And some reading, if you want it. This paper is long and complicated, but gives a good idea of the challenges of vaccine development. It’s about flu.
The human antibody response to influenza A virus infection and vaccination
Abstract
The adaptive immune response to influenza virus infection is multifaceted and complex, involving antibody and cellular responses at both systemic and mucosal levels. Immune responses to natural infection with influenza virus in humans are relatively broad and long-lived, but influenza viruses can escape from these responses over time owing to their high mutation rates and antigenic flexibility. Vaccines are the best available countermeasure against infection, but vaccine effectiveness is low compared with other viral vaccines, and the induced immune response is narrow and short-lived. Furthermore, inactivated influenza virus vaccines focus on the induction of systemic IgG responses but do not effectively induce mucosal IgA responses. Here, I review the differences between natural infection and vaccination in terms of the antibody responses they induce and how these responses protect against future infection. A better understanding of how natural infection induces broad and long-lived immune responses will be key to developing next-generation influenza virus vaccines.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-019-0143-6
From the conclusion:
>>In conclusion, the antibody response to natural influenza virus infection seems to be broader and longer-lived than the antibody response induced by influenza virus vaccines.<<
And some reading, if you want it. This paper is long and complicated, but gives a good idea of the challenges of vaccine development. It’s about flu.
The human antibody response to influenza A virus infection and vaccination
Abstract
The adaptive immune response to influenza virus infection is multifaceted and complex, involving antibody and cellular responses at both systemic and mucosal levels. Immune responses to natural infection with influenza virus in humans are relatively broad and long-lived, but influenza viruses can escape from these responses over time owing to their high mutation rates and antigenic flexibility. Vaccines are the best available countermeasure against infection, but vaccine effectiveness is low compared with other viral vaccines, and the induced immune response is narrow and short-lived. Furthermore, inactivated influenza virus vaccines focus on the induction of systemic IgG responses but do not effectively induce mucosal IgA responses. Here, I review the differences between natural infection and vaccination in terms of the antibody responses they induce and how these responses protect against future infection. A better understanding of how natural infection induces broad and long-lived immune responses will be key to developing next-generation influenza virus vaccines.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-019-0143-6
From the conclusion:
>>In conclusion, the antibody response to natural influenza virus infection seems to be broader and longer-lived than the antibody response induced by influenza virus vaccines.<<
In Australia, 85% of people with COVID-19 who end up in critical care will recover. In Britain, that number is 60%, and just 30% in the United States.
At St Vincent’s Hospital in Melbourne, researchers are studying the use of blood thinning medication: “We did a study of inhaled heparin before the COVID outbreak, in patients with lung injury from pneumonia – similar to the COVID patients – and found that giving people inhaled heparin accelerated their recovery,” (snip) “So we know already that heparin has benefit in patients with this type of pneumonia, but heparin also binds with COVID, and so we think it inactivates COVID as well.”
At Austin Health: The intravenous fluid contains zinc chloride, as part of a clinical trial by the Department of Surgery at the University of Melbourne, to see if zinc can help COVID patients with deteriorating conditions recover sooner.
At Monash Medical Centre, haematologist Dr Zoe McQuilten is using plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients. She wants to see if giving the plasma – and the antibodies it contains – to newly infected people can help boost their immune system.
Provisional approval has also been granted by the Therapeutic Goods Administration for the use of Remdisivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus, in hospitalised patients.
In Australia, 85% of people with COVID-19 who end up in critical care will recover. In Britain, that number is 60%, and just 30% in the United States.
At St Vincent’s Hospital in Melbourne, researchers are studying the use of blood thinning medication: “We did a study of inhaled heparin before the COVID outbreak, in patients with lung injury from pneumonia – similar to the COVID patients – and found that giving people inhaled heparin accelerated their recovery,” (snip) “So we know already that heparin has benefit in patients with this type of pneumonia, but heparin also binds with COVID, and so we think it inactivates COVID as well.”
At Austin Health: The intravenous fluid contains zinc chloride, as part of a clinical trial by the Department of Surgery at the University of Melbourne, to see if zinc can help COVID patients with deteriorating conditions recover sooner.
At Monash Medical Centre, haematologist Dr Zoe McQuilten is using plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients. She wants to see if giving the plasma – and the antibodies it contains – to newly infected people can help boost their immune system.
Provisional approval has also been granted by the Therapeutic Goods Administration for the use of Remdisivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus, in hospitalised patients.
In Australia, 85% of people with COVID-19 who end up in critical care will recover. In Britain, that number is 60%, and just 30% in the United States.
At St Vincent’s Hospital in Melbourne, researchers are studying the use of blood thinning medication: “We did a study of inhaled heparin before the COVID outbreak, in patients with lung injury from pneumonia – similar to the COVID patients – and found that giving people inhaled heparin accelerated their recovery,” (snip) “So we know already that heparin has benefit in patients with this type of pneumonia, but heparin also binds with COVID, and so we think it inactivates COVID as well.”
At Austin Health: The intravenous fluid contains zinc chloride, as part of a clinical trial by the Department of Surgery at the University of Melbourne, to see if zinc can help COVID patients with deteriorating conditions recover sooner.
At Monash Medical Centre, haematologist Dr Zoe McQuilten is using plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients. She wants to see if giving the plasma – and the antibodies it contains – to newly infected people can help boost their immune system.
Provisional approval has also been granted by the Therapeutic Goods Administration for the use of Remdisivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus, in hospitalised patients.
“Dr Patel said studies have shown that zinc is very effective at slowing the rate that similar viruses such as SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) and common cold (a type of coronavirus) replicate in the body.
“Our published studies have also shown that high doses of zinc can protect vital organs such as the heart, kidneys and liver against the damage caused by a lack of oxygen,” Dr Patel said.”
In Australia, 85% of people with COVID-19 who end up in critical care will recover. In Britain, that number is 60%, and just 30% in the United States.
At St Vincent’s Hospital in Melbourne, researchers are studying the use of blood thinning medication: “We did a study of inhaled heparin before the COVID outbreak, in patients with lung injury from pneumonia – similar to the COVID patients – and found that giving people inhaled heparin accelerated their recovery,” (snip) “So we know already that heparin has benefit in patients with this type of pneumonia, but heparin also binds with COVID, and so we think it inactivates COVID as well.”
At Austin Health: The intravenous fluid contains zinc chloride, as part of a clinical trial by the Department of Surgery at the University of Melbourne, to see if zinc can help COVID patients with deteriorating conditions recover sooner.
At Monash Medical Centre, haematologist Dr Zoe McQuilten is using plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients. She wants to see if giving the plasma – and the antibodies it contains – to newly infected people can help boost their immune system.
Provisional approval has also been granted by the Therapeutic Goods Administration for the use of Remdisivir, the first drug shown to be effective against the virus, in hospitalised patients.
“Dr Patel said studies have shown that zinc is very effective at slowing the rate that similar viruses such as SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) and common cold (a type of coronavirus) replicate in the body.
“Our published studies have also shown that high doses of zinc can protect vital organs such as the heart, kidneys and liver against the damage caused by a lack of oxygen,” Dr Patel said.”
I haven’t mentioned yet an useful invention of mine from several years back. Comes in very useful in Covid-19 times.
I call it a cofferchief. It’s the size and shape of a (small) handkerchief but is made of flannelette.
That makes it much better than all of handkerchief, tissue and elbow at stopping coughs and sneezes.
Fold it double and you can guarantee that no germs from a cough will get through to any other part of your body.
Not suitable for blowing noses. Suitable for all coughs and sneezes. Machine washable.
I’ve been carrying a couple of mine around lately.
Think of it as effective hand-held face mask.
Unlikely that earlier mask use would have prevented Victoria’s latest surge: DCMO
With masks now coming into effect in Victoria, Dr Coatsworth has been asked if instituting mask use earlier would have prevented this rise in cases. He says that’s not very likely.
“I think that it would be a contentious point for anyone, even the most strident mask advocate, to suggest that the current levels of transmission in Victoria could have been avoided with an earlier mask-use policy,” he said.
“The reason for that is clear in the epidemiology of the infections in Victoria. They originated from household outbreaks and then spread out into the community. You don’t wear a mask in your household, so while we will continue to say they have an effect in reducing transmission, the submission that they significantly blunt an epidemic curve is not supported at the moment.”
Masks also do not prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Security Guard Sex, they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Meat Murder Processing, they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Primary Or Secondary Schooling, and they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during shared use of common spaces (like elevators) in apartments.
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Yet Again, More Proof That People’s Opium Spreads Like A Virus
Health authorities are appealing for worshippers at a western Sydney church to immediately self-isolate after two parishioners tested positive for coronavirus. NSW Health said anyone who attended Our Lady of Lebanon Cathedral in Harris Park across three days last week must come forward for testing, even if they were not experiencing symptoms of the virus. Two parishioners who attended services on these days returned a positive result for COVID-19, NSW Health confirmed. It comes after a person who contracted coronavirus as part of the Thai Rock restaurant cluster attended the Our Lady of Lebanon Cathedral on three days before testing positive.
NSW Health said it continued to advise “against group singing and chanting in religious services, including choirs, given the high risk of transmission associated with these activities”. “This is particularly important at this time as NSW responds to a number of COVID outbreaks.”
All the newly-identified cases were from known sources, which the Premier said was “one positive take”. Of the 20 people diagnosed yesterday, three were related to the Crossroads Hotel cluster in south-west Sydney, bringing the total cases there to 48. Another eight were related to the Thai Rock restaurant in Wetherill Park shopping centre and another four are connected to the Batemans Bay Soldiers Club on the NSW South Coast.
Obviously wearing masks wouldn’t have prevented these outbreaks either, they would have (1) led to complacency and increased face-touching and hence even higher transmission rates, and (2) done absolutely nothing because these are all family clusters, all outbreaks are family clusters.
New Tasmanian coronavirus case confirmed as young woman returning from Victoria
Tasmania’s 65-day run of being coronavirus free has ended with a new case confirmed by authorities. This evening, Dr Scott McKeown, acting director of Public Health, Public Health Services, confirmed the case was a “young woman” who had been in hotel quarantine after returning to Tasmania from Victoria.
“Importantly, this one has been picked up in our hotel quarantine.”
New Tasmanian coronavirus case confirmed as young woman returning from Victoria
Tasmania’s 65-day run of being coronavirus free has ended with a new case confirmed by authorities. This evening, Dr Scott McKeown, acting director of Public Health, Public Health Services, confirmed the case was a “young woman” who had been in hotel quarantine after returning to Tasmania from Victoria.
“Importantly, this one has been picked up in our hotel quarantine.”
New Tasmanian coronavirus case confirmed as young woman returning from Victoria
Tasmania’s 65-day run of being coronavirus free has ended with a new case confirmed by authorities. This evening, Dr Scott McKeown, acting director of Public Health, Public Health Services, confirmed the case was a “young woman” who had been in hotel quarantine after returning to Tasmania from Victoria.
“Importantly, this one has been picked up in our hotel quarantine.”
New Tasmanian coronavirus case confirmed as young woman returning from Victoria
Tasmania’s 65-day run of being coronavirus free has ended with a new case confirmed by authorities. This evening, Dr Scott McKeown, acting director of Public Health, Public Health Services, confirmed the case was a “young woman” who had been in hotel quarantine after returning to Tasmania from Victoria.
“Importantly, this one has been picked up in our hotel quarantine.”
So are you back to eradication is the answer as opposed to suppression like in China and Vietnam? You understand it is hard to keep up…
the only sensible thing to do really is to maintain the objective of elimination, renormalize economic activity with that objective incorporated
China has eradicated it. The only people who have it in China now are those who caught it overseas and were spotted by immigration.
without accusing any of you of putting words in the mouths of scientists, we reiterate that we have through the entire pandemic to date supported the reduction of caseload to zero, and any other representation of our position is a misrepresentation, quite possibly deliberate
mollwollfumble, note that reimported cases can set off local transmission again so the work must be done again and again
mollwollfumble, note that reimported cases can set off local transmission again so the work must be done again and again
I’m talking specifically of China. Imported cases have not set off any local transmission because all imported cases and all contacts of those imported cases have been closely monitored.
the only sensible thing to do really is to maintain the objective of elimination, renormalize economic activity with that objective incorporated
China has eradicated it. The only people who have it in China now are those who caught it overseas and were spotted by immigration.
without accusing any of you of putting words in the mouths of scientists, we reiterate that we have through the entire pandemic to date supported the reduction of caseload to zero, and any other representation of our position is a misrepresentation, quite possibly deliberate
mollwollfumble, note that reimported cases can set off local transmission again so the work must be done again and again
China has eradicated it. The only people who have it in China now are those who caught it overseas and were spotted by immigration.
without accusing any of you of putting words in the mouths of scientists, we reiterate that we have through the entire pandemic to date supported the reduction of caseload to zero, and any other representation of our position is a misrepresentation, quite possibly deliberate
mollwollfumble, note that reimported cases can set off local transmission again so the work must be done again and again
> without accusing any of you of putting words in the mouths of scientists, we reiterate that we have through the entire pandemic to date supported the reduction of caseload to zero.
Ditto AIDS, malaria, rabies, pneumonia, TB, influenza, measles, cholera, diphtheria, MRSA, Ebola and the common cold.
My mother’s care plan means she will not be taken to ICU if she contracts the virus. Not sure what they would put on a death certificate at this point…she has leukemia and she is 90 years old. She is basically going to die of Old Age and it’s any time it happens. We had a family meeting in December with her doctor and she is to be cared for in place with no heroics. Pain relief only. I know from years of discussion with her that she wishes to slip away. She is not afraid. As she is in Melbourne we would not be able to be with her anyway.
VILNIUS – A special ceremony was held in Vilnius on Tuesday morning to mark the departure of the first batch of medical supplies donated by Lithuania to the US to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.
“This is a symbolic gesture of solidarity and friendship. Lithuania is sending personal protective equipment to Pennsylvania for the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic,” Deputy Foreign Minister Dalius Cekuolis told BNS.
Cekuolis and Robert S. Gilchrist, the US ambassador to Lithuania, placed symbolic “Stronger Together” stickers on the first batch of protective face shields during the event at a logistics center near Vilnius Airport.
“Our ties with Pennsylvania are historical because it is the second state after Illinois to have had so many Lithuanian immigrants,” the Lithuanian diplomat said. “There are deep ties between the Pennsylvania National Guard and our Armed Forces”.
The first batch of medical supplies is expected to be flown to the US on July 20, with the remaining, larger part of the humanitarian aid shipment to be delivered by water within a month.
“It means a lot to my embassy, to Americans working everyday here in Lithuania,” Gilchrist told BNS. “This gift – it means a lot to America, so thank you, Lithuania”.
The money was used to purchase supplies manufactured in Lithuania, including 11,400 protective face shields from Medienos Era, over 10,700 disposable isolation gowns from Interscalit, and over 19,600 pieces of lung equipment from Intersurgical.
VILNIUS – A special ceremony was held in Vilnius on Tuesday morning to mark the departure of the first batch of medical supplies donated by Lithuania to the US to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.
“This is a symbolic gesture of solidarity and friendship. Lithuania is sending personal protective equipment to Pennsylvania for the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic,” Deputy Foreign Minister Dalius Cekuolis told BNS.
Cekuolis and Robert S. Gilchrist, the US ambassador to Lithuania, placed symbolic “Stronger Together” stickers on the first batch of protective face shields during the event at a logistics center near Vilnius Airport.
“Our ties with Pennsylvania are historical because it is the second state after Illinois to have had so many Lithuanian immigrants,” the Lithuanian diplomat said. “There are deep ties between the Pennsylvania National Guard and our Armed Forces”.
The first batch of medical supplies is expected to be flown to the US on July 20, with the remaining, larger part of the humanitarian aid shipment to be delivered by water within a month.
“It means a lot to my embassy, to Americans working everyday here in Lithuania,” Gilchrist told BNS. “This gift – it means a lot to America, so thank you, Lithuania”.
The money was used to purchase supplies manufactured in Lithuania, including 11,400 protective face shields from Medienos Era, over 10,700 disposable isolation gowns from Interscalit, and over 19,600 pieces of lung equipment from Intersurgical.
VILNIUS – A special ceremony was held in Vilnius on Tuesday morning to mark the departure of the first batch of medical supplies donated by Lithuania to the US to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.
“This is a symbolic gesture of solidarity and friendship. Lithuania is sending personal protective equipment to Pennsylvania for the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic,” Deputy Foreign Minister Dalius Cekuolis told BNS.
Cekuolis and Robert S. Gilchrist, the US ambassador to Lithuania, placed symbolic “Stronger Together” stickers on the first batch of protective face shields during the event at a logistics center near Vilnius Airport.
“Our ties with Pennsylvania are historical because it is the second state after Illinois to have had so many Lithuanian immigrants,” the Lithuanian diplomat said. “There are deep ties between the Pennsylvania National Guard and our Armed Forces”.
The first batch of medical supplies is expected to be flown to the US on July 20, with the remaining, larger part of the humanitarian aid shipment to be delivered by water within a month.
“It means a lot to my embassy, to Americans working everyday here in Lithuania,” Gilchrist told BNS. “This gift – it means a lot to America, so thank you, Lithuania”.
The money was used to purchase supplies manufactured in Lithuania, including 11,400 protective face shields from Medienos Era, over 10,700 disposable isolation gowns from Interscalit, and over 19,600 pieces of lung equipment from Intersurgical.
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
surely it doesn’t cost that much to develop an app.
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
surely it doesn’t cost that much to develop an app.
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
surely it doesn’t cost that much to develop an app.
(inc. advertising)
Does the app itself have advertising say for the Liberal party
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
It hasn’t been successful anywhere because Google and Apple don’t want to play properly..
Singapore have built their own little device independent of phones that is dedicated to Cv tracking, it fits in your pocket or purse.
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
It hasn’t been successful anywhere because Google and Apple don’t want to play properly..
Singapore have built their own little device independent of phones that is dedicated to Cv tracking, it fits in your pocket or purse.
the other day at Bounce they had a QR code that you scanned and it took you to a website that you then entered your name and email addy into… I though that was a neat system…
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
It hasn’t been successful anywhere because Google and Apple don’t want to play properly..
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
It hasn’t been successful anywhere because Google and Apple don’t want to play properly..
It looks like the Covid Safe App has poured $70mil into the hands of close associates of the Liberal Party and has not yet produced a single workable trace – Nor is it ever likely to.
It hasn’t been successful anywhere because Google and Apple don’t want to play properly..
Thirteen new cases of coronavirus have been diagnosed in NSW overnight – including 10 cases associated with a cluster from the Thai Rock restaurant in Wetherill Park.
That cluster now stands at 26, while the cluster from the Crossroads Hotel has grown to 50.
One of the new cases is a traveller in hotel quarantine.
All of the 12 locally acquired cases have been traced to known sources.
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
how many did download it?
I didn’t. Here’s the thing: my phone is about 18 months old, and yet has an operating system that is too old to run the app. And I’m not buying a new phone to run the app. They can give me a new phone if they want…
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
how many did download it?
I didn’t. Here’s the thing: my phone is about 18 months old, and yet has an operating system that is too old to run the app. And I’m not buying a new phone to run the app. They can give me a new phone if they want…
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
how many did download it?
I didn’t. Here’s the thing: my phone is about 18 months old, and yet has an operating system that is too old to run the app. And I’m not buying a new phone to run the app. They can give me a new phone if they want…
My mobile phone is just that, a mobile phone, I’ve got several Tablets, Laptops and desktops if I want to use the interweb.
I didn’t. Here’s the thing: my phone is about 18 months old, and yet has an operating system that is too old to run the app. And I’m not buying a new phone to run the app. They can give me a new phone if they want…
My mobile phone is just that, a mobile phone, I’ve got several Tablets, Laptops and desktops if I want to use the interweb.
and you don’t need Facebook because now you have a drone to spy on your neighbours.
I didn’t. Here’s the thing: my phone is about 18 months old, and yet has an operating system that is too old to run the app. And I’m not buying a new phone to run the app. They can give me a new phone if they want…
My mobile phone is just that, a mobile phone, I’ve got several Tablets, Laptops and desktops if I want to use the interweb.
I didn’t. Here’s the thing: my phone is about 18 months old, and yet has an operating system that is too old to run the app. And I’m not buying a new phone to run the app. They can give me a new phone if they want…
My mobile phone is just that, a mobile phone, I’ve got several Tablets, Laptops and desktops if I want to use the interweb.
and you don’t need Facebook because now you have a drone to spy on your neighbours.
I wrote loud and often that the chances of spending 15 minutes at 1.5 meters apart with someone that has the app and has their phone on when you are out and about is bugger all, let alone the chances of one of you having the virus.
what if 99.9999% of True Australians had downloaded it like they wanted
I didn’t. Here’s the thing: my phone is about 18 months old, and yet has an operating system that is too old to run the app. And I’m not buying a new phone to run the app. They can give me a new phone if they want…
My mobile phone is just that, a mobile phone, I’ve got several Tablets, Laptops and desktops if I want to use the interweb.
and you don’t need Facebook because now you have a drone to spy on your neighbours.
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Anyway since we SCIENCE have gone off the rails a tiny bit about all these technology things we’re talking about, here’s our next idea / prediction You Know It’s True.
Remember how they finally worked out that virus spreads by particles in the air (amazing, we know). Remember how we have any number of air quality monitors and use them for bushfires (like we do masks, so also remember how we should never have run into that mask shortage that we did). Remember how there are also any number of indoor air filters, air ionisers, air wtfers. Remember that COVID-19 seems to superspread indoors so much more than outdoors.
Imagine If We Had Devices That Monitor Spaces For Not Just General Air Quality, But Could Report Particular Dangers, Particulate Dangers, And In The Near Future, Actually Detect Viruses Or Other Organics Or Similar!
Wouldn’t need phase 3481679476 trials like any immunisations, either. Someone might still play it to TGA approval, especially if it also zaps them viruses, with some very bright light, or with bleach or something.
the only sensible thing to do really is to maintain the objective of elimination, renormalize economic activity with that objective incorporated
China has eradicated it. The only people who have it in China now are those who caught it overseas and were spotted by immigration.
without accusing any of you of putting words in the mouths of scientists, we reiterate that we have through the entire pandemic to date supported the reduction of caseload to zero, and any other representation of our position is a misrepresentation, quite possibly deliberate
mollwollfumble, note that reimported cases can set off local transmission again so the work must be done again and again
Mr Morrison said the JobKeeper payment will reduce to $1200 per fortnight while the JobSeeker payment will drop to $750 per fortnight.
Mr Morrison said changes to JobSeeker payments will change towards the end of September.
From August 4 those on the payment will be required to connect with employment services and take part in job searches.
“For JobSeeker, we’re increasing the income-free area that is available to those who are on JobSeeker to $300. That means you can earn $300 without it affecting any of your JobSeeker payments,” Mr Morrison said.
“We’re adjusting the COVID supplement down to $250.
“So that means you can earn 300 where you may have been getting $550 before, you can earn $300 and then there’s the $250 supplement that will come through the COVID Supplement and that will run out till the end of this year.
“We will be reintroducing mutual obligation in two phases – from 4 August we will be requiring people to connect again to employment services and to undertake four job searches a month and – the penalties regime will kick in if people refuse a job that has been provided and offered through that process.”
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Anyway since we SCIENCE have gone off the rails a tiny bit about all these technology things we’re talking about, here’s our next idea / prediction You Know It’s True.
Remember how they finally worked out that virus spreads by particles in the air (amazing, we know). Remember how we have any number of air quality monitors and use them for bushfires (like we do masks, so also remember how we should never have run into that mask shortage that we did). Remember how there are also any number of indoor air filters, air ionisers, air wtfers. Remember that COVID-19 seems to superspread indoors so much more than outdoors.
Imagine If We Had Devices That Monitor Spaces For Not Just General Air Quality, But Could Report Particular Dangers, Particulate Dangers, And In The Near Future, Actually Detect Viruses Or Other Organics Or Similar!
Wouldn’t need phase 3481679476 trials like any immunisations, either. Someone might still play it to TGA approval, especially if it also zaps them viruses, with some very bright light, or with bleach or something.
St Louis couple Mark and Patricia McCloskey charged after pointing weapons at Black Lives Matter protesters
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-21/st-louis-couple-mark-patricia-mccloskey-charged-weapons-offences/12476102
Both are personal injury lawyers, both don’t really know what their jobs mean.
St Louis couple Mark and Patricia McCloskey charged after pointing weapons at Black Lives Matter protesters
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-21/st-louis-couple-mark-patricia-mccloskey-charged-weapons-offences/12476102
Both are personal injury lawyers, both don’t really know what their jobs mean.
St Louis couple Mark and Patricia McCloskey charged after pointing weapons at Black Lives Matter protesters
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-21/st-louis-couple-mark-patricia-mccloskey-charged-weapons-offences/12476102
Both are personal injury lawyers, both don’t really know what their jobs mean.
Pity, some might say it’s more fun to have rolling lockdowns!
Congratulations though.
People are still madly cleaning everything though, perhaps it reduces other illness transmission
without a doubt it reduces other illness transmission, but I don’t think the cleaning should stop.. after all, they just finished installing all the hand sanitisers everywhere… we can’t let that go to waste, are you MADCYMEK??
Pity, some might say it’s more fun to have rolling lockdowns!
Congratulations though.
thanks, we’d like to thank our dad (aka Marky McG) and god and the T&P’s from the rest of Australia in getting us through…
People are still madly cleaning everything though, perhaps it reduces other illness transmission
look it this way, in NSW they fkn killed off the ‘flu’, so if we really care about the Economy (Must Grow) and if we really think it’s a valid argument “no worse than the ‘flu’!”, then maybe that’s a good thing
Pity, some might say it’s more fun to have rolling lockdowns!
Congratulations though.
People are still madly cleaning everything though, perhaps it reduces other illness transmission
without a doubt it reduces other illness transmission, but I don’t think the cleaning should stop.. after all, they just finished installing all the hand sanitisers everywhere… we can’t let that go to waste, are you MADCYMEK??
West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has apologised after a 15-year-old boy intercepted confidential Health Department messages and published them online. The internal messages were originally transmitted using a pager service and included the names and details of people being treated for COVID-19.
“SMSs apparently are far more secure, and Health will move to that, and we’re going to look to whether other Government instrumentalities that may use pagers need to go to that system.” The paging service has been used by the Government for the past 12 years and Mr McGowan said the Health Department and other agencies had continued using it as it was more reliable than SMS. “They said that it is a more certain way of transmitting information than an SMS, so they’re confident the information gets through,” he said.
Obviously Mark’s Fault, He Didn’t Know Pagers Are Still Being Used
West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has apologised after a 15-year-old boy intercepted confidential Health Department messages and published them online. The internal messages were originally transmitted using a pager service and included the names and details of people being treated for COVID-19.
“SMSs apparently are far more secure, and Health will move to that, and we’re going to look to whether other Government instrumentalities that may use pagers need to go to that system.” The paging service has been used by the Government for the past 12 years and Mr McGowan said the Health Department and other agencies had continued using it as it was more reliable than SMS. “They said that it is a more certain way of transmitting information than an SMS, so they’re confident the information gets through,” he said.
Obviously Mark’s Fault, He Didn’t Know Pagers Are Still Being Used
But really? Pagers are more certain? WTF¿
Doesn’t the option exist for SMS for both a received and read option sent back to you
Yes. Pages are sent out instantly and I think they have some sort of verification of receipt, while SMS are kinda put in a queue and may or may not get to where they are meant to go within a reasonable timeframe.
Unfortunately, the pager system is insecure and unencoded.
Yes. Pages are sent out instantly and I think they have some sort of verification of receipt, while SMS are kinda put in a queue and may or may not get to where they are meant to go within a reasonable timeframe.
Unfortunately, the pager system is insecure and unencoded.
They’re radios.
First rule of radio security: there is ALWAYS someone listening in.
Yes. Pages are sent out instantly and I think they have some sort of verification of receipt, while SMS are kinda put in a queue and may or may not get to where they are meant to go within a reasonable timeframe.
Unfortunately, the pager system is insecure and unencoded.
They’re radios.
First rule of radio security: there is ALWAYS someone listening in.
Yes. Pages are sent out instantly and I think they have some sort of verification of receipt, while SMS are kinda put in a queue and may or may not get to where they are meant to go within a reasonable timeframe.
Unfortunately, the pager system is insecure and unencoded.
They’re radios.
First rule of radio security: there is ALWAYS someone listening in.
Soviet Union sleeper agents
fair enough, we were taught that unless you had closed loop from the person, then you couldn’t be confident they had gotten the message
do pager respondents ever respond with “oh sorry missed your last N pages”
24 minutes ago
Victorian prisons go into lockdown due to positive test
A staff member at the Ravenhall prison in Melbourne’s west has tested positive and because of that, five other prisons have gone into lockdown.
They include:
Hopkins Correctional Centre, near Ararat
Barwon Prison, near Geelong
Langi Kal Kal Prison, west of Ballarat
Fulham Correctional Centre in Gippsland
Loddon Prison Precinct, near Castlemaine
Obviously prisoners weren’t running around in the general public that much anyway, but now it seems whatever movement they were allowed is being restricted.
Bugger
I did some work at Ravenhall prison last year. It’s quite a big place.
License plates?
Laundry and some occasional work in a kitchen.
¿ remember how we used to talk smack about countries with huge fing inequality and that couldn’t keep their most disadvantaged people safe ?
“The preliminary results of a clinical trial suggest a new treatment for Covid-19 reduces the number of patients needing intensive care, according to the UK company that developed it.
The treatment from Southampton-based biotech Synairgen uses a protein called interferon beta which the body produces when it gets a viral infection.
The protein is inhaled directly into the lungs of patients with coronavirus, using a nebuliser, in the hope that it will stimulate an immune response.
The initial findings suggest the treatment cut the odds of a Covid-19 patient in hospital developing severe disease – such as requiring ventilation – by 79%.
Patients were two to three times more likely to recover to the point where everyday activities were not compromised by their illness, Synairgen claims.”
Bold claims but not published or peer reviewed yet and could take months before it is approved for use.
Could be kosher but time will tell.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53467022
It said the trial also indicated “very significant” reductions in breathlessness among patients who received the treatment.
In addition, the average time patients spent in hospital is said to have been reduced by a third, for those receiving the new drug – down from an average of nine days to six days.
“The preliminary results of a clinical trial suggest a new treatment for Covid-19 reduces the number of patients needing intensive care, according to the UK company that developed it.
The treatment from Southampton-based biotech Synairgen uses a protein called interferon beta which the body produces when it gets a viral infection.
The protein is inhaled directly into the lungs of patients with coronavirus, using a nebuliser, in the hope that it will stimulate an immune response.
The initial findings suggest the treatment cut the odds of a Covid-19 patient in hospital developing severe disease – such as requiring ventilation – by 79%.
Patients were two to three times more likely to recover to the point where everyday activities were not compromised by their illness, Synairgen claims.”
Bold claims but not published or peer reviewed yet and could take months before it is approved for use.
Could be kosher but time will tell.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53467022
It said the trial also indicated “very significant” reductions in breathlessness among patients who received the treatment.
In addition, the average time patients spent in hospital is said to have been reduced by a third, for those receiving the new drug – down from an average of nine days to six days.
Wasn’t interferon the wonder drug to beat cancer back in the 80s?
“The preliminary results of a clinical trial suggest a new treatment for Covid-19 reduces the number of patients needing intensive care, according to the UK company that developed it.
The treatment from Southampton-based biotech Synairgen uses a protein called interferon beta which the body produces when it gets a viral infection.
The protein is inhaled directly into the lungs of patients with coronavirus, using a nebuliser, in the hope that it will stimulate an immune response.
The initial findings suggest the treatment cut the odds of a Covid-19 patient in hospital developing severe disease – such as requiring ventilation – by 79%.
Patients were two to three times more likely to recover to the point where everyday activities were not compromised by their illness, Synairgen claims.”
Bold claims but not published or peer reviewed yet and could take months before it is approved for use.
Could be kosher but time will tell.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53467022
It said the trial also indicated “very significant” reductions in breathlessness among patients who received the treatment.
In addition, the average time patients spent in hospital is said to have been reduced by a third, for those receiving the new drug – down from an average of nine days to six days.
Wasn’t interferon the wonder drug to beat cancer back in the 80s?
More than 40 aged care homes in Victoria have now reported infections.
Yesterday infections at St Basil’s Home for the Aged in Fawkner quadrupled from 13 to 51.
Up to 42 cases have been linked to Estia Health in Ardeer, 31 to Glendale Aged Care at Werribee and 17 to Embracia Aged Care at Avondale Heights.
As a result of these outbreaks, the Victorian Government is restricting access to aged care homes even further.
From now on, carers will only be allowed on the premises for one hour a day and $1,500 is being offered to staff members if they need to quarantine.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-aged-care/12478472
This does not accord with the DHHS update from yesterday, I can only count 6 aged care homes in the list.
51 cases have been linked to St Basil’s Homes for the Aged in Fawkner
31 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care facility in Werribee
17 cases have been linked to Embracia Aged Care Moonee Valley in Avondale Heights
There have also been new outbreaks identified in aged care with both Iris Manor in Ashburton and Mercy Place in Parkville notifying single cases, while two cases have been linked to Epping Gardens Aged Care.
More than 40 aged care homes in Victoria have now reported infections.
Yesterday infections at St Basil’s Home for the Aged in Fawkner quadrupled from 13 to 51.
Up to 42 cases have been linked to Estia Health in Ardeer, 31 to Glendale Aged Care at Werribee and 17 to Embracia Aged Care at Avondale Heights.
As a result of these outbreaks, the Victorian Government is restricting access to aged care homes even further.
From now on, carers will only be allowed on the premises for one hour a day and $1,500 is being offered to staff members if they need to quarantine.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-aged-care/12478472
This does not accord with the DHHS update from yesterday, I can only count 6 aged care homes in the list.
51 cases have been linked to St Basil’s Homes for the Aged in Fawkner
31 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care facility in Werribee
17 cases have been linked to Embracia Aged Care Moonee Valley in Avondale Heights
There have also been new outbreaks identified in aged care with both Iris Manor in Ashburton and Mercy Place in Parkville notifying single cases, while two cases have been linked to Epping Gardens Aged Care.
More than 40 aged care homes in Victoria have now reported infections.
Yesterday infections at St Basil’s Home for the Aged in Fawkner quadrupled from 13 to 51.
Up to 42 cases have been linked to Estia Health in Ardeer, 31 to Glendale Aged Care at Werribee and 17 to Embracia Aged Care at Avondale Heights.
As a result of these outbreaks, the Victorian Government is restricting access to aged care homes even further.
From now on, carers will only be allowed on the premises for one hour a day and $1,500 is being offered to staff members if they need to quarantine.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-aged-care/12478472
This does not accord with the DHHS update from yesterday, I can only count 6 aged care homes in the list.
51 cases have been linked to St Basil’s Homes for the Aged in Fawkner
31 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care facility in Werribee
17 cases have been linked to Embracia Aged Care Moonee Valley in Avondale Heights
There have also been new outbreaks identified in aged care with both Iris Manor in Ashburton and Mercy Place in Parkville notifying single cases, while two cases have been linked to Epping Gardens Aged Care.
Deaths in the US yesterday were 1122. This is the first time the deaths have been over 1000 since early June. Arizona, Florida, California and Texas accounted for most of the deaths.
On the plus side the new cases per day might be starting to stabilise?
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
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Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
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Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
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Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
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Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
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Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
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I found that surprising. I’m pretty sure you are told when you are tested to go home to await your test results. 90% seems an extraordinarily high number of people not listening.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
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Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
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I got cold/flu symptoms on Monday night, and Tuesday is my usual shopping day so I had to do grocery shopping or starve. I wasn’t coughing or sneezing and wasn’t leaking fluids, and went at a quiet time of the day and used the self-serve checkouts for the first time in years. I am now settled in and do not need to leave the house until the results come back.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
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Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
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I found that surprising. I’m pretty sure you are told when you are tested to go home to await your test results. 90% seems an extraordinarily high number of people not listening.
I blame it on Atomic Mortgage syndrome. They have to go to work or they go into default on the mortgage and the stress increases, and quality of life drops, almost immediately.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
I found that surprising. I’m pretty sure you are told when you are tested to go home to await your test results. 90% seems an extraordinarily high number of people not listening.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
I got cold/flu symptoms on Monday night, and Tuesday is my usual shopping day so I had to do grocery shopping or starve. I wasn’t coughing or sneezing and wasn’t leaking fluids, and went at a quiet time of the day and used the self-serve checkouts for the first time in years. I am now settled in and do not need to leave the house until the results come back.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
I got cold/flu symptoms on Monday night, and Tuesday is my usual shopping day so I had to do grocery shopping or starve. I wasn’t coughing or sneezing and wasn’t leaking fluids, and went at a quiet time of the day and used the self-serve checkouts for the first time in years. I am now settled in and do not need to leave the house until the results come back.
I would be included in that 90%.
By the way…I think the app requires you to be within 1.5m of someone for >15 minutes for it to consider you a risk. You probably didn’t do that.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said from the 3,810 cases between July 7 to July 21, 3,400 cases did not isolate when they first felt sick and when they went to get a test.
“Now, that’s an interesting measure in that people have felt sick, they’ve got symptoms, and they’ve kept going shopping. They’ve kept going to work,” Mr Andrews said.
“But the only thing you can do when you feel sick — the one and only thing that you can and must do when you feel sick is to go and get tested. Nothing else is acceptable.
“And if people don’t do that, then we will continue to see numbers increase.
“I’m being as frank, as blunt, as clear as I can. Because this message is central to the overall success —or otherwise — of the strategy and the restrictions that we have in place.”
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Holy! 90%. That is dreadful.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
I got cold/flu symptoms on Monday night, and Tuesday is my usual shopping day so I had to do grocery shopping or starve. I wasn’t coughing or sneezing and wasn’t leaking fluids, and went at a quiet time of the day and used the self-serve checkouts for the first time in years. I am now settled in and do not need to leave the house until the results come back.
By the way…I think the app requires you to be within 1.5m of someone for >15 minutes for it to consider you a risk. You probably didn’t do that.
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So… downloading poorly-functioning software that will only flag if you’ve been within 1.5 m of someone for over 15 minutes, with a view to being the Next Big Thing In Contact Tracing will only ever make our pandemic control better and better especially if every single last person does it… but wearing a mask at all is just a huge complacency risk and more likely to spread infection because you touched your face and reused old masks and thought it would be safe to go out more often wearing it?
No fucking wonder it’s the poorer and developing and ASIAN countries that seem to have a better time controlling this shit.
“The flyer given to people who are being tested says you do not need to self isolate whilst awaiting the results. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons people aren’t self isolating after a test”
The daughter of a Perth man who died in hospital overnight has been told she must remain in mandatory isolation in a hotel after flying in from Melbourne to be with her family. Ms Southern said all her family had wanted was to be together, and that they would be willing to take any measure which would allow that to happen safely.
“Everything changed so quickly, he’s gone, and I am here all alone in my hotel room dealing with this unfathomable grief and a system that has not listened and does not show compassion.”
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Maybe show compassion to the other 7000000000 people on this world, for whom this would not need to happen if we had shit under control. Maybe!
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Good News! We Are Now Able To Turn COVID-19 Patients Into Actual Zombies
Note: we don’t believe this is particularly good news. It more represents the finding that we now have growing numbers of patients who are fucked. That said, apparently “Globally, about 60 per cent of COVID-19 patients put on ECMO have survived, said Professor Fraser.”.
Every day we’re hearing about the number of coronavirus cases in Australia, how many people are in hospital, in intensive care units and on ventilators. But there is another technique you may not have heard of that’s starting to be used more and more frequently in very severe cases of COVID-19, according to intensive care specialist John Fraser — extracorporeal membrane oxygenation or ECMO (pronounced ECK-moh).
Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation is when you take a patient’s blood out of their body via a big pipe or cannula to the ECMO machine. This machine removes the carbon dioxide from the blood, adds oxygen, and then returns the bright red oxygenated blood to the body via another big pipe. It’s a very expensive and super-specialised technique with significant risk, Professor Fraser said. ECMO is only used after a patient is put on a ventilator. It requires a whole team of people to make it work, including intensive care doctors who specialise in ECMO, specialist nurses to be with the patient all the time, and in some cases, clinical perfusionists, who operate the ECMO machine.
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Even Doctors Disagree: After It’s Too Early, It Will Be Too Late!
Australian Medical Association NSW President Danielle McMullen agreed, saying it was too early to tell if the state had enough community transmission for a mandatory mask policy to be effective or necessary. “As a broad measure, they are not likely to achieve much,” Dr McMullen said.
The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee’s advice is that masks are not recommended for the wider community, but can be helpful if a person living in an area with high community transmission is unable to socially distance.
However, none of the authorities could identify a point both
(1) late enough that we could be sure an area had dangerously high community transmission, and
(2) early enough that we could prevent high community transmission safely.
“The advice is not to catch public transport and wear a mask. The advice is to completely reconsider how you get to work if that’s possible, and avoid public transport,” Dr Coatsworth said. It remained open to speculation whether he had shares in oil companies or car manufacturers. He said there was no evidence that mandating mask use could “stop or blunt the epidemiological curve” of COVID-19 outbreaks and that it was wrong to suggest earlier mask use could have saved Victoria from its current levels of transmission, because “they originated from household outbreaks and … you don’t wear a mask in your household”.
We’ve already discussed this one. Masks also do not prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Security Guard Sex, they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Meat Murder Processing, they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Primary Or Secondary Schooling, and they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during shared use of common spaces (like elevators) in apartments. We have no evidence that mandating mask use stops or blunts the epidemiological curve of COVID-19 in Australia, because We’ve Never Fucking Done It!
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Even Doctors Disagree: After It’s Too Early, It Will Be Too Late!
Australian Medical Association NSW President Danielle McMullen agreed, saying it was too early to tell if the state had enough community transmission for a mandatory mask policy to be effective or necessary. “As a broad measure, they are not likely to achieve much,” Dr McMullen said.
The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee’s advice is that masks are not recommended for the wider community, but can be helpful if a person living in an area with high community transmission is unable to socially distance.
However, none of the authorities could identify a point both
(1) late enough that we could be sure an area had dangerously high community transmission, and
(2) early enough that we could prevent high community transmission safely.
“The advice is not to catch public transport and wear a mask. The advice is to completely reconsider how you get to work if that’s possible, and avoid public transport,” Dr Coatsworth said. It remained open to speculation whether he had shares in oil companies or car manufacturers. He said there was no evidence that mandating mask use could “stop or blunt the epidemiological curve” of COVID-19 outbreaks and that it was wrong to suggest earlier mask use could have saved Victoria from its current levels of transmission, because “they originated from household outbreaks and … you don’t wear a mask in your household”.
We’ve already discussed this one. Masks also do not prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Security Guard Sex, they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Meat Murder Processing, they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during Primary Or Secondary Schooling, and they don’t prevent transmission of COVID-19 during shared use of common spaces (like elevators) in apartments. We have no evidence that mandating mask use stops or blunts the epidemiological curve of COVID-19 in Australia, because We’ve Never Fucking Done It!
I shouldn’t laugh because the subject matter isn’t funny but how you explain your position is sometimes funny imo.
Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
Fair shot, they are still telling people in VIC to make their own so we guess the supply concerns are still front of mind.
We do contend that we could should have been much better prepared for this, and cite
(1) bushfires, for which
(1.1) masks would reduce the inhalation of smoke, and
(1.2) although nobody seemed to care we may recognise that Public Health has successfully reduced tobacco use in recent decades;
(2) mask habits in other places where previous known epidemics have occurred
(2.1) demonstrating that mask use is not shown to be associated with increased risk of disease transmission, and
(2.2) proving that people can handle the use of masks, including reusable masks;
(3) Hong Kong where masks have come into favour because in fatal irony
(3.1) identity-concealing masks were banned except for medical reasons, but
(3.2) once the outbreak hit, the protests subsided;
(4) perhaps most pertinently, the fact that healthcare workers specifically use masks for infection control.
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Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
This.
There are so many masks available at the moment people are even getting picky about where they are made…
Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
Please don’t take this personally, but it really annoys me that our last line of defense (PPE) seems to be the first protective measure in our thinking. It’s the one we understand (like, I can see masks and gowns, right?) – but it’s the least effective at controlling the risk.
In modern safety thinking, if your PPE comes into play, you should be filling out a ‘Near-miss’ report.
Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
Fair shot, they are still telling people in VIC to make their own so we guess the supply concerns are still front of mind.
We do contend that we could should have been much better prepared for this, and cite
(1) bushfires, for which
(1.1) masks would reduce the inhalation of smoke, and
(1.2) although nobody seemed to care we may recognise that Public Health has successfully reduced tobacco use in recent decades;
(2) mask habits in other places where previous known epidemics have occurred
(2.1) demonstrating that mask use is not shown to be associated with increased risk of disease transmission, and
(2.2) proving that people can handle the use of masks, including reusable masks;
(3) Hong Kong where masks have come into favour because in fatal irony
(3.1) identity-concealing masks were banned except for medical reasons, but
(3.2) once the outbreak hit, the protests subsided;
(4) perhaps most pertinently, the fact that healthcare workers specifically use masks for infection control.
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Note of course that there are also precedents, such as:
The Box;
no hat no play;
combat armour;
wearing seatbelts while hoping never to crash;
we expect staff at sandwich bars to wash their hands and wear gloves after scratching under their tits / balls and before preparing our sandwiches.
I reckon in areas where the new coronavirus is known to be an expanding problem that people should be encouraged to keep a personal diary of contacts, with date and time, just an entry in a simple notepad would do, some financial incentive should be devised to encourage this
for the most part it’s to encourage self-monitoring, but can be called on by contact tracers if required
could be a great personal consciousness raising exercise
Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
Fair shot, they are still telling people in VIC to make their own so we guess the supply concerns are still front of mind.
We do contend that we could should have been much better prepared for this, and cite
(1) bushfires, for which
(1.1) masks would reduce the inhalation of smoke, and
(1.2) although nobody seemed to care we may recognise that Public Health has successfully reduced tobacco use in recent decades;
(2) mask habits in other places where previous known epidemics have occurred
(2.1) demonstrating that mask use is not shown to be associated with increased risk of disease transmission, and
(2.2) proving that people can handle the use of masks, including reusable masks;
(3) Hong Kong where masks have come into favour because in fatal irony
(3.1) identity-concealing masks were banned except for medical reasons, but
(3.2) once the outbreak hit, the protests subsided;
(4) perhaps most pertinently, the fact that healthcare workers specifically use masks for infection control.
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I tend to use this layout.
bushfires, for which
masks would reduce the inhalation of smoke, and
although nobody seemed to care we may recognise that Public Health has successfully reduced tobacco use in recent decades;
mask habits in other places where previous known epidemics have occurred
demonstrating that mask use is not shown to be associated with increased risk of disease transmission, and
proving that people can handle the use of masks, including reusable masks;
Hong Kong where masks have come into favour because in fatal irony
identity-concealing masks were banned except for medical reasons, but
once the outbreak hit, the protests subsided;
perhaps most pertinently, the fact that healthcare workers specifically use masks for infection control.
I reckon in areas where the new coronavirus is known to be an expanding problem that people should be encouraged to keep a personal diary of contacts, with date and time, just an entry in a simple notepad would do, some financial incentive should be devised to encourage this
for the most part it’s to encourage self-monitoring, but can be called on by contact tracers if required
could be a great personal consciousness raising exercise
You are asking for a level of honesty that doesn’t seem to be apparent.
Science, I suspect that initially there was a scramble to ensure the medicos had enough PPE and by persuading people to not rush to grab the masks was probably due to this reason in part. I think there has been a shift and it could be wise to use masks in addition to other precautions in hot spots or people who are at risk of severe complications due to existing conditions.
Please don’t take this personally, but it really annoys me that our last line of defense (PPE) seems to be the first protective measure in our thinking. It’s the one we understand (like, I can see masks and gowns, right?) – but it’s the least effective at controlling the risk.
In modern safety thinking, if your PPE comes into play, you should be filling out a ‘Near-miss’ report.
Near misses can be avoided by staying away from them by at least 1.5 metres omnidirectionally.
(CNN)Republicans in the Senate are roundly dismissing President Donald Trump’s call to withhold more federal aid from schools that remain shuttered during the coronavirus pandemic, the latest sign of a split between the White House and the GOP over their party’s response to the public health emergency.
“I’m not a big fan of doing anything where the federal government impacts local, state governments or schools,” Sen. Mike Braun, an Indiana Republican, said Wednesday. “I want schools to reopen, but I don’t like that. I don’t like the federal government getting involved.”
>>She said the man had a mild fever and lost his sense of taste, the latter being a unique symptom of COVID-19 among respiratory illnesses.<<
I would dispute that loss of sense of taste is unique to COVID-19 among respiratory illnesses. I think it’s pretty common. Most colds and flu mess with taste simply because they mess with smell which is a large part of taste.
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
maybe they can measure how much virus there is or take X-rays or something that they have been doing, that shows progress of disease even in asymptomatic
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
maybe they can measure how much virus there is or take X-rays or something that they have been doing, that shows progress of disease even in asymptomatic
maybe they can measure how much virus there is or take X-rays or something that they have been doing, that shows progress of disease even in asymptomatic
Maybe lots of things.
OK fine you got us. We’ll commit. It is, surprisingly, actually possible to take swabs, blood samples, and radiological images, of patients over the course of a disease, whether they are symptomatic or not!
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
maybe they can measure how much virus there is or take X-rays or something that they have been doing, that shows progress of disease even in asymptomatic
Except that there isn’t the capacity to do such things, and far too much work doing all the testing that is being done on people with symptoms. There isn’t time for the waffly at the moment.
maybe they can measure how much virus there is or take X-rays or something that they have been doing, that shows progress of disease even in asymptomatic
Except that there isn’t the capacity to do such things, and far too much work doing all the testing that is being done on people with symptoms. There isn’t time for the waffly at the moment.
There is, but the studies are conflicting re timeline/transmissibility rates etc etc.. at this stage.
ABC health broadcaster Norman Swan says the majority of asymptomatic people have the same timeline of infection as people who do develop symptoms.
“They’ve got the same patterns of infections, an average of five days or so before they become infectious, then a period of anything up to 10 days or so where you are infectious, and then the likelihood of you being infectious after 10 days or so is very low indeed,” Dr Swan told Coronacast this week.
Anyone got any idea how anyone would know this? It sounds like simple extrapolation from people who do have symptoms. But surely it’s an unknown?
I am sure that over 15 million infected gives a lot of contact tracing data that when crunched, can indicate a general transmission window for those without symptoms.
maybe they can measure how much virus there is or take X-rays or something that they have been doing, that shows progress of disease even in asymptomatic
Except that there isn’t the capacity to do such things, and far too much work doing all the testing that is being done on people with symptoms. There isn’t time for the waffly at the moment.
There is, but the studies are conflicting re timeline/transmissibility rates etc etc.. at this stage.
Even while resources are being pumped into case testing and all that, we would suggest it is wise to put some resources into strategic things like gaining a better scientific knowledge of the disease.
maybe they can measure how much virus there is or take X-rays or something that they have been doing, that shows progress of disease even in asymptomatic
Except that there isn’t the capacity to do such things, and far too much work doing all the testing that is being done on people with symptoms. There isn’t time for the waffly at the moment.
There is, but the studies are conflicting re timeline/transmissibility rates etc etc.. at this stage.
Except that there isn’t the capacity to do such things, and far too much work doing all the testing that is being done on people with symptoms. There isn’t time for the waffly at the moment.
There is, but the studies are conflicting re timeline/transmissibility rates etc etc.. at this stage.
How would you even know who to use as a subject?
Testing etc catches em. There are a few studies, use pubmed or the googles and you’ll see their methods.
so have they reached flock immunity or is something else going on
Do they still have a really low testing rate?
Regardless of the testing rate, there is nobody in hospital in a serious way, and deaths have dropped to single digit figures. That is usually a good (if delayed) indicator of the number of cases in the wild.
so have they reached flock immunity or is something else going on
Do they still have a really low testing rate?
Regardless of the testing rate, there is nobody in hospital in a serious way, and deaths have dropped to single digit figures. That is usually a good (if delayed) indicator of the number of cases in the wild.
Except that there isn’t the capacity to do such things, and far too much work doing all the testing that is being done on people with symptoms. There isn’t time for the waffly at the moment.
There is, but the studies are conflicting re timeline/transmissibility rates etc etc.. at this stage.
How would you even know who to use as a subject?
Small family groups could be a good subject group. Mum gets the symptoms, tests positive. Asymptomatic nephew turns out to be the agent, who likely got it from church chior practice on a specific date. Get enough similar data then you can make out some good guesses.
There is, but the studies are conflicting re timeline/transmissibility rates etc etc.. at this stage.
How would you even know who to use as a subject?
Testing etc catches em. There are a few studies, use pubmed or the googles and you’ll see their methods.
Ah, I didn’t think of that. But it wouldn’t catch many would it? Haven’t most places been preferentially testing symptomatics so as not to be overwhelmed? Or is that just here until recently?
Testing etc catches em. There are a few studies, use pubmed or the googles and you’ll see their methods.
Ah, I didn’t think of that. But it wouldn’t catch many would it? Haven’t most places been preferentially testing symptomatics so as not to be overwhelmed? Or is that just here until recently?
It’s not Pokémon , we don’t need to catch em all in this instance. As for the rest, No idea.
There is, but the studies are conflicting re timeline/transmissibility rates etc etc.. at this stage.
How would you even know who to use as a subject?
Small family groups could be a good subject group. Mum gets the symptoms, tests positive. Asymptomatic nephew turns out to be the agent, who likely got it from church chior practice on a specific date. Get enough similar data then you can make out some good guesses.
But you can’t go back in time to see what happened with the nephew. You can only start from Mum. And she will be later in the cycle if she got it from him. And as the virus is out there in the wild so to speak, “likely got it from church choir practice” is pretty specific for something he might have picked up from a doorhandle at work or something.
Testing etc catches em. There are a few studies, use pubmed or the googles and you’ll see their methods.
Ah, I didn’t think of that. But it wouldn’t catch many would it? Haven’t most places been preferentially testing symptomatics so as not to be overwhelmed? Or is that just here until recently?
It’s not Pokémon , we don’t need to catch em all in this instance. As for the rest, No idea.
Small family groups could be a good subject group. Mum gets the symptoms, tests positive. Asymptomatic nephew turns out to be the agent, who likely got it from church chior practice on a specific date. Get enough similar data then you can make out some good guesses.
But you can’t go back in time to see what happened with the nephew. You can only start from Mum. And she will be later in the cycle if she got it from him. And as the virus is out there in the wild so to speak, “likely got it from church choir practice” is pretty specific for something he might have picked up from a doorhandle at work or something.
The virus isn’t very common, so if the nephew and a member of his choir tests positive then there is a strong likelihood that is the link. Not particularly precise, but if you get enough data to work with then it starts forming a trend.
Regardless of the testing rate, there is nobody in hospital in a serious way, and deaths have dropped to single digit figures. That is usually a good (if delayed) indicator of the number of cases in the wild.
All the oldies died early …
Good on them, somebody had to take one for the team.
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Lies, It’s All King Lies, The Economy Must Grow Only If It’s ASIAN (including south)
Treasury, believing the lies from our biggest trading partner, is forecasting that China will avoid a whole calendar year of negative growth, while other trading partners the US, India and Japan are all forecast to see greater losses than Australia.
“We are in a better, stronger, more resilient position than just about any other country around the world and that gives us a very strong foundation from which to build the recovery on the other side,” Mr Frydenberg said.
Don’t worry, we’ve checked that they actually multiply out to show Australia predicted to be ahead of JP, US, EU by end 2021 — but obviously with half the world’s population, India and China don’t count (since they’re only 2* of 200 countries).
*: or arguably 5, or something
Too few datapoints or too early to make a call from this chart on whether controlling an outbreak is good for the economy so we leave that to the Forum experts.
And Don’t Even Get Us Started On India And China Being “Advanced Economies”, They Only Say They’re Developing To Get The Concessions
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Imagine If We Could Stop Babies Dying Of Horrible Influenza Just By Implementing Better Infection Control Practices
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Imagine If We Could Stop Babies Dying Of Horrible Influenza Just By Implementing Better Infection Control Practices
But, just imagine: ‘OK, that’s COVID-19 down for the count, let’s go after HIV next, and then…
There’s a reason we were banging on about poliomyelitis in those earlier threads — very vaccine-preventabl , almost eradicated, but you know, politics got in the way.
Apparently the big things will be tuberculosis and malaria.
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Wouldn’t it be great if the vaccine worked on all coronavirus types.
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Wouldn’t it be great if the vaccine worked on all coronavirus types.
Curing the common cold would be a ripper outcome.
It would, but there are many more viruses that cause the common cold.
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
Wouldn’t it be great if the vaccine worked on all coronavirus types.
Curing the common cold would be a ripper outcome.
It would, but there are many more viruses that cause the common cold.
Wouldn’t it be great if this kind of massive, prioritised, and targeted investment and research could be applied to the search for other vaccines and medicines on an ongoing basis?
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Anyway, we were actually meaning COVID-19 statistics drop, pardon the lack of specificity. Here it is.
NSW latest review seems to be week ending 2020-07-11 so we’ll have to work with that for now. Since then there have been at least 7 (seven) local-source-unknown-transmissions so if we make that 12 days, we’re up to a point similar to anywhere between 2020-02-29 to 2020-03-07. The cases this week of around 80 mean we’re probably doing enough testing to get a better sense of what’s happening out there.
Say we’re at the equivalent of 2020-03-07, we have about 1 week to the equivalent of mid-March when things got serious — states of emergency, massive increase in testing, shelter in place, that kind of thing. Best keep an eye on the numbers because if they’re following a similar pattern, then by the end of the week we’ll need to have a clear decision to avoid getting worse than before.
(Note Gladys has already told everyone to rein it in from tomorrow so maybe we can get in a week early and bite the head off.)
Going by before, from mid-March to end-March as you can all see, there are 2 (two) full weeks of crazy shit despite the Things Got Serious action (you can see this has just happened in Melbourne as well).
Why are those figures so far back? Victorian figures are up to today. And by local government area. I keep checking to make sure we are still on 0 active here in Shire of Southern Grampians. Warrnambool had one case active last week but now has none. Shire of Glenelg has three active, I think.
But I see they are listed a bit differently from the Victorian ones. In the Victorian local government areas you can see at a glance how many cases there have been since the beginning (2 for my area) and how many are currently active (zero).
Another way to examine the impact of age at death is to measure years of life lost (YLL), which counts the number of years between the age at death and life expectancy at that age. There has been speculation that YLL are low for COVID-19, which would indicate that some people dying from the disease did not have a long life expectancy prior to developing COVID-19, largely due to being older or having comorbidities that put them at higher risk of the severe effects of disease. A study using Italian and UK data shed some light on this, showing that average YLL per person was 14 for men and 12 for women (Hanlon et al. 2020). The authors also produced modelled estimates adjusting for comorbidities, which showed that the presence of comorbidities did not greatly decrease the estimates, reducing average YLL to 13 for men and 11 for women.
Preliminary calculations for Australia (not adjusted for comorbidity) using similar methods to the European paper shows average YLL per person was 17 years for men and 14 for women (including deaths up to31 May). These higher estimates in Australia indicate a lower proportion of deaths in older people, possibly due to fewer outbreaks in aged care facilities than have occurred in other countries (COVID-19 NIRSTd). Using methods similar to Australia’s usual approach for calculating YLL (which uses a different reference life table) results in preliminary estimates of average YLL per person of 14 and 11 for males and females respectively. Corresponding estimates for 2015 for the 5 leading causes of death in Australia are: CHD (14 for males, 8 for females), dementia (9 and 7), stroke (11 and 8), lung cancer (17 and 18) and COPD (13 and 12) (AIHW 2019). This shows that those dying from COVID-19 lost more years of their expected life span than most other major causes of death. This suggests there is a strong possibility that the COVID-19 deaths were among people that, on average, would not have been expected to die soon, particularly when taken alongside the Hanlon et al. (2020) finding that comorbidity did not greatly reduce YLL.
I think I saw that a couple of days ago. Can’t recall if someone linked it or I found it when I was looking for something else. I love the major emptiness out our way.
I think I saw that a couple of days ago. Can’t recall if someone linked it or I found it when I was looking for something else. I love the major emptiness out our way.
:)
This is actually the first time in my life I’ve had an answer for all those people who asked my why I never moved more than 12km away from where I was born.
Because the virus cannot travel that far without me seeing it first.
I think I saw that a couple of days ago. Can’t recall if someone linked it or I found it when I was looking for something else. I love the major emptiness out our way.
:)
What this made clear to me was how the perception of so many people in the outer regions that the virus is only spreading in Melbourne is completely wrong.
And, once again, the Health are garbage at Community Education. Utterly and hopelessly useless.
I think I saw that a couple of days ago. Can’t recall if someone linked it or I found it when I was looking for something else. I love the major emptiness out our way.
:)
What this made clear to me was how the perception of so many people in the outer regions that the virus is only spreading in Melbourne is completely wrong.
And, once again, the Health are garbage at Community Education. Utterly and hopelessly useless.
Why can’t those generating the data do this, instead of relying on the citizens to piece together the info?
Eight hundred people have joined a class action against the operators of the Ruby Princess over its “misleading and deceptive” conduct surrounding the COVID-19 outbreak in March. on Justin.
I am usually behind on my photo-editing and caught up last week – just in time for a few days in isolationwith nothing to do.
So I’m doing some amateur data massaging and I am making the prediction that the US will have a reported daily death rate of over 2000 on Monday the third of next month, and over 3000 on the following Monday.
I am usually behind on my photo-editing and caught up last week – just in time for a few days in isolationwith nothing to do.
So I’m doing some amateur data massaging and I am making the prediction that the US will have a reported daily death rate of over 2000 on Monday the third of next month, and over 3000 on the following Monday.
I didn’t realize ambulances couldn’t get through to emergency. That really has a lot of potential for tragedy.
Given another tragedy elsewhere in the world we invite people to reflect on how the cause of the problem above is actually a failure of pandemic control even if the mechanism involves border closures as a subsequent cause.
I didn’t realize ambulances couldn’t get through to emergency. That really has a lot of potential for tragedy.
Given another tragedy elsewhere in the world we invite people to reflect on how the cause of the problem above is actually a failure of pandemic control even if the mechanism involves border closures as a subsequent cause.
Border zones should have been the first step. Embiggen borders to include either side as a zone to themselves. This is the concept of social distancing thta worked in Italy in one village area. Kept others out and they had no cases.
Had to go to the shops for an appointment and the only two people who aren’t wearing masks are two Karens getting fines for arguing with cops about the masks and for breaching health orders of going to the shops after their Covid tests.
Had to go to the shops for an appointment and the only two people who aren’t wearing masks are two Karens getting fines for arguing with cops about the masks and for breaching health orders of going to the shops after their Covid tests.
What’s the breakdown of mask types that people are wearing now ¿
Had to go to the shops for an appointment and the only two people who aren’t wearing masks are two Karens getting fines for arguing with cops about the masks and for breaching health orders of going to the shops after their Covid tests.
I am beginning to feel sorry for any normal and reasonable person who happens to be called Karen.
Had to go to the shops for an appointment and the only two people who aren’t wearing masks are two Karens getting fines for arguing with cops about the masks and for breaching health orders of going to the shops after their Covid tests.
I am beginning to feel sorry for any normal and reasonable person who happens to be called Karen.
Had to go to the shops for an appointment and the only two people who aren’t wearing masks are two Karens getting fines for arguing with cops about the masks and for breaching health orders of going to the shops after their Covid tests.
I am beginning to feel sorry for any normal and reasonable person who happens to be called Karen.
Had to go to the shops for an appointment and the only two people who aren’t wearing masks are two Karens getting fines for arguing with cops about the masks and for breaching health orders of going to the shops after their Covid tests.
I am beginning to feel sorry for any normal and reasonable person who happens to be called Karen.
A friend posted this to fb a few days ago…
Just like Prince, I’m going to be the artist formerly known as ‘Karen’
Victorian coronavirus cases who don’t answer their phone to contact tracers will soon get a visit from the ADF
ooOOooOO
Federal agents here we come!
They might be worried that these people may be dead, because they aren’t answering their phone.?
Altruists to a man.
Yes
There are 3,630 cases currently active in Victoria. 3,298 people have recovered.
201 people are in hospital, including 40 patients in intensive care. There were five new deaths reported since yesterday. To date, 49 people have died from coronavirus (COVID-19) in Victoria.
There are 3,630 cases currently active in Victoria. 3,298 people have recovered.
Some Covid19 related deaths will not be in hospital.
This suggests that COVID-19 very roughly contributes a year’s worth of risk. There is a simple reality check on this figure. Every year around 600,000 people die in the UK. The Imperial College team estimates that if the virus went completely unchallenged, around 80% of people would be infected and there would be around 510,000 deaths.
So, roughly speaking, we might say that getting COVID-19 is like packing a year’s worth of risk into a week or two. Which is why it’s important to spread out the infections to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed.
What are someone’s chances of getting covid19 in a crowd?
More information required. Are people social distancing, are they wearing masks, what is their age range, what is the pre-existing rate of infection, what stage are those infected at…
There have been parties and events where >25% of attendees got infected. Just at Trump’s Tulsa rally, more than 10% of his staff got infected: I don’t know the stats of the audience. Fortunately there weren’t many of them.
Slightly different rates of infection based on contact.
Every city is different, and every club and social/economic group is different.
If I go into a crowd in Perth now I basically expect my infection probability to be close to nil, like less than 1/100000. If I went to a crowded student bar in Phoenix right now I’d be expecting it to be maybe 1/100.
Slightly different rates of infection based on contact.
Community transmission is what you’d want to avoid and in some places on earth this is nigh on impossible.
There hasn’t been a single case in my village for the entire time of this pandemic. There has been three cases in the town nearest(Ruby Princess) and they recovered back before April.
>>Health officials said people should continue to self-isolate even if they test negtive, and get tested again if they later develop symptoms. <<
That is in reference to people who might have been at those Catholic funerals and stuff in NSW. Bad writing or odd advice? That implies if you were at those events, you must now self isolate indefinitely.
>>Health officials said people should continue to self-isolate even if they test negtive, and get tested again if they later develop symptoms. <<
That is in reference to people who might have been at those Catholic funerals and stuff in NSW. Bad writing or odd advice? That implies if you were at those events, you must now self isolate indefinitely.
What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
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A Texas hospital is so overwhelmed, it’s just letting coronavirus win
By Rafi Schwartz
July 24, 2020
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What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
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Starr County Memorial Hospital has just 48 beds and serves around 65,000 people. It was, until June, one of the few counties that had managed to keep the coronavirus pandemic largely under control, thanks to a suite of common sense orders like mask rules, large-scale testing, and limits on public gatherings. As a result, Starr County experienced just one daily case of coronavirus — if any — for much of the beginning of the pandemic, according to the Texas Observer.
The county’s ability keeping the virus contained was so notable that NBC News highlighted Starr County as a pandemic success story in April. “We are very proud at this point that our numbers are very low, considering we are an at-risk population and the disparity in medical services and our low socio-economic population,” Rio Grande City Mayor Joel Villarreal explained to the network. “We rank as one of the poorest counties in the nation. However, that does not deter us.”
Among one of the key aspect’s of the county’s ability to track and contain the virus was its early decision to apply testing to everyone, regardless of insurance, so long as they had a doctor’s prescription.
What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
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A Texas hospital is so overwhelmed, it’s just letting coronavirus win
By Rafi Schwartz
July 24, 2020
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What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
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Starr County Memorial Hospital has just 48 beds and serves around 65,000 people. It was, until June, one of the few counties that had managed to keep the coronavirus pandemic largely under control, thanks to a suite of common sense orders like mask rules, large-scale testing, and limits on public gatherings. As a result, Starr County experienced just one daily case of coronavirus — if any — for much of the beginning of the pandemic, according to the Texas Observer.
The county’s ability keeping the virus contained was so notable that NBC News highlighted Starr County as a pandemic success story in April. “We are very proud at this point that our numbers are very low, considering we are an at-risk population and the disparity in medical services and our low socio-economic population,” Rio Grande City Mayor Joel Villarreal explained to the network. “We rank as one of the poorest counties in the nation. However, that does not deter us.”
Among one of the key aspect’s of the county’s ability to track and contain the virus was its early decision to apply testing to everyone, regardless of insurance, so long as they had a doctor’s prescription.
What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
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A Texas hospital is so overwhelmed, it’s just letting coronavirus win
By Rafi Schwartz
July 24, 2020
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What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
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Starr County Memorial Hospital has just 48 beds and serves around 65,000 people. It was, until June, one of the few counties that had managed to keep the coronavirus pandemic largely under control, thanks to a suite of common sense orders like mask rules, large-scale testing, and limits on public gatherings. As a result, Starr County experienced just one daily case of coronavirus — if any — for much of the beginning of the pandemic, according to the Texas Observer.
The county’s ability keeping the virus contained was so notable that NBC News highlighted Starr County as a pandemic success story in April. “We are very proud at this point that our numbers are very low, considering we are an at-risk population and the disparity in medical services and our low socio-economic population,” Rio Grande City Mayor Joel Villarreal explained to the network. “We rank as one of the poorest counties in the nation. However, that does not deter us.”
Among one of the key aspect’s of the county’s ability to track and contain the virus was its early decision to apply testing to everyone, regardless of insurance, so long as they had a doctor’s prescription.
I found that article very confusing which was compunded by the last paragraph where a judge is issuing a county-wide stay-at-home order.
. In the United States, however, there are some “County Courts” which exercise primarily administrative functions, in which case the County Judge may exercise largely or solely executive authority and be equivalent to the county executive in other local government areas
What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
Go Nakamura/Getty Images News/Getty Images
A Texas hospital is so overwhelmed, it’s just letting coronavirus win
By Rafi Schwartz
July 24, 2020
SHARE
What once was a shining example of how best to beat the coronavirus has become a nightmare for residents of Texas’s Starr County, where the pandemic has become so bad, the local hospital has enacted emergency guidelines allowing them to send home the most seriously ill patients to die with family rather than under medical care.
“The situation is desperate,” Dr. Jose Vasquez, the county’s health commissioner, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram this week. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
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Starr County Memorial Hospital has just 48 beds and serves around 65,000 people. It was, until June, one of the few counties that had managed to keep the coronavirus pandemic largely under control, thanks to a suite of common sense orders like mask rules, large-scale testing, and limits on public gatherings. As a result, Starr County experienced just one daily case of coronavirus — if any — for much of the beginning of the pandemic, according to the Texas Observer.
The county’s ability keeping the virus contained was so notable that NBC News highlighted Starr County as a pandemic success story in April. “We are very proud at this point that our numbers are very low, considering we are an at-risk population and the disparity in medical services and our low socio-economic population,” Rio Grande City Mayor Joel Villarreal explained to the network. “We rank as one of the poorest counties in the nation. However, that does not deter us.”
Among one of the key aspect’s of the county’s ability to track and contain the virus was its early decision to apply testing to everyone, regardless of insurance, so long as they had a doctor’s prescription.
I found that article very confusing which was compunded by the last paragraph where a judge is issuing a county-wide stay-at-home order.
. In the United States, however, there are some “County Courts” which exercise primarily administrative functions, in which case the County Judge may exercise largely or solely executive authority and be equivalent to the county executive in other local government areas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_judge
Thanks. I did not know that. It’s a bit strange :)
I found that article very confusing which was compunded by the last paragraph where a judge is issuing a county-wide stay-at-home order.
. In the United States, however, there are some “County Courts” which exercise primarily administrative functions, in which case the County Judge may exercise largely or solely executive authority and be equivalent to the county executive in other local government areas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_judge
Thanks. I did not know that. It’s a bit strange :)
Neither did I. There are some strange job titles in US municipal politics so i went investigating.
. In the United States, however, there are some “County Courts” which exercise primarily administrative functions, in which case the County Judge may exercise largely or solely executive authority and be equivalent to the county executive in other local government areas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_judge
Thanks. I did not know that. It’s a bit strange :)
Neither did I. There are some strange job titles in US municipal politics so i went investigating.
Well we’ve both learnt something today and can go back to bed.
I doubt anyone knows what’s happening in Indonesia.
The number of people in Indonesia directly or indirectly connected to me who’ve tested positive or died from Covid-19 is way put of proportion with the published stats, so perhaps I am bad luck.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
The more i think about, the more i like the Swedish approach.
After all, it was the Black Plague that put an end to serfdom. Massive depopulation led to increased demand for labour, and the serfs voted with their feet, leaving to go where they could get good pay.
Coronavirus could mean the end to wages stagnation!
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
Sweden’s idea undoubtedly works. I mean, all of the plagues in history eventually subsided, right?
You just have to be ready for a very high body count. Which might include yours.
But we don’t know the life history of this virus. It might reinfect after a short period of time, plus there is already evidence that there are some very nasty after effects from some people who have had it. A gigantic gamble.
The more i think about, the more i like the Swedish approach.
After all, it was the Black Plague that put an end to serfdom. Massive depopulation led to increased demand for labour, and the serfs voted with their feet, leaving to go where they could get good pay.
Coronavirus could mean the end to wages stagnation!
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
Sweden’s idea undoubtedly works. I mean, all of the plagues in history eventually subsided, right?
You just have to be ready for a very high body count. Which might include yours.
Other places have tried other methods and still have a very high body count. Big experiment in action at the moment. In NZ, what happens when everything opens up again and you’ve got a naive population? Nobody knows. So many unknowns.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
I went to look at Sweden again. If they have nearly finished spreading it around, and the graphs do look that way, and other countries continue having second and perhaps third waves, they may not end up being the worst for deaths after all. They might just end up being the ones who got it over with quickly and didn’t draw it out.
Sweden’s idea undoubtedly works. I mean, all of the plagues in history eventually subsided, right?
You just have to be ready for a very high body count. Which might include yours.
We don’t know that yet. Compared to other nearby countries they have been much harder hit by the virus, more deaths, more infections etc. Their curve is coming down but more slowly than others.
What we don’t know is the impact it will have on them economically. They might rebound slower than other countries, they might be in the same malaise as all the rest (so there is no net benefit to the extra deaths), they might rebound more quickly given that no everything was shut down. The economics side of it still has a year or two to play out.
Sweden’s idea undoubtedly works. I mean, all of the plagues in history eventually subsided, right?
You just have to be ready for a very high body count. Which might include yours.
Other places have tried other methods and still have a very high body count. Big experiment in action at the moment. In NZ, what happens when everything opens up again and you’ve got a naive population? Nobody knows. So many unknowns.
what happened when the world economy carried on after SARS The First
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
Sweden’s idea undoubtedly works. I mean, all of the plagues in history eventually subsided, right?
You just have to be ready for a very high body count. Which might include yours.
We don’t know that yet. Compared to other nearby countries they have been much harder hit by the virus, more deaths, more infections etc. Their curve is coming down but more slowly than others.
What we don’t know is the impact it will have on them economically. They might rebound slower than other countries, they might be in the same malaise as all the rest (so there is no net benefit to the extra deaths), they might rebound more quickly given that no everything was shut down. The economics side of it still has a year or two to play out.
we thought their case decline was because all the scared people are hiding, in which case what do they do, keep hiding ¿
Sweden’s idea undoubtedly works. I mean, all of the plagues in history eventually subsided, right?
You just have to be ready for a very high body count. Which might include yours.
Other places have tried other methods and still have a very high body count. Big experiment in action at the moment. In NZ, what happens when everything opens up again and you’ve got a naive population? Nobody knows. So many unknowns.
what happened when the world economy carried on after SARS The First
What Happened When People Partied After Smallpox Was Gone
Other places have tried other methods and still have a very high body count. Big experiment in action at the moment. In NZ, what happens when everything opens up again and you’ve got a naive population? Nobody knows. So many unknowns.
what happened when the world economy carried on after SARS The First
What Happened When People Partied After Smallpox Was Gone
They woke up with hangovers the next day.
Then the military got hold of various samples which were kept for scientific research purposes and made weaponised versions of it.
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
Are we second waving? Or are we just backfiring on the first wave?
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
I don’t think they are comparable to Melbourne. Their population has had much broader exposure so there will be many more comparatively speaking who have been asymptomatic and have some level of immunity. I know there is all sorts of variability being reported, but that is not something new. It is normal for different people to have different responses to the same virus. Some poor sods have bad responses. It’s just how it is. And we really don’t know about immunity to this one. It hasn’t been around for long enough to know.
what happened when the world economy carried on after SARS The First
What Happened When People Partied After Smallpox Was Gone
They woke up with hangovers the next day.
Then the military got hold of various samples which were kept for scientific research purposes and made weaponised versions of it.
we have no doubt there will be USSAoles, and people of any other power-projecting countries, who are freezing their spit and waiting for a chance to take it on board an aeroplane and deliver it elsewhere
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
Are we second waving? Or are we just backfiring on the first wave?
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
Are we second waving? Or are we just backfiring on the first wave?
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
Are we second waving? Or are we just backfiring on the first wave?
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
From the docos and interviews in Sweden there are many people who are self-isolating as much as possible.
I mean we’ll see what we’ll see. It is entirely possible that Sweden will have a Melbourne style second wave because they still don’t have proper practices in place
Are we second waving? Or are we just backfiring on the first wave?
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
We agree with this descriptivist position that {it appears {common usage of “wave” to refer to changes in epidemic behaviour on the scale of weeks} is nonrigorous}.
Are we second waving? Or are we just backfiring on the first wave?
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
Regards “You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”,” perhaps Sweden is very much not the example to consider and better look at USSA/DPRNA or Brazil ¿
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
Regards “You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”,” perhaps Sweden is very much not the example to consider and better look at USSA/DPRNA or Brazil ¿
Are we second waving? Or are we just backfiring on the first wave?
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
It’s going be around until there is a vaccine I feel, it’s spiking again in Europe. It’s a bugger of a thing.
The world just cant keep this up for ever, I mean we have millions die from the flue every year even though we have a vaccine that sort of works and we just cop it on the chin and get on with life, and death.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
Regards “You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”,” perhaps Sweden is very much not the example to consider and better look at USSA/DPRNA or Brazil ¿
Why is Sweden not an example here?
They said we can’t enforce the rules but be responsible. Is that what Donny or Jaijai said ¿
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
It’s going be around until there is a vaccine I feel, it’s spiking again in Europe. It’s a bugger of a thing.
The world just cant keep this up for ever, I mean we have millions die from the flue every year even though we have a vaccine that sort of works and we just cop it on the chin and get on with life, and death.
like the millions that didn’t die from ‘flu’ this year because of dying earlier by COVID-19 and later because of better hygiene
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
It’s going be around until there is a vaccine I feel, it’s spiking again in Europe. It’s a bugger of a thing.
The world just cant keep this up for ever, I mean we have millions die from the flue every year even though we have a vaccine that sort of works and we just cop it on the chin and get on with life, and death.
like the millions that didn’t die from ‘flu’ this year because of dying earlier by COVID-19 and later because of better hygiene
Yep but in normal years we are prepared to take the collateral damage from the flu.
Good question. The term “wave” may not be terribly rigorous in this context.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
It’s going be around until there is a vaccine I feel, it’s spiking again in Europe. It’s a bugger of a thing.
The world just cant keep this up for ever, I mean we have millions die from the flue every year even though we have a vaccine that sort of works and we just cop it on the chin and get on with life, and death.
Each year we produce a flu vaccine based on a guess of what will be the active flu varieties.
Rachel Maddow outlines the reasoning of more than 150 health experts who have signed onto a letter calling for the U.S. to try another shutdown, to do it correctly this time to control the coronavirus as a unified country instead of disparate states prolonging the outbreak.
If you actively work at reducing the levels of infection, you will still have a pool of people who have not been in contact with it. When you make the conditions favourable to spread again, those people will then have to deal with it. It’s like opening and shutting a valve. You can let all the stuff out at once and say “lets get it over with”, or you can let some out, then some more, then some more. Both “plans” have been put into action in different countries. NZ turned off the valve and kept it in the bottle. The trouble they are going to have is that it is still in a different bottle in other countries and they cannot stay cut off forever.
It’s going be around until there is a vaccine I feel, it’s spiking again in Europe. It’s a bugger of a thing.
The world just cant keep this up for ever, I mean we have millions die from the flue every year even though we have a vaccine that sort of works and we just cop it on the chin and get on with life, and death.
Each year we produce a flu vaccine based on a guess of what will be the active flu varieties.
and yet each year it has been less effective than the generalised improvements in hygiene and infection control practices we have seen this year
…
What Does That Tell You All About Hoping And Praying For A Vaccine To Save Us From COVID-19 Now Eh ¿
It’s going be around until there is a vaccine I feel, it’s spiking again in Europe. It’s a bugger of a thing.
The world just cant keep this up for ever, I mean we have millions die from the flue every year even though we have a vaccine that sort of works and we just cop it on the chin and get on with life, and death.
Each year we produce a flu vaccine based on a guess of what will be the active flu varieties.
and yet each year it has been less effective than the generalised improvements in hygiene and infection control practices we have seen this year
…
What Does That Tell You All About Hoping And Praying For A Vaccine To Save Us From COVID-19 Now Eh ¿
My GP was really pro active this year making sure her patients got the flu vaccine. We met in the surgery’s front yard. Another doctor was giving someone a shot in the backyard.
It’s interesting that the big change is in the definitely untrue category, when any true scientist would stick with probably untrue, because it is impossible to be certain about it.
It’s interesting that the big change is in the definitely untrue category, when any true scientist would stick with probably untrue, because it is impossible to be certain about it.
North Korea says ‘runaway’ may have brought virus from the South
North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un convened an emergency government meeting after a person suspected of having COVID-19 returned from South Korea after illegally crossing the border this month, state media said on Sunday.
If confirmed, it would be the first case officially acknowledged by North Korean authorities.
Mr Kim declared a state of emergency and imposed a lockdown on the border city of Kaesong.
It’s interesting that the big change is in the definitely untrue category, when any true scientist would stick with probably untrue, because it is impossible to be certain about it.
+1
what probability cut-off would one move from probably to definitely
“A South Australian man has been arrested after allegedly breaching COVID-19 directions by entering the state in a vehicle with blackened-out number plates and travelling on the wrong side of the road.”
also, did not the powerful people make clear their plans, whether in West Taiwan and Singapore, or in Sweden USSA Brazil, so really this was quite planned
It’s interesting that the big change is in the definitely untrue category, when any true scientist would stick with probably untrue, because it is impossible to be certain about it.
+1
what probability cut-off would one move from probably to definitely
North Korea says ‘runaway’ may have brought virus from the South
North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un convened an emergency government meeting after a person suspected of having COVID-19 returned from South Korea after illegally crossing the border this month, state media said on Sunday.
If confirmed, it would be the first case officially acknowledged by North Korean authorities.
Mr Kim declared a state of emergency and imposed a lockdown on the border city of Kaesong.
could be bad but on the other hand à model response, imagine how quickly we could have prevented this pandemic disaster if only other wise leaders had gone “wait, we have one case here now ¿ Fkn shut that shit down immediately”
“A South Australian man has been arrested after allegedly breaching COVID-19 directions by entering the state in a vehicle with blackened-out number plates and travelling on the wrong side of the road.”
what probability cut-off would one move from probably to definitely
100%
But from an engineering perspective we should probably accept a lower standard of certainty.
Say 99.999%.
yeah we would have called it something different but let’s say there’s some wriggle room, a 99999 in 100000 chance of the nul hypothesis in this case still seems reasonable
Despite claims to the contrary, Victorian health authorities have repeatedly stated that they have been unable to find a direct link between Black Lives Matter protests and the state’s community transmission of COVID-19.
There also seems to be a lot of “community transmission” às in “under investigation” as in “source unknown”, wonder if there might be any connection there ¿
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Don’t wear a mask. Don’t wear a mask. Don’t wear a mask. What? We meant, don’t wear a mask … unless there’s community transmission! You didn’t let us finish!
Federal Government advice against the “routine use of masks in the community” cited by Bolt remains current, it stipulates that this is only the case while “the rate of community transmission of COVID-19 is low”. Speaking to Seven News, infectious diseases physician and microbiologist Peter Collignon said there was enough community spread in Melbourne to justify mandatory masks. “Whenever you’ve got a lot of community transmission — and Melbourne seems to be in that situation at the moment — wearing masks makes a difference,” Professor Collignon said.
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Don’t wear a mask. Don’t wear a mask. Don’t wear a mask. What? We meant, don’t wear a mask … unless there’s community transmission! You didn’t let us finish!
Federal Government advice against the “routine use of masks in the community” cited by Bolt remains current, it stipulates that this is only the case while “the rate of community transmission of COVID-19 is low”. Speaking to Seven News, infectious diseases physician and microbiologist Peter Collignon said there was enough community spread in Melbourne to justify mandatory masks. “Whenever you’ve got a lot of community transmission — and Melbourne seems to be in that situation at the moment — wearing masks makes a difference,” Professor Collignon said.
Saw an interesting video blog this morning – Sarah Fardy talking about the current generation of the virus that’s working over Victoria.
It’s all genetically the same, all came from one person in quarantine (via security), and it has five times more sticky bits (the spiky bits that stick it to other cells) than the previous mutation, which makes it a lot more infectious.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=332584801243919 (video on Facebook)
https://fardy-facts.com.au/ (Fardy Facts website)
Saw an interesting video blog this morning – Sarah Fardy talking about the current generation of the virus that’s working over Victoria.
It’s all genetically the same, all came from one person in quarantine (via security), and it has five times more sticky bits (the spiky bits that stick it to other cells) than the previous mutation, which makes it a lot more infectious.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=332584801243919 (video on Facebook)
https://fardy-facts.com.au/ (Fardy Facts website)
So basically every time we fuck up an eradication, there’s a chance that the most infectious strains get selected in and could make for a far worse epidemic ¿ Imagine
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Back to the Bad News, this ABC update of 2020-07-25 contains a recurrent message — we have reached a point where the failed countries are now generating enough reflected cases to fuck up the successful ones.
“A hospital in Starr County, Texas, is so overrun with coronavirus cases that officials there said it would choose which patients to use its resources on and send those most likely to die back home to their families.
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that Dr. Jose Vasquez — the health authority for Starr County — said the county was creating guidelines to help health workers decide how to use resources on patients with the best chance of survival.
Vasquez added that a committee would decide which patients were most likely to die at Starr County Memorial Hospital — the only hospital in the county — and would send them home.
“The situation is desperate,” he said Tuesday. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
How Australia compares.
Pakistan is doing well.
New deaths yesterday.
10 – Australia
0 – China, Korea and dozens of other countries
1 – Uzbekistan, Haiti
4 – Belgium
24/35 – Pakistan
61 – UK
66 – Bolivia
146 – Russia
187 – Peru
195 – Iran
312 – South Africa
690 – India
737 – Mexico
908 – USA
1111 – Brazil
“A hospital in Starr County, Texas, is so overrun with coronavirus cases that officials there said it would choose which patients to use its resources on and send those most likely to die back home to their families.
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that Dr. Jose Vasquez — the health authority for Starr County — said the county was creating guidelines to help health workers decide how to use resources on patients with the best chance of survival.
Vasquez added that a committee would decide which patients were most likely to die at Starr County Memorial Hospital — the only hospital in the county — and would send them home.
“The situation is desperate,” he said Tuesday. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjQT40fWzMI
Sounds like worst-case triage.
Cat 3 – put ‘em over there to die.
Cat 2 – work on the ones who have a chance of pulling through, with help
Cat 1 – point to a pile of bandages etc, and tell hem to get on with it.
“A hospital in Starr County, Texas, is so overrun with coronavirus cases that officials there said it would choose which patients to use its resources on and send those most likely to die back home to their families.
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that Dr. Jose Vasquez — the health authority for Starr County — said the county was creating guidelines to help health workers decide how to use resources on patients with the best chance of survival.
Vasquez added that a committee would decide which patients were most likely to die at Starr County Memorial Hospital — the only hospital in the county — and would send them home.
“The situation is desperate,” he said Tuesday. “We cannot continue functioning in the Starr County Memorial Hospital nor in our county in the way that things are going. The numbers are staggering.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjQT40fWzMI
I read about that yesterday. It’s something like a 48 bed hospital serving 15,000 population or something. Way under provided for even in good times.
I’ve got a question. My searching has failed to find an answer. The news here is all full of how many COVID 19 tests are being done. Does anyone here know how/where to find out how many flu tests are being done in Australia this year? And other years, for that matter, for comparison. I know where to find the results, ie how many lab confirmed cases of flu have happened so far, but I can’t find how many tests are being done. I’m interested to know if the usual number are being done or if resources have been flipped across to COVID 19 testing.
I’ve got a question. My searching has failed to find an answer. The news here is all full of how many COVID 19 tests are being done. Does anyone here know how/where to find out how many flu tests are being done in Australia this year? And other years, for that matter, for comparison. I know where to find the results, ie how many lab confirmed cases of flu have happened so far, but I can’t find how many tests are being done. I’m interested to know if the usual number are being done or if resources have been flipped across to COVID 19 testing.
Can only get state specific for NSW, all others are mostly noise excepting COVID atm…
NSW:
March 2020 A total of 80,234 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
March 2019 A total of 31,863 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
I’ve got a question. My searching has failed to find an answer. The news here is all full of how many COVID 19 tests are being done. Does anyone here know how/where to find out how many flu tests are being done in Australia this year? And other years, for that matter, for comparison. I know where to find the results, ie how many lab confirmed cases of flu have happened so far, but I can’t find how many tests are being done. I’m interested to know if the usual number are being done or if resources have been flipped across to COVID 19 testing.
Can only get state specific for NSW, all others are mostly noise excepting COVID atm…
NSW:
March 2020 A total of 80,234 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
March 2019 A total of 31,863 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
I’ve got a question. My searching has failed to find an answer. The news here is all full of how many COVID 19 tests are being done. Does anyone here know how/where to find out how many flu tests are being done in Australia this year? And other years, for that matter, for comparison. I know where to find the results, ie how many lab confirmed cases of flu have happened so far, but I can’t find how many tests are being done. I’m interested to know if the usual number are being done or if resources have been flipped across to COVID 19 testing.
Can only get state specific for NSW, all others are mostly noise excepting COVID atm…
NSW:
March 2020 A total of 80,234 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
March 2019 A total of 31,863 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
A whole heap more than usual.
*COVID not included in those tests.
At the beginning I think they were doing the COVID and flu together. I imagine the volume of testing precludes that now. I am a bit annoyed that while I accept that the general population cleanliness and more flu jabs is reducing the numbers, the press keep comparing to last year. And 2019 was a doozy of a year for flu.
Can only get state specific for NSW, all others are mostly noise excepting COVID atm…
NSW:
March 2020 A total of 80,234 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
March 2019 A total of 31,863 tests for respiratory viruses were performed at sentinel NSW laboratories
A whole heap more than usual.
*COVID not included in those tests.
At the beginning I think they were doing the COVID and flu together.
Maybe, but the reporting was separated for NSW as previous pic.
Some pretty pic and more up to date data as the influenza weekly reported ceased to be while COVID.
That is NSW? I saw something about the flu reporting stopping. I like this table (which I’ve linked before) We’ve already exceeded the 2010 total lab confirmed flu cases. I can’t see and average or mean for each disease though.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
And in the early 2000s there must have been a lot less testing.
Some pretty pic and more up to date data as the influenza weekly reported ceased to be while COVID.
That is NSW? I saw something about the flu reporting stopping. I like this table (which I’ve linked before) We’ve already exceeded the 2010 total lab confirmed flu cases. I can’t see and average or mean for each disease though.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
And in the early 2000s there must have been a lot less testing.
Yes. It hasn’t stopped, well, not in NSW, it’s just reported with COVID. The numbers are there, make one…
Some pretty pic and more up to date data as the influenza weekly reported ceased to be while COVID.
That is NSW? I saw something about the flu reporting stopping. I like this table (which I’ve linked before) We’ve already exceeded the 2010 total lab confirmed flu cases. I can’t see and average or mean for each disease though.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
And in the early 2000s there must have been a lot less testing.
Yes. It hasn’t stopped, well, not in NSW, it’s just reported with COVID. The numbers are there, make one…
We were 7 million fewer people in 2000.
Do you mean the line labelled COVID is actually COVID+flu on that graph?
Q: If masks work, why can I still smell farts when I’m wearing one?
A: Great question — and we know there are lots of folks out there who have similar concerns about masks. Maybe you’ve wondered about how useful or safe masks are — or have a friend or family member who doesn’t want to wear one. We at DP are here to help fight the #infodemic, so let’s dive in!
Why can I still smell things through a mask? Well, masks aren’t actually supposed to block all air flow (which actually gets at another misunderstanding about masks — that they are dangerous because they interfere with breathing).
Masks instead block droplets containing COVID — mostly from exiting your mouth/nose and exposing others, but they do also offer the mask wearer some protection from others as well. It turns out that the smell from a fart is caused by methanthiol and other similar sulfur containing molecules, and these molecules are TINY. Much, much smaller than coronavirus.
Check out the lifehacker piece for some numbers, but coronavirus is up to 34,000% larger than fart molecules! Think about the approximate comparison between a basketball and a poppy seed!
This means that the virus particles have a much harder time getting through a mask than odors in the air. That is not to say that masks protect 100% — unfortunately almost nothing in life is 100% — but they do offer a lot of protection. As far as oxygen and CO2, they are also both much smaller than the virus, so that is why they can pass through (and it is safe to wear a mask all day).
BOTTOMLINE: Masks block things that are bigger, and allow things that are smaller to pass through. Luckily for us, air and CO2 are small (unfortunately, fart molecules are also small) and coronavirus is big. Many of the conspiracy theories about masks are contradictory — masks are both useless because the virus can pass through AND dangerous because oxygen and CO2 cannot. It’s actually the opposite — they work because they block virus while also, thankfully, allowing airflow.
That is NSW? I saw something about the flu reporting stopping. I like this table (which I’ve linked before) We’ve already exceeded the 2010 total lab confirmed flu cases. I can’t see and average or mean for each disease though.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
And in the early 2000s there must have been a lot less testing.
Yes. It hasn’t stopped, well, not in NSW, it’s just reported with COVID. The numbers are there, make one…
We were 7 million fewer people in 2000.
Do you mean the line labelled COVID is actually COVID+flu on that graph?
No, it’s just COVID, there’s already a line for flu.
That is NSW? I saw something about the flu reporting stopping. I like this table (which I’ve linked before) We’ve already exceeded the 2010 total lab confirmed flu cases. I can’t see and average or mean for each disease though.
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
And in the early 2000s there must have been a lot less testing.
Yes. It hasn’t stopped, well, not in NSW, it’s just reported with COVID. The numbers are there, make one…
We were 7 million fewer people in 2000.
Do you mean the line labelled COVID is actually COVID+flu on that graph?
NSW Health used to put out a weekly report for influenza, testing, positives, strains etc etc. That’s now combined with the COVID weekly report, as an addition, at the end of the weekly COVID testing/postivies etc etc report.
Antibody research a blow to hopes of coronavirus immunity
By Edward Malnick
July 26, 2020 — 10.44am
London: The proportion of the UK population with COVID-19 antibodies is up to a third lower than previously thought, according to official data.
Figures collated by Public Health England show that, in London, where the prevalence of antibodies is at its highest, only one in 10 people are now estimated to have them, compared with one in six following the peak of the outbreak in the UK.
Antibody research a blow to hopes of coronavirus immunity
By Edward Malnick
July 26, 2020 — 10.44am
London: The proportion of the UK population with COVID-19 antibodies is up to a third lower than previously thought, according to official data.
Figures collated by Public Health England show that, in London, where the prevalence of antibodies is at its highest, only one in 10 people are now estimated to have them, compared with one in six following the peak of the outbreak in the UK.
Either way, we’re still relying on a vaccine rather than herd immunity. Perhaps a vaccine would need to be given every 12 weeks or-so, which is a minor inconvenience when compared to how most of us have been living.
Antibody research a blow to hopes of coronavirus immunity
By Edward Malnick
July 26, 2020 — 10.44am
London: The proportion of the UK population with COVID-19 antibodies is up to a third lower than previously thought, according to official data.
Figures collated by Public Health England show that, in London, where the prevalence of antibodies is at its highest, only one in 10 people are now estimated to have them, compared with one in six following the peak of the outbreak in the UK.
Yes. It hasn’t stopped, well, not in NSW, it’s just reported with COVID. The numbers are there, make one…
We were 7 million fewer people in 2000.
Do you mean the line labelled COVID is actually COVID+flu on that graph?
NSW Health used to put out a weekly report for influenza, testing, positives, strains etc etc. That’s now combined with the COVID weekly report, as an addition, at the end of the weekly COVID testing/postivies etc etc report.
The link had 272.2 61.1 121.8 196.0 122.4 288.4 422.4 375.8 1,021.6 235.6 1,254.0 83.7 for the past 11 years and the current one, and note that JanFebMar were still “normal” for Australia so 83.7 is pretty king good.
Work out how much each potential death would cost the economy, and compare it to the cost of the the lockdowns. I am sure you could make the argument in the headline, if you valued the cost of life low enough.
Work out how much each potential death would cost the economy, and compare it to the cost of the the lockdowns. I am sure you could make the argument in the headline, if you valued the cost of life low enough.
Well according to SMH the average Australian is worth $4.9M so now’s the time to move to the UK!
… the study’s authors argue, lockdown has cost at least £200billion. This is ignoring further losses caused by lower economic output in successive years, the disruption to education and vital non-Covid medical procedures being delayed. By contrast the ‘value’ of lives saved is a comparatively small £132billion, the study claims.
At 46,000 deaths that comes to $5 166 228 (converted) each.
Work out how much each potential death would cost the economy, and compare it to the cost of the the lockdowns. I am sure you could make the argument in the headline, if you valued the cost of life low enough.
Well according to SMH the average Australian is worth $4.9M so now’s the time to move to the UK!
… the study’s authors argue, lockdown has cost at least £200billion. This is ignoring further losses caused by lower economic output in successive years, the disruption to education and vital non-Covid medical procedures being delayed. By contrast the ‘value’ of lives saved is a comparatively small £132billion, the study claims.
At 46,000 deaths that comes to $5 166 228 (converted) each.
“saved” sorry we hit the wrong button
It calculates that 440,000 lives have been saved by lockdown and the average person who has died from Covid-19 would have lived for another ten years, according to life expectancies.
So lockdown saved 4.4million quality years of life – each valued at £30,000 by NHS guidelines – that the pandemic would otherwise have erased.
Work out how much each potential death would cost the economy, and compare it to the cost of the the lockdowns. I am sure you could make the argument in the headline, if you valued the cost of life low enough.
Or you had saved few enough, which was my point earlier – Going by the numbers they’ve saved pretty close to zero.
Work out how much each potential death would cost the economy, and compare it to the cost of the the lockdowns. I am sure you could make the argument in the headline, if you valued the cost of life low enough.
Or you had saved few enough, which was my point earlier – Going by the numbers they’ve saved pretty close to zero.
yeah a quarantine failure
anything other than the objective of elimination is dishonest
Work out how much each potential death would cost the economy, and compare it to the cost of the the lockdowns. I am sure you could make the argument in the headline, if you valued the cost of life low enough.
Or you had saved few enough, which was my point earlier – Going by the numbers they’ve saved pretty close to zero.
yeah a quarantine failure
anything other than the objective of elimination is dishonest
or I should say any departure from that objective
something australia is toying with, some people are, they’re being dishonest, because there exists no sane argument for softening that objective
