Let’s set this up for the new week with a link to the government resources.
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance
SCIENCE said:
How good are trhe first two links?
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
How good are trhe first two links?
They’re Not Broken Yet
(you know that old Forum pastime of following links…)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/french-bus-driver-killed-in-barbaric-attack-face-masks/12446606
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/french-bus-driver-killed-in-barbaric-attack-face-masks/12446606
only attempted ¿ fk
The latest news from China – I think that all their new cases are cases imported from abroad.
From 0 to 24:00 on July 11, 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 7 newly confirmed cases, all of which were imported cases (4 cases in Tianjin, 2 cases in Shanghai, and 1 case in Zhejiang); New death cases; no new suspected cases.
On the same day, 11 new cases were discharged and 235 close contacts were released from medical observation. The severe cases were the same as the previous day. 78 imported confirmed cases (no severe cases) were imported from abroad, and 4 suspected cases were currently available. A total of 1971 cases were diagnosed, and 1893 cases were discharged and no deaths were found.
As of 24:00 on July 11, according to the reports of 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, there are currently 326 confirmed cases (including 3 severe cases), a total of 78,634 discharged cases and a total of 4,634 deaths A total of 83,594 confirmed cases were reported, and there are 7 suspected cases. A total of 766,329 close contacts were tracked, and 3739 close contacts were still under medical observation.
31 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities directly under the Central Government) and Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported the addition of 5 cases of asymptomatic infections (5 cases imported overseas); no conversion to confirmed cases on that day; 4 cases of medical observations released on the same day (3 cases imported overseas); 112 cases of asymptomatic infection in medical observation (84 cases imported overseas).
A total of 1928 confirmed cases were reported from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan. Among them, there were 1431 cases in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (1197 cases of discharge and 7 deaths), 46 cases in the Macau Special Administrative Region (45 cases of discharge), and 451 cases in Taiwan (438 discharges and 7 deaths).
From the official website of the National Health and Health Commission. http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202007/93c41cbce0664608b8119e7d295b4a5b.shtml
Official Mexican government website.
https://coronavirus.gob.mx/datos/
Interesting table of comorbidities. I haven’t seen that anywhere else. 20% with hypertension, 19% with obesity, 16% with diabetes.
Official Canadian government website.
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=tested#a2https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/tracking-every-case-of-covid-19-in-canada-1.4852102
Includes age distribution of hospitalization.
Official Brazil government website.
https://g1.globo.com/bemestar/coronavirus/noticia/2020/07/11/casos-e-mortes-por-coronavirus-no-brasil-em-11-de-julho-segundo-consorcio-de-veiculos-de-imprensa.ghtml
For India see
https://www.covid19india.org/
For UK see
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#category=utlas&map=case
PS. This does not mean no cases in Wales.
mollwollfumble said:
Official Mexican government website.
https://coronavirus.gob.mx/datos/
Interesting table of comorbidities. I haven’t seen that anywhere else. 20% with hypertension, 19% with obesity, 16% with diabetes.Official Canadian government website.
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=tested#a2https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/tracking-every-case-of-covid-19-in-canada-1.4852102
Includes age distribution of hospitalization.Official Brazil government website.
https://g1.globo.com/bemestar/coronavirus/noticia/2020/07/11/casos-e-mortes-por-coronavirus-no-brasil-em-11-de-julho-segundo-consorcio-de-veiculos-de-imprensa.ghtmlFor India see
https://www.covid19india.org/For UK see
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#category=utlas&map=case
PS. This does not mean no cases in Wales.
Quite interesting that the Covid hotspots in the UK are Manchester – Liverpool – Sheffield – Blackpool.
Not London, which has got off relatively lightly, and cities there in general fare no worse than the countryside.
mollwollfumble said:
Quite interesting that the Covid hotspots in the UK are Manchester – Liverpool – Sheffield – Blackpool.
Not London, which has got off relatively lightly, and cities there in general fare no worse than the countryside.
Londoners keep their distance, pandemic or not.
273 new cases in Vic.
sibeen said:
273 new cases in Vic.
RUOK?
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
Quite interesting that the Covid hotspots in the UK are Manchester – Liverpool – Sheffield – Blackpool.
Not London, which has got off relatively lightly, and cities there in general fare no worse than the countryside.
Londoners keep their distance, pandemic or not.
There was a time when I was so sick in London that I was lying in the rain in a central city street while passing pedestrians were literally stepping over me. Eventually someone stopped to offer assistance – an Australian.
Chart of number of cases around the world.
Only three countries are claiming to have no cases: North Korea, Djibouti and Turkmenistan.
South Africa has got very much worse very suddenly. Now has 216,000 cases. Even the UK has only 285,000 cases.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
273 new cases in Vic.
RUOK?
Massive increase in the number of testing stations in Melbourne.
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
Quite interesting that the Covid hotspots in the UK are Manchester – Liverpool – Sheffield – Blackpool.
Not London, which has got off relatively lightly, and cities there in general fare no worse than the countryside.
Londoners keep their distance, pandemic or not.
There was a time when I was so sick in London that I was lying in the rain in a central city street while passing pedestrians were literally stepping over me. Eventually someone stopped to offer assistance – an Australian.
Chart of number of cases around the world.
Only three countries are claiming to have no cases: North Korea, Djibouti and Turkmenistan.
South Africa has got very much worse very suddenly. Now has 216,000 cases. Even the UK has only 285,000 cases.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
273 new cases in Vic.
RUOK?
Massive increase in the number of testing stations in Melbourne.
I see Victoria has been omitted from the chart.
> South Africa has got very much worse very suddenly. Now has 216,000 cases. Even the UK has only 285,000 cases.
Oops, old data. South Africa has 264,000 cases. UK has 289,000.
mollwollfumble said:
> South Africa has got very much worse very suddenly. Now has 216,000 cases. Even the UK has only 285,000 cases.Oops, old data. South Africa has 264,000 cases. UK has 289,000.
Another correction. Although Turkmenistan and North Korea and denying the existence of any cases, Djibouti has been very forthcoming. So I don’t know why it was missing from the map.
Djibouti
4968 cases
56 deaths
4689 recoveries
World map of deaths. Iran is not looking like a good place to be.
PNG is encouraging.
mollwollfumble said:
World map of deaths. Iran is not looking like a good place to be.
PNG is encouraging.
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
World map of deaths. Iran is not looking like a good place to be.
PNG is encouraging.
Qld yesterday
And we wait in trepidation to see what the Southerners bring with them…
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
World map of deaths. Iran is not looking like a good place to be.
PNG is encouraging.
Qld yesterdayAnd we wait in trepidation to see what the Southerners bring with them…
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
273 new cases in Vic.
RUOK?
and it’s a weekend so… fk
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:RUOK?
Massive increase in the number of testing stations in Melbourne.
I see Victoria has been omitted from the chart.
And everyone forgets about Tasmania.
PermeateFree said:
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:Massive increase in the number of testing stations in Melbourne.
I see Victoria has been omitted from the chart.
And everyone forgets about Tasmania.
they don’t have cases, like NZ, so what’s the point
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
World map of deaths. Iran is not looking like a good place to be.
PNG is encouraging.
Qld yesterdayAnd we wait in trepidation to see what the Southerners bring with them…
Well Victorian school holidays are finished.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Tamb said:I see Victoria has been omitted from the chart.
And everyone forgets about Tasmania.
they don’t have cases, like NZ, so what’s the point
The map is done by country. Whether they like it or not, Tasmania is part of Australia.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:And everyone forgets about Tasmania.
they don’t have cases, like NZ, so what’s the point
The map is done by country. Whether they like it or not, Tasmania is part of Australia.
Was a joke people.
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:they don’t have cases, like NZ, so what’s the point
The map is done by country. Whether they like it or not, Tasmania is part of Australia.
Was a joke people.
but nobody knows any more these days, that’s the kind of thing USSA presidents say
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:The map is done by country. Whether they like it or not, Tasmania is part of Australia.
Was a joke people.
but nobody knows any more these days, that’s the kind of thing USSA presidents say
Apparently we have a moat.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/victorian-hospital-worker-coronavirus-cases-raise-fears/12447024
We’d better not let Mr buffy see this. You can see the steam come out of his ears if you mention hospital staff wearing their scrubs outside the facility. I can see his point. If you want to keep your hospitals clean, street clothes should not be worn inside by staff, and scrubs should not be worn outside to pick up bugs and bring them in. He’s been simmering about this for months.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/victorian-hospital-worker-coronavirus-cases-raise-fears/12447024We’d better not let Mr buffy see this. You can see the steam come out of his ears if you mention hospital staff wearing their scrubs outside the facility. I can see his point. If you want to keep your hospitals clean, street clothes should not be worn inside by staff, and scrubs should not be worn outside to pick up bugs and bring them in. He’s been simmering about this for months.
seems silly though, hospitals are full of nasty bugs, you probably want to bring in normal environmental ones to dilute them out a bit
“We are definitely at a crossroads in New South Wales,” she said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/coronavirus-nsw-sydney-crossroads-hotel-worker-tests-postive/12446828
A third COVID-19 case has emerged from a busy pub in south-west Sydney, with an 18-year-old male staff member testing positive. A woman in her 30s and a man in his 50s tested positive after visiting the pub on July 3. The male patron has since been linked to three positive cases among members of his household in the Blue Mountains.
NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said about 600 people visited the hotel on July 3. The staff member was also working that night and worked “subsequent days” at the pub, Dr Chant said.
It was not believed the staff member was the “definitive source” of the outbreak and there were no links to Victorian cases, she said. So maybe it came from elsewhere but not the gloating, oh the gloating.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/victorian-hospital-worker-coronavirus-cases-raise-fears/12447024We’d better not let Mr buffy see this. You can see the steam come out of his ears if you mention hospital staff wearing their scrubs outside the facility. I can see his point. If you want to keep your hospitals clean, street clothes should not be worn inside by staff, and scrubs should not be worn outside to pick up bugs and bring them in. He’s been simmering about this for months.
seems silly though, hospitals are full of nasty bugs, you probably want to bring in normal environmental ones to dilute them out a bit
And of course there is the other direction, staff taking bugs home on their scrubs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise-as-home-school-learning-confirm/12446896
In another brilliant move, Victoria makes everyone happy by choosing the best of both worlds. Sensible people recommending school closures will be pleased to hear that Year 11 and Year 12 students will be right back at each other, mingling, sharing bottles, kissing, and otherwise engaging in discretionary indiscretions in and around classrooms. Insensible people advancing the line that “humans in lower age groups are less susceptible to, less symptomatic with, and less likely to transmit COVID-19” will rejoice in the awareness that the younger cohorts (Prep to Year 10) will actually be directed to stay at home!
Victoria has recorded another 273 cases of coronavirus in the state and one death, and the Government has confirmed prep to year 10 students who attend school in locked-down areas will return to home learning from July 20. The Premier acknowledged the return to home learning would be challenging for many parents but said there was “simply no alternative”. Year 11 and 12 students, year 10 students doing VCE subjects and children at specialist schools will resume face-to-face learning for term three from tomorrow. Obviously the “no alternative” meant “go back to school”.
There are now 57 Victorians with coronavirus in hospital, including 16 people in intensive care.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-12/victorian-hospital-worker-coronavirus-cases-raise-fears/12447024We’d better not let Mr buffy see this. You can see the steam come out of his ears if you mention hospital staff wearing their scrubs outside the facility. I can see his point. If you want to keep your hospitals clean, street clothes should not be worn inside by staff, and scrubs should not be worn outside to pick up bugs and bring them in. He’s been simmering about this for months.
seems silly though, hospitals are full of nasty bugs, you probably want to bring in normal environmental ones to dilute them out a bit
And of course there is the other direction, staff taking bugs home on their scrubs.
well we wouldn’t want to hug any hospital workers leaving a shift in their scrubs, that’s true enough
Under the Government’s changes, within a designated area, police will also be able to direct a person to remove a face covering if it is being worn to hide their identity or to stop the effects of capsicum spray.
This is from 2017 but it has just been brought to my attention.
dv said:
Under the Government’s changes, within a designated area, police will also be able to direct a person to remove a face covering if it is being worn to hide their identity or to stop the effects of capsicum spray.This is from 2017 but it has just been brought to my attention.
Can’t have them wasting capsicum spray.
Wonder if there’s a stuffed capsicum spray.
Only just gone eight of the clock but I’m going to bed with a cosy book.
If anyone wants me, tell them: “He’s gone to bed with a cosy book, you’ll have to make a proper appointment through the official channels, at a sensible hour.”
dv said:
Under the Government’s changes, within a designated area, police will also be able to direct a person to remove a face covering if it is being worn to hide their identity or to stop the effects of capsicum spray.This is from 2017 but it has just been brought to my attention.
Non-compliance could easily result in getting shot, because by wearing a mask you’re taking their only non-lethal distance weapon off the table. Yikes.
Bubblecar said:
Wonder if there’s a stuffed capsicum spray.
It’s pepper spray. Goes pretty well on pizza, apparently.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Under the Government’s changes, within a designated area, police will also be able to direct a person to remove a face covering if it is being worn to hide their identity or to stop the effects of capsicum spray.This is from 2017 but it has just been brought to my attention.
Non-compliance could easily result in getting shot, because by wearing a mask you’re taking their only non-lethal distance weapon off the table. Yikes.
The Vic cops had to shoot a bloke on the Monash Freeway a couple of weeks ago because the non-lethal alternatives (which included a ‘bean bag’ round, because somebody had time to get a shotty) didn’t work. :-(
Rule 303 said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Under the Government’s changes, within a designated area, police will also be able to direct a person to remove a face covering if it is being worn to hide their identity or to stop the effects of capsicum spray.This is from 2017 but it has just been brought to my attention.
Non-compliance could easily result in getting shot, because by wearing a mask you’re taking their only non-lethal distance weapon off the table. Yikes.
The Vic cops had to shoot a bloke on the Monash Freeway a couple of weeks ago because the non-lethal alternatives (which included a ‘bean bag’ round, because somebody had time to get a shotty) didn’t work. :-(
told them not to learn from Hong Kong but here we are
Might even hit 13 million cases within the next couple of hours. That would be 1 million new cases in around about 3 days.
test saturation
https://twitter.com/saveswedencov19/status/1281560066764812288
Menindee’s tourism chief says “hundreds” of Victorians have been in his town in the last several weeks, while an Indigenous group in Wilcannia says tourists are still stopping there despite signs asking them to stay away.
I’ll warrant that the same has been happening in other towns out in the sticks. I noticed that many of the cars in the Aldi carpark while I was there on Saturday, had Victorian numberplates.
roughbarked said:
Menindee’s tourism chief says “hundreds” of Victorians have been in his town in the last several weeks, while an Indigenous group in Wilcannia says tourists are still stopping there despite signs asking them to stay away.I’ll warrant that the same has been happening in other towns out in the sticks. I noticed that many of the cars in the Aldi carpark while I was there on Saturday, had Victorian numberplates.
Refugees. Got out before the border closed.
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
Menindee’s tourism chief says “hundreds” of Victorians have been in his town in the last several weeks, while an Indigenous group in Wilcannia says tourists are still stopping there despite signs asking them to stay away.I’ll warrant that the same has been happening in other towns out in the sticks. I noticed that many of the cars in the Aldi carpark while I was there on Saturday, had Victorian numberplates.
Refugees. Got out before the border closed.
Fair enough but were they tested?
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
Menindee’s tourism chief says “hundreds” of Victorians have been in his town in the last several weeks, while an Indigenous group in Wilcannia says tourists are still stopping there despite signs asking them to stay away.I’ll warrant that the same has been happening in other towns out in the sticks. I noticed that many of the cars in the Aldi carpark while I was there on Saturday, had Victorian numberplates.
Refugees. Got out before the border closed.
Fair enough but were they tested?
LOL
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:Refugees. Got out before the border closed.
Fair enough but were they tested?
LOL
We can laugh now.
https://1funny.com/the-america-i-grew-up-in-2-jeff-allen/
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
Menindee’s tourism chief says “hundreds” of Victorians have been in his town in the last several weeks, while an Indigenous group in Wilcannia says tourists are still stopping there despite signs asking them to stay away.I’ll warrant that the same has been happening in other towns out in the sticks. I noticed that many of the cars in the Aldi carpark while I was there on Saturday, had Victorian numberplates.
Refugees. Got out before the border closed.
Fair enough but were they tested?
Be a bit careful what you say…
Casula Planet Fitness gym member contracts coronavirus
A member of the Planet Fitness gym at Casula has been identified as contracting COVID-19 and the gym has closed.
The gym said the member was last at the club on Friday, and staff were in self-isolation as recommended by their doctor.
It said all areas of the club were being disinfected and members were encouraged to follow NSW Health guidelines to prevent the spread of the virus.
Meanwhile, a federal MP has gone into isolation after dining at a Sydney hotel linked to nine coronavirus cases, including an 18-year-old staff member.
NSW Health has broadened its advice around the outbreak at the Crossroads Hotel in Casula, south-west Sydney, urging anyone who visited the pub between July 3 and 10 to self-isolate and get tested
REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/sydney-news-morning-briefing-monday-july-13/12447266
Nsw be rooned like vic if this recent outburst isn’t contained.
It’s all about proximity. It’s the secret weapon of the respiratory viruses.
poikilotherm said:
Nsw be rooned like vic if this recent outburst isn’t contained.
Looking a bit scary, yeah.
buffy said:
It’s all about proximity. It’s the secret weapon of the respiratory viruses.
We should have embiggened the border with Victoria ;)
On the radio this morning they said human trials of a vaccine were starting today in Qld. Paid volunteers are being given two doses a fortnight apart.
Divine Angel said:
On the radio this morning they said human trials of a vaccine were starting today in Qld. Paid volunteers are being given two doses a fortnight apart.
If successful they are geared up to produce 100 mill doses by the end of the year.
buffy said:
It’s all about proximity. It’s the secret weapon of the respiratory viruses.
And time.
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
It’s all about proximity. It’s the secret weapon of the respiratory viruses.We should have embiggened the border with Victoria ;)
When are we going to get a great big wall?
The Rev Dodgson said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
It’s all about proximity. It’s the secret weapon of the respiratory viruses.We should have embiggened the border with Victoria ;)
When are we going to get a great big wall?
Gladys has been trying to get on to Trump all day.
I see another million cases on the score board.
USA almost 60,000 on a Sunday and India almost on 30,000.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see another million cases on the score board.USA almost 60,000 on a Sunday and India almost on 30,000.
Disney land in Florida also opened, so there is some good news.
Oh, btw, there was an additional 15k cases diagnosed in Florida yesterday.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see another million cases on the score board.USA almost 60,000 on a Sunday and India almost on 30,000.
Disney land in Florida also opened, so there is some good news.
So you’re on team virus now. Might as well get with the strength.
“I for one welcome our new viral overlords.”
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200601134608.htm
Are Pauline and Clive still taking their state governments to the High Court re-open borders? Because that would be f’n hilarious!
Have they tested the air in the corridors, lifts, staircases, at the housing complex ?
If it spreads over 4 meters or more being airborne then its easy to see more infections occurring.
Rule 303 said:
Are Pauline and Clive still taking their state governments to the High Court re-open borders? Because that would be f’n hilarious!
There should be a class case to take Pauline and Clive to the High Court for being stupid, reckless, unfriendly, unproductive and for being a waste of time.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Rule 303 said:
Are Pauline and Clive still taking their state governments to the High Court re-open borders? Because that would be f’n hilarious!
There should be a class case to take Pauline and Clive to the High Court for being stupid, reckless, unfriendly, unproductive and for being a waste of time.
be careful what you wish for.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Rule 303 said:
Are Pauline and Clive still taking their state governments to the High Court re-open borders? Because that would be f’n hilarious!
There should be a class case to take Pauline and Clive to the High Court for being stupid, reckless, unfriendly, unproductive and for being a waste of time.
I left out inept and hopeless.
Rule 303 said:
Are Pauline and Clive still taking their state governments to the High Court re-open borders? Because that would be f’n hilarious!
I thought Clive’s case had already been quietly dropped, after some early noises.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Photoshopped
Anyway, 13 million cases. 3 and a bit days for the last million.
The Florida Department of Health has reported at least 15,299 new Covid-19 cases, the highest number of new cases in a single day by any state since the coronavirus pandemic began.
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html
Damn.
And Sunday is usually a slow reporting day
dv said:
The Florida Department of Health has reported at least 15,299 new Covid-19 cases, the highest number of new cases in a single day by any state since the coronavirus pandemic began.
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html
Damn.
And Sunday is usually a slow reporting day
on the same day they let Disney reopen the theme park.
party_pants said:
dv said:
The Florida Department of Health has reported at least 15,299 new Covid-19 cases, the highest number of new cases in a single day by any state since the coronavirus pandemic began.
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html
Damn.
And Sunday is usually a slow reporting day
on the same day they let Disney reopen the theme park.
Yeah, yeah, that was the good news.
party_pants said:
dv said:
The Florida Department of Health has reported at least 15,299 new Covid-19 cases, the highest number of new cases in a single day by any state since the coronavirus pandemic began.
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html
Damn.
And Sunday is usually a slow reporting day
on the same day they let Disney reopen the theme park.
Thank god. Book me in. the disney parks are so overcrowded normally that i wouldn’t go near them. Best time to go.
sibeen said:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200601134608.htm
That’s a bit der…corona virus infections do usually happen in winter.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200601134608.htm
That’s a bit der…corona virus infections do usually happen in winter.
And yet the USA is in high summer and running infection records.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
The Florida Department of Health has reported at least 15,299 new Covid-19 cases, the highest number of new cases in a single day by any state since the coronavirus pandemic began.
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/12/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html
Damn.
And Sunday is usually a slow reporting day
on the same day they let Disney reopen the theme park.
Yeah, yeah, that was the good news.
Wouldn’t that be a Saturday number. They are only just starting on Sunday.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:on the same day they let Disney reopen the theme park.
Yeah, yeah, that was the good news.
Wouldn’t that be a Saturday number. They are only just starting on Sunday.
Well that’s not quite correct. It’s 11:45 pm on Sunday in New York.
But more to the point, worldometer’s reporting cycle closes at midnight, GMT.
There is something about those addresses, can’t quite put my finger on it…
>>Police fined 13 people at an apartment in Docklands, 10 at an apartment in South Wharf and eight at an apartment in Southbank.<<
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-rise-by-177/12448420
(I’m waiting for the snowfields to explode)
buffy said:
There is something about those addresses, can’t quite put my finger on it…>>Police fined 13 people at an apartment in Docklands, 10 at an apartment in South Wharf and eight at an apartment in Southbank.<<
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-rise-by-177/12448420
(I’m waiting for the snowfields to explode)
I suppose you’d need to be more familiar with Melbourne than I am to get that joke.
dv said:
buffy said:
There is something about those addresses, can’t quite put my finger on it…>>Police fined 13 people at an apartment in Docklands, 10 at an apartment in South Wharf and eight at an apartment in Southbank.<<
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-rise-by-177/12448420
(I’m waiting for the snowfields to explode)
I suppose you’d need to be more familiar with Melbourne than I am to get that joke.
Dockland and South Bank apartment buildings are at the opposite end of the financial spectrum to the housing commission buildings that have been put in lockdown.
well 177 is better than yesterday right, not good, but better
it is weekend number though
sibeen said:
dv said:
buffy said:
There is something about those addresses, can’t quite put my finger on it…>>Police fined 13 people at an apartment in Docklands, 10 at an apartment in South Wharf and eight at an apartment in Southbank.<<
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-rise-by-177/12448420
(I’m waiting for the snowfields to explode)
I suppose you’d need to be more familiar with Melbourne than I am to get that joke.
Dockland and South Bank apartment buildings are at the opposite end of the financial spectrum to the housing commission buildings that have been put in lockdown.
you know who else had it ? That celebrity doctor who complained that he was being excoriated for breaching isolation after he got himself tested, who had some singer daughter
and Eastern Sydney Privileged Rich remember that
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I suppose you’d need to be more familiar with Melbourne than I am to get that joke.
Dockland and South Bank apartment buildings are at the opposite end of the financial spectrum to the housing commission buildings that have been put in lockdown.
you know who else had it ? That celebrity doctor who complained that he was being excoriated for breaching isolation after he got himself tested, who had some singer daughter
and Eastern Sydney Privileged Rich remember that
not necessarily surprising of course, but then doesn’t quite match these
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australia-s-vaccination-rates-rise-but-not-in-this-melbourne-area-20181023-p50bh5.html
For your consideration:
June, Victoria:
Rule 303 said:
June, Victoria:
Interesting age group sizing (by years): 30 / 13 / 19 / >65
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I suppose you’d need to be more familiar with Melbourne than I am to get that joke.
Dockland and South Bank apartment buildings are at the opposite end of the financial spectrum to the housing commission buildings that have been put in lockdown.
you know who else had it ? That celebrity doctor who complained that he was being excoriated for breaching isolation after he got himself tested, who had some singer daughter
and Eastern Sydney Privileged Rich remember that
You know I am not someone who wants to wish another person dead, but I would go as far as to wish that Pete Evans catches Covid-19 and is taken right to the shores of the Styx.
Dark Orange said:
For your consideration:
I posted that yesterday. I was fascinated by the number being sort of stuck on 0.3% positives. Especially as the criteria for testing are broader in Victoria. I think.
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:For your consideration:
I posted that yesterday. I was fascinated by the number being sort of stuck on 0.3% positives. Especially as the criteria for testing are broader in Victoria. I think.
I missed your post – but a lot has happened since this data was compiled, it will be interesting to see the data for the last 2 weeks, for instance.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-nsw-cases-grow-crossroads-hotel-cluster-increases/12448342
Sydney’s The Star casino has confirmed a patron who attended the venue this month has tested positive for coronavirus, amid concern about NSW’s growing number of infections. Star Entertainment Group said the casino was cleaned daily, and had not been shut down.
NSW confirmed 14 new coronavirus infections, including four new cases linked to a growing cluster at the Crossroads Hotel in Sydney’s south west. The Picton Hotel has now also been closed, after one person who contracted COVID-19 at the Crossroads Hotel visited three times while infectious. Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles said the hotel was a hub for travellers and truck drivers transporting freight interstate. “The hotel is a busy stopover for many travellers, so it is very likely that there are a number of Queenslanders who have been there during this period,” he said.
12 Australian Defence Force personnel are in isolation at a Wagga Wagga Air Force base, after attending the Crossroads Hotel.
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buffy said:
Dark Orange said:For your consideration:
I posted that yesterday. I was fascinated by the number being sort of stuck on 0.3% positives. Especially as the criteria for testing are broader in Victoria. I think.
The way some states count tests and the way the national centre counts test differs.
COVID-19 Open Research Dataset The Semantic Scholar team at the Allen Institute for AI has partnered with leading research groups to provide CORD-19, a free resource of more than 130,000 scholarly articles about the novel coronavirus for use by the global research community.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/cord19
2019 Novel Coronavirus Research Compendium (NCRC)
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/
COVID-19 Open Research Dataset Challenge (CORD-19)
https://www.kaggle.com/allen-institute-for-ai/CORD-19-research-challenge/tasks
COVID-19 Kaggle community contributions
https://www.kaggle.com/covid-19-contributions
SciSight is a tool for exploring the evolving network of science in the COVID-19 Open Research Dataset, from Semantic Scholar at the Allen Institute for AI.
https://scisight.apps.allenai.org/
30-year-old dies after attending ‘Covid party’ in Texas
Patient said: ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not’, according to health official
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas
sarahs mum said:
30-year-old dies after attending ‘Covid party’ in TexasPatient said: ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not’, according to health official
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas
If god doesn’t protect us our gernz will
sarahs mum said:
30-year-old dies after attending ‘Covid party’ in TexasPatient said: ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not’, according to health official
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas
Wonder if that phrase will go down in history as one bit of sense in the madness?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
30-year-old dies after attending ‘Covid party’ in TexasPatient said: ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not’, according to health official
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas
Wonder if that phrase will go down in history as one bit of sense in the madness?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
30-year-old dies after attending ‘Covid party’ in TexasPatient said: ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not’, according to health official
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas
Wonder if that phrase will go down in history as one bit of sense in the madness?
if alcohol involved, could ask if it’s an immune system dysruptor, and intelligence dysruptor also
transition said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
30-year-old dies after attending ‘Covid party’ in TexasPatient said: ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not’, according to health official
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas
Wonder if that phrase will go down in history as one bit of sense in the madness?
if alcohol involved, could ask if it’s an immune system dysruptor, and intelligence dysruptor also
Didn’t things like measles and mumps parties use to take place so all the children got it at the same time.
Cymek said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:Wonder if that phrase will go down in history as one bit of sense in the madness?
if alcohol involved, could ask if it’s an immune system dysruptor, and intelligence dysruptor also
Didn’t things like measles and mumps parties use to take place so all the children got it at the same time.
Measles was a hoax.
sarahs mum said:
30-year-old dies after attending ‘Covid party’ in TexasPatient said: ‘I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not’, according to health official
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas
I read the link. Given what we have just been looking at this afternoon, our testing in Australia is throwing up 0.3% positives, an interesting observation from that link is:
>>Appleby said in her filmed comments at the weekend that she had been spurred to reveal the case after seeing a “concerning” rise in infections. She said 22% of tests were revealing a case of Covid-19, up from just 5% a few weeks ago.<<
Even their 5% “a few weeks ago” is way higher than our 0.3%.
Cymek said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:Wonder if that phrase will go down in history as one bit of sense in the madness?
if alcohol involved, could ask if it’s an immune system dysruptor, and intelligence dysruptor also
Didn’t things like measles and mumps parties use to take place so all the children got it at the same time.
Not in my experience. We just used the classrooms. It wasn’t intentional. And that’s how colds spread around too. In primary school someone would pick up a cold and inside a week most of the grade would have it. And those that hadn’t weren’t going to get that one. And generally the originator had siblings in other grades, so it would spread through. I reckon there were times when the absentee rate over the whole school may well have been 50% or more. Plus some teachers. In high school the spread was a bit different because you changed classes every period. But it still spread around the school fairly quickly. We do know how these things happen.
Rule 303 said:
June, Victoria:
Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
June, Victoria:
Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
transition said:if alcohol involved, could ask if it’s an immune system dysruptor, and intelligence dysruptor also
Didn’t things like measles and mumps parties use to take place so all the children got it at the same time.
Not in my experience. We just used the classrooms. It wasn’t intentional. And that’s how colds spread around too. In primary school someone would pick up a cold and inside a week most of the grade would have it. And those that hadn’t weren’t going to get that one. And generally the originator had siblings in other grades, so it would spread through. I reckon there were times when the absentee rate over the whole school may well have been 50% or more. Plus some teachers. In high school the spread was a bit different because you changed classes every period. But it still spread around the school fairly quickly. We do know how these things happen.
what about chicken pox
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
June, Victoria:
Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
Older = wiser?
I’m thinking it’s more along the lines of the majority of deaths are in older people so younger ones feel immortal.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Didn’t things like measles and mumps parties use to take place so all the children got it at the same time.
Not in my experience. We just used the classrooms. It wasn’t intentional. And that’s how colds spread around too. In primary school someone would pick up a cold and inside a week most of the grade would have it. And those that hadn’t weren’t going to get that one. And generally the originator had siblings in other grades, so it would spread through. I reckon there were times when the absentee rate over the whole school may well have been 50% or more. Plus some teachers. In high school the spread was a bit different because you changed classes every period. But it still spread around the school fairly quickly. We do know how these things happen.
what about chicken pox
I got the pox from kids in my class, no parties. The week before Christmas holidays. Mum got me a Charlie Chocolate Crackles colouring in book and painted my skin with calamine lotion.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Didn’t things like measles and mumps parties use to take place so all the children got it at the same time.
Not in my experience. We just used the classrooms. It wasn’t intentional. And that’s how colds spread around too. In primary school someone would pick up a cold and inside a week most of the grade would have it. And those that hadn’t weren’t going to get that one. And generally the originator had siblings in other grades, so it would spread through. I reckon there were times when the absentee rate over the whole school may well have been 50% or more. Plus some teachers. In high school the spread was a bit different because you changed classes every period. But it still spread around the school fairly quickly. We do know how these things happen.
what about chicken pox
Same. All those things. We had them all. I had pneumonia complications with German measles.
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Not in my experience. We just used the classrooms. It wasn’t intentional. And that’s how colds spread around too. In primary school someone would pick up a cold and inside a week most of the grade would have it. And those that hadn’t weren’t going to get that one. And generally the originator had siblings in other grades, so it would spread through. I reckon there were times when the absentee rate over the whole school may well have been 50% or more. Plus some teachers. In high school the spread was a bit different because you changed classes every period. But it still spread around the school fairly quickly. We do know how these things happen.
what about chicken pox
I got the pox from kids in my class, no parties. The week before Christmas holidays. Mum got me a Charlie Chocolate Crackles colouring in book and painted my skin with calamine lotion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
June, Victoria:
Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
Older = wiser?
This might be pertinent here…I offer, without comment…(REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria-testing/12447528)
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21 cases in Crossroads Hotel cluster
The COVID-19 cluster connected with Sydney’s Crossroads Hotel has grown to 21.
Another three people are believed to have contracted the virus from the hotel, along with four of their close contacts, and a woman in her 50s who is considered a “tertiary” case. (She contracted COVID-19 from one of the close contacts, not directly from a hotel case).
The 8 new cases include:
A South-western Sydney man in his 40s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney woman in her 20s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney man in his 30s who attended the hotel on 4 July
Two teenagers who are close contacts of people who caught COVID from the hotel
A child who is also a close contact
A South-western Sydney man in his 20s who is also a close contact
The woman in her 50s who is a “tertiary” case.
In total, 10 people have contracted coronavirus from the Crossroads Hotel, 10 people have been diagnosed after having close contact with the hotel cases, and a further one person has caught the virus from a close contact.
buffy said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
Older = wiser?This might be pertinent here…I offer, without comment…(REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria-testing/12447528)
——————————————————————————————————————
21 cases in Crossroads Hotel cluster
The COVID-19 cluster connected with Sydney’s Crossroads Hotel has grown to 21.
Another three people are believed to have contracted the virus from the hotel, along with four of their close contacts, and a woman in her 50s who is considered a “tertiary” case. (She contracted COVID-19 from one of the close contacts, not directly from a hotel case).
The 8 new cases include:
A South-western Sydney man in his 40s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney woman in her 20s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney man in his 30s who attended the hotel on 4 July
Two teenagers who are close contacts of people who caught COVID from the hotel
A child who is also a close contact
A South-western Sydney man in his 20s who is also a close contact
The woman in her 50s who is a “tertiary” case.
In total, 10 people have contracted coronavirus from the Crossroads Hotel, 10 people have been diagnosed after having close contact with the hotel cases, and a further one person has caught the virus from a close contact.
Perhaps the manager was faulty
buffy said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
Older = wiser?This might be pertinent here…I offer, without comment…(REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria-testing/12447528)
——————————————————————————————————————
21 cases in Crossroads Hotel cluster
The COVID-19 cluster connected with Sydney’s Crossroads Hotel has grown to 21.
Another three people are believed to have contracted the virus from the hotel, along with four of their close contacts, and a woman in her 50s who is considered a “tertiary” case. (She contracted COVID-19 from one of the close contacts, not directly from a hotel case).
The 8 new cases include:
A South-western Sydney man in his 40s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney woman in her 20s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney man in his 30s who attended the hotel on 4 July
Two teenagers who are close contacts of people who caught COVID from the hotel
A child who is also a close contact
A South-western Sydney man in his 20s who is also a close contact
The woman in her 50s who is a “tertiary” case.
In total, 10 people have contracted coronavirus from the Crossroads Hotel, 10 people have been diagnosed after having close contact with the hotel cases, and a further one person has caught the virus from a close contact.
was just going to post that
so instead we’ll advance
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/queensland-victorians-fined-24k-for-lying-on-border-declaration/12448546
A group of people has been fined a total of more than $24,000 after lying on border declaration forms while trying to enter Queensland on Saturday. Police said the six people had been trying to cross the border in a minivan and told officers they had been working in New South Wales for the past three weeks. But evidence uncovered on their phones showed the group had in fact been in a coronavirus hotspot in Victoria in the past fortnight.
Police said the group had made an earlier attempt to enter Queensland on July 2 but were turned back.
“So those young people now have hefty fines they now have to pay.” “These people wilfully have decided to do false declaration simply to come into Queensland to do what they wanted to do, so in my view that’s a completely selfish approach,” he said.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Tamb said:Older = wiser?
This might be pertinent here…I offer, without comment…(REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria-testing/12447528)
——————————————————————————————————————
21 cases in Crossroads Hotel cluster
The COVID-19 cluster connected with Sydney’s Crossroads Hotel has grown to 21.
Another three people are believed to have contracted the virus from the hotel, along with four of their close contacts, and a woman in her 50s who is considered a “tertiary” case. (She contracted COVID-19 from one of the close contacts, not directly from a hotel case).
The 8 new cases include:
A South-western Sydney man in his 40s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney woman in her 20s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney man in his 30s who attended the hotel on 4 July
Two teenagers who are close contacts of people who caught COVID from the hotel
A child who is also a close contact
A South-western Sydney man in his 20s who is also a close contact
The woman in her 50s who is a “tertiary” case.
In total, 10 people have contracted coronavirus from the Crossroads Hotel, 10 people have been diagnosed after having close contact with the hotel cases, and a further one person has caught the virus from a close contact.
Perhaps the manager was faulty
Perhaps people should take a bit of responsibility and do the distancing for themselves.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Tamb said:Older = wiser?
This might be pertinent here…I offer, without comment…(REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria-testing/12447528)
——————————————————————————————————————
21 cases in Crossroads Hotel cluster
The COVID-19 cluster connected with Sydney’s Crossroads Hotel has grown to 21.
Another three people are believed to have contracted the virus from the hotel, along with four of their close contacts, and a woman in her 50s who is considered a “tertiary” case. (She contracted COVID-19 from one of the close contacts, not directly from a hotel case).
The 8 new cases include:
A South-western Sydney man in his 40s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney woman in her 20s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney man in his 30s who attended the hotel on 4 July
Two teenagers who are close contacts of people who caught COVID from the hotel
A child who is also a close contact
A South-western Sydney man in his 20s who is also a close contact
The woman in her 50s who is a “tertiary” case.
In total, 10 people have contracted coronavirus from the Crossroads Hotel, 10 people have been diagnosed after having close contact with the hotel cases, and a further one person has caught the virus from a close contact.
Perhaps the manager was faulty
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:This might be pertinent here…I offer, without comment…(REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria-testing/12447528)
——————————————————————————————————————
In total, 10 people have contracted coronavirus from the Crossroads Hotel, 10 people have been diagnosed after having close contact with the hotel cases, and a further one person has caught the virus from a close contact.
Perhaps the manager was faulty
Perhaps people should take a bit of responsibility and do the distancing for themselves.
^
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:This might be pertinent here…I offer, without comment…(REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria-testing/12447528)
——————————————————————————————————————
21 cases in Crossroads Hotel cluster
The COVID-19 cluster connected with Sydney’s Crossroads Hotel has grown to 21.
Another three people are believed to have contracted the virus from the hotel, along with four of their close contacts, and a woman in her 50s who is considered a “tertiary” case. (She contracted COVID-19 from one of the close contacts, not directly from a hotel case).
The 8 new cases include:
A South-western Sydney man in his 40s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney woman in her 20s who attended the hotel on 3 July
A South-western Sydney man in his 30s who attended the hotel on 4 July
Two teenagers who are close contacts of people who caught COVID from the hotel
A child who is also a close contact
A South-western Sydney man in his 20s who is also a close contact
The woman in her 50s who is a “tertiary” case.
In total, 10 people have contracted coronavirus from the Crossroads Hotel, 10 people have been diagnosed after having close contact with the hotel cases, and a further one person has caught the virus from a close contact.
Perhaps the manager was faulty
Is close contact a euphemism?
I shouldn’t think so. Sharing a house would be plenty.
buffy said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the manager was faulty
Is close contact a euphemism?I shouldn’t think so. Sharing a house would be plenty.
Enough to make cyb ill
Tamb said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the manager was faulty
Is close contact a euphemism?
only if you’re a security guard
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Tamb said:Is close contact a euphemism?
I shouldn’t think so. Sharing a house would be plenty.
Enough to make cyb ill
buffy said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the manager was faulty
Is close contact a euphemism?I shouldn’t think so. Sharing a house would be plenty.
apparently sharing a gym or choir for 5 minutes should be enough
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the manager was faulty
Perhaps people should take a bit of responsibility and do the distancing for themselves.
^
I suggested previously that these new lockdowns were harder to enforce and relied upon people to “do the right thing”. It has become apparent now that many people can not/will not do that…
Tamb said:
he’ll get a Darwin Award.
Can the Darwin award be awarded to an entire country?
Dark Orange said:
Tamb said:
he’ll get a Darwin Award.Can the Darwin award be awarded to an entire country?
Dark Orange said:
Tamb said:
he’ll get a Darwin Award.Can the Darwin award be awarded to an entire country?
Sweden?
Brazil?
Dark Orange said:
Tamb said:
he’ll get a Darwin Award.Can the Darwin award be awarded to an entire country?
Yes, but only in extreme circumstances. The premise for winning the award is based upon the recipient being removed from the gene pool, either through death or sterilisation. I can see no reason why a group cannot be awarded a mention, but a whole nation is going a bit to extremes because even if there are just a handful of breeders left it disqualifies them from getting the award.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
Tamb said:
he’ll get a Darwin Award.Can the Darwin award be awarded to an entire country?
Yes, but only in extreme circumstances. The premise for winning the award is based upon the recipient being removed from the gene pool, either through death or sterilisation. I can see no reason why a group cannot be awarded a mention, but a whole nation is going a bit to extremes because even if there are just a handful of breeders left it disqualifies them from getting the award.
yeah, it’s been bastardised a bit to just mean dying through stupidity…
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Perhaps people should take a bit of responsibility and do the distancing for themselves.
^
I suggested previously that these new lockdowns were harder to enforce and relied upon people to “do the right thing”. It has become apparent now that many people can not/will not do that…
what’s the correct solution though, should we be going Full Sweden, or should we be treating everyone like darker-skinned people in DPRNA, or what
“New guidance by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 40 percent of people infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic and the chance of transmission from people with no symptoms is 75 percent.”
https://www.sciencealert.com/40-of-people-with-covid-19-don-t-have-symptoms-latest-cdc-estimate-says
Michael V said:
“New guidance by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 40 percent of people infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic and the chance of transmission from people with no symptoms is 75 percent.”https://www.sciencealert.com/40-of-people-with-covid-19-don-t-have-symptoms-latest-cdc-estimate-says
I guess that mean 75% of transmissions are from asymptomatic carriers?
Regrettable food:
captain_spalding said:
Regrettable food:
hollandaise sauce is really tricky to get exactly right.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
Regrettable food:
hollandaise sauce is really tricky to get exactly right.
I’m still more puzzled by the other two in combination. Sort of thing you’d have to be really skint or really drunk to try cooking together.
captain_spalding said:
Regrettable food:
Cooked bananas accompanying savoury dishes was big in the 60s.
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:
Tamb said:
he’ll get a Darwin Award.Can the Darwin award be awarded to an entire country?
Sweden?
Brazil?
UK?
USA?
mollwollfumble said:
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:Can the Darwin award be awarded to an entire country?
Sweden?
Brazil?
UK?
USA?
The UK isn’t a country.
The USA is a bit like Australia. The states can, and do, their own thing completely independent of the President. So whilst the country taken as a whole may be screwed there can be individual segments which are OK. It’s also the lack of central decision making that makes it hard to give it the prize as it really is 50 disparate entities in this case.
sibeen said:
The UK isn’t a country.
I’m sure we would be willing to limit the nomination to just England
dv said:
sibeen said:The UK isn’t a country.
I’m sure we would be willing to limit the nomination to just England
Sure, why not :)
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
sibeen said:Sweden?
Brazil?
UK?
USA?
The UK isn’t a country.
The USA is a bit like Australia. The states can, and do, their own thing completely independent of the President. So whilst the country taken as a whole may be screwed there can be individual segments which are OK. It’s also the lack of central decision making that makes it hard to give it the prize as it really is 50 disparate entities in this case.
Digging down into the figures for the USA can be a bit funny. The governor of New York was given all sorts of kudos for his response to the virus. If you treated New York state as a country it would be second on the worldwide table for number of cases per million people, second only to Qatar which is way out in front.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:UK?
USA?
The UK isn’t a country.
The USA is a bit like Australia. The states can, and do, their own thing completely independent of the President. So whilst the country taken as a whole may be screwed there can be individual segments which are OK. It’s also the lack of central decision making that makes it hard to give it the prize as it really is 50 disparate entities in this case.
Digging down into the figures for the USA can be a bit funny. The governor of New York was given all sorts of kudos for his response to the virus. If you treated New York state as a country it would be second on the worldwide table for number of cases per million people, second only to Qatar which is way out in front.
He gets no kudos from me
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
sibeen said:Sweden?
Brazil?
UK?
USA?
The UK isn’t a country.
The USA is a bit like Australia. The states can, and do, their own thing completely independent of the President. So whilst the country taken as a whole may be screwed there can be individual segments which are OK. It’s also the lack of central decision making that makes it hard to give it the prize as it really is 50 disparate entities in this case.
What definition of country are you using? Just because the UK has largely a centralised unitary form of government doesn’t mean it’s not a country. Devolution is a very recent thing anyway.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/verrender-youth-hardest-hit-coronavirus-recession-unemployment/12447466
Recessions punish our youth and the coronavirus downturn is no different
Historically, we’ve always measured recessions in terms of growth, or the lack of it. But growth is a poor measure of economic health. Firstly, it ignores the human tragedy, the enormous personal and societal cost in terms of wealth, health and relationships and the havoc that is wreaked by long-term unemployment.
But secondly, and more important really, we could go barking at the economic and employment shrub all day. Imagine if we had tried successfully to eradicate a highly infectious, highly lethal, highly complicated infectious disease, thereby saving human lives, personal connections, societal stability, AND economic confidence! Imagine the cost to wealth, health and relationships if we did that! Imagine how many people would still be employed if we achieved eradication so we didn’t have to have rolling restrictions (or alternatively systemic collapse due to uncontrolled infection)!
SCIENCE said:
Well, good, serve them right for partying and spreading COVID-19 around not caring how it might affect others!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/verrender-youth-hardest-hit-coronavirus-recession-unemployment/12447466
Recessions punish our youth and the coronavirus downturn is no different
Historically, we’ve always measured recessions in terms of growth, or the lack of it. But growth is a poor measure of economic health. Firstly, it ignores the human tragedy, the enormous personal and societal cost in terms of wealth, health and relationships and the havoc that is wreaked by long-term unemployment.
But secondly, and more important really, we could go barking at the economic and employment shrub all day. Imagine if we had tried successfully to eradicate a highly infectious, highly lethal, highly complicated infectious disease, thereby saving human lives, personal connections, societal stability, AND economic confidence! Imagine the cost to wealth, health and relationships if we did that! Imagine how many people would still be employed if we achieved eradication so we didn’t have to have rolling restrictions (or alternatively systemic collapse due to uncontrolled infection)!
Eradication in NZ for instance is still a work in progress. A travel bubble with most of Australia would inevitably lead to local cases unless Australia was also virus-free and no one is suggesting that only regions without cases at all be part of the bubble. In short eradication is a temporary fix with long term vigilance in tracking and treating inevitable outbreaks the way forward.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Well, good, serve them right for partying and spreading COVID-19 around not caring how it might affect others!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/verrender-youth-hardest-hit-coronavirus-recession-unemployment/12447466
Recessions punish our youth and the coronavirus downturn is no different
Historically, we’ve always measured recessions in terms of growth, or the lack of it. But growth is a poor measure of economic health. Firstly, it ignores the human tragedy, the enormous personal and societal cost in terms of wealth, health and relationships and the havoc that is wreaked by long-term unemployment.
But secondly, and more important really, we could go barking at the economic and employment shrub all day. Imagine if we had tried successfully to eradicate a highly infectious, highly lethal, highly complicated infectious disease, thereby saving human lives, personal connections, societal stability, AND economic confidence! Imagine the cost to wealth, health and relationships if we did that! Imagine how many people would still be employed if we achieved eradication so we didn’t have to have rolling restrictions (or alternatively systemic collapse due to uncontrolled infection)!
Eradication in NZ for instance is still a work in progress. A travel bubble with most of Australia would inevitably lead to local cases unless Australia was also virus-free and no one is suggesting that only regions without cases at all be part of the bubble. In short eradication is a temporary fix with long term vigilance in tracking and treating inevitable outbreaks the way forward.
like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Well, good, serve them right for partying and spreading COVID-19 around not caring how it might affect others!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/verrender-youth-hardest-hit-coronavirus-recession-unemployment/12447466
Recessions punish our youth and the coronavirus downturn is no different
Historically, we’ve always measured recessions in terms of growth, or the lack of it. But growth is a poor measure of economic health. Firstly, it ignores the human tragedy, the enormous personal and societal cost in terms of wealth, health and relationships and the havoc that is wreaked by long-term unemployment.
But secondly, and more important really, we could go barking at the economic and employment shrub all day. Imagine if we had tried successfully to eradicate a highly infectious, highly lethal, highly complicated infectious disease, thereby saving human lives, personal connections, societal stability, AND economic confidence! Imagine the cost to wealth, health and relationships if we did that! Imagine how many people would still be employed if we achieved eradication so we didn’t have to have rolling restrictions (or alternatively systemic collapse due to uncontrolled infection)!
Eradication in NZ for instance is still a work in progress. A travel bubble with most of Australia would inevitably lead to local cases unless Australia was also virus-free and no one is suggesting that only regions without cases at all be part of the bubble. In short eradication is a temporary fix with long term vigilance in tracking and treating inevitable outbreaks the way forward.
like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
And in English?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Eradication in NZ for instance is still a work in progress. A travel bubble with most of Australia would inevitably lead to local cases unless Australia was also virus-free and no one is suggesting that only regions without cases at all be part of the bubble. In short eradication is a temporary fix with long term vigilance in tracking and treating inevitable outbreaks the way forward.
like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
And in English?
like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
And in English?
like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
SCIENCE, just a comment on your posts when you use a larger type in a garish red/pink. I appreciate you wish to draw attention to the importance of the post, but to me they are very distracting to both the heading and the content, so rarely do I fully read either. Might I suggest that you use the standard text in your heading, perhaps in bold, which will make it easier to read and not distract from the content of the post.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
June, Victoria:
Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
Older = wiser?
Having lived longer, wisdom accrues.
Divine Angel said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:Guess which groups are partying and which group is not.
Older = wiser?I’m thinking it’s more along the lines of the majority of deaths are in older people so younger ones feel immortal.
They are always bullet proof at that age and fun is eveything. Until their friends start dying.
They simply haven’t yet learned how to make their own fun.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
And in English?
like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
SARS was only contagious once people were showing symptoms. That is not the cases with this bug so it is not a good example of how to tackle this virus.
So the US daily infection numbers have been rising for the last 3 weeks now:
The death rate generally lags the infection rate by 2 weeks, and last week saw a slight rise in the number of deaths:
The next couple of weeks will see a significant rise in the number of fatalities.
https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-disease-with-1-mortality-shut-down-the-United-States/answer/Franklin-Veaux
If all those people at the Crossroads Hotel were wearing masks they wouldn’t be spreading it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
If all those people at the Crossroads Hotel were wearing masks they wouldn’t be spreading it.
Can they make masks mandatory at high density places
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If all those people at the Crossroads Hotel were wearing masks they wouldn’t be spreading it.Can they make masks mandatory at high density places
Maybe all people on holidays should get tested.
1918, Spanish Flu. “Wear A Mask or Go To Jail”.
Vic has 270 new cases today.
Fnerk…
Rule 303 said:
Vic has 270 new cases today.Fnerk…
Stage 4 here we come.
Rule 303 said:
Vic has 270 new cases today.Fnerk…
Worldometer shows 184 for Australia Yesterday and 13 today.
Where does the 270 come from?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Rule 303 said:
Vic has 270 new cases today.Fnerk…
Worldometer shows 184 for Australia Yesterday and 13 today.
Where does the 270 come from?
Just announced by the Premier.
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
Vic has 270 new cases today.Fnerk…
Stage 4 here we come.
There’s a pandemic response plan. You might recall me talking about it back in March. I don’t think anyone could have anticipated the broad lack of compliance that we’ve seen.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Rule 303 said:
Vic has 270 new cases today.Fnerk…
Worldometer shows 184 for Australia Yesterday and 13 today.
Where does the 270 come from?
The Vic Coronavirus Update, currently being delivered by our Premier, Andrews.
They’re assigning soldiers to ambulance crews.
dv said:
John Lewis is a department store. I had to look that up.
sibeen said:
dv said:
John Lewis is a department store. I had to look that up.
Last night I dreamt I was walking through a department store, a very confusing place. Absolutely choked with all kinds of products most of which were heavily shop-soiled. I was trying to reach the second floor where I had a flat in the same building but I couldn’t find the correct route. Embarrassing because I wasn’t wearing anything on my lower half, just holding a damp towel around my loins.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
John Lewis is a department store. I had to look that up.
Last night I dreamt I was walking through a department store, a very confusing place. Absolutely choked with all kinds of products most of which were heavily shop-soiled. I was trying to reach the second floor where I had a flat in the same building but I couldn’t find the correct route. Embarrassing because I wasn’t wearing anything on my lower half, just holding a damp towel around my loins.
Yeah, we’ve all had that dream.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-disease-with-1-mortality-shut-down-the-United-States/answer/Franklin-Veaux
Succint.
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:John Lewis is a department store. I had to look that up.
Last night I dreamt I was walking through a department store, a very confusing place. Absolutely choked with all kinds of products most of which were heavily shop-soiled. I was trying to reach the second floor where I had a flat in the same building but I couldn’t find the correct route. Embarrassing because I wasn’t wearing anything on my lower half, just holding a damp towel around my loins.
Yeah, we’ve all had that dream.
I don’t think I’ve ever dreamed about Car’s toweled loins…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:Last night I dreamt I was walking through a department store, a very confusing place. Absolutely choked with all kinds of products most of which were heavily shop-soiled. I was trying to reach the second floor where I had a flat in the same building but I couldn’t find the correct route. Embarrassing because I wasn’t wearing anything on my lower half, just holding a damp towel around my loins.
Yeah, we’ve all had that dream.
I don’t think I’ve ever dreamed about Car’s toweled loins…
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-disease-with-1-mortality-shut-down-the-United-States/answer/Franklin-Veaux
Succint.
Right now, Deaths make up about 10% of Resolved Cases in the US.
On average, his office is getting all the information it needs about a test result 11 days after the test is taken — far too late to make contact tracing worthwhile. He has been advising those in the area with virus symptoms to assume they are positive, since the tests take so long to come back.
“When we are receiving results back 14 days after the individual became symptomatic, it’s not useful at all,” Escott said.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/choke-point-for-us-coronavirus-response-the-fax-machine-20200714-p55bqk.html
…
Shit ehh…
dv said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-disease-with-1-mortality-shut-down-the-United-States/answer/Franklin-Veaux
Succint.
Right now, Deaths make up about 10% of Resolved Cases in the US.
I just had a look that up, and yeah, you’re right. Just under 1.7m resolved cases in the US, 140k resolved cases.
wow.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-disease-with-1-mortality-shut-down-the-United-States/answer/Franklin-Veaux
Succint.
but misguided, they claim that all that shit will fuck their economy, but with so many coffins to be sold and chronic diseases to be treated, their economy will sky-rocket ¡¡¡ it’ll be like magic, grow grow grow
Rule 303 said:
I don’t think anyone could have anticipated the broad lack of compliance that we’ve seen.
lol
Witty Rejoinder said:
SARS was only contagious once people were showing symptoms. That is not the cases with this bug so it is not a good example of how to tackle this virus.
hence how the ASIANS failed being more misguided than the others
I am looking for the first post-covid zombie movie, where the screenwriters mirror the way society really behave in a pandemic situation.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SARS was only contagious once people were showing symptoms. That is not the cases with this bug so it is not a good example of how to tackle this virus.
hence how the ASIANS failed being more misguided than the others
You’ll kindly point me to the nations whose previous experience with SARS helped them eradicate SARS-CoV-2.
Dark Orange said:
I am looking for the first post-covid zombie movie, where the screenwriters mirror the way society really behave in a pandemic situation.
Stephen Kings The Stand isn’t too bad in that some humans act stupidly but none of it was for economic reasons more panic
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SARS was only contagious once people were showing symptoms. That is not the cases with this bug so it is not a good example of how to tackle this virus.
hence how the ASIANS failed being more misguided than the others
You’ll kindly point me to the nations whose previous experience with SARS helped them eradicate SARS-CoV-2.
Most of them handled it quite well – Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea all performed extremely well at the start due to their previous experience with Sars.
Unfortunately, Singapore has leaky borders and migrant labour camps which didn’t help them medium term. The only country that has come close to eradicating it is NZ, who benefits from extreme isolation.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SARS was only contagious once people were showing symptoms. That is not the cases with this bug so it is not a good example of how to tackle this virus.
hence how the ASIANS failed being more misguided than the others
You’ll kindly point me to the nations whose previous experience with SARS helped them eradicate SARS-CoV-2.
You’re right, the original ended setting up A Foreign Import Reservoir because of idiots in the other nations that let things go out of control, what do you suggest, that the nations who achieve local control go and take over matters in the fucked up ones ¿
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:hence how the ASIANS failed being more misguided than the others
You’ll kindly point me to the nations whose previous experience with SARS helped them eradicate SARS-CoV-2.
Most of them handled it quite well – Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea all performed extremely well at the start due to their previous experience with Sars.
Unfortunately, Singapore has leaky borders and migrant labour camps which didn’t help them medium term. The only country that has come close to eradicating it is NZ, who benefits from extreme isolation.
Ah, so as we suggest, the problem isn’t incubating periods, it’s foreign stupidity. Knew it!
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:hence how the ASIANS failed being more misguided than the others
You’ll kindly point me to the nations whose previous experience with SARS helped them eradicate SARS-CoV-2.
You’re right, the original ended setting up A Foreign Import Reservoir because of idiots in the other nations that let things go out of control, what do you suggest, that the nations who achieve local control go and take over matters in the fucked up ones ¿
Is that what I said?
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Dark Orange said:Witty Rejoinder said:You’ll kindly point me to the nations whose previous experience with SARS helped them eradicate SARS-CoV-2.
Most of them handled it quite well – Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea all performed extremely well at the start due to their previous experience with Sars.
Unfortunately, Singapore has leaky borders and migrant labour camps which didn’t help them medium term. The only country that has come close to eradicating it is NZ, who benefits from extreme isolation.Ah, so as we suggest, the problem isn’t incubating periods, it’s foreign stupidity. Knew it!
Good point.
Santa Clara County meeting that exposed 40 principals to coronavirus raises red flags
News that more than 40 Santa Clara principals and other district officials were exposed to the coronavirus when they met inside weeks ago prompted county officials to question Thursday the wisdom of such a large in-person gathering.
County officials said that the seemingly unnecessary gathering was “a lesson for other government agencies.”
The incident raises questions about how seriously some public officials are taking the pandemic, even as cases are spiking across Bay Area counties, including Santa Clara. Public health officials have urged people to avoid in-person meetings with those not in their homes and to wear masks at all times. It’s unclear why the district’s meeting was not held via video conference.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/More-than-40-Bay-Area-school-principals-in-15381335.php
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And in English?
like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
SCIENCE, just a comment on your posts when you use a larger type in a garish red/pink. I appreciate you wish to draw attention to the importance of the post, but to me they are very distracting to both the heading and the content, so rarely do I fully read either. Might I suggest that you use the standard text in your heading, perhaps in bold, which will make it easier to read and not distract from the content of the post.
Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
SCIENCE, just a comment on your posts when you use a larger type in a garish red/pink. I appreciate you wish to draw attention to the importance of the post, but to me they are very distracting to both the heading and the content, so rarely do I fully read either. Might I suggest that you use the standard text in your heading, perhaps in bold, which will make it easier to read and not distract from the content of the post.
Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
Expert highlights how exceptional Sydney is compared to Melbourne mistakes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
I hereby voice my support for SCIENCE’s choice of heading style.
might we add the words
weedeh licket
(1)
(2)
There’s also news of USSA states backing down their “reopen” directives in the light of hospitals “starting to” be overwhelmed — this should be an astounding 2 weeks coming up.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:like what happened with SARS The Original ah well eradication might mean minimal “community” videlicet local source unknown transmission but hey whatever stops the boats
SCIENCE, just a comment on your posts when you use a larger type in a garish red/pink. I appreciate you wish to draw attention to the importance of the post, but to me they are very distracting to both the heading and the content, so rarely do I fully read either. Might I suggest that you use the standard text in your heading, perhaps in bold, which will make it easier to read and not distract from the content of the post.
Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
Expert highlights how exceptional Sydney is compared to Melbourne mistakes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
OK…a large proportion of transmission is within household. Masks at all times, even at home with family? I’m not sure I’ve seen that suggested anywhere.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:SCIENCE, just a comment on your posts when you use a larger type in a garish red/pink. I appreciate you wish to draw attention to the importance of the post, but to me they are very distracting to both the heading and the content, so rarely do I fully read either. Might I suggest that you use the standard text in your heading, perhaps in bold, which will make it easier to read and not distract from the content of the post.
Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
Expert highlights how exceptional Sydney is compared to Melbourne mistakes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
OK…a large proportion of transmission is within household. Masks at all times, even at home with family? I’m not sure I’ve seen that suggested anywhere.
I think it would not get high levels of compliance.
dv said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
Expert highlights how exceptional Sydney is compared to Melbourne mistakes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
OK…a large proportion of transmission is within household. Masks at all times, even at home with family? I’m not sure I’ve seen that suggested anywhere.
I think it would not get high levels of compliance.
I wouldn’t think it would get any general compliance.
dv said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
Expert highlights how exceptional Sydney is compared to Melbourne mistakes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
OK…a large proportion of transmission is within household. Masks at all times, even at home with family? I’m not sure I’ve seen that suggested anywhere.
I think it would not get high levels of compliance.
truth
and we mean, we might be unusual in the way we chill at home with our families, but even with full mask compliance at home with family, we would doubt transmission would be avoided
the preexisting ideas of limitation of closed spaces to “1 (or 2) persons, unless from same household” seems reasonable, in treating the entire household as a unit
the Melbourne issue may relate to claims (we cannot verify from here) that family household-hopping did the spreading
Queensland Government will introduce jail time for people caught lying about their movements while attempting to cross the border. Queensland Government will pass new laws to enforce a six-month jail term for the offence of breaching a public health declaration.
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”
I went to The Crossroads Hotel once… I nearly died
One would hope that people who have tested positive are doing some kind of isolation from their fam, esp the elderly.
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”
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I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Ian said:
I went to The Crossroads Hotel once… I nearly died
I’ve found myself at many crossroads at hotels…
Ian said:
I went to The Crossroads Hotel once… I nearly died
Were you wearing the same outfit as your BFF?
dv said:
One would hope that people who have tested positive are doing some kind of isolation from their fam, esp the elderly.
It’s interesting stuff. We’re usually pretty risk averse, as a society. We wear our seatbelts and give up smoking and go to the doctor and fit smoke alarms to our houses…. But this…
dv said:
One would hope that people who have tested positive are doing some kind of isolation from their fam, esp the elderly.
But then there are those people who complain about not being able to visit their elderly relatives who are dying of COVID-19 in a nursing home, it’s a difficult situation.
furious said:
Ian said:
I went to The Crossroads Hotel once… I nearly diedWere you wearing the same outfit as your BFF?
That’s sexist!
.
I may have been drinking the same poison.. at least earlier in the all day session.. vats of gin
shudder
We wear our seatbelts and give up smoking and go to the doctor and fit smoke alarms to our houses
—
Not to make a gross generalisation
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:SCIENCE, just a comment on your posts when you use a larger type in a garish red/pink. I appreciate you wish to draw attention to the importance of the post, but to me they are very distracting to both the heading and the content, so rarely do I fully read either. Might I suggest that you use the standard text in your heading, perhaps in bold, which will make it easier to read and not distract from the content of the post.
Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
Expert highlights how exceptional Sydney is compared to Melbourne mistakes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
I hereby voice my support for SCIENCE’s choice of heading style.
I second it, I like it. We should all make our posts a little more readable with headings and subheadings.
For the context to post ID 1589442 we read this and were inspired.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/israel-coronavirus-covid-19-second-wave-has-hit/12426164
By Middle East correspondent Eric Tlozek and Fouad Abu Gosh so we cannot speak for any vested interests they may have in schools opening or closing, like us.
After weeks of harsh lockdowns that put one million people out of work, Mr Netanyahu was in a hurry to restart Israel’s economy. So Israelis returned to work, to beaches, to gyms and, critically, to school. It was the last move particularly that proved to be a deadly mistake. In a country where classes have between 30-40 children, experts have blamed the full reopening of schools for a second wave.
“When you put youngsters in such a dense situation — and for one week they allowed them without masks — you are seeking trouble,” said Professor Gabi Barbash, who is a public health specialist at Israel’s Weizmann Institute. “And now the trouble is here.
Israel, a country of just 9.2 million, is now recording up to 1,500 new COVID-19 cases every day. Israel — along with the United States and Russia — has been placed on a list of “red” countries by the European Union
Israel had touted itself as an early leader in managing the coronavirus. It had even proposed being included in Australia’s safe travel bubble and began preparing to reopen for tourists. Its travel bans and lockdowns in March and April suppressed new cases to just 16 per day by mid-May. But it is claimed they came at an enormous economic cost.
Jewish ultra-orthodox suburbs — which are considered Israel’s densest and poorest — have the highest concentration of cases. There have also been outbreaks in Arab-Israeli areas,
With many Palestinians depending on work in Israel for their livelihoods — and having been pushed into poverty by the first round of restrictions — lengthy closures are no longer an option. It has meant health authorities now have fewer ways to control this resurgence.
Professor Barbash doubts Israel will be able to contain the coronavirus again. “I think we have lost the advantage that we had when we first controlled the outbreak,” he said. “We have lost the possibility to … totally control, to eradicate the epidemic and we will have to live with that.”
The epidemiologist in charge of public health, Siegal Sadetzki, ended up quitting, saying the Government was not listening to her. “The achievements in dealing with the first wave were cancelled out by the broad and swift opening of the economy,” she said.
Prime Minister has been accused of being focused on other issues, such as his attempt to annex parts of the Palestinian territories in the West Bank. Mr Netanyahu is also facing the resumption of his trial for corruption offences, another potential distraction.
Israelis realised their economic sacrifices during the first wave were in vain. “I think we have paid an enormous economic and social price on what was achieved here,” Professor Barbash said. “And we have destructed that value.”
Arts said:
I second it, I like it. We should all make our posts a little more readable with headings and subheadings.
Good idea
Ian said:
I went to The Crossroads Hotel once… I nearly died
First place I ever ate a mixed grill. Long time ago now.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
One would hope that people who have tested positive are doing some kind of isolation from their fam, esp the elderly.
It’s interesting stuff. We’re usually pretty risk averse, as a society. We wear our seatbelts and give up smoking and go to the doctor and fit smoke alarms to our houses…. But this…
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
One would hope that people who have tested positive are doing some kind of isolation from their fam, esp the elderly.
But then there are those people who complain about not being able to visit their elderly relatives who are dying of COVID-19 in a nursing home, it’s a difficult situation.
I mean at least wear a mask or something.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:I second it, I like it. We should all make our posts a little more readable with headings and subheadings.
Good idea
As long as we don’t go overboard..
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1589466
Subject: re: Coronavirus July 13-19
For the context to post ID 1589442 we read this and were inspired.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/israel-coronavirus-covid-19-second-wave-has-hit/12426164
Israelis ‘have fun’ after lockdowns ease into second wave
By Middle East correspondent Eric Tlozek and Fouad Abu Gosh so we cannot speak for any vested interests they may have in schools opening or closing, like us.
After weeks of harsh lockdowns that put one million people out of work, Mr Netanyahu was in a hurry to restart Israel’s economy. So Israelis returned to work, to beaches, to gyms and, critically, to school. It was the last move particularly that proved to be a deadly mistake. In a country where classes have between 30-40 children, experts have blamed the full reopening of schools for a second wave.
“When you put youngsters in such a dense situation — and for one week they allowed them without masks — you are seeking trouble,” said Professor Gabi Barbash, who is a public health specialist at Israel’s Weizmann Institute. “And now the trouble is here.
Israel, a country of just 9.2 million, is now recording up to 1,500 new COVID-19 cases every day. Israel — along with the United States and Russia — has been placed on a list of “red” countries by the European Union
Israel had touted itself as an early leader in managing the coronavirus. It had even proposed being included in Australia’s safe travel bubble and began preparing to reopen for tourists. Its travel bans and lockdowns in March and April suppressed new cases to just 16 per day by mid-May. But it is claimed they came at an enormous economic cost.
Jewish ultra-orthodox suburbs — which are considered Israel’s densest and poorest — have the highest concentration of cases. There have also been outbreaks in Arab-Israeli areas,
With many Palestinians depending on work in Israel for their livelihoods — and having been pushed into poverty by the first round of restrictions — lengthy closures are no longer an option. It has meant health authorities now have fewer ways to control this resurgence.
Professor Barbash doubts Israel will be able to contain the coronavirus again. “I think we have lost the advantage that we had when we first controlled the outbreak,” he said. “We have lost the possibility to … totally control, to eradicate the epidemic and we will have to live with that.”
The epidemiologist in charge of public health, Siegal Sadetzki, ended up quitting, saying the Government was not listening to her. “The achievements in dealing with the first wave were cancelled out by the broad and swift opening of the economy,” she said.
Prime Minister has been accused of being focused on other issues, such as his attempt to annex parts of the Palestinian territories in the West Bank. Mr Netanyahu is also facing the resumption of his trial for corruption offences, another potential distraction.
Israelis realised their economic sacrifices during the first wave were in vain. “I think we have paid an enormous economic and social price on what was achieved here,” Professor Barbash said. “And we have destructed that value.”
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Arts said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Sorry, we just casually used the <h3> and similar heading tags leveraging off the Forum HTML and Textile support but understand your concern and resolve to (if we remember) modify the formatting when possible.
Expert highlights how exceptional Sydney is compared to Melbourne mistakes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-clusters-melbourne-sydney-as-second-lockdown-looms/12449730
Infectious disease experts say Sydney can avoid a Melbourne-style second lockdown if it stops multiple clusters of community transmission through hard “ring fencing”, compulsory mask wearing and a renewed focus on social distancing. The main difference would be mask wearing because Melbourne already tried to limit spread in “hotspots” by applying ineffective local restrictions before caving to reality.
Australian National University infectious diseases physician Peter Collignon described the Crossroads Hotel outbreak as “worrying”. But, he said, a key trigger for too-late action in Sydney and across NSW would be multiple clusters of community transmission. “Inevitably, they will be looking to see if this is something we can ring fence, or are we in trouble because it is all through Sydney?” he said. “I actually don’t think get to that situation for a while in NSW.” That would have been all right if he was speaking 2 weeks ago.
Professor McLaws said. “You never know, they may have gone to and then could have gone anywhere.” “Sydney is at less risk than Melbourne. “And given that the numbers have been relatively low, I hope they will be able to control it.” She told the ABC last week the “magic number” of active cases of community transmission in NSW where authorities were so overwhelmed they could no longer do effective contact tracing was 100 cases over two incubation periods. She said NSW was not at that “tipping point” yet.
Hence it remains acceptable to be complacent as fuck and wait to see what happens in 2 weeks.
I hereby voice my support for SCIENCE’s choice of heading style.
I second it, I like it. We should all make our posts a little more readable with headings and subheadings.
That’s ok, just bright colours on a black background, to me not only distract, but dominate the page. Please feel free to do the same, then I shall be less tempted to read your posts too.
Michael V said:
Ian said:
I went to The Crossroads Hotel once… I nearly diedFirst place I ever ate a mixed grill. Long time ago now.
With gravy and buttered bread?
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Nice one
Likewise with post ID 1589443 we had this.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/california-reverses-relaxing-coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/12451966
California’s Governor has ordered a retreat from the state’s economic reopening as coronavirus cases soar, shutting bars and banning indoor restaurant dining statewide, while closing churches, gyms and hair salons in the hardest-hit counties. Gavin Newsom acted as COVID-19 cases strained hospitals in several rural counties and as infections mounted
Hospitalisations have increased 28 per cent over the past two weeks. “The data suggests not everybody is practicing common sense, and by that we should definitely be including their leaders,” said Mr Newsom, whose order took effect immediately.
ICU capacity is now limited south of 20 per cent capacity.
San Diego and Los Angeles, on Monday announced their students would start the school year with online learning only. President Donald Trump, seeking re-election in November, has demanded schools reopen nationwide for in-person learning in the US autumn. Despite nearly 28,000 new COVID-19 cases in the past two days, Florida announced no new measures such as a statewide mask mandate, and Disney World in Orlando remained open for business. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis called the state’s rise in cases “a blip” and told residents not to be alarmed.
Mr Newsom moved quickly to let most businesses reopen in May. Like other states that took similar steps, a subsequent rise in cases and hospitalisations led him to impose new restrictions this month. Mr Newsom has compared his strategy of opening and closing businesses to a “dimmer switch”, highlighting the flexibility needed as public health officials monitor the virus’s progress.
Because humans are herds and now they’re faucets as well, you can just turn the flow of economic activity on and off like a tap.
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:
I went to The Crossroads Hotel once… I nearly diedFirst place I ever ate a mixed grill. Long time ago now.
With gravy and buttered bread?
Yep.
ChrispenEvan said:
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
If A PermeateFree Posts In The Forum But Nobody Is There To Read It Does It Make Any Sense
SCIENCE said:
Because humans are herds and now they’re faucets as well, you can just turn the flow of economic activity on and off like a tap.
i’m a faucist
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
doesn’t it come from the penalty points definitions and the adjustment to inflation, fortunately The Economy Must Grow negatively in a recession so maybe they’ll be paying a smaller fine soon, that’ll get the borders opening
ChrispenEvan said:
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
Or if the content was of interest, and who cares about what you say anyway.
Ian said:
We wear our seatbelts and give up smoking and go to the doctor and fit smoke alarms to our houses—
Not to make a gross generalisation
We are way better at those things than most countries.
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
it is probably to do with penalty units.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
doesn’t it come from the penalty points definitions and the adjustment to inflation, fortunately The Economy Must Grow negatively in a recession so maybe they’ll be paying a smaller fine soon, that’ll get the borders opening
we agree.
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
If A PermeateFree Posts In The Forum But Nobody Is There To Read It Does It Make Any Sense
SCIENCE I posted to assist your presentation, if you disagree I don’t care, please yourself. I might be the only person here that find your headings distracting, but I very much doubt it.
ah yes units, that’s the word, apologies, we blame the physicists engineers
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
it is probably to do with penalty units.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/fines-and-penalties/types-of-fines/sentencing-fines-and-penalties-for-offences
30 of them, rounded.
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
Penalties in legislation are no longer set as dollar amounts, but as penalty points. And the dollar value of a penalty point is set using other legislation, so adjustments can be made to account for inflation etc, simply, and right across all legislation.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
Penalties in legislation are no longer set as dollar amounts, but as penalty points. And the dollar value of a penalty point is set using other legislation, so adjustments can be made to account for inflation etc, simply, and right across all legislation.
u nit
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
If A PermeateFree Posts In The Forum But Nobody Is There To Read It Does It Make Any Sense
SCIENCE I posted to assist your presentation, if you disagree I don’t care, please yourself. I might be the only person here that find your headings distracting, but I very much doubt it.
We adjusted the presentation, others agreed that your recommendation resulted in subsequent superior presentation, and we were all happy but why are you making it into a fight about something else ¿ If you were hoping to be of greater assistance you could for example contribute an evaluation of the fresh presentation style and guide any further improvements as appropriate, but we suppose we could all go out and misinterpret what other people say until the cows come home COVIDs immunise herd.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
Penalties in legislation are no longer set as dollar amounts, but as penalty points. And the dollar value of a penalty point is set using other legislation, so adjustments can be made to account for inflation etc, simply, and right across all legislation.
u nit
fair we smiled but better go and eat brb
SCIENCE said:
ah yes units, that’s the word, apologies, we blame thephysicistsengineers
And who was it who made the biggest and most famous units blunder of all time?
Not engineers.
Rocket SCIENTISTS, that’s who.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
Penalties in legislation are no longer set as dollar amounts, but as penalty points. And the dollar value of a penalty point is set using other legislation, so adjustments can be made to account for inflation etc, simply, and right across all legislation.
u nit
No, no I’m not. Well not often, anyway.
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
It’s 30 penalty units.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ah yes units, that’s the word, apologies, we blame thephysicistsengineers
And who was it who made the biggest and most famous units blunder of all time?
Not engineers.
Rocket SCIENTISTS, that’s who.
Metric, Imperial, Metric, Imperial…just choose a number that looks pretty on the drawings…
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Penalties in legislation are no longer set as dollar amounts, but as penalty points. And the dollar value of a penalty point is set using other legislation, so adjustments can be made to account for inflation etc, simply, and right across all legislation.
u nit
No, no I’m not. Well not often, anyway.
surely one might respond “we’re in stitches” or something
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
One would hope that people who have tested positive are doing some kind of isolation from their fam, esp the elderly.
It’s interesting stuff. We’re usually pretty risk averse, as a society. We wear our seatbelts and give up smoking and go to the doctor and fit smoke alarms to our houses…. But this…
There are still a number of people who don’t wear seatbelts.. and this is, what 40- 50 years after their introduction (I remember the old kingswood my dad had didn’t have rear seat seat belts.). And smoke alarms are fitted because of industry compliance, there has to be a whole campaign to get people to change batteries. Etc. the compliance and risk adversiveness works when someone else takes care of it.
Yes, yes… The tiny fractional exceptions always disprove the Rule.
;-)
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
It’s 30 penalty units.
Obviously, as someone who has never had a fine to pay, I have no idea at all how such things are worked out.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:If A PermeateFree Posts In The Forum But Nobody Is There To Read It Does It Make Any Sense
SCIENCE I posted to assist your presentation, if you disagree I don’t care, please yourself. I might be the only person here that find your headings distracting, but I very much doubt it.
We adjusted the presentation, others agreed that your recommendation resulted in subsequent superior presentation, and we were all happy but why are you making it into a fight about something else ¿ If you were hoping to be of greater assistance you could for example contribute an evaluation of the fresh presentation style and guide any further improvements as appropriate, but we suppose we could all go out and misinterpret what other people say until the
cows come homeCOVIDs immunise herd.
SCIENCE, you overestimate what you and several others here say, I simply don’t care! I don’t even care if you read my posts or not. It is quite obvious very few facts or comments are retained by anyone, so what does it matter.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
it is probably to do with penalty units.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/fines-and-penalties/types-of-fines/sentencing-fines-and-penalties-for-offences
30 of them, rounded.
Ah, LOL. I see we already got there.
:-)
Rule 303 said:
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:It’s interesting stuff. We’re usually pretty risk averse, as a society. We wear our seatbelts and give up smoking and go to the doctor and fit smoke alarms to our houses…. But this…
There are still a number of people who don’t wear seatbelts.. and this is, what 40- 50 years after their introduction (I remember the old kingswood my dad had didn’t have rear seat seat belts.). And smoke alarms are fitted because of industry compliance, there has to be a whole campaign to get people to change batteries. Etc. the compliance and risk adversiveness works when someone else takes care of it.Yes, yes… The tiny fractional exceptions always disprove the Rule.
;-)
The point is that people aren’t really risk adverse if it means they have to complete the action, but will compromise if someone else does it for them… if there wasn’t a penalty for wearing a seatbelt most people wouldn’t do it.. rather than the fact that they think about how their face might look if they get into an unrestrained accident.
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The maximum penalty is currently $4,003, but Mr Miles said it was not enough of a deterrent to stop people making false declarations. “Perhaps people from other states think they might get away without having to pay for it, perhaps people think that $4,000 is worth it to come to Queensland,” Mr Miles said. “I hope will demonstrate to the public how serious we are in enforcing these measures and just how serious it is that everyone complies with them.”—-
I think that extra three bucks will make a difference
Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
It’s 30 penalty units.
I think I have covered that about 30 minutes ago. and units not points bit. I also think my post about reading and quoting etc was pointed.
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
:-)
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
It’s 30 penalty units.
I think I have covered that about 30 minutes ago. and units not points bit. I also think my post about reading and quoting etc was pointed.
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
:-)
and just stirring.
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:Yes, Mr buffy and I noted that earlier today. It’s a strange number.
It’s 30 penalty units.
I think I have covered that about 30 minutes ago. and units not points bit. I also think my post about reading and quoting etc was pointed.
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
:-)
In case you did’t know Boris, but you are very small minded. Please try and lift yourself.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ah yes units, that’s the word, apologies, we blame thephysicistsengineers
And who was it who made the biggest and most famous units blunder of all time?
Not engineers.
Rocket SCIENTISTS, that’s who.
Metric, Imperial, Metric, Imperial…just choose a number that looks pretty on the drawings…
Realistically whilst the rocket people did make a stuff up in that case with the United States customary units being used instead of Système international (SI) the real stuff up was actually by NASA management who didn’t listen when controllers told them there were issues during the flight. The miscalculations should have been picked up during the mission. It’s due to this that NASA tool the fall for the fuck up.
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:
Arts said:There are still a number of people who don’t wear seatbelts.. and this is, what 40- 50 years after their introduction (I remember the old kingswood my dad had didn’t have rear seat seat belts.). And smoke alarms are fitted because of industry compliance, there has to be a whole campaign to get people to change batteries. Etc. the compliance and risk adversiveness works when someone else takes care of it.
Yes, yes… The tiny fractional exceptions always disprove the Rule.
;-)
The point is that people aren’t really risk adverse if it means they have to complete the action, but will compromise if someone else does it for them… if there wasn’t a penalty for wearing a seatbelt most people wouldn’t do it.. rather than the fact that they think about how their face might look if they get into an unrestrained accident.
And yet safety features much higher and more often in our decision matrices, our workplace representative organisations are very often concerned with safety, and the most common type of volunteerism in the country (which, of itself is much higher than most countries) is to public safety organisations. There is no penalty for not participating in any of these except being less safe.
Not forgetting, of course, that compliance only exists because governance exists because we, as a society, create it.
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:It’s 30 penalty units.
I think I have covered that about 30 minutes ago. and units not points bit. I also think my post about reading and quoting etc was pointed.
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
:-)
In case you did’t know Boris, but you are very small minded. Please try and lift yourself.
Remind me PF, have I told you to go fuck yourself today?
also if anyone remembers the old forum then they may recall that i just about always used to colour my replies to a quoted post.
I find this amusing:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/nsw-mechanics-switch-victorian-number-plates-border-closures/12453622
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:It’s 30 penalty units.
I think I have covered that about 30 minutes ago. and units not points bit. I also think my post about reading and quoting etc was pointed.
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
:-)
In case you did’t know Boris, but you are very small minded. Please try and lift yourself.
Remind me PF, have I told you to go fuck yourself today?
also if anyone remembers the old forum then they may recall that i just about always used to colour my replies to a quoted post.
i sometimes fuck the coding too.
;-)
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:I think I have covered that about 30 minutes ago. and units not points bit. I also think my post about reading and quoting etc was pointed.
as if we ever know who reads or doesn’t read our posts. even quoting someone doesn’t preclude the fact that one might not have read the post. and having read and quoted and answered can we be sure that it was understood?
:-)
In case you did’t know Boris, but you are very small minded. Please try and lift yourself.
Remind me PF, have I told you to go fuck yourself today?
also if anyone remembers the old forum then they may recall that i just about always used to colour my replies to a quoted post.
Same old rude and crude. Yes I do remember and I rarely read them. Did I miss anything?
Rule 303 said:
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:Yes, yes… The tiny fractional exceptions always disprove the Rule.
;-)
The point is that people aren’t really risk adverse if it means they have to complete the action, but will compromise if someone else does it for them… if there wasn’t a penalty for wearing a seatbelt most people wouldn’t do it.. rather than the fact that they think about how their face might look if they get into an unrestrained accident.
And yet safety features much higher and more often in our decision matrices, our workplace representative organisations are very often concerned with safety, and the most common type of volunteerism in the country (which, of itself is much higher than most countries) is to public safety organisations. There is no penalty for not participating in any of these except being less safe.
Not forgetting, of course, that compliance only exists because governance exists because we, as a society, create it.
Arts said:
Rule 303 said:
Arts said:The point is that people aren’t really risk adverse if it means they have to complete the action, but will compromise if someone else does it for them… if there wasn’t a penalty for wearing a seatbelt most people wouldn’t do it.. rather than the fact that they think about how their face might look if they get into an unrestrained accident.
And yet safety features much higher and more often in our decision matrices, our workplace representative organisations are very often concerned with safety, and the most common type of volunteerism in the country (which, of itself is much higher than most countries) is to public safety organisations. There is no penalty for not participating in any of these except being less safe.
Not forgetting, of course, that compliance only exists because governance exists because we, as a society, create it.
Well, that was a truly circular way to prove a point.
You’re welcome to borrow it whenever you need it.
The word on the street is Melbourne will go to stage 4 lockdown within 48 hours.
Dark Orange said:
The word on the street is Melbourne will go to stage 4 lockdown within 48 hours.
I’ve just successfully negotiated to move a large chunk of work on-line on the assumption of on-going restrictions.
Some of these flow-on effects are really starting to sting.
(not sting me personally, but…)
Hey-Zeuss!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-fears-over-krispy-kreme-doughnut-promotion/12454862
Michael V said:
Hey-Zeuss!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-fears-over-krispy-kreme-doughnut-promotion/12454862
NSW Police have branded a Krispy Kreme promotion as “nonsensical” as large groups of people queued for free doughnuts.
Nonsensical is not the word I would have used.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Hey-Zeuss!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-fears-over-krispy-kreme-doughnut-promotion/12454862
NSW Police have branded a Krispy Kreme promotion as “nonsensical” as large groups of people queued for free doughnuts.
Nonsensical is not the word I would have used.
People, hey!
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Hey-Zeuss!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-fears-over-krispy-kreme-doughnut-promotion/12454862
NSW Police have branded a Krispy Kreme promotion as “nonsensical” as large groups of people queued for free doughnuts.
Nonsensical is not the word I would have used.
People, hey!
Yeah look, KK aren’t really known for their brilliant marketing…
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:NSW Police have branded a Krispy Kreme promotion as “nonsensical” as large groups of people queued for free doughnuts.
Nonsensical is not the word I would have used.
People, hey!
Yeah look, KK aren’t really known for their brilliant marketing…
Or their hiring policy :)
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:NSW Police have branded a Krispy Kreme promotion as “nonsensical” as large groups of people queued for free doughnuts.
Nonsensical is not the word I would have used.
People, hey!
Yeah look, KK aren’t really known for their brilliant marketing…
And nor are people known for using common sense, I would say.
sibeen said:
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:People, hey!
Yeah look, KK aren’t really known for their brilliant marketing…
Or their hiring policy :)
I’ve met the store manager for that store. She’s a total bitch.
Oh, you were talking about me 😛
Dark Orange said:
The word on the street is Melbourne will go to stage 4 lockdown within 48 hours.
Yeah, I’ve heard some rumblings. I’m supposed to have a meeting in town Thursday morning but I suspect there’s a fair chance we won’t be able to hold it.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Hey-Zeuss!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/coronavirus-fears-over-krispy-kreme-doughnut-promotion/12454862
NSW Police have branded a Krispy Kreme promotion as “nonsensical” as large groups of people queued for free doughnuts.
Nonsensical is not the word I would have used.
Let’s face it, they are probably all going to die from heart attack before Covid-19 gets them
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/trump-and-fauci-at-odds-over-coronavirus-covid-19-response/12451962
Any non-Tasmanian residents who have spent time in Victoria in the 14 days prior to travel are not permitted to enter Tasmania and will be turned back at their own expense, unless an Essential Traveller.
This does not apply if travellers have transited directly through Victoria to an airport or seaport, other than stopping for fuel.
Tasmanian residents, including fly in fly out workers, who have spent time in Victoria in the 14 days prior to travel are now required to quarantine in government-provided accommodation. Tasmanian residents coming to Tasmania
from outside Victoria must still quarantine in their primary residence.
All other travellers to Tasmania must quarantine in government-provided accommodation for 14 days, unless other requirements are applied under their Essential Traveller status.
Dark Orange said:
The word on the street is Melbourne will go to stage 4 lockdown within 48 hours.
Clarification: …if the numbers don’t show improvement.
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:The word on the street is Melbourne will go to stage 4 lockdown within 48 hours.
Clarification: …if the numbers don’t show improvement.
I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:The word on the street is Melbourne will go to stage 4 lockdown within 48 hours.
Clarification: …if the numbers don’t show improvement.
I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
Unsure they’ve thought that far ahead.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:The word on the street is Melbourne will go to stage 4 lockdown within 48 hours.
Clarification: …if the numbers don’t show improvement.
I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:Clarification: …if the numbers don’t show improvement.
I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
GOVT: hmmmmnn… rubber bullets or real bullets … can’t quite make up our minds
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
GOVT: hmmmmnn… rubber bullets or real bullets … can’t quite make up our minds
Level 5 is Zombie Apocalypse.
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:Clarification: …if the numbers don’t show improvement.
I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
Stage Six is take all the pills you have.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
Stage Six is take all the pills you have.
Stage seven is raining lava from you know what.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
Stage Six is take all the pills you have.
Stage seven is raining lava from you know what.
I left out a few stages.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
Stage Six is take all the pills you have.
Stage seven is raining lava from you know what.
Stage eight is bureaucracy without relief.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:I can’t remember what all the different stages are. I gather stage 4 is the full monty one?
Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
So it’s more of a stage 2.5 ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
Stage Six is take all the pills you have.
Stage six is where the crappy local bands play…
I was under the impression that it worked backwards. Stage 1 was the full lockdown, and then stages 2 and 3 (and further) were gradual easing of restrictions.
furious said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
Stage Six is take all the pills you have.
Stage six is where the crappy local bands play…
Ok, stage 6.5 then.
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:Yep. We don’t even know what it is yet.
Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
So it’s more of a stage 2.5 ?
I think so. I’m regional, so we are not in the “Melbourne Bubble”. I guess I haven’t listened to the finest detail. I know Mum’s nursing home was locked down again and our accommodation place in Melbourne closed up again. I haven’t bothered to look more closely than that because I don’t intend to go there.
what about stage 11????
party_pants said:
I was under the impression that it worked backwards. Stage 1 was the full lockdown, and then stages 2 and 3 (and further) were gradual easing of restrictions.
Here is the Victorian stuff. We seem to count upwards. I don’t know if everyone is the same.
https://www.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions-victoria
ChrispenEvan said:
what about stage 11????
Jesus… Turn it up!
And heaps more Victorian detail here:
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/victorias-restriction-levels-covid-19
Having a look at the restrictions for the “Melbourne Bubble” it looks like it was as before except you can go fishing/golfing/swimming at the beach I think, which you weren’t allowed to do before.
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
So it’s more of a stage 2.5 ?
I think so. I’m regional, so we are not in the “Melbourne Bubble”. I guess I haven’t listened to the finest detail. I know Mum’s nursing home was locked down again and our accommodation place in Melbourne closed up again. I haven’t bothered to look more closely than that because I don’t intend to go there.
Eat-in restaurants have closed down again.
Half of school has closed down again, including all mrs m’s music teaching.
Tau.Neutrino said:
ChrispenEvan said:
what about stage 11????
Stage 11?
You guys are over-thinking it.
Go for the Irish system:
Stage 1: You can go out, but keep your distance.
Stage 2: You can only go out if you really need to.
Stage 3: You can’t go out at all.
Stage 4: You can’t go out at all, at all.
Ugh.
Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.
The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
mollwollfumble said:
Ugh.Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
https://youdontneedamask.com/
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ugh.Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
Also in terms of deaths/head of population the first eight are all European, and UK is no. 4 (although only Belgium has a higher death rate from countries with more than 1 million population.)
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ugh.Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
Ta. Didn’t know that.
But what do you think of this? According to the CDC, Covid-19 is strongly racist.
Hispanics have less then half (38%) of the mortality rate of whites.
Hawaiian natives have about a quarter of the mortality rate of whites.
Covid-19 is anti-white racist.
mollwollfumble said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ugh.Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
Ta. Didn’t know that.
But what do you think of this? According to the CDC, Covid-19 is strongly racist.
Hispanics have less then half (38%) of the mortality rate of whites.
Hawaiian natives have about a quarter of the mortality rate of whites.
Covid-19 is anti-white racist.
Well it’s certainly anti-pre-Boomer, and I imagine that has a much higher proportion of “white” people than the general population.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:Yeah, well, the present Stage 3 is not the same as the original Stage 3. It’s less stringent.
Stage Six is take all the pills you have.
Stage seven is raining lava from you know what.
I don’t know what. Fissures? Volcanoes? Undersea vents?
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ugh.Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
Also in terms of deaths/head of population the first eight are all European, and UK is no. 4 (although only Belgium has a higher death rate from countries with more than 1 million population.)
Yeah, I’m not really sure what happened in Belgium, not much Belgian politics/news comes my way.
Divine Angel said:
https://youdontneedamask.com/
LOL
mollwollfumble said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ugh.Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
Ta. Didn’t know that.
But what do you think of this? According to the CDC, Covid-19 is strongly racist.
Hispanics have less then half (38%) of the mortality rate of whites.
Hawaiian natives have about a quarter of the mortality rate of whites.
Covid-19 is anti-white racist.
Hard to know, unless you look at which parts of the community got infected first and how it spread. Could be that lower socio-economic groups have fewer people that live to a ripe old age to fall into the vulnerable category, or develop chronic conditions which tip them into the vulnerable category like heart disease and diabetes.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
https://youdontneedamask.com/
LOL
I was ready to unfriend the person who posted it on Facebook… glad I checked the site before doing anything rash!
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
https://youdontneedamask.com/
LOL
I was ready to unfriend the person who posted it on Facebook… glad I checked the site before doing anything rash!
More LOLs.
I wasn’t going to look, but I thought I’d better.
mollwollfumble said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ugh.Five of the top seven countries by number of cases are in the Americas.
USA, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Mexico.The only two odd ones out are India and Russia, both expected because of their large populations.
The worst in Europe is now down at number 8,
I wasn’t expecting that.
By deaths, though, the UK still ranks as number 3.
The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
Ta. Didn’t know that.
But what do you think of this? According to the CDC, Covid-19 is strongly racist.
Hispanics have less then half (38%) of the mortality rate of whites.
Hawaiian natives have about a quarter of the mortality rate of whites.
Covid-19 is anti-white racist.
~ 13.4% of the US is Black/African American. They are well over-represented among the deaths.
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
party_pants said:The UK’s death toll is because of the stuff-up they made in clearing out elderly patients from hospitals to care home to free up beds. This was done without testing the people for COVIDs before being moved, quite a few of them had it and it spread fast. The policy had the effect of directly seeding care homes with COVID, the very places which were supposed to be islands of refuge for the most vulnerable.
Ta. Didn’t know that.
But what do you think of this? According to the CDC, Covid-19 is strongly racist.
Hispanics have less then half (38%) of the mortality rate of whites.
Hawaiian natives have about a quarter of the mortality rate of whites.
Covid-19 is anti-white racist.Hard to know, unless you look at which parts of the community got infected first and how it spread. Could be that lower socio-economic groups have fewer people that live to a ripe old age to fall into the vulnerable category, or develop chronic conditions which tip them into the vulnerable category like heart disease and diabetes.
Also are those numbers USA, Americas, World, or what?
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:Ta. Didn’t know that.
But what do you think of this? According to the CDC, Covid-19 is strongly racist.
Hispanics have less then half (38%) of the mortality rate of whites.
Hawaiian natives have about a quarter of the mortality rate of whites.
Covid-19 is anti-white racist.Hard to know, unless you look at which parts of the community got infected first and how it spread. Could be that lower socio-economic groups have fewer people that live to a ripe old age to fall into the vulnerable category, or develop chronic conditions which tip them into the vulnerable category like heart disease and diabetes.
Also are those numbers USA, Americas, World, or what?
It was attributed to the CDC, so I assume it is just the USA only. They’ve got enough on their hands already without worrying about the rest of the world.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/looming-evictions-may-soon-make-28-million-homeless-expert-says.html
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/looming-evictions-may-soon-make-28-million-homeless-expert-says.html
at least they won’t be stuck indoors, apparently that’s how COVID-19 spreads the most, they’ll be fine outside
A health minister has told MPs that the first time he saw a government report which disclosed the UK’s lack of preparedness for a coronavirus pandemic was when he read about it in the Guardian.
Edward Argar, appearing before the public administration and constitutional affairs committee, was asked when he first read the findings of a report into Exercise Cygnus, a 2017 simulation of an influenza pandemic which forewarned the crisis in care homes.
The report, which concluded starkly that Britain was not adequately prepared for a flu-like pandemic’s “extreme demands”, was disclosed by the Guardian on 7 May.
Argar, who has been the minister of state for health since September 2019, said: “The first formal time I saw it was the leaked copy , but I had been briefed on the contents of the report and what was in it.” The report contained 26 key recommendations, including boosting the capacity of care homes and the numbers of staff available to work in them. It also warned of the challenge facing homes asked to take in patients from hospitals.
more
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/14/uk-health-minister-did-not-see-2017-pandemic-report-until-guardian-story
I wonder why New Mexico is doing okay. You can pretty much cut a swath of “fucked” from California to Florida except for NM.
dv said:
I wonder why New Mexico is doing okay. You can pretty much cut a swath of “fucked” from California to Florida except for NM.
Is that by cases/deaths or by cases/deaths per unit population?
New Mexico has a low population. Or see map below. Case count across the USA, from New York Times.
dv said:
I wonder why New Mexico is doing okay. You can pretty much cut a swath of “fucked” from California to Florida except for NM.
Is that by cases/deaths or by cases/deaths per unit population?
New Mexico has a low population. Or see map below. Case count across increase per fortnight the USA, from New York Times.
Hold on, the map above is a bit misleading. Areas with a low population density are uncoloured. “The map shows where the average number of reported cases over the past two weeks is increasing, decreasing or about the same. Counties with an increase in the rate of cases are shaded darker. Counties with fewer than 20 cases over the past two weeks and parts of a county with a population density lower than 10 people per square mile are not shaded.”
The following map gives confirmed cases per unit of population, from John Hopkins. Arizona is a bit weird. Hardly any new cases but a large total number of cases per unit population.
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
I wonder why New Mexico is doing okay. You can pretty much cut a swath of “fucked” from California to Florida except for NM.
Is that by cases/deaths or by cases/deaths per unit population?
New Mexico has a low population. Or see map below. Case count across the USA, from New York Times.
herd immunity
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
I wonder why New Mexico is doing okay. You can pretty much cut a swath of “fucked” from California to Florida except for NM.
Is that by cases/deaths or by cases/deaths per unit population?
New Mexico has a low population. Or see map below. Case count across the USA, from New York Times.
Per population
More than 30 cases of coronavirus have been linked to the Crossroads Hotel at Casula, in Sydney’s south-west.
Mr Morrison this morning told Victorian radio station Triple M the cases can be traced back to Melbourne.
Here’s what he said:
“What we do know is that the strain, genetically, that has turned up in NSW has come from Victoria.
“We do know that.
“And that just means that in terms of community outbreak in NSW that hasn’t come from within NSW
SCIENCE said:
Victorians Think Sharing Is Caring But Morrison Gets Defensive
More than 30 cases of coronavirus have been linked to the Crossroads Hotel at Casula, in Sydney’s south-west.
Mr Morrison this morning told Victorian radio station Triple M the cases can be traced back to Melbourne.
Here’s what he said:
“What we do know is that the strain, genetically, that has turned up in NSW has come from Victoria.
“We do know that.
“And that just means that in terms of community outbreak in NSW that hasn’t come from within NSW
It all came from a bloke in China hoeing into an armadillo or some such.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
Victorians Think Sharing Is Caring But Morrison Gets Defensive
More than 30 cases of coronavirus have been linked to the Crossroads Hotel at Casula, in Sydney’s south-west.
Mr Morrison this morning told Victorian radio station Triple M the cases can be traced back to Melbourne.
Here’s what he said:
“What we do know is that the strain, genetically, that has turned up in NSW has come from Victoria.
“We do know that.
“And that just means that in terms of community outbreak in NSW that hasn’t come from within NSW
It all came from a bloke in China hoeing into an armadillo or some such.
“Melbourne man ‘likely’ responsible for Crossroads Hotel cluster
Health authorities in NSW say a man from Melbourne is “likely” responsible for sparking a cluster of coronavirus cases linked to the Crossroads Hotel in south-west Sydney.
The man, who works for a freight company but is not a truck driver, travelled to Sydney on June 30 and is thought to have infected several colleagues at his workplace.
The group went to a function at the Crossroads Hotel on July 3.
“We’ve made these links with extensive interviews over multiple public health units,” NSW Health’s Jeannie Musto said.
So far, 34 COVID-19 infections have been linked to the pub.”
Fantastic effort with that contact tracing, I reckon.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-crossroads-hotel/12455726
Michael V said:
“Melbourne man ‘likely’ responsible for Crossroads Hotel clusterHealth authorities in NSW say a man from Melbourne is “likely” responsible for sparking a cluster of coronavirus cases linked to the Crossroads Hotel in south-west Sydney.
The man, who works for a freight company but is not a truck driver, travelled to Sydney on June 30 and is thought to have infected several colleagues at his workplace.
The group went to a function at the Crossroads Hotel on July 3.
“We’ve made these links with extensive interviews over multiple public health units,” NSW Health’s Jeannie Musto said.
So far, 34 COVID-19 infections have been linked to the pub.”
Fantastic effort with that contact tracing, I reckon.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-crossroads-hotel/12455726
Should people have a card that gets stamped for every person they infect and if they get what 50 (reasonable number) a free McDonalds meal
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
“Melbourne man ‘likely’ responsible for Crossroads Hotel clusterHealth authorities in NSW say a man from Melbourne is “likely” responsible for sparking a cluster of coronavirus cases linked to the Crossroads Hotel in south-west Sydney.
The man, who works for a freight company but is not a truck driver, travelled to Sydney on June 30 and is thought to have infected several colleagues at his workplace.
The group went to a function at the Crossroads Hotel on July 3.
“We’ve made these links with extensive interviews over multiple public health units,” NSW Health’s Jeannie Musto said.
So far, 34 COVID-19 infections have been linked to the pub.”
Fantastic effort with that contact tracing, I reckon.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-crossroads-hotel/12455726
Should people have a card that gets stamped for every person they infect and if they get what 50 (reasonable number) a free McDonalds meal
Shouldn’t that be Krispy Kreme?
(Given this week’s KK promotion in Sydney.)
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
“Melbourne man ‘likely’ responsible for Crossroads Hotel clusterHealth authorities in NSW say a man from Melbourne is “likely” responsible for sparking a cluster of coronavirus cases linked to the Crossroads Hotel in south-west Sydney.
The man, who works for a freight company but is not a truck driver, travelled to Sydney on June 30 and is thought to have infected several colleagues at his workplace.
The group went to a function at the Crossroads Hotel on July 3.
“We’ve made these links with extensive interviews over multiple public health units,” NSW Health’s Jeannie Musto said.
So far, 34 COVID-19 infections have been linked to the pub.”
Fantastic effort with that contact tracing, I reckon.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-crossroads-hotel/12455726
Should people have a card that gets stamped for every person they infect and if they get what 50 (reasonable number) a free McDonalds meal
Shouldn’t that be Krispy Kreme?
(Given this week’s KK promotion in Sydney.)
we heard from some associates that in some places there were no queue or waiting so maybe efficiency was good
Michael V said:
Fantastic effort with that contact tracing, I reckon.
fair
just to be clear when we talk about eradication we don’t mean we can guarantee no outside arrivals ever being another virus to our shores*, we mean zero community transmission and if there are any break outs then all transmissions are known and hence easily reradicated
*: until global eradication obviously
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/coronavirus-app-limited-use-in-victoria-200-contacts-found/12456454
What could Victoria’s ‘stage 4’ restrictions against coronavirus look like if they were imposed?
We need to all go underground.
So we don’t breathe in any fresh air that might have covid19.
Tau.Neutrino said:
What could Victoria’s ‘stage 4’ restrictions against coronavirus look like if they were imposed?We need to all go underground.
So we don’t breathe in any fresh air that might have covid19.
Risk is lower outdoors than indoors.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What could Victoria’s ‘stage 4’ restrictions against coronavirus look like if they were imposed?We need to all go underground.
So we don’t breathe in any fresh air that might have covid19.
Risk is lower outdoors than indoors.
I was just messing around.
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/cfmmeu-fined-50-000-after-refusing-to-work-without-female-toilet-20191113-p53a7r.html
dv said:
I hate the union-bashers as much as anybody, but if the report below is accurate it sounds like they were not fined for wanting a female toilet, but rather for how they went about getting one.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/cfmmeu-fined-50-000-after-refusing-to-work-without-female-toilet-20191113-p53a7r.html
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I hate the union-bashers as much as anybody, but if the report below is accurate it sounds like they were not fined for wanting a female toilet, but rather for how they went about getting one.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/cfmmeu-fined-50-000-after-refusing-to-work-without-female-toilet-20191113-p53a7r.html
But as someone said in a slightly different context the other day, perhaps I should just leave these things to sibeen :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
But as someone said in a slightly different context the other day, perhaps I should just leave these things to sibeen :)
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/cfmmeu-fined-50-000-after-refusing-to-work-without-female-toilet-20191113-p53a7r.html
Thanks for backing me up.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I hate the union-bashers as much as anybody, but if the report below is accurate it sounds like they were not fined for wanting a female toilet, but rather for how they went about getting one.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/cfmmeu-fined-50-000-after-refusing-to-work-without-female-toilet-20191113-p53a7r.html
so make people poor and them arrest them for trying to survive kind of thing as well ¿ or completely different
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What could Victoria’s ‘stage 4’ restrictions against coronavirus look like if they were imposed?We need to all go underground.
So we don’t breathe in any fresh air that might have covid19.
Risk is lower outdoors than indoors.
Might Need More Locks / keep everyone out
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I hate the union-bashers as much as anybody, but if the report below is accurate it sounds like they were not fined for wanting a female toilet, but rather for how they went about getting one.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/cfmmeu-fined-50-000-after-refusing-to-work-without-female-toilet-20191113-p53a7r.html
so make people poor and them arrest them for trying to survive kind of thing as well ¿ or completely different
I don’t know that they were ever arrested were they?
The article says that the reason for the fine was coercion.
So if union members were being actively coerced into taking action when they didn’t want to, it may be reasonable that the union should be fined, depending on what form the coercion took.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I hate the union-bashers as much as anybody, but if the report below is accurate it sounds like they were not fined for wanting a female toilet, but rather for how they went about getting one.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/cfmmeu-fined-50-000-after-refusing-to-work-without-female-toilet-20191113-p53a7r.html
so make people poor and them arrest them for trying to survive kind of thing as well ¿ or completely different
I don’t know that they were ever arrested were they?
The article says that the reason for the fine was coercion.
So if union members were being actively coerced into taking action when they didn’t want to, it may be reasonable that the union should be fined, depending on what form the coercion took.
fair, more like the terrorist one freedom fighter thing then
https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html
sarahs mum said:
https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html
It would only take one asymptomatic sailor who returned a false-negative initially.
Speedy said:
sarahs mum said:
https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html
It would only take one asymptomatic sailor who returned a false-negative initially.
related links
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-woman-infects-71-people-110820827.html
wear a ‘king mask, it’s not perfect but really
sarahs mum said:
https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html
Heck!
party_pants said:
dirty foreign travelers spreading the COVIDs in our nice clean state….https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/wa-records-eight-new-coronavirus-cases-travel-restrictions/12456900
7 of the 8 were on one flight from London to Dubai on July 1. So far 19 cases traced back to that one flight.
Commercial airliners seem almost to be built for disease transmission.
well … it’s almost as if LIFE* might evolve to make the best use of its available transmission methods and spread ! like crazy
*: yes yes yes viruses aren’t alive, and so forth
sarahs mum said:
Now all closed for deep cleaning.
Not enough cleaning.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Now all closed for deep cleaning.
Not enough cleaning.
They keep missing bits.
sarahs mum said:
I hope the border gets closed again, soon. I wouldn’t‘ve re-opened it.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
I hope the border gets closed again, soon. I wouldn’t‘ve re-opened it.
It sure is a strange border that one.
EU response to covid was pretty fucked
A Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
I hope the border gets closed again, soon. I wouldn’t‘ve re-opened it.
It sure is a strange border that one.
I’m talking about the QLD-NSW border. It was re-opened whilst the VIC cases were ramping up and the school holidaze were on. Not a great idea.
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:I hope the border gets closed again, soon. I wouldn’t‘ve re-opened it.
It sure is a strange border that one.
I’m talking about the QLD-NSW border. It was re-opened whilst the VIC cases were ramping up and the school holidaze were on. Not a great idea.
I was joking about making a border around all the spots with covid19.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It sure is a strange border that one.
I’m talking about the QLD-NSW border. It was re-opened whilst the VIC cases were ramping up and the school holidaze were on. Not a great idea.
I was joking about making a border around all the spots with covid19.
Ah. Sorry – I missed it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It sure is a strange border that one.
I’m talking about the QLD-NSW border. It was re-opened whilst the VIC cases were ramping up and the school holidaze were on. Not a great idea.
I was joking about making a border around all the spots with covid19.
That’s What Daniel Trump Said About The Melbourne Hot Spots
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:I’m talking about the QLD-NSW border. It was re-opened whilst the VIC cases were ramping up and the school holidaze were on. Not a great idea.
I was joking about making a border around all the spots with covid19.
That’s What Daniel Trump Said About The Melbourne Hot Spots
Maybe they need to power spray Victoria, it hasn’t had a deep clean for a while.
sibeen said:
EU response to covid was pretty fuckedA Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
pretty bad.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
EU response to covid was pretty fuckedA Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
pretty bad.
The article or the EU response?
They seem to be doing a lot better than USA now anyway (even UK).
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
EU response to covid was pretty fuckedA Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
pretty bad.
The article or the EU response?
They seem to be doing a lot better than USA now anyway (even UK).
EU response.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
EU response to covid was pretty fuckedA Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
pretty bad.
The article or the EU response?
They seem to be doing a lot better than USA now anyway (even UK).
They were very slow off the mark, with each country doing their own thing. They now have a coordinated approach which included bulk ordering and distribution of PPE and ventilator machines. They are also jointly funding vaccine development and testing.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
EU response to covid was pretty fuckedA Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
pretty bad.
Typical Drugiana, with their anti-Europe agenda
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
EU response to covid was pretty fuckedA Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
pretty bad.
Typical Drugiana, with their anti-Europe agenda
How long did it take you to come up with Drugiana?
sibeen said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:pretty bad.
Typical Drugiana, with their anti-Europe agenda
How long did it take you to come up with Drugiana?
8 seconds approximately
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
EU response to covid was pretty fuckedA Gran article that is pretty damming about the EU and it response to the initial wave of the pandemic.
pretty bad.
Typical Drugiana, with their anti-Europe agenda
The Guardian is anti-Europe? Were they Brexiters too?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:pretty bad.
Typical Drugiana, with their anti-Europe agenda
The Guardian is anti-Europe? Were they Brexiters too?
“Oh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that’s a real useful invention.”
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/tik-tok-influencers-fals-claims-covid-app/12459176
18-year-old Nikita Kostoglou, an influencer from Queensland who has more than 200,000 followers on Tik Tok, was paid $600 to make a video encouraging Australians to download the COVIDSafe app.
Nikita, like a number of other influencers who spoke with Hack, wasn’t aware that the campaign wasn’t sponsored by the government, and didn’t know which company was funding the campaign.
SCIENCE said:
Your Data Will Be Perfectly Safe If You Download This, So Safe We Won’t Even Be Able To Use It To Contain A Pandemic
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/tik-tok-influencers-fals-claims-covid-app/12459176
18-year-old Nikita Kostoglou, an influencer from Queensland who has more than 200,000 followers on Tik Tok, was paid $600 to make a video encouraging Australians to download the COVIDSafe app.
Nikita, like a number of other influencers who spoke with Hack, wasn’t aware that the campaign wasn’t sponsored by the government, and didn’t know which company was funding the campaign.
I wasn’t convinced.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Your Data Will Be Perfectly Safe If You Download This, So Safe We Won’t Even Be Able To Use It To Contain A Pandemic
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/tik-tok-influencers-fals-claims-covid-app/12459176
18-year-old Nikita Kostoglou, an influencer from Queensland who has more than 200,000 followers on Tik Tok, was paid $600 to make a video encouraging Australians to download the COVIDSafe app.
Nikita, like a number of other influencers who spoke with Hack, wasn’t aware that the campaign wasn’t sponsored by the government, and didn’t know which company was funding the campaign.
I wasn’t convinced.
Why anyone should accept advice from any of these ‘influencers’ is baffling.
They’re 18, 19, 20. What do they know? I wager that none of them can even drive a manual-transmission car.captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Your Data Will Be Perfectly Safe If You Download This, So Safe We Won’t Even Be Able To Use It To Contain A Pandemic
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/tik-tok-influencers-fals-claims-covid-app/12459176
18-year-old Nikita Kostoglou, an influencer from Queensland who has more than 200,000 followers on Tik Tok, was paid $600 to make a video encouraging Australians to download the COVIDSafe app.
Nikita, like a number of other influencers who spoke with Hack, wasn’t aware that the campaign wasn’t sponsored by the government, and didn’t know which company was funding the campaign.
I wasn’t convinced.
Why anyone should accept advice from any of these ‘influencers’ is baffling.
They’re 18, 19, 20. What do they know? I wager that none of them can even drive a manual-transmission car.
their audience are probably the same age
(CNN)The public battle between President Donald Trump’s economic and medical advisers stretched into another day after Peter Navarro, the senior White House trade official, apparently broke protocol by publishing an opinion article trashing Dr. Anthony Fauci late Tuesday.
Fauci, in his most forceful pushback to date against White House attempts to discredit him, warned his fellow administration officials a day later that they were harming the President’s credibility. Speaking to The Atlantic, Fauci called White House attacks on him “bizarre” and said they ultimately damaged Trump.
“I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that,” he said. “I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.”
—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/donald-trump-peter-navarro-anthony-fauci/index.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/nsw-coronavirus-border-closures-travellers-tackling-refunds/12456968
Accommodation Association of Australia CEO Dean Long said border closures risked people’s jobs.
He said the spread of COVID-19 was “very limited” everywhere except Victoria.
“What’s going to be worse? COVID or super-high unemployment where people can’t even put food on the table?” Mr Long said.
“That’s effectively what closing borders does. Every border closure is an attack on somebody’s job.”
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Your Data Will Be Perfectly Safe If You Download This, So Safe We Won’t Even Be Able To Use It To Contain A Pandemic
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/tik-tok-influencers-fals-claims-covid-app/12459176
18-year-old Nikita Kostoglou, an influencer from Queensland who has more than 200,000 followers on Tik Tok, was paid $600 to make a video encouraging Australians to download the COVIDSafe app.
Nikita, like a number of other influencers who spoke with Hack, wasn’t aware that the campaign wasn’t sponsored by the government, and didn’t know which company was funding the campaign.
I wasn’t convinced.
Why anyone should accept advice from any of these ‘influencers’ is baffling.
They’re 18, 19, 20. What do they know? I wager that none of them can even drive a manual-transmission car.
LOL, I don’t think you know what an influencer is.
dv said:
(CNN)The public battle between President Donald Trump’s economic and medical advisers stretched into another day after Peter Navarro, the senior White House trade official, apparently broke protocol by publishing an opinion article trashing Dr. Anthony Fauci late Tuesday.Fauci, in his most forceful pushback to date against White House attempts to discredit him, warned his fellow administration officials a day later that they were harming the President’s credibility. Speaking to The Atlantic, Fauci called White House attacks on him “bizarre” and said they ultimately damaged Trump.
“I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that,” he said. “I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.”
—-https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/donald-trump-peter-navarro-anthony-fauci/index.html
In August News Coup Results In Fauci Becoming Republican Poster Boy Candidate For President Dramatically Reversing Voter Preferences And Triggering Landslide Victory Against Democrats The Following Month
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:I wasn’t convinced.
Why anyone should accept advice from any of these ‘influencers’ is baffling.
They’re 18, 19, 20. What do they know? I wager that none of them can even drive a manual-transmission car.their audience are probably the same age
They probably talk loud and get excited about doing normal things as that’s enough
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Why anyone should accept advice from any of these ‘influencers’ is baffling.
They’re 18, 19, 20. What do they know? I wager that none of them can even drive a manual-transmission car.their audience are probably the same age
They probably talk loud and get excited about doing normal things as that’s enough
Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
they aren’t just snotty nosed kids that know nothing.
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:their audience are probably the same age
They probably talk loud and get excited about doing normal things as that’s enough
Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
they aren’t just snotty nosed kids that know nothing.
you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:They probably talk loud and get excited about doing normal things as that’s enough
Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
they aren’t just snotty nosed kids that know nothing.
you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
No, not like that at all.
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:They probably talk loud and get excited about doing normal things as that’s enough
Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
they aren’t just snotty nosed kids that know nothing.
you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Buckle up … there’s a bit of news this morning.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html
Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all Covid-19 patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.
The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and remdesivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus. But the Health and Human Services database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions.
“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak,” said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
—-
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/14/coronavirus-four-former-cdc-directors-oped-trump-administration/5434110002/
Four ex-CDC directors decry Trump administration effort to ‘cast public doubt’ on reopening guidelines
Four former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sharply criticized the Trump administrationon Tuesday for undermining the federal health agency and casting doubt on its scientific guidelines in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
“As America begins the formidable task of getting our kids back to school and all of us back to work safely amid a pandemic that is only getting worse, public health experts face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” wrote former CDC Directors Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser in an op-ed published Tuesday by The Washington Post.
“As the debate last week around reopening schools more safely showed, these repeated efforts to subvert sound public health guidelines introduce chaos and uncertainty while unnecessarily putting lives at risk.”
“The four of us led the CDC over a period of more than 15 years, spanning Republican and Democratic administrations alike,” they said. “We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence.”
The anti-CDC stance is concerning, although to be fair the CDC did not seem to be on their A-game early in the COVID-19 infections cycle.
MIRRORED FROM OTHER LINE
like the pandemic itself, this was something we would have all seen coming in March, but then the DPRNA “best country in the world, could do no wrong, it’s all Northeast Tibet’s fault” fanbabying didn’t help
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
they aren’t just snotty nosed kids that know nothing.
you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
Critical Thinking 101…
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
they aren’t just snotty nosed kids that know nothing.
you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
That isn’t what it is though. How do you decide what particular brand to buy? you read reviews and base your decisions on those reviews. Isn’t that letting someone else do your thinking for you?
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Buckle up … there’s a bit of news this morning.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html
Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all Covid-19 patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.
The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and remdesivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus. But the Health and Human Services database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions.
“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak,” said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
—-
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/14/coronavirus-four-former-cdc-directors-oped-trump-administration/5434110002/
Four ex-CDC directors decry Trump administration effort to ‘cast public doubt’ on reopening guidelines
Four former directors of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sharply criticized the Trump administrationon Tuesday for undermining the federal health agency and casting doubt on its scientific guidelines in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.
“As America begins the formidable task of getting our kids back to school and all of us back to work safely amid a pandemic that is only getting worse, public health experts face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” wrote former CDC Directors Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser in an op-ed published Tuesday by The Washington Post.
“As the debate last week around reopening schools more safely showed, these repeated efforts to subvert sound public health guidelines introduce chaos and uncertainty while unnecessarily putting lives at risk.”
“The four of us led the CDC over a period of more than 15 years, spanning Republican and Democratic administrations alike,” they said. “We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence.”
The anti-CDC stance is concerning, although to be fair the CDC did not seem to be on their A-game early in the COVID-19 infections cycle.
MIRRORED FROM OTHER LINE
like the pandemic itself, this was something we would have all seen coming in March, but then the DPRNA “best country in the world, could do no wrong, it’s all Northeast Tibet’s fault” fanbabying didn’t help
It does seem normal though for the USA, they are so used to thinking they are the only nation that exists and that they do everything the best until they don’t.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
Critical Thinking 101…
I am a cynic though so find the title social media influencer such a load of nonsense, plus it seems a way to get money from advertisers if you have enough followers
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I read DO’s newsletters.
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
That isn’t what it is though. How do you decide what particular brand to buy? you read reviews and base your decisions on those reviews. Isn’t that letting someone else do your thinking for you?
True, just like students in school solving problems are making judgements based on historically acquired classical knowledge, are merely letting someone else do their thinking for them!
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
That isn’t what it is though. How do you decide what particular brand to buy? you read reviews and base your decisions on those reviews. Isn’t that letting someone else do your thinking for you?
Somewhat, but I have a good idea of what I want anyway.
If it extends to politics, science, health, etc then no its dangerous and you should research actual facts not someone’s opinion (informed or not)
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
they aren’t just snotty nosed kids that know nothing.
you’re right, they’re snotty nosed kids that know nothing but have somehow attained a reputation for knowing something
kind of like baby USSA presidents
No, not like that at all.
Ref¿
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
Critical Thinking 101…
I am a cynic though so find the title social media influencer such a load of nonsense, plus it seems a way to get money from advertisers if you have enough followers
https://naibuzz.com/how-much-money-goonzquad-makes-on-youtube-net-worth/
These guys my neighbour watches. He is a panelbeater and has been for 40+ years. He reckons the Goonzquad are pretty good for self taught PB etc. Yeah, they are a bit full on, but they seem to be really honest guys.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I read DO’s newsletters.
If by that ChrispenEvan means content producers on platforms that display views counts (or equivalent), who have relatively high views counts, then we have watched them to the extent that they form part of the usual available population of content but not specifically because we are following their high views counts.
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:Critical Thinking 101…
I am a cynic though so find the title social media influencer such a load of nonsense, plus it seems a way to get money from advertisers if you have enough followers
https://naibuzz.com/how-much-money-goonzquad-makes-on-youtube-net-worth/
These guys my neighbour watches. He is a panelbeater and has been for 40+ years. He reckons the Goonzquad are pretty good for self taught PB etc. Yeah, they are a bit full on, but they seem to be really honest guys.
Can They Help Us Identify Which Foreign Power Is Funding The Download COVIDSafe Campaign Then
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I read DO’s newsletters.
If by that ChrispenEvan means content producers on platforms that display views counts (or equivalent), who have relatively high views counts, then we have watched them to the extent that they form part of the usual available population of content but not specifically because we are following their high views counts.
yeah, you watch them because they interest you. sucked in.
;-)
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I’d rather eat dirt.
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:Seems like lazy thinking, let someone else influence you instead of doing the thinking yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
Social media is a great manipulation tool.
That isn’t what it is though. How do you decide what particular brand to buy? you read reviews and base your decisions on those reviews. Isn’t that letting someone else do your thinking for you?
Somewhat, but I have a good idea of what I want anyway.
If it extends to politics, science, health, etc then no its dangerous and you should research actual facts not someone’s opinion (informed or not)
so when you buy an item you don’t read the online reviews to find out if that particular item has faults or will be a good buy?
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I read DO’s newsletters.
If by that ChrispenEvan means content producers on platforms that display views counts (or equivalent), who have relatively high views counts, then we have watched them to the extent that they form part of the usual available population of content but not specifically because we are following their high views counts.
yeah, you watch them because they interest you. sucked in.
;-)
actually much like here we watch many things to see what counter opinions exist in the ecosystem and occasionally entertain whoever is to be entertained by responding, videlicet Phlatterie Ass Manipulation
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I’d rather eat dirt.
another one with a blinkered view.
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:That isn’t what it is though. How do you decide what particular brand to buy? you read reviews and base your decisions on those reviews. Isn’t that letting someone else do your thinking for you?
Somewhat, but I have a good idea of what I want anyway.
If it extends to politics, science, health, etc then no its dangerous and you should research actual facts not someone’s opinion (informed or not)
so when you buy an item you don’t read the online reviews to find out if that particular item has faults or will be a good buy?
Is Every Review Written By An Influencer ¿
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I’d rather eat dirt.
Is that a euphemism for watching Tucker Carlson?
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:That isn’t what it is though. How do you decide what particular brand to buy? you read reviews and base your decisions on those reviews. Isn’t that letting someone else do your thinking for you?
Somewhat, but I have a good idea of what I want anyway.
If it extends to politics, science, health, etc then no its dangerous and you should research actual facts not someone’s opinion (informed or not)
so when you buy an item you don’t read the online reviews to find out if that particular item has faults or will be a good buy?
I prefer to buy ultra cheap lego sets of dodgy websites who don’t reply to my emails and cause severe buyer’s remorse.
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:If by that ChrispenEvan means content producers on platforms that display views counts (or equivalent), who have relatively high views counts, then we have watched them to the extent that they form part of the usual available population of content but not specifically because we are following their high views counts.
yeah, you watch them because they interest you. sucked in.
;-)
actually much like here we watch many things to see what counter opinions exist in the ecosystem and occasionally entertain whoever is to be entertained by responding, videlicet Phlatterie Ass Manipulation
exactly.
I watch one 4wd because he has pretty good tech info. I watch another because he goes to some interesting places. They both have “products” that they comment on. Not all is sponsored.
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:Somewhat, but I have a good idea of what I want anyway.
If it extends to politics, science, health, etc then no its dangerous and you should research actual facts not someone’s opinion (informed or not)
so when you buy an item you don’t read the online reviews to find out if that particular item has faults or will be a good buy?
Is Every Review Written By An Influencer ¿
who knows. just got to read enough of them from different sources.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I read DO’s newsletters.
I found the articles in the June edition particularly perceptive.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I read DO’s newsletters.
I was about to post that
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
do any of you actually watch anyone who would be classified as an influencer?
I read DO’s newsletters.
I was about to post that
I use the online version.
I saw someone livestreaming their lunch on Rotto a few months back.
She had good posture.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:Somewhat, but I have a good idea of what I want anyway.
If it extends to politics, science, health, etc then no its dangerous and you should research actual facts not someone’s opinion (informed or not)
so when you buy an item you don’t read the online reviews to find out if that particular item has faults or will be a good buy?
I prefer to buy ultra cheap lego sets of dodgy websites who don’t reply to my emails and cause severe buyer’s remorse.
we bought some frames from what seemed like a shed in Mulgrave run by ASIANS for a nice low price and they arrived in good time in good condition and performed as intended but there didn’t seem to be any influencers involved
dv said:
I saw someone livestreaming their lunch on Rotto a few months back.She had good posture.
euphemism
dv said:
I saw someone livestreaming their lunch on Rotto a few months back.She had good posture.
see, i don’t watch that type of influencer.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
I saw someone livestreaming their lunch on Rotto a few months back.She had good posture.
see, i don’t watch that type of influencer.
another thing, people seem to whine about the young people of today yet when they actually do something, like the Goonz and make more money than those that whine, they are still thought of as useless because they are “influencers”. I may be old but I’m glad I don’t think like that.
ChrispenEvan said:
another thing, people seem to whine about the young people of today yet when they actually do something, like the Goonz and make more money than those that whine, they are still thought of as useless because they are “influencers”. I may be old but I’m glad I don’t think like that.
I don’t think that but I just find the term social media influencer seems like an attention seeking behaviour if you feel need the need to mention it.
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:
another thing, people seem to whine about the young people of today yet when they actually do something, like the Goonz and make more money than those that whine, they are still thought of as useless because they are “influencers”. I may be old but I’m glad I don’t think like that.
I don’t think that but I just find the term social media influencer seems like an attention seeking behaviour if you feel need the need to mention it.
none of the videos I watch mention it. doesn’t mean they aren’t though.
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:
another thing, people seem to whine about the young people of today yet when they actually do something, like the Goonz and make more money than those that whine, they are still thought of as useless because they are “influencers”. I may be old but I’m glad I don’t think like that.
I don’t think that but I just find the term social media influencer seems like an attention seeking behaviour if you feel need the need to mention it.
none of the videos I watch mention it. doesn’t mean they aren’t though.
True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:I don’t think that but I just find the term social media influencer seems like an attention seeking behaviour if you feel need the need to mention it.
none of the videos I watch mention it. doesn’t mean they aren’t though.
True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
like michio kaku
Ooooh-Aaaah!
317 more in Victoria.
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:none of the videos I watch mention it. doesn’t mean they aren’t though.
True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
like michio kaku
Who ¿
Michael V said:
Ooooh-Aaaah!317 more in Victoria.
fk
at least it’s not 1200
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Ooooh-Aaaah!317 more in Victoria.
fk
at least it’s not 1200
Thank the Lord.
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:I don’t think that but I just find the term social media influencer seems like an attention seeking behaviour if you feel need the need to mention it.
none of the videos I watch mention it. doesn’t mean they aren’t though.
True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
probably because
Influencers in social media are people who have built a reputation for their knowledge and expertise on a specific topic. They make regular posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and generate large followings of enthusiastic, engaged people who pay close attention to their views.
https://influencermarketinghub.com/what-is-an-influencer/
our emphasis
which to us implies that there is a difference between that and experts on social media who are people who have knowledge and expertise on a specific topic, and make posts about that topic on their preferred social media channels and may or may not have followings of engaged people who trust their views
but who are we to read between the spans ¿
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Ooooh-Aaaah!317 more in Victoria.
fk
at least it’s not 1200
Thank the Lord.
Lord Dutton, imagine how it would have been if you didn’t Stop The Boats
wait
Or The European Maids For Your Cronies
wait
Or The North American Toxicity, Police Brutality, And Racism
wait
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
ChrispenEvan said:none of the videos I watch mention it. doesn’t mean they aren’t though.
True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
oh is that anything like Eckhart Tolle
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/coronavirus-cases-cause-staff-shortages-in-melbourne-hospitals/12460592
Mr buffy is fuming about the wearing scrubs outside of hospitals thing again this morning…
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
Yes, Pete is.
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
Yes, Pete is.
So he would be one of the ones who is perceived to have knowledge then, not one of the ones who has knowledge.
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:True, but the media has run with it and uses these self involved people as some sort of font of wisdom when most are just obnoxious.
I shouldn’t generalise though
like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
:)
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
Yes, Pete is.
So he would be one of the ones who is perceived to have knowledge then, not one of the ones who has knowledge.
his supporters think he has knowledge. but yes, he doesn’t except probably in cooking stuff.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
:)
I have that one and his Visions book.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
:)
I’ve got “Visions”. It came after “Hyperspace”.
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:Yes, Pete is.
So he would be one of the ones who is perceived to have knowledge then, not one of the ones who has knowledge.
his supporters think he has knowledge. but yes, he doesn’t except probably in cooking stuff.
Mr Kaku is a completely different kettle of fish, isn’t he?
(Not that I’ve actually read anything by him)
sibeen said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:like michio kaku
That Pete Evans person is an influencer, isn’t he?
(I do actually have a Michio Kaku book on the shelves. I’ve never got around to reading it, not sure why. I must have bought it at a time I was really busy and then never quite got around to coming back to it. You’ve reminded me about it – I might make it next on my reading pile)
:)
I don’t have any books by him.
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:Yes, Pete is.
So he would be one of the ones who is perceived to have knowledge then, not one of the ones who has knowledge.
his supporters think he has knowledge. but yes, he doesn’t except probably in cooking stuff.
His detractors think he has bipolar.
Seems Influencers are strongly influencing this coronavirus thread.
Do we need an Influencers Thread, or something else?
Michael V said:
Seems Influencers are strongly influencing this coronavirus thread.Do we need an Influencers Thread, or something else?
Confluences Threads
Watch Rachel Maddow Highlights: July 14 | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcd6i2AZpBw
A Florida hospital CEO says that they have made two ICU depts..One for Covid, one non covid. They are now running at 187% capacity.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/washington-state-sheriff-urges-residents-to-defy-mask-order/
I mean … shouldn’t a law enforcement officer get fired for openly telling people to break the law ?
dv said:
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/washington-state-sheriff-urges-residents-to-defy-mask-order/I mean … shouldn’t a law enforcement officer get fired for openly telling people to break the law ?
Not all Washington State Sheriffs are smart.
dv said:
How can there be 135 billion in tax breaks for the rich when the rich don’t pay any tax in their home countries?
dv said:
It was good to see that Pelosi’s husband was able to get his hand into the trough.
sibeen said:
dv said:
It was good to see that Pelosi’s husband was able to get his hand into the trough.
You really don’t like Pelosi do you? She’s like your goto corrupt liberal.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
It was good to see that Pelosi’s husband was able to get his hand into the trough.
You really don’t like Pelosi do you? She’s like your goto corrupt liberal.
Just a very visible and easy target.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:It was good to see that Pelosi’s husband was able to get his hand into the trough.
You really don’t like Pelosi do you? She’s like your goto corrupt liberal.
Just a very visible and easy target.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/26/sotu-pelosi-just-calm-down.cnn
I mean it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells Jake Tapper that state and local government funding will come in a significant way despite passing recent legislation with no state or local funding
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/nsw-coronavirus-three-mystery-cases-concern-authorities/12460650
Health authorities in NSW are scrambling to identify the source of three mystery coronavirus infections, in an attempt to link them to a growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. Two of the three mystery infections are in Sydney’s south-western suburbs while the third is from the Wollongong area.
Like the failed “hotspot ringfencing” in Melbourne, businesses in a swathe of Sydney suburbs have been closed for cleaning after infected people visited them over the past two weeks.
“Obviously, we are concerned, when we find cases that can’t be linked back, because it does indicate we have missed a chain,” she said. What she didn’t say was clear: did anyone catch the sound of COVIDSafe Crashing?
Several states have announced tougher restrictions on travellers from NSW amid the growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. As well they should. Queensland barred anyone who has been in the Western Sydney suburbs of Campbelltown and Liverpool from entering the sunshine state, just days after reopening its border to people from NSW. One was left to wonder why they even bothered reopening the border at all, like, was anyone really surprised that Victorian contagion would simply flow on through NSW?
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You really don’t like Pelosi do you? She’s like your goto corrupt liberal.
Just a very visible and easy target.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/26/sotu-pelosi-just-calm-down.cnn
I mean it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells Jake Tapper that state and local government funding will come in a significant way despite passing recent legislation with no state or local funding
That’s Pesce, no, Pez, no, Poisson…
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/washington-state-sheriff-urges-residents-to-defy-mask-order/I mean … shouldn’t a law enforcement officer get fired for openly telling people to break the law ?
Not all Washington State Sheriffs are smart.
A Washington state sheriff urged residents to defy Gov. Jay Inslee’s statewide mandate requiring people to wear masks in public — declaring, “Don’t be a sheep,” according to a report. Dozens of people gathered around him are then shown cheering, clapping and waving American flags.
Aha, flock immunity, there, we told you.
dv said:
Heck!
SCIENCE said:
Aaaaaand… It Begins! Again! Time To Wait Until It’s Out Of Control In This State Too Before Responding
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/nsw-coronavirus-three-mystery-cases-concern-authorities/12460650
Health authorities in NSW are scrambling to identify the source of three mystery coronavirus infections, in an attempt to link them to a growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. Two of the three mystery infections are in Sydney’s south-western suburbs while the third is from the Wollongong area.
Like the failed “hotspot ringfencing” in Melbourne, businesses in a swathe of Sydney suburbs have been closed for cleaning after infected people visited them over the past two weeks.
“Obviously, we are concerned, when we find cases that can’t be linked back, because it does indicate we have missed a chain,” she said. What she didn’t say was clear: did anyone catch the sound of COVIDSafe Crashing?
Several states have announced tougher restrictions on travellers from NSW amid the growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. As well they should. Queensland barred anyone who has been in the Western Sydney suburbs of Campbelltown and Liverpool from entering the sunshine state, just days after reopening its border to people from NSW. One was left to wonder why they even bothered reopening the border at all, like, was anyone really surprised that Victorian contagion would simply flow on through NSW?
I’m sure hubris was mentioned here last week.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Heck!
Which reminds me – Mr buffy’s stimulus money went into my account today. And I sent it over to his/our joint account. I’m such a good wife.
;)
One person started corona virus.
One person.
Tau.Neutrino said:
One person started corona virus.One person.
It’s always been like that. That’s how genetic mutation works.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Heck!
Which reminds me – Mr buffy’s stimulus money went into my account today. And I sent it over to his/our joint account. I’m such a good wife.
;)
Speaking of moneys, have we got this ScoMparison right ¿ They’re banging on about such a big deal the JobTrainer bullshit, but isn’t $1.5G (yes, 5G OMG) is f’ka’l compared to $70G ¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/how-government-coronavirus-spending-compares-to-other-disasters/12427160
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/government-jobtrainer-program-skills-investment-coronavirus/12459388
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Aaaaaand… It Begins! Again! Time To Wait Until It’s Out Of Control In This State Too Before Responding
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/nsw-coronavirus-three-mystery-cases-concern-authorities/12460650
Health authorities in NSW are scrambling to identify the source of three mystery coronavirus infections, in an attempt to link them to a growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. Two of the three mystery infections are in Sydney’s south-western suburbs while the third is from the Wollongong area.
Like the failed “hotspot ringfencing” in Melbourne, businesses in a swathe of Sydney suburbs have been closed for cleaning after infected people visited them over the past two weeks.
“Obviously, we are concerned, when we find cases that can’t be linked back, because it does indicate we have missed a chain,” she said. What she didn’t say was clear: did anyone catch the sound of COVIDSafe Crashing?
Several states have announced tougher restrictions on travellers from NSW amid the growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. As well they should. Queensland barred anyone who has been in the Western Sydney suburbs of Campbelltown and Liverpool from entering the sunshine state, just days after reopening its border to people from NSW. One was left to wonder why they even bothered reopening the border at all, like, was anyone really surprised that Victorian contagion would simply flow on through NSW?
I’m sure hubris was mentioned here last week.
I wasn’t at all happy that the southern border was re-opened. Things were clearly turning to hell in a hand-basket in Victoria, and we know how easily it escapes containment.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
One person started corona virus.One person.
It’s always been like that. That’s how genetic mutation works.
not necessarily, generally it takes 2 persons (where persons are humans) to start breeding
happy to be given evidence otherwise
Michael V said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Aaaaaand… It Begins! Again! Time To Wait Until It’s Out Of Control In This State Too Before Responding
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/nsw-coronavirus-three-mystery-cases-concern-authorities/12460650
Health authorities in NSW are scrambling to identify the source of three mystery coronavirus infections, in an attempt to link them to a growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. Two of the three mystery infections are in Sydney’s south-western suburbs while the third is from the Wollongong area.
Like the failed “hotspot ringfencing” in Melbourne, businesses in a swathe of Sydney suburbs have been closed for cleaning after infected people visited them over the past two weeks.
“Obviously, we are concerned, when we find cases that can’t be linked back, because it does indicate we have missed a chain,” she said. What she didn’t say was clear: did anyone catch the sound of COVIDSafe Crashing?
Several states have announced tougher restrictions on travellers from NSW amid the growing cluster in Sydney’s south west. As well they should. Queensland barred anyone who has been in the Western Sydney suburbs of Campbelltown and Liverpool from entering the sunshine state, just days after reopening its border to people from NSW. One was left to wonder why they even bothered reopening the border at all, like, was anyone really surprised that Victorian contagion would simply flow on through NSW?
I’m sure hubris was mentioned here last week.
I wasn’t at all happy that the southern border was re-opened. Things were clearly turning to hell in a hand-basket in Victoria, and we know how easily it escapes containment.
who, Bris ¿
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:I’m sure hubris was mentioned here last week.
I wasn’t at all happy that the southern border was re-opened. Things were clearly turning to hell in a hand-basket in Victoria, and we know how easily it escapes containment.
who, Bris ¿
Yes, QLD’s southern border.
Dr Kidd, DCMO:
“We have received some additional advice from New South Wales about at least one person who appears to have become infectious within 24 hours of being infected with COVID-19.
“The advice from infectious disease experts and the AHPPC is that while this is unusual, it is not implausible.
“There is a wide distribution in the incubation period for COVID-19 and the time that people become and remain infectious.
“People usually develop symptoms within five to seven days of infection but may be infectious one or two days before the symptoms develop.
“As we see large numbers with COVID-19 infected, in Australia, we are starting to see examples of people with early infectivity.”
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Bloody!
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-daniel-andrews-victoria/12459548
Corona virus tip
Wearing glasses can help to keep your mask in place.
Wearing a mask during an interview with CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday, he doubled down on his concern and said education on masks would benefit Americans.
“I am saying if we are going to have a mask mandate we need to understand that works best at the local and state level along with education. We need people to understand why they are doing it and we need people to understand how they benefit from it,” Adams said. “Because if we just try to mandate it you have to have an enforcement mechanism and we are in the midst of a moment when over-policing has caused many different individuals to be killed for very minor offenses and that is an important consideration.
—-US Surgeon General, Jerome Adams
It’s a bit grim
Michael V said:
Dr Kidd, DCMO:“We have received some additional advice from New South Wales about at least one person who appears to have become infectious within 24 hours of being infected with COVID-19.
“The advice from infectious disease experts and the AHPPC is that while this is unusual, it is not implausible.
“There is a wide distribution in the incubation period for COVID-19 and the time that people become and remain infectious.
“People usually develop symptoms within five to seven days of infection but may be infectious one or two days before the symptoms develop.
“As we see large numbers with COVID-19 infected, in Australia, we are starting to see examples of people with early infectivity.”
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Bloody!
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-daniel-andrews-victoria/12459548
(1) How symptomatic though?
(2) Kind of expected and not heaps heaps shocking.
(3) Individual cases aside, isn’t this a good thing for epidemic control though? The long incubation was an absolute fucker for (3.1) tracing and (3.2) required duration of lockdowns (which may not change because that’s determined by the maximum incubation of course).
Tau.Neutrino said:
Corona virus tipWearing glasses can help to keep your mask in place.
I ain’t wearing no goddamn mask…
Fairly basic coronavirus restrictions at the hospital yesterday. The ambulance man asked various questions before removing his mask. In the ambulance admission room I was given a quick survey before being rated Green and allowed into the waiting room, where every second seat has a DO NOT SIT HERE sign on it.
dv said:
Wearing a mask during an interview with CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday, he doubled down on his concern and said education on masks would benefit Americans.“I am saying if we are going to have a mask mandate we need to understand that works best at the local and state level along with education. We need people to understand why they are doing it and we need people to understand how they benefit from it,” Adams said. “Because if we just try to mandate it you have to have an enforcement mechanism and we are in the midst of a moment when over-policing has caused many different individuals to be killed for very minor offenses and that is an important consideration.
—-US Surgeon General, Jerome Adams
It’s a bit grim
we know this isn’t the most important thing but why do all these jokers blabber and waffle so much, as if they’re trying to hide their meaning with their words, or filibuster they way to communicating nothing by saying everything
like couldn’t they just say
“If we mandate masks, we need to educate people and make it work at local and state levels. People need to understand why and how they benefit from it. If we mandate it we have to be able to enforce that, and recently over-policing has been a major issue.”
¿
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Corona virus tipWearing glasses can help to keep your mask in place.
I ain’t wearing no goddamn mask…
or glasses, glasses are for nerds
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Corona virus tipWearing glasses can help to keep your mask in place.
I ain’t wearing no goddamn mask…
Planning on becoming a shut-in?
>ambulance admission room
i.e., the first point of entry for ambulance patients when they arrive at the hospital.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Wearing a mask during an interview with CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday, he doubled down on his concern and said education on masks would benefit Americans.“I am saying if we are going to have a mask mandate we need to understand that works best at the local and state level along with education. We need people to understand why they are doing it and we need people to understand how they benefit from it,” Adams said. “Because if we just try to mandate it you have to have an enforcement mechanism and we are in the midst of a moment when over-policing has caused many different individuals to be killed for very minor offenses and that is an important consideration.
—-US Surgeon General, Jerome Adams
It’s a bit grim
we know this isn’t the most important thing but why do all these jokers blabber and waffle so much, as if they’re trying to hide their meaning with their words, or filibuster they way to communicating nothing by saying everything
like couldn’t they just say
“If we mandate masks, we need to educate people and make it work at local and state levels. People need to understand why and how they benefit from it. If we mandate it we have to be able to enforce that, and recently over-policing has been a major issue.”
¿
You’re asking other people to be concise and meaningful?
England’s Jofra Archer excluded from second West Indies Test for coronavirus protocol breach
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Corona virus tipWearing glasses can help to keep your mask in place.
I ain’t wearing no goddamn mask…
Planning on becoming a shut-in?
So far we are not being told to.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Wearing a mask during an interview with CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday, he doubled down on his concern and said education on masks would benefit Americans.“I am saying if we are going to have a mask mandate we need to understand that works best at the local and state level along with education. We need people to understand why they are doing it and we need people to understand how they benefit from it,” Adams said. “Because if we just try to mandate it you have to have an enforcement mechanism and we are in the midst of a moment when over-policing has caused many different individuals to be killed for very minor offenses and that is an important consideration.
—-US Surgeon General, Jerome Adams
It’s a bit grim
we know this isn’t the most important thing but why do all these jokers blabber and waffle so much, as if they’re trying to hide their meaning with their words, or filibuster they way to communicating nothing by saying everything
like couldn’t they just say
“If we mandate masks, we need to educate people and make it work at local and state levels. People need to understand why and how they benefit from it. If we mandate it we have to be able to enforce that, and recently over-policing has been a major issue.”
¿
You’re asking other people to be concise and meaningful?
Honestly his version seems less waffley than SCIENCE’s. He cut right to the heart of the matter. You didn’t even mention the most important part: that people are being killed for trivial offenses.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:we know this isn’t the most important thing but why do all these jokers blabber and waffle so much, as if they’re trying to hide their meaning with their words, or filibuster they way to communicating nothing by saying everything
like couldn’t they just say
“If we mandate masks, we need to educate people and make it work at local and state levels. People need to understand why and how they benefit from it. If we mandate it we have to be able to enforce that, and recently over-policing has been a major issue.”
¿
You’re asking other people to be concise and meaningful?
Honestly his version seems less waffley than SCIENCE’s. He cut right to the heart of the matter. You didn’t even mention the most important part: that people are being killed for trivial offenses.
We Learn From The Best
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
mention the most important part: that people are being killed for trivial offenses.
We Learn From The Best
pardon our wrong thread
dv said:
Wearing a mask during an interview with CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday, he doubled down on his concern and said education on masks would benefit Americans.“I am saying if we are going to have a mask mandate we need to understand that works best at the local and state level along with education. We need people to understand why they are doing it and we need people to understand how they benefit from it,” Adams said. “Because if we just try to mandate it you have to have an enforcement mechanism and we are in the midst of a moment when over-policing has caused many different individuals to be killed for very minor offenses and that is an important consideration.
—-US Surgeon General, Jerome Adams
It’s a bit grim
This was pretty much my response – Need to use smaller words and focus on the benefit to the end user.
I was reading today on a private forum, so I can’t repost here, a post from someone in the US with COVID. They have a mild case, yet report feeling like an elephant is sitting on their chest. They’re sleeping 20 hours a day. They are already immunocompromised (didn’t say why) and their O2 tank usage has been jacked up from 2L to 5L (unsure over what time frame).
Fuck COVID. If this is classed as a mild case, I do not want to see a severe case. I don’t want this shitty disease. I don’t want the post-viral effects. I don’t want to spread it before I’m symptomatic… if I even become symptomatic.
Who would want to be sick in the first place?
Divine Angel said:
I was reading today on a private forum, so I can’t repost here, a post from someone in the US with COVID. They have a mild case, yet report feeling like an elephant is sitting on their chest. They’re sleeping 20 hours a day. They are already immunocompromised (didn’t say why) and their O2 tank usage has been jacked up from 2L to 5L (unsure over what time frame).Fuck COVID. If this is classed as a mild case, I do not want to see a severe case. I don’t want this shitty disease. I don’t want the post-viral effects. I don’t want to spread it before I’m symptomatic… if I even become symptomatic.
Who would want to be sick in the first place?
The costs of post covid syndromes could be yuge.
Divine Angel said:
I was reading today on a private forum, so I can’t repost here, a post from someone in the US with COVID. They have a mild case, yet report feeling like an elephant is sitting on their chest. They’re sleeping 20 hours a day. They are already immunocompromised (didn’t say why) and their O2 tank usage has been jacked up from 2L to 5L (unsure over what time frame).Fuck COVID. If this is classed as a mild case, I do not want to see a severe case. I don’t want this shitty disease. I don’t want the post-viral effects. I don’t want to spread it before I’m symptomatic… if I even become symptomatic.
Who would want to be sick in the first place?
I would say that it is NOT a mild case, if they are oxygen and confined to bed for 20 hours of the day.
Divine Angel said:
I was reading today on a private forum, so I can’t repost here, a post from someone in the US with COVID. They have a mild case, yet report feeling like an elephant is sitting on their chest. They’re sleeping 20 hours a day. They are already immunocompromised (didn’t say why) and their O2 tank usage has been jacked up from 2L to 5L (unsure over what time frame).Fuck COVID. If this is classed as a mild case, I do not want to see a severe case. I don’t want this shitty disease. I don’t want the post-viral effects. I don’t want to spread it before I’m symptomatic… if I even become symptomatic.
Who would want to be sick in the first place?
Covid is to the normal Flu as the intercontinental ballistic missile is to the snide remark. Some of the people who are surviving it in Australia are only doing so after spending long periods on ECMO (heart/lung bypass).
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
I was reading today on a private forum, so I can’t repost here, a post from someone in the US with COVID. They have a mild case, yet report feeling like an elephant is sitting on their chest. They’re sleeping 20 hours a day. They are already immunocompromised (didn’t say why) and their O2 tank usage has been jacked up from 2L to 5L (unsure over what time frame).Fuck COVID. If this is classed as a mild case, I do not want to see a severe case. I don’t want this shitty disease. I don’t want the post-viral effects. I don’t want to spread it before I’m symptomatic… if I even become symptomatic.
Who would want to be sick in the first place?
I would say that it is NOT a mild case, if they are oxygen and confined to bed for 20 hours of the day.
That’s not even an intrusive intervention!
It gets a lot worse than that….
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
I was reading today on a private forum, so I can’t repost here, a post from someone in the US with COVID. They have a mild case, yet report feeling like an elephant is sitting on their chest. They’re sleeping 20 hours a day. They are already immunocompromised (didn’t say why) and their O2 tank usage has been jacked up from 2L to 5L (unsure over what time frame).Fuck COVID. If this is classed as a mild case, I do not want to see a severe case. I don’t want this shitty disease. I don’t want the post-viral effects. I don’t want to spread it before I’m symptomatic… if I even become symptomatic.
Who would want to be sick in the first place?
I would say that it is NOT a mild case, if they are oxygen and confined to bed for 20 hours of the day.
Yea, that’s not mild and they have a pre existing risk for worserer outcomes considering immune system issues.
poikilotherm said:
party_pants said:Rule 303 said:
Divine Angel said:
I was reading today on a private forum, so I can’t repost here, a post from someone in the US with COVID. They have a mild case, yet report feeling like an elephant is sitting on their chest. They’re sleeping 20 hours a day. They are already immunocompromised (didn’t say why) and their O2 tank usage has been jacked up from 2L to 5L (unsure over what time frame).Fuck COVID. If this is classed as a mild case, I do not want to see a severe case. I don’t want this shitty disease. I don’t want the post-viral effects. I don’t want to spread it before I’m symptomatic… if I even become symptomatic.
Who would want to be sick in the first place?
Covid is to the normal Flu as the intercontinental ballistic missile is to the snide remark. Some of the people who are surviving it in Australia are only doing so after spending long periods on ECMO (heart/lung bypass).
I would say that it is NOT a mild case, if they are oxygen and confined to bed for 20 hours of the day.
Yea, that’s not mild and they have a pre existing risk for worserer outcomes considering immune system issues.
well yeah like they’re still alive
When Georgia Mooney was diagnosed with COVID-19 in March after returning from the UK, she was not too concerned.
Key points:
Georgia Mooney, 31, is still experiencing coronavirus symptoms four months after first being diagnosed
Mirabai Nicholson-McKellar is in her 30s and also still having coronavirus symptoms four months on
Studies into the long-term impact of COVID-19 on patients are being carried out around the world
“Given that I’m 31 and otherwise healthy, I sort of had the attitude that, ‘oh, this will be fine, it will probably be just a couple of weeks of feeling sick and then I’ll be reasonably back to normal’,” she told 7.30.
The singer-songwriter was very wrong.
She is among the group of COVID-19 patients who experience a drawn out and distressing recovery period with unpredictable, lingering symptoms.
Doctors still cannot tell her why, or what to expect next.
Ms Mooney had planned to spend 2020 overseas furthering her solo career, but she has moved back in with her parents in suburban Sydney to recover.
“If I knew then what I know now about the virus, I would be really scared,” she said.
“I’m glad in a way, although that sounds a bit crazy, I’m glad I was a bit ignorant at the start otherwise I probably would have spiralled in terms of my mental health a bit more.”
Ms Mooney said she had “the full gamut of symptoms: fevers, night sweats, fatigue, aching muscles … a sore throat and a crazy headache”.
Almost four months later, the symptoms linger.
“I have got daily chest pain and shortness of breath, and a feeling of a constricted chest,” she said.
“I can’t exert myself too much. I can go for a walk every day but nothing beyond that.
“It’s scary.
“I’m a musician and a singer, and I haven’t been able to sing very much at all because of the breathing issues.”
more. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/georgia-thought-her-coronavirus-would-last-a-couple-of-weeks/12444716
Two nerds talks about vaccine progress as one has finished phase one testing
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2025293
Arts said:
Georgia Mooney, 31, is still experiencing coronavirus symptoms four months after first being diagnosed
Mirabai Nicholson-McKellar is in her 30s and also still having coronavirus symptoms four months on“It’s scary.
“I’m a musician and a singer, and I haven’t been able to sing very much at all because of the breathing issues.”
more. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/georgia-thought-her-coronavirus-would-last-a-couple-of-weeks/12444716
anecdote
CDC director says we could control coronavirus in 4 to 8 weeks if everyone wore a maskBY MARK PYGAS
UPDATED 1 DAY AGO
CDC Director Robert Redfield has called for “universal masking” in the United States in an attempt to control the spread of coronavirus. Redfield added that if everyone in the United States wore a mask, the pandemic could be brought under control in a matter of months.
https://megaphone.upworthy.com/p/redfield-mask
dv said:
CDC director says we could control coronavirus in 4 to 8 weeks if everyone wore a maskBY MARK PYGASUPDATED 1 DAY AGO
CDC Director Robert Redfield has called for “universal masking” in the United States in an attempt to control the spread of coronavirus. Redfield added that if everyone in the United States wore a mask, the pandemic could be brought under control in a matter of months.
https://megaphone.upworthy.com/p/redfield-mask
how much is “under control”
The province’s police watchdog is investigating a fatal police-involved shooting in Haliburton County that started with a report about a man who was refusing to wear a mask at a grocery store.
The incident started at a Valu-mart on Highway 35 in the township of Minden, and ended around 40 kilometres away near a residence on Indian Point Road, east of the Village of Haliburton.
Ontario Provincial Police said that officers were called to the grocery store at around 8 a.m. following a report that there was a man who was refusing to wear a mask and had assaulted several people at the store.
“He refused to wear a mask at the store. He was refused service and the assault happened thereafter. So our people became involved with that initial assault investigation and follow-up,” OPP Sgt. Jason Folz said.
According to the Special Investigations Unit (SIU), which has invoked its mandate, the man left the store and was followed for a short period of time by an officer.
Using the vehicle’s licence plate, officers tracked the man to a home on Indian Point Road.
“Officers attended there, where shots were fired. Additional OPP resources were brought in and ultimately a 73-year-old male was transported to hospital, where he died,” Folz said.
According to the SIU, two officers fired their guns.
https://beta.cp24.com/news/2020/7/15/1_5025475.html
sarahs mum said:
The province’s police watchdog is investigating a fatal police-involved shooting in Haliburton County that started with a report about a man who was refusing to wear a mask at a grocery store.The incident started at a Valu-mart on Highway 35 in the township of Minden, and ended around 40 kilometres away near a residence on Indian Point Road, east of the Village of Haliburton.
Ontario Provincial Police said that officers were called to the grocery store at around 8 a.m. following a report that there was a man who was refusing to wear a mask and had assaulted several people at the store.
“He refused to wear a mask at the store. He was refused service and the assault happened thereafter. So our people became involved with that initial assault investigation and follow-up,” OPP Sgt. Jason Folz said.
According to the Special Investigations Unit (SIU), which has invoked its mandate, the man left the store and was followed for a short period of time by an officer.
Using the vehicle’s licence plate, officers tracked the man to a home on Indian Point Road.
“Officers attended there, where shots were fired. Additional OPP resources were brought in and ultimately a 73-year-old male was transported to hospital, where he died,” Folz said.
According to the SIU, two officers fired their guns.
Death before liberty?
Let’s play with statistics, shall we?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-means-just-four-cases-of-flu-in-act-this-season/12460854
There is a lot less flu this season (so far, we are barely halfway through the season, as it runs until September at least). That would be because of hand washing/sanitizing and fluvax takeup.
I had a look at confirmed flu cases per 100,000 so far this season for ACT: 44.9
Confirmed COVID19 cases per 100,000 so far this season for ACT: 26.9
According to the official figures there have been 189 confirmed flu notifications so far. The ABC piece reduces this by just concentrating on the past three months. I suspect less flu testing has been happening of late. These tables are Very Interesting (I have linked them here before). I like the per 100,000 tables best, but there are simple numbers in the first set.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2_sel.cfm
I see Brazil passed 3 million cases yesterday, and India 2 million.
India cases/day still curving steadily upwards.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see Brazil passed 3 million cases yesterday, and India 2 million.India cases/day still curving steadily upwards.
?
About 2 million and 1 million respectively, according to worldometers.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see Brazil passed 3 million cases yesterday, and India 2 million.India cases/day still curving steadily upwards.
?
About 2 million and 1 million respectively, according to worldometers.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Someone sneakily moved Rev’s keyboard
dv said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see Brazil passed 3 million cases yesterday, and India 2 million.India cases/day still curving steadily upwards.
?
About 2 million and 1 million respectively, according to worldometers.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Someone sneakily moved Rev’s keyboard
Ha!
:)
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see Brazil passed 3 million cases yesterday, and India 2 million.India cases/day still curving steadily upwards.
?
About 2 million and 1 million respectively, according to worldometers.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
OK.
Damn time machine playing up again.
fourteen moolion………. fourteen moolion………. do I hear fourteen moolion……….
fourteen moolion going once……….. fourteen moolion going twice
Woodie said:
fourteen moolion………. fourteen moolion………. do I hear fourteen moolion……….fourteen moolion going once……….. fourteen moolion going twice
Pubs are open across Ireland from today but you must wear a mask.
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
fourteen moolion………. fourteen moolion………. do I hear fourteen moolion……….fourteen moolion going once……….. fourteen moolion going twice
Pubs are open across Ireland from today but you must wear a mask.
I’ve never tried drinking Guinness through a straw.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
fourteen moolion………. fourteen moolion………. do I hear fourteen moolion……….fourteen moolion going once……….. fourteen moolion going twice
Pubs are open across Ireland from today but you must wear a mask.
I’ve never tried drinking Guinness through a straw.
Porridge through a straw, so are the days of our lives
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
fourteen moolion………. fourteen moolion………. do I hear fourteen moolion……….fourteen moolion going once……….. fourteen moolion going twice
Pubs are open across Ireland from today but you must wear a mask.
Is that how they strain the guinness?
Woodie said:
fourteen moolion………. fourteen moolion………. do I hear fourteen moolion……….fourteen moolion going once……….. fourteen moolion going twice
G’donya…
:)
428 new cases in Victoria
Holy!
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta Mayor over mask mandate, a day after banning local mask mandates in the state
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https://www.businessinsider.com.au/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-bans-localities-from-making-mask-mandates-2020-7
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp banned local mask mandates in an executive order signed Wednesday, while other states have implemented mask mandates amid record-high surges in coronavirus cases across the US.“Any state, county, or municipal law, order, ordinance, rule, or regulation that requires persons to wear face coverings, masks, face shields, or any other Personal Protective Equipment while in places of public accommodation or on public property are suspended,” as written in the executive order.Georgia recorded more than 3,870 new coronavirus infections on Wednesday, with over 127,800 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state.Kemp’s executive order came after Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had also signed an executive order last week mandating masks in the state’s largest city.
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Wwwwwhat
Fresh daily record for new cases in the US, 73388
dv said:
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta Mayor over mask mandate, a day after banning local mask mandates in the state—-
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-bans-localities-from-making-mask-mandates-2020-7Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp banned local mask mandates in an executive order signed Wednesday, while other states have implemented mask mandates amid record-high surges in coronavirus cases across the US.“Any state, county, or municipal law, order, ordinance, rule, or regulation that requires persons to wear face coverings, masks, face shields, or any other Personal Protective Equipment while in places of public accommodation or on public property are suspended,” as written in the executive order.Georgia recorded more than 3,870 new coronavirus infections on Wednesday, with over 127,800 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state.Kemp’s executive order came after Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had also signed an executive order last week mandating masks in the state’s largest city.
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Wwwwwhat
He’s not up for re-election in November so he’s not obviously playing to his base.
dv said:
Fresh daily record for new cases in the US, 73388
Florida has more than tripled it’s number of cases in one month.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta Mayor over mask mandate, a day after banning local mask mandates in the state—-
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-bans-localities-from-making-mask-mandates-2020-7Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp banned local mask mandates in an executive order signed Wednesday, while other states have implemented mask mandates amid record-high surges in coronavirus cases across the US.“Any state, county, or municipal law, order, ordinance, rule, or regulation that requires persons to wear face coverings, masks, face shields, or any other Personal Protective Equipment while in places of public accommodation or on public property are suspended,” as written in the executive order.Georgia recorded more than 3,870 new coronavirus infections on Wednesday, with over 127,800 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state.Kemp’s executive order came after Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had also signed an executive order last week mandating masks in the state’s largest city.
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Wwwwwhat
He’s not up for re-election in November so he’s not obviously playing to his base.
oh cool so he’s just an arsehole
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta Mayor over mask mandate, a day after banning local mask mandates in the state—-
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-bans-localities-from-making-mask-mandates-2020-7Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp banned local mask mandates in an executive order signed Wednesday, while other states have implemented mask mandates amid record-high surges in coronavirus cases across the US.“Any state, county, or municipal law, order, ordinance, rule, or regulation that requires persons to wear face coverings, masks, face shields, or any other Personal Protective Equipment while in places of public accommodation or on public property are suspended,” as written in the executive order.Georgia recorded more than 3,870 new coronavirus infections on Wednesday, with over 127,800 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state.Kemp’s executive order came after Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had also signed an executive order last week mandating masks in the state’s largest city.
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Wwwwwhat
He’s not up for re-election in November so he’s not obviously playing to his base.
oh cool so he’s just an arsehole
So maintenance workers with cutting tools aren’t allowed to wear face ptotection when cutting stuff in public places like city streets?
dv said:
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta Mayor over mask mandate, a day after banning local mask mandates in the state—-
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-bans-localities-from-making-mask-mandates-2020-7Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp banned local mask mandates in an executive order signed Wednesday, while other states have implemented mask mandates amid record-high surges in coronavirus cases across the US.“Any state, county, or municipal law, order, ordinance, rule, or regulation that requires persons to wear face coverings, masks, face shields, or any other Personal Protective Equipment while in places of public accommodation or on public property are suspended,” as written in the executive order.Georgia recorded more than 3,870 new coronavirus infections on Wednesday, with over 127,800 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state.Kemp’s executive order came after Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had also signed an executive order last week mandating masks in the state’s largest city.
——
Wwwwwhat
I am at a loss.
Nincompoop.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta Mayor over mask mandate, a day after banning local mask mandates in the state—-
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-bans-localities-from-making-mask-mandates-2020-7Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp banned local mask mandates in an executive order signed Wednesday, while other states have implemented mask mandates amid record-high surges in coronavirus cases across the US.“Any state, county, or municipal law, order, ordinance, rule, or regulation that requires persons to wear face coverings, masks, face shields, or any other Personal Protective Equipment while in places of public accommodation or on public property are suspended,” as written in the executive order.Georgia recorded more than 3,870 new coronavirus infections on Wednesday, with over 127,800 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state.Kemp’s executive order came after Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had also signed an executive order last week mandating masks in the state’s largest city.
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Wwwwwhat
I am at a loss.
Nincompoop.
maybe Sweden were right
How’s it going against other transmissible diseases so far this year?
7,060,810 Communicable disease deaths this year 914,332 Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year 592,673 Deaths caused by Covid-19 this year 533,505 Deaths caused by malaria this yearIt’s overtaken malaria.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sues Atlanta Mayor over mask mandate, a day after banning local mask mandates in the state—-
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-bans-localities-from-making-mask-mandates-2020-7Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp banned local mask mandates in an executive order signed Wednesday, while other states have implemented mask mandates amid record-high surges in coronavirus cases across the US.“Any state, county, or municipal law, order, ordinance, rule, or regulation that requires persons to wear face coverings, masks, face shields, or any other Personal Protective Equipment while in places of public accommodation or on public property are suspended,” as written in the executive order.Georgia recorded more than 3,870 new coronavirus infections on Wednesday, with over 127,800 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state.Kemp’s executive order came after Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms had also signed an executive order last week mandating masks in the state’s largest city.
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Wwwwwhat
I am at a loss.
Nincompoop.
maybe Sweden were right
Did Sweden call Governor Kemp a callous cunt?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/nsw-coronavirus-restrictions-extended-to-cafes-restaurants/12465492
The restrictions will be in place from July 24.
NSW chief medical officer Kerry Chant said there had been eight new cases diagnosed last night, including two people who were returning travellers in quarantine and six cases from community transmission.
An additional five cases were reported between 8:00pm and 9:00am this morning, with three of those linked to the Crossroads Hotel cluster.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:I am at a loss.
Nincompoop.
maybe Sweden were right
Did Sweden call Governor Kemp a callous cunt?
that wouldn’t be a maybe
but maybe they were right that they wouldn’t be able to force through compulsory public health measures in their current political climate so they did the best they could by going softly softly
we doubt it but it’s possible
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:maybe Sweden were right
Did Sweden call Governor Kemp a callous cunt?
that wouldn’t be a maybe
but maybe they were right that they wouldn’t be able to force through compulsory public health measures in their current political climate so they did the best they could by going softly softly
we doubt it but it’s possible
Is the political culture in Sweden so different from elsewhere in Scandinavia?
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Did Sweden call Governor Kemp a callous cunt?
that wouldn’t be a maybe
but maybe they were right that they wouldn’t be able to force through compulsory public health measures in their current political climate so they did the best they could by going softly softly
we doubt it but it’s possible
Is the political culture in Sweden so different from elsewhere in Scandinavia?
don’t know, there have been any number of (we believe spurious) justifications for why their approach was the correct one, and one of them was that they would not be able to legally introduce / enforce any public health restrictions
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:that wouldn’t be a maybe
but maybe they were right that they wouldn’t be able to force through compulsory public health measures in their current political climate so they did the best they could by going softly softly
we doubt it but it’s possible
Is the political culture in Sweden so different from elsewhere in Scandinavia?
don’t know, there have been any number of (we believe spurious) justifications for why their approach was the correct one, and one of them was that they would not be able to legally introduce / enforce any public health restrictions
Objectively, though, it was not the right one, as they have one of the worst death rates in the world, 10 times worse than neighbouring Norway. I think they just done fucked up.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:maybe Sweden were right
Did Sweden call Governor Kemp a callous cunt?
that wouldn’t be a maybe
but maybe they were right that they wouldn’t be able to force through compulsory public health measures in their current political climate so they did the best they could by going softly softly
we doubt it but it’s possible
I read/heard in the news somewhere a Swedish health person saying the only thing really that they would have done different was sequester the elderly better at the beginning.
“The masks worn by two US hairdressers may have spared 139 clients from contracting COVID-19, a report from the US Centres for Disease Control (CDC) has found.
Contract tracing found none of the exposed customers, or their secondary contacts, had COVID-19 symptoms following two weeks of checks ups.
The hairdressers followed city and company policy that enforced the use of face masks.
However, the report found it was likely one hairdresser infected family members and a roommate, presumably after returning home and taking off their facemask.”
………………………………………………………………………………………………………
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/cdc-report-masks-may-limit-coronavirus-spread-hairdresser-us/12465958
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Is the political culture in Sweden so different from elsewhere in Scandinavia?
don’t know, there have been any number of (we believe spurious) justifications for why their approach was the correct one, and one of them was that they would not be able to legally introduce / enforce any public health restrictions
Objectively, though, it was not the right one, as they have one of the worst death rates in the world, 10 times worse than neighbouring Norway. I think they just done fucked up.
agreed but you know, their experts said so — and their people rallied behind the experts
seems that trust in experts isn’t enough and increasing critical thinking capacity among the population might have helped
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Did Sweden call Governor Kemp a callous cunt?
that wouldn’t be a maybe
but maybe they were right that they wouldn’t be able to force through compulsory public health measures in their current political climate so they did the best they could by going softly softly
we doubt it but it’s possible
I read/heard in the news somewhere a Swedish health person saying the only thing really that they would have done different was sequester the elderly better at the beginning.
would we say that increasingly the evidence suggests that partial restrictions make things complex and difficult to delineate and therefore far less effective than they would seem to be on paper
Michael V said:
“The masks worn by two US hairdressers may have spared 139 clients from contracting COVID-19, a report from the US Centres for Disease Control (CDC) has found.Contract tracing found none of the exposed customers, or their secondary contacts, had COVID-19 symptoms following two weeks of checks ups.
The hairdressers followed city and company policy that enforced the use of face masks.
However, the report found it was likely one hairdresser infected family members and a roommate, presumably after returning home and taking off their facemask.”
………………………………………………………………………………………………………
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/cdc-report-masks-may-limit-coronavirus-spread-hairdresser-us/12465958
anecdote
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:that wouldn’t be a maybe
but maybe they were right that they wouldn’t be able to force through compulsory public health measures in their current political climate so they did the best they could by going softly softly
we doubt it but it’s possible
I read/heard in the news somewhere a Swedish health person saying the only thing really that they would have done different was sequester the elderly better at the beginning.
would we say that increasingly the evidence suggests that partial restrictions make things complex and difficult to delineate and therefore far less effective than they would seem to be on paper
An article in ‘The Economist’ I think suggested that Sweden’s economy will suffer anyway so all they’ve achieved is higher death rates.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:don’t know, there have been any number of (we believe spurious) justifications for why their approach was the correct one, and one of them was that they would not be able to legally introduce / enforce any public health restrictions
Objectively, though, it was not the right one, as they have one of the worst death rates in the world, 10 times worse than neighbouring Norway. I think they just done fucked up.
agreed but you know, their experts said so — and their people rallied behind the experts
seems that trust in experts isn’t enough and increasing critical thinking capacity among the population might have helped
forgot to add, then there’s the added danger that example idiots in USSA go on to say, see, this is what they’re doing in Sweden, they’re special and it will work, we’re special too, everyone’s special
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“The masks worn by two US hairdressers may have spared 139 clients from contracting COVID-19, a report from the US Centres for Disease Control (CDC) has found.Contract tracing found none of the exposed customers, or their secondary contacts, had COVID-19 symptoms following two weeks of checks ups.
The hairdressers followed city and company policy that enforced the use of face masks.
However, the report found it was likely one hairdresser infected family members and a roommate, presumably after returning home and taking off their facemask.”
………………………………………………………………………………………………………
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/cdc-report-masks-may-limit-coronavirus-spread-hairdresser-us/12465958
anecdote
No. A study.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I read/heard in the news somewhere a Swedish health person saying the only thing really that they would have done different was sequester the elderly better at the beginning.
would we say that increasingly the evidence suggests that partial restrictions make things complex and difficult to delineate and therefore far less effective than they would seem to be on paper
An article in ‘The Economist’ I think suggested that Sweden’s economy will suffer anyway so all they’ve achieved is higher death rates.
no no no if the Economy (Must Grow) suffers the same amount now as any other country, then their per capita growth later will be higher ¡¡¡
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“The masks worn by two US hairdressers may have spared 139 clients from contracting COVID-19, a report from the US Centres for Disease Control (CDC) has found.Contract tracing found none of the exposed customers, or their secondary contacts, had COVID-19 symptoms following two weeks of checks ups.
The hairdressers followed city and company policy that enforced the use of face masks.
However, the report found it was likely one hairdresser infected family members and a roommate, presumably after returning home and taking off their facemask.”
………………………………………………………………………………………………………
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/cdc-report-masks-may-limit-coronavirus-spread-hairdresser-us/12465958
anecdote
No. A study.
You Çan’t Forcé Us To Believe That, We Have Rights And Will Defend Them
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“The masks worn by two US hairdressers may have spared 139 clients from contracting COVID-19, a report from the US Centres for Disease Control (CDC) has found.Contract tracing found none of the exposed customers, or their secondary contacts, had COVID-19 symptoms following two weeks of checks ups.
The hairdressers followed city and company policy that enforced the use of face masks.
However, the report found it was likely one hairdresser infected family members and a roommate, presumably after returning home and taking off their facemask.”
………………………………………………………………………………………………………
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/cdc-report-masks-may-limit-coronavirus-spread-hairdresser-us/12465958
anecdote
probably a useful one though, sketched out in there, in that account, is something about the prophylaxis of the need for continuity of hygiene barrier, and weakest links
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Objectively, though, it was not the right one, as they have one of the worst death rates in the world, 10 times worse than neighbouring Norway. I think they just done fucked up.
agreed but you know, their experts said so — and their people rallied behind the experts
seems that trust in experts isn’t enough and increasing critical thinking capacity among the population might have helped
forgot to add, then there’s the added danger that example idiots in USSA go on to say, see, this is what they’re doing in Sweden, they’re special and it will work, we’re special too, everyone’s special
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:would we say that increasingly the evidence suggests that partial restrictions make things complex and difficult to delineate and therefore far less effective than they would seem to be on paper
An article in ‘The Economist’ I think suggested that Sweden’s economy will suffer anyway so all they’ve achieved is higher death rates.
no no no if the Economy (Must Grow) suffers the same amount now as any other country, then their per capita growth later will be higher ¡¡¡
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:anecdote
No. A study.
You Çan’t Forcé Us To Believe That, We Have Rights And Will Defend Them
OK…
Hmm..I didn’t realize world in data had a section on excess mortality.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Tamb said:
Because they will have a smaller “capita”?
Tamb said:
The USSA are more likely to say “they’re special and it will work, but not as special as us so it will work better here.”
^^
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/unreliable-data-doubt-snowballed-covid-19-drug-research-surgisphere-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine
interesting story.
With so many people buying toilet paper to clean their nose for flu.
Is there any risk of shared toilet rolls spreading covid19 ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
With so many people buying toilet paper to clean their nose for flu.Is there any risk of shared toilet rolls spreading covid19 ?
Covid19 can easily be detected in faeces apparently.
Dude on the radio was saying you could open up international travel again if you submitted a sample a couple of days before the flight, no need for any quarantining.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
With so many people buying toilet paper to clean their nose for flu.Is there any risk of shared toilet rolls spreading covid19 ?
Covid19 can easily be detected in faeces apparently.
Dude on the radio was saying you could open up international travel again if you submitted a sample a couple of days before the flight, no need for any quarantining.
I poo poo that idea
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
With so many people buying toilet paper to clean their nose for flu.Is there any risk of shared toilet rolls spreading covid19 ?
Covid19 can easily be detected in faeces apparently.
Dude on the radio was saying you could open up international travel again if you submitted a sample a couple of days before the flight, no need for any quarantining.
I hate doing no 2 samples
someone needs to find a better way
like a sample gun type thing you place on your bum
just before a no 2 put the sample gun on your bum pull the trigger and it takes a sample
something like that.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
With so many people buying toilet paper to clean their nose for flu.Is there any risk of shared toilet rolls spreading covid19 ?
Covid19 can easily be detected in faeces apparently.
Dude on the radio was saying you could open up international travel again if you submitted a sample a couple of days before the flight, no need for any quarantining.
I hate doing no 2 samples
someone needs to find a better way
like a sample gun type thing you place on your bum
just before a no 2 put the sample gun on your bum pull the trigger and it takes a sample
something like that.
You’re an ideas man.
On Sunday, Florida recorded its highest single-day count of 15,299 cases, smashing records set by New York and California.
Three days later, it recorded its highest single-day death count with 132 lives lost to COVID-19, sending the total number of deaths in the state above 4,500.
To put that in perspective, this week a Floridian died from this disease roughly every 11 minutes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/florida-governors-trump-loyalty-may-be-driving-coronavirus-rise/12460684
Looks like wearing masks will become the norm in some places
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
We need more mental homes for people like that.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
We need more mental homes for people like that.
I would think criminal charges would be warranted.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:Covid19 can easily be detected in faeces apparently.
Dude on the radio was saying you could open up international travel again if you submitted a sample a couple of days before the flight, no need for any quarantining.
I hate doing no 2 samples
someone needs to find a better way
like a sample gun type thing you place on your bum
just before a no 2 put the sample gun on your bum pull the trigger and it takes a sample
something like that.
You’re an ideas man.
Some ideas go off the rails, some stay on the rails.
I dont like getting to much ego so I keep it under check.
It helps to focus on ideas then, ego is wasted energy IMO.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I hate doing no 2 samples
someone needs to find a better way
like a sample gun type thing you place on your bum
just before a no 2 put the sample gun on your bum pull the trigger and it takes a sample
something like that.
You’re an ideas man.
Some ideas go off the rails, some stay on the rails.
I dont like getting to much ego so I keep it under check.
It helps to focus on ideas then, ego is wasted energy IMO.
That’s the way.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
What the fuck
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
Must be a fake – I don’t see 5G mentioned anywhere.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
We need more mental homes for people like that.
everyone can have their own printing press these days (printer), plus TV station (social media), these are wonderful times, liberating times, many people do breed, their parents did too, and how fortunate, the contribution to the diversity of life, the abundance and all, there are so many, like a beautiful field of varied flowers
sarahs mum said:
On Sunday, Florida recorded its highest single-day count of 15,299 cases, smashing records set by New York and California.Three days later, it recorded its highest single-day death count with 132 lives lost to COVID-19, sending the total number of deaths in the state above 4,500.
To put that in perspective, this week a Floridian died from this disease roughly every 11 minutes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/florida-governors-trump-loyalty-may-be-driving-coronavirus-rise/12460684
It’s a pretty sad state of affairs.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
I hope they catch the person who did this and throw the book at them.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
I hope they catch the person who did this and throw the book at them.
at least the related link has some good news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-means-just-four-cases-of-flu-in-act-this-season/12460854
Due to coronavirus, there have been just four confirmed cases of the flu this season in the ACT
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
I hope they catch the person who did this and throw the book at them.
at least the related link has some good news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-means-just-four-cases-of-flu-in-act-this-season/12460854
Due to coronavirus, there have been just four confirmed cases of the flu this season in the ACT
meanwhile another idiocy
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:I hope they catch the person who did this and throw the book at them.
at least the related link has some good news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-means-just-four-cases-of-flu-in-act-this-season/12460854
Due to coronavirus, there have been just four confirmed cases of the flu this season in the ACT
meanwhile another idiocy
fuck.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:I hope they catch the person who did this and throw the book at them.
at least the related link has some good news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-means-just-four-cases-of-flu-in-act-this-season/12460854
Due to coronavirus, there have been just four confirmed cases of the flu this season in the ACT
meanwhile another idiocy
Ruddy ‘eck!
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/act-conspiracy-theory-coronavirus-letter-delivered-to-canberrans/12465162
I hope they catch the person who did this and throw the book at them.
at least the related link has some good news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-means-just-four-cases-of-flu-in-act-this-season/12460854
Due to coronavirus, there have been just four confirmed cases of the flu this season in the ACT
Actually, it doesn’t say that:
>>So far in 2020, there have been 189 confirmed cases of flu in Canberra, but nearly all of those were recorded in the first two months of the year.<<
There have been 4 cases in the last 12 weeks. Sure, hand washing etc helps here. But I think we might need to compare year to date, and know how much testing is happening for flu. Depends how you want to define “season”.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:I hope they catch the person who did this and throw the book at them.
at least the related link has some good news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-means-just-four-cases-of-flu-in-act-this-season/12460854
Due to coronavirus, there have been just four confirmed cases of the flu this season in the ACT
Actually, it doesn’t say that:
>>So far in 2020, there have been 189 confirmed cases of flu in Canberra, but nearly all of those were recorded in the first two months of the year.<<
There have been 4 cases in the last 12 weeks. Sure, hand washing etc helps here. But I think we might need to compare year to date, and know how much testing is happening for flu. Depends how you want to define “season”.
for the value comparison it’s probably fair to compare before and after restrictions, rather than all year regardless of, but yes definitions
All major causes death around the world to today.
We’ve seen this before, but not recently:
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/
Rule 303 said:
All major causes death around the world to today.We’ve seen this before, but not recently:
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/
Where is “old age/wearing out”?
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
All major causes death around the world to today.We’ve seen this before, but not recently:
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/
Where is “old age/wearing out”?
Yeah, there’s a lot of things missing. Heart disease, cancer, stroke, dementia, COPD.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
All major causes death around the world to today.We’ve seen this before, but not recently:
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/
Where is “old age/wearing out”?
That’s not a cause of death.
dv said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
All major causes death around the world to today.We’ve seen this before, but not recently:
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/
Where is “old age/wearing out”?
That’s not a cause of death.
Nor is diabetes. It is usually some other condition that gets ya, in which diabetes is a contributing factor.
Should be noted that this graphic does not include the major causes of death: heart disease, cancer, ischaemic stroke.
it’s only purpose is to show how fast and voluminous COVID deaths occurred. so we can go. “ooohhh. look at that COVID go.. nasty – wear a mask you fucking idiots”. or something to that effect.
Arts said:
it’s only purpose is to show how fast and voluminous COVID deaths occurred. so we can go. “ooohhh. look at that COVID go.. nasty – wear a mask you fucking idiots”. or something to that effect.
Yeah but…. lies in a good cause are still lies.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
it’s only purpose is to show how fast and voluminous COVID deaths occurred. so we can go. “ooohhh. look at that COVID go.. nasty – wear a mask you fucking idiots”. or something to that effect.
Yeah but…. lies in a good cause are still lies.
or cherry-picking facts, or misinformation, or distortion … etc
Heart disease causes 600000 deaths in the US per annum: cancer about 500000.
It’s a reasonable bet that Covid-19 was the biggest cause of death in the US in the month of May but it will probably need to get its skates on if it wants to take the gold medal over the whole year. Like it would need to average something like 2800 per day for the remainder of the year.
dv said:
Heart disease causes 600000 deaths in the US per annum: cancer about 500000.It’s a reasonable bet that Covid-19 was the biggest cause of death in the US in the month of May but it will probably need to get its skates on if it wants to take the gold medal over the whole year. Like it would need to average something like 2800 per day for the remainder of the year.
Hold my beer
like yeah, it’s fair, think of how many unfortunate privileged rich fuckwits this COVID-19 thing has saved, granting them a brief drugged up death on a ventilator instead of recurrent episodes of suffering with heart failure in hospital or endless rounds of chemotherapy or amputation after amputation because of diabetes, we mean, damn
Victoria has recorded 428 new coronavirus cases, the highest daily increase since the pandemic began, and another three people have died from the virus.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-melbourne-doctor-suppression-or-elimination/12462518
However, we have not heard enough about the impact pursuing a suppression strategy has on nurses and doctors on the front line. As a frontline doctor in Victoria’s fight against the virus, my view is that the rate of health care worker infection is unsustainable. Completely ignoring the fact that immunity could happen, of course. Before we even get to the fact that immunity is not guaranteed to last very long.
If suppression has failed in Victoria, one of the most cautious states, it can fail anywhere. From my own perspective — widely shared by my colleagues — suppression cannot win. Coexisting with COVID-19 means lives lost, repeated lockdown and gripping uncertainty, which will take a giant toll on our collective mental health and undermine the confidence necessary for economic recovery. Suppression has failed because it underestimates this virus, it overestimates our ability to control it, and it fundamentally misunderstands human nature.
Ultimately we have been let down by a flawed strategy. Would you dine in a cafe or send your child to school knowing that a grassfire was “under observation” nearby? Nor should we do the same with COVID-19. Now is the time to reassess our strategy. To ask, do we open prematurely and risk this happening again? Or do we grit our teeth and lock down until we have eliminated the virus?For nations where COVID-19 has killed thousands, elimination is no longer an option. But, as evidenced in New Zealand and other parts of Australia, we still have that chance.
Advocates of suppression present us with a false dichotomy between suppression and elimination. Elimination doesn’t mean we can go back to our pre-COVID lives. We must still maintain all of the same safeguards of a suppression strategy. But, if we aim to eliminate the virus first, we can save lives, we can save jobs and we can all sleep easier at night.
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
SCIENCE said:
Are We Fucked? Fuck You Prime Minister, We’re About To Be Fucked
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Are We Fucked? Fuck You Prime Minister, We’re About To Be Fucked
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
So does this mean they’re going to do the whole “DEMOCRACY” thing and work remotely while expecting the True Aussie Battlers to go the hard yards and turn up at work ¿ They’re going to send their opinions by mail while the rest of us are told not to postal vote ¿
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Are We Fucked? Fuck You Prime Minister, We’re About To Be Fucked
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
So does this mean they’re going to do the whole “DEMOCRACY” thing and work remotely while expecting the True Aussie Battlers to go the hard yards and turn up at work ¿ They’re going to send their opinions by mail while the rest of us are told not to postal vote ¿
you do have a way with words.
:-)
A worker and two customers at the Thai Rock restaurant, at Stockland Mall in Wetherill Park, have tested positive to COVID-19. The cluster has not yet been genomically linked to the outbreak at the Crossroads Hotel at Casula, from which 42 people have contracted the virus.
The cluster emerged after Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced a tranche of restrictions on gatherings, including a new 150-person limit at weddings, while funerals and church services will be capped at 100 people. The measures, which will be effective from next Friday, will also include an extension on the 10-person limit on group bookings at pubs, announced earlier this week, to restaurants, cafes and bars.
NSW Health also announced its contact tracing team had expanded to more than 380 from just six employees at the start of the pandemic in an effort to have close contacts of all new cases isolated for the full incubation period of 14 days.
What we didn’t hear was that Every Job Is Essential And Contact Tracer Is The Most Essential Job So We Should Let This Spread Further Out Of Hand To Justify Employing More Contact Tracers!
Leeder himself believes that “elimination is not possible if you’re living in a world where the infective agent is present everywhere. It’s an infeasible notion, epidemiologically and economically.”
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Prime Minister Scott Morrison are of similar mind, with Berejiklian telling the ABC’s 7.30 “every time we have an outbreak we can’t afford to lock down, reopen, lock down, reopen. That is no way to live, and it’s no way to be able to instil confidence to businesses to keep employing people.” It would be “dishonest”, she added, “much as we would love to have elimination… it’s not going to happen in NSW. It never will … with a population our size”.
The bullshitartists would have us all believe that New Zealand, with a population of 5M Homo, and Vietnam, with a population of 95M Homo, can do it — but New South Wales, with a population of 7.5M Homo, simply can’t. Never. Ever.
Yet there are plenty of well-credentialled voices arguing for a strategy that would have elimination as the end game. They include Professors Greg Dore (Sydney University), Tony Blakely (Melbourne University), Stephen Duckett (now of the Grattan Institute and a former head of the federal health department) and Professor Nick Talley, editor-in-chief of The Medical Journal of Australia.
Perhaps when our healthcare professionals say “Enough Of This Shit Is Enough” and walk out of our hospitals, we can rejoice and join the Axis Powers Of The Modern World in their race to the bottom top of the COVID-19 league tables.
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
So does this mean they’re going to do the whole “DEMOCRACY” thing and work remotely while expecting the True Aussie Battlers to go the hard yards and turn up at work ¿ They’re going to send their opinions by mail while the rest of us are told not to postal vote ¿
you do have a way with words.
:-)
know but seriously, are they going to be the biggest hypocritical dickheads and “represent” us by hiding while everyone else throws COVID-19 parties or what are we actually missing
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Are We Fucked? Fuck You Prime Minister, We’re About To Be Fucked
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
Yeah…
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Are We Fucked? Fuck You Prime Minister, We’re About To Be Fucked
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
Yeah…
By Michael Doyle
Good morning Mick, here’s hoping for lower numbers out of Victoria today. I’m surprised, and dismayed actually, that federal cabinet is not going to meet. There’s too many important things on the horizon for them to take another break. For goodness sake, surely they can take necessary precautions, masks for instance, and include some digital technology.
-Deb
ScoMo cancelling parliament while he expects the rest of Australia to get back to work, either from home (if possible) or in person. Why can’t they hold a virtual parliamentary sitting? ScoMo is clearly just trying to avoid scrutiny of his failed suppression strategy.
-Frustrated
Why cancel federal parliament instead of doing a remote version? Surely getting some of the work done is better than nothing?
-In the hills
“US coronavirus data will now bypass the CDC and go straight to the White House. Here’s what this means for the world”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/us-coronavirus-data-white-house-what-it-means-for-the-world/12467322
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Yeah…
By Michael Doyle
Your response to Federal Parliament being cancelled
Many of you have written in with your opinions on today’s biggest stories.Here are some comments left by our readers on the issue of Federal Parliament being cancelled.Good morning Mick, here’s hoping for lower numbers out of Victoria today. I’m surprised, and dismayed actually, that federal cabinet is not going to meet. There’s too many important things on the horizon for them to take another break. For goodness sake, surely they can take necessary precautions, masks for instance, and include some digital technology.
-DebScoMo cancelling parliament while he expects the rest of Australia to get back to work, either from home (if possible) or in person. Why can’t they hold a virtual parliamentary sitting? ScoMo is clearly just trying to avoid scrutiny of his failed suppression strategy.
-FrustratedWhy cancel federal parliament instead of doing a remote version? Surely getting some of the work done is better than nothing?
-In the hills
Seems so…
Michael V said:
“US coronavirus data will now bypass the CDC and go straight to the White House. Here’s what this means for the world”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/us-coronavirus-data-white-house-what-it-means-for-the-world/12467322
The CDC has erred during the pandemic, most significantly in its initial efforts to develop a test for COVID-19. The testing kits proved to be faulty — a problem compounded by sluggish efforts to rectify the situation — and then by severe delays in distributing enough tests to the public. We thought it was all faulty West Taiwanese tests though ¿
Anyway, more seriously: will there be an underground trade in epidemic information now (more than ever), to Save Us From This Stupidity ¿
Michael V said:
“US coronavirus data will now bypass the CDC and go straight to the White House. Here’s what this means for the world”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/us-coronavirus-data-white-house-what-it-means-for-the-world/12467322
It means the rest of the world will no longer trust their figures, travel bans on the US will stay in place for a long time.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“US coronavirus data will now bypass the CDC and go straight to the White House. Here’s what this means for the world”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/us-coronavirus-data-white-house-what-it-means-for-the-world/12467322
The CDC has erred during the pandemic, most significantly in its initial efforts to develop a test for COVID-19. The testing kits proved to be faulty — a problem compounded by sluggish efforts to rectify the situation — and then by severe delays in distributing enough tests to the public. We thought it was all faulty West Taiwanese tests though ¿
Anyway, more seriously: will there be an underground trade in epidemic information now (more than ever), to Save Us From This Stupidity ¿
Maybe. But we can’t do anything about their messed up situation. Hopefully, the data collectors will note this idiocy and continue collecting data from the rest of the world.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
“US coronavirus data will now bypass the CDC and go straight to the White House. Here’s what this means for the world”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/us-coronavirus-data-white-house-what-it-means-for-the-world/12467322
It means the rest of the world will no longer trust their figures, travel bans on the US will stay in place for a long time.
Yes, as a minimum.
So, they said children were less infectious, so they said…
and
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1.full.pdf
“And now we wait — and wash our hands
Back in Sydney, all eyes are on the Crossroads Hotel cluster.
The Crossroads Hotel cluster is a test for the current strategy to control coronavirus.
It’s proving to be a live test for the current strategy to control coronavirus. It was caught at almost the earliest opportunity, when just two cases had been linked to it.
If even that can’t be caught up with, why would any other state or territory take the risk of opening borders before NSW and Victoria have also achieved local elimination?
If that were achieved then Australia’s only risk of fresh outbreaks would come from overseas.
That’s about as close to eradication as we would ever get without a vaccine.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
SCIENCE said:
So, they said children were less infectious, so they said…
and
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1.full.pdf
That looks like Effectively No Difference to me.
Michael V said:
“US coronavirus data will now bypass the CDC and go straight to the White House. Here’s what this means for the world”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/us-coronavirus-data-white-house-what-it-means-for-the-world/12467322
Apart from the WH doesn’t care and won’t release true numbers?
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
“US coronavirus data will now bypass the CDC and go straight to the White House. Here’s what this means for the world”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/us-coronavirus-data-white-house-what-it-means-for-the-world/12467322
It means the rest of the world will no longer trust their figures, travel bans on the US will stay in place for a long time.
Yes, as a minimum.
They’ll get a new president eventually. Whoever that ends up being, they are going to have a hell of a job rebuilding their country’s reputation.
217 more for Vic today, and 2 more deaths.
:-(
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:It means the rest of the world will no longer trust their figures, travel bans on the US will stay in place for a long time.
Yes, as a minimum.
They’ll get a new president eventually. Whoever that ends up being, they are going to have a hell of a job rebuilding their country’s reputation.
not necessarily, they could collapse or they could transition from nominal democracy to true autocracy or monarchy
Rule 303 said:
217 more for Vic today, and 2 more deaths.:-(
better than 500
Rule 303 said:
217 more for Vic today, and 2 more deaths.:-(
:(
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Are We Fucked? Fuck You Prime Minister, We’re About To Be Fucked
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
Why can’t they Zoom it like they expect everyone else to do?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/nsw-coronavirus-two-new-venues-added-to-danger-zones/12469298
The Crossroads Hotel is due to reopen tomorrow after it was ordered to close on July 10.
“The virus doesn’t hang around if the place is cleaned and if people who were infectious are no longer there so there’s no reason … that work can’t safely continue,” Dr McAnulty said.
SCIENCE said:
So, they said children were less infectious, so they said…
and
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1.full.pdf
I wonder why.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
So, they said children were less infectious, so they said…
and
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1.full.pdf
I wonder why.
to force disadvantaged children to continue going to school
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
So, they said children were less infectious, so they said…
and
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1.full.pdf
I wonder why.
to force disadvantaged children to continue going to school
It was the load vs age that I was wondering about.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder why.
to force disadvantaged children to continue going to school
It was the load vs age that I was wondering about.
Ah. Sorry.
Virus survives by spreading to new hosts. You might expect that it needs to reach higher concentrations in populations that are (A) less symptomatic or (B) less likely to run around to parties, to maintain its likelihood of spread. This seems to match (A) the very young and (B) the very old, as we see!
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder why.
to force disadvantaged children to continue going to school
It was the load vs age that I was wondering about.
It shows there is effectively no difference in viral load across different age groups, so our medical leaders need to change their advice.
The original guess – because youngsters on average have milder symptoms – was that their viral load was less. Reasonable, but wrong.
Record high new cases in the US yesterday at 74987.
Deaths is ticking up, averaging about 800 over the whole week, but not soaring up, overall.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:to force disadvantaged children to continue going to school
It was the load vs age that I was wondering about.
It shows there is effectively no difference in viral load across different age groups, so our medical leaders need to change their advice.
The original guess – because youngsters on average have milder symptoms – was that their viral load was less. Reasonable, but wrong.
Is it that reasonable though, if we understand symptoms as a consequence of immune response, then might not à lesser immune response be expected to correspond to à greater viral load ¿
dv said:
Record high new cases in the US yesterday at 74987.Deaths is ticking up, averaging about 800 over the whole week, but not soaring up, overall.
expect the numbers to fall sharply in the next couple of weeks.
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Are We Fucked? Fuck You Prime Minister, We’re About To Be Fucked
Unless he means eadicate the virus in the community so we don’t have to continually shut things down.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/coronavirus-in-nsw-victoria-shows-fracture-in-national-response/12468300
While accepting that Victoria’s outbreak is worse than he hoped it would be in this phase of the pandemic, Scott Morrison is sticking to the course.
“The best protection against the virus to live alongside the virus, and to open up your economy,” he said this week.
“You don’t protect your economy by continually shutting things down.”
Why can’t they Zoom it like they expect everyone else to do?
they’re boomers not zoomers
party_pants said:
dv said:
Record high new cases in the US yesterday at 74987.Deaths is ticking up, averaging about 800 over the whole week, but not soaring up, overall.
expect the numbers to fall sharply in the next couple of weeks.
okay I will.
Why?
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Record high new cases in the US yesterday at 74987.Deaths is ticking up, averaging about 800 over the whole week, but not soaring up, overall.
expect the numbers to fall sharply in the next couple of weeks.
okay I will.
Why?
Fudged numbers from now on from the US…
dv said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Why can’t they Zoom it like they expect everyone else to do?
they’re boomers not zoomers
isn’t there something in the constitution that says a certain number have to meet in person?
furious said:
dv said:
party_pants said:expect the numbers to fall sharply in the next couple of weeks.
okay I will.
Why?
Fudged numbers from now on from the US…
uh so they were trustworthy before ¿
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Record high new cases in the US yesterday at 74987.Deaths is ticking up, averaging about 800 over the whole week, but not soaring up, overall.
expect the numbers to fall sharply in the next couple of weeks.
okay I will.
Why?
Because the numbers will no longer be reported honestly by the White House.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
buffy said:Why can’t they Zoom it like they expect everyone else to do?
they’re boomers not zoomers
isn’t there something in the constitution that says a certain number have to meet in person?
Ian Richard: Section 22 and section 39 of the Constitution of Australia set the quorum for sittings of the House of Representatives and Senate at one-third of the whole number of MPs and senators, respectively, must be physically present.
You would need a referendum to change the Consitution to allow a virtual Parliament
ABC News FB
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:they’re boomers not zoomers
isn’t there something in the constitution that says a certain number have to meet in person?
Ian Richard: Section 22 and section 39 of the Constitution of Australia set the quorum for sittings of the House of Representatives and Senate at one-third of the whole number of MPs and senators, respectively, must be physically present.
You would need a referendum to change the Consitution to allow a virtual ParliamentABC News FB
bullshit, Zoom and other video conferencing software are built on the laws of physics
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:isn’t there something in the constitution that says a certain number have to meet in person?
Ian Richard: Section 22 and section 39 of the Constitution of Australia set the quorum for sittings of the House of Representatives and Senate at one-third of the whole number of MPs and senators, respectively, must be physically present.
You would need a referendum to change the Consitution to allow a virtual ParliamentABC News FB
bullshit, Zoom and other video conferencing software are built on the laws of physics
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
So, they said children were less infectious, so they said…
and
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1.full.pdf
I wonder why.
They are bags of germs with two openings to let them out.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/crunching-numbers-real-risks-dying-covid-19/
The state has also recorded 217 new cases, 205 of which are under investigation. Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said this was, “not an ordinary weekend” and urged people to stay at home.
Today’s number was a relief and, “much better than a number above 400,” Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said. “But it is a number that would have shocked us all a month ago. We need to remember it is still a high number,” he said.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/crunching-numbers-real-risks-dying-covid-19/
“This may be true, but it does rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country so far”, warns Dr Ellis.
True imperialists they are, no countries indeed, New Zealand is a British colony and Vietnam à French one. Oh and Northeast Tibet, a Taiwanese colony let’s not forget.
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_15.pdf
The percent of tests coming back positive is resolutely sticking around the 0.3% level.
buffy said:
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_15.pdfThe percent of tests coming back positive is resolutely sticking around the 0.3% level.
so you agree that all we need to do is less testing and abracadabra magic no more Melbourne disaster
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/crunching-numbers-real-risks-dying-covid-19/
“This may be true, but it does rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country so far”, warns Dr Ellis.
True imperialists they are, no countries indeed, New Zealand is a British colony and Vietnam à French one. Oh and Northeast Tibet, a Taiwanese colony let’s not forget.
Neither Vietnam nor China have achieved eradication:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/
The stats on China at worldometer appear to be wrong. There is no mention of the second small Beijing wave a month or so back.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/crunching-numbers-real-risks-dying-covid-19/
“This may be true, but it does rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country so far”, warns Dr Ellis.
True imperialists they are, no countries indeed, New Zealand is a British colony and Vietnam à French one. Oh and Northeast Tibet, a Taiwanese colony let’s not forget.
Neither Vietnam nor China have achieved eradication:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/
The stats on China at worldometer appear to be wrong. There is no mention of the second small Beijing wave a month or so back.
your definition of eradication or a reasonable definition
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:“This may be true, but it does rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country so far”, warns Dr Ellis.
True imperialists they are, no countries indeed, New Zealand is a British colony and Vietnam à French one. Oh and Northeast Tibet, a Taiwanese colony let’s not forget.
Neither Vietnam nor China have achieved eradication:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/
The stats on China at worldometer appear to be wrong. There is no mention of the second small Beijing wave a month or so back.
your definition of eradication or a reasonable definition
You’re the one constantly harping about eradication; what’s your definition?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Neither Vietnam nor China have achieved eradication:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/
The stats on China at worldometer appear to be wrong. There is no mention of the second small Beijing wave a month or so back.
your definition of eradication or a reasonable definition
You’re the one constantly harping about eradication; what’s your definition?
do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
security guards rooting returned travellers doesn’t count
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:your definition of eradication or a reasonable definition
You’re the one constantly harping about eradication; what’s your definition?
do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
security guards rooting returned travellers doesn’t count
So no new cases completely for at least a month? In that case as I said neither Vietnam or China have achieved eradication.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/crunching-numbers-real-risks-dying-covid-19/
“This may be true, but it does rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country so far”, warns Dr Ellis.
True imperialists they are, no countries indeed, New Zealand is a British colony and Vietnam à French one. Oh and Northeast Tibet, a Taiwanese colony let’s not forget.
Neither Vietnam nor China have achieved eradication:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/
The stats on China at worldometer appear to be wrong. There is no mention of the second small Beijing wave a month or so back.
your definition of eradication or a reasonable definition
You’re the one constantly harping about eradication; what’s your definition?
do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
security guards rooting returned travellers doesn’t count
anyway instead of this dishonest misdirection you would do well to check what was said, which was
rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country
so if that’s your definition of eradicate then do the decent thing and admit it
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re the one constantly harping about eradication; what’s your definition?
do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
security guards rooting returned travellers doesn’t count
So no new cases completely for at least a month? In that case as I said neither Vietnam or China have achieved eradication.
no local transmission would similar enough to uprooting to satisfy but hey what’s reasonable to us need not be reasonable to someone trying to argue against us
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:You’re the one constantly harping about eradication; what’s your definition?
do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
security guards rooting returned travellers doesn’t count
anyway instead of this dishonest misdirection you would do well to check what was said, which was
rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country
so if that’s your definition of eradicate then do the decent thing and admit it
What are you going on about? It was you who claimed that the above contention was wrong and cited China and Vietnam. You can’t change your own definition of eradication to suit your arguments.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
security guards rooting returned travellers doesn’t count
So no new cases completely for at least a month? In that case as I said neither Vietnam or China have achieved eradication.
no local transmission would similar enough to uprooting to satisfy but hey what’s reasonable to us need not be reasonable to someone trying to argue against us
So you’ve changed your definition of eradication compared to your posts in recent weeks?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
security guards rooting returned travellers doesn’t count
anyway instead of this dishonest misdirection you would do well to check what was said, which was
rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country
so if that’s your definition of eradicate then do the decent thing and admit it
What are you going on about? It was you who claimed that the above contention was wrong and cited China and Vietnam. You can’t change your own definition of eradication to suit your arguments.
show them where it said eradicate then because we didn’t see it so we leave it to the people who have the eyes thanks
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So no new cases completely for at least a month? In that case as I said neither Vietnam or China have achieved eradication.
no local transmission would similar enough to uprooting to satisfy but hey what’s reasonable to us need not be reasonable to someone trying to argue against us
So you’ve changed your definition of eradication compared to your posts in recent weeks?
no we’ve stuck with it, eradication never precluded new imports but go ahead and show them where we said it did
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:anyway instead of this dishonest misdirection you would do well to check what was said, which was
rely on our ability as a society to ‘cocoon’ and protect more vulnerable demographics: a feat not achieved by any country
so if that’s your definition of eradicate then do the decent thing and admit it
What are you going on about? It was you who claimed that the above contention was wrong and cited China and Vietnam. You can’t change your own definition of eradication to suit your arguments.
show them where it said eradicate then because we didn’t see it so we leave it to the people who have the eyes thanks
Going by your new definition QLD has achiebved eradication. Would you allow them to open the QLD economy right up again?
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:no local transmission would similar enough to uprooting to satisfy but hey what’s reasonable to us need not be reasonable to someone trying to argue against us
So you’ve changed your definition of eradication compared to your posts in recent weeks?
no we’ve stuck with it, eradication never precluded new imports but go ahead and show them where we said it did
For months you’ve been citing NZ as an example of eradication. Now suppression seems to be good enough for you.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What are you going on about? It was you who claimed that the above contention was wrong and cited China and Vietnam. You can’t change your own definition of eradication to suit your arguments.
show them where it said eradicate then because we didn’t see it so we leave it to the people who have the eyes thanks
Going by your new definition QLD has achiebved eradication. Would you allow them to open the QLD economy right up again?
change the subject but show them go on
going by our all along definition we agree that QLD has on balance of probability achieved eradication, and we agree that a probabilistically weighted reopening of economies would be reasonable, with greater opening as there comes greater certainty that eradication has occurred
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:show them where it said eradicate then because we didn’t see it so we leave it to the people who have the eyes thanks
Going by your new definition QLD has achiebved eradication. Would you allow them to open the QLD economy right up again?
change the subject but show them go on
going by our all along definition we agree that QLD has on balance of probability achieved eradication, and we agree that a probabilistically weighted reopening of economies would be reasonable, with greater opening as there comes greater certainty that eradication has occurred
You’re the one who has suddenly decided to adopt a new definition. You’ll be glad that we can reopen most of the Australian economy bar Victoria and NSW I guess.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you’ve changed your definition of eradication compared to your posts in recent weeks?
no we’ve stuck with it, eradication never precluded new imports but go ahead and show them where we said it did
For months you’ve been citing NZ as an example of eradication. Now suppression seems to be good enough for you.
don’t confuse us with articles that you are fanatical over, we’ve been citing NZ as an example of aiming for eradication
you may notice however that we do quote articles so here are some that everyone might find educational
a 95% chance of eliminating coronavirus – but we predict new cases will emerge
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:no we’ve stuck with it, eradication never precluded new imports but go ahead and show them where we said it did
For months you’ve been citing NZ as an example of eradication. Now suppression seems to be good enough for you.
don’t confuse us with articles that you are fanatical over, we’ve been citing NZ as an example of aiming for eradication
you may notice however that we do quote articles so here are some that everyone might find educational
a 95% chance of eliminating coronavirus – but we predict new cases will emerge
Heh. Be sure to keep us informed when you again change your mind so as to not appear the fool.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Going by your new definition QLD has achiebved eradication. Would you allow them to open the QLD economy right up again?
change the subject but show them go on
going by our all along definition we agree that QLD has on balance of probability achieved eradication, and we agree that a probabilistically weighted reopening of economies would be reasonable, with greater opening as there comes greater certainty that eradication has occurred
You’re the one who has suddenly decided to adopt a new definition. You’ll be glad that we can reopen most of the Australian economy bar Victoria and NSW I guess.
so where did the specifically cited text mention eradication ¿ you brought it up
we have also maintained a reasonable definition despite your misdirection, so please read again
we have had no objection to reasonable resumption of economic activity in step with the level of certainty of eradication, which has occurred in Australian states as well as other countries even if the UK experts don’t believe they are countries
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:For months you’ve been citing NZ as an example of eradication. Now suppression seems to be good enough for you.
don’t confuse us with articles that you are fanatical over, we’ve been citing NZ as an example of aiming for eradication
you may notice however that we do quote articles so here are some that everyone might find educational
a 95% chance of eliminating coronavirus – but we predict new cases will emerge
Heh. Be sure to keep us informed when you again change your mind so as to not appear the fool.
so you can’t identify where eradication was brought up before you brought it up to misdirect, and then when you fail to demonstrate that others have changed their minds you accuse them of not telling the world that they changed their mind
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:change the subject but show them go on
going by our all along definition we agree that QLD has on balance of probability achieved eradication, and we agree that a probabilistically weighted reopening of economies would be reasonable, with greater opening as there comes greater certainty that eradication has occurred
You’re the one who has suddenly decided to adopt a new definition. You’ll be glad that we can reopen most of the Australian economy bar Victoria and NSW I guess.
so where did the specifically cited text mention eradication ¿ you brought it up
we have also maintained a reasonable definition despite your misdirection, so please read again
we have had no objection to reasonable resumption of economic activity in step with the level of certainty of eradication, which has occurred in Australian states as well as other countries even if the UK experts don’t believe they are countries
Heh again. Don’t worry I will take note of your new stance and won’t hold you to previously espoused positions. I will keep an eye on you though so be careful with your spiel.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:don’t confuse us with articles that you are fanatical over, we’ve been citing NZ as an example of aiming for eradication
you may notice however that we do quote articles so here are some that everyone might find educational
a 95% chance of eliminating coronavirus – but we predict new cases will emerge
Heh. Be sure to keep us informed when you again change your mind so as to not appear the fool.
so you can’t identify where eradication was brought up before you brought it up to misdirect, and then when you fail to demonstrate that others have changed their minds you accuse them of not telling the world that they changed their mind
Heh. Keep on digging if you must.
Best not be old in Sweden eh.
“Yngve Gustafsson, professor of geriatric medicine at Umea University, noted that the proportion of older people in respiratory care nationally was lower than at the same time a year ago, despite people over 70 being the worst affected by covid-19. He expressed concern about the increasing practice of doctors recommending by telephone a “palliative cocktail” for sick older people in care homes.
“Older people are routinely being given morphine and midazolam, which are respiratory-inhibiting,” he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper,5 “It’s active euthanasia, to say the least.””
poikilotherm said:
Best not be old in Sweden eh.“Yngve Gustafsson, professor of geriatric medicine at Umea University, noted that the proportion of older people in respiratory care nationally was lower than at the same time a year ago, despite people over 70 being the worst affected by covid-19. He expressed concern about the increasing practice of doctors recommending by telephone a “palliative cocktail” for sick older people in care homes.
“Older people are routinely being given morphine and midazolam, which are respiratory-inhibiting,” he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper,5 “It’s active euthanasia, to say the least.””
we thought that was the intention, maybe it’s actually better to be in Sweden, when your time comes you don’t need to drag it out
Day 121 of Lockdown
Cleaned Spouting.
Spouting is now cleaned.
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Imagine leaders of countries at war having the same attitude.
No wonder Americans are in trouble.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Imagine leaders of countries at war having the same attitude.
No wonder Americans are in trouble.
He is simply not interested in doing things that are difficult, detailed or time-consuming. He had a bit of a go at it, didn’t like it, and now just wants it to go away because it is too hard.
This seems accurate.
——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
I’ve heard / seen reports of people breaching, escaping or inappropriately being excused from quarantine in WA, SA, Vic, NSW and QLD.
Vic might have been the worst example (I don’t know).
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
I’ve heard / seen reports of people breaching, escaping or inappropriately being excused from quarantine in WA, SA, Vic, NSW and QLD.
Vic might have been the worst example (I don’t know).
triple fucking digit infected on a daily basis? Of course it’s the fucking worst.
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
I’ve heard / seen reports of people breaching, escaping or inappropriately being excused from quarantine in WA, SA, Vic, NSW and QLD.
Vic might have been the worst example (I don’t know).
triple fucking digit infected on a daily basis? Of course it’s the fucking worst.
It’s Exceptional
gotta love listening to the rivalry over in the east as to who has the shittiest govt. nice to be separate by a coupla thousand clicks.
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
I’ve heard / seen reports of people breaching, escaping or inappropriately being excused from quarantine in WA, SA, Vic, NSW and QLD.
Vic might have been the worst example (I don’t know).
From memory we had one guy that went to see his girlfriend.
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Then why has the data now been ordered to be submitted te The White House, and not CDC?
ChrispenEvan said:
gotta love listening to the rivalry over in the east as to who has the shittiest govt. nice to be separate by a coupla thousand clicks.
So Is It West Taiwan Or Is It Chinese Taipei
ChrispenEvan said:
gotta love listening to the rivalry over in the east as to who has the shittiest govt. nice to be separate by a coupla thousand clicks.
also think it pathetic.
ChrispenEvan said:
gotta love listening to the rivalry over in the east as to who has the shittiest govt. nice to be separate by a coupla thousand clicks.
The worst stories I have seen came out of the early days of quarantine in WA. It sounded utterly hopeless.
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
gotta love listening to the rivalry over in the east as to who has the shittiest govt. nice to be separate by a coupla thousand clicks.
So Is It West Taiwan Or Is It Chinese Taipei
south taiwan.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Then why has the data now been ordered to be submitted te The White House, and not CDC?
That’s not managing the pandemic, it’s managing the appearances…
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
gotta love listening to the rivalry over in the east as to who has the shittiest govt. nice to be separate by a coupla thousand clicks.
The worst stories I have seen came out of the early days of quarantine in WA. It sounded utterly hopeless.
really? yet we’ve been pretty clear for months now. and we are talking now, aren’t we?
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Bang on.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Then why has the data now been ordered to be submitted te The White House, and not CDC?
So they can suppress it and make it look like the virus has gone away, in the run-up to the election. Get the focus off the covids and onto the election.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Then why has the data now been ordered to be submitted te The White House, and not CDC?
That’s not managing the pandemic, it’s managing the appearances…
Ah.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Then why has the data now been ordered to be submitted te The White House, and not CDC?
So they can suppress it and make it look like the virus has gone away, in the run-up to the election. Get the focus off the covids and onto the election.
Yeah. Not a good look, hey.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Trump in recent weeks has been committing less of his time and energy to managing the pandemic, according to advisers, and has only occasionally spoken in detail about the topic in his public appearances. One of these advisers said the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.”—-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rancor-between-scientists-and-trump-allies-threatens-pandemic-response-as-cases-surge/2020/07/17/d950e9b6-c777-11ea-a99f-3bbdffb1af38_story.html
Then why has the data now been ordered to be submitted te The White House, and not CDC?
That’s not managing the pandemic, it’s managing the appearances…
appearances are everything though.
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Then why has the data now been ordered to be submitted te The White House, and not CDC?
That’s not managing the pandemic, it’s managing the appearances…
appearances are everything though.
If you are vain, I suppose.
Should be interesting to see here in the next coupla weeks how we go with the footy etc going again.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:That’s not managing the pandemic, it’s managing the appearances…
appearances are everything though.
If you are vain, I suppose.
well, it is hard to be humble…
ChrispenEvan said:
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
gotta love listening to the rivalry over in the east as to who has the shittiest govt. nice to be separate by a coupla thousand clicks.
The worst stories I have seen came out of the early days of quarantine in WA. It sounded utterly hopeless.
really? yet we’ve been pretty clear for months now. and we are talking now, aren’t we?
Yeah, really.
Do you remember the doctor who went to the media with details of the WA Quarantine system back in April?
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Bang on.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
Sharing resources between self and others needs to be taught at school.
Helping other people needs to be taught at school.
From K1 to K12 and on, because it doesn’t seem to stick
If you lot really want to kick off…have a look at actual deaths by state…
Quote error, someone got clipped
A disease that can be asymptomatic in up to 80% of cases, the fb post seems mostly like a victim blaming post. Had the one government not failed spectacularly at hotel quarantine (some states used the police or health departments to ensure quarantine too good effect), we likely wouldn’t be where we are today. There is definite blame to be had, and it’s pretty obvious where it should be directed to.
poikilotherm said:
A disease that can be asymptomatic in up to 80% of cases, the fb post seems mostly like a victim blaming post. Had the one government not failed spectacularly at hotel quarantine (some states used the police or health departments to ensure quarantine too good effect), we likely wouldn’t be where we are today. There is definite blame to be had, and it’s pretty obvious where it should be directed to.
Errrmmm, you do know that other states also used private security contractors, don’t you?
I hardly think it’s unreasonable for a government department, having hired a private security contractor, to expect that they would properly execute the function.
And that accounts for only one of the seven points listed as contributing behaviours above. Are you going to blame the government for the other six, too?
buffy said:
If you lot really want to kick off…have a look at actual deaths by state…
they are all aussies aren’t they? or even people rather than a number?
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
A disease that can be asymptomatic in up to 80% of cases, the fb post seems mostly like a victim blaming post. Had the one government not failed spectacularly at hotel quarantine (some states used the police or health departments to ensure quarantine too good effect), we likely wouldn’t be where we are today. There is definite blame to be had, and it’s pretty obvious where it should be directed to.
Errrmmm, you do know that other states also used private security contractors, don’t you?
I hardly think it’s unreasonable for a government department, having hired a private security contractor, to expect that they would properly execute the function.
And that accounts for only one of the seven points listed as contributing behaviours above. Are you going to blame the government for the other six, too?
uh c’m‘on everyone why the squabble, them’s humans, they make mistakes, could happen in any placé, this infection is one fucker to control and it just happened worst in VIC
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
If you lot really want to kick off…have a look at actual deaths by state…they are all aussies aren’t they? or even people rather than a number?
and then à reminder that other tragedies happen too
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/two-children-critical-pulled-from-casula-backyard-swimming-pool/12469954
poikilotherm said:
A disease that can be asymptomatic in up to 80% of cases, the fb post seems mostly like a victim blaming post. Had the one government not failed spectacularly at hotel quarantine (some states used the police or health departments to ensure quarantine too good effect), we likely wouldn’t be where we are today. There is definite blame to be had, and it’s pretty obvious where it should be directed to.
Yeah. The wonder is why when confronted with the reality early on the health experts and pollies didn’t change the way quarantine worked ASAP.
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
A disease that can be asymptomatic in up to 80% of cases, the fb post seems mostly like a victim blaming post. Had the one government not failed spectacularly at hotel quarantine (some states used the police or health departments to ensure quarantine too good effect), we likely wouldn’t be where we are today. There is definite blame to be had, and it’s pretty obvious where it should be directed to.
Yeah. The wonder is why when confronted with the reality early on the health experts and pollies didn’t change the way quarantine worked ASAP.
like the ruby princess?
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
A disease that can be asymptomatic in up to 80% of cases, the fb post seems mostly like a victim blaming post. Had the one government not failed spectacularly at hotel quarantine (some states used the police or health departments to ensure quarantine too good effect), we likely wouldn’t be where we are today. There is definite blame to be had, and it’s pretty obvious where it should be directed to.
Yeah. The wonder is why when confronted with the reality early on the health experts and pollies didn’t change the way quarantine worked ASAP.
like the ruby princess?
they were mostly asymptomatic too
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
A disease that can be asymptomatic in up to 80% of cases, the fb post seems mostly like a victim blaming post. Had the one government not failed spectacularly at hotel quarantine (some states used the police or health departments to ensure quarantine too good effect), we likely wouldn’t be where we are today. There is definite blame to be had, and it’s pretty obvious where it should be directed to.
Yeah. The wonder is why when confronted with the reality early on the health experts and pollies didn’t change the way quarantine worked ASAP.
like the ruby princess?
The was more a one-off rushed decision wasn’t it? Not weeks on end of mismanagement.
esselte said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
esselte said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
This seems accurate.——————————
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts:
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated ….. but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Too many people aren’t willing to think of others rather than just themselves. Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
(pinched from Facebook)
Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
Those 300 Victorians would’ve been unnoticed had the hotel quarantining organised by the government in Vic not failed.
do piles of healthcare workers live together in meat processing plants ¿ how come all community
—
Clusters linked to several hospitals and aged care facilities across Melbourne have continued to grow as cases have risen across the state in recent weeks.
There are now 405 healthcare workers across the state who have contracted the virus, including 157 active cases.
The vast majority of those infections are believed to have been acquired in the community, rather than at work.
poikilotherm said:
esselte said:
poikilotherm said:Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
Those 300 Victorians would’ve been unnoticed had the hotel quarantining organised by the government in Vic not failed.
what about the ones trying to cross borders when closures otherwise wouldn’t have been in place
poikilotherm said:
esselte said:
poikilotherm said:Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
Those 300 Victorians would’ve been unnoticed had the hotel quarantining organised by the government in Vic not failed.
I think the Vic gov declined an off of ADF help to supervise hotel quarantining and it became party time.
I’m a bit unclear about how much of the rumour about the private contractors has actually been real. It is entirely feasible for a security guard to pick up the virus at work simply from touching a hard surface in the hotel used for quarantine. There was also mention of shared cigarette lighters. I rather doubt the real situation will ever be known.
buffy said:
I’m a bit unclear about how much of the rumour about the private contractors has actually been real. It is entirely feasible for a security guard to pick up the virus at work simply from touching a hard surface in the hotel used for quarantine. There was also mention of shared cigarette lighters. I rather doubt the real situation will ever be known.
Well that’s just not true, the Premier has told Sir Humphrey Appleby to instigate an investigation.
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:
poikilotherm said:Sort of, yeah, nah…the incompetent Victorian government couldn’t keep it contained via hotel quarantine. NSW gets 4x more returned travelers and has so far managed to not let it leak out from that source like the Victorian speds.
It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
buffy said:
I’m a bit unclear about how much of the rumour about the private contractors has actually been real. It is entirely feasible for a security guard to pick up the virus at work simply from touching a hard surface in the hotel used for quarantine. There was also mention of shared cigarette lighters. I rather doubt the real situation will ever be known.
there might be a Royal Commission eventually.
esselte said:
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
I would have to agree with this.
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
Ah everyone’s to blame so no one is to blame…best way to make something disappear.
poikilotherm said:
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
Ah everyone’s to blame so no one is to blame…best way to make something disappear.
What I said has nothing to do with blame.
Nature is cruel… that’s why they call her a Mother….
It’s not about blame. It’s about acting smart.
This virus is not smart…. it can not outsmart us. We can only out-stupid ourselves. Being smart is how we make this disappear. If you merely or exclusively looking to assign blame, you are on the stupid team.
ChrispenEvan said:
esselte said:I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
I would have to agree with this.
well yeah people gotta take responsibility
esselte said:
What I said has nothing to do with blame.
Nature is cruel… that’s why they call her a Mother….
It’s not about blame. It’s about acting smart.
This virus is not smart…. it can not outsmart us. We can only out-stupid ourselves. Being smart is how we make this disappear. If you merely or exclusively looking to assign blame, you are on the stupid team.
as above.
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
Yes it’s everyone to the pumps.
Some learned chap on the wireless was saying that here are signs that the virus may be losing it’s fatality effectiveness just like sars 1 did, however it could also be put down to more effective treatment.
He pointed out that it is not in the virus interest to kill it’s host.
But yeah there will be a shed load of speculation from ‘experts’ that want to get the ear of the media to promote themselves so I’ll just wait and see and hope.
There’s a lot of big brains working on this.
ChrispenEvan said:
esselte said:
poikilotherm said:nothing to do with blame.Ah everyone’s to blame so no one is to blame…best way to make something disappear.
It’s not about blame. It’s about acting smart.
merely or exclusively looking to assign blame, you are on the stupid team.as above.
Blame Fingering, Best Way To Make Responsibility Someone Else’s Problem
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
esselte said:I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
I would have to agree with this.
well yeah people gotta take responsibility
and with that Neomyrtus just posted this and it appeared in my feed.
https://aliensideboob.substack.com/p/check-out-the-big-brain-on-brad
I disagree on some points but can’t be arsed typing more than a few lines, as interesting as this isn’t.
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:It’s not the Victorian governments fault at all that the virus leaked out of quarantine. If we had a highly authoritarian style of federal and state government then yeah, we could blame it on them. But we don’t have that style of government, and we prefer not to. We prefer a larger degree of freedom from government control. But with that freedom, you need individual responsibility. SA news reported tonight that 300 Victorians who entered SA recently have been caught breaching the 14 days self isolation mandate. Arseholes. It’s not the government that is the problem in Australia… it’s arseholes who have no concept of individual or collective responsibility.
So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
Not the President, not Governors, nor public health organisations. Everyone.
poikilotherm said:
I disagree on some points but can’t be arsed typing more than a few lines, as interesting as this isn’t.
QOTD
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
Yes it’s everyone to the pumps.
Some learned chap on the wireless was saying that here are signs that the virus may be losing it’s fatality effectiveness just like sars 1 did, however it could also be put down to more effective treatment.
He pointed out that it is not in the virus interest to kill it’s host.
But yeah there will be a shed load of speculation from ‘experts’ that want to get the ear of the media to promote themselves so I’ll just wait and see and hope.
There’s a lot of big brains working on this.
Maybe it’s getting less lethal, if it really is (ref¿), because infection control is improving a little, so the initial infective dose is lower, and maybe if so then as infection control gets better the complication rate will get better too, maybe until infection control is good, and then there will be no infection! Maybe the sanitation-virulence hypothesis will be demonstrated! Maybe it’s been suggested so long ago!
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:So Democracy Is A Way Of Reflecting Blame For Failure Of Governance Onto The Other People ¿
though we agree, the number of people intent on breaking rules because Rules Are For Someone Else… it’s quite something
I don’t think the Victorian governance is to blame, so there is no governmental-blame to reflect. What would you have them do? Stick people in a room and weld the door shut for 14 days? That’s not the kind of country we live in. It’s not the kind of country I want to live in. That’s not the kind of country implied when people like you and I talk about Democracy or when you and I enjoy our freedoms.
Remember when all this started, people were talking about the “new normal”?
Well, the new normal means that for the next couple of years at least, when we go shopping we should have a get-in-get-your-shit-line-up-at-the-checkout-in-a-socially-distant-kind-of-way-get-out, it means that for the next couple of years at least we shouldn’t be holding large gatherings in our homes, Christmas is cancelled, no concerts, crowd-less AFL games, only essential travel, take-out your weekly meal at the pub, carry and use hand sanitizer before and after you touch the fuel pump, shun your friends who want a hug or a hand shake…. If it ends up we don’t need to do these things for years that’s a bonus, but it should not be an expectation. There is no miracle coming… there is simply smart behaviour or stupid behaviour.
The front line in this battle is held by everyone. Not the PM, not Premiers, not public health organisations. Everyone.
Not the President, not Governors, nor public health organisations. Everyone.
Pretty sure people with influence or power or some kind of authority have some rôle to play as well, maybe, or maybe they shouldn’t be in some rôle, just sayin’.
ChrispenEvan said:
and with that Neomyrtus just posted this and it appeared in my feed.
https://aliensideboob.substack.com/p/check-out-the-big-brain-on-brad
we apologise
Divine Angel said:
poikilotherm said:
I disagree on some points but can’t be arsed typing more than a few lines, as interesting as this isn’t.
QOTD
like “I Take No Responsibility At All” brill
Peak Warming Man said:
There’s a lot of big brains working on this.
This is, essentially, the Trump philosophy.
Trump thinks other people are going to fix this. And he thinks they are smart enough that they will fix it soon.
It’s extremely unlikely a vaccine will save us any time soon, regardless of what optimistic news reports might say or how much we might wish it so. Vaccines take a long time to develop and test and verify. It will be an extraordinary feat if we have a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine by this time next year… truly extraordinary, and very unlikely. Therapeutics might improve in a much shorter time frame, but the virus might mutate just as quickly.
Maybe we will chose to just live with the death and chronic conditions that this virus thrusts upon us. Ultimately, that’s fine because COVID-19 is not an existential threat. But really, what we should be evaluating is how we would react to something that is an existential threat. This is our practice run at that thing hovering on the horizon which will actually have the potential to wipe out humanity and nestle snugly into some extraterrestrial Drake equation.
What I’m saying is, the benefits of reacting intelligently to this virus are immense and historic, and can teach us much which will, in the future, save us as a species. There are lessons to be learned here. Important lessons. To ultimately derive a conclusion like “Daniel Andrews sucks LOL” and take that as THE lesson is… short-sighted.
esselte said:
What I’m saying is, the benefits of reacting intelligently to this virus are immense and historic, and can teach us much which will, in the future, save us as a species. There are lessons to be learned here. Important lessons.
Well it almost saved the ASIANS but then the rest of the world kept spreading it back to them, serve them right!
esselte said:
To ultimately derive a conclusion like “Daniel Andrews sucks LOL” and take that as THE lesson is… short-sighted.
Imagine what would have happened if he’d actually locked in the plans to go to the footy and Lord Dutton hadn’t saved us all by catching it and waking everyone up and showing them It’s Serious! All Hail Lord Dutton! Long Live Lord Dutton!
Peak Warming Man said:
poikilotherm said:
I’m somewhat amazed there are 3 covid vaccines in phase 3 clinical trials already.
Would that be the US one, the Oxford one and a Chinese one?
meanwhile in Xinjiang “all of you line up right now! We’re going to shoot everyone! With needles
I heard a story today that someone tried to book into the Carters Towers caravan park with Victorian plates. Apparently bragged about how they took the backroads to avoid roadblocks, and would not sign the declaration stating their previous itinerary (apparently it’s a thing) so were told to GTFO.
I can understand the desire to get them as far away as quickly as possible, but I certainly hoped they got a number plate at least.
2020 is still going to go down as the year with the lowest death rate in Victoria.
And the Victorian strain is still so mild that it could be sold overseas as a live vaccine. The only people dying from this here are those who already have a deadly disease before they catch Covid-19.
Victoria has also recorded 217 new coronavirus infections, nearly half the number of yesterday’s single-day record of 428 cases.
There are 25 patients in intensive care, which Professor Sutton said was “fortunately” a decrease of six since yesterday. Eighteen patients remain on ventilators, a decrease of four since yesterday.
dv said:
:)
At risk of sharing what is now obvious intent:
The White House repeatedly denied the CDC permission to brief the public on the coronavirus, report says.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/cdc-denied-permission-to-brief-public-about-coronavirus-yahoo-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
dv said:
If you can read this, you’re too close.
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
At what age do kids learn swear words? Most 7 year old probably already use the word in the playground.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
At what age do kids learn swear words? Most 7 year old probably already use the word in the playground.
I suspect that one isn’t learnt at such an early age, I could be wrong of course. I still think the blokes a wanker and would have said so if I stood behind him.
Rule 303 said:
At risk of sharing what is now obvious intent:The White House repeatedly denied the CDC permission to brief the public on the coronavirus, report says.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/cdc-denied-permission-to-brief-public-about-coronavirus-yahoo-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
Yeah.
There was an op ed by four previous CDC directors decrying the current state of affairs (mentioned previously in this thread, I think).
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-cdc-directors-op-ed/index.html
(CNN)Four of the nation’s former top health officials took an extraordinary step Tuesday to combat the Trump administration’s efforts to disregard and politicize guidelines from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, speaking out in a scathing Washington Post op-ed.
The four former CDC directors warned against what they called a “tragic indictment” of the CDC’s efforts as President Donald Trump and top coronavirus task force officials seek to reopen the nation’s schools amid the raging pandemic. Trump has said he will “pressure” governors to reopen schools.
“Unfortunately, their sound science is being challenged with partisan potshots, sowing confusion and mistrust at a time when the American people need leadership, expertise and clarity. These efforts have even fueled a backlash against public health officials across the country: Public servants have been harassed, threatened and forced to resign when we need them most. This is unconscionable and dangerous,” they wrote.
Public health experts, they said: “Face two opponents: covid-19, but also political leaders and others attempting to undermine” the CDC.
The op-ed’s authors, Drs. Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Koplan, David Satcher and Richard Besser, served in both Republican and Democratic administrations for a combined 15 years.
“We cannot recall over our collective tenure a single time when political pressure led to a change in the interpretation of scientific evidence,” the wrote.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
Ah …
I’m a terrible parent because when my kids were 7 year olds they’d‘ve just laughed at that.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
Just imagine if he said the word within earshot of your precious offspring….
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
At what age do kids learn swear words? Most 7 year old probably already use the word in the playground.
I suspect that one isn’t learnt at such an early age, I could be wrong of course. I still think the blokes a wanker and would have said so if I stood behind him.
Wouldn’t you then have to explain what a wanker was to your child?
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
Just imagine if he said the word within earshot of your precious offspring….
My Dad used the word and directed it at us kids if he ma enough.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
He’s probably a strong believer in “family values”. Which in the modern US means: “I protect my family with automatic weapons. Your family can FOAD.”
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
He’s probably a strong believer in “family values”. Which in the modern US means: “I protect my family with automatic weapons. Your family can FOAD.”
He’s at a Bunnings…
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
He’s probably a strong believer in “family values”. Which in the modern US means: “I protect my family with automatic weapons. Your family can FOAD.”
He’s at a Bunnings…
Ah. He’s just a simple-minded cunt then :)
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:He’s probably a strong believer in “family values”. Which in the modern US means: “I protect my family with automatic weapons. Your family can FOAD.”
He’s at a Bunnings…
Ah. He’s just a simple-minded cunt then :)
I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:He’s at a Bunnings…
Ah. He’s just a simple-minded cunt then :)
I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
Yes but you enjoy antisocial language, for some reason. Presumably all those years of listening to rap.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:At what age do kids learn swear words? Most 7 year old probably already use the word in the playground.
I suspect that one isn’t learnt at such an early age, I could be wrong of course. I still think the blokes a wanker and would have said so if I stood behind him.
Wouldn’t you then have to explain what a wanker was to your child?
No. You don’t need to explain what the word means, just that it is a swear word. I was much older before I learned what they meant.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:He’s at a Bunnings…
Ah. He’s just a simple-minded cunt then :)
I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
Nah, he’s a wanker. It’s not just 7 year old children. There is lots of people who don’t want that sort of language shoved down their throats. He’s just being offensive for the sake of being offensive.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:I suspect that one isn’t learnt at such an early age, I could be wrong of course. I still think the blokes a wanker and would have said so if I stood behind him.
Wouldn’t you then have to explain what a wanker was to your child?
No. You don’t need to explain what the word means, just that it is a swear word. I was much older before I learned what they meant.
I was having a lend.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:Yeah, I laughed, but the blokes a dick.
Imagine being the poor parent with a 7 year old queuing up behind him.
Just imagine if he said the word within earshot of your precious offspring….
My Dad used the word and directed it at us kids if he ma enough.
My parents never used such language, apart from one occasion when my mother lost all control and referred to John Howard with the c word.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Ah. He’s just a simple-minded cunt then :)
I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
Yes but you enjoy antisocial language, for some reason. Presumably all those years of listening to rap.
Yes. It’s not the word you’re looking for when you swear on the bible, swear an oath, or swear allegiance. It’s the swearword for causing offense. It’s the all-purpose rudest word for people who haven’t heard of any of the really rude words.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:Just imagine if he said the word within earshot of your precious offspring….
My Dad used the word and directed it at us kids if he ma enough.
My parents never used such language, apart from one occasion when my mother lost all control and referred to John Howard with the c word.
My mother never swore. The worst I ever heard her say was “shut up”.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Ah. He’s just a simple-minded cunt then :)
I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
Nah, he’s a wanker. It’s not just 7 year old children. There is lots of people who don’t want that sort of language shoved down their throats. He’s just being offensive for the sake of being offensive.
There is such a thing as cutting through the background noise. It’s the ambition of anybody who is trying to get a message across in the 21st century.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Ah. He’s just a simple-minded cunt then :)
I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
Yes but you enjoy antisocial language, for some reason. Presumably all those years of listening to rap.
I know you’re a newcomer to our wild land but you would have picked up that cunt is not antisocial language here.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
Yes but you enjoy antisocial language, for some reason. Presumably all those years of listening to rap.
I know you’re a newcomer to our wild land but you would have picked up that cunt is not antisocial language here.
Um, it is in my circles.
The kind of Tasmanians who use such language tend to be very coarse indeed.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I thought it was great and would probably give him a thumbs up or a surly nod.
Yes but you enjoy antisocial language, for some reason. Presumably all those years of listening to rap.
I know you’re a newcomer to our wild land but you would have picked up that cunt is not antisocial language here.
I doubt that the majority of people in this wide brown land of ours go home to tea and ask their mother to pass the fucking salt, cunt.
In the time of COVID, if you are taking your children to Bunnings then YOU are the bad parent. No matter what the red necks shirt says…
sibeen said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Yes but you enjoy antisocial language, for some reason. Presumably all those years of listening to rap.
I know you’re a newcomer to our wild land but you would have picked up that cunt is not antisocial language here.
I doubt that the majority of people in this wide brown land of ours go home to tea and ask their mother to pass the fucking salt, cunt.
63.5% of them laugh and say “you’re a funny cunt, eh” to their best friend.
Indeed, the three major clues that this was an Australian not an American were “Bunnings”, “1.5 metres”, and “cunt”.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I know you’re a newcomer to our wild land but you would have picked up that cunt is not antisocial language here.
I doubt that the majority of people in this wide brown land of ours go home to tea and ask their mother to pass the fucking salt, cunt.
63.5% of them laugh and say “you’re a funny cunt, eh” to their best friend.
Yes, down the local and mainly with no women around it is reasonably common. Once a woman joins the conversation then it’s normally been put away. At least that’s my experience. Not that I’ve ever been to a pub much.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I know you’re a newcomer to our wild land but you would have picked up that cunt is not antisocial language here.
I doubt that the majority of people in this wide brown land of ours go home to tea and ask their mother to pass the fucking salt, cunt.
63.5% of them laugh and say “you’re a funny cunt, eh” to their best friend.
Nah.
Maybe you’re thinking of Queenslanders.
Anyway, sticks and stones and all that.
I’m off to join the Foxbat on the second half of last night’s pleasant flight.
You were such a cocky successful winner when we were sixteen
But now you’re just another sad, fat prick
Sitting in the MCG high-fiving in self-congratulation
As if it’s you that had the skill and determination to play for Australia
It’s the cunts with the bad haircuts that you’ve got to watch out for
There’s never been a popular teenager yet who’s done rats with their life
It’s the fucking dorks that give it a real go
Glenn McGrath got 5 for 50 that day
Bubblecar said:
Anyway, sticks and stones and all that.I’m off to join the Foxbat on the second half of last night’s pleasant flight.
High altitude Mach 2.5+ over Siberia?
Bubblecar said:
Anyway, sticks and stones and all that.I’m off to join the Foxbat on the second half of last night’s pleasant flight.
Nice.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Anyway, sticks and stones and all that.I’m off to join the Foxbat on the second half of last night’s pleasant flight.
High altitude Mach 2.5+ over Siberia?
No, this flight over NW Tas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9_bQbPdtLo&t=1724s
Does the Foxbat have a good safety record?
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Anyway, sticks and stones and all that.I’m off to join the Foxbat on the second half of last night’s pleasant flight.
High altitude Mach 2.5+ over Siberia?
No, this flight over NW Tas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9_bQbPdtLo&t=1724s
It was a nice flight. I wish a bit more was annotated.
dv said:
Does the Foxbat have a good safety record?
It has crashed while I have been watching.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Anyway, sticks and stones and all that.I’m off to join the Foxbat on the second half of last night’s pleasant flight.
High altitude Mach 2.5+ over Siberia?
No, this flight over NW Tas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9_bQbPdtLo&t=1724s
Ah OK. I was thinking more of an old soviet era Mig interceptor called the Foxbat.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:High altitude Mach 2.5+ over Siberia?
No, this flight over NW Tas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9_bQbPdtLo&t=1724s
Ah OK. I was thinking more of an old soviet era Mig interceptor called the Foxbat.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:No, this flight over NW Tas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9_bQbPdtLo&t=1724s
Ah OK. I was thinking more of an old soviet era Mig interceptor called the Foxbat.
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/538672805409227985/?nic_v1=1aUgV43bH5pjxlBmev4KJ1PaDSw%2Fd8QAAIPU2pWo0cF8lazMMyE71nYaAx5Os8Q26y
Bernie Mason saved to 2015 Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight by Wynyard Aero Club
One of the planes in the flight
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Ah OK. I was thinking more of an old soviet era Mig interceptor called the Foxbat.
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/538672805409227985/?nic_v1=1aUgV43bH5pjxlBmev4KJ1PaDSw%2Fd8QAAIPU2pWo0cF8lazMMyE71nYaAx5Os8Q26y
Bernie Mason saved to 2015 Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight by Wynyard Aero Club
One of the planes in the flight
I really think you cunts aren’t posting in the spirit of the thread title.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/538672805409227985/?nic_v1=1aUgV43bH5pjxlBmev4KJ1PaDSw%2Fd8QAAIPU2pWo0cF8lazMMyE71nYaAx5Os8Q26y
Bernie Mason saved to 2015 Battle of Britain Commemorative Flight by Wynyard Aero Club
One of the planes in the flight
I really think you cunts aren’t posting in the spirit of the thread title.
Fair comment.
dv said:
There’s that line again doing what Trump wants.
dv said:
That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
There’s that line again doing what Trump wants.
Remember the line that moved the cyclone, now its doing this.
sibeen said:
dv said:
That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What are you talking about? I watched the White House Press Secretary’s briefing on the topic… I wasn’t hallucinating. You can’t blame the press for what the WH says
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What are you talking about? I watched the White House Press Secretary’s briefing on the topic… I wasn’t hallucinating. You can’t blame the press for what the WH says
Are you on drugs? I mean really?
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What are you talking about? I watched the White House Press Secretary’s briefing on the topic… I wasn’t hallucinating. You can’t blame the press for what the WH says
Are you on drugs? I mean really?
From https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/
Q Well, you talked about earlier, with school districts — what we’re seeing is more school districts — at least in Virginia, for example, last night — deciding to go online only. What does the President say to parents out there who are now going, “Okay, what do I do with my kids?”
MS. MCENANY: You know, the President has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that. And when he says open, he means open in full — kids being able to attend each and every day at their school.
The science should not stand in the way of this. And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — “Of course, we can . Everyone else in the…Western world, our peer nations are doing it. We are the outlier here.”
The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.
The science is on our side here, and we encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science, open our schools. It’s very damaging to our children: There is a lack of reporting of abuse; there’s mental depressions that are not addressed; suicidal ideations that are not addressed when students are not in school. Our schools are extremely important, they’re essential, and they must reopen.
Yes.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What are you talking about? I watched the White House Press Secretary’s briefing on the topic… I wasn’t hallucinating. You can’t blame the press for what the WH says
Are you on drugs? I mean really?
From https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/
Q Well, you talked about earlier, with school districts — what we’re seeing is more school districts — at least in Virginia, for example, last night — deciding to go online only. What does the President say to parents out there who are now going, “Okay, what do I do with my kids?”
MS. MCENANY: You know, the President has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that. And when he says open, he means open in full — kids being able to attend each and every day at their school.
The science should not stand in the way of this. And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — “Of course, we can . Everyone else in the…Western world, our peer nations are doing it. We are the outlier here.”
The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.
The science is on our side here, and we encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science, open our schools. It’s very damaging to our children: There is a lack of reporting of abuse; there’s mental depressions that are not addressed; suicidal ideations that are not addressed when students are not in school. Our schools are extremely important, they’re essential, and they must reopen.
Yes.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
dv said:What are you talking about? I watched the White House Press Secretary’s briefing on the topic… I wasn’t hallucinating. You can’t blame the press for what the WH says
Are you on drugs? I mean really?
From https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/
Q Well, you talked about earlier, with school districts — what we’re seeing is more school districts — at least in Virginia, for example, last night — deciding to go online only. What does the President say to parents out there who are now going, “Okay, what do I do with my kids?”
MS. MCENANY: You know, the President has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that. And when he says open, he means open in full — kids being able to attend each and every day at their school.
The science should not stand in the way of this. And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — “Of course, we can . Everyone else in the…Western world, our peer nations are doing it. We are the outlier here.”
The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.
The science is on our side here, and we encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science, open our schools. It’s very damaging to our children: There is a lack of reporting of abuse; there’s mental depressions that are not addressed; suicidal ideations that are not addressed when students are not in school. Our schools are extremely important, they’re essential, and they must reopen.
Yes.
Seems I’m not on drugs. That’s how I remember it.
For a minute there I thought you were approaching a point.
dv said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:Are you on drugs? I mean really?
From https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/
Q Well, you talked about earlier, with school districts — what we’re seeing is more school districts — at least in Virginia, for example, last night — deciding to go online only. What does the President say to parents out there who are now going, “Okay, what do I do with my kids?”
MS. MCENANY: You know, the President has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that. And when he says open, he means open in full — kids being able to attend each and every day at their school.
The science should not stand in the way of this. And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — “Of course, we can . Everyone else in the…Western world, our peer nations are doing it. We are the outlier here.”
The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.
The science is on our side here, and we encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science, open our schools. It’s very damaging to our children: There is a lack of reporting of abuse; there’s mental depressions that are not addressed; suicidal ideations that are not addressed when students are not in school. Our schools are extremely important, they’re essential, and they must reopen.
Yes.
Seems I’m not on drugs. That’s how I remember it.
For a minute there I thought you were approaching a point.
You’re shitting me. A quote taken out of all context. Bullshit of the highest order. A “quote” taken as a snapshot and misused.
“The science should not stand in the way of this.” and everyone prints this. Without the follow up. It’s journalistic assassination. Put that phrase into a search engine. It’ll be the Gran and NYT and WP all at the front end.
dv said:
If only he’d strip the FDA of its control in blocking vaccine production. Now that would be worthwhile.
dv said:
This is the story of the hurricane…
sibeen said:
dv said:
That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What ‘back to school’ stuff?
dv said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:Are you on drugs? I mean really?
From https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/
Q Well, you talked about earlier, with school districts — what we’re seeing is more school districts — at least in Virginia, for example, last night — deciding to go online only. What does the President say to parents out there who are now going, “Okay, what do I do with my kids?”
MS. MCENANY: You know, the President has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that. And when he says open, he means open in full — kids being able to attend each and every day at their school.
The science should not stand in the way of this. And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — “Of course, we can . Everyone else in the…Western world, our peer nations are doing it. We are the outlier here.”
The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.
The science is on our side here, and we encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science, open our schools. It’s very damaging to our children: There is a lack of reporting of abuse; there’s mental depressions that are not addressed; suicidal ideations that are not addressed when students are not in school. Our schools are extremely important, they’re essential, and they must reopen.
Yes.
Seems I’m not on drugs. That’s how I remember it.
For a minute there I thought you were approaching a point.
OK, ta.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What ‘back to school’ stuff?
I hope sibeen and dv continue this discussion on this bran’ new day. (The words being discussed are quoted back in this thread a bit)
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What ‘back to school’ stuff?
Basically el Trumpo says it’s fine for kids to go back to school. Everything’s good, nothing to see here.
dv said:
Where is this data visualisation from?
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:No, this flight over NW Tas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9_bQbPdtLo&t=1724s
Ah OK. I was thinking more of an old soviet era Mig interceptor called the Foxbat.
“The Flying Rock Doctor”. Someone’s a geologist.
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What ‘back to school’ stuff?
Basically el Trumpo says it’s fine for kids to go back to school. Everything’s good, nothing to see here.
Ta.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Yes but you enjoy antisocial language, for some reason. Presumably all those years of listening to rap.
I know you’re a newcomer to our wild land but you would have picked up that cunt is not antisocial language here.
I doubt that the majority of people in this wide brown land of ours go home to tea and ask their mother to pass the fucking salt, cunt.
they’re probably quitters too.
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:That ‘back to school’ stuff was bullshit of the highest order and no wonder people don’t trust a lot of the press. It was fucking shameless.
What ‘back to school’ stuff?
Basically el Trumpo says it’s fine for kids to go back to school. Everything’s good, nothing to see here.
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that.
I think the sibeen interpretation is that when they say not to let science stand in the way, it’s because the science says it’s OK for kids to go back to school, so to quote the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit out of context was deliberately deceptive.
I think dv’s response is that under the current conditions in the USA the science doesn’t say anything of the sort, so it’s just fine to quote just the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit.
No doubt they’ll let us know if I’ve got that wrong.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:I doubt that the majority of people in this wide brown land of ours go home to tea and ask their mother to pass the fucking salt, cunt.
63.5% of them laugh and say “you’re a funny cunt, eh” to their best friend.
Yes, down the local and mainly with no women around it is reasonably common. Once a woman joins the conversation then it’s normally been put away. At least that’s my experience. Not that I’ve ever been to a pub much.
I’d say I agree with sibeen on this. It’s not used in general usage around here, except in the rougher parts of town. You don’t hear it in the streets of Hamilton in general use, and if you do, everyone, and I mean everyone, turns to stare at the speaker. Who is generally high, drunk, or both. And very soon after find themselves in the local police cells.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
dv said:63.5% of them laugh and say “you’re a funny cunt, eh” to their best friend.
Yes, down the local and mainly with no women around it is reasonably common. Once a woman joins the conversation then it’s normally been put away. At least that’s my experience. Not that I’ve ever been to a pub much.
I’d say I agree with sibeen on this. It’s not used in general usage around here, except in the rougher parts of town. You don’t hear it in the streets of Hamilton in general use, and if you do, everyone, and I mean everyone, turns to stare at the speaker. Who is generally high, drunk, or both. And very soon after find themselves in the local police cells.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:What ‘back to school’ stuff?
Basically el Trumpo says it’s fine for kids to go back to school. Everything’s good, nothing to see here.
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that.
I think the sibeen interpretation is that when they say not to let science stand in the way, it’s because the science says it’s OK for kids to go back to school, so to quote the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit out of context was deliberately deceptive.
I think dv’s response is that under the current conditions in the USA the science doesn’t say anything of the sort, so it’s just fine to quote just the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit.
No doubt they’ll let us know if I’ve got that wrong.
That is basically my argument. The CNN reporter tweeted out the “don’t let the science stand in the way” as soon as he left the press conference knowing full well that soundbite was the complete opposite of what was trying to be put across. This doesn’t mean that I support what she is saying by the way. I suspect that sending children back to school when you’re getting 70k new cases a day is probably a stupid idea.
363 new cases for Vic.
Rule 303 said:
363 new cases for Vic.
Brazil having their usual quietish weekend.
No such luck in USA or India.
They’re mandating masks in public.
(again, just for Vic at this stage)
Rule 303 said:
363 new cases for Vic.
With 327 under investigation.
And 3 more deaths.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:Basically el Trumpo says it’s fine for kids to go back to school. Everything’s good, nothing to see here.
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that.
I think the sibeen interpretation is that when they say not to let science stand in the way, it’s because the science says it’s OK for kids to go back to school, so to quote the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit out of context was deliberately deceptive.
I think dv’s response is that under the current conditions in the USA the science doesn’t say anything of the sort, so it’s just fine to quote just the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit.
No doubt they’ll let us know if I’ve got that wrong.
That is basically my argument. The CNN reporter tweeted out the “don’t let the science stand in the way” as soon as he left the press conference knowing full well that soundbite was the complete opposite of what was trying to be put across. This doesn’t mean that I support what she is saying by the way. I suspect that sending children back to school when you’re getting 70k new cases a day is probably a stupid idea.
I do wonder why they used that particular wording though.
Was it just careless?
Or was it carefully considered, so that they please both those who want to dismiss the science and those who want to consider the science.
Plus knowing the response it would get from much of the press, they can point at yet more Trump Derangement Syndrome.
A win-win-win.
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
363 new cases for Vic.
With 327 under investigation.
And 3 more deaths.
The ones under investigation are just the ones not yet assigned to a cluster. They haven’t had time to do all the contact tracing yet. It doesn’t mean they will all be unknown cause.
Rule 303 said:
They’re mandating masks in public.(again, just for Vic at this stage)
From midnight on Wednesday.
Rule 303 said:
363 new cases for Vic.
Keep y’all germs to yo’self.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think it’s a bit more complicated than that.
I think the sibeen interpretation is that when they say not to let science stand in the way, it’s because the science says it’s OK for kids to go back to school, so to quote the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit out of context was deliberately deceptive.
I think dv’s response is that under the current conditions in the USA the science doesn’t say anything of the sort, so it’s just fine to quote just the “don’t let the science stand in the way” bit.
No doubt they’ll let us know if I’ve got that wrong.
That is basically my argument. The CNN reporter tweeted out the “don’t let the science stand in the way” as soon as he left the press conference knowing full well that soundbite was the complete opposite of what was trying to be put across. This doesn’t mean that I support what she is saying by the way. I suspect that sending children back to school when you’re getting 70k new cases a day is probably a stupid idea.
I do wonder why they used that particular wording though.
Was it just careless?
Or was it carefully considered, so that they please both those who want to dismiss the science and those who want to consider the science.
Plus knowing the response it would get from much of the press, they can point at yet more Trump Derangement Syndrome.A win-win-win.
I suspect just careless as she was responding to a direct question and not reading from a script.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHCUYxjpako
I went to look at Sweden again. Here are the deaths by age group. You can link to their cumulative case numbers graph underneath.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/
I see what your point is now sibeen and agree that some of the coverage of that phrase was biased. I wasnt talking about that particular phrase. It shouldn’t detract from the big picture which is that the Trump administration really is threatening to defund states that do not open schools fully, right now, whereas states in the grip of the pandemic want to open like 4 days a week (students in 2 groups each 2 days, allowing 1 day from cleaning), or going to a remote learning mode. Opening schools fully would require more resources that already underfunded public schools do not have.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:That is basically my argument. The CNN reporter tweeted out the “don’t let the science stand in the way” as soon as he left the press conference knowing full well that soundbite was the complete opposite of what was trying to be put across. This doesn’t mean that I support what she is saying by the way. I suspect that sending children back to school when you’re getting 70k new cases a day is probably a stupid idea.
I do wonder why they used that particular wording though.
Was it just careless?
Or was it carefully considered, so that they please both those who want to dismiss the science and those who want to consider the science.
Plus knowing the response it would get from much of the press, they can point at yet more Trump Derangement Syndrome.A win-win-win.
I suspect just careless as she was responding to a direct question and not reading from a script.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHCUYxjpako
Hmm.
I’ll wait for dv’s opinion on the matter.
dv said:
I see what your point is now sibeen and agree that some of the coverage of that phrase was biased. I wasnt talking about that particular phrase. It shouldn’t detract from the big picture which is that the Trump administration really is threatening to defund states that do not open schools fully, right now, whereas states in the grip of the pandemic want to open like 4 days a week (students in 2 groups each 2 days, allowing 1 day from cleaning), or going to a remote learning mode. Opening schools fully would require more resources that already underfunded public schools do not have.
kicks at dirt
And here I was all set for a blazing blue and we appear to be in complete agreement. Well, that’s fucking boring :)
sibeen said:
dv said:
I see what your point is now sibeen and agree that some of the coverage of that phrase was biased. I wasnt talking about that particular phrase. It shouldn’t detract from the big picture which is that the Trump administration really is threatening to defund states that do not open schools fully, right now, whereas states in the grip of the pandemic want to open like 4 days a week (students in 2 groups each 2 days, allowing 1 day from cleaning), or going to a remote learning mode. Opening schools fully would require more resources that already underfunded public schools do not have.
kicks at dirt
And here I was all set for a blazing blue and we appear to be in complete agreement. Well, that’s fucking boring :)
LOL
I’m sure we can find something to fight about
Rule 303 said:
They’re mandating masks in public.(again, just for Vic at this stage)
In the locked down areas as I read it. Melbourne and Mitchell Shire.
For ages 12 and up, with a $200 fine attached to non-compliance.
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
They’re mandating masks in public.(again, just for Vic at this stage)
In the locked down areas as I read it. Melbourne and Mitchell Shire.
For ages 12 and up, with a $200 fine attached to non-compliance.
I’m 105km from Melbourne by road, but it include us.
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
They’re mandating masks in public.(again, just for Vic at this stage)
In the locked down areas as I read it. Melbourne and Mitchell Shire.
For ages 12 and up, with a $200 fine attached to non-compliance.
I’m 105km from Melbourne by road, but it include us.
You get all the wankers from Toorak and Brighton staying down your way so off course you have to be included.
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.
Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
I heartily endorse the wearing of face masks.
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
Just look at the USA :)
https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/18/are-anti-mask-masks-legal/#more-160351
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
So many geniuses.
So little time.
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
https://youtu.be/-xBOXwVkv9c
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
I heartily endorse the wearing of face masks.
I, and the whole family, have been wearing one to the shops for the last two weeks.
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
Like what?
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
I heartily endorse the wearing of face masks.
I, and the whole family, have been wearing one to the shops for the last two weeks.
You really need one each though.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I heartily endorse the wearing of face masks.
I, and the whole family, have been wearing one to the shops for the last two weeks.
You really need one each though.
I’ll pay that :)
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:In the locked down areas as I read it. Melbourne and Mitchell Shire.
For ages 12 and up, with a $200 fine attached to non-compliance.
I’m 105km from Melbourne by road, but it include us.
You get all the wankers from Toorak and Brighton staying down your way so off course you have to be included.
The evidence is clear that there’s tens of thousands of people down here from Melbourne, simply ignoring the restrictions. We’ve got permanent traffic counters sitting in our roads.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I heartily endorse the wearing of face masks.
I, and the whole family, have been wearing one to the shops for the last two weeks.
You really need one each though.
:)
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
Just reading some of the public responses to mandatory masks on social media.Fuck me there’s some geniuses out there….
Like what?
Anti-fact propaganda, conspiracy, misinformation, irrelevance, idiots…
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:I, and the whole family, have been wearing one to the shops for the last two weeks.
You really need one each though.
:)
We haven’t needed to do anything like that yet. I’ve got bandannas in the bushfire kit. They will do, we can do the old fashioned robber look.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
363 new cases for Vic.
With 327 under investigation.
And 3 more deaths.
The ones under investigation are just the ones not yet assigned to a cluster. They haven’t had time to do all the contact tracing yet. It doesn’t mean they will all be unknown cause.
sure but what would be safer, presume source unknown until you get control, or presume they are just cluster connected infected feckted
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:With 327 under investigation.
And 3 more deaths.
The ones under investigation are just the ones not yet assigned to a cluster. They haven’t had time to do all the contact tracing yet. It doesn’t mean they will all be unknown cause.
sure but what would be safer, presume source unknown until you get control, or presume they are just cluster
connectedinfectedfeckted
I don’t think safety was being questioned.
dv said:
I’m sure we can find something to fight about
happened before but ended in vagueness as typical
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:The ones under investigation are just the ones not yet assigned to a cluster. They haven’t had time to do all the contact tracing yet. It doesn’t mean they will all be unknown cause.
sure but what would be safer, presume source unknown until you get control, or presume they are just cluster
connectedinfectedfeckted
I don’t think safety was being questioned.
no but if we accept that “under investigation” implies “we haven’t identified a known source yet” then it’s probably reasonable to consider it “source unknown” until “reclassification”
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:sure but what would be safer, presume source unknown until you get control, or presume they are just cluster
connectedinfectedfeckted
I don’t think safety was being questioned.
no but if we accept that “under investigation” implies “we haven’t identified a known source yet” then it’s probably reasonable to consider it “source unknown” until “reclassification”
Under investigation simply means there is too much work and they haven’t got through it yet.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I don’t think safety was being questioned.
no but if we accept that “under investigation” implies “we haven’t identified a known source yet” then it’s probably reasonable to consider it “source unknown” until “reclassification”
Under investigation simply means there is too much work and they haven’t got through it yet.
Yes, or a convenient way to not admit that it’s not known, we’ve heard that not testing means less cases too. Our position is merely that until said investigation is complete, anyone deciding how safely to play their cards should play them as if they are all unknown source transmissions.
Almost one-third of Florida children tested are positive for the coronavirus
The state’s outbreak continues to surge as new data reveal children may be more impacted than previously thought.
By
Alexandra Kelley | July 15, 2020
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
dv said:
Almost one-third of Florida children tested are positive for the coronavirusThe state’s outbreak continues to surge as new data reveal children may be more impacted than previously thought.
By
Alexandra Kelley | July 15, 2020
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
An interesting development with a potentially extra large impact. We might see what the mothers of America can do.
dv said:
Almost one-third of Florida children tested are positive for the coronavirusThe state’s outbreak continues to surge as new data reveal children may be more impacted than previously thought.
By
Alexandra Kelley | July 15, 2020
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
Wow!
Michael V said:
dv said:
Almost one-third of Florida children tested are positive for the coronavirusThe state’s outbreak continues to surge as new data reveal children may be more impacted than previously thought.
By
Alexandra Kelley | July 15, 2020
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
Wow!
aren’t they mostly asymptomatic though, not really “impacted” right, just immune
Michael V said:
dv said:
Almost one-third of Florida children tested are positive for the coronavirusThe state’s outbreak continues to surge as new data reveal children may be more impacted than previously thought.
By
Alexandra Kelley | July 15, 2020
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
Wow!
Brings new meaning to the idea that the household gets sick from the things that the kids bring home from school.
I reckon us Victorians are really boring. We are picking up this virus at work or from family. NSW people pick it up at pubs and restaurants and gyms.
i don’t know anything about this.
but I sense wrongness.
sarahs mum said:
i don’t know anything about this.
but I sense wrongness.
Is there any law for which this is not true?
sarahs mum said:
i don’t know anything about this.
but I sense wrongness.
I looked up the original post on fb… do not read the comments. Just dont. Seems like we’re heading towards America.
sarahs mum said:
i don’t know anything about this.
but I sense wrongness.
Sounds like conspiracy to mutiny to me…
Rule 303 said:
sarahs mum said:
i don’t know anything about this.
but I sense wrongness.
Is there any law for which this is not true?
According to the law firm, it’s unconstitutional. Apparently there’s an emergency Act which overrides it but the law firm are telling people to go cry to Daniel Andrews.
Divine Angel said:
Rule 303 said:
sarahs mum said:
i don’t know anything about this.
but I sense wrongness.
Is there any law for which this is not true?
According to the law firm, it’s unconstitutional. Apparently there’s an emergency Act which overrides it but the law firm are telling people to go cry to Daniel Andrews.
It’s OK. people can’t sue.
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
Rule 303 said:Is there any law for which this is not true?
According to the law firm, it’s unconstitutional. Apparently there’s an emergency Act which overrides it but the law firm are telling people to go cry to Daniel Andrews.
It’s OK. people can’t sue.
+ DEAD
dead people can’t sue.
They are also anti-vax.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:According to the law firm, it’s unconstitutional. Apparently there’s an emergency Act which overrides it but the law firm are telling people to go cry to Daniel Andrews.
It’s OK. people can’t sue.
+ DEAD
dead people can’t sue.
If insurance companies can charge dead people for life insurance, why can’t dead people sue?
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:According to the law firm, it’s unconstitutional. Apparently there’s an emergency Act which overrides it but the law firm are telling people to go cry to Daniel Andrews.
It’s OK. people can’t sue.
+ DEAD
dead people can’t sue.
What if they come back as zombies?
Divine Angel said:
Rule 303 said:
sarahs mum said:
i don’t know anything about this.
but I sense wrongness.
Is there any law for which this is not true?
According to the law firm, it’s unconstitutional. Apparently there’s an emergency Act which overrides it but the law firm are telling people to go cry to Daniel Andrews.
It falls under the CHO’s authority in a declared State of Emergency, AFAIK.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
party_pants said:It’s OK. people can’t sue.
+ DEAD
dead people can’t sue.
If insurance companies can charge dead people for life insurance, why can’t dead people sue?
It’s been the rule for ages. Hence the stalling on all the asbestos claims while the victims were dying.
A Facebook friend liked all those lawyers’ posts. She doesn’t like to follow government rules, yet she knows if she catches COVID, she will die due to an underlying medical condition. Unfriended. I have no time for people who are happy to spread their germs.
Divine Angel said:
They are also anti-vax.
>G&B Lawyers
They also spell “Liars” wrong.
How come Hong Kong’s figures aren’t included in China’s on the https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ site?
sibeen said:
How come Hong Kong’s figures aren’t included in China’s on the https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ site?
probably counted as part of the UK
We’re going to be better off without people who refuse to follow basic cross-infection controls.
Really, much, much better off.
Rule 303 said:
We’re going to be better off without people who refuse to follow basic cross-infection controls.Really, much, much better off.
Trouble is, they aren’t the ones dying.
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:
We’re going to be better off without people who refuse to follow basic cross-infection controls.Really, much, much better off.
Trouble is, they aren’t the ones dying.
They must be some of the ones dying.
Rule 303 said:
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:
We’re going to be better off without people who refuse to follow basic cross-infection controls.Really, much, much better off.
Trouble is, they aren’t the ones dying.
They must be some of the ones dying.
There is that.
