I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

:/

Good luck buffy’s mum!

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

Geez. That’s the last thing everyone needs: fecking zoonotic virus sweeping through the nursing home.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

:/

Good luck buffy’s mum!

This may provide her release. She is not afraid of the Old Person’s Friend. I know this because we discussed it many times before she lost her mind.

Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

Geez. That’s the last thing everyone needs: fecking zoonotic virus sweeping through the nursing home.

There is a bit of it in Victoria. Staff from large families and on casual work agreements. They are trying not to have staff working across several homes, but for some people it’s what is normal.

List of nursing homes affected in this news item. Although Mum’s is not there.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-27/victoria-records-more-than-500-news-coronavirus-cases/12493886

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

I reckon there would have been many a day when you tested her.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

I reckon there would have been many a day when you tested her.

Of course…she encouraged it.

:)

roughbarked said:

furious said:

I hear that North Korea has recorded its first “official” case…

Went to South Korea to get it?

and what a strategy it was, at the end
it wasn’t the defectors leaving that got them
it was the people trying to entrer

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

Heck!

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

Gee, that doesn’t sound good. Hope it all works out well.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

:/

Good luck buffy’s mum!

This may provide her release. She is not afraid of the Old Person’s Friend. I know this because we discussed it many times before she lost her mind.

I hope things go okay for her anyway. I’d wish that she passed quietly in her sleep rather than go through the awful.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

:/

Good luck buffy’s mum!

This may provide her release. She is not afraid of the Old Person’s Friend. I know this because we discussed it many times before she lost her mind.

I hope things go okay for her anyway. I’d wish that she passed quietly in her sleep rather than go through the awful.

Her plan is in place. She will be given increasing painkillers. She will not be put into ICU.

Tomorrow’s Black Lives Matter protest in Sydney remains an unauthorised event after organisers lost an appeal in court.

New South Wales Police yesterday won a Supreme Court battle to prohibit the rally, arguing it would breach public health orders.

Organisers this afternoon appealed the decision, claiming the court did not have the jurisdiction to hear the police application.

But the Court of Appeal did not accept that argument.

wise

—

A protest leader has previously said the event would go ahead even if organisers lost today’s appeal.

unwise

SCIENCE said:

Tomorrow’s Black Lives Matter protest in Sydney remains an unauthorised event after organisers lost an appeal in court.

New South Wales Police yesterday won a Supreme Court battle to prohibit the rally, arguing it would breach public health orders.

Organisers this afternoon appealed the decision, claiming the court did not have the jurisdiction to hear the police application.

But the Court of Appeal did not accept that argument.

wise

—

A protest leader has previously said the event would go ahead even if organisers lost today’s appeal.

unwise

People could just protest in their driveways.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-27/more-than-700-victorian-healthcare-workers-with-covid19/12494330

SCIENCE said:

Tomorrow’s Black Lives Matter protest in Sydney remains an unauthorised event after organisers lost an appeal in court.

New South Wales Police yesterday won a Supreme Court battle to prohibit the rally, arguing it would breach public health orders.

Organisers this afternoon appealed the decision, claiming the court did not have the jurisdiction to hear the police application.

But the Court of Appeal did not accept that argument.

wise

—

A protest leader has previously said the event would go ahead even if organisers lost today’s appeal.

unwise

Heard the organiser of the protest on the wireless this morning,.
He said they would be spaced out.
Well I thought to myself that that’s normal for protesters.

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

Even if she tests positive, she still has a 98% chance of dying from something else.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

Even if she tests positive, she still has a 98% chance of dying from something else.

100% if in the USSA

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I’ll start it. Mum is being tested today. A staff member at her home has tested positive. Close contacts have so far tested negative, but all staff and residents get swabbed this afternoon.

Even if she tests positive, she still has a 98% chance of dying from something else.

100% if in the USSA

I do think buffy knows all of the above.

It’s a pity that they didn’t cut the CDC out of the loop sooner. Thousands of lives could have been saved.

Flutracking map of Melbourne.

Of Sydney.

The explanation I most go along with here is from Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz. Down at the bottom of the piece. The numbers in Melbourne are still going over the hump. The return to only 4 reasons to go out is still too recent to have cleared yet. And the mask wearing is way too recent. At the time of the 4 reasons reinstatement the virus was still circulating within households, so there was still a flow on. The high active cases numbers per day should, in theory, drop quite quickly once those people come out of their 2 weeks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-07-28/coronavirus-vic-lockdowns-why-arent-cases-coming-down-experts/12495100

Google have just told employees they’re expecting everyone will be working from home until July next year.

Rule 303 said:

Google have just told employees they’re expecting everyone will be working from home until July next year.

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Google have just told employees they’re expecting everyone will be working from home until July next year.

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Google have just told employees they’re expecting everyone will be working from home until July next year.

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The feeling from the employees, at least, is that they are much more productive WFH. I would be very interested in hearing management’s opinion on it.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Google have just told employees they’re expecting everyone will be working from home until July next year.

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

But to get to the gym they’d have to leave the house, and no-one’s got time for that.

Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The feeling from the employees, at least, is that they are much more productive WFH. I would be very interested in hearing management’s opinion on it.

I did a short stint from home, eventually had to come back because for some things my presence is required, but I got so much more done when I was at home. Stuff I had been planning but never had the time to do at work…

Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The feeling from the employees, at least, is that they are much more productive WFH. I would be very interested in hearing management’s opinion on it.

anecdotally and in an admittedly small data set, the response is positive…. but I suspect that some practices will stay the same. One of my friends is back in the office because the boss had, In January, just gotten new premises int he city he spent a shit load of money on getting perfectly right .. so he was not going to waste that.. also he’s a dick and doesn’t trust anyone.

SO there will be bosses like that… but I suspect that overall the output will be the same or improved. It would be interesting to see what the trends are and if it might be industry specific.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Google have just told employees they’re expecting everyone will be working from home until July next year.

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

Yep. The benefits are overwhelming. It has always struck me as lunacy that we have poured so much of our public money and space into providing infrastructure to bring people to cities for administrative jobs. I would be extremely nervous if I owned office or retail property right now.

There is the slight issue of the home meeting reasonable WH&S standards, and what happens if an employee gets injured, but I understand some businesses are already conducting set-ups and audits and such.

The benefits of a team working on a project in a central office are many, they are legion.
Sure it can be done less efficiently from home during the blitz or a pandemic but lets not get carried away in these once in a 100 year events, lets try and stay grounded.

I find I don’t achieve much working from home.

Michael V said:

I find I don’t achieve much working from home.

There is so much to do at home that seems more important because you are there.

There was a bloke who’d worked all his life and when he retired his neighbour stuck his head over the fence and asked “How’s it all going since you retired, do you miss work?”

“Miss work? Don’t know how I ever found the time to go there”.

The trials of WFH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFVHaus_pjI

Peak Warming Man said:

The benefits of a team working on a project in a central office are many, they are legion.
Sure it can be done less efficiently from home during the blitz or a pandemic but lets not get carried away in these once in a 100 year events, lets try and stay grounded.

staying home is exactly what I am advocating here.

Dark Orange said:

The trials of WFH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFVHaus_pjI

I love that video and have no problem with having pet friendly video calls :)

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

The trials of WFH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFVHaus_pjI

I love that video and have no problem with having pet friendly video calls :)

Yes it was well done but I think they will have to furlough Mable.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Google have just told employees they’re expecting everyone will be working from home until July next year.

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The other day Mr Mutant spent all day wandering around the house muttering to himself. He was trying to work out a problem.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The other day Mr Mutant spent all day wandering around the house muttering to himself. He was trying to work out a problem.

so we all agree then that more working from home is win win win win for most people and businesses that are able to do it ¿

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

But to get to the gym they’d have to leave the house, and no-one’s got time for that.

costs about $20 to get a couple of dumbbells

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

In Mr Mutant’s company, most employees WFH but there were offices in major cities around the world for people who wanted to use an office or were attending conferences etc. Those have all been closed since early March.

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The other day Mr Mutant spent all day wandering around the house muttering to himself. He was trying to work out a problem.

Next time he does that you should get him to fold the washing, or something. I find doing something “routine” that doesn’t generally take up too much thought process tends to get the solution out…

mollwollfumble said:

Flutracking map of Melbourne.

Of Sydney.

so we have the perfect solution to this COVID-19 bullshit, we just need something bigger and nastier to kill it the fuck off, let’s have OPVID-20, with a reproduction number of 6 and case fatality of 0.30

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The other day Mr Mutant spent all day wandering around the house muttering to himself. He was trying to work out a problem.

Next time he does that you should get him to fold the washing, or something. I find doing something “routine” that doesn’t generally take up too much thought process tends to get the solution out…

clean bathrooms, mow lawn, vacuum carpet, wash dishes, polish car

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

But to get to the gym they’d have to leave the house, and no-one’s got time for that.

costs about $20 to get a couple of dumbbells

Yea, people go to gyms for the dumbbells…

Quite the snafu:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/public-servants-were-pulled-from-overseeing-hotel-quarantine-over-safety-fears-20200727-p55fvk.html

384 new cases and 6 deaths in Victoria.

:(

Aged care home in Melbourne’s north confirms staff held unauthorised ‘private function’

In a letter to families and stakeholders, Heritage Care has confirmed two residents from its Epping Gardens aged care home in Melbourne’s north have been among recent coronavirus deaths.

61 residents and 22 staff from the home have now tested positive to COVID-19.

Heritage Care also confirmed reports that “a small number of staff chose to have a private function at Epping Gardens”.

“All staff members involved were stood down immediately when we were alerted,” the letter said.

“It is important to state we did not endorse this activity, nor were we aware this was organised.

Heritage Care said it considered the gathering to be “an extremely serious breach of Heritage Care’s expectations” and alerted police as soon as it was informed.

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Heck!
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-daniel-andrews/12497838

Bloody flute racking

dv said:

Bloody flute racking

Which wind instrument would you prefer?

dv said:

Bloody flute racking

?

Michael V said:

dv said:

Bloody flute racking

?

Flu tracking…

furious said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Bloody flute racking

?

Flu tracking…

D’oh.

furious said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Bloody flute racking

?

Flu tracking…

Ah. Thanks.

Vic is suspending all low-priority surgery and closing a couple of hospitals to send resources into aged care facilities.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/sydney-black-lives-matter-protesters-detained/12498034

Rule 303 said:

Vic is suspending all low-priority surgery and closing a couple of hospitals to send resources into aged care facilities.

Is there a reliable figure on how many people are resident in aged care facilities in Victoria?

Rule 303 said:

Vic is suspending all low-priority surgery and closing a couple of hospitals to send resources into aged care facilities.

Probably a sensible thing to do. It is getting a bit out of hand now.

furious said:

Rule 303 said:

Vic is suspending all low-priority surgery and closing a couple of hospitals to send resources into aged care facilities.

Is there a reliable figure on how many people are resident in aged care facilities in Victoria?

I’m sure there would be. Take 35% off whatever the department reckons.

There are now more active cases in Australia than ever before.

furious said:

Rule 303 said:

Vic is suspending all low-priority surgery and closing a couple of hospitals to send resources into aged care facilities.

Is there a reliable figure on how many people are resident in aged care facilities in Victoria?

6 less than there were yesterday.

dv said:

There are now more active cases in Australia than ever before.

I warned everyone to be even more vigilant once the first lockdown ended. But they wouldn’t listen, they’re not listening still; perhaps they never will.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

There are now more active cases in Australia than ever before.

I warned everyone to be even more vigilant once the first lockdown ended. But they wouldn’t listen, they’re not listening still; perhaps they never will.

They should have an ear cut off if the wont listen.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

There are now more active cases in Australia than ever before.

I warned everyone to be even more vigilant once the first lockdown ended. But they wouldn’t listen, they’re not listening still; perhaps they never will.

They should have an ear cut off if the wont listen.

I’m sure sending them to detention on a South Pacific island would be quite sufficient.

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

Mr Arts’ company is still all work from home. There must be a report around that talks about the efficiency not only in terms of output, but in terms of time saved and lowered stress levels of employees.

In working from home the individual does not have to get ‘into the out’ ready.. that is you can sit in your jammies all day, or at least just tracks and a shirt, minimal makeup (if that’s your thing) some people probably don’t have to brush their hair and there is less preparation in ironing shirts etc…

the individual does not have to travel to and from the office… this allows more time to sit in from to the computer and answer emails.

the individual does not have to engage in small non work related conversations that socialised people seem to enjoy engaging in.

the individual, in all likelihood, does not get sick as often as they would if they had to be around others.

the company can then save money in rent (downsizing office spaces and have hot desks), power, office supplies, coffee/milk, all the things that people feel the need to use to accomodate their day.

yet you can still use emails, do meetings, use intra office messaging systems and have output.

the only real issue is the reduction in physical output… the small gains from walking to and from, around the office and the to lunch is better than the nothing gained form sitting at home… this could be mitigated by companies (as some already do) subsidising or paying for gym memberships at large multi site gyms for their employees… the cost is probably negligible when weighted against the other benefits…

The feeling from the employees, at least, is that they are much more productive WFH. I would be very interested in hearing management’s opinion on it.

anecdotally and in an admittedly small data set, the response is positive…. but I suspect that some practices will stay the same. One of my friends is back in the office because the boss had, In January, just gotten new premises int he city he spent a shit load of money on getting perfectly right .. so he was not going to waste that.. also he’s a dick and doesn’t trust anyone.

SO there will be bosses like that… but I suspect that overall the output will be the same or improved. It would be interesting to see what the trends are and if it might be industry specific.

It will also be interesting to see if the productivity is maintained over the longer term. Like when there are options like going to the pub for lunch etc.

buffy said:

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

The feeling from the employees, at least, is that they are much more productive WFH. I would be very interested in hearing management’s opinion on it.

anecdotally and in an admittedly small data set, the response is positive…. but I suspect that some practices will stay the same. One of my friends is back in the office because the boss had, In January, just gotten new premises int he city he spent a shit load of money on getting perfectly right .. so he was not going to waste that.. also he’s a dick and doesn’t trust anyone.

SO there will be bosses like that… but I suspect that overall the output will be the same or improved. It would be interesting to see what the trends are and if it might be industry specific.

It will also be interesting to see if the productivity is maintained over the longer term. Like when there are options like going to the pub for lunch etc.

Thanks to the dicktorians I cannot work effectively from home. I need data from work & used to visit for a short while about once a week. Visits are now banned for people like me with compromised immune systems.

Rule 303 said:

Vic is suspending all low-priority surgery and closing a couple of hospitals to send resources into aged care facilities.

I’ve been listening to the radio in the car all morning. It occurs to me that some nursing staff who are redeployed, and possibly the ADF ones in particular, may find working in an old people’s home quite challenging.

Rule 303 said:

furious said:

Rule 303 said:

Vic is suspending all low-priority surgery and closing a couple of hospitals to send resources into aged care facilities.

Is there a reliable figure on how many people are resident in aged care facilities in Victoria?

I’m sure there would be. Take 35% off whatever the department reckons.

Apparently not. Although I may have misheard. Because it’s largely private companies. And it’s Federal oversight. Or something.

This was interesting, too:

>>Professor Sutton said people in quarantine are allowed to leave their property to exercise if they do not have a garden.

“If you aren’t giving people an option to exercise you are effectively putting them in prison,” he said.

“We ask they stay 1.5 metres away from others … and wear a mask.”<<

From here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-daniel-andrews/12497838

“Andrews expresses no confidence in private aged care as elective surgeries cancelled to free up staff”

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was, that if all the staff have to isolate there won’t be anyone to look after the residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria-rise-384-with-six-new-deaths/12498024

buffy said:

“Andrews expresses no confidence in private aged care as elective surgeries cancelled to free up staff”

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was, that if all the staff have to isolate there won’t be anyone to look after the residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria-rise-384-with-six-new-deaths/12498024

He could hire some private security firm to do it, what could go wrong.

buffy said:

“Andrews expresses no confidence in private aged care as elective surgeries cancelled to free up staff”

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was, that if all the staff have to isolate there won’t be anyone to look after the residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria-rise-384-with-six-new-deaths/12498024

He really said “I cannot stand here and say to all Victorians that I have confidence in some of the arrangements in private sector aged care.”

no no no no no you have it all wrong this is Chairman Dan expressing no confidence in private enterprise, what do you think it’s about, a communist plandemic, what

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

“Andrews expresses no confidence in private aged care as elective surgeries cancelled to free up staff”

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was, that if all the staff have to isolate there won’t be anyone to look after the residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria-rise-384-with-six-new-deaths/12498024

He could hire some private security firm to do it, what could go wrong.

You might want to be a little careful with the “nasturtiums”…there was a piece in the ABC news a couple of days ago about the private firms used in hotel quarantine in NSW.

:)

buffy said:

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was

=> Big Australian polluters form club. thread

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

“Andrews expresses no confidence in private aged care as elective surgeries cancelled to free up staff”

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was, that if all the staff have to isolate there won’t be anyone to look after the residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria-rise-384-with-six-new-deaths/12498024

He could hire some private security firm to do it, what could go wrong.

You might want to be a little careful with the “nasturtiums”…there was a piece in the ABC news a couple of days ago about the private firms used in hotel quarantine in NSW.

:)

pot isn’t legal in VIC or NSW but kettles we d’n‘o’

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

“Andrews expresses no confidence in private aged care as elective surgeries cancelled to free up staff”

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was, that if all the staff have to isolate there won’t be anyone to look after the residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria-rise-384-with-six-new-deaths/12498024

He really said “I cannot stand here and say to all Victorians that I have confidence in some of the arrangements in private sector aged care.”

Yep, that was before the bit I gave you.

:)

also, Danny said said the decision was made with “a sense of absolute urgency” to both free up Victorian health workers to go into aged care homes overwhelmed by outbreaks, and free up hospital beds to treat residents diagnosed with coronavirus.

but we all know that killing all the unproductive expensive people over 50 years old would also free up a lot of these resources

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

“Andrews expresses no confidence in private aged care as elective surgeries cancelled to free up staff”

That’s the JustIn headline. What he actually said was, that if all the staff have to isolate there won’t be anyone to look after the residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria-rise-384-with-six-new-deaths/12498024

He could hire some private security firm to do it, what could go wrong.

You might want to be a little careful with the “nasturtiums”…there was a piece in the ABC news a couple of days ago about the private firms used in hotel quarantine in NSW.

:)

Can only wait and see to see if ol Gladys is as skilled as andrews at managing the covids

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/florida-covid19-cases-more-than-all-of-australia/12498660

Hurricane Makes Disaster Of Already Catastrophic COVID Situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJSIqOIzXAY

Divine Angel said:

Holy fuck.

Petition:Make Hydroxychloroquine available over the counter in Australia.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/florida-covid19-cases-more-than-all-of-australia/12498660

don’t worry we beat Republic Of Korea well and good

Rule 303 said:

Petition:Make Hydroxychloroquine available over the counter in Australia.

Yes!

mollwollfumble said:

Rule 303 said:

Petition:Make Hydroxychloroquine available over the counter in Australia.

Yes!

Fucking terrible idea.

It is so hard to portray irony on screen.

buffy said:

It is so hard to portray irony on screen.

It may be easy for you buffy, but I find it quite hard.

We are fare enough through this thing now for excess mortality figures to be coming through. Some Quite interesting stuff in here:

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

buffy said:

We are fare enough through this thing now for excess mortality figures to be coming through. Some Quite interesting stuff in here:

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

Thanks.

poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

Rule 303 said:

Petition:Make Hydroxychloroquine available over the counter in Australia.

Yes!

Fucking terrible idea.

I posted the petition as an act of ridicule, in case you were wondering.

Looks like Change.org have pulled it.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

It is so hard to portray irony on screen.

It may be easy for you buffy, but I find it quite hard.

Ha! :)

buffy said:

We are fare enough through this thing now for excess mortality figures to be coming through. Some Quite interesting stuff in here:

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

So we haven’t been counting correctly then. I suppose the extra deaths could not be caused by covid but still be a direct result of covid being around.

buffy said:

We are fare enough through this thing now for excess mortality figures to be coming through. Some Quite interesting stuff in here:

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

Spose they factored in people not going around in cars or bars for that matter

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

I agree. Close the border completely & return the interlopers from whence they came.

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

Stupidest thing to do was to open the border the same time Victoria was beginning their spike in cases. Originally Annastacia said borders would remain closed til September… she shoulda stuck with that plan.

(CNN)Even amid an attempt by President Donald Trump’s aides to shift his focus back to coronavirus, he continues to hear from a wide range of associates — including the CEO of a far-right television network — who are undermining the administration’s health experts and questioning their approach to the pandemic, people familiar with the conversations say.

Trump resumed his daily news briefings on Tuesday afternoon, where he again touted advancements on vaccines and treatments for the virus. After largely ignoring the pandemic for weeks and denying its severity, the White House revived the briefings last week to demonstrate presidential leadership.

Trump abruptly ends briefing after being pressed over retweeting misinformation

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-briefing/index.html

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

I could easily stay two weeks on St Helena.

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

Stupidest thing to do was to open the border the same time Victoria was beginning their spike in cases. Originally Annastacia said borders would remain closed til September… she shoulda stuck with that plan.

They are all under pressure. Most of their voters don’t seem to care about the whole pandemic thing.

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Trump listens to someone?

They’re saying 295 new cases /24 for Vic.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

Stupidest thing to do was to open the border the same time Victoria was beginning their spike in cases. Originally Annastacia said borders would remain closed til September… she shoulda stuck with that plan.

They are all under pressure. Most of their voters don’t seem to care about the whole pandemic thing.

That’s why the government & the opposition must stop playing politics.
This pandemic could destroy entire economies.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Trump listens to someone?

He has to get his retweet material from somewhere.

“She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. “

I’ve never wanted to have cysts and endometriosis, but this makes it appealing….

Melbourne’s love affair with public transport may be over. That’s a shot of Flagstaff station taken by one of SWMBO’s cousins this morning at 0830. Flagstaff is one of the four underground stations in the CBD and is normally packed at that time of morning.

Arts said:

“She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. “

I’ve never wanted to have cysts and endometriosis, but this makes it appealing….

Imagine turning over and seeing this:

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

Hope that happens.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

Stupidest thing to do was to open the border the same time Victoria was beginning their spike in cases. Originally Annastacia said borders would remain closed til September… she shoulda stuck with that plan.

I completely agree.

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Well, that’s nice.

Not.

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Surely that’s an ad hominem attack on the good doctor.

:)

sibeen said:

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Surely that’s an ad hominem attack on the good doctor.

:)

All I said is that Trump listens to her.
Is that a bad thing?

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Surely that’s an ad hominem attack on the good doctor.

:)

All I said is that Trump listens to her.
Is that a bad thing?

I may have overreacted.

kicks dirt

Arts said:

“She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. “

I’ve never wanted to have cysts and endometriosis, but this makes it appealing….

:)

sibeen said:

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Surely that’s an ad hominem attack on the good doctor.

:)

Needed to be done…

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.

—-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

In case you were wondering who Trump is listening to

Surely that’s an ad hominem attack on the good doctor.

:)

Needed to be done…

What is astounding is that Donald Trump Jnr managed to go to some of the best schools and uni in the country and still managed to turn out a stone cold moron. Is stupidity hereditary?

sibeen said:

Melbourne’s love affair with public transport may be over. That’s a shot of Flagstaff station taken by one of SWMBO’s cousins this morning at 0830. Flagstaff is one of the four underground stations in the CBD and is normally packed at that time of morning.

Nah, it will be like childbirth. People will forget. I’d like to think the handwashing might last for a while though.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Surely that’s an ad hominem attack on the good doctor.

:)

Needed to be done…

What is astounding is that Donald Trump Jnr managed to go to some of the best schools and uni in the country and still managed to turn out a stone cold moron. Is stupidity hereditary?

Ignorance appears to be.

Rule 303 said:

They’re saying 295 new cases /24 for Vic.

WE’RE SAVED! TIME TO PARTY! PACK THE CHURCHES!

with corpses

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

Stupidest thing to do was to open the border the same time Victoria was beginning their spike in cases. Originally Annastacia said borders would remain closed til September… she shoulda stuck with that plan.

^

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC news:

‘Queensland has recorded two new cases of coronavirus after two 19-year-old women returned from a trip to Victoria earlier this month.’

That’s it.

We’re shut.

If you’re not in Qld already, then just stay wherever the hell you are. If you were in Victoria any time in the last five months, into isolation on St Helena island in Moreton Bay for you – until whenever.

Stupidest thing to do was to open the border the same time Victoria was beginning their spike in cases. Originally Annastacia said borders would remain closed til September… she shoulda stuck with that plan.

^

^

Still seems to be that Victorians get it at work and NSWers get it at play.

buffy said:

Still seems to be that Victorians get it at work and NSWers get it at play.

You can get it playing host
You can get it writing a post
You can get it sellin a cow…

‘She allege…that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious.’

Oh, ‘tis a consummaton devoutly to be wished…

captain_spalding said:

‘She allege…that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious.’

Oh, ‘tis a consummaton devoutly to be wished…

Let us pray.

Meanwhile, Ms Berejiklian said she would be further tightening current restrictions if NSW cases continued to increase.

The state has 19 new cases amid a growing cluster in Potts Point restaurants, and the Premier wants more businesses to register as COVID-safe.

However she said NSW was in “the strongest position in the nation”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/nsw-premier-disappointed-by-queensland-coronavirus-hotspot-ban/12502690

I’d love to know how she defines “the strongest position in the nation”? I just feel that she’s using words that I can understand but using them in a completely different way to what I’m accustomed to.

sibeen said:

Meanwhile, Ms Berejiklian said she would be further tightening current restrictions if NSW cases continued to increase.

The state has 19 new cases amid a growing cluster in Potts Point restaurants, and the Premier wants more businesses to register as COVID-safe.

However she said NSW was in “the strongest position in the nation”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/nsw-premier-disappointed-by-queensland-coronavirus-hotspot-ban/12502690

I’d love to know how she defines “the strongest position in the nation”? I just feel that she’s using words that I can understand but using them in a completely different way to what I’m accustomed to.

They have a higher population than any other state, and fairly compact border shape. If it comes to all out war they’ll be well placed.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Meanwhile, Ms Berejiklian said she would be further tightening current restrictions if NSW cases continued to increase.

The state has 19 new cases amid a growing cluster in Potts Point restaurants, and the Premier wants more businesses to register as COVID-safe.

However she said NSW was in “the strongest position in the nation”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/nsw-premier-disappointed-by-queensland-coronavirus-hotspot-ban/12502690

I’d love to know how she defines “the strongest position in the nation”? I just feel that she’s using words that I can understand but using them in a completely different way to what I’m accustomed to.

They have a higher population than any other state, and fairly compact border shape. If it comes to all out war they’ll be well placed.

Will Tas be left off the map again?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Meanwhile, Ms Berejiklian said she would be further tightening current restrictions if NSW cases continued to increase.

The state has 19 new cases amid a growing cluster in Potts Point restaurants, and the Premier wants more businesses to register as COVID-safe.

However she said NSW was in “the strongest position in the nation”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/nsw-premier-disappointed-by-queensland-coronavirus-hotspot-ban/12502690

I’d love to know how she defines “the strongest position in the nation”? I just feel that she’s using words that I can understand but using them in a completely different way to what I’m accustomed to.

They have a higher population than any other state, and fairly compact border shape. If it comes to all out war they’ll be well placed.

Will Tas be left off the map again?

I think their best bet is to aim to become a vassal state to Victoria.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Meanwhile, Ms Berejiklian said she would be further tightening current restrictions if NSW cases continued to increase.

The state has 19 new cases amid a growing cluster in Potts Point restaurants, and the Premier wants more businesses to register as COVID-safe.

However she said NSW was in “the strongest position in the nation”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/nsw-premier-disappointed-by-queensland-coronavirus-hotspot-ban/12502690

I’d love to know how she defines “the strongest position in the nation”? I just feel that she’s using words that I can understand but using them in a completely different way to what I’m accustomed to.

They have a higher population than any other state, and fairly compact border shape. If it comes to all out war they’ll be well placed.

Will Tas be left off the map again?

Just hide behind something and when the dust settles Tas will be the Steven Bradbury of states…

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

They have a higher population than any other state, and fairly compact border shape. If it comes to all out war they’ll be well placed.

Will Tas be left off the map again?

I think their best bet is to aim to become a vassal state to Victoria.

fuck that.

furious said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

They have a higher population than any other state, and fairly compact border shape. If it comes to all out war they’ll be well placed.

Will Tas be left off the map again?

Just hide behind something and when the dust settles Tas will be the Steven Bradbury of states…

To “do a bradbury” you’ve got to be good enough to make the top 4 on your own merits first. It is anything but luck to be in that position.

https://youtu.be/s4rbTE3-1Ts
Trump spreads false information about Coronavirus “cure”

party_pants said:

furious said:

sarahs mum said:

Will Tas be left off the map again?

Just hide behind something and when the dust settles Tas will be the Steven Bradbury of states…

To “do a bradbury” you’ve got to be good enough to make the top 4 on your own merits first. It is anything but luck to be in that position.

all he did off his own merits was win his heat.. the rest of the competition was luck.

party_pants said:

furious said:

sarahs mum said:

Will Tas be left off the map again?

Just hide behind something and when the dust settles Tas will be the Steven Bradbury of states…

To “do a bradbury” you’ve got to be good enough to make the top 4 on your own merits first. It is anything but luck to be in that position.

tassie topped the economic data first quarter this year. Funny how that happens.And I would think it would be downhill from here. But house prices are still on the rise in Hobart and you can’t get any builders and there are waiting lists for lots of trades. But then tourism…we are going to be down a lot of lattes and posh plates of food.

dv said:

https://youtu.be/s4rbTE3-1Ts
Trump spreads false information about Coronavirus “cure”

Don Jnr has been kicked off twitter.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Will Tas be left off the map again?

I think their best bet is to aim to become a vassal state to Victoria.

fuck that.

How bout becoming the west island of NZ?

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

I think their best bet is to aim to become a vassal state to Victoria.

fuck that.

How bout becoming the west island of NZ?

fuck that, eh bro.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

I think their best bet is to aim to become a vassal state to Victoria.

fuck that.

How bout becoming the west island of NZ?

I am open to a test run. I think I would be okay if my Sarah said she was planning a trip to Queenstown NZ to play in the snow.

Three people in their 20s in ICU in Victoria

Among the 266 people in hospital in Victoria, 33 are under 50. There is one child under 10, two between 10 and 20, and seven in their 20s.

Of that group of seven, three are in intensive care units.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-queensland-victoria-nsw/12501508

SCIENCE said:

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What A Surprise, Infectious Diseases Are Infectious, And Selfish Arseholes Are Selfish

Queensland has recorded a third case of coronavirus in Logan, south of Brisbane, after two women who had travelled from Victoria tested positive overnight. Queensland Health said the woman, 22, was a close contact of one of the two 19-year-old women who tested positive for coronavirus overnight.

She is an employee of YMCA Chatswood Hills Outside School Hours Care in Springwood — both it and the associated school, Chatswood Hills State School, have now been closed for cleaning.

Good luck with all those gatherings.

Yeah.

sigh

SCIENCE said:

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What A Surprise, Infectious Diseases Are Infectious, And Selfish Arseholes Are Selfish

… and some are just called Clive Palmer.

My hatred for Clive Palmer resides inside temporary fabric shelters.

^ ^^

trouble is, if that arsehole actually wins the case, well, fuck

SCIENCE said:

^ ^^

trouble is, if that arsehole actually wins the case, well, fuck

We’ll have to secede, quite frankly. At least until the Covids is over.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/face-mask-melbourne-mitchell-shire-coronavirus-legal-human-right/12494100

party_pants said:

My hatred for Clive Palmer resides inside temporary fabric shelters.

?

Tents?

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

^ ^^

trouble is, if that arsehole actually wins the case, well, fuck

We’ll have to secede, quite frankly. At least until the Covids is over.

I’d agree.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

My hatred for Clive Palmer resides inside temporary fabric shelters.

?

Tents?

Intense.

Melbourne United NBL players Mitch McCarron and Jo Lual-Acui return positive coronavirus tests
………………………….
It’s found it way into basketball, now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-melbourne-united-nbl-players-test-positive/12504570

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

My hatred for Clive Palmer resides inside temporary fabric shelters.

?

Tents?

Intense.

Ah, thanks. See, this is why I’m not good a crossword puzzles…

Anti-vaxxer Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill – which falsely claims food can cure serious diseases – is removed from Netflix after he spread misinformation about coronavirus

Disgraced celebrity chef Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill was recently removed from the streaming platform Netflix after its contract came to an end. 

The film has copped significant backlash from health professionals since its 2017 release for falsely suggesting that the Paleo diet can potentially cure illnesses such as cancer, diabetes, autism and heart disease.

And after three years on Netflix, anyone who tries to access the film now gets a 404 Not Found page. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8570483/Pete-Evans-harmful-documentary-Magic-Pill-removed-streaming-giant-Netflix.html

dv said:

Anti-vaxxer Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill – which falsely claims food can cure serious diseases – is removed from Netflix after he spread misinformation about coronavirus

Disgraced celebrity chef Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill was recently removed from the streaming platform Netflix after its contract came to an end. 

The film has copped significant backlash from health professionals since its 2017 release for falsely suggesting that the Paleo diet can potentially cure illnesses such as cancer, diabetes, autism and heart disease.

And after three years on Netflix, anyone who tries to access the film now gets a 404 Not Found page. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8570483/Pete-Evans-harmful-documentary-Magic-Pill-removed-streaming-giant-Netflix.html

Good.

The more that can be done to stop Evans from spreading his nonsense, the better, I reckon.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

?

Tents?

Intense.

Ah, thanks. See, this is why I’m not good a crossword puzzles…

Sorry, I have calmed down a bit now.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Anti-vaxxer Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill – which falsely claims food can cure serious diseases – is removed from Netflix after he spread misinformation about coronavirus

Disgraced celebrity chef Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill was recently removed from the streaming platform Netflix after its contract came to an end. 

The film has copped significant backlash from health professionals since its 2017 release for falsely suggesting that the Paleo diet can potentially cure illnesses such as cancer, diabetes, autism and heart disease.

And after three years on Netflix, anyone who tries to access the film now gets a 404 Not Found page. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8570483/Pete-Evans-harmful-documentary-Magic-Pill-removed-streaming-giant-Netflix.html

Good.

The more that can be done to stop Evans from spreading his nonsense, the better, I reckon.

I’m in brace position preparing for some of our forummers to decry this as more cancel culture.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Intense.

Ah, thanks. See, this is why I’m not good a crossword puzzles…

Sorry, I have calmed down a bit now.

It’s OK. I intensely dislike the fat slimy bastard, too.

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Anti-vaxxer Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill – which falsely claims food can cure serious diseases – is removed from Netflix after he spread misinformation about coronavirus

Disgraced celebrity chef Pete Evans’ documentary The Magic Pill was recently removed from the streaming platform Netflix after its contract came to an end. 

The film has copped significant backlash from health professionals since its 2017 release for falsely suggesting that the Paleo diet can potentially cure illnesses such as cancer, diabetes, autism and heart disease.

And after three years on Netflix, anyone who tries to access the film now gets a 404 Not Found page. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8570483/Pete-Evans-harmful-documentary-Magic-Pill-removed-streaming-giant-Netflix.html

Good.

The more that can be done to stop Evans from spreading his nonsense, the better, I reckon.

I’m in brace position preparing for some of our forummers to decry this as more cancel culture.

It is, cancelling rubbish.

I make no claims regarding the accuracy of the following:

To give a reliable picture.

News reports need to give the number of people each day who have recovered from coronavirus.

Rule 303 said:

I make no claims regarding the accuracy of the following:

Is it full time workers versus part time contractor positions?

Coastal Texas Hit By A Hurricane While Dealing With COVID-19 | The 11th Hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-uq_wDvmpw

Use of shelters way down. And Florida could be getting their very own hurricane soon.

sarahs mum said:

Coastal Texas Hit By A Hurricane While Dealing With COVID-19 | The 11th Hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-uq_wDvmpw

Use of shelters way down. And Florida could be getting their very own hurricane soon.

One senses that the US probably couldn’t take another crisis at this point

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Coastal Texas Hit By A Hurricane While Dealing With COVID-19 | The 11th Hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-uq_wDvmpw

Use of shelters way down. And Florida could be getting their very own hurricane soon.

One senses that the US probably couldn’t take another crisis at this point

Mother Nature: challenge accepted

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

I make no claims regarding the accuracy of the following:

Is it full time workers versus part time contractor positions?

Commercial aged care facilities are effectively unregulated, and some of them are f’n awful.

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

I make no claims regarding the accuracy of the following:

Is it full time workers versus part time contractor positions?

Commercial aged care facilities are effectively unregulated, and some of them are f’n awful.

No they aren’t. They are quite stringently regulated if they receive any government funding.

poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Is it full time workers versus part time contractor positions?

Commercial aged care facilities are effectively unregulated, and some of them are f’n awful.

No they aren’t. They are quite stringently regulated if they receive any government funding.

I refer you to the 8,800 submissions to the current Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety.

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

Commercial aged care facilities are effectively unregulated, and some of them are f’n awful.

No they aren’t. They are quite stringently regulated if they receive any government funding.

I refer you to the 8,800 submissions to the current Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety.

I’m not sure how that’s useful, but ok. e.g. Smoking is healthy too, I refer you to 316 million Chinese smokers.

Michael V said:

Three people in their 20s in ICU in Victoria

Among the 266 people in hospital in Victoria, 33 are under 50. There is one child under 10, two between 10 and 20, and seven in their 20s.

Of that group of seven, three are in intensive care units.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-queensland-victoria-nsw/12501508

You do understand that people of all ages can have co-morbidities? The lady two doors down from us has been isolated for weeks now because it will kill her if she catches it. She is in her 20s. (She won’t make old bones anyway, but she’s not ready yet to go)

Even if you don’t have co-morbities, it can hang around for months. No one wants to be sick.

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

I make no claims regarding the accuracy of the following:

Is it full time workers versus part time contractor positions?

Commercial aged care facilities are effectively unregulated, and some of them are f’n awful.

It’s the Feds domain. Mum’s place seems very good. It’s a church run place. I was interested to find out many places hadn’t actually stopped visits during the first phase – Agewell Box Hill was closed to visitors for most of the first phase, and even when it re-opened you had to make an appointment, be met at the door, answer questions, provide proof of flu vax, were escorted to the person you were visiting and were escorted out again. Visits were 1/2 an hour (I think – we didn’t actually get to a visit, they closed again before we got organized). And still one of the staff tested positive last week. Although they may have staff across a couple of places, because I think there is another one in Preston.

Divine Angel said:

Even if you don’t have co-morbities, it can hang around for months. No one wants to be sick.

No, but it’s likely that the younger ones who need hospital have something else going on which isn’t helpful and they may well need hospital for other infections if this one was not the Rogue of the Moment.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Even if you don’t have co-morbities, it can hang around for months. No one wants to be sick.

No, but it’s likely that the younger ones who need hospital have something else going on which isn’t helpful and they may well need hospital for other infections if this one was not the Rogue of the Moment.

I disagree with the underestimation of the long term effects. On reading a few testimonials from people who have tested positive and, as a self report, were ‘healthy’, the long(er) term effects seem pretty nasty and debilitating.

Now, that of course could be a response from the media reporting the stuff that is unusual as opposed to anyone who recovers and seems fine… but I am concerned with the ‘but that must be because’ response where we have such limited knowledge…

but then I do look three times when I cross the road… so I might just be overcautious with stuff that can fuck you up.

Arts said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Even if you don’t have co-morbities, it can hang around for months. No one wants to be sick.

No, but it’s likely that the younger ones who need hospital have something else going on which isn’t helpful and they may well need hospital for other infections if this one was not the Rogue of the Moment.

I disagree with the underestimation of the long term effects. On reading a few testimonials from people who have tested positive and, as a self report, were ‘healthy’, the long(er) term effects seem pretty nasty and debilitating.

Now, that of course could be a response from the media reporting the stuff that is unusual as opposed to anyone who recovers and seems fine… but I am concerned with the ‘but that must be because’ response where we have such limited knowledge…

but then I do look three times when I cross the road… so I might just be overcautious with stuff that can fuck you up.

We really don’t have long enough to know about this. I don’t think we know about long term yet. We do know that people can take months to recover from viral infections.

There’s a twitter thread I posted last night was from a previously healthy twenty-something whose had Covid for four months. As well as ongoing flu symptoms, her cognitive abilities have also declined. In short, she feels like absolute shite every day.

buffy said:

Arts said:

buffy said:

No, but it’s likely that the younger ones who need hospital have something else going on which isn’t helpful and they may well need hospital for other infections if this one was not the Rogue of the Moment.

I disagree with the underestimation of the long term effects. On reading a few testimonials from people who have tested positive and, as a self report, were ‘healthy’, the long(er) term effects seem pretty nasty and debilitating.

Now, that of course could be a response from the media reporting the stuff that is unusual as opposed to anyone who recovers and seems fine… but I am concerned with the ‘but that must be because’ response where we have such limited knowledge…

but then I do look three times when I cross the road… so I might just be overcautious with stuff that can fuck you up.

We really don’t have long enough to know about this. I don’t think we know about long term yet. We do know that people can take months to recover from viral infections.

I agree.. that’s why I said ‘long(er) term’ deliberately…

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Is it full time workers versus part time contractor positions?

Commercial aged care facilities are effectively unregulated, and some of them are f’n awful.

It’s the Feds domain. Mum’s place seems very good. It’s a church run place. I was interested to find out many places hadn’t actually stopped visits during the first phase – Agewell Box Hill was closed to visitors for most of the first phase, and even when it re-opened you had to make an appointment, be met at the door, answer questions, provide proof of flu vax, were escorted to the person you were visiting and were escorted out again. Visits were 1/2 an hour (I think – we didn’t actually get to a visit, they closed again before we got organized). And still one of the staff tested positive last week. Although they may have staff across a couple of places, because I think there is another one in Preston.

I have limited experience of them personally. I’ve delivered in-house training for most of the big mobs, on maybe a couple of dozen occasions, but the conversation in the rooms is always suppressed by the presence of management types, and I’ve only ever seen the ‘general public’ or staff areas of facilities. RuleKid2 has recently jumped into a Cert III Aged Care traineeship with one of the very high quality providers (which MrsRule administers on behalf of the Feds, so was able to steer her).

The early output of the Royal Commission doesn’t sound very hopeful. They’ve titled the Interim Report “Neglect” and introduced it with this statement:

“Aged Care in Australia: A Shocking Tale of Neglect

The Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety’s Interim Report has found the aged care system fails to meet the needs of its older, vulnerable, citizens. It does not deliver uniformly safe and quality care, is unkind and uncaring towards older people and, in too many instances, it neglects them.”

https://agedcare.royalcommission.gov.au/

149,375 deaths

US

sarahs mum said:

149,375 deaths

US

what about them

and more seriously, have the predictions been better matched now

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/how-to-help-elderly-family-dementia-aged-care-coronavirus/12504880

are Swedish elders more immune to nightmares, confusion and delirium ¿

Reopening schools has been billed as a more equitable policy but is pseudorandom rolling school closure really more equitable ¿

Several government and Catholic schools, as well as a preschool, will be closed in Sydney due to confirmed or suspected coronavirus cases.

Fort Street High School in Sydney’s inner west will close for the day for a thorough clean after a possible case of COVID-19.

The school could be shut for longer, pending test results.

Two Catholic schools in the city’s south-west, Mary Immaculate Primary School in Bossley Park and Freeman Catholic College in Bonnyrig Heights, which only re-opened yesterday, will shut again after two children from the same family tested positive for the virus.

Neither child went to school yesterday when it re-opened, but both schools will close until August 10 as an extra precaution, with students learning online.

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Eradication Is For The Weak, And Suppression Is For Cowards Anyway. Who Gives A Fuck, Time To Let It Rip!

Victoria to confirm a record number of cases

The ABC understands 723 new cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed overnight.

It is the highest daily tally of the pandemic.

Premier Daniel Andrews is expected to hold a press conference later today.

Time is yet to be confirmed.

Bugger.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Yet to be confirmed

Victoria to confirm a record number of cases

The ABC understands 723 new cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed overnight.

It is the highest daily tally of the pandemic.

Premier Daniel Andrews is expected to hold a press conference later today.

Time is yet to be confirmed.

Bugger.

Wonder if I have enough toilet paper?

Michael V said:

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Eradication Is For The Weak, And Suppression Is For Cowards Anyway. Who Gives A Fuck, Time To Let It Rip!

Victoria to confirm a record number of cases

The ABC understands 723 new cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed overnight.

It is the highest daily tally of the pandemic.

Premier Daniel Andrews is expected to hold a press conference later today.

Time is yet to be confirmed.

Bugger.

Oh.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ shows only 276 yesterday, for all of Australia, but they do lag a bit.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

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Eradication Is For The Weak, And Suppression Is For Cowards Anyway. Who Gives A Fuck, Time To Let It Rip!

Victoria to confirm a record number of cases

The ABC understands 723 new cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed overnight.

It is the highest daily tally of the pandemic.

Premier Daniel Andrews is expected to hold a press conference later today.

Time is yet to be confirmed.

Bugger.

Oh.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ shows only 276 yesterday, for all of Australia, but they do lag a bit.

“My analysis of the data suggests when cases reach 100 over 14 days — the “red zone” — then an outbreak becomes very difficult to control.

This happened in Victoria on June 18, before cases skyrocketed and a second lockdown was called for July 8.

Over the last fortnight, NSW has recorded at least 154 new cases (minus international arrives in quarantine), which is very concerning.

NSW had previously been tracking very well in managing the virus, before cases imported from Victoria started several chains of transmission, including the Crossroads Hotel cluster”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/new-south-wales-coronavirus-knife-edge-red-zones/12506074

The early money is saying 723 for Vic today.

Triffic.

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 723 for Vic today.

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Peak Warming Man said:

Triffic.

Just stay on the farm anyway.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 723 for Vic today.

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Ugh, thanks?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 723 for Vic today.

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Stay glued to your TV set.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 723 for Vic today.

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Stay glued to your TV set.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-queensland-nsw/12505700

I don’t envy having Dan Andrews’ job today.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Triffic.

Just stay on the farm anyway.

I’m happy my blood test failed so I can’t leave home & go to Cairns. Home is safe, Cairns possibly not.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Stay glued to your TV set.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-queensland-nsw/12505700

Daniel Andrews will tell us at 11AM.

This fkn virus is gonna hit us economically for a long, long time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/early-access-superannuation-estimate-double-coronavirus-payment/12505984

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Stay glued to your TV set.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-queensland-nsw/12505700

Daniel Andrews will tell us at 11AM.

From live updates..

On that illegal party in Melbourne

Deputy Commissioner Gollschewski said there were somewhere between 20 to 30 people at the party which was attended by the two of Queensland’s latest six cases.

“Victoria Police took action against all of them,” he said. “I don’t have the exact details, I understand there was a disturbance which related to why the police had been called to it. “They took the appropriate action and through that action by police in Victoria that we know who exactly was at the party and can relate the fact there were no other Queenslanders. “We’re still working with the Victorian authorities and are also interested into their activities and what they were doing and certainly any other activity since they have been in Queensland and before that. “There are other investigations ongoing at the moment that I cannot comment on.”

Divine Angel said:

This fkn virus is gonna hit us economically for a long, long time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/early-access-superannuation-estimate-double-coronavirus-payment/12505984

Indeed.

Divine Angel said:

This fkn virus is gonna hit us economically for a long, long time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/early-access-superannuation-estimate-double-coronavirus-payment/12505984

Won’t matter now that MMT has been invented.

Dr Young said she’s worried where the person who is not co-operating with police has been over the past week

“I am very concerned about the second individual who has not been cooperative and has not shared with us where she has been,” she said. “So we have not been able to contact those venues and we will continue to work with that individual and hopefully get information. “That is why I am saying that people should be very cautious if they have got any symptoms at all, doesn’t matter where they live, in Brisbane, or indeed anywhere in the state, this is the time to get yourself tested.”

roughbarked said:

Dr Young said she’s worried where the person who is not co-operating with police has been over the past week

“I am very concerned about the second individual who has not been cooperative and has not shared with us where she has been,” she said. “So we have not been able to contact those venues and we will continue to work with that individual and hopefully get information. “That is why I am saying that people should be very cautious if they have got any symptoms at all, doesn’t matter where they live, in Brisbane, or indeed anywhere in the state, this is the time to get yourself tested.”

3 minutes ago

By Alicia Nally
And, the NSW Premier won’t be talking at 11am now

We will let you know when that press conference has been rescheduled to when we get details.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 723 for Vic today.

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Stay glued to your TV set.

wall success

Divine Angel said:

This fkn virus is gonna hit us economically for a long, long time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/early-access-superannuation-estimate-double-coronavirus-payment/12505984

But the sharemarket says it’s all going peachy? Surely the day traders can’t be wrong? BUY BUY BUY!

Peak Warming Man said:

Triffic.

And, they have now found a third woman who deceptively went to the illegal party in Melbourne and also returned using a false declaration.

Unfortunately she is not co-operating with authorities and refuses to help with contact tracing. This is not good.

Vietnam, which has been praised for its response to the pandemic, reported its first local case for more than three months last weekend, after a man in the central city of Da Nang became ill. Officials have said that the recent infections involve a new strain of the virus that has originated outside of the country, and which seemed to be more virulent.

The government is evacuating 80,000 people from Da Nang, mostly tourists who had been taking advantage of discounted travel deals, who will be required to isolate at home. The city has been placed under strict lockdown, with flights suspended. VTV reported that the cases in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City were linked to the cluster in Da Nang.

Reemphasis to follow.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 723 for Vic today.

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Stay glued to your TV set.

Why? It will make no difference to the numbers or to your personal risk.

The reason we’re so susceptible to this damn panic is because we don’t let kids eat dirt anymore.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Stay glued to your TV set.

Why? It will make no difference to the numbers or to your personal risk.

Since everyone has 50 kg super huge screen TV sets these days, the drastically reduced outdoor population movements should markedly reduce personal risk.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That’s what SCIENCE said.

Stay glued to your TV set.

Why? It will make no difference to the numbers or to your personal risk.

It could use up the supply of popcorn but it will mean you don’t go out.

Peak Warming Man said:

The reason we’re so susceptible to this damn panic is because we don’t let kids eat dirt anymore.

:)

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Stay glued to your TV set.

Why? It will make no difference to the numbers or to your personal risk.

Since everyone has 50 kg super huge screen TV sets these days, the drastically reduced outdoor population movements should markedly reduce personal risk.

Boris doesn’t even have one.

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Other states wake up and take proper infection control measures BEFORE the infections happen, not after.

https://theconversation.com/new-south-wales-on-a-knife-edge-as-cumulative-coronavirus-case-numbers-spiral-into-the-red-zone-143608

recording more than 150 COVID-19 cases over the last 14 days, a worrying sign … when cases reach 100 over 14 days – the “red zone” – then an outbreak becomes very difficult to control. This happened in Victoria on June 18, before cases skyrocketed and a second lockdown was called for July 8. NSW had previously been tracking very well in managing the virus, before cases imported from Victoria started several chains of transmission, including the Crossroads Hotel cluster.

The wide geographic spread is of particular concern, as it would rule out ring-fencing as a possible approach to containing the spread of the virus.

roughbarked said:

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Other states wake up and take proper infection control measures BEFORE the infections happen, not after.

https://theconversation.com/new-south-wales-on-a-knife-edge-as-cumulative-coronavirus-case-numbers-spiral-into-the-red-zone-143608

recording more than 150 COVID-19 cases over the last 14 days, a worrying sign … when cases reach 100 over 14 days – the “red zone” – then an outbreak becomes very difficult to control. This happened in Victoria on June 18, before cases skyrocketed and a second lockdown was called for July 8. NSW had previously been tracking very well in managing the virus, before cases imported from Victoria started several chains of transmission, including the Crossroads Hotel cluster.

The wide geographic spread is of particular concern, as it would rule out ring-fencing as a possible approach to containing the spread of the virus.

Republican Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert says he may have contracted the coronavirus because he wore a mask, despite the fact that he regularly refused to wear masks

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/louie-gohmert-suggests-he-got-coronavirus-because-he-wore-mask-2020-7

Rep. Louie Gohmert suggested he contracted the coronavirus because he wore a face mask, even though he’s regularly refused to wear a mask.

“When I have a mask on, I’m moving it to make it comfortable, and I can’t help but wonder if that put some germs in the mask,” Gohmert said.

Gohmert was regularly seen not wearing a mask or social distancing from staffers and colleagues while on the House floor and in and around the Capitol.

He tested positive for the virus on Wednesday.

dv said:

Republican Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert says he may have contracted the coronavirus because he wore a mask, despite the fact that he regularly refused to wear masks

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/louie-gohmert-suggests-he-got-coronavirus-because-he-wore-mask-2020-7

Rep. Louie Gohmert suggested he contracted the coronavirus because he wore a face mask, even though he’s regularly refused to wear a mask.

“When I have a mask on, I’m moving it to make it comfortable, and I can’t help but wonder if that put some germs in the mask,” Gohmert said.

Gohmert was regularly seen not wearing a mask or social distancing from staffers and colleagues while on the House floor and in and around the Capitol.

He tested positive for the virus on Wednesday.

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Fair enough, they ain’t pretty

dv said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Fair enough, they ain’t pretty

I never want to see their face again.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Fair enough, they ain’t pretty

I never want to see their face again.

Nay, sir, begone, vamos!

roughbarked said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Fair enough, they ain’t pretty

I never want to see their face again.

No way, get fucked, fuck off.

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

including on your runs?

Arts said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

including on your runs?

Nup, get a pass for going on a run. Thank the great gnu. I’m puffing like a steam train after a few hundred metres.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

including on your runs?

Might cause a huge upsurge in sales of exercise machines?

sibeen said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

including on your runs?

Nup, get a pass for going on a run. Thank the great gnu. I’m puffing like a steam train after a few hundred metres.

Don’t run where people are walking.

MZL won’t be happy:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-government-will-not-advise-public-to-wear-masks-minister-20200730-p55grt.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

MZL won’t be happy:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-government-will-not-advise-public-to-wear-masks-minister-20200730-p55grt.html

MLHD say: Masks have proven effective in suppressing COVID-19 transmission.

dv said:

Republican Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert says he may have contracted the coronavirus because he wore a mask, despite the fact that he regularly refused to wear masks

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/louie-gohmert-suggests-he-got-coronavirus-because-he-wore-mask-2020-7

Rep. Louie Gohmert suggested he contracted the coronavirus because he wore a face mask, even though he’s regularly refused to wear a mask.

“When I have a mask on, I’m moving it to make it comfortable, and I can’t help but wonder if that put some germs in the mask,” Gohmert said.

Gohmert was regularly seen not wearing a mask or social distancing from staffers and colleagues while on the House floor and in and around the Capitol.

He tested positive for the virus on Wednesday.

Another Covidiot.

Also shows how poor his logic is.

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Yeah they seem to be working pretty well.

dv said:

dv said:

Republican Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert says he may have contracted the coronavirus because he wore a mask, despite the fact that he regularly refused to wear masks

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/louie-gohmert-suggests-he-got-coronavirus-because-he-wore-mask-2020-7

Rep. Louie Gohmert suggested he contracted the coronavirus because he wore a face mask, even though he’s regularly refused to wear a mask.

“When I have a mask on, I’m moving it to make it comfortable, and I can’t help but wonder if that put some germs in the mask,” Gohmert said.

Gohmert was regularly seen not wearing a mask or social distancing from staffers and colleagues while on the House floor and in and around the Capitol.

He tested positive for the virus on Wednesday.

sigh

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

that includes you.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Yeah they seem to be working pretty well.

people in some of the groups on Facebook are already asking advice on how they can ‘get away’ with not wearing a mask.. other people are linking them to these print outs that you are supposed to use if you have a genuine reason for not wearing a mask (like disability, autism etc). first people are whoop whooping around thinking that this will ‘get them out of wearing a mask’ other people are telling them that they need a doctors cert for it because the generic print out won’t help them a bit if someones asks for a med cert. first people are getting stupid about it “But I have anxiety! I CANT go out into a public place with a whole bunch of people”.

I wrote “Then don’t”.

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

so if the mask thing isn’t working, it’s not for the reasons you think.

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Yeah they seem to be working pretty well.

people in some of the groups on Facebook are already asking advice on how they can ‘get away’ with not wearing a mask.. other people are linking them to these print outs that you are supposed to use if you have a genuine reason for not wearing a mask (like disability, autism etc). first people are whoop whooping around thinking that this will ‘get them out of wearing a mask’ other people are telling them that they need a doctors cert for it because the generic print out won’t help them a bit if someones asks for a med cert. first people are getting stupid about it “But I have anxiety! I CANT go out into a public place with a whole bunch of people”.

I wrote “Then don’t”.

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

so if the mask thing isn’t working, it’s not for the reasons you think.

Jesus. You’re as bad as SWMBO. She’s on all these forums and sites arguing with people and telling them they’re fools & idiots etc.

If I was to talk to idiots I just come here.

Arts said:

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

‘But, i have to go get coffee! I mean, do you expect me to make my own coffee ? What is this, the Third World? And, if i wear a mask, how ill people see that it’s me being all trendy and going out to get coffee?’

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah they seem to be working pretty well.

people in some of the groups on Facebook are already asking advice on how they can ‘get away’ with not wearing a mask.. other people are linking them to these print outs that you are supposed to use if you have a genuine reason for not wearing a mask (like disability, autism etc). first people are whoop whooping around thinking that this will ‘get them out of wearing a mask’ other people are telling them that they need a doctors cert for it because the generic print out won’t help them a bit if someones asks for a med cert. first people are getting stupid about it “But I have anxiety! I CANT go out into a public place with a whole bunch of people”.

I wrote “Then don’t”.

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

so if the mask thing isn’t working, it’s not for the reasons you think.

Jesus. You’re as bad as SWMBO. She’s on all these forums and sites arguing with people and telling them they’re fools & idiots etc.

If I was to talk to idiots I just come here.

me too :).

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah they seem to be working pretty well.

people in some of the groups on Facebook are already asking advice on how they can ‘get away’ with not wearing a mask.. other people are linking them to these print outs that you are supposed to use if you have a genuine reason for not wearing a mask (like disability, autism etc). first people are whoop whooping around thinking that this will ‘get them out of wearing a mask’ other people are telling them that they need a doctors cert for it because the generic print out won’t help them a bit if someones asks for a med cert. first people are getting stupid about it “But I have anxiety! I CANT go out into a public place with a whole bunch of people”.

I wrote “Then don’t”.

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

so if the mask thing isn’t working, it’s not for the reasons you think.

Jesus. You’re as bad as SWMBO. She’s on all these forums and sites arguing with people and telling them they’re fools & idiots etc.

If I was to talk to idiots I just come here.

And you’re most welcome here. You fit in very nicely.

‘One of us, one of us, gabba gabba hey!’

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah they seem to be working pretty well.

people in some of the groups on Facebook are already asking advice on how they can ‘get away’ with not wearing a mask.. other people are linking them to these print outs that you are supposed to use if you have a genuine reason for not wearing a mask (like disability, autism etc). first people are whoop whooping around thinking that this will ‘get them out of wearing a mask’ other people are telling them that they need a doctors cert for it because the generic print out won’t help them a bit if someones asks for a med cert. first people are getting stupid about it “But I have anxiety! I CANT go out into a public place with a whole bunch of people”.

I wrote “Then don’t”.

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

so if the mask thing isn’t working, it’s not for the reasons you think.

Jesus. You’re as bad as SWMBO. She’s on all these forums and sites arguing with people and telling them they’re fools & idiots etc.

If I was to talk to idiots I just come here.

:) greetings fellow idiot.

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

‘But, i have to go get coffee! I mean, do you expect me to make my own coffee ? What is this, the Third World? And, if i wear a mask, how ill people see that it’s me being all trendy and going out to get coffee?’

Instead of toilet paper, I stocked up on coffee at the start of all this.

I don’t actually engage to a massive extent… I mean what do I care? I’m happy over here in my western bubble… but I don’t mind a small shit stir with few words. Then I don’t respond to them afterwards at all.. because I know it drives them nuts.

It’s the little things that amuse me … which, again, is why I come here :)

Arts said:

I don’t actually engage to a massive extent… I mean what do I care? I’m happy over here in my western bubble… but I don’t mind a small shit stir with few words. Then I don’t respond to them afterwards at all.. because I know it drives them nuts.

It’s the little things that amuse me … which, again, is why I come here :)

That’s so big of you. :)

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

The ‘wear a mask outside’ ruling is now going to apply to all of Victoria from Sunday night.

Yeah they seem to be working pretty well.

people in some of the groups on Facebook are already asking advice on how they can ‘get away’ with not wearing a mask.. other people are linking them to these print outs that you are supposed to use if you have a genuine reason for not wearing a mask (like disability, autism etc). first people are whoop whooping around thinking that this will ‘get them out of wearing a mask’ other people are telling them that they need a doctors cert for it because the generic print out won’t help them a bit if someones asks for a med cert. first people are getting stupid about it “But I have anxiety! I CANT go out into a public place with a whole bunch of people”.

I wrote “Then don’t”.

now I am getting the run down of their history and needs which include going for coffee.

so if the mask thing isn’t working, it’s not for the reasons you think.

Out and about in the general public, about 20% of people are not wearing them properly, and maybe 50% are wearing token masks, in my recent observatrions.

I wonder if the deaths of pro-Trump political activists from the Covids could harm Trump’s re-election campaign…

dv said:

Ain’t karma a bitch?

That’s what happens when 80yos start student groups. Probably caught it at a kegger.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Ain’t karma a bitch?

Fitting, in this case.

Witty Rejoinder said:

That’s what happens when 80yos start student groups. Probably caught it at a kegger.

He really was 80. Very strange.

1485 deaths in the USA yesterday, their worst day since May.

Also new record deathcounts in Florida, California, Texas.

Arizona might be past the worst of it.

There were quite a few ‘experts’ interviewed on the radio yesterday saying they were cautiously optimistic that the cases in Victoria had peaked.

Peak Warming Man said:

There were quite a few ‘experts’ interviewed on the radio yesterday saying they were cautiously optimistic that the cases in Victoria had peaked.

Well I’m glad it was cautious

Peak Warming Man said:

There were quite a few ‘experts’ interviewed on the radio yesterday saying they were cautiously optimistic that the cases in Victoria had peaked.

I hope that today is the peak and we’ll be down into double digits ‘only’ by the end of next week.

“On some days the virus wins.”

Damn. Masks means we will have to shut down archery again. Our trainer has been trying to find which sort of mask might work by trying them out, and none of them really do. You anchor your shot against the corner of your mouth. And the string could easily catch in the elastic around your ears. I don’t know if he’s tried the robber bandana style.

buffy said:

Damn. Masks means we will have to shut down archery again. Our trainer has been trying to find which sort of mask might work by trying them out, and none of them really do. You anchor your shot against the corner of your mouth. And the string could easily catch in the elastic around your ears. I don’t know if he’s tried the robber bandana style.

Wearing a Mask AND Shooting Archery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POZc3BkmUKw

dv said:

I saw some ‘right wing people’ claiming it was racist and an ad hominen attack to mention this woman’s beliefs.

sibeen said:

dv said:

I saw some ‘right wing people’ claiming it was racist and an ad hominen attack to mention this woman’s beliefs.

I’m sure they were arguing in good faith

party_pants said:

I wonder if the deaths of pro-Trump political activists from the Covids could harm Trump’s re-election campaign…

it won’t, it just shows how committed to his cause he really is, doesn’t sweat about losing a few voters, doesn’t need them, it’ll be an even greater win than ever

fsm said:

buffy said:

Damn. Masks means we will have to shut down archery again. Our trainer has been trying to find which sort of mask might work by trying them out, and none of them really do. You anchor your shot against the corner of your mouth. And the string could easily catch in the elastic around your ears. I don’t know if he’s tried the robber bandana style.

Wearing a Mask AND Shooting Archery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POZc3BkmUKw

B has been trying over the past few weeks for this eventuality and he feels it doesn’t work very well. Wouldn’t make much difference to my accuracy…

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There were quite a few ‘experts’ interviewed on the radio yesterday saying they were cautiously optimistic that the cases in Victoria had peaked.

I hope that today is the peak and we’ll be down into double digits ‘only’ by the end of next week.

It ought to drop reasonably sharply because it went up reasonably sharply. So biggish numbers will finish their isolation periods at the same time.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There were quite a few ‘experts’ interviewed on the radio yesterday saying they were cautiously optimistic that the cases in Victoria had peaked.

I hope that today is the peak and we’ll be down into double digits ‘only’ by the end of next week.

It ought to drop reasonably sharply because it went up reasonably sharply. So biggish numbers will finish their isolation periods at the same time.

maybe but big peaks elsewhere in the world haven’t generally dropped precipitously

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

I hope that today is the peak and we’ll be down into double digits ‘only’ by the end of next week.

It ought to drop reasonably sharply because it went up reasonably sharply. So biggish numbers will finish their isolation periods at the same time.

maybe but big peaks elsewhere in the world haven’t generally dropped precipitously

Why not? It’s just a 14 day rolling wave.

Oh,and thanks fsm…we’ve sent that archery link to B.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Australia has done a hella number of tests. (Number 69 on the chart)

buffy said:

Oh,and thanks fsm…we’ve sent that archery link to B.

:)

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Australia has done a hella number of tests. (Number 69 on the chart)

22nd on Tests/million.

And most of those ahead are very small population places, although USA, Russia and UK are amongst those with more testing.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

It ought to drop reasonably sharply because it went up reasonably sharply. So biggish numbers will finish their isolation periods at the same time.

maybe but big peaks elsewhere in the world haven’t generally dropped precipitously

Why not? It’s just a 14 day rolling wave.

we don’t know, various reasons we guess, will have to get back to you on that

just no counting on it, so everyone should be taking it seriously

at least unlike the USSA we can solve the reverse zoonosis problem, just let the summer fires kill another 3000000000 animals and no more réservoir this year

Senator majority leader Mitch McConnell has stated that he won’t allow any Covid-19 relief bills to come to a vote in the Senate that do not include items from his wishlist including a ban on medical malpractice lawsuits until 2024, even if the lawsuits don’t pertain to Covid-19.
https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/72820-0

Umbrella Man: Minneapolis suspect linked to white supremacists

Police in Minneapolis say a man known as “Umbrella Man”, seen damaging property in the city during the Black Lives Matter protests, has links to white supremacy groups.

People took to the city’s streets following the death there in May of George Floyd, an unarmed black man.

Police say Umbrella Man helped turn the largely peaceful protests violent.

Footage of the man wearing a mask and carrying an umbrella while smashing shop windows went viral online.

In the video, taken on 27 May, Umbrella Man can be seen breaking the windows with a hammer as people approach him trying to get him to stop. He then walks away from the scene

Police said he also sprayed a message on the doors of the store.

It sparked questions as to who the man was and his motives.

Violence broke out in the city during the protests and the National Guard were called in after looting was reported and buildings were set on fire.

In pictures: Protest clashes in MinneapolisProtests ‘no longer’ about Floyd death – governor

Police claim that the man’s actions were a catalyst for the violence. The AutoZone store he was seen damaging in the video was later set on fire.

Erika Christensen, Minneapolis police investigator, said in a search warrant affidavit filed on Monday: “This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city.”

The affidavit aims to get access to the man’s mobile phone records for that day to establish where he was at the time of the incident.

Who is Umbrella Man?

He has not been named by local media as he has not been formally charged with a crime.

Minnesota police extensively searched through video footage of the violence to try to identify the man but had no luck.

According to the Star Tribune, the man was identified following an email tip-off. The email claimed the man was a member of the Hells Angels biker gang.

An investigation found that the man was also connected to the Aryan Cowboys, a prison biker / street gang. The Anti-Defamation League identifies them as a white supremacist group based primarily in Kentucky and Minnesota.

A search warrant by Minneapolis Police claims that the man has previous convictions for domestic violence and assault.

It was these previous arrests that officers claim helped them identify the man. They compared images taken from the incident in Minneapolis to previous booking photos.

The warrant claims that the man’s size and eye, nose and brow area match that of Umbrella Man.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498

Good.

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498

Good.

+1

captain_spalding said:

Kathony?

What sort of a name is that?

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Kathony?

What sort of a name is that?

Leave the kid alone, she’s American. Isn’t that enough of a cross to bear?

Three Queensland women charged over alleged false border declarations

I begin to understand…

captain_spalding said:

Nice one.

:)

captain_spalding said:

Three Queensland women charged over alleged false border declarations

!https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12506738-3×2-large.jpg?v=2

I begin to understand…

Aaaaaaaagh!

You utter, utter bastard!

I’ve been trying to un-see those images from earlier in the day. Now that’s the third time.

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Kathony?

What sort of a name is that?

Anthony with a K, like how Darren is Karren with a D.

Are they hookers?

They look like they’re fifty,trying to look 19.

Divine Angel said:

They look like they’re fifty,trying to look 19.

I think they’re trying look like some species of deep sea fish.

Credit where it’s due, at least they cooperated with police so others can be contacted/tested. Not like the third one.

Divine Angel said:

Credit where it’s due, at least they cooperated with police so others can be contacted/tested. Not like the third one.

I understand the third woman is now cooperating.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Credit where it’s due, at least they cooperated with police so others can be contacted/tested. Not like the third one.

I understand the third woman is now cooperating.

I’d like to go on the record straight up that I don’t approve of water boarding but…………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-woman-charged-over-covid-breach-hotel-quarantine/12509354

Silly woman.

My Hobart nephew has been in Melbourne working and was returning to Hobart precipitously to avoid having to pay for his quarantine. In March when he returned he was able to do home quarantine. He and a friend used the friend’s family’s holiday house for two weeks. This time he has to do hotel quarantine I think. I don’t know what has happened with his work, which he moved to Melbourne for in January.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-woman-charged-over-covid-breach-hotel-quarantine/12509354

Silly woman.

My Hobart nephew has been in Melbourne working and was returning to Hobart precipitously to avoid having to pay for his quarantine. In March when he returned he was able to do home quarantine. He and a friend used the friend’s family’s holiday house for two weeks. This time he has to do hotel quarantine I think. I don’t know what has happened with his work, which he moved to Melbourne for in January.

I hope the security guards are cute.

A man in his 50s has died from coronavirus in the regional Victorian town of Portland, after the state recorded Australia’s highest daily death toll at 13.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-queensland-nsw/12505700

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-woman-charged-over-covid-breach-hotel-quarantine/12509354

Silly woman.

My Hobart nephew has been in Melbourne working and was returning to Hobart precipitously to avoid having to pay for his quarantine. In March when he returned he was able to do home quarantine. He and a friend used the friend’s family’s holiday house for two weeks. This time he has to do hotel quarantine I think. I don’t know what has happened with his work, which he moved to Melbourne for in January.

Worse than silly. Stupid, very stupid.

sibeen said:

A man in his 50s has died from coronavirus in the regional Victorian town of Portland, after the state recorded Australia’s highest daily death toll at 13.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-queensland-nsw/12505700

could be worse, could have been disappeared by federal agents in the name of personal liberty

wait

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/border-force-ruby-princess-coronavirus-test-bungle/12505072

LOL

LOL

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/border-force-ruby-princess-coronavirus-test-bungle/12505072

LOL

LOL

Their best chance to be big border-protection heroes, and they screwed the pooch.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/border-force-ruby-princess-coronavirus-test-bungle/12505072

LOL

LOL

Their best chance to be big border-protection heroes, and they screwed the pooch.

Sounds like medical illiteracy. Person in charge of the decision was not sufficiently educate or qualified to make the decision.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/border-force-ruby-princess-coronavirus-test-bungle/12505072

LOL

LOL

Their best chance to be big border-protection heroes, and they screwed the pooch.

Sounds like medical illiteracy. Person in charge of the decision was not sufficiently educate or qualified to make the decision.

Oh, ignorance/stupidity has rarely been a barrier to positions of authority in so many fields, with the notable inclusion of law enforcement.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Their best chance to be big border-protection heroes, and they screwed the pooch.

Sounds like medical illiteracy. Person in charge of the decision was not sufficiently educate or qualified to make the decision.

Oh, ignorance/stupidity has rarely been a barrier to positions of authority in so many fields, with the notable inclusion of law enforcement.

That shows incredible incompetence of a level bordering on an article from The Shovel.

“There is a pandemic, you have fever and flu-like symptoms and your medical test says you don’t have the Flu. OK, you may pass, have a nice day.”

List of Qld suburbs on new restrictions.
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/queensland-covid-19-restricted-areas

Divine Angel said:

List of Qld suburbs on new restrictions.
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/queensland-covid-19-restricted-areas

and they’ll play football regardless.

On those Queensland women again;

“The ABC understands police are examining whether the trio acted on the instructions of crime syndicate handlers in a bid to evade quarantine, including by destroying phones.

The crime syndicate is allegedly involved in the theft and transport of luxury items between capital cities.

The ABC has been told police are investigating the women’s alleged involvement in stealing luxury handbags over two days in Sydney and another two days in Melbourne.

In Melbourne, the women were fined by authorities for breaking COVID-19 rules by organising a party of more than 30 people at their accommodation.”

roughbarked said:

On those Queensland women again;

“The ABC understands police are examining whether the trio acted on the instructions of crime syndicate handlers in a bid to evade quarantine, including by destroying phones.

The crime syndicate is allegedly involved in the theft and transport of luxury items between capital cities.

The ABC has been told police are investigating the women’s alleged involvement in stealing luxury handbags over two days in Sydney and another two days in Melbourne.

In Melbourne, the women were fined by authorities for breaking COVID-19 rules by organising a party of more than 30 people at their accommodation.”

I’d suggest the institution of a blanket charge of ‘wilful arseholery and entitled dickheadedness’, but i fear that it would lead to vast swathes of the population being indicted. And that i might find myself among them.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

On those Queensland women again;

“The ABC understands police are examining whether the trio acted on the instructions of crime syndicate handlers in a bid to evade quarantine, including by destroying phones.

The crime syndicate is allegedly involved in the theft and transport of luxury items between capital cities.

The ABC has been told police are investigating the women’s alleged involvement in stealing luxury handbags over two days in Sydney and another two days in Melbourne.

In Melbourne, the women were fined by authorities for breaking COVID-19 rules by organising a party of more than 30 people at their accommodation.”

I’d suggest the institution of a blanket charge of ‘wilful arseholery and entitled dickheadedness’, but i fear that it would lead to vast swathes of the population being indicted. And that i might find myself among them.

All those conspiracy theorists will be inadvertently right when the government decides that the only way to control the spread is to implant tracking chips into everyone…

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

On those Queensland women again;

“The ABC understands police are examining whether the trio acted on the instructions of crime syndicate handlers in a bid to evade quarantine, including by destroying phones.

The crime syndicate is allegedly involved in the theft and transport of luxury items between capital cities.

The ABC has been told police are investigating the women’s alleged involvement in stealing luxury handbags over two days in Sydney and another two days in Melbourne.

In Melbourne, the women were fined by authorities for breaking COVID-19 rules by organising a party of more than 30 people at their accommodation.”

I’d suggest the institution of a blanket charge of ‘wilful arseholery and entitled dickheadedness’, but i fear that it would lead to vast swathes of the population being indicted. And that i might find myself among them.

Well at least my personal dickheadedness is kept out of most public places.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

List of Qld suburbs on new restrictions.
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/queensland-covid-19-restricted-areas

and they’ll play football regardless.

I don’t know how much football they play in aged care facilities.

I just checked the times for our local COVID19 testing station and came across this:

>>Currently in accordance with the Government directive we are asking people with mild COVID-19 symptoms to be tested. The state-wide asymptomatic (no symptoms) testing blitz has finished.<<

So the population being tested at present is different from a few weeks ago. We are back to testing those with symptoms.

tunes they’re à changing https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/victoria-coronavirus-cases-long-haul-lockdown/12509682

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-scott-morrison-victoria-economy/12509624

Michelle Grattan.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

In one way read, it seems good news.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

In one way read, it seems good news.

love it average productivity increases if we just kill off the expensive and unproductive losers

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

In one way read, it seems good news.

love it average productivity increases if we just kill off the expensive and unproductive losers

‘Shooting the wounded’ has long been a L/NP policy dream.

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

Australia has been in the low 70’s on the Worldometer listing for ages.

Maybe you had it sorted on some other column?

BREAKING: Victoria has recorded 627 new cases, the ABC understands

The ABC understands Victoria has recorded 627 new cases of coronavirus in the past 24 hours.
This follows 723 cases yesterday and 13 deaths.

……………………………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-restrictions/12510468

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

Australia has been in the low 70’s on the Worldometer listing for ages.

Maybe you had it sorted on some other column?

My memory was 69, not 49. But then, unfortunately, my memory is not always reliable.

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

Australia has been in the low 70’s on the Worldometer listing for ages.

Maybe you had it sorted on some other column?

My memory was 69, not 49. But then, unfortunately, my memory is not always reliable.

Mine neither, but on this occasion I’m sure we are both spot on :)

Michael V said:

BREAKING: Victoria has recorded 627 new cases, the ABC understands

The ABC understands Victoria has recorded 627 new cases of coronavirus in the past 24 hours.
This follows 723 cases yesterday and 13 deaths.

……………………………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-restrictions/12510468

remember when 63 cases or 72 cases were shocking and unacceptable

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

I hope that today is the peak and we’ll be down into double digits ‘only’ by the end of next week.

It ought to drop reasonably sharply because it went up reasonably sharply. So biggish numbers will finish their isolation periods at the same time.

maybe but big peaks elsewhere in the world haven’t generally dropped precipitously

Why not? It’s just a 14 day rolling wave.

we don’t know, various reasons we guess, will have to get back to you on that

just no counting on it, so everyone should be taking it seriously

at least unlike the USSA we can solve the reverse zoonosis problem, just let the summer fires kill another 3000000000 animals and no more réservoir this year

Relevant here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/victoria-can-learn-from-singapores-second-wave-of-coronavirus/12502404 “Singapore was recording more than 1,000 coronavirus cases a day in April. Here’s how they got on top of it”

did they really get on top of it

¿ does that look like “on top of it” to any of you ?

Singapore population is about 6000000, so anyone fankidding Singapore should be aware that they’re doing worse than us — lessons from them are not going to generally be “how did they do so well”. Quotes from article.

An initial coronavirus success story, followed by a sudden surge of infections. Victoria’s recent spike in coronavirus cases is eerily similar to Singapore’s. But after months of drastic action, Singapore has managed to reel in its second wave from a daily peak of 1,426 cases to about 300 infections a day.

See those bars hitting (passing) 500 above there? That’s not “300 infections a day”. Note also the gradual decline that isn’t a precipitous drop. Also importantly, see how eerily similar our pattern (below) is to Singapore. It isn’t!

OK that was unfair, Australia isn’t all Victoria.

Totally the same!

The infection tally outside the dorms has now fallen to about 20 cases a day. “The dormitory outbreak is still smouldering on with perhaps 200 cases a day, but we’re working our way through that,” Professor Fisher said. And while Singapore appears to have mostly contained its second outbreak, some workers’ rights advocates say migrants paid the price.

Alex Au, said the men are usually housed 10 or 12 to a room, “sometimes as many as 16 or 20”, and that the quarantine rules mandate they must spend up to 23 hours a day inside. A 28-year-old Bangladeshi man who was still in lockdown said he was sharing a room with 13 other workers and was unable to go outside. He said despite guarantees from the Government that wages would be paid, he had not received his full salary and was worried about repaying debts.

With its second surge now under control, Singapore is taking no chances on the possibility of another spike in infections. The Government has deployed teams of experts to anticipate where potential ‘weak spots’ could lead to a ‘leakage’ of the virus. Aged care homes and prisons are considered high risk zones where coronavirus could flare up again. “The weak spots won’t be those that we already know,” Professor Teo said.

“It’s much better to have a group of people actively identifying which are the possible weak spots than wait for … additional clusters, and that’s when you realise you might be a little bit late.”

We leave it to the reader to consider for themselves whether the picture that is painted is accurate.

The company had tried to force staff back to work earlier in the week through the Fair Work Commission after some decided it was safer to stay home

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/melbourne-laundry-business-shut-down-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak/12510774

That may have been a bit of a public relations failure on the part of the company.

sibeen said:

The company had tried to force staff back to work earlier in the week through the Fair Work Commission after some decided it was safer to stay home

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/melbourne-laundry-business-shut-down-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak/12510774

That may have been a bit of a public relations failure on the part of the company.

That’s what it sounds like so far.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

We seem to have slipped down the table. Australia is now at 71. I think we were 49 yesterday or the day before.

Australia has been in the low 70’s on the Worldometer listing for ages.

Maybe you had it sorted on some other column?

Don’t think so. I just go to the immediate link.

Our Vic premier (Daniel Andrews) is doing his daily briefing, which today includes the fact that 25% of the people who are meant to be in self-quarantine at home following a positive test result, are not found at home when visited.

Nobody in their wildest and darkest and most cynical imaginings could have anticipated that level of non-compliance. Are we going to have to confine people to prisons?

Anyway, I’m very good at shunting out stuff that is no longer relevent. Comes from years of a patient every half an hour…you have to move on and not be thinking about the last one but the one in front of you.