By way of comparison, here’s what the rankings looked like back on the 26th of March when Italy was number 2 and Russia and India were way down the list at numbers 38 and 41.

Don’t Worry, There’s Still Time To Be The Winner

India continues to ease lockdowns despite increasing cases

Prime Minister Narendra Modi says India must focus on bolstering the economy as it exits the lockdown phase, even as the number of coronavirus cases continues to climb. On Sunday, India reported additional 19,906 confirmed cases, taking the total to 528,859 with 16,095 deaths.

Russia has the third-highest coronavirus infection case count in the world, after the US and Brazil. But it has reported far fewer deaths than many countries with smaller infection case counts, leading to speculation that figures are manipulated which Russian officials vehemently deny.

Remember when news about some government lying about case counts and withholding information that might have prepared the rest of the world against a pandemic, was half of all headlines ¿

SCIENCE said:

Don’t Worry, There’s Still Time To Be The Winner

India continues to ease lockdowns despite increasing cases

Prime Minister Narendra Modi says India must focus on bolstering the economy as it exits the lockdown phase, even as the number of coronavirus cases continues to climb. On Sunday, India reported additional 19,906 confirmed cases, taking the total to 528,859 with 16,095 deaths.

Russia has the third-highest coronavirus infection case count in the world, after the US and Brazil. But it has reported far fewer deaths than many countries with smaller infection case counts, leading to speculation that figures are manipulated which Russian officials vehemently deny.

Remember when news about some government lying about case counts and withholding information that might have prepared the rest of the world against a pandemic, was half of all headlines ¿

Singapore. Yes.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Don’t Worry, There’s Still Time To Be The Winner

India continues to ease lockdowns despite increasing cases

Prime Minister Narendra Modi says India must focus on bolstering the economy as it exits the lockdown phase, even as the number of coronavirus cases continues to climb. On Sunday, India reported additional 19,906 confirmed cases, taking the total to 528,859 with 16,095 deaths.

Russia has the third-highest coronavirus infection case count in the world, after the US and Brazil. But it has reported far fewer deaths than many countries with smaller infection case counts, leading to speculation that figures are manipulated which Russian officials vehemently deny.

Remember when news about some government lying about case counts and withholding information that might have prepared the rest of the world against a pandemic, was half of all headlines ¿

Singapore. Yes.

We Treat Our Migrant Workers, Well We Do When They Get Sick Enough

Current info, sorted by deaths per 1 million population. The UK is trying to get top spot. Still room for more deaths in some countries.

Governments Find Ways To Reduce Economic Load Of Overpaying Healthcare Workers

On 9 March, a patient who had recently traveled to Europe and had symptoms of COVID-19 visited the emergency department of St. Augustine’s, a private hospital in Durban, South Africa. Eight weeks later, 39 patients and 80 staff linked to the hospital had been infected, and 15 patients had died—fully half the death toll in KwaZulu-Natal province at that time.

Australian Federal and State governments, learning from this experience, promised travellers from overseas that despite best-evidenced-practice, and the incentive of an additional 2 weeks of subsidised inner-city hotel accommodation if they refuse testing, they would not be forced to undergo the very slightly invasive experience of having a nose and throat tickle (even though a similar level of enjoyment could be derived from the pleasure of rapidly downing a very effervescent glass of champagne or other sparkling wine, as they might well do during their mandatory holiday quarantine period).

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/study-tells-remarkable-story-about-covid-19-s-deadly-rampage-through-south-african

https://www.krisp.org.za/manuscripts/StAugustinesHospitalOutbreakInvestigation_FinalReport_15may2020_comp.pdf

What with global warming and these new findings, at least we won’t have to worry about this

Worldwide cutaneous manifestations of coronavirus disease known as pernio-like, pseudo-chilblain, acute acro-ischemia, and “COVID toes,” were associated with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), often occurred later during the course of COVID-19

Two case question a direct association between COVID-19 and acral lesions. None of the patients tested positive for COVID-19 by nasopharyngeal swab and reverse transcriptase–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) for SARS-CoV-2, nor were SARS-CoV-2–specific immunoglobulin (Ig) M or IgG antibodies detected. In both studies, extensive testing failed to identify other risk factors for these acral lesions, and author groups propose that lifestyle changes imposed by the quarantine, such as walking barefoot in unheated homes, inactivity, and time spent in sedentary positions, could explain these findings.

doi:10.1001/jamadermatol.2020.2062

In the USSA, insulin costs 50 times what it does for Australians. Let’s make sure their country is greater than ever.

COVID-19, is there any organ it can’t fkup¿

Evidence from tissue studies and some people with COVID-19 shows that the virus damages insulin-producing cells.

Gnadt, an 18-year-old student from Kiel, Germany, learnt that he had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus despite feeling well. Gnadt thought he had endured the infection unscathed, but days later, he started to feel worn out and exceedingly thirsty. In early May, he was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, and his physician, Tim Hollstein at the University Hospital Schleswig-Holstein in Kiel, suggested that the sudden onset might be linked to the viral infection.

Now Zimmet is among a growing number of researchers who think that diabetes doesn’t just make people more vulnerable to the coronavirus, but that the virus might also trigger diabetes in some. But other researchers are cautious about such suggestions. “We need to keep an eye on diabetes rates in those with prior COVID-19, and determine if rates go up over and above expected levels,” says Naveed Sattar, a metabolic-disease researcher at the University of Glasgow, UK.

The virus also attacked pancreatic organoids that had been transplanted into mice, and cells in liver organoids. The liver is important for storing and releasing sugar into the blood stream when it senses insulin. There could be more going on than some scientists suggest, says Shane Grey, an immunologist at the Garvan Institute of Medical Research in Sydney, Australia.

doi: 10.1038/d41586-020-01891-8

SCIENCE said:

In the USSA, insulin costs 50 times what it does for Australians. Let’s make sure their country is greater than ever.

COVID-19, is there any organ it can’t fkup¿

Evidence from tissue studies and some people with COVID-19 shows that the virus damages insulin-producing cells.

Gnadt, an 18-year-old student from Kiel, Germany, learnt that he had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus despite feeling well. Gnadt thought he had endured the infection unscathed, but days later, he started to feel worn out and exceedingly thirsty. In early May, he was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, and his physician, Tim Hollstein at the University Hospital Schleswig-Holstein in Kiel, suggested that the sudden onset might be linked to the viral infection.

Now Zimmet is among a growing number of researchers who think that diabetes doesn’t just make people more vulnerable to the coronavirus, but that the virus might also trigger diabetes in some. But other researchers are cautious about such suggestions. “We need to keep an eye on diabetes rates in those with prior COVID-19, and determine if rates go up over and above expected levels,” says Naveed Sattar, a metabolic-disease researcher at the University of Glasgow, UK.

The virus also attacked pancreatic organoids that had been transplanted into mice, and cells in liver organoids. The liver is important for storing and releasing sugar into the blood stream when it senses insulin. There could be more going on than some scientists suggest, says Shane Grey, an immunologist at the Garvan Institute of Medical Research in Sydney, Australia.

doi: 10.1038/d41586-020-01891-8

There’s ACE2 receptors in all sorts of places.

“second wave” is my word du jour.

I can’t wait!! The media are just itchin’ for it to happen.

Come on everybody. Repeat after me.

“second wave”

There… it wasn’t that hard was it.

And again……

“second wave”…..

Come on…. when are we gunna get the “second wave”?

“second wave”

Woodie said:

“second wave” is my word du jour.

I can’t wait!! The media are just itchin’ for it to happen.

Come on everybody. Repeat after me.

“second wave”

There… it wasn’t that hard was it.

And again……

“second wave”…..

Come on…. when are we gunna get the “second wave”?

“second wave”

Off to the cricket with you – it’s “Mexican Wave”.

Woodie said:

“second wave” is my word du jour.

I can’t wait!! The media are just itchin’ for it to happen.

Come on everybody. Repeat after me.

“second wave”

There… it wasn’t that hard was it.

And again……

“second wave”…..

Come on…. when are we gunna get the “second wave”?

“second wave”

First wave

Second wave

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

“second wave” is my word du jour.

I can’t wait!! The media are just itchin’ for it to happen.

Come on everybody. Repeat after me.

“second wave”

There… it wasn’t that hard was it.

And again……

“second wave”…..

Come on…. when are we gunna get the “second wave”?

“second wave”

First wave

Second wave

LOLz.

:)

We’ve seen all sorts of stats on the virus and comparisons with the flu. Have we investigated the growth in numbers on say; domestic violence, suicides, community aggression, petty crime?

roughbarked said:

We’ve seen all sorts of stats on the virus and comparisons with the flu. Have we investigated the growth in numbers on say; domestic violence, suicides, community aggression, petty crime?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/25/our-suicide-research-is-clear-australia-needs-more-urgent-action-to-address-the-covid-19-fallout

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

We’ve seen all sorts of stats on the virus and comparisons with the flu. Have we investigated the growth in numbers on say; domestic violence, suicides, community aggression, petty crime?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/25/our-suicide-research-is-clear-australia-needs-more-urgent-action-to-address-the-covid-19-fallout

Commonwealth Government National Partnership Agreement
$130 million Commonwealth funding under the National Partnership Agreement (NPA)
COVID-19 Domestic and Family Violence Responses will be provided to states and
territories in four phases.
In phase one, Western Australia received an upfront payment of $3.1 million which was
distributed to 45 Department of Communities’ (Communities) specialist family and domestic
violence organisations delivering a range of FDV services. Under the NPA, services can
utilise funding across the four priority areas endorsed by the Commonwealth Women’s
Safety Council:
1. Increase Safe at Home capacity, including a Safe at Home program specifically
designed for Aboriginal women and children in the metropolitan area
2. Perpetrator case management and coordination
3. Brokerage and accommodation
4. Child advocacy and support
Priority areas for funding for phases two to four under the NPA will be considered by the
Women’s Safety Council at its June meeting. Western Australia received $545,000 of the
$4.7 million contingency fund in June 2020 in phase two and will receive $3.391 million in
phase three. This represents WA’s share of the 30 per cent demand driven fund, however
it is unknown at this point in time the amount of funding to be allocated in phase four.
Workstreams are contributing to Commonwealth funding project plans to identify areas of
future service demand and sector need. This ensures Commonwealth investment is
distributed to where it is most needed and that the sector is resourced to respond effectively

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

We’ve seen all sorts of stats on the virus and comparisons with the flu. Have we investigated the growth in numbers on say; domestic violence, suicides, community aggression, petty crime?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/25/our-suicide-research-is-clear-australia-needs-more-urgent-action-to-address-the-covid-19-fallout

Commonwealth Government National Partnership Agreement
$130 million Commonwealth funding under the National Partnership Agreement (NPA)
COVID-19 Domestic and Family Violence Responses will be provided to states and
territories in four phases.
In phase one, Western Australia received an upfront payment of $3.1 million which was
distributed to 45 Department of Communities’ (Communities) specialist family and domestic
violence organisations delivering a range of FDV services. Under the NPA, services can
utilise funding across the four priority areas endorsed by the Commonwealth Women’s
Safety Council:
1. Increase Safe at Home capacity, including a Safe at Home program specifically
designed for Aboriginal women and children in the metropolitan area
2. Perpetrator case management and coordination
3. Brokerage and accommodation
4. Child advocacy and support
Priority areas for funding for phases two to four under the NPA will be considered by the
Women’s Safety Council at its June meeting. Western Australia received $545,000 of the
$4.7 million contingency fund in June 2020 in phase two and will receive $3.391 million in
phase three. This represents WA’s share of the 30 per cent demand driven fund, however
it is unknown at this point in time the amount of funding to be allocated in phase four.
Workstreams are contributing to Commonwealth funding project plans to identify areas of
future service demand and sector need. This ensures Commonwealth investment is
distributed to where it is most needed and that the sector is resourced to respond effectively

This was part of an email we were sent at work, the link is below its for WA but I imagine it would be similar across all states

https://www.communities.wa.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19/family-and-domestic-violence-covid-19/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466885/Man-53-led-protests-against-Maryland-lockdown-tests-positive-coronavirus.html

Man, 53, who led protests against Maryland lockdown while refusing to wear a mask tests positive for coronavirus and says he won’t help with contact tracing efforts

The co-founder of ReOpen Maryland, who organized rallies to pressure Gov. Larry Hogan to lift the state’s stay-at-home order, has tested positive for COVID

Tim Walters, a former Republican candidate for the General Assembly, said that he had a dry cough for months but it recently worsened

He said he then began to experience an excruciating headache, a fever and the inability to focus with one of his eyes, which led to vertigo

Walters, 53, a diabetic who has had mini-strokes, said he went to an emergency room Monday and was diagnosed with the virus

 ‘Here I am months after not wearing a mask at rallies, churches and so on, and so it’s funny how capricious this thing is,’ he said in a Facebook video

Walters said he doesn’t plan to provide health officials with the people he’s had close contact with for the contact tracing program

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466885/Man-53-led-protests-against-Maryland-lockdown-tests-positive-coronavirus.html

Man, 53, who led protests against Maryland lockdown while refusing to wear a mask tests positive for coronavirus and says he won’t help with contact tracing efforts

The co-founder of ReOpen Maryland, who organized rallies to pressure Gov. Larry Hogan to lift the state’s stay-at-home order, has tested positive for COVID

Tim Walters, a former Republican candidate for the General Assembly, said that he had a dry cough for months but it recently worsened

He said he then began to experience an excruciating headache, a fever and the inability to focus with one of his eyes, which led to vertigo

Walters, 53, a diabetic who has had mini-strokes, said he went to an emergency room Monday and was diagnosed with the virus

 ‘Here I am months after not wearing a mask at rallies, churches and so on, and so it’s funny how capricious this thing is,’ he said in a Facebook video

Walters said he doesn’t plan to provide health officials with the people he’s had close contact with for the contact tracing program

Some mothers do have-em.

Michael V said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466885/Man-53-led-protests-against-Maryland-lockdown-tests-positive-coronavirus.html

Man, 53, who led protests against Maryland lockdown while refusing to wear a mask tests positive for coronavirus and says he won’t help with contact tracing efforts

The co-founder of ReOpen Maryland, who organized rallies to pressure Gov. Larry Hogan to lift the state’s stay-at-home order, has tested positive for COVID

Tim Walters, a former Republican candidate for the General Assembly, said that he had a dry cough for months but it recently worsened

He said he then began to experience an excruciating headache, a fever and the inability to focus with one of his eyes, which led to vertigo

Walters, 53, a diabetic who has had mini-strokes, said he went to an emergency room Monday and was diagnosed with the virus

 ‘Here I am months after not wearing a mask at rallies, churches and so on, and so it’s funny how capricious this thing is,’ he said in a Facebook video

Walters said he doesn’t plan to provide health officials with the people he’s had close contact with for the contact tracing program

Some mothers do have-em.

Tim “Betty, the cat did a whoopsie on the carpet”

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466885/Man-53-led-protests-against-Maryland-lockdown-tests-positive-coronavirus.html

Man, 53, who led protests against Maryland lockdown while refusing to wear a mask tests positive for coronavirus and says he won’t help with contact tracing efforts

The co-founder of ReOpen Maryland, who organized rallies to pressure Gov. Larry Hogan to lift the state’s stay-at-home order, has tested positive for COVID

Tim Walters, a former Republican candidate for the General Assembly, said that he had a dry cough for months but it recently worsened

He said he then began to experience an excruciating headache, a fever and the inability to focus with one of his eyes, which led to vertigo

Walters, 53, a diabetic who has had mini-strokes, said he went to an emergency room Monday and was diagnosed with the virus

 ‘Here I am months after not wearing a mask at rallies, churches and so on, and so it’s funny how capricious this thing is,’ he said in a Facebook video

Walters said he doesn’t plan to provide health officials with the people he’s had close contact with for the contact tracing program

Nothing personal against this bloke, but I kinda hope he dies, for the sake of an example to others as to what can happen through sheer dumbfuckery.

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466885/Man-53-led-protests-against-Maryland-lockdown-tests-positive-coronavirus.html

Man, 53, who led protests against Maryland lockdown while refusing to wear a mask tests positive for coronavirus and says he won’t help with contact tracing efforts

The co-founder of ReOpen Maryland, who organized rallies to pressure Gov. Larry Hogan to lift the state’s stay-at-home order, has tested positive for COVID

Tim Walters, a former Republican candidate for the General Assembly, said that he had a dry cough for months but it recently worsened

He said he then began to experience an excruciating headache, a fever and the inability to focus with one of his eyes, which led to vertigo

Walters, 53, a diabetic who has had mini-strokes, said he went to an emergency room Monday and was diagnosed with the virus

 ‘Here I am months after not wearing a mask at rallies, churches and so on, and so it’s funny how capricious this thing is,’ he said in a Facebook video

Walters said he doesn’t plan to provide health officials with the people he’s had close contact with for the contact tracing program

Nothing personal against this bloke, but I kinda hope he dies, for the sake of an example to others as to what can happen through sheer dumbfuckery.

I wonder if he could be charged with hindering an investigation by not providing information

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466885/Man-53-led-protests-against-Maryland-lockdown-tests-positive-coronavirus.html

Man, 53, who led protests against Maryland lockdown while refusing to wear a mask tests positive for coronavirus and says he won’t help with contact tracing efforts

The co-founder of ReOpen Maryland, who organized rallies to pressure Gov. Larry Hogan to lift the state’s stay-at-home order, has tested positive for COVID

Tim Walters, a former Republican candidate for the General Assembly, said that he had a dry cough for months but it recently worsened

He said he then began to experience an excruciating headache, a fever and the inability to focus with one of his eyes, which led to vertigo

Walters, 53, a diabetic who has had mini-strokes, said he went to an emergency room Monday and was diagnosed with the virus

 ‘Here I am months after not wearing a mask at rallies, churches and so on, and so it’s funny how capricious this thing is,’ he said in a Facebook video

Walters said he doesn’t plan to provide health officials with the people he’s had close contact with for the contact tracing program

Nothing personal against this bloke, but I kinda hope he dies, for the sake of an example to others as to what can happen through sheer dumbfuckery.

I wonder if he could be charged with hindering an investigation by not providing information

Really they should lock him down in a secure facility somewhere. Covid Tim.

Michael V said:

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

75!!!

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

75!!!

It’s not looking good.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

75!!!

Due to close contact within families.
I know someone in Australia (distant relative) who caught coronavirus from partner who caught it on the Ruby Princess.

That’s why I wear a facemask when I sleep at night, when I share the TV room, and when I drive with someone.

What! You mean you don’t?

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

75!!!

Due to close contact within families.
I know someone in Australia (distant relative) who caught coronavirus from partner who caught it on the Ruby Princess.

That’s why I wear a facemask when I sleep at night, when I share the TV room, and when I drive with someone.

What! You mean you don’t?

No. I don’t know anyone who was on the Ruby Princess.

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

$750 + $550 per fortnight.

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

75!!!

It’s not looking good.

It’s a good thing no one listened to Jeff Kennett.

Bogsnorkler said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

$750 + $550 per fortnight.

Next month it will be $1500

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

75!!!

It’s not looking good.

It’s a good thing no one listened to Jeff Kennett.

Why, what did he say? I have not heard.

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

Yes. I got $750. And there is supposed to be another payment around the corner. However…it does seem like a lot of what the Aus govt offers no one qualifies for.

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

“Generosity” has nothing to do with it. It isn’t their money.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s not looking good.

It’s a good thing no one listened to Jeff Kennett.

Why, what did he say? I have not heard.

A couple/few weeks ago Kennett was demanding that the border between Tassie and Vic be opened. And Football.

Have we had the second wave yet?

Woodie said:

Have we had the second wave yet?

Mexico is still in first wave.

sarahs mum said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

Yes. I got $750. And there is supposed to be another payment around the corner. However…it does seem like a lot of what the Aus govt offers no one qualifies for.

I also got $750.. and have been promised the second $750.

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Have we had the second wave yet?

Mexico is still in first wave.

it just keeps going around and around, but the members don’t participate usually.

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Most of the stimulus in the US has gone to major companies. Human beings received one-off cheques valued up to $1200.: Australia’s support for “our people” has involved payments over a six month period valued at approximately $5000 over and above ordinary entitlements.

hth

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

My business has received $750 per fortnight. My wife has received about the same.

dv said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

My business has received $750 per fortnight. My wife has received about the same.

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

I have personally not received any stimulus from the government as a result of the pandemic. I will, however, claim my 80 cents, or whatever it is, for working from home for a period of time…

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Cymek said:

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

My business has received $750 per fortnight. My wife has received about the same.

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

Need has nothing to do with it, it’s about blowing it on beer lollies chocolate and cooked chooks and large TVs.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Cymek said:

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

My business has received $750 per fortnight. My wife has received about the same.

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

Neither I nor my business have received any regular payment.

Which is perfectly reasonable since I currently have the most paid work I’ve had for about 5 years.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Cymek said:

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

My business has received $750 per fortnight. My wife has received about the same.

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

I suppose inasmuch as its meant I can continue with fixed costs of the business while there’s an interruption in revenue. I’m not an apologist for the govt but I believe the purpose is so that as restrictions ease, the economy can resume as per normal without inefficient disruption due to closures and job losses.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

My business has received $750 per fortnight. My wife has received about the same.

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

Neither I nor my business have received any regular payment.

Which is perfectly reasonable since I currently have the most paid work I’ve had for about 5 years.

So it’s well targeted then.

Woodie said:

Have we had the second wave yet?

The members refuse to stand for it.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

My business has received $750 per fortnight. My wife has received about the same.

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

I suppose inasmuch as its meant I can continue with fixed costs of the business while there’s an interruption in revenue. I’m not an apologist for the govt but I believe the purpose is so that as restrictions ease, the economy can resume as per normal without inefficient disruption due to closures and job losses.

Fair enough, I’m just a bit surprised that the virus interrupted normal operation of your particular business.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

I suppose inasmuch as its meant I can continue with fixed costs of the business while there’s an interruption in revenue. I’m not an apologist for the govt but I believe the purpose is so that as restrictions ease, the economy can resume as per normal without inefficient disruption due to closures and job losses.

Fair enough, I’m just a bit surprised that the virus interrupted normal operation of your particular business.

The travel shut downs have slowed down a lot of civil work.

At present I am expecting a gig to be starting in August, and the tax I pay on that will more than cover the government’s largesse during the interim.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

And in what sense have you actually needed this money?

Neither I nor my business have received any regular payment.

Which is perfectly reasonable since I currently have the most paid work I’ve had for about 5 years.

So it’s well targeted then.

In my case yes.

It seems to me that in many respects the payments have not been well targeted.

For instance, while I’m happy to see increased expenditure on infrastructure, since that’s my area of work, I really can’t see that that is where the greatest need is.

Other than infrastructure to reduce long-term GHG emissions, which has not received much funding, AFAIK.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I suppose inasmuch as its meant I can continue with fixed costs of the business while there’s an interruption in revenue. I’m not an apologist for the govt but I believe the purpose is so that as restrictions ease, the economy can resume as per normal without inefficient disruption due to closures and job losses.

Fair enough, I’m just a bit surprised that the virus interrupted normal operation of your particular business.

The travel shut downs have slowed down a lot of civil work.

At present I am expecting a gig to be starting in August, and the tax I pay on that will more than cover the government’s largesse during the interim.

Jolly good, carry on.

The Jobkeeper payment is available to all employers who have had a 30% or more reduction in revenue due to Covid-19.

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

Woodie said:

Have we had the second wave yet?

I think you consume different media from me.

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

They can always apply for a job at their local service station.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

They can always apply for a job at their local service station.

People can afford fuel now with the prices so low.

Bogsnorkler said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Straw poll.
Do you think we should be as generous to our people as say Trump is or do you think we’re about right.

Stimulus as a GDP percentage

Anyone here gotten anything, I’ve got sod all

$750 + $550 per fortnight.

Mr buffy got the $750.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

They can always apply for a job at their local service station.

In the olden days people used to open tobacconist shops.

Plenty of hydrocarbons on Titan, but why? SciAm takes up the story.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/methane-on-mars-titan/

Looks like our caravan park has just been re-opened. School holidays are in evidence – “foreigners” (not locals) at the bakery just now. They all used the hand sanitiser at the door.

dv said:

The Jobkeeper payment is available to all employers who have had a 30% or more reduction in revenue due to Covid-19.

I was talking about other stimulus measures, targeted at specific industries, and the lack of support for “casual” employees.

And Mr buffy has spent his $750 this morning. Bought a self propelled mower. The rideon has gone down to the local bloke who sells such things for a commission. So I guess he’ll get money for that at some point. Also dropped off the red Mazda with the dealer. Mr buffy has just given the dealer his bank details because the guy wants the money out of the business account before end of financial year. (We’ve known this guy for many, many years. He’s independent now, selling affordable second hand cars. But he has supplied good new cars for me previously – including my present Suzuki, just before he went indie. If there is someone in the car business to trust, this one is a good one)

buffy said:

And Mr buffy has spent his $750 this morning. Bought a self propelled mower. The rideon has gone down to the local bloke who sells such things for a commission. So I guess he’ll get money for that at some point. Also dropped off the red Mazda with the dealer. Mr buffy has just given the dealer his bank details because the guy wants the money out of the business account before end of financial year. (We’ve known this guy for many, many years. He’s independent now, selling affordable second hand cars. But he has supplied good new cars for me previously – including my present Suzuki, just before he went indie. If there is someone in the car business to trust, this one is a good one)

>>Bought a self propelled mower.

So it’s come to that, sad.

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

What do you do now?

Michael V said:

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

What do you do now?

Call him, call him now.

Michael V said:

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

What do you do now?

Geophysical support for tunnel design, primarily.

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

What do you do now?

Geophysical support for tunnel design, primarily.

Just mining, or do you get involved with all the tunnelling in Sydney/Melbourne these days?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

What do you do now?

Geophysical support for tunnel design, primarily.

Just mining, or do you get involved with all the tunnelling in Sydney/Melbourne these days?

I haven’t won any work on the East sayeed.

“a staff member from Lifeblood Red Cross processing facility in the CBD have both been diagnosed with coronavirus.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I have to admit that my future prospects appear better than colleagues who stayed in the hydrocarbon game as the oil price is not projected to beat $50 a barrel by the end of 2021. Most of my old muckers are saying “well that’s it for me”.

What do you do now?

Geophysical support for tunnel design, primarily.

Oh. Good one. Well done!

:)

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

What do you do now?

Geophysical support for tunnel design, primarily.

Just mining, or do you get involved with all the tunnelling in Sydney/Melbourne these days?

My brother (civil) was involved in some tunnelling projects in Italy and Thailand in the last couple of years.
He’s changed jobs again now though.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Geophysical support for tunnel design, primarily.

Just mining, or do you get involved with all the tunnelling in Sydney/Melbourne these days?

My brother (civil) was involved in some tunnelling projects in Italy and Thailand in the last couple of years.
He’s changed jobs again now though.

Is this the rich one that has a swimming pool and room for a pony?

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just mining, or do you get involved with all the tunnelling in Sydney/Melbourne these days?

My brother (civil) was involved in some tunnelling projects in Italy and Thailand in the last couple of years.
He’s changed jobs again now though.

Is this the rich one that has a swimming pool and room for a pony?

No, this is the poor one who at one stage told his boss he wished to only work 4 days a week and my goodness he must be good at his job…they said, yes, but we will still pay you the same. The rich one has outstripped the rest of us put together and then mulitiplied it by 2 or 3 times. So yes, you can work it out. R is a civil engineer, so not poorly paid. G is a finance worker and is extremely well paid, around 4 times the engineer.

:)

buffy said:

R is a civil engineer, so not poorly paid. G is a finance worker and is extremely well paid, around 4 times the engineer.

:)

Surely that should be a :(

:)

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

R is a civil engineer, so not poorly paid. G is a finance worker and is extremely well paid, around 4 times the engineer.

:)

Surely that should be a :(

:)

+1

:)

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

75!!!

probably not 10^{717168293621480602782123962288204190310791600995322671247} cases really

oh well at least there’s some good news

and not so good

(statistics representative only for NSW, not NSC / NSS)

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria is experiencing a “concerning” upward trend in coronavirus, with 75 new cases identified overnight.

The total number of cases in Victoria since the pandemic began now stands at 2,099.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

75!!!

probably not 10^{717168293621480602782123962288204190310791600995322671247} cases really

Ha!

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

75!!!

probably not 10^{717168293621480602782123962288204190310791600995322671247} cases really

Ha!

Probably not; the triple factorial, n!!!, is the product of n and all integers between n and 1 that are congruent to 0 mod 3 (ie, n(n-3)(n-6)…) So 75!!! is 75×72×69×66… = 13142471588392206890177483046912000000.

and now the bad

Ambulance Victoria paramedic has tested positive for coronavirus.

“It’s just the second time since the start of the pandemic that a paramedic has returned a positive test. In neither case was COVID-19 acquired on the job. “‘Paramedics wear personal protective equipment to every case they attend to protect their patients and themselves from the risk of infection,’ Mr Walker said.”

South Australia records three new cases of coronavirus in travellers returned from India

its first new cases of coronavirus in more than a month

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/three-new-coronavirus-cases-in-south-australia/12402344

there will be a huge healthcare expenditure and burden for individuals who have survived

But obviously much less than the unsurvivable hit to the economy (Which Must Grow) if countries had gotten their shit together and limited spread to a few hundred or thousand early.

Current scientific literature showed about half of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had neurological complications, such as dizziness, decreased alertness, difficulty concentrating, disorders of smell and taste, seizures, strokes, weakness and muscle pain.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/health-problems-caused-by-covid-19/12402852

SCIENCE said:

oh well at least there’s some good news

and not so good

(statistics representative only for NSW, not NSC / NSS)

Top graph needs a title. I presume it’s flu.

SCIENCE: Have you seen this?

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-05-2020.pdf

And this?

http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2_sel.cfm

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

Insane.

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

India should not be on the list, they are still in a growth phase and have not flattened their line yet. A few others are marginal at best, Turkey for example.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

India should not be on the list, they are still in a growth phase and have not flattened their line yet. A few others are marginal at best, Turkey for example.

Indonesia is just taking off.

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

They stick with that list and there will be a second wave. There are some very poorly performing (COVID-19 suppression) countries on it.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

India should not be on the list, they are still in a growth phase and have not flattened their line yet. A few others are marginal at best, Turkey for example.

Dell man told me today that with the easing of restriction, they now simply have a curfew. This means that people can do whatever they like until 9pm.

Family pie with vegies. Found this on the cooking instructions for the pie. Apparently this is who we have become:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

Insane.

So people from these countries don’t have to do quarantine?
Heard on the wireless that quarantine comes from Serbia or that area and it means 40 days, the time that people had to spend in isolation before they were allowed in towns when there were plagues.
I fell a bit like Booker T Washington, you know….educating people.

Rule 303 said:

Family pie with vegies. Found this on the cooking instructions for the pie. Apparently this is who we have become:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

India should not be on the list, they are still in a growth phase and have not flattened their line yet. A few others are marginal at best, Turkey for example.

Indonesia is just taking off.

Aye.

I wouldn’t have considered Ukraine to be past the worst either.

Rule 303 said:

Family pie with vegies. Found this on the cooking instructions for the pie. Apparently this is who we have become:

Nothing wrong with a frozen pie washed down with a glass of tank water now and then

Rule 303 said:

Family pie with vegies. Found this on the cooking instructions for the pie. Apparently this is who we have become:

slow down, egghead

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Starting July 1, the Schengen zone will start opening up to international travellers from 54 countries, per this draft

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/draft-list-of-countries-permitted-to-enter-eu-when-borders-reopen-on-july-1/

Nationals of the following countries are listed in this draft list:

Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Australia
Bahamas
Bhutan
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
China
Costa Rica
Cuba
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Dominica
Egypt
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Lebanon
Mauritius
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Palau
Paraguay
Rwanda
Saint Lucia
Serbia
South Korea
Tajikistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Zambia

—-

I wonder whether travel within Schengen is completely open now. For instance, Sweden is still chalking up 1000 new cases per day on average, and Portugal doesn’t seem to have matters well in hand.

Insane.

So people from these countries don’t have to do quarantine?
Heard on the wireless that quarantine comes from Serbia or that area and it means 40 days, the time that people had to spend in isolation before they were allowed in towns when there were plagues.
I fell a bit like Booker T Washington, you know….educating people.

That post was quite a rollercoaster

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Family pie with vegies. Found this on the cooking instructions for the pie. Apparently this is who we have become:

He’s been licking toads again.

poikilotherm said:

Nice.

buffy said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

oh well at least there’s some good news

and not so good

(statistics representative only for NSW, not NSC / NSS)

Top graph needs a title. I presume it’s flu.

SCIENCE: Have you seen this?

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-05-2020.pdf

And this?

http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2_sel.cfm

Thanks. Yes, top chart is fraction of positive influenza tests. Note also the number of tests is something like double any previous year.

Make Coronavirus Stop.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Make Coronavirus Stop.

Donald Trump includes that in his prayers at every bedtime.

And he can negotiate anything.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Top graph needs a title. I presume it’s flu.

SCIENCE: Have you seen this?

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm/$File/flu-05-2020.pdf

And this?

http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2_sel.cfm

Thanks. Yes, top chart is fraction of positive influenza tests. Note also the number of tests is something like double any previous year.

And I saw something (was it here?) about rhino virus levels getting pretty high. Not sure if that is simply a function of looking for them. They get pretty high every year really. Most people have several colds (rhino/corona/etc) each year, and children more than adults. Welcome to Winter. I would have thought the handwashing and distancing should be keeping colds down as well as flu.

Coronavirus in Scotland LIVE: Latest updates on Monday

Last updated: Monday, 29 June, 2020, 13:11

Scots with cancer are living in fear of Covid-19 No registered Covid-19 deaths for four days in a row Scots urged to follow five rules when shops reopen

35 minutes ago

Nicola Sturgeon daily news briefing live: First Minister says: “Right now we have to plans to introduce quarantine for people coming to Scotland from other parts of the UK, but there is a general issue we have to consider.”

37 minutes ago

Nicola Sturgeon daily news briefing live: “Our number one priority is that there is no return to the damaging austerity of the past,” says Finance Secretary Kate Forbes

43 minutes ago
Nicola Sturgeon daily news briefing live:

The First Minister stressed once again people must follow the five pieces of advice in FACTS

They are:

Face coverings in enclosed spaces

Avoid crowded places

Clean hands and surfaces regularly

Two metre distancing; and

Self-isolate and book a test if you have symptoms

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-scotland-live-fourth-day-row-no-covid-19-deaths-recorded-scotland-2897743

So… do we think this is an outbreak or a second wave or more so people are being diagnosed who were moving through society during these times unawares?

monkey skipper said:

So… do we think this is an outbreak or a second wave or more so people are being diagnosed who were moving through society during these times unawares?

d. All of the above.

monkey skipper said:

So… do we think this is an outbreak or a second wave or more so people are being diagnosed who were moving through society during these times unawares?

It’s small potatoes

dv said:

monkey skipper said:

So… do we think this is an outbreak or a second wave or more so people are being diagnosed who were moving through society during these times unawares?

It’s small potatoes

Chats are small potatoes.

Oh dear.

“Researchers in China have discovered a new type of swine flu that is capable of triggering a pandemic, according to a study published Monday in the US science journal PNAS.

Named G4, it is genetically descended from the H1N1 strain that caused a pandemic in 2009.

It possesses “all the essential hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans,” say the authors, scientists at Chinese universities and China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-identify-a-new-swine-flu-that-has-pandemic-potential

Abstract here:

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/23/1921186117

Michael V said:

Oh dear.

“Researchers in China have discovered a new type of swine flu that is capable of triggering a pandemic, according to a study published Monday in the US science journal PNAS.

Named G4, it is genetically descended from the H1N1 strain that caused a pandemic in 2009.

It possesses “all the essential hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans,” say the authors, scientists at Chinese universities and China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-identify-a-new-swine-flu-that-has-pandemic-potential

Abstract here:

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/23/1921186117

There’s a little secret with that though!

When we look at the records, practically every 1 to 2 years since SARS The First, there have been little influenza outbreaks in West Taiwan, less than 1e3 cases usually, which usually also go unreported by the Fake Sensationalist Media Overseas. They sprinkle a few cases across Asia and spread slowly if at all between humans, and have mortality in the higher end of the range for ‘flu’s (though again, usually less than this nasty cold virus)… so…

You can appreciate how it would be difficult to know in advance that some little cold coronavirus would become a devastating worldwide clusterfuck. Especially also when the media (and seemingly governments, which are often the same thing) in the rest of the world never really seem to care except as it happens this time, after the fact*.

* after the fact, we say ¿ sure, when was the first time any of you heard there was some outbreak ¿

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Well it does seem to be …

in Europe.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

no they’re not, most have 0 so the median is 0 but that’s also most so nobody there has intelligence that is less than the average

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

By definition.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

By definition.

:)

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

no they’re not, most have 0 so the median is 0 but that’s also most so nobody there has intelligence that is less than the average

You are too unkind.

I should think that even Trump’s IQ is well into double figures.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

Since your mate Elon is now a US Citizen, I thought I do a Binge on his IQ.

When I clicked on the link to the words below I thought it was intended as satire; reading it I’m not so sure:

Elon Musk has an IQ of “215”. This is a semi-fictional number which is used to designate people with psychic intelligence (answering the question correctly before it is even asked). If you look and listen carefully you will find that there is a lot of talk about the “215” IQ (an exa-IQ which theoretically cannot exist on this Planet, due to probability)….

“215” is a symbolic designation of the intellect and mentality of someone who experiences a “greater consciousness” than humanly possible. Examples would be Einstein, Bach, Beethoven, etc. According to psychometricians who estimated the IQs of Einstein, Bach, and Beethoven, their respective IQs ranged from 160 to 280, 120 to 165, and 140 to 165, respectively. All of these estimates are based on ‘real-world’ conditions.

The “215” IQ is based on a concept of transcendental intelligence (somehow connecting with the Cosmic Computer which contains all information). Bach and Beethoven both wrote music containing synthetic speech fragments (emulations) claiming to have 215 IQs a hundred or more years before IQs were even invented.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

Since your mate Elon is now a US Citizen, I thought I do a Binge on his IQ.

When I clicked on the link to the words below I thought it was intended as satire; reading it I’m not so sure:

Elon Musk has an IQ of “215”. This is a semi-fictional number which is used to designate people with psychic intelligence (answering the question correctly before it is even asked). If you look and listen carefully you will find that there is a lot of talk about the “215” IQ (an exa-IQ which theoretically cannot exist on this Planet, due to probability)….

“215” is a symbolic designation of the intellect and mentality of someone who experiences a “greater consciousness” than humanly possible. Examples would be Einstein, Bach, Beethoven, etc. According to psychometricians who estimated the IQs of Einstein, Bach, and Beethoven, their respective IQs ranged from 160 to 280, 120 to 165, and 140 to 165, respectively. All of these estimates are based on ‘real-world’ conditions.

The “215” IQ is based on a concept of transcendental intelligence (somehow connecting with the Cosmic Computer which contains all information). Bach and Beethoven both wrote music containing synthetic speech fragments (emulations) claiming to have 215 IQs a hundred or more years before IQs were even invented.

rubs chin

Sounds about right.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

no they’re not, most have 0 so the median is 0 but that’s also most so nobody there has intelligence that is less than the average

You are too unkind.

I should think that even Trump’s IQ is well into double figures.

11?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Half of the American population is below average intelligence.

no they’re not, most have 0 so the median is 0 but that’s also most so nobody there has intelligence that is less than the average

You are too unkind.

I should think that even Trump’s IQ is well into double figures.

TRD doing the subtle uppercut. nice.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

no they’re not, most have 0 so the median is 0 but that’s also most so nobody there has intelligence that is less than the average

You are too unkind.

I should think that even Trump’s IQ is well into double figures.

11?

Maybe even as high as 15.

But 21.5 would probably be going too far.

Michael V said:

Oh dear.

“Researchers in China have discovered a new type of swine flu that is capable of triggering a pandemic, according to a study published Monday in the US science journal PNAS.

Named G4, it is genetically descended from the H1N1 strain that caused a pandemic in 2009.

It possesses “all the essential hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans,” say the authors, scientists at Chinese universities and China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-identify-a-new-swine-flu-that-has-pandemic-potential

Abstract here:

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/23/1921186117

Just gets better and better. China you are gold!

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

With America and China ruling the world, what could possibly go wrong. We live in interesting times.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

With America and China ruling the world, what could possibly go wrong. We live in interesting times.

Some days I really wish Germany would take over…

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

With America and China ruling the world, what could possibly go wrong. We live in interesting times.

Some days I really wish Germany would take over…

at least we would have nice uniforms.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/forty-percent-of-americans-believe-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-over-new-poll-shows

With America and China ruling the world, what could possibly go wrong. We live in interesting times.

Some days I really wish Germany would take over…

Well as long as they don’t get cocky and the big bronzed Anzacs don’t have to go over there and sort them out again.

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

With America and China ruling the world, what could possibly go wrong. We live in interesting times.

Some days I really wish Germany would take over…

at least we would have nice uniforms.

.. and we wouldn’t swear so much, because everything would work.

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Oh good. 32 hours to purchase as much toilet paper as possible…

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

Yes.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Oh good. 32 hours to purchase as much toilet paper as possible…

“Mr Andrews said more than 93,000 tests had been conducted since a testing blitz of hotspot suburbs began last week, but 928 people in Broadmeadows and Keilor Downs alone had refused to be tested.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/victoria-coronavirus-hotspot-local-lockdowns-in-melbourne/12407138

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Oh good. 32 hours to purchase as much toilet paper as possible…

It’s perhaps pardonable for the pertinent population to be panic-purchasing prodigious piles of poopoo paper.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Oh good. 32 hours to purchase as much toilet paper as possible…

“Mr Andrews said more than 93,000 tests had been conducted since a testing blitz of hotspot suburbs began last week, but 928 people in Broadmeadows and Keilor Downs alone had refused to be tested.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/victoria-coronavirus-hotspot-local-lockdowns-in-melbourne/12407138

What possible reason could you have to refuse a test, fast tracked vaccine fair enough but why a test

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

I think I’m in the clear then. Not planning to visit any of these places soon.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

so what has caused this outbreak? and is the Vic Govt doing an OK job or what?

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

A lot of morris dancing chapters in those areas who will be devastated, all because a few people flout the rules.
Probably those low life limbo dancers I’d say.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

I really am surrounded.

JudgeMental said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

so what has caused this outbreak? and is the Vic Govt doing an OK job or what?

Anecdotal but my nephew’s ex, who lives in one of the effected suburbs, told my sister that large numbers of people appeared to be ignoring the restrictions even when the original lockdown was in place.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Oh good. 32 hours to purchase as much toilet paper as possible…

“Mr Andrews said more than 93,000 tests had been conducted since a testing blitz of hotspot suburbs began last week, but 928 people in Broadmeadows and Keilor Downs alone had refused to be tested.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/victoria-coronavirus-hotspot-local-lockdowns-in-melbourne/12407138

What possible reason could you have to refuse a test, fast tracked vaccine fair enough but why a test

There is a worryingly high rate of virus denialism, low scientific literacy, religious influence and scare-mongering.

Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

Rule 303 said:

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

so what has caused this outbreak? and is the Vic Govt doing an OK job or what?

Anecdotal but my nephew’s ex, who lives in one of the effected suburbs, told my sister that large numbers of people appeared to be ignoring the restrictions even when the original lockdown was in place.

effected = affected

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

I really am surrounded.

As long as you’ve got a good head of hair you should be sweet.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Oh good. 32 hours to purchase as much toilet paper as possible…

It’s perhaps pardonable for the pertinent population to be panic-purchasing prodigious piles of poopoo paper.

Um, no. I haven’t read the rules, but as far as I understand it at the moment, it’s just for those places going back to how it was before. You can still go to the supermarket for food and essentials. And go to work. I was making biscuits. I should read the news.

JudgeMental said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

so what has caused this outbreak? and is the Vic Govt doing an OK job or what?

A few people were also very keen to break a month long fast and so held a quite large family gathering.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Oh good. 32 hours to purchase as much toilet paper as possible…

It’s perhaps pardonable for the pertinent population to be panic-purchasing prodigious piles of poopoo paper.

Um, no. I haven’t read the rules, but as far as I understand it at the moment, it’s just for those places going back to how it was before. You can still go to the supermarket for food and essentials. And go to work. I was making biscuits. I should read the news.

True, but I was just wanting to write that silly sentence.

Yep, just back to how it was for a couple of months before.

>>He said people in those postcodes would only have four reasons to leave their homes: for work or school, for care or caregiving, for daily exercise, or to get food and other essentials.<<

We’ve been there, done that. Including the people in those areas.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

We’re locking down ten suburbs around Melbourne. Andrews has just announced it. Comes into effect midnight tomorrow night.

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

I think you need to still be a lert but not a llama.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray. Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans. Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore. Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens. Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie. Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park. Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana. Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West. Postcode 3060: Fawkner. Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

I really am surrounded.

As long as you’ve got a good head of hair you should be sweet.

sibeen’s fucked.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

donnybrook is!!!

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Which subrubs?

Are Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda and Footascray exempt?

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

But you are going to get flooded by other Mexicans soon, riddled with the virus, coughing and spluttering and wearing blue shirts.

Rule 303 said:

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

I think you need to still be a lert but not a llama.

Nice work.

:)

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

They’re dead Jim, all dead!

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

But you are going to get flooded by other Mexicans soon, riddled with the virus, coughing and spluttering and wearing blue shirts.

There are a lot of school holiday people moving around and through our pristine district. Mr buffy and I were discussing it while we were moving around (to Casterton and back) this morning. This is going to be interesting. Our bakery has had a lot of non local people through in the last couple of days.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

donnybrook is!!!

Well, they can take their fight with them.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

The areas subject to the reinstated lockdown are:

• Postcode 3012: Brooklyn, Kingville, Maidstone, Tottenham, West Footscray.
• Postcode 3021: Alban Vale, Kealba, Kings Park, St Albans.
• Postcode 3032: Ascot Vale, High Point City, Maribyrnong, Travancore.
• Postcode 3038: Keilor Downs, Keilor Lodge, Taylors Lakes, Watergardens.
• Postcode 3042: Airport West, Keilor Park, Niddrie.
• Postcode 3046: Glenroy, Hadfield, Oak Park.
• Postcode 3047: Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana.
• Postcode 3055: Brunswick South, Brunswick West, Moonee Vale, Moreland West.
• Postcode 3060: Fawkner.
• Postcode 3064: Craigieburn, Donnybrook, Mickleham, Roxburgh Park and Kalkallo.

Everyone living in any of these 10 postcodes must obey the stage 3 stay-at-home orders or face on-the-spot fines.

phew

Rainbow Beach is not on that list.

But you are going to get flooded by other Mexicans soon, riddled with the virus, coughing and spluttering and wearing blue shirts.

That concerns me. It’s bad enough that the place is currently over-run by noisy, partying Queenslanders.

Rule 303 said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Mr Andrews said more than 93,000 tests had been conducted since a testing blitz of hotspot suburbs began last week, but 928 people in Broadmeadows and Keilor Downs alone had refused to be tested.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/victoria-coronavirus-hotspot-local-lockdowns-in-melbourne/12407138

What possible reason could you have to refuse a test, fast tracked vaccine fair enough but why a test

There is a worryingly high rate of virus denialism, low scientific literacy, religious influence and scare-mongering.

We Want Free Medicare But We Don’t Want You To Have Our Private Information To Be Able To Provide It

And Fuck Everyone Else

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

Cymek said:

What possible reason could you have to refuse a test, fast tracked vaccine fair enough but why a test

There is a worryingly high rate of virus denialism, low scientific literacy, religious influence and scare-mongering.

We Want Free Medicare But We Don’t Want You To Have Our Private Information To Be Able To Provide It

And Fuck Everyone Else

How much private information would they share via social media I wonder

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

There is a worryingly high rate of virus denialism, low scientific literacy, religious influence and scare-mongering.

We Want Free Medicare But We Don’t Want You To Have Our Private Information To Be Able To Provide It

And Fuck Everyone Else

How much private information would they share via social media I wonder

Corporate Interests In Pursuit Of Profit Are God And We Trust Them More Than Government Which Is Meant To Govern

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

We Want Free Medicare But We Don’t Want You To Have Our Private Information To Be Able To Provide It

And Fuck Everyone Else

How much private information would they share via social media I wonder

Corporate Interests In Pursuit Of Profit Are God And We Trust Them More Than Government Which Is Meant To Govern

People should be careful around both with information sharing, but it would be interesting to see if antigovernment conspiracists share all sorts of information to the public and through that its gathered by private industry.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

How much private information would they share via social media I wonder

Corporate Interests In Pursuit Of Profit Are God And We Trust Them More Than Government Which Is Meant To Govern

People should be careful around both with information sharing, but it would be interesting to see if antigovernment conspiracists share all sorts of information to the public and through that its gathered by private industry.

… the beauty of it is that governments can pressure private industry to release information …

Wasn’t there something being discussed here about American low IQ levels.

PermeateFree said:

Wasn’t there something being discussed here about American low IQ levels.

This picture presents a bit of a conundrum. Did someone else dress him like this or did he manage to dress himself like this, and if so, how?

SCIENCE said:

… the beauty of it is that governments can pressure private industry to release information …

‘We didn’t want to do it, but they offered us money. We had no choice!’‘

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Wasn’t there something being discussed here about American low IQ levels.

This picture presents a bit of a conundrum. Did someone else dress him like this or did he manage to dress himself like this, and if so, how?

I want some Scott Morrison pyjamas!

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Wasn’t there something being discussed here about American low IQ levels.

This picture presents a bit of a conundrum. Did someone else dress him like this or did he manage to dress himself like this, and if so, how?

I want some Scott Morrison pyjamas!

Denied. Declined.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

This picture presents a bit of a conundrum. Did someone else dress him like this or did he manage to dress himself like this, and if so, how?

I want some Scott Morrison pyjamas!

Denied. Declined.

Anthony Albanese onesie?

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I want some Scott Morrison pyjamas!

Denied. Declined.

Anthony Albanese onesie?

now you’re just being silly. Ever thought of a career in Chinese state-owned media?

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

This picture presents a bit of a conundrum. Did someone else dress him like this or did he manage to dress himself like this, and if so, how?

I want some Scott Morrison pyjamas!

Denied. Declined.

:)

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

There is a worryingly high rate of virus denialism, low scientific literacy, religious influence and scare-mongering.

We Want Free Medicare But We Don’t Want You To Have Our Private Information To Be Able To Provide It

And Fuck Everyone Else

How much private information would they share via social media I wonder

Measured in Buffys.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

ROFL

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

Russia is NOT at all honest about their Covid stats. Try again.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

Could it be that your model needs tweaking?

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

ROFL

Hey China, Russia and Israel have always been transparent in their dealings with the world

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Sweden strategy has worked well:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

The point of lying is what, besides saving face, which is just stupid beyond belief and achieves nothing anyway as its a worldwide event.
People are already scared, those that act dumb will likely act dumb regardless and surely if it was far worse you’ve got thousands of health care workers, morticians, etc who’d say so.

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Those numbers are odd. N/A for active cases and recovered?

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I do have to say that there is something funky about Sweden’s death counts lately. They’ve been averaging like 1200 new cases a day over the last month, but they are not showing many deaths per day: a lot of those new cases from two to three weeks ago should be, not to put too fine a point on it, due to die. Perhaps a lot of the new cases are in low mortality categories.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/victoria-coronavirus-cases-stemmed-from-hotel-quarantine-staff-breaching-covid-19-rules-premier-says—c-1135069

I saw a Victorian opposition person bemoaning that Dan Andrews has messed up on the hotel quarantine. Mr buffy and I looked at each other – we’ve been living together waaay too long…we both thought the opposition, being the Coalition, was all in favour of private enterprise doing stuff. Because they do everything so much better than the public service. And private contractors have been used for security on the quarantine hotels. The Opposition spokesperson either didn’t offer advice on what should have been done, or it was edited out…

dv said:

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I do have to say that there is something funky about Sweden’s death counts lately. They’ve been averaging like 1200 new cases a day over the last month, but they are not showing many deaths per day: a lot of those new cases from two to three weeks ago should be, not to put too fine a point on it, due to die. Perhaps a lot of the new cases are in low mortality categories.

They’ve been doing a fair bit more testing there lately, so picking up the younger (hence mainly low-mortality) cases.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I do have to say that there is something funky about Sweden’s death counts lately. They’ve been averaging like 1200 new cases a day over the last month, but they are not showing many deaths per day: a lot of those new cases from two to three weeks ago should be, not to put too fine a point on it, due to die. Perhaps a lot of the new cases are in low mortality categories.

They’ve been doing a fair bit more testing there lately, so picking up the younger (hence mainly low-mortality) cases.

okay then

sibeen said:

good grief. my jokes don’t look too bad…

For the Victorians. Here you can enter your postcode or suburb and get information about how many active cases are nearby.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-22/do-you-live-in-a-coronavirus-hotspot/12380582?nw=0

dv said:

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes yes, Sweden is one of the countries that gives out totally wrong data for the number of cases recovered. The “active cases” are calculated by worldometers from the official “recovered” statistics.

Do you want an update on which countries lie horribly about number of cases recovered? A warning, it includes Australia.

I’ve said on multiple occasions that the worst of all liars is the UK. I haven’t checked that lately. Another huge liar like the UK is France.

The USA is far from blameless in this regard. It was late in starting its lies, being scrupulously honest until mid April, but since then has been telling bigger an bigger lies each day.

Other countries that are big liars about numbers of recoveries and active cases include, but are not limited to:
Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Chile, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Qatar, Sweden, Ecuador.

Truth-tellers include:
China, Russia, Israel.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I do have to say that there is something funky about Sweden’s death counts lately. They’ve been averaging like 1200 new cases a day over the last month, but they are not showing many deaths per day: a lot of those new cases from two to three weeks ago should be, not to put too fine a point on it, due to die. Perhaps a lot of the new cases are in low mortality categories.

The Swedish Model: Sweden is doing COVID differently. Its high-risk strategy allows cafes, schools and gyms to stay open, trusting citizens to do the right thing. But with over 5000 dead, many are asking – is the Swedish model working?

Foreign Correspondent
Tuesday 30th June at 8:01 pm (31 minutes)

Michael V said:

For the Victorians. Here you can enter your postcode or suburb and get information about how many active cases are nearby.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-22/do-you-live-in-a-coronavirus-hotspot/12380582?nw=0

Don’t need to. Our local paper is desperate for news. I know we had 2 in March. One brought it home from overseas and gave it to his wife. Other than that – nix locals. There were some passing through and dropped into the testing station in the hospital car park. Even that was countable on one hand, I think.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

For the Victorians. Here you can enter your postcode or suburb and get information about how many active cases are nearby.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-22/do-you-live-in-a-coronavirus-hotspot/12380582?nw=0

Don’t need to. Our local paper is desperate for news. I know we had 2 in March. One brought it home from overseas and gave it to his wife. Other than that – nix locals. There were some passing through and dropped into the testing station in the hospital car park. Even that was countable on one hand, I think.

Having said that – we now have the school holidayers moving around out here. We will just have to wait and see.

Moll have you looked into the ‘excess deaths’ numbers. They clearly show that Russia for one are fudging their numbers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.economist.com/europe/2020/05/21/russias-covid-19-outbreak-is-far-worse-than-the-kremlin-admits

Witty Rejoinder said:

Moll have you looked into the ‘excess deaths’ numbers. They clearly show that Russia for one are fudging their numbers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.economist.com/europe/2020/05/21/russias-covid-19-outbreak-is-far-worse-than-the-kremlin-admits

no those are the doctors accidentally stumbling through the windows

Some maps from New York. Look for the shape of Manhattan.
Data from https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

Case rate, up to 4.5% of all the people in some zip codes have been diagnosed with Covid-19. So far.

Death rate, 0.66% of all people dead in zip code 11239.

Zip code 11368. A total of 4737 cases and 409 deaths so far.
Leaves Australia’s death total way behind, and that’s just for a single zip code.
That’s the black area due east of southern Manhattan in the above maps.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Moll have you looked into the ‘excess deaths’ numbers. They clearly show that Russia for one are fudging their numbers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.economist.com/europe/2020/05/21/russias-covid-19-outbreak-is-far-worse-than-the-kremlin-admits

No it means that Russia is only the third country in the world to calculate “excess deaths”.
We’re still waiting for the rest of the world to catch up to their honesty.

eg. the CDC claims that the USA excess deaths in the first month of infections is about 100 times the official Covid death toll over that period. Now that I don’t believe, but I’ve been wrong about the accuracy of CDC claims before.

mollwollfumble said:

No it means that Russia is only the third country in the world to calculate “excess deaths”.

The Russian government has done no such thing. The excess deaths are calculated by comparing mortality figures with the ‘official’ statistics which clearly show more people are dying of ‘something’ this year compared to previous years. It’s all explained in the article I posted which i gather you didn’t read.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

No it means that Russia is only the third country in the world to calculate “excess deaths”.

The Russian government has done no such thing. The excess deaths are calculated by comparing mortality figures with the ‘official’ statistics which clearly show more people are dying of ‘something’ this year compared to previous years. It’s all explained in the article I posted which i gather you didn’t read.

Ultimately authorities in most countries will be able to do this, which along with antibody testing, will give a far more holistic estimate of the extent and impact of the virus.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

No it means that Russia is only the third country in the world to calculate “excess deaths”.

The Russian government has done no such thing. The excess deaths are calculated by comparing mortality figures with the ‘official’ statistics which clearly show more people are dying of ‘something’ this year compared to previous years. It’s all explained in the article I posted which i gather you didn’t read.

Of course I didn’t read it.
But that is word for word exactly what the Chinese did.

mollwollfumble said:

Of course I didn’t read it.

And why is that?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/jacinda-ardern-decries-dangerous-calls-to-reopen-new-zealand-borders-coronavirus

Smart. Very smart.

sibeen said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/jacinda-ardern-decries-dangerous-calls-to-reopen-new-zealand-borders-coronavirus

Smart. Very smart.

Good.

Cymek said:

The point of lying is what, besides saving face, which is just stupid beyond belief and achieves nothing anyway as its a worldwide event.
People are already scared, those that act dumb will likely act dumb regardless and surely if it was far worse you’ve got thousands of health care workers, morticians, etc who’d say so.

nah just push them out the window

JobKeeper was a cure too expensive to continue but this preventative medicine is cheap!

Mr Morrison will also announce a commitment to spend $270 billion over the next decade on defence capabilities, including more potent strike weapons, cyber capabilities and a high-tech underwater surveillance system.

SCIENCE said:

JobKeeper was a cure too expensive to continue but this preventative medicine is cheap!

Mr Morrison will also announce a commitment to spend $270 billion over the next decade on defence capabilities, including more potent strike weapons, cyber capabilities and a high-tech underwater surveillance system.

Do you just make up headlines or do they come to you in a dream, or perhaps a drugged haze? Asking for a friend.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

JobKeeper was a cure too expensive to continue but this preventative medicine is cheap!

Mr Morrison will also announce a commitment to spend $270 billion over the next decade on defence capabilities, including more potent strike weapons, cyber capabilities and a high-tech underwater surveillance system.

Do you just make up headlines or do they come to you in a dream, or perhaps a drugged haze? Asking for a friend.

sorry it’s the hydroxychloroquine speaking

but yes it’s a bit like meme-ing, and we find it the easiest way to byline quoted media on Forum, thus far

SCIENCE said:

JobKeeper was a cure too expensive to continue but this preventative medicine is cheap!

Mr Morrison will also announce a commitment to spend $270 billion over the next decade on defence capabilities, including more potent strike weapons, cyber capabilities and a high-tech underwater surveillance system.

its a lot of money.

Fauci says US death toll ‘going to be very disturbing’ and fears 100,000 daily cases

Infectious disease expert says US ‘going in the wrong direction’ ‘I’m very concerned. I’m not satisfied with what’s going on’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/coronavirus-fauci-senate-states-reverse-reopening

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential-identified-by-china-researchers

28m ago 04:47
US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug
Sarah Boseley

Sarah Boseley

The US has bought up virtually all the stocks for the next three months of one of the two drugs proven to work against Covid-19, leaving none for the UK, Europe or most of the rest of the world.

Experts and access to medicines campaigners are alarmed both by the US unilateral action on remdesivir and the wider implications, for instance in the event of a vaccine becoming available. The Trump administration has already shown it is prepared to outbid and outmanoeuvre all other countries to secure the medical supplies it needs for the US.

“They’ve got access to most of the drug supply so there’s nothing for Europe,” said Dr Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at Liverpool University.

Remdesivir, the first drug approved by licensing authorities in the US to treat Covid-19, is made by Gilead. It has been shown to help people recover faster from the disease. The first 140,000 doses, supplied to drug trials around the world, have been used up. The Trump administration has now bought more than 500,000 doses, which is all of Gilead’s production for July and 90% of August and September.

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential-identified-by-china-researchers

Why do they all start in China?

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential-identified-by-china-researchers

Why do they all start in China?

well then there are the haemorrhagic fevers

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

JobKeeper was a cure too expensive to continue but this preventative medicine is cheap!

Mr Morrison will also announce a commitment to spend $270 billion over the next decade on defence capabilities, including more potent strike weapons, cyber capabilities and a high-tech underwater surveillance system.

its a lot of money.

The difference is, it’s someone else’s money he’s spending.

He has to pay for Jobkeepernow. That means that he has to find the money now, and that might mean doing something awful, like actually taxing mining companies.

Promising to spend hundreds of billions over the next decade makes it someone else’s problem. He’ll be long gone before then.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

JobKeeper was a cure too expensive to continue but this preventative medicine is cheap!

Mr Morrison will also announce a commitment to spend $270 billion over the next decade on defence capabilities, including more potent strike weapons, cyber capabilities and a high-tech underwater surveillance system.

its a lot of money.

The difference is, it’s someone else’s money he’s spending.

He has to pay for Jobkeepernow. That means that he has to find the money now, and that might mean doing something awful, like actually taxing mining companies.

Promising to spend hundreds of billions over the next decade makes it someone else’s problem. He’ll be long gone before then.

He’s more popular with the Australian people than he is with me.
On the other hand Albanese has also failed to impress me and that is in tune with the populace.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

JobKeeper was a cure too expensive to continue but this preventative medicine is cheap!

Mr Morrison will also announce a commitment to spend $270 billion over the next decade on defence capabilities, including more potent strike weapons, cyber capabilities and a high-tech underwater surveillance system.

its a lot of money.

The difference is, it’s someone else’s money he’s spending.

He has to pay for Jobkeepernow. That means that he has to find the money now, and that might mean doing something awful, like actually taxing mining companies.

Promising to spend hundreds of billions over the next decade makes it someone else’s problem. He’ll be long gone before then.

Indeed.

Scomo is desperate to gain the reputation of being good for the next election.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

its a lot of money.

The difference is, it’s someone else’s money he’s spending.

He has to pay for Jobkeepernow. That means that he has to find the money now, and that might mean doing something awful, like actually taxing mining companies.

Promising to spend hundreds of billions over the next decade makes it someone else’s problem. He’ll be long gone before then.

He’s more popular with the Australian people than he is with me.
On the other hand Albanese has also failed to impress me and that is in tune with the populace.

Abandon all hope, ye who is seeking a good leader.

as always the best is the enemy of the good

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential-identified-by-china-researchers

Why do they all start in China?

I had been wondering about that. Most do. The black death did (from Mongolia).
A few don’t. The 1918 Spanish Flu didn’t, it began in Kansas and spread from there around the world. “The first known case was reported at Camp Funston in Fort Riley, Kansas, on March 11, 1918”.

Something that occurred to me lately is a huge opportunity missed.
With all the testing, it would have been a great opportunity to do a thorough worldwide survey of all respiratory viruses of mankind. Including all the other coronaviruses.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/new-swine-flu-with-pandemic-potential-identified-by-china-researchers

Why do they all start in China?

I had been wondering about that. Most do. The black death did (from Mongolia).
A few don’t. The 1918 Spanish Flu didn’t, it began in Kansas and spread from there around the world. “The first known case was reported at Camp Funston in Fort Riley, Kansas, on March 11, 1918”.

Something that occurred to me lately is a huge opportunity missed.
With all the testing, it would have been a great opportunity to do a thorough worldwide survey of all respiratory viruses of mankind. Including all the other coronaviruses.

Was reading about the flu virus then and why they test on ferrets, they experience similar reactions to the flu as humans.
They are testing vaccines on them as well, unfortunately the side effects are poor coordination, uncontrollable spasm dancing and kleptomania

I wonder what sort of risk our herd food animals are at catching a virus from us or another herd animal and wiping out entire industries.

Cymek said:

I wonder what sort of risk our herd food animals are at catching a virus from us or another herd animal and wiping out entire industries.

Swine flu killed hundreds of millions of pigs in China this past year.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

I wonder what sort of risk our herd food animals are at catching a virus from us or another herd animal and wiping out entire industries.

Swine flu killed hundreds of millions of pigs in China this past year.

That sort of event yes, can see why quarantine needs to be strict

Wouldn’t it be simpler just to go back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle

dv said:

Wouldn’t it be simpler just to go back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle

can we still have internet?

Arts said:

dv said:

Wouldn’t it be simpler just to go back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle

can we still have internet?

Not part of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

Shit’s hitting the fan today. A friend lost her job, my sister’s company is letting people go all over the place, and BIL’s company is restructuring.

Divine Angel said:

Shit’s hitting the fan today. A friend lost her job, my sister’s company is letting people go all over the place, and BIL’s company is restructuring.

There’s a bit of it.

“The NSW Government says it will ban people living in Melbourne’s coronavirus hotspots from entering the state.

The ABC understands he will sign a public health order implementing the changes later today.

The new rules will also apply to people in NSW who visit the affected Melbourne suburbs.

“It’s not something we want to do but we must do for our own safety,” Mr Hazzard said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-01/nsw-government-closes-border-to-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12409522

Michael V said:

“The NSW Government says it will ban people living in Melbourne’s coronavirus hotspots from entering the state.

The ABC understands he will sign a public health order implementing the changes later today.

The new rules will also apply to people in NSW who visit the affected Melbourne suburbs.

“It’s not something we want to do but we must do for our own safety,” Mr Hazzard said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-01/nsw-government-closes-border-to-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12409522

How are they going to make locking down of individual suburbs work? It is going to rely a lot on the honesty of the people living there and them “doing the right thing”. Given that there were people refusing tests I don’t hold out much hope in the “do the right thing” factor…

furious said:

Michael V said:

“The NSW Government says it will ban people living in Melbourne’s coronavirus hotspots from entering the state.

The ABC understands he will sign a public health order implementing the changes later today.

The new rules will also apply to people in NSW who visit the affected Melbourne suburbs.

“It’s not something we want to do but we must do for our own safety,” Mr Hazzard said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-01/nsw-government-closes-border-to-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12409522

How are they going to make locking down of individual suburbs work? It is going to rely a lot on the honesty of the people living there and them “doing the right thing”. Given that there were people refusing tests I don’t hold out much hope in the “do the right thing” factor…

Yesterday, the Victorian mob said there would be extra Police, doing random checks of vehicles and streets, somewhat like RBT patrols.

As for people refusing tests – well, how selfish can one get?

shakes head in despair

Cymek said:

I wonder what sort of risk our herd food animals are at catching a virus from us or another herd animal and wiping out entire industries.

Risk level pretty much the same as it’s always been for that.

furious said:

Michael V said:

“The NSW Government says it will ban people living in Melbourne’s coronavirus hotspots from entering the state.

The ABC understands he will sign a public health order implementing the changes later today.

The new rules will also apply to people in NSW who visit the affected Melbourne suburbs.

“It’s not something we want to do but we must do for our own safety,” Mr Hazzard said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-01/nsw-government-closes-border-to-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12409522

How are they going to make locking down of individual suburbs work? It is going to rely a lot on the honesty of the people living there and them “doing the right thing”. Given that there were people refusing tests I don’t hold out much hope in the “do the right thing” factor…

But they were, apparently, doing the right thing before things were relaxed. So why would you assume they won’t do the right thing now? They have, in fact, proven they can do the right thing through March to June.

It seems that returned travellers have a high proportion of CV.
Mingling at stopover airports I reckon.

buffy said:

furious said:

Michael V said:

“The NSW Government says it will ban people living in Melbourne’s coronavirus hotspots from entering the state.

The ABC understands he will sign a public health order implementing the changes later today.

The new rules will also apply to people in NSW who visit the affected Melbourne suburbs.

“It’s not something we want to do but we must do for our own safety,” Mr Hazzard said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-01/nsw-government-closes-border-to-melbourne-coronavirus-hotspots/12409522

How are they going to make locking down of individual suburbs work? It is going to rely a lot on the honesty of the people living there and them “doing the right thing”. Given that there were people refusing tests I don’t hold out much hope in the “do the right thing” factor…

But they were, apparently, doing the right thing before things were relaxed. So why would you assume they won’t do the right thing now? They have, in fact, proven they can do the right thing through March to June.

maybe they were doing the Right thing, which is apparently the problem in the USSA

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Shit’s hitting the fan today. A friend lost her job, my sister’s company is letting people go all over the place, and BIL’s company is restructuring.

There’s a bit of it.

we suppose they could take that $270G projected defence spending and pay it upfront to defend against further COVID-19 economic damage, then pay it back over their same projected timescale, but we suppose that would be too much to ask eh

Arts said:

dv said:

Wouldn’t it be simpler just to go back to a hunter gatherer lifestyle

can we still have internet?

and spread Fascism and Fake News and Foreign Influence all over the world good idea

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

furious said:

How are they going to make locking down of individual suburbs work? It is going to rely a lot on the honesty of the people living there and them “doing the right thing”. Given that there were people refusing tests I don’t hold out much hope in the “do the right thing” factor…

But they were, apparently, doing the right thing before things were relaxed. So why would you assume they won’t do the right thing now? They have, in fact, proven they can do the right thing through March to June.

maybe they were doing the Right thing, which is apparently the problem in the USSA

Plenty of people were caught not following the rules when everybody was under them. Now that only a small sub set of people have to follow them they are more likely to try and get away with a sneaky visit to their girlfriends house in a neighbouring area (for example). I am not saying everyone in there will not do the right thing but some people won’t and it will be very difficult to control…

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

I wonder what sort of risk our herd food animals are at catching a virus from us or another herd animal and wiping out entire industries.

Swine flu killed hundreds of millions of pigs in China this past year.

That sort of event yes, can see why quarantine needs to be strict

indeed, and let’s mention of the hundreds of millions of pigs that didn’t have swine ‘flu’ that were killed in anticipation, imagine applying that to the humans Uyghurs in West West Taiwan, just protecting them

Cymek said:

Was reading about the flu virus then and why they test on ferrets, they experience similar reactions to the flu as humans.
They are testing vaccines on them as well, unfortunately the side effects are poor coordination, uncontrollable spasm dancing and kleptomania

you could publish about the finding of autism in ferrets, might be a thing

It’s Almost Like We Could Have Predicted All This, But Nobody Told Us, How Could We Have Known

more than 40,000 coronavirus cases a day and the figure could soon more than double. “I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around” Dr Fauci told a Senate hearing on reopening schools and workplaces. He cited scenes of people socialising in crowds, often without masks, as one of the reasons for his fears. He also criticised American Airlines’ decision to pack flights full while the coronavirus outbreak was growing.

Having previously relaxed restrictions, states such as Texas, Florida and California are now closing beaches and bars and rolling back restaurant capacity in some cases. Los Angeles has announced it will close beaches and ban fireworks displays over the Fourth of July weekend. Instead how about we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure. Fourth of July, Fourth of August, Twenty-Ninth of August, not that different.

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

But they were, apparently, doing the right thing before things were relaxed. So why would you assume they won’t do the right thing now? They have, in fact, proven they can do the right thing through March to June.

maybe they were doing the Right thing, which is apparently the problem in the USSA

Plenty of people were caught not following the rules when everybody was under them. Now that only a small sub set of people have to follow them they are more likely to try and get away with a sneaky visit to their girlfriends house in a neighbouring area (for example). I am not saying everyone in there will not do the right thing but some people won’t and it will be very difficult to control…

Explosive proximity collars that blow you head clean off if you go out of the area

SCIENCE said:

It’s Almost Like We Could Have Predicted All This, But Nobody Told Us, How Could We Have Known

more than 40,000 coronavirus cases a day and the figure could soon more than double. “I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around” Dr Fauci told a Senate hearing on reopening schools and workplaces. He cited scenes of people socialising in crowds, often without masks, as one of the reasons for his fears. He also criticised American Airlines’ decision to pack flights full while the coronavirus outbreak was growing.

Having previously relaxed restrictions, states such as Texas, Florida and California are now closing beaches and bars and rolling back restaurant capacity in some cases. Los Angeles has announced it will close beaches and ban fireworks displays over the Fourth of July weekend. Instead how about we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure. Fourth of July, Fourth of August, Twenty-Ninth of August, not that different.

You can’t make that decision you’re just a grunt, no offense

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

Divine Angel said:

Shit’s hitting the fan today. A friend lost her job, my sister’s company is letting people go all over the place, and BIL’s company is restructuring.

Cirque du Soleil has gone tits up.

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

Not really surprising when you have a whole bunch of people protesting that the virus doesn’t exist or that it’s not worth paying attention to and another group of people who are protesting about something completely different but in their social gathering act as if the virus doesn’t exist or that it’s not worth paying attention to.

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

Yes recovery is a bit of misnomer

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

I’m having problems with the allegations that some US soldiers have died when Trump failed to act on information that the Russians and how serious it is vs failing to act on Covid and perhaps tens of thousands dead because of inaction and bad advice and calling the fake news cards.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

Not really surprising when you have a whole bunch of people protesting that the virus doesn’t exist or that it’s not worth paying attention to and another group of people who are protesting about something completely different but in their social gathering act as if the virus doesn’t exist or that it’s not worth paying attention to.

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

now crazy “My Personal Liberty Over Your Right To Life” USSAoles are pretty much wild animals anyway but really it’s probably true there is no way of bringing this under control there, North America and South America, they are about another O(1e6) cases away from widespread reverse zoonosis and how the fuck are you going to get the actual wildlife to comply with restrictions and lockdowns

given the bullshit numbers they’re putting out, that O(1e6) cases was probably a month ago

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

I’m having problems with the allegations that some US soldiers have died when Trump failed to act on information that the Russians and how serious it is vs failing to act on Covid and perhaps tens of thousands dead because of inaction and bad advice and calling the fake news cards.

no problem, the USSA is a militaristic society and The Life Of Even One Soldier Is Worth More Than The Lives Of A Million Civilians (Or Enemies), you know it

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

I’m having problems with the allegations that some US soldiers have died when Trump failed to act on information that the Russians and how serious it is vs failing to act on Covid and perhaps tens of thousands dead because of inaction and bad advice and calling the fake news cards.

Praise god, we brought the rapture on. Hey! Wait for me…

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

I’m having problems with the allegations that some US soldiers have died when Trump failed to act on information that the Russians and how serious it is vs failing to act on Covid and perhaps tens of thousands dead because of inaction and bad advice and calling the fake news cards.

no problem, the USSA is a militaristic society and The Life Of Even One Soldier Is Worth More Than The Lives Of A Million Civilians (Or Enemies), you know it

Only when active once back and retired much less so

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m having problems with the allegations that some US soldiers have died when Trump failed to act on information that the Russians and how serious it is vs failing to act on Covid and perhaps tens of thousands dead because of inaction and bad advice and calling the fake news cards.

no problem, the USSA is a militaristic society and The Life Of Even One Soldier Is Worth More Than The Lives Of A Million Civilians (Or Enemies), you know it

Only when active once back and retired much less so

or if gay

dv said:

The Yanks are so bloody arrogant it was virtually inevitable. Interesting to see what this does to their economy.

PermeateFree said:

The Yanks are so bloody arrogant it was virtually inevitable. Interesting to see what this does to their economy.

Probably do it good, actually, in the long run…

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

I’m having problems with the allegations that some US soldiers have died when Trump failed to act on information that the Russians and how serious it is vs failing to act on Covid and perhaps tens of thousands dead because of inaction and bad advice and calling the fake news cards.

sometimes I wish I could live in a world where I could say what I want, not read anything and then just say it’s was a joke or pretend I didn’t say it or own any responsibility at all…. it seems kind of blissful… OH WHY are we cursed with a social conscience?

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

Surely any moment is one where people can choose better habits.

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

I mean people who deny the existence is one thing, they are idiots.. but people who deny the impact or seriousness are a whole other category.. but both are terrible people and disrespecting the half a million people who have died.

I was reading the other day that the long term effects are pretty nasty too… younger people having low energy, lack of lung capacity and other ongoing symptoms after ‘recovery’.

I’m having problems with the allegations that some US soldiers have died when Trump failed to act on information that the Russians and how serious it is vs failing to act on Covid and perhaps tens of thousands dead because of inaction and bad advice and calling the fake news cards.

sometimes I wish I could live in a world where I could say what I want, not read anything and then just say it’s was a joke or pretend I didn’t say it or own any responsibility at all…. it seems kind of blissful… OH WHY are we cursed with a social conscience?

The forum goes pretty close to that ideal.

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Mrs California thinks that this is fake news.

CDC says U.S. has ‘way too much virus’ to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

Surely any moment is one where people can choose better habits.

I’ve always thought that the CDC’s name it very threatening. The Centre for controlling by disease.

I might be a dickhead but I would never say something in earnest and then claim it was in jest if it were poorly received.

Arts said:

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

You never know. This might be a turning point for the better.

Arts said:

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

Actually I wrote to Mrs California that US history was being written at the moment and it is grim.

dv said:

I might be a dickhead but I would never say something in earnest and then claim it was in jest if it were poorly received.

well, you’ll never make president then.

Arts said:

dv said:

I might be a dickhead but I would never say something in earnest and then claim it was in jest if it were poorly received.

well, you’ll never make president then.

Thank you

dv said:

Arts said:

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

You never know. This might be a turning point for the better.

I genuinely thought that about 44… but then they fucked up with 45.

Arts said:

dv said:

Arts said:

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

You never know. This might be a turning point for the better.

I genuinely thought that about 44… but then they fucked up with 45.

The years 44 and 45 ?

Cymek said:

Arts said:

dv said:

You never know. This might be a turning point for the better.

I genuinely thought that about 44… but then they fucked up with 45.

The years 44 and 45 ?

President number…

Arts said:

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

Christmas, the way things are going.

dv said:

Arts said:

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

You never know. This might be a turning point for the better.

Like going from the Roman Empire to the Holy Roman Empire…

Arts said:

dv said:

Arts said:

How long until we will be able to say we watched the collapse of an Empire?

10 years?

20 years?

I wish the Romans wrote this stuff down.

You never know. This might be a turning point for the better.

I genuinely thought that about 44… but then they fucked up with 45.

sounds like a brimful of ashes on the 45.

furious said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

I genuinely thought that about 44… but then they fucked up with 45.

The years 44 and 45 ?

President number…

That makes more sense