I have been so stupid. But I think I’m not the only one.

It only occurred to me this morning that vaccines to respiratory viruses are both produced naturally (without medical help) but spread naturally. Coughs and sneezes not only spread diseases, they also spread vaccines, and they may spread vaccines more efficiently than they spread viruses.

It works as follows.
Person 1 is infected and in active virus spreading phase.
Person 2 has recovered and has broken down parts of dead virus in zis respiratory tract.
Person 3 has never been exposed to the virus.

Suppose Person 1 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3 gets infected.

But suppose Person 2 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3’s immune system reacts to the dead viruses and builds up partial or total immunity. Subsequently, if Person 3 gets exposed to live virus then the virus will have a harder time finding a foothold And if Person 3 becomes infected then the infection will be less severe because of the pre-activation of Person 3’s immune system. Person 3 has been vaccinated by Person 2.

Because the coronavirus is so large, the spread of parts of dead virus in small droplets is very much easier than the spread of live virus.

Conclusion 1. Coughs and sneezes spread immunity.
Conclusion 2. If you have recovered from Covid-19, three weeks after first diagnosis, spread your coughs and sneezes as far as you can to everybody.

mollwollfumble said:

I have been so stupid. But I think I’m not the only one.

It only occurred to me this morning that vaccines to respiratory viruses are both produced naturally (without medical help) but spread naturally. Coughs and sneezes not only spread diseases, they also spread vaccines, and they may spread vaccines more efficiently than they spread viruses.

It works as follows.
Person 1 is infected and in active virus spreading phase.
Person 2 has recovered and has broken down parts of dead virus in zis respiratory tract.
Person 3 has never been exposed to the virus.

Suppose Person 1 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3 gets infected.

But suppose Person 2 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3’s immune system reacts to the dead viruses and builds up partial or total immunity. Subsequently, if Person 3 gets exposed to live virus then the virus will have a harder time finding a foothold And if Person 3 becomes infected then the infection will be less severe because of the pre-activation of Person 3’s immune system. Person 3 has been vaccinated by Person 2.

Because the coronavirus is so large, the spread of parts of dead virus in small droplets is very much easier than the spread of live virus.

Conclusion 1. Coughs and sneezes spread immunity.
Conclusion 2. If you have recovered from Covid-19, three weeks after first diagnosis, spread your coughs and sneezes as far as you can to everybody.

Ooh, there it is again…moll, where is that graph from?

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I have been so stupid. But I think I’m not the only one.

It only occurred to me this morning that vaccines to respiratory viruses are both produced naturally (without medical help) but spread naturally. Coughs and sneezes not only spread diseases, they also spread vaccines, and they may spread vaccines more efficiently than they spread viruses.

It works as follows.
Person 1 is infected and in active virus spreading phase.
Person 2 has recovered and has broken down parts of dead virus in zis respiratory tract.
Person 3 has never been exposed to the virus.

Suppose Person 1 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3 gets infected.

But suppose Person 2 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3’s immune system reacts to the dead viruses and builds up partial or total immunity. Subsequently, if Person 3 gets exposed to live virus then the virus will have a harder time finding a foothold And if Person 3 becomes infected then the infection will be less severe because of the pre-activation of Person 3’s immune system. Person 3 has been vaccinated by Person 2.

Because the coronavirus is so large, the spread of parts of dead virus in small droplets is very much easier than the spread of live virus.

Conclusion 1. Coughs and sneezes spread immunity.
Conclusion 2. If you have recovered from Covid-19, three weeks after first diagnosis, spread your coughs and sneezes as far as you can to everybody.

Ooh, there it is again…moll, where is that graph from?

And I’ll bring my comment in from last week’s thread too:

>>Dr Stelzer-Braid said the testing regime identified even the smallest presence of the virus in a person’s system.

“It’s picking up parts of viral genome but that doesn’t mean the virus is infectious,” she said.

“We’ve got be cautious but the risk of someone else contracting is low.”<<

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-03/positive-coronavirus-case-flew-from-nsw-to-vic-heres-why/12417186

The logical extension of that is that there are now many more people who have had it, many asymptomatically, so some of them may test positive from viral fragments if they then get an “ordinary” cold or flu and get tested. Back at the beginning there were fewer people in this situation. That will complicate things a bit. As well as the usual false positives that happen anyway. But is that likely to be enough to give that graph?

And also…you need to factor in how much viral load you need for a person to replicate the virus in their body. This is going to be different for different people, I would think. This thing is very contagious, so presumably you need fewer individual “invaders” to set off a new population.

Asymptomatic people are not going to be coughing and sneezing.

buffy said:

And also…you need to factor in how much viral load you need for a person to replicate the virus in their body. This is going to be different for different people, I would think. This thing is very contagious, so presumably you need fewer individual “invaders” to set off a new population.

I asked that question months ago but got no answers, not even from the ABC Corona blog.

Vic – NSW border is being shut down.

That’s going to be a nightmare.

sibeen said:

Vic – NSW border is being shut down.

That’s going to be a nightmare.

What do you anticipate is going to happen?

sibeen said:

Vic – NSW border is being shut down.

That’s going to be a nightmare.

That is a big backdown for Gladys.

Dr Normie Swan on this afternoon’s Health Report will be making the case for mask wearing.

sibeen said:

Vic – NSW border is being shut down.

That’s going to be a nightmare.

Really?! About fkn time.

sibeen said:

Vic – NSW border is being shut down.

That’s going to be a nightmare.

Yarrabloodywonga is on the Vic side isn’t it?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Vic – NSW border is being shut down.

That’s going to be a nightmare.

What do you anticipate is going to happen?

carriers in flames off lakes entrance.

They say this type is reusable, but how many times can it be used?

Gladys is going to build a wall.

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys is going to build a wall.

Will Mexico pay for it?

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys is going to build a wall.

keep those mexicans out?

Will any dirty Mexicans attempting to cross the border be shot on sight or just put in big cages?

Ian said:

Will any dirty Mexicans attempting to cross the border be shot on sight or just put in big cages?

The adults will be shot or drowned, and the kids will be put in big cages.

Bubblecar said:

They say this type is reusable, but how many times can it be used?

I recall reading that the P2 (N95) masks must be wearable for at least 8 hours to comply with Aus/NZ standard, but don’t remember where I read it.

Ian said:

Will any dirty Mexicans attempting to cross the border be shot on sight or just put in big cages?

LOL.

If we’re Mexicans, you’re Americans! Hahahahahahahaaaa.

Also, you do know that the real Mexico has just closed its border with the US, don’t you?

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

They say this type is reusable, but how many times can it be used?

I recall reading that the P2 (N95) masks must be wearable for at least 8 hours to comply with Aus/NZ standard, but don’t remember where I read it.

Seems they’re only really worth wearing once. Which probably applies to every kind of mask if there’s a real risk of them being contaminated by the virus.

With hospital decontamination methods they can apparently be worn up to 3 times, but the experts don’t officially recommend it.

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

They say this type is reusable, but how many times can it be used?

I recall reading that the P2 (N95) masks must be wearable for at least 8 hours to comply with Aus/NZ standard, but don’t remember where I read it.

Seems they’re only really worth wearing once. Which probably applies to every kind of mask if there’s a real risk of them being contaminated by the virus.

With hospital decontamination methods they can apparently be worn up to 3 times, but the experts don’t officially recommend it.

FWIW I’m wearing them several times, for short periods each time, and storing them without having any contact with the filter element (touching the strap mounting points only).

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

I recall reading that the P2 (N95) masks must be wearable for at least 8 hours to comply with Aus/NZ standard, but don’t remember where I read it.

Seems they’re only really worth wearing once. Which probably applies to every kind of mask if there’s a real risk of them being contaminated by the virus.

With hospital decontamination methods they can apparently be worn up to 3 times, but the experts don’t officially recommend it.

FWIW I’m wearing them several times, for short periods each time, and storing them without having any contact with the filter element (touching the strap mounting points only).

I wonder if you could still breathe wearing one of those under a fabric dust mask.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys is going to build a wall.

Will Mexico pay for it?

Morning all

If Qld builds one would it be an Annastacia Palisade?

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

Seems they’re only really worth wearing once. Which probably applies to every kind of mask if there’s a real risk of them being contaminated by the virus.

With hospital decontamination methods they can apparently be worn up to 3 times, but the experts don’t officially recommend it.

FWIW I’m wearing them several times, for short periods each time, and storing them without having any contact with the filter element (touching the strap mounting points only).

I wonder if you could still breathe wearing one of those under a fabric dust mask.

Sure.

Rule 303 said:

Ian said:

Will any dirty Mexicans attempting to cross the border be shot on sight or just put in big cages?

LOL.

If we’re Mexicans, you’re Americans! Hahahahahahahaaaa.

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Ian said:

Rule 303 said:

Ian said:

Will any dirty Mexicans attempting to cross the border be shot on sight or just put in big cages?

LOL.

If we’re Mexicans, you’re Americans! Hahahahahahahaaaa.

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

I’m far enough north to be a Canadian.

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

FWIW I’m wearing them several times, for short periods each time, and storing them without having any contact with the filter element (touching the strap mounting points only).

I wonder if you could still breathe wearing one of those under a fabric dust mask.

Sure.

Some people even wear a pre-filter over the front of the canister type masks to prevent clogging and prolong canister life – Like this:

Ian said:

Rule 303 said:

Ian said:

Will any dirty Mexicans attempting to cross the border be shot on sight or just put in big cages?

LOL.

If we’re Mexicans, you’re Americans! Hahahahahahahaaaa.

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Heh.

Got ‘im.

:-)

Tamb said:

Ian said:

Rule 303 said:

LOL.

If we’re Mexicans, you’re Americans! Hahahahahahahaaaa.

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

I’m far enough north to be a Canadian.

Alaskan

Will this Soviet army one protect against the virus?

Ian said:

Tamb said:

Ian said:

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

I’m far enough north to be a Canadian.

Alaskan

Too far east to be Alaskan.

Bubblecar said:

Will this Soviet army one protect against the virus?

I think they are called NBC masks – nuclear, chemical and biological. So not only will it protect you from the virus, it is good for radioactive dust and chemical weapons too.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Will this Soviet army one protect against the virus?

I think they are called NBC masks – nuclear, chemical and biological. So not only will it protect you from the virus, it is good for radioactive dust and chemical weapons too.

Only $56 from eBay. But I don’t know about extra filter availability for this model.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Painting-Spray-Military-soviet-Army-Gas-mask-Rubber-Respirator-with-filter-40mm/373102520885?hash=item56dea4aa35:g:yDAAAOSwRUJex0uV

Bubblecar said:

Will this Soviet army one protect against the virus?

Yeah, probably. Depends which canister you fit to it, obviously, and your handling would be critical.

Bubblecar said:

Will this Soviet army one protect against the virus?

It’d be as uncomfortable af for extended use.. but worth it for the funky ant-man vibe.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys is going to build a wall.

Will Mexico pay for it?

Morning all

If Qld builds one would it be an Annastacia Palisade?

Ha!

Ian said:

Bubblecar said:

Will this Soviet army one protect against the virus?

It’d be as uncomfortable af for extended use.. but worth it for the funky ant-man vibe.

Might be OK in a Tasmanian Winter.

Rule 303 said:

Ian said:

Bubblecar said:

Will this Soviet army one protect against the virus?

It’d be as uncomfortable af for extended use.. but worth it for the funky ant-man vibe.

Might be OK in a Tasmanian Winter.

Crossed my mind..

Just to contradict myself..

I use one of these Bunnings! jobs when termite spraying and sometimes for fine dust protection and properly adjusted I’d rather that than a fabric face mask..

Peak Warming Man said:

Asymptomatic people are not going to be coughing and sneezing.

Um, no. Coughing and sneezing are pretty normal. You don’t only do it when you’ve got a cold/flu. You do it any time you breathe in dust/pollen/too strong a perfume.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Asymptomatic people are not going to be coughing and sneezing.

Um, no. Coughing and sneezing are pretty normal. You don’t only do it when you’ve got a cold/flu. You do it any time you breathe in dust/pollen/too strong a perfume.

would we say that those are … symptoms … though

Why Is It That In This Thread All Masks That Have Writing On Them Have West Taiwanese Script

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Vic – NSW border is being shut down.

That’s going to be a nightmare.

That is a big backdown for Gladys.

No Kidding We Thought Shit Like This Was Already Dismissed As In The Too Hard Basket Case Definition

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Asymptomatic people are not going to be coughing and sneezing.

Um, no. Coughing and sneezing are pretty normal. You don’t only do it when you’ve got a cold/flu. You do it any time you breathe in dust/pollen/too strong a perfume.

would we say that those are … symptoms … though

Of course, symptoms of your normal body reactions to dust/pollen/too strong a perfume. Signs are what others can see, symptoms are what you feel yourself.

anyway back to the premise of the opening of this round, thanks to ynorysc

it is entirely plausible that in any given season there is a dominant pathogen, as ‘e has been quite quick to point out h’self — influenza is rather a good example of this

(we’re not saying that this is the case in EVERY given season)

when large numbers of the tests are coming back positive for the same thing, then it would seem reasonable to conclude that the same thing is a dominant cause of cases

as ‘e’s also pointed out, infection control measures also suppress other respiratory infections so if there’s already a dominating strain, it will probably continue to dominate

… until flock immunity …

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Um, no. Coughing and sneezing are pretty normal. You don’t only do it when you’ve got a cold/flu. You do it any time you breathe in dust/pollen/too strong a perfume.

would we say that those are … symptoms … though

Of course, symptoms of your normal body reactions to dust/pollen/too strong a perfume. Signs are what others can see, symptoms are what you feel yourself.

But now I think about it, they are probably signs, really.

buffy said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

would we say that those are … symptoms … though

Of course, symptoms of your normal body reactions to dust/pollen/too strong a perfume. Signs are what others can see, symptoms are what you feel yourself.

But now I think about it, they are probably signs, really.

signs, signs, everywhere are signs, do this don’t do that can’t you read the sign?

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Asymptomatic people are not going to be coughing and sneezing.

Um, no. Coughing and sneezing are pretty normal. You don’t only do it when you’ve got a cold/flu. You do it any time you breathe in dust/pollen/too strong a perfume.

I don’t really cough and sneeze much. Sneezing tends to be the sunlight triggered resoonse with me, or if I have irritated my nose by plucking nostril hair. Coughing tends to be only if I have done some sanding without using a mask, apart from that I rarely cough.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Asymptomatic people are not going to be coughing and sneezing.

Um, no. Coughing and sneezing are pretty normal. You don’t only do it when you’ve got a cold/flu. You do it any time you breathe in dust/pollen/too strong a perfume.

I don’t really cough and sneeze much. Sneezing tends to be the sunlight triggered resoonse with me, or if I have irritated my nose by plucking nostril hair. Coughing tends to be only if I have done some sanding without using a mask, apart from that I rarely cough.

You need to get out into the country more…

I also have an odd reflex sneeze that happens sometimes after I eat. I get 3 to 5 sneezes a few minutes afterwards.

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

Bubblecar said:

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

People are idiots.

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

I posted an article last night in response to the pommies and social distancing concerning the pubs and clubs reopening in Perth. It’s different here was the response.

Bubblecar said:

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

Tears are coming soon…

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

I posted an article last night in response to the pommies and social distancing concerning the pubs and clubs reopening in Perth. It’s different here was the response.

Well, it is. It just is.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

I posted an article last night in response to the pommies and social distancing concerning the pubs and clubs reopening in Perth. It’s different here was the response.

It is. We have no community transmission going on, plus we have in place a robust testing regime and a track and trace program. We have a mobile phone app that works. We have a single digit number of active cases who are all in quarantine.

The UK still has community transmission going on, have a piecemeal testing regime with a patchwork of private and public providers with no proper coordination between them. Do not have a working mobile phone app (they contracted a private firm to make one but it was abandoned because it didn’t work). They also do not have a tracking and tracing system, they tried to set one up but it has run into IT problems and lack of coordination between private contractors that they have not been able to contact even a quarter of new cases for a comprehensive list of contacts and places they have been.

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

I posted an article last night in response to the pommies and social distancing concerning the pubs and clubs reopening in Perth. It’s different here was the response.

It is. We have no community transmission going on, plus we have in place a robust testing regime and a track and trace program. We have a mobile phone app that works. We have a single digit number of active cases who are all in quarantine.

The UK still has community transmission going on, have a piecemeal testing regime with a patchwork of private and public providers with no proper coordination between them. Do not have a working mobile phone app (they contracted a private firm to make one but it was abandoned because it didn’t work). They also do not have a tracking and tracing system, they tried to set one up but it has run into IT problems and lack of coordination between private contractors that they have not been able to contact even a quarter of new cases for a comprehensive list of contacts and places they have been.

sooooo how is Vic going? and that can’t happen here?

anyway as I reiterated last night it is the same mindset in both cases. it reminds me of the argument by BC that because his drug of choice, kava, was legal it was different to illegal drugs and so different reasons. a bullshit argument.

JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Of course, symptoms of your normal body reactions to dust/pollen/too strong a perfume. Signs are what others can see, symptoms are what you feel yourself.

But now I think about it, they are probably signs, really.

signs, signs, everywhere are signs, do this don’t do that can’t you read the sign?

And the sign said you have to have a membership card to get inside.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Drunk Englanders. Of course they can be trusted to observe sensible social distances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/uk-eased-coronavirus-restrictions-bring-drinking-crowds-out/12424894

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

People are idiots.

Except us forumers, who are all excellent folk.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

I posted an article last night in response to the pommies and social distancing concerning the pubs and clubs reopening in Perth. It’s different here was the response.

It is. We have no community transmission going on, plus we have in place a robust testing regime and a track and trace program. We have a mobile phone app that works. We have a single digit number of active cases who are all in quarantine.

The UK still has community transmission going on, have a piecemeal testing regime with a patchwork of private and public providers with no proper coordination between them. Do not have a working mobile phone app (they contracted a private firm to make one but it was abandoned because it didn’t work). They also do not have a tracking and tracing system, they tried to set one up but it has run into IT problems and lack of coordination between private contractors that they have not been able to contact even a quarter of new cases for a comprehensive list of contacts and places they have been.

sooooo how is Vic going? and that can’t happen here?

anyway as I reiterated last night it is the same mindset in both cases. it reminds me of the argument by BC that because his drug of choice, kava, was legal it was different to illegal drugs and so different reasons. a bullshit argument.

Yeah, Vic is shit at the moment which is why we haven’t opened up the pubs and clubs open slather. Limited to 20 people in a pub.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I find it weird that a couple of restrictions get relaxed, and people behave as though they’ve all been completely removed.

People are idiots.

Except us forumers, who are all excellent folk.

I’m a outlier.

JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

People are idiots.

Except us forumers, who are all excellent folk.

I’m a outlier.

Oh dear…

JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Of course, symptoms of your normal body reactions to dust/pollen/too strong a perfume. Signs are what others can see, symptoms are what you feel yourself.

But now I think about it, they are probably signs, really.

signs, signs, everywhere are signs, do this don’t do that can’t you read the sign?

SCIENCE

COVID-19 hotspot fears as Byron Bay bush doof leaves authorities ‘dumbfounded’

Authorities say they are “dumbfounded” and “disappointed” in the organisers and attendees of a dance party that saw more than 1,000 people gather on a private property at Wilson’s Creek, near Byron Bay, in a gross violation of statewide coronavirus rules.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/byron-bay-bush-doof-sparks-coronavirus-hotspot-fears/12424880

Bubblecar said:

COVID-19 hotspot fears as Byron Bay bush doof leaves authorities ‘dumbfounded’

Authorities say they are “dumbfounded” and “disappointed” in the organisers and attendees of a dance party that saw more than 1,000 people gather on a private property at Wilson’s Creek, near Byron Bay, in a gross violation of statewide coronavirus rules.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/byron-bay-bush-doof-sparks-coronavirus-hotspot-fears/12424880

It’s ok, it’s different there.

JudgeMental said:

Bubblecar said:

COVID-19 hotspot fears as Byron Bay bush doof leaves authorities ‘dumbfounded’

Authorities say they are “dumbfounded” and “disappointed” in the organisers and attendees of a dance party that saw more than 1,000 people gather on a private property at Wilson’s Creek, near Byron Bay, in a gross violation of statewide coronavirus rules.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/byron-bay-bush-doof-sparks-coronavirus-hotspot-fears/12424880

It’s ok, it’s different there.

Yes, it was illegal.

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

Bubblecar said:

COVID-19 hotspot fears as Byron Bay bush doof leaves authorities ‘dumbfounded’

Authorities say they are “dumbfounded” and “disappointed” in the organisers and attendees of a dance party that saw more than 1,000 people gather on a private property at Wilson’s Creek, near Byron Bay, in a gross violation of statewide coronavirus rules.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/byron-bay-bush-doof-sparks-coronavirus-hotspot-fears/12424880

It’s ok, it’s different there.

Yes, it was illegal.

Prolly a rumour that there was free grass.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

It’s ok, it’s different there.

Yes, it was illegal.

Prolly a rumour that there was free grass.

I think a few of those old hippy spots are into the harder drugs these days.

Bubblecar said:

COVID-19 hotspot fears as Byron Bay bush doof leaves authorities ‘dumbfounded’

Authorities say they are “dumbfounded” and “disappointed” in the organisers and attendees of a dance party that saw more than 1,000 people gather on a private property at Wilson’s Creek, near Byron Bay, in a gross violation of statewide coronavirus rules.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/byron-bay-bush-doof-sparks-coronavirus-hotspot-fears/12424880

Why, oh why, oh why?

‘Ken Covidiots.

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

Bubblecar said:

COVID-19 hotspot fears as Byron Bay bush doof leaves authorities ‘dumbfounded’

Authorities say they are “dumbfounded” and “disappointed” in the organisers and attendees of a dance party that saw more than 1,000 people gather on a private property at Wilson’s Creek, near Byron Bay, in a gross violation of statewide coronavirus rules.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/byron-bay-bush-doof-sparks-coronavirus-hotspot-fears/12424880

It’s ok, it’s different there.

Yes, it was illegal.

I’m not trying to claim that Australian’s are somehow ‘better’ at this than the English, if the pubs were made open slather in Victoria right at this moment there’d be shitloads of morons down the pub 5 minutes later. But I think it can be fairly well shown that, at least in this case, our politicians are light years in advance of those in many countries in the UK andEurope.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

It’s ok, it’s different there.

Yes, it was illegal.

I’m not trying to claim that Australian’s are somehow ‘better’ at this than the English, if the pubs were made open slather in Victoria right at this moment there’d be shitloads of morons down the pub 5 minutes later. But I think it can be fairly well shown that, at least in this case, our politicians are light years in advance of those in many countries in the UK andEurope.

I’m glad you finally agree with me.

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Yes, it was illegal.

I’m not trying to claim that Australian’s are somehow ‘better’ at this than the English, if the pubs were made open slather in Victoria right at this moment there’d be shitloads of morons down the pub 5 minutes later. But I think it can be fairly well shown that, at least in this case, our politicians are light years in advance of those in many countries in the UK andEurope.

I’m glad you finally agree with me.

:-)

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Yes, it was illegal.

I’m not trying to claim that Australian’s are somehow ‘better’ at this than the English, if the pubs were made open slather in Victoria right at this moment there’d be shitloads of morons down the pub 5 minutes later. But I think it can be fairly well shown that, at least in this case, our politicians are light years in advance of those in many countries in the UK andEurope.

I’m glad you finally agree with me.

maybe they just have better or more independent health advisers

SCIENCE said:

anyway back to the premise of the opening of this round, thanks to ynorysc

it is entirely plausible that in any given season there is a dominant pathogen, as ‘e has been quite quick to point out h’self — influenza is rather a good example of this

(we’re not saying that this is the case in EVERY given season)

when large numbers of the tests are coming back positive for the same thing, then it would seem reasonable to conclude that the same thing is a dominant cause of cases

as ‘e’s also pointed out, infection control measures also suppress other respiratory infections so if there’s already a dominating strain, it will probably continue to dominate

… until flock immunity …

videlicet

The World Health Organisation chief has warned that the COVID-19 situation around the world seems to be getting worse.

Mexico has essentially only tested people who are extremely sick for COVID-19, declaring anything else a waste of time, effort and resources.

Subsequently, in the last few weeks, the proportion of COVID-19 tests which are coming back positive has risen to 50 per cent.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway back to the premise of the opening of this round, thanks to ynorysc

it is entirely plausible that in any given season there is a dominant pathogen, as ‘e has been quite quick to point out h’self — influenza is rather a good example of this

(we’re not saying that this is the case in EVERY given season)

when large numbers of the tests are coming back positive for the same thing, then it would seem reasonable to conclude that the same thing is a dominant cause of cases

as ‘e’s also pointed out, infection control measures also suppress other respiratory infections so if there’s already a dominating strain, it will probably continue to dominate

… until flock immunity …

videlicet

The World Health Organisation chief has warned that the COVID-19 situation around the world seems to be getting worse.

Mexico has essentially only tested people who are extremely sick for COVID-19, declaring anything else a waste of time, effort and resources.

Subsequently, in the last few weeks, the proportion of COVID-19 tests which are coming back positive has risen to 50 per cent.

Where have all the flowers gone?

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway back to the premise of the opening of this round, thanks to ynorysc

it is entirely plausible that in any given season there is a dominant pathogen, as ‘e has been quite quick to point out h’self — influenza is rather a good example of this

(we’re not saying that this is the case in EVERY given season)

when large numbers of the tests are coming back positive for the same thing, then it would seem reasonable to conclude that the same thing is a dominant cause of cases

as ‘e’s also pointed out, infection control measures also suppress other respiratory infections so if there’s already a dominating strain, it will probably continue to dominate

… until flock immunity …

videlicet

The World Health Organisation chief has warned that the COVID-19 situation around the world seems to be getting worse.

Mexico has essentially only tested people who are extremely sick for COVID-19, declaring anything else a waste of time, effort and resources.

Subsequently, in the last few weeks, the proportion of COVID-19 tests which are coming back positive has risen to 50 per cent.

Where have all the flours gone?

That’s the Second Wave Of Panic Buying you heard about in Victoria…

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

It’s swings and roundabouts. I hit one quite hard with a gof ball yesterday.

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

It’s swings and roundabouts. I hit one quite hard with a gof ball yesterday.

I don’t suppose it noticed. Planets are pretty hardy.

On the “gof ball”, I shall not comment.

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

Covid is goning to have to go on for much longer yet.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

Covid is goning to have to go on for much longer yet.

Who knows, the thylacine may even return this year.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

Covid is goning to have to go on for much longer yet.

Who knows, the thylacine may even return this year.

cloned from an embryo in a jar?

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

Covid is goning to have to go on for much longer yet.

Who knows, the thylacine may even return this year.

LOLs.

It’s never going to heal that much.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19, How Good Is It

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/fewer-kangaroos-hit-by-cars-in-canberra-due-to-rain-coronavirus/12422666

2020 is “upside down”, according to Kristy Gould, one of the ACT’s urban reserve managers.

“This year has bucked the curve,” she said.

“We had a wombat that was stuck in a garage sale one weekend and it was just causing havoc, knocking everything over,” she recalls.

“We had a kangaroo go into a gym and it couldn’t find its way out.”

The Planet Is Healing

It’s swings and roundabouts. I hit one quite hard with a gof ball yesterday.

I don’t suppose it noticed. Planets are pretty hardy.

On the “gof ball”, I shall not comment.

Surprised you didn’t read “roo” given the context. I guess all our intellectuals are aging.

And no, the huge-brained roo barely noticed.

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

It’s swings and roundabouts. I hit one quite hard with a gof ball yesterday.

I don’t suppose it noticed. Planets are pretty hardy.

On the “gof ball”, I shall not comment.

Surprised you didn’t read “roo” given the context. I guess all our intellectuals are aging.

And no, the huge-brained roo barely noticed.

You were putting at the time?

roughbarked said:

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t suppose it noticed. Planets are pretty hardy.

On the “gof ball”, I shall not comment.

Surprised you didn’t read “roo” given the context. I guess all our intellectuals are aging.

And no, the huge-brained roo barely noticed.

You were putting at the time?

3 iron sweetly hit

no surprise you can catch it from swapping air

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/scientists-who-coronavirus-airborne-1.5638444

Evidence That Bogaustralians Are As Genius As Boogamericans

is not written as far as we can find so maybe it is just what we heard on wireless, but here is a close one

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8492829/Bushfire-hit-towns-reliant-tourism-lose-school-holiday-visitors-Victorians-banned-NSW.html

Victorian Liberal frontbencher Tim Smith, who coined the term ‘Chairman Dan’ to mock his state’s Labor Premier, said the border closure would devastate regional areas.

‘Don’t punish our rural communities because of Daniel Andrews’ incompetence in Melbourne,’ he told Sydney radio broadcaster Ben Fordham on Monday.

‘It would be a real shame if it was closed. It would absolutely gut regional communities on either side of the Murray River.’

Southern NSW, from far west to the Murrumbidgee and the South Coast have no active case of COVID-19, Department of Health data shows.

Likewise regional Victorian, with zero active cases in Wodonga, East Gippsland, Wangaratta and the Alpine area in the state’s east and none at West Wimmera further west.

—

what we heard was justification in the form of “Why Are We In Border Regions Suffering Restrictions And Closures When We Have No COVID-19 Here?”, nice one, obviously it’s news to everyone that a border is … a border

Not sure if policing highrise is an adequate response to all this; surely personal infection control measures like

• wear a mask
• touch surfaces as little as possible
• wash hands before and after going into common areas even if you don’t remember touching
• wear a mask
• don’t go out if unwell especially coughing or sneezing, but if you choke on some water or get sunlight sneeze, still just blow it into your elbow
• wear a mask

might help, possibly even a lot, pretty sure West Taiwan have some pretty dense-packed populations around their places but then again they’re totally lying about having this under control so maybe we don’t need any good hygiene after all.

16 new cases detected in public housing outbreak

The Premier said of today’s 127 new cases, 16 were detected in the public housing towers that have been locked down.

An additional 10 infections from earlier numbers have been linked to the towers, bringing the total in the outbreak to 53 cases.

“It’s essentially a doubling of the numbers since yesterday,” Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said.

Essential Jobs Are Essential Except When They Are Unfilled By Old Dying 60 Year Olds Leaving Unemployment High

Two men, one in his 60s and one in his 90s, have died from coronavirus in Victoria as the state continues to battle community transmission of COVID-19.

Alternatively.

Even If Dead Old Farts (Like That 60 Year Old) Consume Less, The Economy Must Grow

McGowan said:

“WA has not recorded a community-based infection since 11 April. That was 86 days ago. Clearly our hard border with the East has served us well. But our hard border is under threat. As we know, Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge is being supported by the Federal Government.

“The announcement today between New South Wales and Victoria to close their borders is one that I support, but the idea our hard border is being challenged in the High Court is now clearly flawed and completely unnecessary. “In light of the new Victoria-New South Wales border closure today, I’ve asked the Prime Minister to formally withdraw their support from Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge. It does not make sense for the Federal Government to be supporting a border closure between New South Wales and Victoria but on the other hand challenging Western Australia’s border in the High Court of Australia.

McGowan demands Federal Government end support for Palmer’s border challenge

Mr McGowan has called on the Federal Government to end its support of Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge to the state’s hard border, calling it “nonsense” and “completely ridiculous.”

It’s still the same Federal Government since its election last year.

This guy was my age 😳
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/broadway-actor-nick-cordero-dies-from-coronavirus-complications/12426280

SCIENCE said:

McGowan said:

“WA has not recorded a community-based infection since 11 April. That was 86 days ago. Clearly our hard border with the East has served us well. But our hard border is under threat. As we know, Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge is being supported by the Federal Government.

“The announcement today between New South Wales and Victoria to close their borders is one that I support, but the idea our hard border is being challenged in the High Court is now clearly flawed and completely unnecessary. “In light of the new Victoria-New South Wales border closure today, I’ve asked the Prime Minister to formally withdraw their support from Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge. It does not make sense for the Federal Government to be supporting a border closure between New South Wales and Victoria but on the other hand challenging Western Australia’s border in the High Court of Australia.

I’ve been hugely impressed with WA’s hard-arse attitude to border closing.

If it causes problems for the economy, that’s a failure of the economy, and the economy must be adaptable. If it causes legal problems, that’s a failure of the legal system and the legal system must adapt. It’s not good to ignore or challenge reality in favor of abstractions… reality does not modify itself for our fancies… it just is what it is, and does what it does. We will never win a war against reality.

“JUST IN FROM VICTORIA: Emergency department goes into code yellow

A spokesperson for Northern Health says seven emergency department staff from Northern Hospital Epping have tested positive to COVID-19 over the last five days.

It’s understood a code yellow was called earlier today at The Northern Hospital in Epping.

“Extensive contact tracing is occurring and the emergency department is undergoing a deep clean. All staff in the emergency department are being tested as a precaution.

“To free up capacity across the hospital there will be a temporary reduction in non-urgent elective surgery and outpatient appointments. This will allow for resources to be diverted to the emergency department and allow it to keep operating.

“People requiring urgent care can still attend the emergency department, however people with minor, less-urgent conditions should seek medical advice from their general practitioner in the first instance.

“Visitors to the hospital have also been further restricted as a precaution.”

Ambulances were reportedly being diverted to The Alfred.”

Oh dear…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-melbourne/12424360

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

McGowan said:

“WA has not recorded a community-based infection since 11 April. That was 86 days ago. Clearly our hard border with the East has served us well. But our hard border is under threat. As we know, Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge is being supported by the Federal Government.

“The announcement today between New South Wales and Victoria to close their borders is one that I support, but the idea our hard border is being challenged in the High Court is now clearly flawed and completely unnecessary. “In light of the new Victoria-New South Wales border closure today, I’ve asked the Prime Minister to formally withdraw their support from Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge. It does not make sense for the Federal Government to be supporting a border closure between New South Wales and Victoria but on the other hand challenging Western Australia’s border in the High Court of Australia.

I’ve been hugely impressed with WA’s hard-arse attitude to border closing.

If it causes problems for the economy, that’s a failure of the economy, and the economy must be adaptable. If it causes legal problems, that’s a failure of the legal system and the legal system must adapt. It’s not good to ignore or challenge reality in favor of abstractions… reality does not modify itself for our fancies… it just is what it is, and does what it does. We will never win a war against reality.

I hope the QLD border doesn’t get re-opened. Or gets shut down again. Which ever it is.

Michael V said:

“JUST IN FROM VICTORIA: Emergency department goes into code yellow

A spokesperson for Northern Health says seven emergency department staff from Northern Hospital Epping have tested positive to COVID-19 over the last five days.

It’s understood a code yellow was called earlier today at The Northern Hospital in Epping.

“Extensive contact tracing is occurring and the emergency department is undergoing a deep clean. All staff in the emergency department are being tested as a precaution.

“To free up capacity across the hospital there will be a temporary reduction in non-urgent elective surgery and outpatient appointments. This will allow for resources to be diverted to the emergency department and allow it to keep operating.

“People requiring urgent care can still attend the emergency department, however people with minor, less-urgent conditions should seek medical advice from their general practitioner in the first instance.

“Visitors to the hospital have also been further restricted as a precaution.”

Ambulances were reportedly being diverted to The Alfred.”

Oh dear…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-melbourne/12424360

fuck

Back to school as normal in Victoria

Hi Peter,Any word on Victorian schools? Are we going back to remote learning in Term 3? -Rach

At the moment, it’s back to school as per normal for Term 3. Even in restricted postcodes, children are allowed to return to school.

Summary of restrictions

Current restrictions:

Childcare and kindergartens remain open in restricted postcodes. Primary school and high school students can continue to attend school for face-to-face learning in restricted postcodes. University, TAFE and adult education students should continue to learn remotely or online where possible.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/work-and-study-restricted-postcodes-covid-19#we-live-in-a-restricted-postcode—-can-my-child-go-to-school

—

FUCK

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“JUST IN FROM VICTORIA: Emergency department goes into code yellow

A spokesperson for Northern Health says seven emergency department staff from Northern Hospital Epping have tested positive to COVID-19 over the last five days.

It’s understood a code yellow was called earlier today at The Northern Hospital in Epping.

“Extensive contact tracing is occurring and the emergency department is undergoing a deep clean. All staff in the emergency department are being tested as a precaution.

“To free up capacity across the hospital there will be a temporary reduction in non-urgent elective surgery and outpatient appointments. This will allow for resources to be diverted to the emergency department and allow it to keep operating.

“People requiring urgent care can still attend the emergency department, however people with minor, less-urgent conditions should seek medical advice from their general practitioner in the first instance.

“Visitors to the hospital have also been further restricted as a precaution.”

Ambulances were reportedly being diverted to The Alfred.”

Oh dear…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-melbourne/12424360

fuck

Back to school as normal in Victoria

Hi Peter,Any word on Victorian schools? Are we going back to remote learning in Term 3? -Rach

At the moment, it’s back to school as per normal for Term 3. Even in restricted postcodes, children are allowed to return to school.

Summary of restrictions

Current restrictions:

Childcare and kindergartens remain open in restricted postcodes. Primary school and high school students can continue to attend school for face-to-face learning in restricted postcodes. University, TAFE and adult education students should continue to learn remotely or online where possible.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/work-and-study-restricted-postcodes-covid-19#we-live-in-a-restricted-postcode—-can-my-child-go-to-school

—

FUCK

Lockdown, but not very locked or down.

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“JUST IN FROM VICTORIA: Emergency department goes into code yellow

A spokesperson for Northern Health says seven emergency department staff from Northern Hospital Epping have tested positive to COVID-19 over the last five days.

It’s understood a code yellow was called earlier today at The Northern Hospital in Epping.

“Extensive contact tracing is occurring and the emergency department is undergoing a deep clean. All staff in the emergency department are being tested as a precaution.

“To free up capacity across the hospital there will be a temporary reduction in non-urgent elective surgery and outpatient appointments. This will allow for resources to be diverted to the emergency department and allow it to keep operating.

“People requiring urgent care can still attend the emergency department, however people with minor, less-urgent conditions should seek medical advice from their general practitioner in the first instance.

“Visitors to the hospital have also been further restricted as a precaution.”

Ambulances were reportedly being diverted to The Alfred.”

Oh dear…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-melbourne/12424360

fuck

Back to school as normal in Victoria

Hi Peter,Any word on Victorian schools? Are we going back to remote learning in Term 3? -Rach

At the moment, it’s back to school as per normal for Term 3. Even in restricted postcodes, children are allowed to return to school.

Summary of restrictions

Current restrictions:

Childcare and kindergartens remain open in restricted postcodes. Primary school and high school students can continue to attend school for face-to-face learning in restricted postcodes. University, TAFE and adult education students should continue to learn remotely or online where possible.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/work-and-study-restricted-postcodes-covid-19#we-live-in-a-restricted-postcode—-can-my-child-go-to-school

—

FUCK

Lockdown, but not very locked or down.

Makes it a bit of a joke then.
Especially considering some kids touch everything.

Michael V said:

“JUST IN FROM VICTORIA: Emergency department goes into code yellow

A spokesperson for Northern Health says seven emergency department staff from Northern Hospital Epping have tested positive to COVID-19 over the last five days.

It’s understood a code yellow was called earlier today at The Northern Hospital in Epping.

“Extensive contact tracing is occurring and the emergency department is undergoing a deep clean. All staff in the emergency department are being tested as a precaution.

“To free up capacity across the hospital there will be a temporary reduction in non-urgent elective surgery and outpatient appointments. This will allow for resources to be diverted to the emergency department and allow it to keep operating.

“People requiring urgent care can still attend the emergency department, however people with minor, less-urgent conditions should seek medical advice from their general practitioner in the first instance.

“Visitors to the hospital have also been further restricted as a precaution.”

Ambulances were reportedly being diverted to The Alfred.”

Oh dear…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-melbourne/12424360

There’s about ten hospitals between Epping and Alfred. That bit seems unlikely. Even for the most urgent cases, Royal Melbourne is closer.

apparently Honshu is doing a bit of a Victoria as well

In Hindsight, The Rest Of The World Other Than West Taiwan Failed To Receive Information That Nobody Considered Important Until After The Fact

https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/china-failed-to-share-covid-19-clues/

A coronavirus strain similar to Covid-19 was found in a bat-infested copper mine in China seven years ago.

The pathogen was discovered after an outbreak of deaths and underwent clinical testing before being stored in a high-security laboratory in Wuhan, the epicenter of the initial epidemic in January.

Later known as RaTG13, its genomic sequencing “was 96% identical” to SARS-Cov-2, the infectious virus behind the Covid-19 crisis.

“An investigation has uncovered evidence that China failed to share crucial information about the sister virus to Covid-19, even though it is the strongest lead in the hunt for the origins of the pandemic,” the award-winning Insight team from the Sunday Times newspaper in London said.

some sensible-sounding stuff

How Dare Police States Ban Meat That Feeds Hungry People

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/after-coronavirus-china-moves-kick-its-exotic-meat-habit-n1232935

Foshan, in southern China, where snake has long been regarded as a delicacy. “They are all banned now.”

As the world struggles to contain the coronavirus pandemic, China is clamping down on the sale of wildlife for human consumption amid concerns about another outbreak of a zoonotic disease. What began as a temporary ban to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 is making legislative leaps to a broader ban on the practice — a move international public health and wildlife experts have been urging for years.

The problem isn’t unique to Asia. Domesticated animals around the world can also be sources of diseases such as swine and avian flus, experts warn. “I think in places like the U.K. and Europe and the U.S., we need to be really careful thinking that it’s an issue happening somewhere else,” said Amy Hinsley, a senior research fellow in wildlife trade at the University of Oxford. “The wildlife trade isn’t just pangolins in [shithole countries].” Western countries practice hunting and fishing wildlife and contribute to the global trade of exotic pets, Hinsley said.

Local levels of government have historically protected the industry out of concern that it would otherwise leave poor farmers in the least developed areas of the country without work, Li said. Although it brings in significant revenue, looking at the Chinese economy more broadly, illegal wildlife is “a drop in the bucket,” Li said. “It doesn’t impact the Chinese economy as a whole; it doesn’t impact efforts to fight poverty,” he said.

Halting the breeding of wildlife for the purpose of food won’t resolve the issue entirely, experts warn. Despite the breadth of the trade, the consumption of wild animals isn’t as extensive as it would seem. The consumption of wildlife isn’t deeply rooted in Chinese culture either, Li said. The rise began in the 1980s with traders promoting wildlife as a delicacy with health benefits.

As cities around the world expand and the global drive for natural resources like timber increases, people are also delving deeper into pristine environments, Vertefeuille of the World Wildlife Fund said. That, in turn, increases the risk of exposure and disease transmission from wildlife. Scientists have found links between deforestation and Ebola outbreaks in West and Central Africa as infected bats are forced into closer proximity to humans.

“We really have to change our relationship with the natural world,” Vertefeuille said. “We really would have squandered an extraordinary chance to address the issue if we don’t act quickly and aggressively.”

Nah, fk that, let’s keep cutting down rainforest and burning coal. The Economy Must Grow, but our cronies’ pockets must grow faster.

Also interesting that “wildlife” is “bred” but sure, maybe it’s not as domesticated as we say.

SCIENCE said:

In Hindsight, The Rest Of The World Other Than West Taiwan Failed To Receive Information That Nobody Considered Important Until After The Fact

https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/china-failed-to-share-covid-19-clues/

A coronavirus strain similar to Covid-19 was found in a bat-infested copper mine in China seven years ago.

The pathogen was discovered after an outbreak of deaths and underwent clinical testing before being stored in a high-security laboratory in Wuhan, the epicenter of the initial epidemic in January.

Later known as RaTG13, its genomic sequencing “was 96% identical” to SARS-Cov-2, the infectious virus behind the Covid-19 crisis.

“An investigation has uncovered evidence that China failed to share crucial information about the sister virus to Covid-19, even though it is the strongest lead in the hunt for the origins of the pandemic,” the award-winning Insight team from the Sunday Times newspaper in London said.

Humans and Chimps share 99% DNA commonality.
Humans and Neanderthals about 99.5%

Just saying.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

In Hindsight, The Rest Of The World Other Than West Taiwan Failed To Receive Information That Nobody Considered Important Until After The Fact

https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/china-failed-to-share-covid-19-clues/

A coronavirus strain similar to Covid-19 was found in a bat-infested copper mine in China seven years ago.

The pathogen was discovered after an outbreak of deaths and underwent clinical testing before being stored in a high-security laboratory in Wuhan, the epicenter of the initial epidemic in January.

Later known as RaTG13, its genomic sequencing “was 96% identical” to SARS-Cov-2, the infectious virus behind the Covid-19 crisis.

“An investigation has uncovered evidence that China failed to share crucial information about the sister virus to Covid-19, even though it is the strongest lead in the hunt for the origins of the pandemic,” the award-winning Insight team from the Sunday Times newspaper in London said.

Humans and Chimps share 99% DNA commonality.
Humans and Neanderthals about 99.5%

Just saying.

Yeah, it’s been known since the very earliest times that that bat coronavirus is not a match for the human version. And that wasn’t hidden, I’ve known about it since before the USA had its first death.

Melissa Rein Lively, the CEO of a PR company The Brand Consortium in Scottsdale, filmed herself trashing a face mask display at Target

She posted video of herself throwing masks off their shelves and on the ground

She voiced her opposition to masks saying: ‘I don’t need this s***’

When employees asking her to stop she boasted that she has a $40,000 Rolex

 A second video emerged showing cops arresting her at her home, where she claimed she was a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House

When cops arrested her she shouted ‘It’s cause I’m Jewish! This is a Nazi game!’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494197/Angry-Arizona-Karen-films-trashing-rack-face-masks-Target.html

dv said:

Melissa Rein Lively, the CEO of a PR company The Brand Consortium in Scottsdale, filmed herself trashing a face mask display at Target

She posted video of herself throwing masks off their shelves and on the ground

She voiced her opposition to masks saying: ‘I don’t need this s***’

When employees asking her to stop she boasted that she has a $40,000 Rolex

 A second video emerged showing cops arresting her at her home, where she claimed she was a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House

When cops arrested her she shouted ‘It’s cause I’m Jewish! This is a Nazi game!’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494197/Angry-Arizona-Karen-films-trashing-rack-face-masks-Target.html

wtf.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Melissa Rein Lively, the CEO of a PR company The Brand Consortium in Scottsdale, filmed herself trashing a face mask display at Target

She posted video of herself throwing masks off their shelves and on the ground

She voiced her opposition to masks saying: ‘I don’t need this s***’

When employees asking her to stop she boasted that she has a $40,000 Rolex

 A second video emerged showing cops arresting her at her home, where she claimed she was a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House

When cops arrested her she shouted ‘It’s cause I’m Jewish! This is a Nazi game!’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494197/Angry-Arizona-Karen-films-trashing-rack-face-masks-Target.html

wtf.

we’d tell you this is just the endpoint of the whole anti-SCIENCE, anti-expertise, anti-truth toxicity that has pervaded modern society

but unfortunately it very much isn’t the end

meanwhile,

F’ck Immunity Theories And Strategies Getting F’ked

Results from the final stage of a nationwide antibody study have shown some 5 per cent of Spain’s population has been exposed to the new coronavirus, health officials said, confirming findings from earlier stages. The study tested nearly 70,000 people across Spain three times over the past three months. It found the virus’ prevalence had not altered significantly since preliminary results were published in May.

It also suggested that immunity to the virus can be short-lived, with 14 per cent of participants who tested positive for antibodies in the first stage subsequently testing negative in the last stage. The loss of immunity was most common among people who never developed symptoms. “Immunity can be incomplete, it can be transitory, it can last for just a short time and then disappear,” said Dr Raquel Yotti, director of Spain’s Carlos III Health Institute, which co-led the study.

—

Imagine casually going for flock immunity for a highly infectious disease that is poorly understood due to its novelty (what a surprise), not knowing the likely mortality rate, not knowing the likely morbidity rate, not knowing the likely range of incubation periods, not knowing the likely mechanisms of transmission, not knowing the likely pattern or persistence of immunity, imagine just letting it go fucking crazy because, you know, you know nothing.

dv said:

Melissa Rein Lively, the CEO of a PR company The Brand Consortium in Scottsdale, filmed herself trashing a face mask display at Target

She posted video of herself throwing masks off their shelves and on the ground

She voiced her opposition to masks saying: ‘I don’t need this s***’

When employees asking her to stop she boasted that she has a $40,000 Rolex

 A second video emerged showing cops arresting her at her home, where she claimed she was a spokesperson for QAnon and the White House

When cops arrested her she shouted ‘It’s cause I’m Jewish! This is a Nazi game!’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8494197/Angry-Arizona-Karen-films-trashing-rack-face-masks-Target.html

Alt headline.. Masks Cops Lively Opposition

public housing … lockdown … concerns

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/communities-react-to-being-locked-down-melbourne-towers/12425968

Commissioner Might Want To Clarify The Thrust Of Statements

Some 3,000 people have been put into lockdown, with race discrimination commissioner Chin Tan saying many of the public housing residents had fled civil unrest in their home countries.

There have been nasty comments but one might want to be careful that the objection is targeted at those, rather than so easily interpreted as an accusation that locking down a site of active COVID-19 infection is “scapegoating” and “seeking to victimise and increase stigma”.

Well, They Would Say That

85-year-old Gong Kehui … moved to Australia in 1995 and lives in one of the North Melbourne towers. She said she supported the lockdown. “It is beneficial for ourselves and others. I genuinely think many people failed to behave themselves with realising the circumstances.” When asked if she was worried about her wellbeing in lockdown, Ms Gong said: “There is no use in worrying.”

We mean, these MIGRANTS came from Authoritarian Police States with Zero Personal Freedom, of course they would embrace “hard lockdowns” and being told that it’s for their own good, of course they wouldn’t worry about wellbeing because it’s what they’re used to all the time, yeah.

We Must Do It Differently To Successful Countries That Are Full Of FOREIGNERS

“I found out on Friday afternoon when I came back from the shops. They didn’t tell me that we were going to be on lockdown, they said just, ‘Go downstairs, do your COVID test,’ and that was it,” she said. “I then saw it on the news and I went downstairs and they said, ‘You can’t go anywhere, just go back upstairs and stay inside.’” “My kids keep asking me, ‘Why are the police here?’ because sometimes they’re so scared. And they ask what happened downstairs, ‘Why are the police there?’ I don’t even know how to answer them.”

Eritrean mother of three Kay, called the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) because she needed nappies for her baby. But it was not until after 3:00am that the distressed mother was called to collect them from downstairs. “They said they were downstairs and I said, ‘Look, my baby’s asleep, I’ve got other three children who are asleep. Is there someone that can take it upstairs and just leave it in front of the door? … They don’t have to be in contact with me.’” “She said, ‘No, unfortunately no-one can do that.’”

While it may be possible that other countries with high population densities have executed effective lockdowns, it would be out of scope of practice for Victorian, indeed, Australian, authorities to be clear on how much resident movement within apartment complexes is acceptable, and to make up for the restrictions by (for example) delivering supplies and testing to each door. We mean, instead of having all these potentially infected people moving up and down all over the apartment, they could have the trusted tested staff moving instead, reducing the risk of contaminating common areas, but could they really? Could they?

West Taiwanese Mask Menu Diplomacy Continues

Mr Yin from the Federation of Chinese Associations said the group is planning to purchase frozen Chinese dumplings and spring onion pancakes to deliver to the nine towers, so people who prefer Chinese food can have it.

Of course. They probably manufactured this whole crisis, spread COVID-19 and get apartments locked down, so then they could look like the good guys delivering food for the needy. They probably even fill the food full of flavours, all those chemicals that play on your nerve endings like drugs, so that you get addicted and then you need more and more of their Kung Pao Cynicism.

SCIENCE said:

meanwhile,

F’ck Immunity Theories And Strategies Getting F’ked

Results from the final stage of a nationwide antibody study have shown some 5 per cent of Spain’s population has been exposed to the new coronavirus, health officials said, confirming findings from earlier stages. The study tested nearly 70,000 people across Spain three times over the past three months. It found the virus’ prevalence had not altered significantly since preliminary results were published in May.

It also suggested that immunity to the virus can be short-lived, with 14 per cent of participants who tested positive for antibodies in the first stage subsequently testing negative in the last stage. The loss of immunity was most common among people who never developed symptoms. “Immunity can be incomplete, it can be transitory, it can last for just a short time and then disappear,” said Dr Raquel Yotti, director of Spain’s Carlos III Health Institute, which co-led the study.

—

Imagine casually going for flock immunity for a highly infectious disease that is poorly understood due to its novelty (what a surprise), not knowing the likely mortality rate, not knowing the likely morbidity rate, not knowing the likely range of incubation periods, not knowing the likely mechanisms of transmission, not knowing the likely pattern or persistence of immunity, imagine just letting it go fucking crazy because, you know, you know nothing.

> Imagine casually going for flock immunity for a highly infectious disease …

Well, duh, what do you think most of the world is trying for, and it seems that they’re actually succeeding, given the increasing ratio of cases to deaths. The alternative, vaccine, is …

> Results from the final stage of a nationwide antibody study have shown some 5 per cent of Spain’s population has been exposed to the new coronavirus, health officials said, confirming findings from earlier stages. The study tested nearly 70,000 people across Spain three times over the past three months. It found the virus’ prevalence had not altered significantly since preliminary results were published in May.

For the third time it looks as if Spain is the most enlightened country in Europe. It was dealt a really bad hand but has handled it beautifully. That 5% is exceedingly interesting. I would love to know how that compares with China, and USA.

> immunity to the virus can be short-lived, with 14 per cent of participants who tested positive for antibodies in the first stage subsequently testing negative. The loss of immunity was most common among people who never developed symptoms.

It seems to me that those who never developed the disease were probably saved because they were partially immune through herd immunity before they caught the disease. Keep in mind that tests for antibodies may not test for all antibodies, people partially immune through herd immunity (from parts of dead virus) may have a different suite of antibodies to those who were first infected by live virus.

SCIENCE said:

Imagine casually going for flock immunity for a highly infectious disease that is poorly understood due to its novelty (what a surprise), not knowing the likely mortality rate, not knowing the likely morbidity rate, not knowing the likely range of incubation periods, not knowing the likely mechanisms of transmission, not knowing the likely pattern or persistence of immunity, imagine just letting it go fucking crazy because, you know, you know nothing.

There’s a name for that scenario.

‘Sweden’.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Imagine casually going for flock immunity for a highly infectious disease that is poorly understood due to its novelty (what a surprise), not knowing the likely mortality rate, not knowing the likely morbidity rate, not knowing the likely range of incubation periods, not knowing the likely mechanisms of transmission, not knowing the likely pattern or persistence of immunity, imagine just letting it go fucking crazy because, you know, you know nothing.

There’s a name for that scenario.

‘Sweden’.

:)

Or “Brazil”.

The mass exodus from Victoria is on.

Good morning and good luck.

Morning pilgrims, it’s -2 at the redoubt with a heavy frost, cold as buggery.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Imagine casually going for flock immunity for a highly infectious disease that is poorly understood due to its novelty (what a surprise), not knowing the likely mortality rate, not knowing the likely morbidity rate, not knowing the likely range of incubation periods, not knowing the likely mechanisms of transmission, not knowing the likely pattern or persistence of immunity, imagine just letting it go fucking crazy because, you know, you know nothing.

There’s a name for that scenario.

‘Sweden’.

:)

Or “Brazil”.

USA, UK, yada yada.

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

Peak Warming Man said:

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

I suspect we’ll be in full lockdown by the end of the week.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

I suspect we’ll be in full lockdown by the end of the week.

I expect so too. Or at a minimum, all of Melbourne.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

I suspect we’ll be in full lockdown by the end of the week.

Good. Clearly youse can’t be trusted to keep your germs to yourselves!

And I just realised there’s a germ emoji. 🦠

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

I suspect we’ll be in full lockdown by the end of the week.

no yarrabloodywonga for you!!!

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

I suspect we’ll be in full lockdown by the end of the week.

no yarrabloodywonga for you!!!

Yarrabloodywonga is on the Victorian side of the river, you numpty!

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

I suspect we’ll be in full lockdown by the end of the week.

I expect so too. Or at a minimum, all of Melbourne.

We know you’ve heard plenty enough from us so we’ll keep it short and (try to keep it) sarcasm-free.

It’s actually astounding how long it takes these [expletive deleted] authorities to realise how an epidemic like this works. Since the [expletive deleted] start it’s been [expletive deleted] clear that continually chasing the edge of the problem, when the edge is expanding, is a failure strategy. You have to get ahead of it, “ringfence it”, “cast the net wide”, and then wait for control before easing back, narrowing the scope, lifting restrictions, whatever.

The bushfires weren’t that long ago. It’s not that different. Chasing after the fire only when it’s racing away from you doesn’t save lives or property.

We don’t know if it’s deliberate understatement that in Australia we’re going to “suppress” rather than “eradicate” the disease, so that if we fail to succeed (as VIC is showing us so far) it won’t look as bad, but the whole pattern of putting the aim lower than the ideal shot is just ******* stupid.

Does reducing cocoa virus come under Euthenics

I guess I does.

Euthenics /juːˈθɛnɪks/ is the study of the improvement of human functioning and well-being by improvement of living conditions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthenics

Tau.Neutrino said:

Does reducing cocoa virus come under Euthenics

I guess I does.

Euthenics /juːˈθɛnɪks/ is the study of the improvement of human functioning and well-being by improvement of living conditions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthenics

not a new virus :)

cocoa virus = corona virus

SCIENCE said:

We don’t know if it’s deliberate understatement that in Australia we’re going to “suppress” rather than “eradicate” the disease, so that if we fail to succeed (as VIC is showing us so far) it won’t look as bad, but the whole pattern of putting the aim lower than the ideal shot is just ******* stupid.

It’s all about minimising the threat, so that people will be keen to go back to work and go back to spending,. Y’know, The Economy Must Grow. If QANTAS doesn’t get busy soon, Alan Joyce is going to have hard time justifying his bonuses.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

We don’t know if it’s deliberate understatement that in Australia we’re going to “suppress” rather than “eradicate” the disease, so that if we fail to succeed (as VIC is showing us so far) it won’t look as bad, but the whole pattern of putting the aim lower than the ideal shot is just ******* stupid.

It’s all about minimising the threat, so that people will be keen to go back to work and go back to spending,. Y’know, The Economy Must Grow. If QANTAS doesn’t get busy soon, Alan Joyce is going to have hard time justifying his bonuses.

He can buy lot of masks with his disgusting bonuses

Peak Warming Man said:

Almost 200 new cases in Vic today, apparently.

I heard this on the news in the car. Apparently we’ve also had a visit from a Melbourne family to Port Fairy who have now tested positive. The report said they packed up and went home as soon as they realized a member of their family was positive. It’s going to be interesting to watch this district now.

Looks like a new scam.

Coronavirus spreads through the air as aerosol, 230 scientists write in open letter to World Health Organization

The World Health Organization (WHO) has downplayed airborne transmission of COVID-19 since the pandemic began but now more than 200 scientists are making a plea for action, warning people they aren’t as protected as they may think.

The WHO’s view has so far been that COVID-19 is spread predominantly through large respiratory droplets — the ones that come flying out of our mouths when we cough, sneeze and speak but then quickly fall to the ground.

The risk of airborne transmission has not been recognised by the WHO, except in some health care settings.

But now 239 scientists from 32 different countries and many different areas of science (including virology, aerosol physics and epidemiology) have penned an open letter urging the WHO to change their advice.

“We ignore COVID-19 airborne spread indoors at our peril,” the scientists say.

If their plea is heard, the ways in which the world attempts to control the virus could change dramatically.

more…

A Case In Point For Missing The Boat (So Keep Up The Interstate Sledging All Of You Princesses)

Victoria has recorded 191 new cases of coronavirus overnight, the largest single-day increase so far in the state. Of the new cases, 37 are linked to known outbreaks and the remaining 154 are under investigation — meaning health officials are still tracing the source of the infection. The record number of new infections brings the number of active cases of COVID-19 to 772.

The possibility of further lockdowns is a real prospect, with Premier Daniel Andrews previously warning more postcodes could have restrictions reimposed on them if the virus continues to spread. Currently, 12 postcodes covering 39 Melbourne suburbs are under stage three stay-at-home orders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise/12428704

What case in point? Try this.

Early on, we already recognised the doubling time was around 3 days. That puts growth rate per day at 1.26, meaning the number of new infections is 0.26 or approximately 1/4 of the total infections. And that’s only for KNOWN cases.

Consistency check: 191 new cases; active cases 772. Not all of those are the recent outbreak, so perhaps 1% less, like maybe 764.28. As you all know, 191 * 4 = 764 so we’re not just in the order-of-magnitude-engineering-ballpark with the estimate here, we’re a fucking albatross in the cup.

How long does it take to resolve a case that is “under investigation”? 1 working day? 3 infection days over a weekend because obviously viruses don’t take holidays? 1 week which is just over 6 days? Let’s call it 3 to 6 days, which is 1 to 2 doubling periods. That’s fucked. Instead of ringfencing “all possible contacts”, should we stop movement only where the case currently is, and wait for completion of investigation to find the other contacts elsewhere? That could take 2 doubling periods. That means 4 times as many cases. 764 * 4 = 3056 in case we forgot.

“That’s just theoretical!” Fine, bring in some more pseudoreality then. Let’s say we just work with the 154 “under investigation” cases, assuming that the known outbreaks have been controlled (yeah right, look at human behaviour in all our favourite countries). The trouble is that “under investigation” means “no fucking idea”. People could be incubating virus for up to 2 weeks (more if we’re talking the tail 2.5% of cases). In a better-case scenario, that includes the investigation time. In an abject failure, that’s an additional 4, almost 5 doubling periods because of UNKNOWN cases.

So we’re talking minimum 4 to 5 doubling periods (multiply by 16 to 32), or 6 to 7 (multiply by 64 to 128) if the authorities are getting it wrong. We put that at 764 * 138 = 97792 cases in Victoria before the end of July. It really will be New South China. Daily counts as follows.

20200707	150
20200708	189
20200709	238
20200710	300
20200711	378
20200712	476
20200713	600
20200714	756
20200715	952
20200716	1200
20200717	1512
20200718	1905
20200719	2400
20200720	3024
20200721	3810
20200722	4800
20200723	6048
20200724	7620
20200725	9600
20200726	12095
20200727	15239
20200728	19200

Total, including 764 of the latest outbreak, 93256. Congratulations! You’ve saved 97792 – 93256 = 4536 people from getting sick by rounding 154 to 150 and linking 37 cases to known outbreaks!

Tell us we’re wrong.

Federal-State Division Of Powers Allows Leaders With Guts To Do The Right Thing But Also Allows Shit Leaders To Hide Behind Complexity

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/morrison-victorian-closure-wont-budge-high-court-coronavirus/12428894
https://theconversation.com/view-from-the-hill-morrison-government-accepts-victorian-closure-but-wont-budge-on-high-court-border-challenges-142084

But on Monday, Morrison was forced to change course, agreeing, in a hook up with premiers Daniel Andrews and Gladys Berejiklian that the Victorian-NSW border should be closed.

In a somewhat Jesuitical distinction, Morrison said they had agreed “now is the time for Victoria to isolate itself from the rest of the country. What’s different here this isn’t other states closing their borders to Victoria”.

In post ID 1585191 on the Holiday Forum, SCIENCE posted what any Australian with more than 2 brain cells was thinking at this point: “fuck you”.

Average Person On Street Fails To Realise That Mental Health And Drug Health Issues Are Not As Contagious As Respiratory Viruses

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/health-concerns-rise-in-coronavirus-melbourne-tower-lockdown/12427940

Some of the most vulnerable residents of Melbourne’s locked-down towers could suffer long-term health damage if they are denied access to medication, experts warn. A community health service is doorknocking the public housing towers in North Melbourne and Flemington, where 3,000 people have been in “hard lockdown” since Saturday, to ensure medicines and addiction support are reaching those in need. Of the 191 new cases of coronavirus detected since Monday, 13 are linked to the public housing estates, taking the total in the towers to 69.

Muhammed said the lockdown was “unfair” and made him think he “did something wrong”. Ahmed Dini, 32, lives in the Canning Street tower with his cousin and is also a community leader who works with Mr Shanino. He said the community was frustrated with the lack of information, and frustration was quickly turning into anger. “There’s absolutely no trust,” Mr Dini said. For some reason, SARS-experienced countries don’t seem to have the same bullshit problem in dealing with sensible infection control measures, despite widely-reported distrust in government on other measures. He said there were many people in all the towers that struggled with addiction and needed immediate access to methadone and clean syringes, even though proper social distancing would suggest that cross contamination should be zero.

He said one of the worst things about the lockdown was that it felt like an attack on the poor. “This is the Government coming down and saying, ‘You live in our buildings so we can do whatever we want with you.’ You can’t do this in Toorak or Caulfield,” he said. He did not say “this is a pandemic, caused by a highly contagious and lethal pathogen, and perhaps the Government is standing up and saying, “we need to get control on this outbreak right now”, so maybe we would lose even more of our freedom if we ended up in intensive care or dead”.

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

(from the feed)

What would a return to stage 3 lockdowns mean for the economy, according to corporate and The Economy Must Grow fanatics?

While we’re not sure yet if that will or won’t be the case, some analysts say if the state does go into a second lockdown, the recovery of Australia’s economy will feel the pain too.

Here’s a summary from a recent Citi report:

• “So far, we don’t expect the border closures to derail the national economic recovery.
• “A slowdown in activity will occur in the Melbourne suburbs directly locked down
• “What is more important nationally is that states continue with reopening so that households and business can continue slowly returning to more normal daily activities.”

—

WRONG

What would a return to stage 3 lockdowns actually mean for the economy?

It means that there is a higher chance of getting pandemic control, and therefore a more rapid economic recovery.

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

if i didn’t have family there i would say some really negative things about victorians!!!

https://twitter.com/COVIDUpdate2020/status/1279431824679133184

Random Thoughts🤔: Apocalypse Edition

Elimination. My sister lives in Western Australia. They closed the state border and worked to eliminate the virus. They now have complete social and economic freedom within their borders. The Atlantic provinces in Canada did that and have now create a travel bubble among them. 🤷‍♀️

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

if i didn’t have family there i would say some really negative things about victorians!!!

And we all thought Australia was a safe place to be, but open just a crack to permit economic recovery and in rushes covid-19 again. A beautiful checkmate.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

if i didn’t have family there i would say some really negative things about victorians!!!

Like, that we can’t be trusted to wash our hands and not sneeze directly into each other’s eyes?

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Imagine casually going for flock immunity for a highly infectious disease that is poorly understood due to its novelty (what a surprise), not knowing the likely mortality rate, not knowing the likely morbidity rate, not knowing the likely range of incubation periods, not knowing the likely mechanisms of transmission, not knowing the likely pattern or persistence of immunity, imagine just letting it go fucking crazy because, you know, you know nothing.

There’s a name for that scenario.

‘Sweden’.

:)

Or “Brazil”.

USA, UK, yada yada.

…AND…

not knowing the likely complications (though arguably part of morbidity)

Has anyone worked out forward projections (Total Peak) based on current climbing numbers?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Has anyone worked out forward projections (Total Peak) based on current climbing numbers?

I’m not sure that is possible to model with any great reliability. It depends upon the level of isolation and socail distancing achievable as the key driver of slowing the spread. This in turn is dependent upon political considerations and social behaviour/compliance with such measures. This bit is impossible to predict. You can only at best model different scenarios, but you can’t really predict which one will be followed in practice.

How to Safely Reopen Colleges

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2927

Taiwan’s experience suggests that, under certain circumstances, safely reopening colleges and universities this fall may be feasible with a combination of strategies that include containment (access control with contact tracing and quarantine) and mitigation (hygiene, sanitation, ventilation, and social distancing) practices.

Starting on 11 February, all passengers arriving in Taiwan were required to fill out a health declaration card; CECC restricted all foreigners from entry on 19 March and further restricted air flight transfers to Taiwan on 24 March. On 1 April, masks became mandatory on public transportation, and on 4 April, the first national alarm was issued, emphasizing social distancing (4, 5).

All dormitories are cleaned with bleach twice a day. Entry and exit to each dormitory are restricted to a single checkpoint. In the cafeteria, all staff are required to check their body temperature and wear a mask, and 1 dining table is for only 1 student to promote social distancing. For a student under quarantine, the school would arrange for a single room.

As of 18 June 2020, there have been 7 confirmed cases in 6 Taiwanese universities. One university was temporarily closed, adopted virtual classes, and quickly reopened after 14 days of contact tracing and quarantine of possible contacts.

—

Interesting, here we moan about 14 days being 3000000 lifetimes but for another island of 25000000 people, 14 days is quickly.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Has anyone worked out forward projections (Total Peak) based on current climbing numbers?

I’m not sure that is possible to model with any great reliability. It depends upon the level of isolation and socail distancing achievable as the key driver of slowing the spread. This in turn is dependent upon political considerations and social behaviour/compliance with such measures. This bit is impossible to predict. You can only at best model different scenarios, but you can’t really predict which one will be followed in practice.

we think SCIENCE did, here

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1585190/

Tau.Neutrino said:

Has anyone worked out forward projections (Total Peak) based on current climbing numbers?

I calculated 1250 still undiscovered in Vic on 11/5/20, based on the numbers we got from 100,000 carpark tests, which should have been a pretty accurate snapshot.

Wiser Australia

https://www.facebook.com/MarkMcGowanMP/posts/4270633586287816/

The situation regarding COVID-19 around the world and in Victoria continues to evolve – with case numbers in some countries are at unbelievable levels and our friends in Victoria facing an extremely serious situation. The level of community spread inside Victoria is something that we haven’t seen before in this country, and it’s a sobering reminder of why the measures we’ve had to put in place are so important. Today, I have been pleased to hear that common sense has prevailed and the border between Victoria and NSW will now close.

Today I can report we have detected another three new cases of COVID-19 overnight, all these new cases are all returned overseas travellers who flew into Perth recently and have remained in hotel quarantine. With our hard border in place, arrivals to our State has slowed to a trickle, limited mainly to essential services such as freight and handfuls of Western Australians returning. However, if arrivals increase, our resources will start to spread thin. State Government has formally requested the Federal Government to put in place a cap on international arrivals into Perth Airport. This would be something in the vicinity of one flight per three days. Cabinet today approved the drafting of urgent legislation that will force any returning traveller – Western Australian or not – to pay for their 14 days of hotel quarantine.

Clearly our hard border with the east has served us well – but, our hard border is under threat. As we know, Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge is being supported by the Federal Government. The announcement today between NSW and Victoria to close their border is one that I support. But the idea our hard border is being challenged in the High Court is now clearly flawed and completely unnecessary. It does not make sense for the Federal Government to be supporting a border closure between NSW and Victoria, but on the other hand, challenging WA’s border in the High Court of Australia. Quite frankly, the legal challenge, and especially the Commonwealth’s involvement has now become ridiculous. This nonsense has to stop. And it has to stop now.

WA has not recorded a community based infection since the 11th of April – that was 86 days ago. As a result, WA is the most economically free and active State in Australia due to our relaxed restrictions. But we cannot get complacent. I cannot thank the Western Australian community enough for everything they have done over the last four months.

• Don’t go to work if you’re sick.
• Don’t go out or visit friends and family if you’re unwell.
• Maintain a physical distance between others, where possible.
• Cough or sneeze into your elbow.
• Wash your hands regularly, and properly.

SCIENCE said:

Wiser Australia

https://www.facebook.com/MarkMcGowanMP/posts/4270633586287816/

The situation regarding COVID-19 around the world and in Victoria continues to evolve – with case numbers in some countries are at unbelievable levels and our friends in Victoria facing an extremely serious situation. The level of community spread inside Victoria is something that we haven’t seen before in this country, and it’s a sobering reminder of why the measures we’ve had to put in place are so important. Today, I have been pleased to hear that common sense has prevailed and the border between Victoria and NSW will now close.

Today I can report we have detected another three new cases of COVID-19 overnight, all these new cases are all returned overseas travellers who flew into Perth recently and have remained in hotel quarantine. With our hard border in place, arrivals to our State has slowed to a trickle, limited mainly to essential services such as freight and handfuls of Western Australians returning. However, if arrivals increase, our resources will start to spread thin. State Government has formally requested the Federal Government to put in place a cap on international arrivals into Perth Airport. This would be something in the vicinity of one flight per three days. Cabinet today approved the drafting of urgent legislation that will force any returning traveller – Western Australian or not – to pay for their 14 days of hotel quarantine.

Clearly our hard border with the east has served us well – but, our hard border is under threat. As we know, Clive Palmer’s High Court challenge is being supported by the Federal Government. The announcement today between NSW and Victoria to close their border is one that I support. But the idea our hard border is being challenged in the High Court is now clearly flawed and completely unnecessary. It does not make sense for the Federal Government to be supporting a border closure between NSW and Victoria, but on the other hand, challenging WA’s border in the High Court of Australia. Quite frankly, the legal challenge, and especially the Commonwealth’s involvement has now become ridiculous. This nonsense has to stop. And it has to stop now.

WA has not recorded a community based infection since the 11th of April – that was 86 days ago. As a result, WA is the most economically free and active State in Australia due to our relaxed restrictions. But we cannot get complacent. I cannot thank the Western Australian community enough for everything they have done over the last four months.

• Don’t go to work if you’re sick.
• Don’t go out or visit friends and family if you’re unwell.
• Maintain a physical distance between others, where possible.
• Cough or sneeze into your elbow.
• Wash your hands regularly, and properly.
  

Perhaps the movers and shakers of the various economies need to get it and even some die so they don’t try to bully the economies into being reopened.

Ah well…another 6 weeks before we can even think about seeing my Mum.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970#live-blog-post-1190760493

buffy said:

Ah well…another 6 weeks before we can even think about seeing my Mum.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970#live-blog-post-1190760493

SWMBO visited her sister, who lives in a home, for the first time since this all started yesterday. She is very relieved that she did.

“I’m very sorry that we find ourselves in this position. I would, with the greatest of respect, put it to you getting this virus and dying from it is very onerous too.”

Andrews

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

if i didn’t have family there i would say some really negative things about victorians!!!

I’ve got family there as well.

PermeateFree said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

if i didn’t have family there i would say some really negative things about victorians!!!

And we all thought Australia was a safe place to be, but open just a crack to permit economic recovery and in rushes covid-19 again. A beautiful checkmate.

What price economic growth?

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

JudgeMental said:

if i didn’t have family there i would say some really negative things about victorians!!!

And we all thought Australia was a safe place to be, but open just a crack to permit economic recovery and in rushes covid-19 again. A beautiful checkmate.

What price economic growth?

“I’m very sorry that we find ourselves in this position. I would, with the greatest of respect, put it to you getting this virus and dying from it is very onerous too.”

buffy said:

Ah well…another 6 weeks before we can even think about seeing my Mum.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970#live-blog-post-1190760493

she has no video and internet connectivity ¿

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Stage 3 restrictions reimposed on metropolitan Melbourne

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970

if i didn’t have family there i would say some really negative things about victorians!!!

I’ve got family there as well.

I don’t so I can say whatever I damn well please!

Ian said:

“I’m very sorry that we find ourselves in this position. I would, with the greatest of respect, put it to you getting this virus and dying from it is very onerous too.”

Andrews

At the National Cronies Cabinet meeting 1 month ago.

M: So we seem to have done all right with this pandemic despite my fucking around with USUK BJ and DT and still going to the footy bullshit.

B: And we kept the Right Wing Donors happy by stopping the boats except the one that mattered, but it’s all right because our state borders are still open.

M: But they’re getting upset again because we still have all these people struggling through the temporary economic impacts, and we have to keep them alive somehow, but our Political Corruption Donors think the welfare payments are too high.

B: Maybe we need some way of showing everyone that the problem is legit’, like it could fuck us over in Australia just like it fucked the rest of the world (except some ASIAN countries), and we aren’t immune to it either.

M: Well what do you reckon, we do a little experiment, more locally, like in one state or something? Let people run around a bit, spread a few cases around, show our Generous Donors that this ChinaVirus thing doesn’t joke around, that it might even cost more if we let it bounce back and smack us in the face, that kind of thing.

B: Look, we reopened our schools like you wanted, and it wasn’t too bad, but we’ve never had border restrictions, isn’t that what you wanted as well? Aren’t we your good friends? Cut us some slack will ya?

M: Do we have any volunteers then? You know, we’re all in this together… I know we all care about our political careers. What we need is someone with the highest approval rating so far, someone who can take a hit and not crash too hard, take one for the team. Team M for the win!

B: Well, there’s another state that has it open, no border restrictions, high approval… and they’re pretty into the Social Justice thing, they’re into all this protest stuff, higher population density than the rest of us, it’ll be just the ticket.

A: No! No fucking way! Absolutely not! Please no…

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Ah well…another 6 weeks before we can even think about seeing my Mum.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970#live-blog-post-1190760493

she has no video and internet connectivity ¿

She doesn’t even talk on the phone any more, hasn’t for about 3 years. She lives in a nice cosy little 10 minute dementia world. She will not remember that we haven’t been since Christmas.

Apparently this image is of Victorian refugees at Melbourne Airport preparing to make the treacherous journey to NSW.

We cannot speak for the veracity of the claims.

SCIENCE said:

Apparently this image is of Victorian refugees at Melbourne Airport preparing to make the treacherous journey to NSW.

We cannot speak for the veracity of the claims.

Are they going to have longer and wider planes now with 1.5 meter spacing ?

a whole bunch of memes were just posted in the sssf facebook page. One included chronic hypnic jerking as a covid symptom. One talked about weird inexplicable changes to the menstrual cycle.

I am not going to let new lockdowns prevent me from using the chainsaw in Frankston on the weekend.

I am prepared to risk a 0.00001% chance of dying from Covid-19 in order to risk a thousand times greater risk of dying from a chainsaw-related accident.

mollwollfumble said:

I am not going to let new lockdowns prevent me from using the chainsaw in Frankston on the weekend.

I am prepared to risk a 0.00001% chance of dying from Covid-19 in order to risk a thousand times greater risk of dying from a chainsaw-related accident.

Interesting.
Studies have shown that we are more likely to be scared of things that we have no control over like a plane crash than things that we have control over like falling off a ladder.

mollwollfumble said:

I am not going to let new lockdowns prevent me from using the chainsaw in Frankston on the weekend.

I am prepared to risk a 0.00001% chance of dying from Covid-19 in order to risk a thousand times greater risk of dying from a chainsaw-related accident.

moll…the restrictions don’t let you go to do that:

What restrictions will be in place for Metro Melbourne and Mitchell Shire residents

From 11.59pm on July 8, residents must stay at home unless it’s for:

Shopping for food or other essentials

Medical purposes and caregiving

Work and study if it can’t be done from home (only Year 11/12/VCE students and special needs students will return to classrooms as normal)

Exercise (but people cannot leave or enter the restricted areas of Metropolitan Melbourne/Mitchell Shire)

Limits on gatherings:

No visitors at home

No more than two people (or your household group) gathering in public

Weddings limited to five people

Funerals limited to 10 people (plus those conducting)

Intimate partners can visit each other

Businesses:

Retail, markets and hairdressers can stay OPEN (subject to conditions)

Cafes, restaurants, pubs, clubs and bars can do TAKEAWAY ONLY

Arenas, stadiums, food courts, cinemas, concert venues, casinos and gaming, brothels and strip clubs, beauty services, holiday accommodation, campgrounds, pools, playgrounds, saunas, galleries, museums and zoos will CLOSE

Real estate auctions will be done remotely and house inspections only by appointment

Activity:

Subject to conditions, fishing, boating, tennis, golf and surfing can CONTINUE

Community sport and indoor sport and recreation will CLOSE

Religious ceremonies will be BROADCAST ONLY

Holidays:

If you’re already holidaying, you can complete that holiday

No new holiday travel can be undertaken from 11.59pm on July 8

You can’t visit a second residence outside the restricted areas

REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970#live-blog-post-1190760493

I heard on the news that they intend to be rather strict about you being at your principle place of residence.

buffy said:

I heard on the news that they intend to be rather strict about you being at your principle place of residence.

This area has the highest % of people >85 of any postcode in Australia, and the area is flooded with tourists, mostly from the parts of Melbourne that are locked down already.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I heard on the news that they intend to be rather strict about you being at your principle place of residence.

This area has the highest % of people >85 of any postcode in Australia, and the area is flooded with tourists, mostly from the parts of Melbourne that are locked down already.

I haven’t seen many tourists the last few days, but the weather has been horrible. I have no idea what it is like in the Grampians. I drove from here to Casterton and back today and only had the usual log trucks and other B-doubles to contend with. Our bakery has had more business than usual, but it could be local area school holiday kids with their grandparents. On the radio there was a mention of a family holidaying in Port Fairy who had to pack up and go back to Melbourne because of positive tests. It wasn’t quite clear to me if it was them who tested positive, or if someone they knew in Melbourne tested positive and they went home because of that.

A possible running mate for Joe the Fox Biden, Keisha Lance Bottoms, has convid.

Here it is:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/port-fairy-coronavirus-scare/12430142

Peak Warming Man said:

A possible running mate for Joe the Fox Biden, Keisha Lance Bottoms, has convid.

i think the covid is the least of lance bottoms problems.

Peak Warming Man said:

A possible running mate for Joe the Fox Biden, Keisha Lance Bottoms, has convid.

what a bottomer.

buffy said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I have been so stupid. But I think I’m not the only one.

It only occurred to me this morning that vaccines to respiratory viruses are both produced naturally (without medical help) but spread naturally. Coughs and sneezes not only spread diseases, they also spread vaccines, and they may spread vaccines more efficiently than they spread viruses.

It works as follows.
Person 1 is infected and in active virus spreading phase.
Person 2 has recovered and has broken down parts of dead virus in zis respiratory tract.
Person 3 has never been exposed to the virus.

Suppose Person 1 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3 gets infected.

But suppose Person 2 coughs and Person 3 gets exposed. Then Person 3’s immune system reacts to the dead viruses and builds up partial or total immunity. Subsequently, if Person 3 gets exposed to live virus then the virus will have a harder time finding a foothold And if Person 3 becomes infected then the infection will be less severe because of the pre-activation of Person 3’s immune system. Person 3 has been vaccinated by Person 2.

Because the coronavirus is so large, the spread of parts of dead virus in small droplets is very much easier than the spread of live virus.

Conclusion 1. Coughs and sneezes spread immunity.
Conclusion 2. If you have recovered from Covid-19, three weeks after first diagnosis, spread your coughs and sneezes as far as you can to everybody.

Ooh, there it is again…moll, where is that graph from?

And I’ll bring my comment in from last week’s thread too:

>>Dr Stelzer-Braid said the testing regime identified even the smallest presence of the virus in a person’s system.

“It’s picking up parts of viral genome but that doesn’t mean the virus is infectious,” she said.

“We’ve got be cautious but the risk of someone else contracting is low.”<<

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-03/positive-coronavirus-case-flew-from-nsw-to-vic-heres-why/12417186

The logical extension of that is that there are now many more people who have had it, many asymptomatically, so some of them may test positive from viral fragments if they then get an “ordinary” cold or flu and get tested. Back at the beginning there were fewer people in this situation. That will complicate things a bit. As well as the usual false positives that happen anyway. But is that likely to be enough to give that graph?

Yes.

It’s only one of two possible explanations, but the other explanation is almost identical. The other explanation is that these are real cases where people have previously been vaccinated by natural means, ie. by inhaling dead virus particles. It’s almost identical because both explanations involve large numbers of dead viruses in the air.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I am not going to let new lockdowns prevent me from using the chainsaw in Frankston on the weekend.

I am prepared to risk a 0.00001% chance of dying from Covid-19 in order to risk a thousand times greater risk of dying from a chainsaw-related accident.

moll…the restrictions don’t let you go to do that:

What restrictions will be in place for Metro Melbourne and Mitchell Shire residents
From 11.59pm on July 8, residents must stay at home unless it’s for:

Shopping for food or other essentials
Medical purposes and caregiving
Work and study if it can’t be done from home (only Year 11/12/VCE students and special needs students will return to classrooms as normal)
Exercise (but people cannot leave or enter the restricted areas of Metropolitan Melbourne/Mitchell Shire)

Limits on gatherings:
No visitors at home
No more than two people (or your household group) gathering in public
Weddings limited to five people
Funerals limited to 10 people (plus those conducting)
Intimate partners can visit each other

Businesses:
Retail, markets and hairdressers can stay OPEN (subject to conditions)
Cafes, restaurants, pubs, clubs and bars can do TAKEAWAY ONLY
Arenas, stadiums, food courts, cinemas, concert venues, casinos and gaming, brothels and strip clubs, beauty services, holiday accommodation, campgrounds, pools, playgrounds, saunas, galleries, museums and zoos will CLOSE
Real estate auctions will be done remotely and house inspections only by appointment

Activity:
Subject to conditions, fishing, boating, tennis, golf and surfing can CONTINUE
Community sport and indoor sport and recreation will CLOSE
Religious ceremonies will be BROADCAST ONLY

Holidays:
If you’re already holidaying, you can complete that holiday
No new holiday travel can be undertaken from 11.59pm on July 8
You can’t visit a second residence outside the restricted areas

REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970#live-blog-post-1190760493

I heard on the news that they intend to be rather strict about you being at your principle place of residence.

Am I allowed to pretend to live in Frankston?

> Intimate partners can visit each other

Well there’s your problem.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I am not going to let new lockdowns prevent me from using the chainsaw in Frankston on the weekend.

I am prepared to risk a 0.00001% chance of dying from Covid-19 in order to risk a thousand times greater risk of dying from a chainsaw-related accident.

moll…the restrictions don’t let you go to do that:

What restrictions will be in place for Metro Melbourne and Mitchell Shire residents
From 11.59pm on July 8, residents must stay at home unless it’s for:

Shopping for food or other essentials
Medical purposes and caregiving
Work and study if it can’t be done from home (only Year 11/12/VCE students and special needs students will return to classrooms as normal)
Exercise (but people cannot leave or enter the restricted areas of Metropolitan Melbourne/Mitchell Shire)

Limits on gatherings:
No visitors at home
No more than two people (or your household group) gathering in public
Weddings limited to five people
Funerals limited to 10 people (plus those conducting)
Intimate partners can visit each other

Businesses:
Retail, markets and hairdressers can stay OPEN (subject to conditions)
Cafes, restaurants, pubs, clubs and bars can do TAKEAWAY ONLY
Arenas, stadiums, food courts, cinemas, concert venues, casinos and gaming, brothels and strip clubs, beauty services, holiday accommodation, campgrounds, pools, playgrounds, saunas, galleries, museums and zoos will CLOSE
Real estate auctions will be done remotely and house inspections only by appointment

Activity:
Subject to conditions, fishing, boating, tennis, golf and surfing can CONTINUE
Community sport and indoor sport and recreation will CLOSE
Religious ceremonies will be BROADCAST ONLY

Holidays:
If you’re already holidaying, you can complete that holiday
No new holiday travel can be undertaken from 11.59pm on July 8
You can’t visit a second residence outside the restricted areas

REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/12427970#live-blog-post-1190760493

I heard on the news that they intend to be rather strict about you being at your principle place of residence.

Am I allowed to pretend to live in Frankston?

> Intimate partners can visit each other

Well there’s your problem.

>>Am I allowed to pretend to live in Frankston?<<

They did quite specifically say they would be cracking down on people doing that. And if they ask you you have to provide ID.

You are asking for a fine.

Like Australia, Switzerland and Serbia both had Second Spikes, but you’d be hoping that Australia has a spike more like Switzerland than like Serbia

Speaking of States Starting with ‘S’,

• South Africa is pretty fucked
• Spain started early but slowed it right down
• Saudi Arabia is still in the shitter
• Sweden … LOL … something screwy with their statistics
• Singapore … sigh … sucks to be a migrant worker there
• South Korea seems endemic, that one slipped out of the bag
• Sudan, Senegal, Somalia, Sierra Leone … more sadness
• Slovakia, Slovenia similar second spikes too
  and some smaller ones which we shall not speculate on.

Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

Bolsonaro, 65, has repeatedly trivialized the pandemic and flouted social distancing, even as Brazil became the second-worst-hit country after the United States, with more than 65,000 deaths and 1.6m confirmed cases.

In March, as Covid-19 claimed its first victims in Brazil, the far-right populist used an address to the nation to brag that, if infected, he would quickly shake off the illness thanks to his “athlete’s background”.

Since then, Bolsonaro has continued to attend social events and political rallies, often wearing masks incorrectly, or not wearing them at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/jair-bolsonaro-coronavirus-positive-test-brazil-president

dv said:

Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

Bolsonaro, 65, has repeatedly trivialized the pandemic and flouted social distancing, even as Brazil became the second-worst-hit country after the United States, with more than 65,000 deaths and 1.6m confirmed cases.

In March, as Covid-19 claimed its first victims in Brazil, the far-right populist used an address to the nation to brag that, if infected, he would quickly shake off the illness thanks to his “athlete’s background”.

Since then, Bolsonaro has continued to attend social events and political rallies, often wearing masks incorrectly, or not wearing them at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/jair-bolsonaro-coronavirus-positive-test-brazil-president

I’m going to make a really, really big effort…

HUUURRRREEEEGGGGGHHHHHHHGRRRRRAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!

nup, can’t muster up any sympathy.

Bojo’s had it, Jair’s had it… just one member of the AoS left

dv said:

Bojo’s had it, Jair’s had it… just one member of the AoS left

two

Rodrigo Duterte, Philippines.

dv said:

Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

Bolsonaro, 65, has repeatedly trivialized the pandemic and flouted social distancing, even as Brazil became the second-worst-hit country after the United States, with more than 65,000 deaths and 1.6m confirmed cases.

In March, as Covid-19 claimed its first victims in Brazil, the far-right populist used an address to the nation to brag that, if infected, he would quickly shake off the illness thanks to his “athlete’s background”.

Since then, Bolsonaro has continued to attend social events and political rallies, often wearing masks incorrectly, or not wearing them at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/jair-bolsonaro-coronavirus-positive-test-brazil-president

Ain’t karma a bitch?

ABC News:

‘It’s soul destroying’: Melbourne calls last drinks as people prepare for another six weeks of lockdown

By Rachel Clayton
Punters are heading out for their last night of freedom before six weeks of a second round of lockdown begins at midnight. But some say they knew it was coming and staying in lockdown longer the first time would have been a better option.

This is one reason why things are bad in Melbourne.

Some people there are idiots.

My experiences of Melbourne winter tell me that going out and sitting outside on a winter’s night at a cafe or whatever in Melbourne is probably more about posing than eating. And those ridiculous outdoor ‘heaters’ aren’t going to help a bit.

People this dumb are unlikely to be able to believe that they (of all people!) could be victims/vectors of the disease, or be able to follow simple rules about it.

It’s the fault of the people, it’s not like the government had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

poikilotherm said:

It’s the fault of the people, it’s not like the government had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

It’s the fault of the virus. It’s not like the vaccine regulatory committees had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘It’s soul destroying’: Melbourne calls last drinks as people prepare for another six weeks of lockdown

By Rachel Clayton
Punters are heading out for their last night of freedom before six weeks of a second round of lockdown begins at midnight. But some say they knew it was coming and staying in lockdown longer the first time would have been a better option.

This is one reason why things are bad in Melbourne.

Some people there are idiots.

My experiences of Melbourne winter tell me that going out and sitting outside on a winter’s night at a cafe or whatever in Melbourne is probably more about posing than eating. And those ridiculous outdoor ‘heaters’ aren’t going to help a bit.

People this dumb are unlikely to be able to believe that they (of all people!) could be victims/vectors of the disease, or be able to follow simple rules about it.

Actually, outside is safer than inside.

>>What’s more, that study found every outbreak involving three or more people occurred indoors.

“Outdoors there are many factors such as air flow, humidity, sunshine which will lower the chance of the virus “surviving”, or being able to maintain infectivity,” Dr Sacha Stelzer-Braid, a virologist from UNSW said.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-08/coronavirus-threat-in-melbournes-high-rise-towers-explained/12430218

But from the captain’s referenced article:

>>When Michelle Logan heard the city was about to go back into lockdown she dropped everything and headed out for cocktails…..She called close friend Gareth Cole minutes after the Premier’s announcement on Tuesday afternoon and told him to cancel all his upcoming Zoom meetings.

“I told him you can’t do them, I don’t care who they’re with or why you’re having them,” she said.

The couple had a cocktail at one bar then came to their local joint Jimmy Jams in Ormond Road, Elwood for a glass of wine and nibbles.<<

Really? That shows incredible lack of insight. Like somehow it was all going to be turned on bad at midnight.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘It’s soul destroying’: Melbourne calls last drinks as people prepare for another six weeks of lockdown

By Rachel Clayton
Punters are heading out for their last night of freedom before six weeks of a second round of lockdown begins at midnight. But some say they knew it was coming and staying in lockdown longer the first time would have been a better option.

This is one reason why things are bad in Melbourne.

Some people there are idiots.

My experiences of Melbourne winter tell me that going out and sitting outside on a winter’s night at a cafe or whatever in Melbourne is probably more about posing than eating. And those ridiculous outdoor ‘heaters’ aren’t going to help a bit.

People this dumb are unlikely to be able to believe that they (of all people!) could be victims/vectors of the disease, or be able to follow simple rules about it.

Actually, outside is safer than inside.

>>What’s more, that study found every outbreak involving three or more people occurred indoors.

“Outdoors there are many factors such as air flow, humidity, sunshine which will lower the chance of the virus “surviving”, or being able to maintain infectivity,” Dr Sacha Stelzer-Braid, a virologist from UNSW said.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-08/coronavirus-threat-in-melbournes-high-rise-towers-explained/12430218

But from the captain’s referenced article:

>>When Michelle Logan heard the city was about to go back into lockdown she dropped everything and headed out for cocktails…..She called close friend Gareth Cole minutes after the Premier’s announcement on Tuesday afternoon and told him to cancel all his upcoming Zoom meetings.

“I told him you can’t do them, I don’t care who they’re with or why you’re having them,” she said.

The couple had a cocktail at one bar then came to their local joint Jimmy Jams in Ormond Road, Elwood for a glass of wine and nibbles.<<

Really? That shows incredible lack of insight. Like somehow it was all going to be turned on bad at midnight.

I know some very bright knowledgeable Victorians. Michelle and her friend appear not to be amongst those.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘It’s soul destroying’: Melbourne calls last drinks as people prepare for another six weeks of lockdown

By Rachel Clayton
Punters are heading out for their last night of freedom before six weeks of a second round of lockdown begins at midnight. But some say they knew it was coming and staying in lockdown longer the first time would have been a better option.

This is one reason why things are bad in Melbourne.

Some people there are idiots.

My experiences of Melbourne winter tell me that going out and sitting outside on a winter’s night at a cafe or whatever in Melbourne is probably more about posing than eating. And those ridiculous outdoor ‘heaters’ aren’t going to help a bit.

People this dumb are unlikely to be able to believe that they (of all people!) could be victims/vectors of the disease, or be able to follow simple rules about it.

obviously never been to europe.

dv said:

Bojo’s had it, Jair’s had it… just one member of the AoS left

AoS? arse of soles?

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Bojo’s had it, Jair’s had it… just one member of the AoS left

AoS? arse of soles?

Axis of Stupid

Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Bojo’s had it, Jair’s had it… just one member of the AoS left

AoS? arse of soles?

Axis of Stupid

isn’t that axes off kilter?

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

AoS? arse of soles?

Axis of Stupid

isn’t that axes off kilter?

or skew of wif?

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘It’s soul destroying’: Melbourne calls last drinks as people prepare for another six weeks of lockdown

By Rachel Clayton
Punters are heading out for their last night of freedom before six weeks of a second round of lockdown begins at midnight. But some say they knew it was coming and staying in lockdown longer the first time would have been a better option.

This is one reason why things are bad in Melbourne.

Some people there are idiots.

My experiences of Melbourne winter tell me that going out and sitting outside on a winter’s night at a cafe or whatever in Melbourne is probably more about posing than eating. And those ridiculous outdoor ‘heaters’ aren’t going to help a bit.

People this dumb are unlikely to be able to believe that they (of all people!) could be victims/vectors of the disease, or be able to follow simple rules about it.

obviously never been to europe.

Not in the chilly seasons/parts.

I once asked a noted wine person/restaurant owner about the ‘red wine at room temperature ‘ thing. He said that it was a European thing that pre-dated airconditioning and central heating.

‘If you’d been served red wine in some of the rooms i’ve been in in Europe’, he said ‘you’d never equate ‘room temperature’ with ‘warm’. Australians usually drink reds too warm. If you want to put your reds in the fridge, go ahead, enjoy’.

mollwollfumble said:

poikilotherm said:

It’s the fault of the people, it’s not like the government had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

It’s the fault of the virus. It’s not like the vaccine regulatory committees had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

Brush teeth regularly, preferably with an antibacterial toothpaste.

Oral hygiene and severity of COVID-19 – the connection

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200630/Oral-hygiene-and-severity-of-COVID-19-e28093-the-connection.aspx

Bubblecar said:

Brush teeth regularly, preferably with an antibacterial toothpaste.

Oral hygiene and severity of COVID-19 – the connection

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200630/Oral-hygiene-and-severity-of-COVID-19-e28093-the-connection.aspx

Makes sense that oral hygiene has been touted.

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

poikilotherm said:

It’s the fault of the people, it’s not like the government had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

It’s the fault of the virus. It’s not like the vaccine regulatory committees had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s the fault of the virus. It’s not like the vaccine regulatory committees had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

community education?

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s the fault of the virus. It’s not like the vaccine regulatory committees had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Should be Community HEALTH Education.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Should be Community HEALTH Education.

I’ve actually got a diploma in CHE.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s the fault of the virus. It’s not like the vaccine regulatory committees had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Community education.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

What is comm ed?

Should be Community HEALTH Education.

I’ve actually got a diploma in CHE.

Not that I bother with it much.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s the fault of the virus. It’s not like the vaccine regulatory committees had the ability to do anything to prevent this…

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Commie endoctrination I think.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Commie endoctrination I think.

Subtitled Little Red Book?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

What is comm ed?

Commie endoctrination I think.

Subtitled Little Red Book?

I worked at the printers that printed the Aussie version.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Commie endoctrination I think.

Comrade Ed: A soviet era TV show about a talking horse…

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Commie endoctrination I think.

Subtitled Little Red Book?

I worked at the printers that printed the Aussie version.

Well then I had your work in my hands once upona time long ago.

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

What is comm ed?

Commie endoctrination I think.

Comrade Ed: A soviet era TV show about a talking horse…

Pay that one.

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Commie endoctrination I think.

Comrade Ed: A soviet era TV show about a talking horse…

Pay that one.

Co-staring Vilber instead of Wilber

imagine a pathogen that, quite by accident, hijacked the shared intelligence of the human species

transition said:

imagine a pathogen that, quite by accident, hijacked the shared intelligence of the human species

This has already happened in the US.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

imagine a pathogen that, quite by accident, hijacked the shared intelligence of the human species

This has already happened in the US.

Seems like it doesn’t it many act like its all over and done for months not ongoing everywhere

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

imagine a pathogen that, quite by accident, hijacked the shared intelligence of the human species

This has already happened in the US.

Seems like it doesn’t it many act like its all over and done for months not ongoing everywhere

Looks like I’m a bit out with my prediction.

I predicted Worldometer would get to 12 million cases by tomorrow. Looks like they’ll hit that today.

party_pants said:

Looks like I’m a bit out with my prediction.

I predicted Worldometer would get to 12 million cases by tomorrow. Looks like they’ll hit that today.

At a stroll.

I see Brazil are back into the high 40 thousands after the weekend, with deaths back up over the 1000.

Rule 303 said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Has anybody mentioned that Health Vic are shit at comm ed? Yes. Yes they have.

It was me, several times….

Because Health are shit are comm ed!

I will be submitting the above to the Royal Commission.

What is comm ed?

Community education.

Ta.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Commie endoctrination I think.

Subtitled Little Red Book?

I worked at the printers that printed the Aussie version.

I have one of those…

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

What is comm ed?

Commie endoctrination I think.

Comrade Ed: A soviet era TV show about a talking horse…

LOLz

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

imagine a pathogen that, quite by accident, hijacked the shared intelligence of the human species

This has already happened in the US.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

‘My position on borders hasn’t changed’, says Morrison

Mr Morrison is asked a two-part question, on the expiry of JobKeeper and his position on borders reopening. He addresses the latter first up.

“My position on borders hasn’t changed. We need to understand what’s happened here in Victoria. What we have effectively done is Victoria has self-isolated. So that creates a protection for all the other states and territories at the one time and it doesn’t leave it to the arbitrary decision of one premier or another premier.

“I mean, my view about people moving from New South Wales to Queensland or to South Australia or Western Australia has not changed. When you have a situation of an outbreak, you contain the outbreak. And that outbreak is presently in Melbourne. And to ensure we don’t get further breaches of that, that outbreak is being contained now at the Victorian border. And that has always been the approach.

“Arbitrary decisions about state borders is a separate issue and we’ll continue to maintain our position – that Australia is one country and that response that is needed in relation to outbreaks, well, that will be put in place and that will provide the appropriate protections and that’s what’s being done.

“This is about Victoria isolating itself, not other states shutting itself office to Victoria. There’s a key difference in that.”

………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

More poli-speak waffle.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria/12432206

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

dv said:

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

Most things south of the 49th parallel are anomalies.

dv said:

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

Or it could just be the natural lag in between a surge in new cases and a corresponding surge in deaths as those cases work through the process.

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

Quite a number of bands sampled Bush’s speeches in songs (anti-him) I wonder if Trump will get the same deal in years to come

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

yep. Anyone but Trump.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

yep. Anyone but Trump.

I wonder if they have a book Presidenting for Dummies that he uses

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

yep. Anyone but Trump.

The trend seems to be downward so the next one could easily be worse.

While we’re pleased to not have Abbott as PM, i can tell you that there’s people in Canberra who are vastly more happy about it.

Tony was very much driven by the desire for revenge, and Peta Credlin had her own list of ‘people whose lives i should make an agonising and endless torture’.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

yep. Anyone but Trump.

hence the name they give COVID-19 in political circles, “low bar pneumonia”*

*: (in contrast to the actual condition, which is more typically organising or multilobar pneumonia)

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

……. and don’t forget Ronnie Raygun.

Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

……. and don’t forget Ronnie Raygun.

The peanut farmer was probably the better of that bunch.

dv said:

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

Considering the increasing number of cases, isn’t an increasing number of deaths to be expected?

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

Just saw that too.

I think the first time I have made a favourable comment about him to Ms Rev D.

Totally different to the political rant from the state Lib guy yesterday.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

Considering the increasing number of cases, isn’t an increasing number of deaths to be expected?

You’d think so.

captain_spalding said:

While we’re pleased to not have Abbott as PM, i can tell you that there’s people in Canberra who are vastly more happy about it.

Tony was very much driven by the desire for revenge, and Peta Credlin had her own list of ‘people whose lives i should make an agonising and endless torture’.

I am sure they were having a thing.

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

It’ll be the same in the US.

No matter how useless a US Prez is after this ‘at least it’s not Trump!’.

And yes, i’m mindful that that’s what we thought of GW Bush.

……. and don’t forget Ronnie Raygun.

The peanut farmer was probably the better of that bunch.

still is.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

Considering the increasing number of cases, isn’t an increasing number of deaths to be expected?

Not necessarily, Russia has had over 7 million cases and only 2 deaths.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

Considering the increasing number of cases, isn’t an increasing number of deaths to be expected?

Not necessarily, Russia has had over 7 million cases and only 2 deaths.

OK, but last week it was 0 deaths.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

Just saw that too.

I think the first time I have made a favourable comment about him to Ms Rev D.

Totally different to the political rant from the state Lib guy yesterday.

Gutwein has the highest popularity among state premiers. He is not a goody. But under these circumstances he is looking good.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

While we’re pleased to not have Abbott as PM, i can tell you that there’s people in Canberra who are vastly more happy about it.

Tony was very much driven by the desire for revenge, and Peta Credlin had her own list of ‘people whose lives i should make an agonising and endless torture’.

I am sure they were having a thing.

or she was.

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

Just saw that too.

I think the first time I have made a favourable comment about him to Ms Rev D.

Totally different to the political rant from the state Lib guy yesterday.

Gutwein has the highest popularity among state premiers. He is not a goody. But under these circumstances he is looking good.

Lance Bottoms is pretty popular in Atlanta.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

……. and don’t forget Ronnie Raygun.

The peanut farmer was probably the better of that bunch.

still is.

LBJ was the one I detested most.

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

I was just watching ScoMO on the teev.

I don’t like ScoMO. But it made me reflect on how happy I am not to have Tony Abbot as PM atm.

Just saw that too.

I think the first time I have made a favourable comment about him to Ms Rev D.

Totally different to the political rant from the state Lib guy yesterday.

Gutwein has the highest popularity among state premiers. He is not a goody. But under these circumstances he is looking good.

It was the Vic Lib leader I heard yesterday.

Actually I’m not sure who he was, other than clearly not Labor.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

……. and don’t forget Ronnie Raygun.

The peanut farmer was probably the better of that bunch.

still is.

So history hasn’t changed.

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

The peanut farmer was probably the better of that bunch.

still is.

LBJ was the one I detested most.

I was mostly upset with us going all the way with him.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

The peanut farmer was probably the better of that bunch.

still is.

So history hasn’t changed.

He had heart probs the other day while he was building another house for humanity.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just saw that too.

I think the first time I have made a favourable comment about him to Ms Rev D.

Totally different to the political rant from the state Lib guy yesterday.

Gutwein has the highest popularity among state premiers. He is not a goody. But under these circumstances he is looking good.

Lance Bottoms is pretty popular in Atlanta.

He’s on the boil.

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

still is.

LBJ was the one I detested most.

I was mostly upset with us going all the way with him.

Actively protested myself.

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

still is.

LBJ was the one I detested most.

I was mostly upset with us going all the way with him.

That was part of it.

Dear Property Owner, City Council is scheduled to visit each property in the Village Sewerage Scheme next week. The reason for the visit is to survey the collection tank, alarm panel and inspection shaft for inclusion into Council’s geographic information system (GIS) in order to record and be able to access the location of the assets in the future.
During the COVID-19 pandemic we are taking additional steps to make sure everyone can stay healthy and safe when your property is visited. It is very important that you inform us in advance if anyone in your household is unwell and have symptoms related to COVID-19? This includes fever, coughing, sore throat or sneezing? Or is anyone in your household self-isolating, for example, because they have travelled recently?
By informing us in advance, and maintaining social distancing rules when we are on your property, you are helping us manage the risk to the health and safety of our staff and yourself.

My question is, which day are you coming? Because I could pick up an infection on any particular day. Should I schedule ahead?

A Brisbane man has been granted bail after police found $4.35 million cash in his car during a routine traffic stop.
It’s a bit on the high side but you are allowed to carry money around in your glovebox for emergencies and the like not to mention that you can be locked up and locked down anywhere, anytime these days for at least 14 days.
And he’s probably worked very hard for his money, and he could well have just taken it out of his super.
I cant see the cade against this innocent man standing up in court.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

USA has recorded 993 deaths yesterday, it’s highest in 4 weeks, but it might just be an anomaly.

Considering the increasing number of cases, isn’t an increasing number of deaths to be expected?

Not necessarily, Russia has had over 7 million cases and only 2 deaths.

LOLs

Peak Warming Man said:

A Brisbane man has been granted bail after police found $4.35 million cash in his car during a routine traffic stop.
It’s a bit on the high side but you are allowed to carry money around in your glovebox for emergencies and the like not to mention that you can be locked up and locked down anywhere, anytime these days for at least 14 days.
And he’s probably worked very hard for his money, and he could well have just taken it out of his super.
I cant see the cade against this innocent man standing up in court.

Thinks his car is safer than a bank?

Peak Warming Man said:

A Brisbane man has been granted bail after police found $4.35 million cash in his car during a routine traffic stop.
It’s a bit on the high side but you are allowed to carry money around in your glovebox for emergencies and the like not to mention that you can be locked up and locked down anywhere, anytime these days for at least 14 days.
And he’s probably worked very hard for his money, and he could well have just taken it out of his super.
I cant see the cade against this innocent man standing up in court.

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A Brisbane man has been granted bail after police found $4.35 million cash in his car during a routine traffic stop.
It’s a bit on the high side but you are allowed to carry money around in your glovebox for emergencies and the like not to mention that you can be locked up and locked down anywhere, anytime these days for at least 14 days.
And he’s probably worked very hard for his money, and he could well have just taken it out of his super.
I cant see the cade against this innocent man standing up in court.

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

No.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A Brisbane man has been granted bail after police found $4.35 million cash in his car during a routine traffic stop.
It’s a bit on the high side but you are allowed to carry money around in your glovebox for emergencies and the like not to mention that you can be locked up and locked down anywhere, anytime these days for at least 14 days.
And he’s probably worked very hard for his money, and he could well have just taken it out of his super.
I cant see the cade against this innocent man standing up in court.

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

Well that would depend upon the type of car, surely.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A Brisbane man has been granted bail after police found $4.35 million cash in his car during a routine traffic stop.
It’s a bit on the high side but you are allowed to carry money around in your glovebox for emergencies and the like not to mention that you can be locked up and locked down anywhere, anytime these days for at least 14 days.
And he’s probably worked very hard for his money, and he could well have just taken it out of his super.
I cant see the cade against this innocent man standing up in court.

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

No.

Maybe he had it in Aldi shopping bags.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

No.

Maybe he had it in Aldi shopping bags.

And probably going to buy a ute.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

No.

Maybe he had it in Aldi shopping bags.

That’s a large numbers of notes, 43500 at least

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

The peanut farmer was probably the better of that bunch.

still is.

LBJ was the one I detested most.

Gee… Most Detestable US President

1. DJT
2. That’s tough

Someone posted a link to a YouTube.. The US is not a Democracy or sommit.. says the entire political process is just for show.. doesn’t matter who is POTUS. (Don’t know if that applies to DJT)

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

No.

Maybe he had it in Aldi shopping bags.

I’m interested in “routine traffic stop” I’ve never had my car searched at any routine traffic stop. So maybe falling out of Adli bags when braking or turning sharply, may actually have some bearing on this case.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

A Brisbane man has been granted bail after police found $4.35 million cash in his car during a routine traffic stop.
It’s a bit on the high side but you are allowed to carry money around in your glovebox for emergencies and the like not to mention that you can be locked up and locked down anywhere, anytime these days for at least 14 days.
And he’s probably worked very hard for his money, and he could well have just taken it out of his super.
I cant see the cade against this innocent man standing up in court.

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

No.

I should say not.

$1 mill in $100 notes wold easily fir in a carrier bag, but not $4.35 mill.

Break it into smaller notes, and more volume, naturally.

I helped deliver US $1 mill. various denoms, mostly $100 and $50 We split it into two little cloth ‘got-to-work’ bags, no problems. Various deceptions about calling cabs and then stepping out the side door and getting two other cabs etc.

This was legit business, just the way the customer preferred to receive payment and disburse it to employees.

Ian said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

still is.

LBJ was the one I detested most.

Gee… Most Detestable US President

1. DJT
2. That’s tough

Someone posted a link to a YouTube.. The US is not a Democracy or sommit.. says the entire political process is just for show.. doesn’t matter who is POTUS. (Don’t know if that applies to DJT)

Sure. A person can win the popular vote but lose the Presidency. A recent example is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Since Trump’s win, several states’ electoral colleges have said they will vote in accordance of their state’s popular vote.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Would $4.35 million cash fit in a glove box?

No.

I should say not.

$1 mill in $100 notes wold easily fir in a carrier bag, but not $4.35 mill.

Break it into smaller notes, and more volume, naturally.

I helped deliver US $1 mill. various denoms, mostly $100 and $50 We split it into two little cloth ‘got-to-work’ bags, no problems. Various deceptions about calling cabs and then stepping out the side door and getting two other cabs etc.

This was legit business, just the way the customer preferred to receive payment and disburse it to employees.

I’ve helped stack ATMs, back in the 90s before it was contracted out to security guards. $1 million in 20s and 50s would fill a school backpack or a small esky.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

No.

I should say not.

$1 mill in $100 notes wold easily fir in a carrier bag, but not $4.35 mill.

Break it into smaller notes, and more volume, naturally.

I helped deliver US $1 mill. various denoms, mostly $100 and $50 We split it into two little cloth ‘got-to-work’ bags, no problems. Various deceptions about calling cabs and then stepping out the side door and getting two other cabs etc.

This was legit business, just the way the customer preferred to receive payment and disburse it to employees.

I’ve helped stack ATMs, back in the 90s before it was contracted out to security guards. $1 million in 20s and 50s would fill a school backpack or a small esky.

So 4.5 would a fairly large suitcase

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

No.

I should say not.

$1 mill in $100 notes wold easily fir in a carrier bag, but not $4.35 mill.

Break it into smaller notes, and more volume, naturally.

I helped deliver US $1 mill. various denoms, mostly $100 and $50 We split it into two little cloth ‘got-to-work’ bags, no problems. Various deceptions about calling cabs and then stepping out the side door and getting two other cabs etc.

This was legit business, just the way the customer preferred to receive payment and disburse it to employees.

I’ve helped stack ATMs, back in the 90s before it was contracted out to security guards. $1 million in 20s and 50s would fill a school backpack or a small esky.

So how many eskies go in the average glovebox?

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I should say not.

$1 mill in $100 notes wold easily fir in a carrier bag, but not $4.35 mill.

Break it into smaller notes, and more volume, naturally.

I helped deliver US $1 mill. various denoms, mostly $100 and $50 We split it into two little cloth ‘got-to-work’ bags, no problems. Various deceptions about calling cabs and then stepping out the side door and getting two other cabs etc.

This was legit business, just the way the customer preferred to receive payment and disburse it to employees.

I’ve helped stack ATMs, back in the 90s before it was contracted out to security guards. $1 million in 20s and 50s would fill a school backpack or a small esky.

So 4.5 would a fairly large suitcase

Yeah, easy

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I should say not.

$1 mill in $100 notes wold easily fir in a carrier bag, but not $4.35 mill.

Break it into smaller notes, and more volume, naturally.

I helped deliver US $1 mill. various denoms, mostly $100 and $50 We split it into two little cloth ‘got-to-work’ bags, no problems. Various deceptions about calling cabs and then stepping out the side door and getting two other cabs etc.

This was legit business, just the way the customer preferred to receive payment and disburse it to employees.

I’ve helped stack ATMs, back in the 90s before it was contracted out to security guards. $1 million in 20s and 50s would fill a school backpack or a small esky.

So how many eskies go in the average glovebox?

Not many, unless it was a Tardis glovebox.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/this-map-shows-why-it-would-be-terrifying-to-open-canada-u-s-border-1.5012933

Divine Angel said:

Ian said:

Tamb said:

LBJ was the one I detested most.

Gee… Most Detestable US President

1. DJT
2. That’s tough

Someone posted a link to a YouTube.. The US is not a Democracy or sommit.. says the entire political process is just for show.. doesn’t matter who is POTUS. (Don’t know if that applies to DJT)

Sure. A person can win the popular vote but lose the Presidency. A recent example is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Since Trump’s win, several states’ electoral colleges have said they will vote in accordance of their state’s popular vote.

The point was Dem = Rep in practice.

NSW-Victoria coronavirus breach after Melbourne Jetstar flight lands in Sydney where passengers aren’t screened for COVID-19

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-08/nsw-coronavirus-breach-as-passengers-from-melbourne-not-screened/12433286

Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/brazil-s-president-jair-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-coronavirus

I thought I’d just remind myself how the rankings by total number of deaths are going.

Africa is slowly climbing into the bottom of the table. China still rates a mention. Asia poorly represented. No Indonesia or Nigeria or Bangladesh yet.

I can’t say I’m all that surprised by the rankings. Belgium is up there because it had a horror time of it in the early stages.

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Tuesday that Americans shouldn’t take comfort in the dropping death rate among coronavirus patients in the US even as President Donald Trump touts the trend as evidence of a successful response to the virus.
“It’s a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death,” Fauci said during a live stream press conference with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama, a Democrat.
“There’s so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don’t get yourself into false complacency.”

His comments come after the White House repeatedly pointed to the falling US mortality rate as proof of a productive response despite states across the country grappling with record-breaking spikes in the virus.
Trump tweeted Monday that “the Mortality Rate for the China Virus in the U.S. is just about the LOWEST IN THE WORLD,” doubling down on this stance with a subsequent tweet definitively declaring that “we now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
In reality, while US coronavirus mortality rates have declined recently, they are not the lowest in the world.

Data on coronavirus death rates remain imprecise, due in part to limited testing availability and the prevalence of mild or asymptomatic cases that often go unrecorded. Still, among the 20 countries most affected by the virus, at least 14 have lower death rates than the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-us-response/index.html

dv said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Tuesday that Americans shouldn’t take comfort in the dropping death rate among coronavirus patients in the US even as President Donald Trump touts the trend as evidence of a successful response to the virus.
“It’s a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death,” Fauci said during a live stream press conference with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama, a Democrat.
“There’s so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don’t get yourself into false complacency.”

His comments come after the White House repeatedly pointed to the falling US mortality rate as proof of a productive response despite states across the country grappling with record-breaking spikes in the virus.
Trump tweeted Monday that “the Mortality Rate for the China Virus in the U.S. is just about the LOWEST IN THE WORLD,” doubling down on this stance with a subsequent tweet definitively declaring that “we now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
In reality, while US coronavirus mortality rates have declined recently, they are not the lowest in the world.

Data on coronavirus death rates remain imprecise, due in part to limited testing availability and the prevalence of mild or asymptomatic cases that often go unrecorded. Still, among the 20 countries most affected by the virus, at least 14 have lower death rates than the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-us-response/index.html

Mortality rate is ninth highest, from what I was reading today….that isn’t just about the lowest.

Interesting little official website on coronavirus statistics in India, state by state including number of active cases, recoveries and tests. https://www.covid19india.org/

Chart of India’s 266,000 active cases.

Neophyte said:

dv said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Tuesday that Americans shouldn’t take comfort in the dropping death rate among coronavirus patients in the US even as President Donald Trump touts the trend as evidence of a successful response to the virus.
“It’s a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death,” Fauci said during a live stream press conference with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama, a Democrat.
“There’s so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don’t get yourself into false complacency.”

His comments come after the White House repeatedly pointed to the falling US mortality rate as proof of a productive response despite states across the country grappling with record-breaking spikes in the virus.
Trump tweeted Monday that “the Mortality Rate for the China Virus in the U.S. is just about the LOWEST IN THE WORLD,” doubling down on this stance with a subsequent tweet definitively declaring that “we now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
In reality, while US coronavirus mortality rates have declined recently, they are not the lowest in the world.

Data on coronavirus death rates remain imprecise, due in part to limited testing availability and the prevalence of mild or asymptomatic cases that often go unrecorded. Still, among the 20 countries most affected by the virus, at least 14 have lower death rates than the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-us-response/index.html

Mortality rate is ninth highest, from what I was reading today….that isn’t just about the lowest.

It’s one of the lowest among the top 10 worst.

So which is highest, UK?

Should get to 12 million within the hour I’d say.

Bubblecar said:

So which is highest, UK?

Fair question, it’s certainly shit.

Looks like UK comes sixth after Yemen, Belgium, France, Italy, Hungary.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105914/coronavirus-death-rates-worldwide/

Bubblecar said:

So which is highest, UK?

There’s a couple of outliers like San Marino and Andorra. If you take them out it is Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden, and France; with the USA in the bottom of that group.

So going by the worldometer data, which includes 215 “countries” some of which are sub-national or other categories like ships, the USA is not in the worst 10. It’s about 40th out of that list.

However most of those are nations with small numbers of cases anyway. Among the nations with at least 10000 cases, the worst are France (17.7%), Belgium (15.7%) and the UK (15.5%).

It’s similar to a lot of things … if Trump restricted himself to the truth he’d be able to make a good point: the USA’s mortality rate is lower than the worst affected European nations.

Instead he’s got to use hyperbole and say that the US has the lowest in the world…

>>>the worst are France (17.7%), Belgium (15.7%) and the UK (15.5%).

They are awful numbers.

Neophyte said:

dv said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Tuesday that Americans shouldn’t take comfort in the dropping death rate among coronavirus patients in the US even as President Donald Trump touts the trend as evidence of a successful response to the virus.
“It’s a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death,” Fauci said during a live stream press conference with Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama, a Democrat.
“There’s so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don’t get yourself into false complacency.”

His comments come after the White House repeatedly pointed to the falling US mortality rate as proof of a productive response despite states across the country grappling with record-breaking spikes in the virus.
Trump tweeted Monday that “the Mortality Rate for the China Virus in the U.S. is just about the LOWEST IN THE WORLD,” doubling down on this stance with a subsequent tweet definitively declaring that “we now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
In reality, while US coronavirus mortality rates have declined recently, they are not the lowest in the world.

Data on coronavirus death rates remain imprecise, due in part to limited testing availability and the prevalence of mild or asymptomatic cases that often go unrecorded. Still, among the 20 countries most affected by the virus, at least 14 have lower death rates than the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-us-response/index.html

Mortality rate is ninth highest, from what I was reading today….that isn’t just about the lowest.

Do we know whether they’ve caught onto Dexamethasone for intubated / PAP patients?

Dex am teh shit.

sarahs mum said:

NSW-Victoria coronavirus breach after Melbourne Jetstar flight lands in Sydney where passengers aren’t screened for COVID-19

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-08/nsw-coronavirus-breach-as-passengers-from-melbourne-not-screened/12433286

Heard this on the news, but if you listen to the end, they were screened onto the plane in Melbourne. So it’s not as big a breach as it might be, unless someone joined the flight midair. I presume screening was a symptom survey, and perhaps a thermometer.