Date: 8/07/2020 14:48:42
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1585912
Subject: Camera chat

Ian said:


Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

I looked at Tamron to Canon converter mounts and decided it was a PIA. Might have to look again.

The mirrorless cameras make it easy and cheap.

Nice to see you DO.

I’ve spent many thousands on nice 5Ds with mirrors in recent times. That might have to wait a while.

What are your favourite lenses? Please supply a complete list with comments :)

I upgraded from a 5D-ii to an A7R3 and do not regret the decision at all. Will go into more details tonight when I finish work if you are interested.

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Date: 8/07/2020 14:53:01
From: Ian
ID: 1585918
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Ian said:

Dark Orange said:

The mirrorless cameras make it easy and cheap.

Nice to see you DO.

I’ve spent many thousands on nice 5Ds with mirrors in recent times. That might have to wait a while.

What are your favourite lenses? Please supply a complete list with comments :)

I upgraded from a 5D-ii to an A7R3 and do not regret the decision at all. Will go into more details tonight when I finish work if you are interested.

Interested.. definitely

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Date: 8/07/2020 14:55:41
From: Arts
ID: 1585923
Subject: re: Camera chat

Oh shit. You are here for one day and think you can start chats now.

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Date: 8/07/2020 14:57:16
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1585927
Subject: re: Camera chat

Arts said:


Oh shit. You are here for one day and think you can start chats now.

It feels like a lifetime.

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Date: 8/07/2020 14:57:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1585930
Subject: re: Camera chat

Arts said:


Oh shit. You are here for one day and think you can start chats now.

Probably thinks he’ll be back for long enough?

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Date: 8/07/2020 14:57:49
From: Arts
ID: 1585931
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Arts said:

Oh shit. You are here for one day and think you can start chats now.

It feels like a lifetime.

For us all, dude, for. Us. All.

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:26:27
From: dv
ID: 1585966
Subject: re: Camera chat

All hail the return of Dark Leader

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:27:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1585971
Subject: re: Camera chat

dv said:


All hail the return of Dark Leader

PF is going to be peeved.

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:50:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1585993
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


dv said:

All hail the return of Dark Leader

PF is going to be peeved.

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:52:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1585997
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

All hail the return of Dark Leader

PF is going to be peeved.

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

:) I’d reckon it will be something completely different.

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:53:15
From: The-Spectator
ID: 1585998
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

All hail the return of Dark Leader

PF is going to be peeved.

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

Your white whale has returned PF

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:53:37
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1586001
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PF is going to be peeved.

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

:) I’d reckon it will be something completely different.

Not surprised.

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:54:07
From: Arts
ID: 1586003
Subject: re: Camera chat

In keeping with the chat I have bought a second rig which was just an upgrade to a full frame. Nikon and I use the standard kit lenses and I also bought a tamron macro lens. I generally use them for animal and macro shots which have been featured in mags and as stock photos.

You can buy all the latest greatest but I have always been a firm believer in the camera takes the photo as much as the keyboard writes the novel.

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:56:19
From: furious
ID: 1586005
Subject: re: Camera chat

same as guns don’t kill people, people kill people…

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:57:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586007
Subject: re: Camera chat

Arts said:


In keeping with the chat I have bought a second rig which was just an upgrade to a full frame. Nikon and I use the standard kit lenses and I also bought a tamron macro lens. I generally use them for animal and macro shots which have been featured in mags and as stock photos.

You can buy all the latest greatest but I have always been a firm believer in the camera takes the photo as much as the keyboard writes the novel.

Hear hear. Some of my best photos were taken with Haminex lenses on a Zenit SLR

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:58:08
From: dv
ID: 1586008
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

All hail the return of Dark Leader

PF is going to be peeved.

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

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Date: 8/07/2020 15:59:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586010
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Arts said:

In keeping with the chat I have bought a second rig which was just an upgrade to a full frame. Nikon and I use the standard kit lenses and I also bought a tamron macro lens. I generally use them for animal and macro shots which have been featured in mags and as stock photos.

You can buy all the latest greatest but I have always been a firm believer in the camera takes the photo as much as the keyboard writes the novel.

Hear hear. Some of my best photos were taken with Haminex lenses on a Zenit SLR

or was that.. er it was a deliberate typo.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:00:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586012
Subject: re: Camera chat

The-Spectator said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PF is going to be peeved.

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

Your white whale has returned PF

He thinks we are all some sort of pod.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:02:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586013
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


The-Spectator said:

PermeateFree said:

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

Your white whale has returned PF

He thinks we are all some sort of pod.

he’s just checking up on his minions.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:02:13
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1586014
Subject: re: Camera chat

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PF is going to be peeved.

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.


Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:02:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586015
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


The-Spectator said:

PermeateFree said:

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.

Your white whale has returned PF

He thinks we are all some sort of pod.

and I do wish he’d get over it.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:03:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586016
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

PermeateFree said:

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.


Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

But but, it was your shout?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:05:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586018
Subject: re: Camera chat

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:05:23
From: Cymek
ID: 1586019
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

PermeateFree said:

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.


Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

What has he actually done ?
He hardly ever posts here for anyone to be under his thumb and being a online forum anyone can disagree without repercussion anyway

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:07:10
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1586020
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:



At least hate relates to emotion. Are you sure he has any?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:09:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586022
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


JudgeMental said:


At least hate relates to emotion. Are you sure he has any?

I know he has compassion.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:10:31
From: dv
ID: 1586023
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

PermeateFree said:

No, but I am impressed how he is working the forum. Very professional, but there again he has a great deal of practice that most can not see. He must have been very bored to return, but forever reason, it will be very much in his interest.


Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

In fairness I don’t think he’s ever paid me a compliment. Fortunately my opinion of myself is largely self-sustaining.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:11:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586024
Subject: re: Camera chat

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

dv said:


Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

In fairness I don’t think he’s ever paid me a compliment. Fortunately my opinion of myself is largely self-sustaining.

We already knew that.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:11:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586025
Subject: re: Camera chat

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

dv said:


Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

In fairness I don’t think he’s ever paid me a compliment. Fortunately my opinion of myself is largely self-sustaining.

it is hard to be humble when you’re perfect in every way…

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:12:33
From: The-Spectator
ID: 1586026
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


JudgeMental said:


At least hate relates to emotion. Are you sure he has any?

Get a room PF

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:13:54
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1586027
Subject: re: Camera chat

Cymek said:


PermeateFree said:

dv said:


Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

What has he actually done ?
He hardly ever posts here for anyone to be under his thumb and being a online forum anyone can disagree without repercussion anyway

Goes back a long way. What ever you do, don’t show him your disapproval as it can have consequences. Plus he doesn’t do anything himself, he gets others to do his dirty work and they do it willingly thinking he is their friend, but he has no friends only himself and how he can use them. Still I know you don’t believe me, but if you want to be suckered in by this bloke, then do nothing as it will happen.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:14:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586028
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Not sure about that, but he will have you eating out of his hand in no time. Pay you a compliment and buy you a beer and you are his. I can see him rubbing his hands in glee at such easy pickings.

What has he actually done ?
He hardly ever posts here for anyone to be under his thumb and being a online forum anyone can disagree without repercussion anyway

Goes back a long way. What ever you do, don’t show him your disapproval as it can have consequences. Plus he doesn’t do anything himself, he gets others to do his dirty work and they do it willingly thinking he is their friend, but he has no friends only himself and how he can use them. Still I know you don’t believe me, but if you want to be suckered in by this bloke, then do nothing as it will happen.

So what did morrie do to you?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:15:35
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586029
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

What has he actually done ?
He hardly ever posts here for anyone to be under his thumb and being a online forum anyone can disagree without repercussion anyway

Goes back a long way. What ever you do, don’t show him your disapproval as it can have consequences. Plus he doesn’t do anything himself, he gets others to do his dirty work and they do it willingly thinking he is their friend, but he has no friends only himself and how he can use them. Still I know you don’t believe me, but if you want to be suckered in by this bloke, then do nothing as it will happen.

So what did morrie do to you?

probably know something better than PF does.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:15:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1586030
Subject: re: Camera chat

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:16:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586031
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

JudgeMental said:


At least hate relates to emotion. Are you sure he has any?

I know he has compassion.

Bump. Aren’t you going to ask me how I know?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:16:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586032
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

in a camera shop?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:17:41
From: furious
ID: 1586033
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

i think it is a model of Canon camera…

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:18:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1586034
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

in a camera shop?

Apparently they have mirrors and cost $1000’s, and they are in a camera chat thread, so I guess so.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:18:52
From: dv
ID: 1586035
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

It’s just a Canon line. The name probably refers to the pentaprism

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:19:06
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1586036
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

What has he actually done ?
He hardly ever posts here for anyone to be under his thumb and being a online forum anyone can disagree without repercussion anyway

Goes back a long way. What ever you do, don’t show him your disapproval as it can have consequences. Plus he doesn’t do anything himself, he gets others to do his dirty work and they do it willingly thinking he is their friend, but he has no friends only himself and how he can use them. Still I know you don’t believe me, but if you want to be suckered in by this bloke, then do nothing as it will happen.

So what did morrie do to you?

More like what did morrie do to me? I just sort an apology from him that he very reluctantly gave and then left the forum.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:19:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586037
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

in a camera shop?

they are Canons. My daughter has one.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:20:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586038
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Goes back a long way. What ever you do, don’t show him your disapproval as it can have consequences. Plus he doesn’t do anything himself, he gets others to do his dirty work and they do it willingly thinking he is their friend, but he has no friends only himself and how he can use them. Still I know you don’t believe me, but if you want to be suckered in by this bloke, then do nothing as it will happen.

So what did morrie do to you?

More like what did morrie do to me? I just sort an apology from him that he very reluctantly gave and then left the forum.

OK. I’ll let that go then. Now what did DO do? and this time tell me in a similar vein of semblence of a reality.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:20:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1586039
Subject: re: Camera chat

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

It’s just a Canon line. The name probably refers to the pentaprism

Oh.

What a let down.

I thought it would be moving 3D images with an extra dimension of something or other.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:21:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586040
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

It’s just a Canon line. The name probably refers to the pentaprism

Oh.

What a let down.

I thought it would be moving 3D images with an extra dimension of something or other.

You missed the mirrorless part, it seems.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:23:41
From: Ian
ID: 1586041
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:24:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1586042
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

It’s just a Canon line. The name probably refers to the pentaprism

Oh.

What a let down.

I thought it would be moving 3D images with an extra dimension of something or other.

You missed the mirrorless part, it seems.

? but TATE says they are SLR.

Also apparently they got to 7D, then jumped straight to 60D.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:25:03
From: dv
ID: 1586043
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Oh.

What a let down.

I thought it would be moving 3D images with an extra dimension of something or other.

You missed the mirrorless part, it seems.

? but TATE says they are SLR.

Also apparently they got to 7D, then jumped straight to 60D.

I don’t really follow string theory

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:25:11
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1586044
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

So what did morrie do to you?

More like what did morrie do to me? I just sort an apology from him that he very reluctantly gave and then left the forum.

OK. I’ll let that go then. Now what did DO do? and this time tell me in a similar vein of semblence of a reality.

DO knows what he has done and when people like you defend him, he has a very good laugh at both of our expenses.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:26:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586045
Subject: re: Camera chat

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

It’s just a Canon line. The name probably refers to the pentaprism

The d stands for digital. 5 is the version.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:28:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586046
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

More like what did morrie do to me? I just sort an apology from him that he very reluctantly gave and then left the forum.

OK. I’ll let that go then. Now what did DO do? and this time tell me in a similar vein of semblence of a reality.

DO knows what he has done and when people like you defend him, he has a very good laugh at both of our expenses.

I’m not defending anybody. Have enough difficulty doing that for myself.
I have questioned your attacks on him when he wasn’t even here to be brought into thhe fray so to speak.

and I’ll again ask you why haven’t you asked me how I know the man has feelings like compassion?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:28:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586047
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

It’s just a Canon line. The name probably refers to the pentaprism

The d stands for digital. 5 is the version.

like.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:29:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586048
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

It’s just a Canon line. The name probably refers to the pentaprism

The d stands for digital. 5 is the version.

https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-D-mean-in-the-Canon-EOS-40D-and-Canon-EOS-1200D

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:30:37
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1586049
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

OK. I’ll let that go then. Now what did DO do? and this time tell me in a similar vein of semblence of a reality.

DO knows what he has done and when people like you defend him, he has a very good laugh at both of our expenses.

I’m not defending anybody. Have enough difficulty doing that for myself.
I have questioned your attacks on him when he wasn’t even here to be brought into thhe fray so to speak.

and I’ll again ask you why haven’t you asked me how I know the man has feelings like compassion?

He buys peoples loyalty, that is how most rulers rule.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:31:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586050
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

DO knows what he has done and when people like you defend him, he has a very good laugh at both of our expenses.

I’m not defending anybody. Have enough difficulty doing that for myself.
I have questioned your attacks on him when he wasn’t even here to be brought into thhe fray so to speak.

and I’ll again ask you why haven’t you asked me how I know the man has feelings like compassion?

He buys peoples loyalty, that is how most rulers rule.

How so?

Is it like this fudged date? read to end for full grokking. https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/need-better-eyes-to-read-date-on-label.170841/#post-1383421
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Date: 8/07/2020 16:37:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586051
Subject: re: Camera chat

Anyway, it is my fault. I did start this outrage in the poor man’s camera thread. You have my apology on that.

Back to topic of at least Tamron.
Virtually all of these were done using the Tamron because it was a new lens on a new camera.
Camera Nikon FM, Lens Tamron 70-210 macro zoom. Behind which I also added Nikkor extension tubes.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/roughbarked/albums/72157624896920874

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:37:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1586052
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv

Holy Pump! $4,100.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:38:02
From: Ian
ID: 1586053
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Oh.

What a let down.

I thought it would be moving 3D images with an extra dimension of something or other.

You missed the mirrorless part, it seems.

? but TATE says they are SLR.

Also apparently they got to 7D, then jumped straight to 60D.

That’s right. But with cameras it’s upside down and back to front.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:38:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586054
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv

Holy Pump! $4,100.

Which is why I don’t have one.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:40:23
From: Michael V
ID: 1586055
Subject: re: Camera chat

What are these mirror-less cameras?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:41:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586056
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


What are these mirror-less cameras?

I must admit I haven’t been looking because I have a shed load of cameras and very little money but DO was going on about them so I might have to wipe the cobwebs off google.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:44:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586057
Subject: re: Camera chat


this is just a little northish of PF. In the Barrens NP.

and this, is coming into Esperance.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:44:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586058
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


What are these mirror-less cameras?

the image goes through the lens onto the ccd and then onto a view screen. like phone cameras that you look at the screen.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:44:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1586059
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Ian said:

https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv

Holy Pump! $4,100.

Which is why I don’t have one.

Still, 30 MB resolution does seem quite a lot.

I wonder if the lenses are good enough to make the extra res worthwhile though.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:46:57
From: Ian
ID: 1586060
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So anyway, what are these 5D things of which someone spoke?

https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv

Holy Pump! $4,100.

Yeah. Then there’s the high end stuff.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:47:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586061
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Holy Pump! $4,100.

Which is why I don’t have one.

Still, 30 MB resolution does seem quite a lot.

I wonder if the lenses are good enough to make the extra res worthwhile though.

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:47:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586062
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


Michael V said:

Ian said:

https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv

Holy Pump! $4,100.

Yeah. Then there’s the high end stuff.

The sky has no limits!

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:52:51
From: Michael V
ID: 1586064
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

What are these mirror-less cameras?

the image goes through the lens onto the ccd and then onto a view screen. like phone cameras that you look at the screen.

So like a happy-snap camera but with interchangeable high quality lenses, then.

Is there a generic name for these?

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Date: 8/07/2020 16:54:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586065
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

What are these mirror-less cameras?

the image goes through the lens onto the ccd and then onto a view screen. like phone cameras that you look at the screen.

So like a happy-snap camera but with interchangeable high quality lenses, then.

Is there a generic name for these?

just mirrorless.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:02:44
From: Ian
ID: 1586070
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Holy Pump! $4,100.

Which is why I don’t have one.

Still, 30 MB resolution does seem quite a lot.

I wonder if the lenses are good enough to make the extra res worthwhile though.

Higher MBs no longer means much.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:02:45
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586071
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

What are these mirror-less cameras?

the image goes through the lens onto the ccd and then onto a view screen. like phone cameras that you look at the screen.

So like a happy-snap camera but with interchangeable high quality lenses, then.

Is there a generic name for these?

A surprisingly accurate description. :)

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:04:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586072
Subject: re: Camera chat

This was taken with

This was taken with the EOS 50D

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:05:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586073
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

the image goes through the lens onto the ccd and then onto a view screen. like phone cameras that you look at the screen.

So like a happy-snap camera but with interchangeable high quality lenses, then.

Is there a generic name for these?

A surprisingly accurate description. :)

Not quite a point and shoot unless the whole session uses the same lens.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:05:47
From: Ian
ID: 1586074
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Which is why I don’t have one.

Still, 30 MB resolution does seem quite a lot.

I wonder if the lenses are good enough to make the extra res worthwhile though.

Higher MBs Megapixels no longer means much.

Fixed

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:06:49
From: Michael V
ID: 1586076
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

the image goes through the lens onto the ccd and then onto a view screen. like phone cameras that you look at the screen.

So like a happy-snap camera but with interchangeable high quality lenses, then.

Is there a generic name for these?

just mirrorless.

Ta.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:08:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586078
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

So like a happy-snap camera but with interchangeable high quality lenses, then.

Is there a generic name for these?

just mirrorless.

Ta.

I do wanna buy a new camera but but.. I have so many and they all still work.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:12:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586087
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

just mirrorless.

Ta.

I do wanna buy a new camera but but.. I have so many and they all still work.

still works.

:-)

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:15:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586089
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Ta.

I do wanna buy a new camera but but.. I have so many and they all still work.

still works.

:-)

Have got several of those.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:21:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586091
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

I do wanna buy a new camera but but.. I have so many and they all still work.

still works.

:-)

Have got several of those.

Who was it mentioned string theory?
Back then I didn’t have a TV.

someone had a can of silly string.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:22:14
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586092
Subject: re: Camera chat

The Rev Dodgson said:

Still, 30 MB resolution does seem quite a lot.

I wonder if the lenses are good enough to make the extra res worthwhile though.

It is, and it often impacts on performance as having to write all them pixels away quickly requires large and fast memory cards. ($$$)

And as for lenses, the new lenses being brought out by all the manufacturers for their new mirrorless cameras are nothing short of stunning. They have reached a level of sharpness that has previously only been dreamed of.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:23:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586095
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Still, 30 MB resolution does seem quite a lot.

I wonder if the lenses are good enough to make the extra res worthwhile though.

It is, and it often impacts on performance as having to write all them pixels away quickly requires large and fast memory cards. ($$$)

And as for lenses, the new lenses being brought out by all the manufacturers for their new mirrorless cameras are nothing short of stunning. They have reached a level of sharpness that has previously only been dreamed of.

Do you feel compassionate enough to lend me the money for one?

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:24:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586096
Subject: re: Camera chat

This was done with a HaM-inex lens on a Ricoh..

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:26:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1586097
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


This was done with a HaM-inex lens on a Ricoh..


Lovely.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:29:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586098
Subject: re: Camera chat

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

This was done with a HaM-inex lens on a Ricoh..


Lovely.

and there it is, the Haminex er Hanimex. Living in the 70’s.

Plane spotting.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:34:00
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586100
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Dark Orange said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Still, 30 MB resolution does seem quite a lot.

I wonder if the lenses are good enough to make the extra res worthwhile though.

It is, and it often impacts on performance as having to write all them pixels away quickly requires large and fast memory cards. ($$$)

And as for lenses, the new lenses being brought out by all the manufacturers for their new mirrorless cameras are nothing short of stunning. They have reached a level of sharpness that has previously only been dreamed of.

Do you feel compassionate enough to lend me the money for one?

I could only afford one, and it was one of the cheapest. But even it is sharper than all my Cannon professional “L” glass.

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:34:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1586103
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

It is, and it often impacts on performance as having to write all them pixels away quickly requires large and fast memory cards. ($$$)

And as for lenses, the new lenses being brought out by all the manufacturers for their new mirrorless cameras are nothing short of stunning. They have reached a level of sharpness that has previously only been dreamed of.

Do you feel compassionate enough to lend me the money for one?

I could only afford one, and it was one of the cheapest. But even it is sharper than all my Cannon professional “L” glass.

Which was obviously why you wanted it. :)

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Date: 8/07/2020 17:40:43
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586105
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Do you feel compassionate enough to lend me the money for one?

I could only afford one, and it was one of the cheapest. But even it is sharper than all my Cannon professional “L” glass.

Which was obviously why you wanted it. :)

Actually, it’s because the focus is slow when using the adapted Canon lenses. (I have a Sony camera now)

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Date: 8/07/2020 18:00:30
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586109
Subject: re: Camera chat

As for “What is Mirrorless, and what does it do that my top end DSLR doesn’t” question, let me share what I like about them.

They are smaller/lighterthan DSLRs. However, once you start sticking the new lenses on them, they don’t end up much lighter.

They are also quiet and quick. With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife and improves reliability considerably due to there being zero moving parts.

My favorite feature is the electronic viewfinder. Because you are looking at a tiny TV screen rather than the actual image, the camera can superimpose lots of info over the image you are seeing, such as which bits are over-exposed, which bits are in focus etc. And it can be set to show you the real-time view of how the image will look – depth of field, exposure etc. Real cool. The ability to review the images through the viewfinder without having to find shade to see the images on the rear screen is a real bonus!

Because mirrorless cameras have a shorter distance between where the lens screws on and the sensor, you have to use a spacer to connect your DSLR lenses to a Mirrorless body. And if you are going to have a spacer, there is no practical reason why the spacer needs to have the same lens mount at either end – Any lens can be adapted to work with any mirrorless camera. The new lenses are so sharp and clinical that I have discovered the joys of vintage lenses. They all have character, and they all can be adapted to fit to my new Mirrorless body. (I have a 50’s era projector lens coming from the Czech Republic that will fit straight onto a $6 adaptor that fits to my camera)

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Date: 8/07/2020 18:03:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586110
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

As for “What is Mirrorless, and what does it do that my top end DSLR doesn’t” question, let me share what I like about them.

They are smaller/lighterthan DSLRs. However, once you start sticking the new lenses on them, they don’t end up much lighter.

They are also quiet and quick. With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife and improves reliability considerably due to there being zero moving parts.

My favorite feature is the electronic viewfinder. Because you are looking at a tiny TV screen rather than the actual image, the camera can superimpose lots of info over the image you are seeing, such as which bits are over-exposed, which bits are in focus etc. And it can be set to show you the real-time view of how the image will look – depth of field, exposure etc. Real cool. The ability to review the images through the viewfinder without having to find shade to see the images on the rear screen is a real bonus!

Because mirrorless cameras have a shorter distance between where the lens screws on and the sensor, you have to use a spacer to connect your DSLR lenses to a Mirrorless body. And if you are going to have a spacer, there is no practical reason why the spacer needs to have the same lens mount at either end – Any lens can be adapted to work with any mirrorless camera. The new lenses are so sharp and clinical that I have discovered the joys of vintage lenses. They all have character, and they all can be adapted to fit to my new Mirrorless body. (I have a 50’s era projector lens coming from the Czech Republic that will fit straight onto a $6 adaptor that fits to my camera)

Now, with older lens you have focus and aperture adjustment on the lens, how does this tie in with the electronics in the camera body?

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Date: 8/07/2020 18:09:56
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586112
Subject: re: Camera chat

Arts said:


In keeping with the chat I have bought a second rig which was just an upgrade to a full frame. Nikon and I use the standard kit lenses and I also bought a tamron macro lens. I generally use them for animal and macro shots which have been featured in mags and as stock photos.

You can buy all the latest greatest but I have always been a firm believer in the camera takes the photo as much as the keyboard writes the novel.

Have you discovered the joys of extension tubes yet?

While you are correct about the camera merely being a tool, I have found my photography has improved tremendously with the upgrade in technology. Some are obviously a direct result of the technology – eye-follow focus and in-body image stabilisation, for instance. Instead of getting about 5 perfectly focused shots out of a hundred (where the camera focused on the model’s eye rather than their lashes or cheek) I am getting 5 or so missed focus shots out of a hundered, giving me many more images to choose for the “perfect” one.

And an indirect result, the electronic viewfinder allows me to hand the camera to the model and let them check out the images we’ve taken which allows them to see that we have a pile of great ones already, so the pressure is off and they relax more and we get even better ones.

My old camera was 10 years old, technology has come a long way, and I like it. :)

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Date: 8/07/2020 18:22:01
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586114
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


Dark Orange said:

As for “What is Mirrorless, and what does it do that my top end DSLR doesn’t” question, let me share what I like about them.

They are smaller/lighterthan DSLRs. However, once you start sticking the new lenses on them, they don’t end up much lighter.

They are also quiet and quick. With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife and improves reliability considerably due to there being zero moving parts.

My favorite feature is the electronic viewfinder. Because you are looking at a tiny TV screen rather than the actual image, the camera can superimpose lots of info over the image you are seeing, such as which bits are over-exposed, which bits are in focus etc. And it can be set to show you the real-time view of how the image will look – depth of field, exposure etc. Real cool. The ability to review the images through the viewfinder without having to find shade to see the images on the rear screen is a real bonus!

Because mirrorless cameras have a shorter distance between where the lens screws on and the sensor, you have to use a spacer to connect your DSLR lenses to a Mirrorless body. And if you are going to have a spacer, there is no practical reason why the spacer needs to have the same lens mount at either end – Any lens can be adapted to work with any mirrorless camera. The new lenses are so sharp and clinical that I have discovered the joys of vintage lenses. They all have character, and they all can be adapted to fit to my new Mirrorless body. (I have a 50’s era projector lens coming from the Czech Republic that will fit straight onto a $6 adaptor that fits to my camera)

Now, with older lens you have focus and aperture adjustment on the lens, how does this tie in with the electronics in the camera body?

Camera don’t care. It’s surprisingly easy – stick manual lens on camera, adjust settings until you see an image you like, press button.

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Date: 8/07/2020 18:28:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1586116
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


JudgeMental said:

Dark Orange said:

As for “What is Mirrorless, and what does it do that my top end DSLR doesn’t” question, let me share what I like about them.

They are smaller/lighterthan DSLRs. However, once you start sticking the new lenses on them, they don’t end up much lighter.

They are also quiet and quick. With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife and improves reliability considerably due to there being zero moving parts.

My favorite feature is the electronic viewfinder. Because you are looking at a tiny TV screen rather than the actual image, the camera can superimpose lots of info over the image you are seeing, such as which bits are over-exposed, which bits are in focus etc. And it can be set to show you the real-time view of how the image will look – depth of field, exposure etc. Real cool. The ability to review the images through the viewfinder without having to find shade to see the images on the rear screen is a real bonus!

Because mirrorless cameras have a shorter distance between where the lens screws on and the sensor, you have to use a spacer to connect your DSLR lenses to a Mirrorless body. And if you are going to have a spacer, there is no practical reason why the spacer needs to have the same lens mount at either end – Any lens can be adapted to work with any mirrorless camera. The new lenses are so sharp and clinical that I have discovered the joys of vintage lenses. They all have character, and they all can be adapted to fit to my new Mirrorless body. (I have a 50’s era projector lens coming from the Czech Republic that will fit straight onto a $6 adaptor that fits to my camera)

Now, with older lens you have focus and aperture adjustment on the lens, how does this tie in with the electronics in the camera body?

Camera don’t care. It’s surprisingly easy – stick manual lens on camera, adjust settings until you see an image you like, press button.

Ta, good to know.

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Date: 8/07/2020 19:55:56
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586163
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:

What are your favourite lenses? Please supply a complete list with comments :)

The lens I use the most is the Sony 85/1.8 – it is my favorite portrait length, and the lens is the sharpest in my collection across the entire aperture range. I’d like to buy more Sony lenses but I only have so many kidneys to sell. It has replaced my Canon 100/f2 as my primary lens.

My second most used lens is the Canon 24-70-ii f/2.8 for those times I need any other length.

I also have a Canon 50/1.2 that I need to start using more again.

My favorite though is the Canon 24mm Tilt/Shift. A difficult beast to drive, but produced amazing images.

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Date: 8/07/2020 20:27:14
From: Ian
ID: 1586181
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

What are your favourite lenses? Please supply a complete list with comments :)

The lens I use the most is the Sony 85/1.8 – it is my favorite portrait length, and the lens is the sharpest in my collection across the entire aperture range. I’d like to buy more Sony lenses but I only have so many kidneys to sell. It has replaced my Canon 100/f2 as my primary lens.

My second most used lens is the Canon 24-70-ii f/2.8 for those times I need any other length.

I also have a Canon 50/1.2 that I need to start using more again.

My favorite though is the Canon 24mm Tilt/Shift. A difficult beast to drive, but produced amazing images.

Thanks. 85 – 90mm is a sweet lens for portraiture. I just use my Canon 70 – 200 mm f/2.8.

Canon 24-70-ii f/2.8 Yes that’s probably my favourite.

Canon 24mm Tilt/Shift.. yeah, I’ve seen good reports on them. By difficult beast to drive do you mean getting the hang of the extra knobs? What subjects do you like to use it for?

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Date: 8/07/2020 21:15:09
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1586187
Subject: re: Camera chat

Nice to hear from you again DO. I remember you as a great portrait photographer.

I don’t know even a quarter of the abbreviations flying around here.

> With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife

Now that, I like. I really wish I could disable the shooting sound of my present camera. It doesn’t upset the possum but does upset both the cat and all the birds.

I don’t do “sharp”. I don’t do narrow depth of field. I could be persuaded to do auto-bracketing.

I do do zoom (60x optical), and want night (camera won’t focus if light is too faint), want macro (ideally photograph insects just 1 mm long), want timed multi-shots (at present no briefer than 30 seconds), want high speed, want rugged, want IR.

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Date: 8/07/2020 21:27:32
From: Michael V
ID: 1586189
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

What are your favourite lenses? Please supply a complete list with comments :)

The lens I use the most is the Sony 85/1.8 – it is my favorite portrait length, and the lens is the sharpest in my collection across the entire aperture range. I’d like to buy more Sony lenses but I only have so many kidneys to sell. It has replaced my Canon 100/f2 as my primary lens.

My second most used lens is the Canon 24-70-ii f/2.8 for those times I need any other length.

I also have a Canon 50/1.2 that I need to start using more again.

My favorite though is the Canon 24mm Tilt/Shift. A difficult beast to drive, but produced amazing images.

Ooooh! A Tilt/Shift! Nice.

:)

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Date: 8/07/2020 21:28:49
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586191
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:

Canon 24mm Tilt/Shift.. yeah, I’ve seen good reports on them. By difficult beast to drive do you mean getting the hang of the extra knobs? What subjects do you like to use it for?

The knobs are easy – one adjusts the focal plane, the other adjusts the perspective. It’s like how photography is just adjusting aperture and shutterspeed.

I have used it as a general walking-around lens at times when I have wanted to try something different, but am loving it for portraiture.

Here’s a couple of waterfall shots:
They’re usually designed to remove perspective distortion, but they can enhance it as well…

Then there’s the standard focal plane manipulation to remove the unnecessary from the frame…

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Date: 8/07/2020 21:40:24
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586194
Subject: re: Camera chat

mollwollfumble said:


Nice to hear from you again DO. I remember you as a great portrait photographer.

I don’t know even a quarter of the abbreviations flying around here.

> With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife

Now that, I like. I really wish I could disable the shooting sound of my present camera. It doesn’t upset the possum but does upset both the cat and all the birds.

I don’t do “sharp”. I don’t do narrow depth of field. I could be persuaded to do auto-bracketing.

I do do zoom (60x optical), and want night (camera won’t focus if light is too faint), want macro (ideally photograph insects just 1 mm long), want timed multi-shots (at present no briefer than 30 seconds), want high speed, want rugged, want IR.

LIkewise, Molly. A shame you are in the bad part of Oz, it’d be nice to catch up at some stage. ;)

Zoom? You just need a good lens. And with 40 megapickles, you can crop the hell out of the photo and still have a high res image. I have seen some nice images of Saturn taken with standard zoom lenses. Focusing in the dark is always an issue, but the new generation of cameras do pretty well at it. Macro is easy – standard lenses with extension tubes will get you surprising results. Actually, you don’t even need extension tubes.

This image, for example, was shot hand held in my back yard with a 70mm lens.

But because 40mp, you can crop it to this:

Again, hand held with a 100mm lens:

Time lapse is pretty common these days, most cameras are surprisingly water resistant and rugged, but IR is not something you can get off the shelf. You can modify existing cameras, but it requires major surgery and is probably easier to just buy one from a mob who modifies them for the astrophotographers.

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Date: 8/07/2020 22:00:23
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586195
Subject: re: Camera chat

Here is a full-res sample pic using a Sony 24mm f/1.4 that I stuck on my camera in the shop, pointed at the roof of the shopping centre, took a shot with it wide open at 1.4, then put it back because I was told the price. Unedited, unsharpened, straight out of camera. (removed CA in the raw conversion)

Zoom into its 42mp glory. Keep zooming in to pixel level. (Warning: It’s a big file)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13WZ5yq23mMOVolQyj3SZ-3WQIbVc0f2J/view?usp=sharing

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Date: 8/07/2020 22:07:45
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586196
Subject: re: Camera chat

And one more random shot before bed:

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Date: 8/07/2020 22:13:44
From: Michael V
ID: 1586197
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

Here is a full-res sample pic using a Sony 24mm f/1.4 that I stuck on my camera in the shop, pointed at the roof of the shopping centre, took a shot with it wide open at 1.4, then put it back because I was told the price. Unedited, unsharpened, straight out of camera. (removed CA in the raw conversion)

Zoom into its 42mp glory. Keep zooming in to pixel level. (Warning: It’s a big file)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13WZ5yq23mMOVolQyj3SZ-3WQIbVc0f2J/view?usp=sharing

Wow!

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Date: 8/07/2020 22:27:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1586203
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

Here is a full-res sample pic using a Sony 24mm f/1.4 that I stuck on my camera in the shop, pointed at the roof of the shopping centre, took a shot with it wide open at 1.4, then put it back because I was told the price. Unedited, unsharpened, straight out of camera. (removed CA in the raw conversion)

Zoom into its 42mp glory. Keep zooming in to pixel level. (Warning: It’s a big file)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13WZ5yq23mMOVolQyj3SZ-3WQIbVc0f2J/view?usp=sharing

Certainly detailed.

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Date: 8/07/2020 22:42:32
From: Rule 303
ID: 1586205
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

Here is a full-res sample pic using a Sony 24mm f/1.4 that I stuck on my camera in the shop, pointed at the roof of the shopping centre, took a shot with it wide open at 1.4, then put it back because I was told the price. Unedited, unsharpened, straight out of camera. (removed CA in the raw conversion)

Zoom into its 42mp glory. Keep zooming in to pixel level. (Warning: It’s a big file)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13WZ5yq23mMOVolQyj3SZ-3WQIbVc0f2J/view?usp=sharing

I had a Pentax 645D with about $60k worth of glass to play with for a few months last year. Could not take a single useful shot with it. That might have been because I have the photography talent of a Koala on Serepax, or it might be because the images are just too large to do anything useful with, and the camera tops out the effective film speed at 1,000 ASA.

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Date: 9/07/2020 07:17:07
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586329
Subject: re: Camera chat

JudgeMental said:


The d stands for digital. 5 is the version.

The number is the model number. Canon naming nonmenclaure follows the baic rule of “The fewer digits in the model number, the better it is”.
The 4000D is entry level, the 850D is a step up, the 70D is quite capable, but the single digits (5D, 7D, 1D etc) is where the money is at.

This new mirrorless stuff is a really exciting time for photography. While Nikon and Canon have been making better and better DSLR bodies, Sony have been forging new ground in the mirrorless wilderness, slowly resolving the technical problems and making the system work. It was embarrassing when both Canon and Nikon finally realised they’d missed the boat and rushed their mirrorless bodies to market, only to have them nowhere near as good as the Sony bodies that had been released a year prior. Sony even rubbed salt into the wounds by releasing a new better model a week or so earlier. :)

Interestingly enough, the majority of “features” in modern mirrorless cameras are software based, so it only took a few firmware updates for them to catch up.

Having said that, Canon are on the verge of retaking the crown with the imminent release of their new mirrorless flagship model.

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Date: 9/07/2020 09:57:56
From: Ian
ID: 1586419
Subject: re: Camera chat

Some well made points there DO, sharply illustrated…

I think I may have left a lazy 10 grand somewhere.. under this cushion.. no….

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Date: 9/07/2020 10:18:57
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586442
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


Some well made points there DO, sharply illustrated…

I think I may have left a lazy 10 grand somewhere.. under this cushion.. no….

Your 5DIV will see you through for a few more years, but will probably be the last DSLR you own. Your Canon lenses will move to the new Canon mirrorless systems without issue though, so will be a painless upgrade.

In fact, you could probably pick up a cheap second hand EOS-R in a few months to play with.

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Date: 9/07/2020 10:36:53
From: Ian
ID: 1586455
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Ian said:

Some well made points there DO, sharply illustrated…

I think I may have left a lazy 10 grand somewhere.. under this cushion.. no….

Your 5DIV will see you through for a few more years, but will probably be the last DSLR you own. Your Canon lenses will move to the new Canon mirrorless systems without issue though, so will be a painless upgrade.

In fact, you could probably pick up a cheap second hand EOS-R in a few months to play with.

Good news :)

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Date: 9/07/2020 10:44:11
From: Ian
ID: 1586458
Subject: re: Camera chat

Actually, I bought a 5DIII as the 5DIV was coming out.. so I still have a bit of small change :)

Technology marches on.

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Date: 9/07/2020 11:08:52
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586470
Subject: re: Camera chat

My 5D-II served me well for 10 years.

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Date: 9/07/2020 11:14:42
From: Ian
ID: 1586472
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


My 5D-II served me well for 10 years.

Mine still serves. I don’t like to swap lenses often.

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Date: 9/07/2020 19:27:09
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1586756
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


mollwollfumble said:

Nice to hear from you again DO. I remember you as a great portrait photographer.

I don’t know even a quarter of the abbreviations flying around here.

> With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife

Now that, I like. I really wish I could disable the shooting sound of my present camera. It doesn’t upset the possum but does upset both the cat and all the birds.

I don’t do “sharp”. I don’t do narrow depth of field. I could be persuaded to do auto-bracketing.

I do do zoom (60x optical), and want night (camera won’t focus if light is too faint), want macro (ideally photograph insects just 1 mm long), want timed multi-shots (at present no briefer than 30 seconds), want high speed, want rugged, want IR.

LIkewise, Molly. A shame you are in the bad part of Oz, it’d be nice to catch up at some stage. ;)

Zoom? You just need a good lens. And with 40 megapickles, you can crop the hell out of the photo and still have a high res image. I have seen some nice images of Saturn taken with standard zoom lenses. Focusing in the dark is always an issue, but the new generation of cameras do pretty well at it. Macro is easy – standard lenses with extension tubes will get you surprising results. Actually, you don’t even need extension tubes.

But because 40mp, you can crop it to this:

Again, hand held with a 100mm lens:

Time lapse is pretty common these days, most cameras are surprisingly water resistant and rugged, but IR is not something you can get off the shelf. You can modify existing cameras, but it requires major surgery and is probably easier to just buy one from a mob who modifies them for the astrophotographers.

Those images are bloody brilliant. When I try an ant I consider myself lucky if I can find a blurry blob somewhere near the centre of the field. A blob that gets blurrier when I crop.

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Date: 9/07/2020 19:35:56
From: buffy
ID: 1586760
Subject: re: Camera chat

mollwollfumble said:


Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nice to hear from you again DO. I remember you as a great portrait photographer.

I don’t know even a quarter of the abbreviations flying around here.

> With no mirror to be slapping around, the only noise is the physical shutter, and even that can be disabled to give you absolute silent shooting which is good for wildlife

Now that, I like. I really wish I could disable the shooting sound of my present camera. It doesn’t upset the possum but does upset both the cat and all the birds.

I don’t do “sharp”. I don’t do narrow depth of field. I could be persuaded to do auto-bracketing.

I do do zoom (60x optical), and want night (camera won’t focus if light is too faint), want macro (ideally photograph insects just 1 mm long), want timed multi-shots (at present no briefer than 30 seconds), want high speed, want rugged, want IR.

LIkewise, Molly. A shame you are in the bad part of Oz, it’d be nice to catch up at some stage. ;)

Zoom? You just need a good lens. And with 40 megapickles, you can crop the hell out of the photo and still have a high res image. I have seen some nice images of Saturn taken with standard zoom lenses. Focusing in the dark is always an issue, but the new generation of cameras do pretty well at it. Macro is easy – standard lenses with extension tubes will get you surprising results. Actually, you don’t even need extension tubes.

But because 40mp, you can crop it to this:

Again, hand held with a 100mm lens:

Time lapse is pretty common these days, most cameras are surprisingly water resistant and rugged, but IR is not something you can get off the shelf. You can modify existing cameras, but it requires major surgery and is probably easier to just buy one from a mob who modifies them for the astrophotographers.

Those images are bloody brilliant. When I try an ant I consider myself lucky if I can find a blurry blob somewhere near the centre of the field. A blob that gets blurrier when I crop.

This is the best I can do with my little red Nikon Coolpix automatic camera. I can’t be bothered with messing around with fancy cameras. Dad and my brother did enough of that for one family. I took this ant picture a couple of days ago when I was doing photos for my Letter to Mum. In the end I didn’t use it in the letter. But I photograph all sorts of things because I have to find enough for two letters a week.

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Date: 9/07/2020 19:50:27
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586764
Subject: re: Camera chat

mollwollfumble said:


Those images are bloody brilliant. When I try an ant I consider myself lucky if I can find a blurry blob somewhere near the centre of the field. A blob that gets blurrier when I crop.

Thanks. :)
That’s where sharpness comes into it. The photo of the native bees was taken with a (relatively) cheap Canon 100mm f/2 lens. The Canon 100mm mcro is supposed to be as good.

Oh, and when it comes to sharpness, prime (non-zoom) lenses can be built to better tolerances so will nearly always give beter sharpness for your dollar.

Also, my camera has “IBIS” which is In Body Image Stabilisation, where the sensor moves to counterract camera shake.

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Date: 9/07/2020 21:57:25
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1586859
Subject: re: Camera chat

I call this lens “Scarface”. (Say hello to my little friend…)

Soligor 135mm f/1.5 (2.7kg)

And next to a Canon 24-70 for a size comparison.

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Date: 10/07/2020 10:53:56
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1587108
Subject: re: Camera chat

buffy said:

This is the best I can do with my little red Nikon Coolpix automatic camera. I can’t be bothered with messing around with fancy cameras. Dad and my brother did enough of that for one family. I took this ant picture a couple of days ago when I was doing photos for my Letter to Mum. In the end I didn’t use it in the letter. But I photograph all sorts of things because I have to find enough for two letters a week.


If your little red Coolpix does what you need, then stick with it. Not everybody needs/wants to zoom in to count the hairs on the antenna of the subject.

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Date: 10/07/2020 10:58:59
From: Tamb
ID: 1587112
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


buffy said:

This is the best I can do with my little red Nikon Coolpix automatic camera. I can’t be bothered with messing around with fancy cameras. Dad and my brother did enough of that for one family. I took this ant picture a couple of days ago when I was doing photos for my Letter to Mum. In the end I didn’t use it in the letter. But I photograph all sorts of things because I have to find enough for two letters a week.


If your little red Coolpix does what you need, then stick with it. Not everybody needs/wants to zoom in to count the hairs on the antenna of the subject.


I have a black Nikon Coolpix. Some really good image manipulation software came with it.

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Date: 10/07/2020 11:24:58
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1587134
Subject: re: Camera chat

The one trick Macro lens manufacturers don’t want you to know:

For those with DSLRs who are interested in taking macro images, there is a cheap (read: Free) way of getting surprisingly good macro images which works best with lenses around the 50mm length.

1. Put camera in Manual or Shutter priority mode. (Aust-ISO may also be useful if you have it)
2. Remove the lens from the camera.
3. Flip the lens so that the lens is facing the camera.
4. Hold the lens in place covering the hole in your camera.
5. Point at something small. (you will probably have to get very close)
6. Take a photo.
7. Adjust shutterspeed and/or ISO to get the required exposure.

…and that’s it.

Advanced options:

You can buy “Reversing rings” to allow you to do this in a less ghetto manner, if you do this regularly then it may be worth your while to acquire one.

The aperture controls the depth of field and as there is no control over the aperture, the images all have minimum depth of field. If you find you want a little more in focus, you can set the desired aperture while the lens is mounted to the camera and press and hold the “DOF preview button” as you remove the lens. This will result in the lens remaining in the desired aperture while it is off the camera.

Orange Lacewing, Cethosia penthesilea


Green long-legged fly Austrosciapus connexus

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Date: 10/07/2020 11:27:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1587140
Subject: re: Camera chat

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Date: 12/07/2020 00:32:33
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1588306
Subject: re: Camera chat

Millaa-Millaa falls through a tilt/shift lens.

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Date: 18/07/2020 01:09:09
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1591644
Subject: re: Camera chat

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Date: 18/07/2020 07:58:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1591677
Subject: re: Camera chat

This is my Tamron to Nikon adapter. It has served me well since 1982. Needed some repair.
I’ll clean it up and reassemble it shortly. Now that I have repaired the damage.

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Date: 2/08/2020 19:35:59
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1599635
Subject: re: Camera chat

I got a new toy today. c/ 1956

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Date: 2/08/2020 19:40:14
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1599644
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

I got a new toy today. c/ 1956


purdy

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Date: 2/08/2020 19:40:16
From: dv
ID: 1599645
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

I got a new toy today. c/ 1956


does it go?

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Date: 2/08/2020 19:42:21
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1599649
Subject: re: Camera chat

PermeateFree said:



LOLOL

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Date: 2/08/2020 19:42:22
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1599650
Subject: re: Camera chat

dv said:


Dark Orange said:

I got a new toy today. c/ 1956


does it go?

Does it ever!
It is one of them extremely classic lenses that are getting harder to find.

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Date: 2/08/2020 19:50:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1599653
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

I got a new toy today. c/ 1956


I didn’t realise that Sony were making cameras that far back.

wanders off

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Date: 2/08/2020 21:44:46
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1599706
Subject: re: Camera chat

sibeen said:


Dark Orange said:

I got a new toy today. c/ 1956


I didn’t realise that Sony were making cameras that far back.

wanders off

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Date: 3/10/2020 21:57:11
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1627991
Subject: re: Camera chat

Took another classic lens out for a spin today.

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:41:56
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1642655
Subject: re: Camera chat

Played with some underwater gear today.

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:48:44
From: Rule 303
ID: 1642660
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

Played with some underwater gear today.


(whispers: are you sure it’s PC to describe women as ‘gear’?)

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:51:24
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1642663
Subject: re: Camera chat

Rule 303 said:


Dark Orange said:

Played with some underwater gear today.


(whispers: are you sure it’s PC to describe women as ‘gear’?)

Talking of gear, guess which lens was used for this shot. ;)

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:51:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1642664
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:

Played with some underwater gear today.


:)

Some more cloth might be good.

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:53:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1642665
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Rule 303 said:

Dark Orange said:

Played with some underwater gear today.


(whispers: are you sure it’s PC to describe women as ‘gear’?)

Talking of gear, guess which lens was used for this shot. ;)


I like the fall of the lace in that one.

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:54:24
From: Rule 303
ID: 1642667
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Rule 303 said:

Dark Orange said:

Played with some underwater gear today.


(whispers: are you sure it’s PC to describe women as ‘gear’?)

Talking of gear, guess which lens was used for this shot. ;)


Hehe.

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:55:30
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1642668
Subject: re: Camera chat

sarahs mum said:


Dark Orange said:

Played with some underwater gear today.


:)

Some more cloth might be good.

KISS.
First time out with this gear, was wanting as uncomplicated as possible.

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:57:08
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1642669
Subject: re: Camera chat

sarahs mum said:


Dark Orange said:

Rule 303 said:

(whispers: are you sure it’s PC to describe women as ‘gear’?)

Talking of gear, guess which lens was used for this shot. ;)


I like the fall of the lace in that one.

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Date: 2/11/2020 23:57:56
From: Rule 303
ID: 1642670
Subject: re: Camera chat

All the togs were out shooting MelbHenge last night and tonight.

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Date: 22/01/2021 08:34:32
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1684109
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


Dark Orange said:

This has been a good week of bargain hunting. Found a camera lens online priced at under 1/4 of normal due to it not working. Listed issues were ones that I could probably work around, or at least live with, so took the punt. Asked seller some details about the issues, and it turns out the problems are no longer present. Although we both assume they will return at some stage.

And today I scored some random camera gear at the op shop for $20. Ebay lisings suggest the bit I wanted is worth almost 10 times that.

Nice.

My son is sending me his camera because he doesn’t use it. Internet reading seems to be an OK model. Certainly better than the point and shoot that I have now that needs a new battery.

Nikon D7100 with 18-200 lens.

When I get it and can’t work out how to use it, I may have to call on your expertise…

Photographing is easy these days, the camera literally does all the difficult stuff for you.

My guidelines are:

1. Try to shoot at no slower than the inverse of the focal length. (ie. If shooting at 100mm, shoot faster than 1/100th of a second) to avoid camera shake.

2. Try to keep the ISO as low as you can for best image quality, but rule 1 may require you to boost it a bit. In general, you can start seeing issues at ISO800. “Auto Aperture” is a double edged sword, but may be useful to you.

3. Shooting in Aperture Priority gives you the ability to quickly choose the style of image you want. Shooting landscape? Then you’ll want as much in focus as you can so wind the aperture up to the bigger numbers. (more in focus, longer shutterspeeds) Want something to stand out from the background by minimising how much is in focus or photographing a moving object? Then wind the aperture down to the smaller numbers. (Less in focus, faster shutterspeeds)

4. Advanced step: Once you notice the situations where your camera will over/under expose, adjust the exposure compensation to suit.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:29:28
From: Michael V
ID: 1684130
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

This has been a good week of bargain hunting. Found a camera lens online priced at under 1/4 of normal due to it not working. Listed issues were ones that I could probably work around, or at least live with, so took the punt. Asked seller some details about the issues, and it turns out the problems are no longer present. Although we both assume they will return at some stage.

And today I scored some random camera gear at the op shop for $20. Ebay lisings suggest the bit I wanted is worth almost 10 times that.

Nice.

My son is sending me his camera because he doesn’t use it. Internet reading seems to be an OK model. Certainly better than the point and shoot that I have now that needs a new battery.

Nikon D7100 with 18-200 lens.

When I get it and can’t work out how to use it, I may have to call on your expertise…

Photographing is easy these days, the camera literally does all the difficult stuff for you.

My guidelines are:

1. Try to shoot at no slower than the inverse of the focal length. (ie. If shooting at 100mm, shoot faster than 1/100th of a second) to avoid camera shake.

2. Try to keep the ISO as low as you can for best image quality, but rule 1 may require you to boost it a bit. In general, you can start seeing issues at ISO800. “Auto Aperture” is a double edged sword, but may be useful to you.

3. Shooting in Aperture Priority gives you the ability to quickly choose the style of image you want. Shooting landscape? Then you’ll want as much in focus as you can so wind the aperture up to the bigger numbers. (more in focus, longer shutterspeeds) Want something to stand out from the background by minimising how much is in focus or photographing a moving object? Then wind the aperture down to the smaller numbers. (Less in focus, faster shutterspeeds)

4. Advanced step: Once you notice the situations where your camera will over/under expose, adjust the exposure compensation to suit.

Thanks for that.

:)

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:31:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684133
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Nice.

My son is sending me his camera because he doesn’t use it. Internet reading seems to be an OK model. Certainly better than the point and shoot that I have now that needs a new battery.

Nikon D7100 with 18-200 lens.

When I get it and can’t work out how to use it, I may have to call on your expertise…

Photographing is easy these days, the camera literally does all the difficult stuff for you.

My guidelines are:

1. Try to shoot at no slower than the inverse of the focal length. (ie. If shooting at 100mm, shoot faster than 1/100th of a second) to avoid camera shake.

2. Try to keep the ISO as low as you can for best image quality, but rule 1 may require you to boost it a bit. In general, you can start seeing issues at ISO800. “Auto Aperture” is a double edged sword, but may be useful to you.

3. Shooting in Aperture Priority gives you the ability to quickly choose the style of image you want. Shooting landscape? Then you’ll want as much in focus as you can so wind the aperture up to the bigger numbers. (more in focus, longer shutterspeeds) Want something to stand out from the background by minimising how much is in focus or photographing a moving object? Then wind the aperture down to the smaller numbers. (Less in focus, faster shutterspeeds)

4. Advanced step: Once you notice the situations where your camera will over/under expose, adjust the exposure compensation to suit.

Thanks for that.

:)

Have fun.
Knowing how you want to look at granular structure, you might want to think about ways to get closer to your work.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:34:42
From: Tamb
ID: 1684136
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Nice.

My son is sending me his camera because he doesn’t use it. Internet reading seems to be an OK model. Certainly better than the point and shoot that I have now that needs a new battery.

Nikon D7100 with 18-200 lens.

When I get it and can’t work out how to use it, I may have to call on your expertise…

Photographing is easy these days, the camera literally does all the difficult stuff for you.

My guidelines are:

1. Try to shoot at no slower than the inverse of the focal length. (ie. If shooting at 100mm, shoot faster than 1/100th of a second) to avoid camera shake.

2. Try to keep the ISO as low as you can for best image quality, but rule 1 may require you to boost it a bit. In general, you can start seeing issues at ISO800. “Auto Aperture” is a double edged sword, but may be useful to you.

3. Shooting in Aperture Priority gives you the ability to quickly choose the style of image you want. Shooting landscape? Then you’ll want as much in focus as you can so wind the aperture up to the bigger numbers. (more in focus, longer shutterspeeds) Want something to stand out from the background by minimising how much is in focus or photographing a moving object? Then wind the aperture down to the smaller numbers. (Less in focus, faster shutterspeeds)

4. Advanced step: Once you notice the situations where your camera will over/under expose, adjust the exposure compensation to suit.

Thanks for that.

:)


Back in the old days we used to bracket exposures when unsure. 3 shots. One stop under, one normal & one stop over.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:37:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684142
Subject: re: Camera chat

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Photographing is easy these days, the camera literally does all the difficult stuff for you.

My guidelines are:

1. Try to shoot at no slower than the inverse of the focal length. (ie. If shooting at 100mm, shoot faster than 1/100th of a second) to avoid camera shake.

2. Try to keep the ISO as low as you can for best image quality, but rule 1 may require you to boost it a bit. In general, you can start seeing issues at ISO800. “Auto Aperture” is a double edged sword, but may be useful to you.

3. Shooting in Aperture Priority gives you the ability to quickly choose the style of image you want. Shooting landscape? Then you’ll want as much in focus as you can so wind the aperture up to the bigger numbers. (more in focus, longer shutterspeeds) Want something to stand out from the background by minimising how much is in focus or photographing a moving object? Then wind the aperture down to the smaller numbers. (Less in focus, faster shutterspeeds)

4. Advanced step: Once you notice the situations where your camera will over/under expose, adjust the exposure compensation to suit.

Thanks for that.

:)


Back in the old days we used to bracket exposures when unsure. 3 shots. One stop under, one normal & one stop over.

That was when someone else was paying for the film and processing.
These days you can bracket to your heart’s content.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:39:44
From: Tamb
ID: 1684144
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Thanks for that.

:)


Back in the old days we used to bracket exposures when unsure. 3 shots. One stop under, one normal & one stop over.

That was when someone else was paying for the film and processing.
These days you can bracket to your heart’s content.


Oh yes. Digital has reduced costs enormously. Love it.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:40:09
From: Michael V
ID: 1684145
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Photographing is easy these days, the camera literally does all the difficult stuff for you.

My guidelines are:

1. Try to shoot at no slower than the inverse of the focal length. (ie. If shooting at 100mm, shoot faster than 1/100th of a second) to avoid camera shake.

2. Try to keep the ISO as low as you can for best image quality, but rule 1 may require you to boost it a bit. In general, you can start seeing issues at ISO800. “Auto Aperture” is a double edged sword, but may be useful to you.

3. Shooting in Aperture Priority gives you the ability to quickly choose the style of image you want. Shooting landscape? Then you’ll want as much in focus as you can so wind the aperture up to the bigger numbers. (more in focus, longer shutterspeeds) Want something to stand out from the background by minimising how much is in focus or photographing a moving object? Then wind the aperture down to the smaller numbers. (Less in focus, faster shutterspeeds)

4. Advanced step: Once you notice the situations where your camera will over/under expose, adjust the exposure compensation to suit.

Thanks for that.

:)

Have fun.
Knowing how you want to look at granular structure, you might want to think about ways to get closer to your work.

:)

Still waiting for it to arrive.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:42:33
From: Michael V
ID: 1684147
Subject: re: Camera chat

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Photographing is easy these days, the camera literally does all the difficult stuff for you.

My guidelines are:

1. Try to shoot at no slower than the inverse of the focal length. (ie. If shooting at 100mm, shoot faster than 1/100th of a second) to avoid camera shake.

2. Try to keep the ISO as low as you can for best image quality, but rule 1 may require you to boost it a bit. In general, you can start seeing issues at ISO800. “Auto Aperture” is a double edged sword, but may be useful to you.

3. Shooting in Aperture Priority gives you the ability to quickly choose the style of image you want. Shooting landscape? Then you’ll want as much in focus as you can so wind the aperture up to the bigger numbers. (more in focus, longer shutterspeeds) Want something to stand out from the background by minimising how much is in focus or photographing a moving object? Then wind the aperture down to the smaller numbers. (Less in focus, faster shutterspeeds)

4. Advanced step: Once you notice the situations where your camera will over/under expose, adjust the exposure compensation to suit.

Thanks for that.

:)


Back in the old days we used to bracket exposures when unsure. 3 shots. One stop under, one normal & one stop over.

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:44:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684149
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Thanks for that.

:)


Back in the old days we used to bracket exposures when unsure. 3 shots. One stop under, one normal & one stop over.

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:50:40
From: Michael V
ID: 1684155
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Back in the old days we used to bracket exposures when unsure. 3 shots. One stop under, one normal & one stop over.

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Of course.

DO recently inherited the zoom and wide angle lenses for his experiments. I still have the original lens.

The Ricoh is now only suitable for a nostalgic display item. As is Mrs V’s Agfa large format (6 × 7) bellows pocket camera.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:53:19
From: Tamb
ID: 1684157
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Of course.

DO recently inherited the zoom and wide angle lenses for his experiments. I still have the original lens.

The Ricoh is now only suitable for a nostalgic display item. As is Mrs V’s Agfa large format (6 × 7) bellows pocket camera.


My faithful Pentax SLR finally died after taking thousands of photos.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:53:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684158
Subject: re: Camera chat

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Of course.

DO recently inherited the zoom and wide angle lenses for his experiments. I still have the original lens.

The Ricoh is now only suitable for a nostalgic display item. As is Mrs V’s Agfa large format (6 × 7) bellows pocket camera.

Have got a few of those though I managed to destroy the Ricoh.

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Date: 22/01/2021 10:59:38
From: Ian
ID: 1684162
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Back in the old days we used to bracket exposures when unsure. 3 shots. One stop under, one normal & one stop over.

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Used to have a lot of fun with old Kodak 120 (medium format) camera and later on a Yashika twin lens reflex… in darkroom, with enlarger.

Rarely bracketed exposures as I learned how to use a light meter.

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Date: 22/01/2021 11:19:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684186
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Used to have a lot of fun with old Kodak 120 (medium format) camera and later on a Yashika twin lens reflex… in darkroom, with enlarger.

Rarely bracketed exposures as I learned how to use a light meter.

:) I did quite a bt of that as well.

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Date: 22/01/2021 11:23:16
From: Tamb
ID: 1684194
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Ian said:

roughbarked said:

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Used to have a lot of fun with old Kodak 120 (medium format) camera and later on a Yashika twin lens reflex… in darkroom, with enlarger.

Rarely bracketed exposures as I learned how to use a light meter.

:) I did quite a bt of that as well.


Sometimes the bracketing was to achieve a special effect rather than a perfect exposure.

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Date: 22/01/2021 11:42:45
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1684233
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I remember doing that with the 35 mm Ricoh SLR I had (still have).

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Used to have a lot of fun with old Kodak 120 (medium format) camera and later on a Yashika twin lens reflex… in darkroom, with enlarger.

Rarely bracketed exposures as I learned how to use a light meter.

Even in these modern days of digital, extended dynamic range RAW files and limitless exposures, a light meter is still extremely useful.

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Date: 22/01/2021 11:55:56
From: Ian
ID: 1684237
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Ian said:

roughbarked said:

Which you can’t afford to put film in these days.

Used to have a lot of fun with old Kodak 120 (medium format) camera and later on a Yashika twin lens reflex… in darkroom, with enlarger.

Rarely bracketed exposures as I learned how to use a light meter.

Even in these modern days of digital, extended dynamic range RAW files and limitless exposures, a light meter is still extremely useful.

Imagine so. The TTL meter can lie depending on the conditions.
What’s a good meter.. and not too expensive?

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Date: 22/01/2021 11:59:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684240
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

Used to have a lot of fun with old Kodak 120 (medium format) camera and later on a Yashika twin lens reflex… in darkroom, with enlarger.

Rarely bracketed exposures as I learned how to use a light meter.

Even in these modern days of digital, extended dynamic range RAW files and limitless exposures, a light meter is still extremely useful.

Imagine so. The TTL meter can lie depending on the conditions.
What’s a good meter.. and not too expensive?

Got several laying around here. Forgotten where they are so long since I’ve used them.

When I switched to non digital lenses it was all back to what was memorised inside noggin.

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Date: 22/01/2021 12:04:27
From: Tamb
ID: 1684246
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Ian said:

Dark Orange said:

Even in these modern days of digital, extended dynamic range RAW files and limitless exposures, a light meter is still extremely useful.

Imagine so. The TTL meter can lie depending on the conditions.
What’s a good meter.. and not too expensive?

Got several laying around here. Forgotten where they are so long since I’ve used them.

When I switched to non digital lenses it was all back to what was memorised inside noggin.


I modified an old air rifle stock to take the Pentax with a 600mm lens. The shutter release was fitted inside the trigger guard. Really good for long shots without the hassle of a tripod.

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Date: 22/01/2021 12:05:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684249
Subject: re: Camera chat

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Ian said:

Imagine so. The TTL meter can lie depending on the conditions.
What’s a good meter.. and not too expensive?

Got several laying around here. Forgotten where they are so long since I’ve used them.

When I switched to non digital lenses it was all back to what was memorised inside noggin.


I modified an old air rifle stock to take the Pentax with a 600mm lens. The shutter release was fitted inside the trigger guard. Really good for long shots without the hassle of a tripod.

Good idea.

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Date: 22/01/2021 12:06:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684251
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Got several laying around here. Forgotten where they are so long since I’ve used them.

When I switched to non digital lenses it was all back to what was memorised inside noggin.


I modified an old air rifle stock to take the Pentax with a 600mm lens. The shutter release was fitted inside the trigger guard. Really good for long shots without the hassle of a tripod.

Good idea.

Presumably a simple cable release, which is like squeezing a trigger anyway.

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Date: 22/01/2021 12:11:14
From: Tamb
ID: 1684256
Subject: re: Camera chat

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

I modified an old air rifle stock to take the Pentax with a 600mm lens. The shutter release was fitted inside the trigger guard. Really good for long shots without the hassle of a tripod.

Good idea.

Presumably a simple cable release, which is like squeezing a trigger anyway.


That’s right. The fixed part was attached to the stock so it was a one finger operation.
I used the stock for motor racing shots. Pre focused on an interesting corner.

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Date: 22/01/2021 12:12:58
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1684258
Subject: re: Camera chat

Ian said:


Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

Used to have a lot of fun with old Kodak 120 (medium format) camera and later on a Yashika twin lens reflex… in darkroom, with enlarger.

Rarely bracketed exposures as I learned how to use a light meter.

Even in these modern days of digital, extended dynamic range RAW files and limitless exposures, a light meter is still extremely useful.

Imagine so. The TTL meter can lie depending on the conditions.
What’s a good meter.. and not too expensive?

For those unaware, the light meter in cameras measure the “Reflecttive” light – they look at the light reflecting from the scene and the camera exposes everything to a “Neutral grey”. There are different exposure modes (spot, centre-weighted average, average etc.) that instruct the camera to give greater priority to some areas over others, but basically the camera takes a guess at what it thinks the exposure should be.

It can still get confused by scenes that are primarily dark or light. Take a photo of an empty blackboard and you’ll end up with a greyboard. Take a photo of a whiteboard, and you’ll also end up with a greyboard.

A proper light meter allows you to measure the amount of light falling on the scene rather than the light being reflected off it. Blacks are black, whites are white – perfect exposures every time regardless of the scene.

As for which light meter to get, the digital era has largely made them redundant. The camera is smart enough to get it right almost every time, and experience will allow you to know when it will get confused and accommodate for it. (or when you want a shot that isn’t perfectly exposed) And even if you get it wrong, the Raw image format has more dynamic range than the jpg format can handle, meaning you can adjust a stop or two in post without loss of image quality.

Where a light meter really comes in handy is when you are using strobes or multiple light sources on a subject.

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Date: 22/01/2021 13:18:32
From: Ian
ID: 1684307
Subject: re: Camera chat

Dark Orange said:


Ian said:

Dark Orange said:

Even in these modern days of digital, extended dynamic range RAW files and limitless exposures, a light meter is still extremely useful.

Imagine so. The TTL meter can lie depending on the conditions.
What’s a good meter.. and not too expensive?

For those unaware, the light meter in cameras measure the “Reflecttive” light – they look at the light reflecting from the scene and the camera exposes everything to a “Neutral grey”. There are different exposure modes (spot, centre-weighted average, average etc.) that instruct the camera to give greater priority to some areas over others, but basically the camera takes a guess at what it thinks the exposure should be.

It can still get confused by scenes that are primarily dark or light. Take a photo of an empty blackboard and you’ll end up with a greyboard. Take a photo of a whiteboard, and you’ll also end up with a greyboard.

A proper light meter allows you to measure the amount of light falling on the scene rather than the light being reflected off it. Blacks are black, whites are white – perfect exposures every time regardless of the scene.

As for which light meter to get, the digital era has largely made them redundant. The camera is smart enough to get it right almost every time, and experience will allow you to know when it will get confused and accommodate for it. (or when you want a shot that isn’t perfectly exposed) And even if you get it wrong, the Raw image format has more dynamic range than the jpg format can handle, meaning you can adjust a stop or two in post without loss of image quality.

Where a light meter really comes in handy is when you are using strobes or multiple light sources on a subject.

Thanks. Be handy for use with studio lights.

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