pondered this for a while today, a thought exercise, much as a person can really contemplate such a thing, but probably disengaging from relevancy is nothing new to me

I found some added relief in it, an even more relaxed mental state, but frankly I was very relaxed anyway, out there in the sun, beautiful day it was

i’m a bit circumspect about a desire to be relevant, I wonder where that’d go if it was competitive, competitive relevancy, or even equal relevancy, that seems like a potential disaster, I mean you’d need compete to be equal

perhaps complete absolute irrelevancy is bliss, possibly nobody’s ever reported back about that

anyway the exercise was to see what it might yield, to explore what contemplating irrelevancy might yield, intentional irrelevancy maybe, as a thought experiment

it doesn’t seem immediately likely that feelings of irrelevancy are going to sustain a sense of adequate self, but if you take out any (negative) feelings, a neutral irrelevancy, more indifference, a perhaps happy indifference emerges

so I introduce the idea of instrumental irrelevancy

transition said:

pondered this for a while today, a thought exercise, much as a person can really contemplate such a thing, but probably disengaging from relevancy is nothing new to me

I found some added relief in it, an even more relaxed mental state, but frankly I was very relaxed anyway, out there in the sun, beautiful day it was

i’m a bit circumspect about a desire to be relevant, I wonder where that’d go if it was competitive, competitive relevancy, or even equal relevancy, that seems like a potential disaster, I mean you’d need compete to be equal

perhaps complete absolute irrelevancy is bliss, possibly nobody’s ever reported back about that

anyway the exercise was to see what it might yield, to explore what contemplating irrelevancy might yield, intentional irrelevancy maybe, as a thought experiment

it doesn’t seem immediately likely that feelings of irrelevancy are going to sustain a sense of adequate self, but if you take out any (negative) feelings, a neutral irrelevancy, more indifference, a perhaps happy indifference emerges

so I introduce the idea of instrumental irrelevancy

> I found some added relief in it, an even more relaxed mental state

Separation from reality could do wonders for the psyche. There are two ways to do this. One is by saying “I am irrelevant. Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”. The other is by taking the egocentric (eg. solipsist) route by saying “I am all that matters, reality is irrelevant. Since reality is irrelevant, I can do whatever I want”. Both give freedom from guilt, which results in a more relaxed mental state.

> perhaps complete absolute irrelevancy is bliss, possibly nobody’s ever reported back about that

There’s a word for that. Nirvana. In a more general form, the word is Mysticism.

There are practicing mystics.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

pondered this for a while today, a thought exercise, much as a person can really contemplate such a thing, but probably disengaging from relevancy is nothing new to me

I found some added relief in it, an even more relaxed mental state, but frankly I was very relaxed anyway, out there in the sun, beautiful day it was

i’m a bit circumspect about a desire to be relevant, I wonder where that’d go if it was competitive, competitive relevancy, or even equal relevancy, that seems like a potential disaster, I mean you’d need compete to be equal

perhaps complete absolute irrelevancy is bliss, possibly nobody’s ever reported back about that

anyway the exercise was to see what it might yield, to explore what contemplating irrelevancy might yield, intentional irrelevancy maybe, as a thought experiment

it doesn’t seem immediately likely that feelings of irrelevancy are going to sustain a sense of adequate self, but if you take out any (negative) feelings, a neutral irrelevancy, more indifference, a perhaps happy indifference emerges

so I introduce the idea of instrumental irrelevancy

> I found some added relief in it, an even more relaxed mental state

Separation from reality could do wonders for the psyche. There are two ways to do this. One is by saying “I am irrelevant. Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”. The other is by taking the egocentric (eg. solipsist) route by saying “I am all that matters, reality is irrelevant. Since reality is irrelevant, I can do whatever I want”. Both give freedom from guilt, which results in a more relaxed mental state.

> perhaps complete absolute irrelevancy is bliss, possibly nobody’s ever reported back about that

There’s a word for that. Nirvana. In a more general form, the word is Mysticism.

There are practicing mystics.

and they don’t bother with relevance.

>Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”

the thought exercise is probably a useful mental tool, to abstract to any depth the comparative mechanisms at work (of ego, relevancy, but extends more broadly to behavior objectives perhaps)

i’d guess many people often do mental work regard personal relevancy, related adequacy, calibrations, the executive voice in the head and running internal monologue visit irrelevancy because it’s necessary to consider its opposite, if you will

conjure for a moment the extreme desire, work, a busy mind, hyper-involved with relevancy, personal relevancy, which is probably a pathology of some sort. I’d expect equilibrium normal is not that way

it could be that irrelevancy is a native psychological flipside to relevancy, that the latter can’t be abstracted optimally without the former

so, again, I propose normal ego employs instrumental irrelevancy as a thought tool, and that it need not be a grind, and typically isn’t

>Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”

Call me a pedant if you will, but the first 10 words of that statement appear to be entirely untrue.

The Rev Dodgson said:

>Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”

Call me a pedant if you will, but the first 10 words of that statement appear to be entirely untrue.

you counted those words before the comma, I counted them to check

I think the first ten words, that proposition, makes perfect sense, in context, the second part does too taken loosely, not overly literally, if you allow the contradiction without unnecessary argument

but of thoughts, ones inner world, it passes well, because largely people do avoid having too much effect on reality, so in their heads (imagination) do more, compensate, potentially

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

>Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”

Call me a pedant if you will, but the first 10 words of that statement appear to be entirely untrue.

you counted those words before the comma, I counted them to check

I think the first ten words, that proposition, makes perfect sense, in context, the second part does too taken loosely, not overly literally, if you allow the contradiction without unnecessary argument

but of thoughts, ones inner world, it passes well, because largely people do avoid having too much effect on reality, so in their heads (imagination) do more, compensate, potentially

For instance, if I should choose to jump of a cliff, it would cause something between nasty bruises, through broken bones, to death. All of these are significant effects on reality.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

>Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”

Call me a pedant if you will, but the first 10 words of that statement appear to be entirely untrue.

you counted those words before the comma, I counted them to check

I think the first ten words, that proposition, makes perfect sense, in context, the second part does too taken loosely, not overly literally, if you allow the contradiction without unnecessary argument

but of thoughts, ones inner world, it passes well, because largely people do avoid having too much effect on reality, so in their heads (imagination) do more, compensate, potentially

For instance, if I should choose to jump of a cliff, it would cause something between nasty bruises, through broken bones, to death. All of these are significant effects on reality.

You will feel a release if you accept that we are all just people in Moll’s head.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

>Since nothing I do has a significant effect on reality, I can do whatever I want”

Call me a pedant if you will, but the first 10 words of that statement appear to be entirely untrue.

you counted those words before the comma, I counted them to check

I think the first ten words, that proposition, makes perfect sense, in context, the second part does too taken loosely, not overly literally, if you allow the contradiction without unnecessary argument

but of thoughts, ones inner world, it passes well, because largely people do avoid having too much effect on reality, so in their heads (imagination) do more, compensate, potentially

For instance, if I should choose to jump of a cliff, it would cause something between nasty bruises, through broken bones, to death. All of these are significant effects on reality.

closer to reality is that you don’t do most things you could do (speaking of what you outwardly physically do for a moment), they’re excluded by what you do, like you’re here involved in a low risk activity, making sure you don’t fall off cliffs, real cliffs, or take it as a metaphor for bad things that could happen. The structure of thoughts displace other (possible) thoughts too

anyway I reckon moll may have missed the point of visiting irrelevance, intentionally exploring irrelevance, and instrumental irrelevance, that it could be part of the normal mental toolbox

consider the mind as having a native shrink. People work with relevance/irrelevance all the time sorting stuff, which extends to ego also