF%BB%BFzeolites-for-health-care-oxygen-concentrator/
Zeolites are an important low temperature mineral group, formed by water-alteration of lavas or volcanic ashes, or low-temperature metamorphism of clays or volcanic ashes.
Is it? Oh. I thought zeolites were ex-communicated catholics.
I always thought it was compression followed by a kind of distillation…
SCIENCE said:
Remember how this bastard only kills old people, and they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the Greater Good Of Younger Privileged Entitled Partygoers¿Well that was the lucky 5%. Remember how 25% need to be in hospital, essentially for oxygen ¿ That’s the other luckier 20%. We have news for them!
Oxygen shortage looms as virus cases head to 10 million
Geneva: The world faces a shortage of oxygen concentrators as the number of worldwide cases of coronavirus infection nears the 10 million mark, according to the World Health Organisation.
“Many countries are now experiencing difficulties obtaining oxygen concentrators,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday.
“One of the most effective ways of saving lives is providing oxygen to patients who need it,” he said, but “demand is currently outstripping supply”.
I did some work on an oxygen plant. Made by Linde. It was used for producing oxygen for the “basic oxygen” steel recycling steelmaking process.
So if you want more medical oxygen in a hurry, use more iron ore and less recycled steel scrap in steelmaking.
I hadn’t noticed this worldometer page before.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/
Going to be another horror day today when the worldwide numbers are crunched for new cases.
This graph is amusing. USA vs Europe. Until recently they followed the exact same trend. Then something went wrong in the USA.
I like this video. Cases around the whole world, in every country, timeline from 14 Jan 2020. Logarithmic scale so not as frightening looking as perhaps it should be. PNG and Greenland are doing well. And North Korea still claiming no cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#case-timeline
> And North Korea still claiming no cases.
From https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#case-timeline
North Korea is one of only three countries in the world pretending to have no Covid-19 cases. The other two are Turkmenistan and Djibouti. (Possibly excluding some really small Pacific Island nations).
Covid-19 had already spread to every other country on the planet more than two months ago.
The last country to register their first case was Yemen. On 13 April 2020.
And before that South Sudan registered their first case on 8 April 2020.
PNG is currently doing best with only 9 cases, and Greenland next with only 13.
mollwollfumble said:
> And North Korea still claiming no cases.From https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#case-timeline
North Korea is one of only three countries in the world pretending to have no Covid-19 cases. The other two are Turkmenistan and Djibouti. (Possibly excluding some really small Pacific Island nations).
Covid-19 had already spread to every other country on the planet more than two months ago.
The last country to register their first case was Yemen. On 13 April 2020.
And before that South Sudan registered their first case on 8 April 2020.PNG is currently doing best with only 9 cases, and Greenland next with only 13.
Greenland isn’t a country, although it does have some self rule.
I’m hearing reports from inside quarantine hotels that the people held are carrying on like a bunch of pork chops. They are a significant infection risk.
Perhaps a couple of years on Manus would be more to their liking?
Rule 303 said:
I’m hearing reports from inside quarantine hotels that the people held are carrying on like a bunch of pork chops. They are a significant infection risk.Perhaps a couple of years on Manus would be more to their liking?
stick them on Christmas Island like those fkn West Taiwanese Boat People Wuhan-Tourist Australian Citizens, it’s where they belong
mollwollfumble said:
I hadn’t noticed this worldometer page before.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/
Going to be another horror day today when the worldwide numbers are crunched for new cases.
This graph is amusing. USA vs Europe. Until recently they followed the exact same trend. Then something went wrong in the USA.
I like this video. Cases around the whole world, in every country, timeline from 14 Jan 2020. Logarithmic scale so not as frightening looking as perhaps it should be. PNG and Greenland are doing well. And North Korea still claiming no cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#case-timeline
you mean something went Right
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-25/qantas-cuts-show-economic-recovery-from-coronavirus-will-be-slow/12391042
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has a message for you. “The impact will be felt for some time,” he said in the same press conference where he told reporters that he didn’t expect international services to resume in the next financial year, which is just about to start.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Serious post for once, we put this to the brains trust because there’s something we aren’t quite understanding. Context first.Victoria seeks coronavirus support from ADF, Commonwealth and other states
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victoria-requests-defence-force-help-for-coronavirus-testing/12388992Victoria has requested logistical support from the Australian Defence Force and help from other states as it tries to tackle an increasing number of coronavirus infections in the community. Overnight the state recorded 20 new cases of COVID-19, following a week of increased community transmission that left health officials “worried”.
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As they should be. Our concerns are as follows.
They mention “community transmission” and it really sounds like the recent outbreak is not dominated by the “known clusters” and “family gatherings”, there seem to be quite a few cases they’re investigating because it’s not clear where they’ve come from. We’ve had a brief poke around to try to get solid numbers but they don’t seem to be easy to find on VIC health sites.
Stepping back you’d expect that in places with hundreds of new cases, or thousands, even millions (we all know about that place), there’d be so much shit flying around that community (local source unknown) transmission is big Big BIG. That doesn’t seem to be the case in VIC.
Which means, WTF? Where are these cases coming from? Someone isn’t telling the full story — is it (1) ABC? (2) VIC health? (3) Patients and contacts? (4) Foreign powers exporting COVID-19? (5) COVID-19 itself?
- We got some numbers from ABC news but they don’t seem to add up, which is what we’re talking about.
- Do the authorities know something they haven’t told us about? Waiting to be more certain before reporting? Concealing the outbreak like West Taiwan?
- If you got sick, or someone you know got sick, you wouldn’t want to reveal that you’d been to those illegal healthcare worker parties, or other dodgy gatherings now, would you?
- How do you explain sporadic spontaneous outbreaks occurring this late in a pandemic, without any clear warning (of course, it’s been building up, so may not be completely true)? There are any number of countries out there with a large supply of live COVID-19 just ready to export to “success story states” like VIC. Including West Taiwan, obviously they’re still concealing the true numbers, they’re probably sneaking it into New South West Taiwan.
- We said above that you’d expect that in places with hundreds of new cases … there’d be so much shit flying around that community transmission is big, and it didn’t seem to be the case in VIC, but we also know that this COVID-19 thing has a damn sneaky incubation period and asymptomatic spread. It’s possible that there are already hundreds of new cases in VIC if these numbers are looking this way.
At least for (4) and (5) above, that could well explain the need for an Australian Defence Force intervention ¿
OK some narrower numbers now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/victorians-in-coronavirus-hotspots-encouraged-to-take-precaution/12386232
Tuesday was the state’s seventh straight day of double-digit coronavirus case increases, with the Premier warning there would be “significant community transmission” among the 17 new cases.
Those included the infection of five members of a family in the City of Maribyrnong from an unknown source and two primary school students in the city’s west.
The number of new cases where the source of the infection is unknown has risen by at least 10 in the past three days.
For everyone’s benefit we have discussed the matter with intelligent associates and here is another concerning thought sequence you all might enjoy.
Remember how tigers, giraffes, sea sponges and martians have all been catching COVID-19¿
Remember how This All Started From Chinese Bats¿
If there’s community human-to-human transmission in millions of people in any given country, is it possible, even a few times, even once, that it has community human-to-wild-animal transmitted¿
Alternatively, if we’re in New South China and recent bushfires have pushed wildlife into cities, and we’re wondering where the cases are coming from, and it doesn’t seem to be from any other human, where might it be coming from¿
How many bats are there in Australia¿
See, told you all it was just a mild ‘flu’.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/06/23/paul-garner-covid-19-at-14-weeks-phantom-speed-cameras-unknown-limits-and-harsh-penalties/
Can’t tell you how impressed I am with the lengths the USA has gone to to isolate and control the risk of Coronavirus. This, for example, is the current passenger flight chart for the country:
SCIENCE said:
See, told you all it was just a mild ‘flu’.https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/06/23/paul-garner-covid-19-at-14-weeks-phantom-speed-cameras-unknown-limits-and-harsh-penalties/
The long term costs are so hard to gauge. Especially allowing for post covid conditions.
Thursday 25 June 2020
Effective immediately, Murrumbidgee Local Health District (MLHD) will not be granting visitor access to anyone who has travelled to Melbourne in the last 14 days.
With the recent increase in COVID-19 cases in Melbourne we are taking necessary precautions to continue our vigilance with our COVID-19 response.
Additional screening requirements for visitors will now be put in place across all Murrumbidgee facilities to assist with protecting vulnerable patients.
The screening also applies to staff, who will be required to be symptom-free for 14 days before returning to work, if they have travelled to Melbourne.
“Anyone who has come from Melbourne, including NSW residents, should not attend aged care facilities, hospitals or other settings with vulnerable people for a period of 14 days,” said Chief Executive Jill Ludford.
“Anyone who has returned from Melbourne and has even the mildest symptoms should be seek testing for COVID-19.”
“After the great work that Murrumbidgee residents have done to limit the transmission of the virus, it is critical that we take these precautionary steps to keep our patients safe”.
MLHD will be ramping up the Murrumbidgee Mobile Testing Clinics along the border region.
“We need to continue to maintain our vigilance along the Victorian border given the recent rise in numbers,” said Executive Director of Medical Services Dr Len Bruce. “Our Mobile teams are being deployed to our border towns to increase testing rates in these areas.”
“Detecting the virus early is a priority for us in the Murrumbidgee and will help us to take early intervention to stop the spread,” added Dr Bruce.
MLHD reminds people to follow the rules around gatherings, maintain physical distance when they are out and about, and wash their hands frequently and thoroughly.
Anyone who feels unwell is invited to call the Murrumbidgee COVID hotline on 1800 831 099 to arrange an appointment at their nearest testing centre, whether that be a clinic or a GP practice.
Rule 303 said:
Can’t tell you how impressed I am with the lengths the USA has gone to to isolate and control the risk of Coronavirus. This, for example, is the current passenger flight chart for the country:
More than two thirds of the planes in the air are over the land Mass of the USA.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/twenty-million-americans-may-have-had-covid-19-as-new-cases-surge-20200626-p556c4.html
South America is starting to get really hammered now.
Peak Warming Man said:
South America is starting to get really hammered now.
Aye. India, Pakistan and Bangadesh (or “India” as we used to call them) are pulling their weight in fresh cases as well.
Probably be a thing soon that having had corvid goes straight onto your CV.
Peak Warming Man said:
Probably be a thing soon that having had corvid goes straight onto your CV.
Hmmm … CV … corona virus … I mean I see where your aiming here but maybe workshop
U.S. CDC estimates 20 million American infections as coronavirus cases near record high
U.S. CDC officials, relying on blood tests, estimated Thursday that 20 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus, a figure that represents about 6 percent percent of the country’s population and roughly 10 times the 2.3 million confirmed cases in the nation.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/26/world/cdc-estimates-20-million-coronavirus/
Not Just America
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronavirus-melbourne-testing-blitz-underway-in-hotspot-suburbs/12393984
dv said:
WDGI
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
WDGI
Wot, none of you?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
WDGI
Wot, none of you?
What’s not to get?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The True Coronavirus Case Tally in The US Could Be Over 80 Times Larger Than Reported
very good, should be at flock immunity levels very soon then
obviously the USSA have an exceptional strain of the virus with lower cfr than anywhere else in the world, to go hand in hand with their exceptionally good health care system
ABC News:
‘Victoria’s Deputy Chief Health Officer said people are at risk of becoming infected if they don’t wash their hands after handling chickens or if they eat raw or under-cooked eggs.’
In plain language: Victoria’s DCHO gives advice to Victorians which is quite relevant before, during, and after a pandemic of any kind.
Or, to put it another way – despite what you Victorians think, you’re not rendered immune from germs by the fact that you’re from Victoria. Despite what you were told during your upbringing.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria’s Deputy Chief Health Officer said people are at risk of becoming infected if they don’t wash their hands after handling chickens or if they eat raw or under-cooked eggs.’
In plain language: Victoria’s DCHO gives advice to Victorians which is quite relevant before, during, and after a pandemic of any kind.
Or, to put it another way – despite what you Victorians think, you’re not rendered immune from germs by the fact that you’re from Victoria. Despite what you were told during your upbringing.
they mean in general then or is this COVID-19 advice¿
Classic What About Itis
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-are-rising-community-transmission/12397832
It’s also worth keeping a sense of perspective through this latest outbreak: Australia is currently reporting less than 0.02 per cent of the world’s new coronavirus cases.
Fresh Outbreaks Are Deadly
or something else with the same acronym
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/26/parties-and-raves-across-europe-spark-fears-of-covid-19-surge
People are fucking idiots.
There is no hope; we’re doomed.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/26/parties-and-raves-across-europe-spark-fears-of-covid-19-surgePeople are fucking idiots.
There is no hope; we’re doomed.
Perhaps Tasmania and New Zealand will survive.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/26/parties-and-raves-across-europe-spark-fears-of-covid-19-surgePeople are fucking idiots.
There is no hope; we’re doomed.
Perhaps Tasmania and New Zealand will survive.
Nah, someone will fuck it up.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/26/parties-and-raves-across-europe-spark-fears-of-covid-19-surgePeople are fucking idiots.
There is no hope; we’re doomed.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/26/parties-and-raves-across-europe-spark-fears-of-covid-19-surgePeople are fucking idiots.
There is no hope; we’re doomed.
Perhaps Tasmania and New Zealand will survive.
Nah, someone will fuck it up.
don’t worry, the scientists will save us with their technology
wait
nobody fucking listens to scientists anyway so yeah
we’re fucked
and what have we been telling you
worth looking at the chart — this current spike is as bad as the initial one in late March early April — so if they don’t hurry up and clean it up, then we will need to return to what worked back in April, at least whatever level of restrictions we had then
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-are-rising-community-transmission/12397832
From a daily average of three coronavirus cases in Victoria a fortnight ago, to 23 today. The state has recorded 160 new coronavirus cases in the past week. Community transmission has contributed to most of the new infections in Victoria
And unlike the earlier stages of the pandemic, most are now being infected on Australian soil, rather than bringing the virus in from overseas.
With community transmission rates as high as we’ve seen this week, we have to assume there is more virus in the community than we know about. The Victorian Government is clearly worried enough about the virus spreading further to launch a major testing blitz. Medical staff are going door-to-door hoping to test at least half the residents of 10 suburbs with a “community transmission challenge” by the end of next week.
“The fact that we’re not seeing a major escalation in numbers is reassuring and we are very confident that the Victorian response … is good, strong and appropriate,” Dr Murphy said.
People watching on from north of the Victorian border should remember: it could be you next
While locally acquired infections are rare at the moment in New South Wales, they are still occurring, including five cases in school students and staff in the past month.
SCIENCE said:
and what have we been telling youworth looking at the chart — this current spike is as bad as the initial one in late March early April — so if they don’t hurry up and clean it up, then we will need to return to what worked back in April, at least whatever level of restrictions we had then
Coronavirus cases in Victoria are rising, with community transmissions the main focus
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-are-rising-community-transmission/12397832
From a daily average of three coronavirus cases in Victoria a fortnight ago, to 23 today. The state has recorded 160 new coronavirus cases in the past week. Community transmission has contributed to most of the new infections in Victoria
And unlike the earlier stages of the pandemic, most are now being infected on Australian soil, rather than bringing the virus in from overseas.
With community transmission rates as high as we’ve seen this week, we have to assume there is more virus in the community than we know about. The Victorian Government is clearly worried enough about the virus spreading further to launch a major testing blitz. Medical staff are going door-to-door hoping to test at least half the residents of 10 suburbs with a “community transmission challenge” by the end of next week.
“The fact that we’re not seeing a major escalation in numbers is reassuring and we are very confident that the Victorian response … is good, strong and appropriate,” Dr Murphy said.
People watching on from north of the Victorian border should remember: it could be you next
While locally acquired infections are rare at the moment in New South Wales, they are still occurring, including five cases in school students and staff in the past month.
Add to that the fact that 30% of Victorians isolated in hotels, refuse to be tested and get this, they’ve been allowed to get away with it and walk out of isolation untested.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:People watching on from north of the Victorian border should remember: it could be you next
Add to that the fact that 30% of Victorians isolated in hotels, refuse to be tested and get this, they’ve been allowed to get away with it and walk out of isolation untested.
ABC News:
Coronavirus has made a comeback in Victoria — and started some soul-searching
Some people feel that they’re ‘special’.
From my own experiences in Melbourne, i now that there’s more than a few of them there. In their minds, they’re ‘a cut above’ most of us, way too cool for school, and, in their own opinions, exempt from things that affect the hoi polloi.
To put it bluntly, rather smug.
With that attitude, and given the notable failure of Victorians to follow some rules about how not to infect each other, we might think of changing the state’s and the city’s name to New Sweden and New Stockholm.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:People watching on from north of the Victorian border should remember: it could be you next
Add to that the fact that 30% of Victorians isolated in hotels, refuse to be tested and get this, they’ve been allowed to get away with it and walk out of isolation untested.
ABC News:
Coronavirus has made a comeback in Victoria — and started some soul-searching
Some people feel that they’re ‘special’.
From my own experiences in Melbourne, i now that there’s more than a few of them there. In their minds, they’re ‘a cut above’ most of us, way too cool for school, and, in their own opinions, exempt from things that affect the hoi polloi.
To put it bluntly, rather smug.
With that attitude, and given the notable failure of Victorians to follow some rules about how not to infect each other, we might think of changing the state’s and the city’s name to New Sweden and New Stockholm.
dv said:
And I think I understand why.
The pictures are too small and too low resolution to make any sense of them.
Given the ramped up testing in Victoria, I thought it might be interesting to see the numbers for tests done. As the note says…this is the number of tests done, not the number of individuals tested. Remembering that footballer accounts for at least 9 all on his own. And some nursing homes were initially testing staff daily.
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/total-covid-19-tests-conducted-and-results
So now we need some figures for population in each state.
1 New South Wales 7,317,500
2 Victoria 5,640,900
3 Queensland 4,599,400
4 Western Australia 2,366,900
5 South Australia 1,659,800
6 Tasmania 511,000
7 Australian Capital Territory 366,900
8 Northern Territory 231,200
REF: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-states-and-territories-of-australia.html
So tests per head of population are:
NSW: 10.77%
VIC: 13.06%
QLD: 7.5%
WA: 7.36%
SA: 8.80%
TAS: 9.3%
ACT: 7.7%
NT: 5.45%
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-27/coronavirus-update-covid19-usa-daily-record-cases-djokovic-india/12399442
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-27/coronavirus-update-covid19-usa-daily-record-cases-djokovic-india/12399442
The USA have beaten that benchmark already today with 47,000 new cases. More than they were copping at the first peak in April.
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-27/coronavirus-update-covid19-usa-daily-record-cases-djokovic-india/12399442
The USA have beaten that benchmark already today with 47,000 new cases. More than they were copping at the first peak in April.
All things will be tolerated, so long as no-one tries to take their guns away.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-27/coronavirus-update-covid19-usa-daily-record-cases-djokovic-india/12399442
The USA have beaten that benchmark already today with 47,000 new cases. More than they were copping at the first peak in April.
All things will be tolerated, so long as no-one tries to take their guns away.
For once I don’t see the direct connection. Maybe indirectly, personal liberty has turned everyone into completely selfish fuckers, but that’s about it.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:The USA have beaten that benchmark already today with 47,000 new cases. More than they were copping at the first peak in April.
All things will be tolerated, so long as no-one tries to take their guns away.
For once I don’t see the direct connection. Maybe indirectly, personal liberty has turned everyone into completely selfish fuckers, but that’s about it.
There’s no direct connection at all.
That won’t stop a lot of Americans asking if there might be.
‘People getting infected by the tens of thousands? Bad. But i can keep my guns, right?’
‘Hundreds of people dying every day from it? Awful. How’s that affect gun rights?’
‘Government should do something i reckon. As long as they don’t try to sneak in gun control with it.’
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:All things will be tolerated, so long as no-one tries to take their guns away.
For once I don’t see the direct connection. Maybe indirectly, personal liberty has turned everyone into completely selfish fuckers, but that’s about it.
There’s no direct connection at all.
That won’t stop a lot of Americans asking if there might be.
‘People getting infected by the tens of thousands? Bad. But i can keep my guns, right?’
‘Hundreds of people dying every day from it? Awful. How’s that affect gun rights?’
‘Government should do something i reckon. As long as they don’t try to sneak in gun control with it.’
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:For once I don’t see the direct connection. Maybe indirectly, personal liberty has turned everyone into completely selfish fuckers, but that’s about it.
There’s no direct connection at all.
That won’t stop a lot of Americans asking if there might be.
‘People getting infected by the tens of thousands? Bad. But i can keep my guns, right?’
‘Hundreds of people dying every day from it? Awful. How’s that affect gun rights?’
‘Government should do something i reckon. As long as they don’t try to sneak in gun control with it.’
I think there’s a lot of “give me liberty or give me death” thinking involved.
Brave until the crunch.
JudgeMental said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:There’s no direct connection at all.
That won’t stop a lot of Americans asking if there might be.
‘People getting infected by the tens of thousands? Bad. But i can keep my guns, right?’
‘Hundreds of people dying every day from it? Awful. How’s that affect gun rights?’
‘Government should do something i reckon. As long as they don’t try to sneak in gun control with it.’
I think there’s a lot of “give me liberty or give me death” thinking involved.Brave until the crunch.
Is that Essington or Footscray?
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Tamb said:I think there’s a lot of “give me liberty or give me death” thinking involved.
Brave until the crunch.
Is that Essington or Footscray?
Albuquerque NM.
JudgeMental said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:There’s no direct connection at all.
That won’t stop a lot of Americans asking if there might be.
‘People getting infected by the tens of thousands? Bad. But i can keep my guns, right?’
‘Hundreds of people dying every day from it? Awful. How’s that affect gun rights?’
‘Government should do something i reckon. As long as they don’t try to sneak in gun control with it.’
I think there’s a lot of “give me liberty or give me death” thinking involved.Brave until the crunch.
I’m presently reading Mary Roach’s book “Grunt”. About the US military. I think some of those people should perhaps try some of the training she describes they use for people going into insurgent territory. It’s definitely not all about what you look like. The simulations are gruesome enough, let alone what the real thing must be like.
I finished reading about research on when/why sharks attack, done for the Navy and Airforce (for ditchings in the ocean). Basically they are generally only interested in the dead. But they will swim with the living. Now I’ve moved on to the use of maggots for cleaning wounds. It’s not popular with the nursing staff. But it works.
Experts say there’s evidence Covid-19 is making a comeback, including rising deaths and hospitalizations in parts of the US
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/26/arizona-joins-texas-halting-reopening-amid-surge-covid-coronavirus-cases
I’m glad they have an expert on hand to work this out.
sibeen said:
Experts say there’s evidence Covid-19 is making a comeback, including rising deaths and hospitalizations in parts of the UShttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/26/arizona-joins-texas-halting-reopening-amid-surge-covid-coronavirus-cases
I’m glad they have an expert on hand to work this out.
I bet he is boasting on twitter that there are no deaths.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sibeen said:
Experts say there’s evidence Covid-19 is making a comeback, including rising deaths and hospitalizations in parts of the UShttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/26/arizona-joins-texas-halting-reopening-amid-surge-covid-coronavirus-cases
I’m glad they have an expert on hand to work this out.
I bet he is boasting on twitter that there are no deaths.
He is also boasting that he was prepared and smug that he withdrew the virus early detection team.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Add to that the fact that 30% of Victorians isolated in hotels, refuse to be tested and get this, they’ve been allowed to get away with it and walk out of isolation untested.
ABC News:
Coronavirus has made a comeback in Victoria — and started some soul-searching
Some people feel that they’re ‘special’.
From my own experiences in Melbourne, i now that there’s more than a few of them there. In their minds, they’re ‘a cut above’ most of us, way too cool for school, and, in their own opinions, exempt from things that affect the hoi polloi.
To put it bluntly, rather smug.
With that attitude, and given the notable failure of Victorians to follow some rules about how not to infect each other, we might think of changing the state’s and the city’s name to New Sweden and New Stockholm.
Here in FNQ they are referred to as Dicktorians.
Yes we found it odd that the level of personally determined exemption was that high or even accepted by you know, personal freedom versus threat to life of millions.
Holy shit.
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:ABC News:
Coronavirus has made a comeback in Victoria — and started some soul-searching
Some people feel that they’re ‘special’.
From my own experiences in Melbourne, i now that there’s more than a few of them there. In their minds, they’re ‘a cut above’ most of us, way too cool for school, and, in their own opinions, exempt from things that affect the hoi polloi.
To put it bluntly, rather smug.
With that attitude, and given the notable failure of Victorians to follow some rules about how not to infect each other, we might think of changing the state’s and the city’s name to New Sweden and New Stockholm.
Here in FNQ they are referred to as Dicktorians.Yes we found it odd that the level of personally determined exemption was that high or even accepted by you know, personal freedom versus threat to life of millions.
I should read the details, I suppose. Are the clusters over the last week coming from people coming out of quarantine?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-27/victoria-cases-of-coronavirus-in-hotspots-increases/12399872
You see…this is what happens when you ramp up the testing!
;)
Fake threat card, cooked up by Merkin loonies:
‘I don’t like the government telling me what to do. But, by gosh, i’ll wield it like a weapon when i want to tell YOU what to do!
captain_spalding said:
Fake threat card, cooked up by Merkin loonies:
‘I don’t like the government telling me what to do. But, by gosh, i’ll wield it like a weapon when i want to tell YOU what to do!
“posses”
Ha!
I’d like to be running a business in the US, and have someone present a ‘face mask exempt’ card.
I’d warn them, in return, that as an Australian, my business is covered by the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement of 2004, and that any attempt to violate the terms of that agreement by hindering the operation of my business or subjecting it or me to threats or unfair retaliation could result in severe penalties for offenders, including substantial fines and/or prison sentences.
Utter bullshit, but i reckon it’d wipe the grins off some faces.
GOP Sens. Cornyn and Cruz say they don’t understand why federal funds are being pulled from coronavirus testing sites
Washington(CNN)Members of the Texas congressional delegation on both sides of the aisle are asking the Trump administration to reconsider its decision to halt direct funding to several coronavirus testing sites in the Lone Star State, where there has been a surge of Covid-19 cases.
The transition away from these federally funded sites began in April, but the latest debate over federal funding comes after President Donald Trump on Saturday lamented the rise in coronavirus cases in the US, blaming increased testing.
At a campaign rally over the weekend, he said coronavirus testing was “a double-edged sword.”
“I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please,’ “ the President added.
Administration officials have said that slowing down testing has not been requested and his comments were made “in jest,” but Trump maintains that he wasn’t kidding.
The federally funded testing program was intended to jump-start initial capabilities in critical areas across the US, according to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. But given Food and Drug Administration approval for individuals to self-administer nasal swab tests at sites, the demand for personal protective equipment and trained health care providers will be reduced, a FEMA spokesperson said in a statement in April, when the administration began its transition away from the program.
Texas governor halts reopening as coronavirus crisis grows; California’s declares budget emergency
A Health and Human Services spokesperson confirmed to CNN that the 13 Community-Based Testing Sites, seven of which are in Texas, would no longer receive direct funding.
“As we approach the agreed upon transition date of June 30 for the state-run sites, the federal government is broadening its community testing support to a more sustainable model,” the spokesperson said, adding that the transition will include “continued support of retail and pharmacy partnerships in more than 600 locations” and “offering COVID-19 testing at over 1,300 Federally Qualified Health Centers nationally.”
CNN reported in April that the transition away from the program received mixed reactions. While some localities may need federal support, others have already moved toward managing their own sites.
But several lawmakers from Texas, including Republican Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, say they do not understand why the federal assistance is being pulled as their state sees more and more coronavirus cases.
“Frankly, I didn’t understand what they were thinking,” Cornyn told CNN on Thursday.
In a joint letter sent to Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and FEMA Administrator Pete Gaynor on Thursday, Cornyn and Cruz urged the administration “to grant an extension of the program for the testing sites in Texas,” which they said are “critical to Texas’ testing capacity.”
“Texas is currently experiencing a rise in confirmed COVID-19 cases. In the last two weeks, daily new cases, the overall positivity rate, and hospitalizations in Texas have all increased. Some of the state’s largest cities — where these CBTS sites are located — are experiencing single-day records of new cases,” the letter said. “Now is not the time to end a program that is working and successfully increasing testing capacity — especially for underserved communities in the state. Due to the recent rise of COVID-19 cases in Texas, cities need additional time to prepare for the transition to state and local control of the testing sites.”
Four Texas Democrats in the House also sent a letter earlier this week urging Gaynor and US Surgeon General Jerome Adams to extend federal funding for the sites. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, has criticized the move, too.
There were initially 41 sites across 12 states and now, there are 13 in five states — Texas, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Illinois and New Jersey.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/texas-coronavirus-testing-trump-funding/index.html
captain_spalding said:
I’d like to be running a business in the US, and have someone present a ‘face mask exempt’ card.I’d warn them, in return, that as an Australian, my business is covered by the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement of 2004, and that any attempt to violate the terms of that agreement by hindering the operation of my business or subjecting it or me to threats or unfair retaliation could result in severe penalties for offenders, including substantial fines and/or prison sentences.
Utter bullshit, but i reckon it’d wipe the grins off some faces.
I would keep that one up the sleeve for when a bunch of them were picketing the store because I had booted them out with instructions to go forth and enjoy some sex and travel.
Trump asks Supreme Court to invalidate Affordable Care Act
The Trump administration has asked the US Supreme Court to invalidate Obamacare, which has provided health insurance to millions of Americans.
Government lawyers said the act became invalid when the previous Republican-led Congress axed parts of it.
Democratic challenger Joe Biden attacked the move, saying Mr Trump had put millions of lives at risk during the coronavirus pandemic.
Health care will be a key battleground in the November presidential election.
Some 20 million Americans could lose their health coverage if the court overturns the Affordable Care Act (ACA), which was introduced by Donald Trump’s Democratic predecessor, Barack Obama.
The act’s popular provisions include banning insurers from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions and allowing children to stay on their parents’ health plans until age 26. Millions of low-income Americans were able to obtain insurance due to the act.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53190429
dv said:
But several lawmakers from Texas, including Republican Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, say they do not understand why the federal assistance is being pulled as their state sees more and more coronavirus cases.
“Frankly, I didn’t understand what they were thinking,” Cornyn told CNN on Thursday.
What Senator Cornyn doesnt understand is that the Trump administration is NOT thinking.
Never has. Not for a second.
Getting on for four years in, and some people still don’t realise that.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:But several lawmakers from Texas, including Republican Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, say they do not understand why the federal assistance is being pulled as their state sees more and more coronavirus cases.
“Frankly, I didn’t understand what they were thinking,” Cornyn told CNN on Thursday.
What Senator Cornyn doesnt understand is that the Trump administration is NOT thinking.
Never has. Not for a second.
Getting on for four years in, and some people still don’t realise that.
It is all run on the whim of a great big fat angry toddler.
I reckon he’ll have to start firing some more people on his PR team if they keep insisting that he is joking whenever he says something serious.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:But several lawmakers from Texas, including Republican Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, say they do not understand why the federal assistance is being pulled as their state sees more and more coronavirus cases.
“Frankly, I didn’t understand what they were thinking,” Cornyn told CNN on Thursday.
What Senator Cornyn doesnt understand is that the Trump administration is NOT thinking.
Never has. Not for a second.
Getting on for four years in, and some people still don’t realise that.
They’re a f’n slow as he is.
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:But several lawmakers from Texas, including Republican Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, say they do not understand why the federal assistance is being pulled as their state sees more and more coronavirus cases.
“Frankly, I didn’t understand what they were thinking,” Cornyn told CNN on Thursday.
What Senator Cornyn doesnt understand is that the Trump administration is NOT thinking.
Never has. Not for a second.
Getting on for four years in, and some people still don’t realise that.
They’re a f’n slow as he is.
Nah, I think they’re getting it.
captain_spalding said:
Fake threat card, cooked up by Merkin loonies:
‘I don’t like the government telling me what to do. But, by gosh, i’ll wield it like a weapon when i want to tell YOU what to do!
This card looks pretty real:
PermeateFree said:
Yeah. I couldn’t pick this shit.
ABC News:
‘Community transmission in Victoria has risen by 15 cases as health authorities scramble to find the source of 19 new infections.’
I suggest that any male under the age of 70 who’s wearing a cloth cap, or any woman who says ‘çorrect’ when someone says something in line with her views (á la Rake), should be interned.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-27/victoria-cases-of-coronavirus-in-hotspots-increases/12399872
So we’ve got new cases, mostly in family clusters. Are any of them needing hospitalization? I haven’t seen any mentioned. Are there more asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases now being detected?
buffy said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-27/victoria-cases-of-coronavirus-in-hotspots-increases/12399872You see…this is what happens when you ramp up the testing!
;)
So we’ve got new cases, mostly in family clusters. Are any of them needing hospitalization? I haven’t seen any mentioned. Are there more asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases now being detected?
well as you say, ramp up the testing
generally that doesn’t lead to finding more severe cases, but the milder ones
How do numbers work?
dv said:
How do numbers work?
Hey, their mortality rate is below that of 4 or 5 decent sized countries. As there’s only 6 or 7 countries in the world…
dv said:
How do numbers work?
‘…as necessary!’
Is that like ‘with extreme prejudice’? Perhaps ‘by executive action’? Or ‘via sanctioned measures’?
dv said:
How do numbers work?
In his mind, ebullience is key to success. I’ve seen this before….
sibeen said:
dv said:
How do numbers work?
Hey, their mortality rate is below that of 4 or 5 decent sized countries. As there’s only 6 or 7 countries in the world…
According to Worlometer, their deaths per million population ranks at 9th out of 214 listings.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
How do numbers work?
In his mind, ebullience is key to success. I’ve seen this before….
If you tell the lie often enough, and forcefully enough, not only will you come to believe that it’s the truth, but they will, too.
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
How do numbers work?
In his mind, ebullience is key to success. I’ve seen this before….
If you tell the lie often enough, and forcefully enough, not only will you come to believe that it’s the truth, but they will, too.
colossal
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
How do numbers work?
In his mind, ebullience is key to success. I’ve seen this before….
If you tell the lie often enough, and forcefully enough, not only will you come to believe that it’s the truth, but they will, too.
There’s more to this than coercion – It’s conflation. He believes the world is an external representation of his internal mind. The purpose of this Tweet is to focus and encourage himself to stay true to his path – And if the most faithful of his true believers come along for the ride, that’s good, too.
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:In his mind, ebullience is key to success. I’ve seen this before….
If you tell the lie often enough, and forcefully enough, not only will you come to believe that it’s the truth, but they will, too.
There’s more to this than coercion – It’s conflation. He believes the world is an external representation of his internal mind. The purpose of this Tweet is to focus and encourage himself to stay true to his path – And if the most faithful of his true believers come along for the ride, that’s good, too.
Interesting take on it.
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:In his mind, ebullience is key to success. I’ve seen this before….
If you tell the lie often enough, and forcefully enough, not only will you come to believe that it’s the truth, but they will, too.
There’s more to this than coercion – It’s conflation. He believes the world is an external representation of his internal mind. The purpose of this Tweet is to focus and encourage himself to stay true to his path – And if the most faithful of his true believers come along for the ride, that’s good, too.
Oh, yes, there’s more than a drop of self-delusion in there.
Having been ‘the boss’ (i.e. shielded by his immediate subordinates from the poor outcomes of his dickheaded decisions) for so long, he’s incapable of understanding that ANYTHING in the world doesn’t turn out exactly as he’d wish it to be.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:If you tell the lie often enough, and forcefully enough, not only will you come to believe that it’s the truth, but they will, too.
There’s more to this than coercion – It’s conflation. He believes the world is an external representation of his internal mind. The purpose of this Tweet is to focus and encourage himself to stay true to his path – And if the most faithful of his true believers come along for the ride, that’s good, too.
Interesting take on it.
I have, as I said, seen this before. It’s the mindset of the born Chameleon.
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:
captain_spalding said:If you tell the lie often enough, and forcefully enough, not only will you come to believe that it’s the truth, but they will, too.
There’s more to this than coercion – It’s conflation. He believes the world is an external representation of his internal mind. The purpose of this Tweet is to focus and encourage himself to stay true to his path – And if the most faithful of his true believers come along for the ride, that’s good, too.
Oh, yes, there’s more than a drop of self-delusion in there.
Having been ‘the boss’ (i.e. shielded by his immediate subordinates from the poor outcomes of his dickheaded decisions) for so long, he’s incapable of understanding that ANYTHING in the world doesn’t turn out exactly as he’d wish it to be.
part of it is the way of seeing the world is from commercial world and private enterprise, all sorts of cowboys get space there, but public office is an entirely different thing, done properly
transition said:
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:There’s more to this than coercion – It’s conflation. He believes the world is an external representation of his internal mind. The purpose of this Tweet is to focus and encourage himself to stay true to his path – And if the most faithful of his true believers come along for the ride, that’s good, too.
Oh, yes, there’s more than a drop of self-delusion in there.
Having been ‘the boss’ (i.e. shielded by his immediate subordinates from the poor outcomes of his dickheaded decisions) for so long, he’s incapable of understanding that ANYTHING in the world doesn’t turn out exactly as he’d wish it to be.
part of it is the way of seeing the world is from commercial world and private enterprise, all sorts of cowboys get space there, but public office is an entirely different thing, done properly
‘…done properly.’
A phrase of which Trump seems to have no knowledge.
maybe there https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/13813/
We’ll get to 8 figures tonight.
sibeen said:
We’ll get to 8 figures tonight.
You’re probably right. It will mean 1 million new cases in 7 days, I’m pretty sure I commented on reaching 9 million on Sunday last.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
We’ll get to 8 figures tonight.
You’re probably right. It will mean 1 million new cases in 7 days, I’m pretty sure I commented on reaching 9 million on Sunday last.
There was 194k new cases yesterday. Thank god many countries are easing restrictions.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
We’ll get to 8 figures tonight.
You’re probably right. It will mean 1 million new cases in 7 days, I’m pretty sure I commented on reaching 9 million on Sunday last.
There was 194k new cases yesterday. Thank god many countries are easing restrictions.
I think the Devil is making them do it.
ten moolion…… ten moolion. Do I hear ten moolion……….
Ten moolion going once……………. Ten moolion going twice……
raise hammer
Woodie said:
ten moolion…… ten moolion. Do I hear ten moolion……….Ten moolion going once……………. Ten moolion going twice……
raise hammer
The Economy Must Grow
An idea of how lethal Covid-19 is.
PermeateFree said:
An idea of how lethal Covid-19 is.
The UK death numbers are getting to be somewhere around the Blitz of 1940-41. The exact number is not known but estimated between 40,000-45,000.
PermeateFree said:
An idea of how lethal Covid-19 is.
ROFL.
Way to leave out stuff.
American Civil war + the Spanish Flu being two that come to mind.
sibeen said:
PermeateFree said:
An idea of how lethal Covid-19 is.
ROFL.
Way to leave out stuff.
American Civil war + the Spanish Flu being two that come to mind.
Which ever way you look at it, the US has lost a hell of a lot of people, PLUS it is still going!
PermeateFree said:
sibeen said:
PermeateFree said:
An idea of how lethal Covid-19 is.
ROFL.
Way to leave out stuff.
American Civil war + the Spanish Flu being two that come to mind.
Which ever way you look at it, the US has lost a hell of a lot of people, PLUS it is still going!
You have a strange sense of humor too.
Nice One
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dishonest-covidsafe-app-has-not-detected-a-case-despite-6-million-downloads-20200627-p556s7.html
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:
sibeen said:ROFL.
Way to leave out stuff.
American Civil war + the Spanish Flu being two that come to mind.
Which ever way you look at it, the US has lost a hell of a lot of people, PLUS it is still going!
You have a strange sense of humor too.
I find the politics, and that’s what that image is all about, to be absolutely humorous.
sibeen said:
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:Which ever way you look at it, the US has lost a hell of a lot of people, PLUS it is still going!
You have a strange sense of humor too.
I find the politics, and that’s what that image is all about, to be absolutely humorous.
The image in NOT about the politics, nor is it about history, it is about US deaths due to Covid-19 in comparison with other major events.
SCIENCE said:
Nice Onehttps://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dishonest-covidsafe-app-has-not-detected-a-case-despite-6-million-downloads-20200627-p556s7.html
Perhaps the infected people were only around for 10 minutes.
PermeateFree said:
sibeen said:
PermeateFree said:You have a strange sense of humor too.
I find the politics, and that’s what that image is all about, to be absolutely humorous.
The image in NOT about the politics, nor is it about history, it is about US deaths due to Covid-19 in comparison with other major events.
HAHAHAHAHA
This is the current flights over the US right now.
I think every single word they say about controlling the spread of Covid-19 is bullshit. I don’t know where this will end for them, but think >1mil dead and military enforcement are likely.
The response to Katrina is the joke of the emergency management world – This one’s not even over and we’re already doing jokes about it.
Trump has made it clear that the limits to the depravity of government remain unexplored. He’s an explorer, a pioneer, an innovator, and a expeditioner into the utter hopelessness of human contempt.
sibeen said:
PermeateFree said:
sibeen said:I find the politics, and that’s what that image is all about, to be absolutely humorous.
The image in NOT about the politics, nor is it about history, it is about US deaths due to Covid-19 in comparison with other major events.
HAHAHAHAHA
What’s your favourite tune then Mozart’s Requiem?
the country that reaches flock immunity first will have a tremendous strategic advantage over all other countries and then the winning can truly begin
SCIENCE said:
the country that reaches flock immunity first will have a tremendous strategic advantage over all other countries and then the winning can truly begin
that a facetious comment or what
PermeateFree said:
An idea of how lethal Covid-19 is.
Thanks for that. That’s about right.
The Hong Kong Flu vaccine arrived in the USA simultaneously with the virus in 1968, three months after the first case was found in Hong Kong.
If the vaccine hadn’t been so available so early, the death toll in the USA from Hong Kong Flu could have been similar to that from Covid-19. As it was, like Covid-19, the US death toll then was still the highest of any country in the world.
Worldometer now shows cases > 10 million and deaths > 500,000, with USA, Brazil and India showing no sign of slowing down.
Divine Angel said:
Luckily COVID is a virus…
poikilotherm said:
Divine Angel said:
Luckily COVID is a virus…
So how does mask effectiveness for viruses compare with bacteria?
“A 28-year-old Victorian man has been charged after allegedly crashing his car while drunk, disqualified and in breach of COVID-19 self-isolation orders in South Australia.”
“The driver recorded a blood-alcohol reading of 0.229 — more than four times the legal limit”
Another Covidiot. 0.229. Bloody!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-28/victorian-man-crashes-car-covid-sa/12400708
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
the country that reaches flock immunity first will have a tremendous strategic advantage over all other countries and then the winning can truly begin
that a facetious comment or what
so how did the Smallpox Shipments work for us then
The Rev Dodgson said:
poikilotherm said:
Divine Angel said:
Luckily COVID is a virus…
So how does mask effectiveness for viruses compare with bacteria?
well look if they’re going to get all technical and stuff, COVID is actually a viral infectious disease, so Them Rong, the virus is SARS-CoV-2 if we’re talking COVID-19 right
dv said:
what d’u mean, all lives have value, some lives have more monetary value than others,
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We don’t have the actual numbers so can’t tell you whether the 70s 80s or 90s is accurate or legit’ or what, but fine we have only their word.
But are we to conclude that noncompliance with testing leading to deaths and epidemic explosion is simply because people can’t be bothered blowing their nose as opposed to taking a spit?
…
Premier Daniel Andrews said he’d looked at the notion of making people pay for their own hotel quarantine, something a few of you have asked about.
“To make somebody pay for their own detention would be a truly unique arrangement, that is not something we use in any of our custodial facilities and not something that would withstand challenge,” he said.
“That would have saved the taxpayer $100 million, perhaps more … it is but a tiny fraction of what the risk would have been if we had allowed people to go back home with but a promise to do the right thing.”
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are we going to charge people for their own refusal to test and scoring an additional 2 weeks of serviced accommodation ¿
SCIENCE said:
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on hotel quarantine testing:
“I can report that everyone leaving hotel quarantine today has been tested. “I can also update you that in terms of the percentage of people in hotel quarantine who have not been tested – it’s not in the 70s. It’s much, much higher. We’ve been achieving well into the 80s. And the latest advice is as high as 85%. “I think that we will now move into a much easier phase, because the saliva test begins today, and I think what’s driven the reticence of some parents to have their often very small children tested, is that it is not a pleasant procedure, particularly for a small child.— —
We don’t have the actual numbers so can’t tell you whether the 70s 80s or 90s is accurate or legit’ or what, but fine we have only their word.
But are we to conclude that noncompliance with testing leading to deaths and epidemic explosion is simply because people can’t be bothered blowing their nose as opposed to taking a spit?
…
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on hotel quarantine testing:
“I can report that everyone leaving hotel quarantine today has been tested. “I can also update you that in terms of the percentage of people in hotel quarantine who have not been tested – it’s not in the 70s. It’s much, much higher. We’ve been achieving well into the 80s. And the latest advice is as high as 85%. “I think that we will now move into a much easier phase, because the saliva test begins today, and I think what’s driven the reticence of some parents to have their often very small children tested, is that it is not a pleasant procedure, particularly for a small child.— —
We don’t have the actual numbers so can’t tell you whether the 70s 80s or 90s is accurate or legit’ or what, but fine we have only their word.
But are we to conclude that noncompliance with testing leading to deaths and epidemic explosion is simply because people can’t be bothered blowing their nose as opposed to taking a spit?
…
Is that Daniel Andrews speaking or DT?
we did think that for a moment, if it was an accurate quote
not quite the same level of truth violation but yes the pattern
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on hotel quarantine testing:
“I can report that everyone leaving hotel quarantine today has been tested. “I can also update you that in terms of the percentage of people in hotel quarantine who have not been tested – it’s not in the 70s. It’s much, much higher. We’ve been achieving well into the 80s. And the latest advice is as high as 85%. “I think that we will now move into a much easier phase, because the saliva test begins today, and I think what’s driven the reticence of some parents to have their often very small children tested, is that it is not a pleasant procedure, particularly for a small child.— —
We don’t have the actual numbers so can’t tell you whether the 70s 80s or 90s is accurate or legit’ or what, but fine we have only their word.
But are we to conclude that noncompliance with testing leading to deaths and epidemic explosion is simply because people can’t be bothered blowing their nose as opposed to taking a spit?
…
Is that Daniel Andrews speaking or DT?we did think that for a moment, if it was an accurate quote
not quite the same level of truth violation but yes the pattern
SCIENCE said:
“..I think what’s driven the reticence of some parents to have their often very small children tested, is that it is not a pleasant procedure, particularly for a small child.
COVID-19 kills its victims via a number of methods, all of them involving a great deal of suffering.
Want to take a chance on that, as against sticking a swab up your kid’s nose for a few seconds?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:“..I think what’s driven the reticence of some parents to have their often very small children tested, is that it is not a pleasant procedure, particularly for a small child.
COVID-19 kills its victims via a number of methods, all of them involving a great deal of suffering.
Want to take a chance on that, as against sticking a swab up your kid’s nose for a few seconds?
I bribed Mini Me with McDonald’s for lunch. A friend bribed her 5 yr old with a new Hatchimal and a jelly bath bomb. Even so, Mini Me screamed the place down and I had her in a secure hold to keep her head straight.
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:“..I think what’s driven the reticence of some parents to have their often very small children tested, is that it is not a pleasant procedure, particularly for a small child.
COVID-19 kills its victims via a number of methods, all of them involving a great deal of suffering.
Want to take a chance on that, as against sticking a swab up your kid’s nose for a few seconds?
I bribed Mini Me with McDonald’s for lunch. A friend bribed her 5 yr old with a new Hatchimal and a jelly bath bomb. Even so, Mini Me screamed the place down and I had her in a secure hold to keep her head straight.
dv said:
Perfect!
Tamb said:
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:COVID-19 kills its victims via a number of methods, all of them involving a great deal of suffering.
Want to take a chance on that, as against sticking a swab up your kid’s nose for a few seconds?
I bribed Mini Me with McDonald’s for lunch. A friend bribed her 5 yr old with a new Hatchimal and a jelly bath bomb. Even so, Mini Me screamed the place down and I had her in a secure hold to keep her head straight.
Why? Does it rotate?
imagine if immunisation hurt so much that people preferred catching smallpox, poliomyelitis, or autism
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
Divine Angel said:I bribed Mini Me with McDonald’s for lunch. A friend bribed her 5 yr old with a new Hatchimal and a jelly bath bomb. Even so, Mini Me screamed the place down and I had her in a secure hold to keep her head straight.
Why? Does it rotate?imagine if immunisation hurt so much that people preferred catching smallpox, poliomyelitis, or autism
What if there was a vaccine against autims but it might give you measles…
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
Divine Angel said:I bribed Mini Me with McDonald’s for lunch. A friend bribed her 5 yr old with a new Hatchimal and a jelly bath bomb. Even so, Mini Me screamed the place down and I had her in a secure hold to keep her head straight.
Why? Does it rotate?imagine if immunisation hurt so much that people preferred catching smallpox, poliomyelitis, or autism
With daily case numbers again in the double digits, the Victorian Government has announced a new testing blitz … a novel approach, but far from an anomaly given steps being taken in other countries.
What can we learn from China?
Professor McLaws, who describes Australia’s response to mass testing as “reactive rather than proactive”, believes there are lessons to be learnt from the international experience: “Hot spots should be ring-fenced and tested,” she says.
In Wuhan, officials set up more than 230 testing booths in neighbourhoods across the city, combing through areas such as construction sites and markets for those not yet tested.
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Hey hey what’s this ¿ Fire a few ABC staff for political reasons and all of a sudden we have fan-rainbowing all over autocratic human-rights-violating neighbouring countries that protect their citizens from pandemics murder and disappear 80% of their own people all the time ¿
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:Why? Does it rotate?
imagine if immunisation hurt so much that people preferred catching smallpox, poliomyelitis, or autism
What if there was a vaccine against autims but it might give you measles…
Us! Us! We’d rather have acquired brain injury from measles encephalitis than be autistic!
What if there was a vaccine against measles but it might give you autism? There’s a trolley problem question for you.
dv said:
I had a person not wearing a mask telling me to adjust my mask to cover my nose.
Like a nudist advising a person wearing a bikini on the moral inadvisability of going topless.
World new cases. China is just a blip on the graph now. I can’t help wondering how it compares with the spread of rabbit calicivirus.
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
I had a person not wearing a mask telling me to adjust my mask to cover my nose.
Like a nudist advising a person wearing a bikini on the moral inadvisability of going topless.World new cases. China is just a blip on the graph now. I can’t help wondering how it compares with the spread of rabbit calicivirus.
The rabbits went for herd immunity …
poikilotherm said:
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
I had a person not wearing a mask telling me to adjust my mask to cover my nose.
Like a nudist advising a person wearing a bikini on the moral inadvisability of going topless.World new cases. China is just a blip on the graph now. I can’t help wondering how it compares with the spread of rabbit calicivirus.
The rabbits went for herd immunity …
And how did that pan out for them then…..
;)
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
mollwollfumble said:I had a person not wearing a mask telling me to adjust my mask to cover my nose.
Like a nudist advising a person wearing a bikini on the moral inadvisability of going topless.World new cases. China is just a blip on the graph now. I can’t help wondering how it compares with the spread of rabbit calicivirus.
The rabbits went for herd immunity …
And how did that pan out for them then…..
;)
Pretty good, they needed another novel one recently to reduce the population
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:The rabbits went for herd immunity …
And how did that pan out for them then…..
;)
Pretty good, they needed another novel one recently to reduce the population
Well there you go then! Whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
To give sibeen a giggle. Now 10 million people have caught Covid-19 and over half a million have died.
