There…does that help?

buffy said:

There…does that help?

every ittle bit counts I guess.

buffy said:

There…does that help?

Thanks buffy.

I almost replied to pwm in the other thread.

Goodness knows what might happen if you do that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

There…does that help?

Thanks buffy.

I almost replied to pwm in the other thread.

Goodness knows what might happen if you do that.

He’d just have to detonate any relatives who have not yet suffered that fate.

:)

Statistics ‘just absolute c—p’: doubts cast on Russian coronavirus numbers

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/statistics-just-absolute-c-p-doubts-cast-on-russian-coronavirus-numbers-20200804-p55i9e.html

“Authorities trace passengers after outbreak on cruise ship

At least 40 passengers and crew from a luxury cruise liner have tested positive for COVID-19, with local authorities still trying to trace a number of passengers from two recent Arctic voyages.

According to public health officials in Norway, four crew members on the MS Roald Amundsen were hospitalised with coronavirus after the ship arrived at the port of Tromsoe on Friday.

Subsequent tests showed another 32 of the 158 staff were also infected.

While the crew was quarantined on the ship, the 178 arriving passengers were allowed to disembark before anyone was diagnosed,

It triggered a complex operation to locate them in order to contain any potential spread, infuriating Gunnar Wilhelmsen, the Mayor of Tromso.”

………………………………………………………………………………..

Why would anybody would get on a cruise ship, given what’s happened this year?

………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-03/coronavirus-update-australia-covid19-da-nang-japan-cases/12516980

quote=Bubblecar

\quote

I have my own graph of this, I’ll just dig it up. Obviously, I ignore countries with hardly any cases.

List of countries on the above chart.

It would be interesting to plot mortality rate against date of first death.

The fact that all but one of the highest numbers are from W Europe suggests that it is not just a matter of how the countries responded to the virus.

dv said:

The whole tipping thing is bunk too.

party_pants said:

dv said:

The whole tipping thing is bunk too.

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

Arts said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

The whole tipping thing is bunk too.

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

I wonder what will happen to tipping if the Dem’s policy of a $15 USD minimum wage is enacted.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

The whole tipping thing is bunk too.

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

Yeah, that’s what I mean. Just pay people a fair and reasonable wage for fair and reasonable service. So they don’t have to grovel for tips.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

The whole tipping thing is bunk too.

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

I got two words for that: learn to f##kin’ type, ‘cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent you’re in for a big f##kin’ surprise…

furious said:

Arts said:

party_pants said:

The whole tipping thing is bunk too.

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

I got two words for that: learn to f##kin’ type, ‘cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent you’re in for a big f##kin’ surprise…

it may be my thesis addled brain but I don’t understand what your point is.

Arts said:

furious said:

Arts said:

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

I got two words for that: learn to f##kin’ type, ‘cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent you’re in for a big f##kin’ surprise…

it may be my thesis addled brain but I don’t understand what your point is.

IWA.

“Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says penalties will be increased for those who breach self-isolation directions after it was found 800 of around 3,000 people who should be self-isolating were not at home. (ABC News)”
……………………………………………………….

Hey-Zeuss! WTF is wrong with people? Roughly one quarter! That’s a ridiculous level of non-compliance.
……………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-stage-four/12519710

furious said:

Arts said:

party_pants said:

The whole tipping thing is bunk too.

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

I got two words for that: learn to f##kin’ type, ‘cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent you’re in for a big f##kin’ surprise…

Huh?

mollwollfumble said:

quote=Bubblecar

\quote

I have my own graph of this, I’ll just dig it up. Obviously, I ignore countries with hardly any cases.

List of countries on the above chart.

knew it, obviously CHINA were lying, their numbers are too perfect, too close to the middle of the range

Michael V said:

“Authorities trace passengers after outbreak on cruise ship

At least 40 passengers and crew from a luxury cruise liner have tested positive for COVID-19, with local authorities still trying to trace a number of passengers from two recent Arctic voyages.

According to public health officials in Norway, four crew members on the MS Roald Amundsen were hospitalised with coronavirus after the ship arrived at the port of Tromsoe on Friday.

Subsequent tests showed another 32 of the 158 staff were also infected.

While the crew was quarantined on the ship, the 178 arriving passengers were allowed to disembark before anyone was diagnosed,

It triggered a complex operation to locate them in order to contain any potential spread, infuriating Gunnar Wilhelmsen, the Mayor of Tromso.”

………………………………………………………………………………..

Why would anybody would get on a cruise ship, given what’s happened this year?

………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-03/coronavirus-update-australia-covid19-da-nang-japan-cases/12516980

they also drive 300 km from Melbourne to the NSW border for fresh air

Michael V said:

after it was found 800 of around 3,000 people who should be self-isolating were not at home. (ABC News)”

They mighta just nicked out for a quick smoke or sumfin’.

Michael V said:

furious said:

Arts said:

well, it should be.. but then wages should be also at a standard where relying on tips isn’t essential..

I got two words for that: learn to f##kin’ type, ‘cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent you’re in for a big f##kin’ surprise…

Huh?

I believe it was a suggestion that if you are concerned that your job doesn’t pay enough then perhaps you should learn a new skill that will enable you to get a better paying position…

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

I got two words for that: learn to f##kin’ type, ‘cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent you’re in for a big f##kin’ surprise…

Huh?

I believe it was a suggestion that if you are concerned that your job doesn’t pay enough then perhaps you should learn a new skill that will enable you to get a better paying position…

how do you pay for the education

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

Michael V said:

Huh?

I believe it was a suggestion that if you are concerned that your job doesn’t pay enough then perhaps you should learn a new skill that will enable you to get a better paying position…

how do you pay for the education

Learn to Type | Free Typing Tutor – Typing.com

You’re welcome…

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

after it was found 800 of around 3,000 people who should be self-isolating were not at home. (ABC News)”

They mighta just nicked out for a quick smoke or sumfin’.

Yeah, that’d be it.

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

I believe it was a suggestion that if you are concerned that your job doesn’t pay enough then perhaps you should learn a new skill that will enable you to get a better paying position…

how do you pay for the education

Learn to Type | Free Typing Tutor – Typing.com

You’re welcome…

does it work if we can’t afford a computer because the tips were barely enough to buy masks with

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

how do you pay for the education

Learn to Type | Free Typing Tutor – Typing.com

You’re welcome…

does it work if we can’t afford a computer because the tips were barely enough to buy masks with

You want me to solve all your problems? Sheesh, I don’t know, go to the library…

Witty Rejoinder said:

Statistics ‘just absolute c—p’: doubts cast on Russian coronavirus numbers

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/statistics-just-absolute-c-p-doubts-cast-on-russian-coronavirus-numbers-20200804-p55i9e.html

LOL c’m‘on, we’ve discussed this before, take a look at Australia’s LIES (Legit’ Infectious Epidemic Statistics)

or somewhere else we Totally Trust like Singapore

and West Taiwan, LIES as always

obviously these other places are telling the TRUTH, they’re showing us what the numbers should look like

Turkey

Iran

Russia

beautiful . believable . bullshit

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Statistics ‘just absolute c—p’: doubts cast on Russian coronavirus numbers

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/statistics-just-absolute-c-p-doubts-cast-on-russian-coronavirus-numbers-20200804-p55i9e.html

LOL c’m‘on, we’ve discussed this before, take a look at Australia’s LIES (Legit’ Infectious Epidemic Statistics)

or somewhere else we Totally Trust like Singapore

and West Taiwan, LIES as always

obviously these other places are telling the TRUTH, they’re showing us what the numbers should look like

Turkey

Iran

Russia

beautiful . believable . bullshit

I don’t know what you’re trying to say…

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Statistics ‘just absolute c—p’: doubts cast on Russian coronavirus numbers

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/statistics-just-absolute-c-p-doubts-cast-on-russian-coronavirus-numbers-20200804-p55i9e.html

LOL c’m‘on, we’ve discussed this before, take a look at Australia’s LIES (Legit’ Infectious Epidemic Statistics)

or somewhere else we Totally Trust like Singapore

and West Taiwan, LIES as always

obviously these other places are telling the TRUTH, they’re showing us what the numbers should look like

Turkey

Iran

Russia

beautiful . believable . bullshit

I don’t know what you’re trying to say…

I think the message is that a smooth line with little day to day variation is suspicious.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Statistics ‘just absolute c—p’: doubts cast on Russian coronavirus numbers

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/statistics-just-absolute-c-p-doubts-cast-on-russian-coronavirus-numbers-20200804-p55i9e.html

LOL c’m‘on, we’ve discussed this before, take a look at Australia’s LIES (Legit’ Infectious Epidemic Statistics)

or somewhere else we Totally Trust like Singapore

and West Taiwan, LIES as always

obviously these other places are telling the TRUTH, they’re showing us what the numbers should look like

Turkey

Iran

Russia

beautiful . believable . bullshit

I don’t know what you’re trying to say…

The day to day variation in some of these is statistically unlikely. To my mind the Turkey numbers are a real problem.

Not good, we need stronger laws to deal with these people.

Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged with attacking police officer over mask

A growing group of anti-maskers have been “baiting” and antagonising Victorian police

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not good, we need stronger laws to deal with these people.

Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged with attacking police officer over mask

A growing group of anti-maskers have been “baiting” and antagonising Victorian police

I hope the magistrate refuses bail. Some people simply can’t be trusted to go outside without adult supervision.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not good, we need stronger laws to deal with these people.

Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged with attacking police officer over mask

A growing group of anti-maskers have been “baiting” and antagonising Victorian police

I hope the magistrate refuses bail. Some people simply can’t be trusted to go outside without adult supervision.

She was released after charging due to not having any priors.

And we just got a steeper penalty curve, with $5,000 on the spot and $20,000 for wilful or repeated not being at home following a positive test.

Have we all heard about this?

In Iran, government data suggests the country’s coronavirus death toll may be three times higher than officially acknowledged.

Figures leaked to the BBC Persian service show almost forty-two thousand people died with COVID-19 symptoms up until July 20.

ABC Article

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not good, we need stronger laws to deal with these people.

Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged with attacking police officer over mask

A growing group of anti-maskers have been “baiting” and antagonising Victorian police

I hope the magistrate refuses bail. Some people simply can’t be trusted to go outside without adult supervision.

She was released after charging due to not having any priors.

And we just got a steeper penalty curve, with $5,000 on the spot and $20,000 for wilful or repeated not being at home following a positive test.

That’s a shame. Assaulting a police officer is a serious matter. Priors or no priors.

Rule 303 said:

Have we all heard about this?

In Iran, government data suggests the country’s coronavirus death toll may be three times higher than officially acknowledged.

Figures leaked to the BBC Persian service show almost forty-two thousand people died with COVID-19 symptoms up until July 20.

ABC Article

It is no surprise, when we can’t even trust some western democratic nations to accurately report their numbers.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Have we all heard about this?

In Iran, government data suggests the country’s coronavirus death toll may be three times higher than officially acknowledged.

Figures leaked to the BBC Persian service show almost forty-two thousand people died with COVID-19 symptoms up until July 20.

ABC Article

It is no surprise, when we can’t even trust some western democratic nations to accurately report their numbers.

EFA.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not good, we need stronger laws to deal with these people.

Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged with attacking police officer over mask

A growing group of anti-maskers have been “baiting” and antagonising Victorian police

Yeah, that’s terrible.

The woman that bashed that young female copper and her male work partner was 38 years old.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not good, we need stronger laws to deal with these people.

Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged with attacking police officer over mask

A growing group of anti-maskers have been “baiting” and antagonising Victorian police

I hope the magistrate refuses bail. Some people simply can’t be trusted to go outside without adult supervision.

She was given bail. No previous convictions…

I’ve just come back from the beach. While waiting for the foot-washing tap, I overheard people exchanging complete nonsense COVID-19 conspiracy theories.

I couldn’t believe it.

12 NSW cars seen.

6 Victorian cars seen.

Michael V said:

I’ve just come back from the beach. While waiting for the foot-washing tap, I overheard people exchanging complete nonsense COVID-19 conspiracy theories.

I couldn’t believe it.

12 NSW cars seen.

6 Victorian cars seen.

I went for a haircut and the Covid topic came up. Before I could get on the hobby horse the young lady cutting my hair climbed up first and proclaimed the wisdom of maintaining our closed borders and then denounced Clive Palmer.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I’ve just come back from the beach. While waiting for the foot-washing tap, I overheard people exchanging complete nonsense COVID-19 conspiracy theories.

I couldn’t believe it.

12 NSW cars seen.

6 Victorian cars seen.

I went for a haircut and the Covid topic came up. Before I could get on the hobby horse the young lady cutting my hair climbed up first and proclaimed the wisdom of maintaining our closed borders and then denounced Clive Palmer.

Nice!

:)

I realise this is just a simple projection, but nonetheless interesting:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-stage-four/12519710

Michael V said:

I’ve just come back from the beach. While waiting for the foot-washing tap, I overheard people exchanging complete nonsense COVID-19 conspiracy theories.

I couldn’t believe it.

12 NSW cars seen.

6 Victorian cars seen.

I haven’t seen any non-Qld plates, but I did hear school mums (the group I call The Cats because they’re so catty) talking about COVID conspiracies.

Err .. I dont think out of state plates are necessarily indicative of origin of the vehicles occupants.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I’ve just come back from the beach. While waiting for the foot-washing tap, I overheard people exchanging complete nonsense COVID-19 conspiracy theories.

I couldn’t believe it.

12 NSW cars seen.

6 Victorian cars seen.

I went for a haircut and the Covid topic came up. Before I could get on the hobby horse the young lady cutting my hair climbed up first and proclaimed the wisdom of maintaining our closed borders and then denounced Clive Palmer.

You hear a lot of Tasmanians expressing relief that our drawbridge is still raised.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I’ve just come back from the beach. While waiting for the foot-washing tap, I overheard people exchanging complete nonsense COVID-19 conspiracy theories.

I couldn’t believe it.

12 NSW cars seen.

6 Victorian cars seen.

I went for a haircut and the Covid topic came up. Before I could get on the hobby horse the young lady cutting my hair climbed up first and proclaimed the wisdom of maintaining our closed borders and then denounced Clive Palmer.

You hear a lot of Tasmanians expressing relief that our drawbridge is still raised.

actually I don’t :)

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I went for a haircut and the Covid topic came up. Before I could get on the hobby horse the young lady cutting my hair climbed up first and proclaimed the wisdom of maintaining our closed borders and then denounced Clive Palmer.

You hear a lot of Tasmanians expressing relief that our drawbridge is still raised.

actually I don’t :)

You would if you were a fly on the island wall.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I went for a haircut and the Covid topic came up. Before I could get on the hobby horse the young lady cutting my hair climbed up first and proclaimed the wisdom of maintaining our closed borders and then denounced Clive Palmer.

You hear a lot of Tasmanians expressing relief that our drawbridge is still raised.

actually I don’t :)

I do.

gaghalfrunt said:

Err .. I dont think out of state plates are necessarily indicative of origin of the vehicles occupants.

True enough. Doesn’t stop me being concerned, though.

Tempting anti-maskers to wear masks by printing anti-mask messages on them:

What to do with anti-maskers? Punishment has its place, but can also entrench resistance

https://theconversation.com/what-to-do-with-anti-maskers-punishment-has-its-place-but-can-also-entrench-resistance-143456

A better version of that graph below

Original paper here with an even better version, including error bars etc:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7013143/Saul-mja20-01380-4-August-2020-0.pdf

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL c’m‘on, we’ve discussed this before, take a look at Australia’s LIES (Legit’ Infectious Epidemic Statistics)

or somewhere else we Totally Trust like Singapore

and West Taiwan, LIES as always

obviously these other places are telling the TRUTH, they’re showing us what the numbers should look like

Turkey

Iran

Russia

beautiful . believable . bullshit

I don’t know what you’re trying to say…

I think the message is that a smooth line with little day to day variation is suspicious.

Who could have imagined that MZL’s point could be enunciated so succinctly and concisely. ;-)

Bubblecar said:

Tempting anti-maskers to wear masks by printing anti-mask messages on them:

What to do with anti-maskers? Punishment has its place, but can also entrench resistance

https://theconversation.com/what-to-do-with-anti-maskers-punishment-has-its-place-but-can-also-entrench-resistance-143456

marginals gripped by the force of siege, they often invite (actively generate) a situation of siege to prove it’s real, features big on the tube, not monopolized by any of a particular political inclination, evident on both sides. Add the force of variously libertarian philosophy, or ideology

partly learned from TV and media more broadly, the news takes you to the action, for example, and media has a strange (if examined) relationship with normalizing and abnormalizing, occupies quite a bit of territory amongst that good work

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Tempting anti-maskers to wear masks by printing anti-mask messages on them:

What to do with anti-maskers? Punishment has its place, but can also entrench resistance

https://theconversation.com/what-to-do-with-anti-maskers-punishment-has-its-place-but-can-also-entrench-resistance-143456

marginals gripped by the force of siege, they often invite (actively generate) a situation of siege to prove it’s real, features big on the tube, not monopolized by any of a particular political inclination, evident on both sides. Add the force of variously libertarian philosophy, or ideology

partly learned from TV and media more broadly, the news takes you to the action, for example, and media has a strange (if examined) relationship with normalizing and abnormalizing, occupies quite a bit of territory amongst that good work

yeah, it’s like saying wearing masks increases the risk of transmission, you could stretch the plausible to cover it

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t know what you’re trying to say…

I think the message is that a smooth line with little day to day variation is suspicious.

Who could have imagined that MZL’s point could be enunciated so succinctly and concisely. ;-)

imagine evidence and examples

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I’ve just come back from the beach. While waiting for the foot-washing tap, I overheard people exchanging complete nonsense COVID-19 conspiracy theories.

I couldn’t believe it.

12 NSW cars seen.

6 Victorian cars seen.

I went for a haircut and the Covid topic came up. Before I could get on the hobby horse the young lady cutting my hair climbed up first and proclaimed the wisdom of maintaining our closed borders and then denounced Clive Palmer.

Nice!

:)

good

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think the message is that a smooth line with little day to day variation is suspicious.

Who could have imagined that MZL’s point could be enunciated so succinctly and concisely. ;-)

imagine evidence and examples

If it was a one off i’d let it pass but you’re got form for useless hypobole and waffle.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Who could have imagined that MZL’s point could be enunciated so succinctly and concisely. ;-)

imagine evidence and examples

If it was a one off i’d let it pass but you’re got form for useless hypobole and waffle.

oh so you’d prefer form rather than evidence and examples, well you’ve contributed the right pace, please join in

Michael V said:

A better version of that graph below

Original paper here with an even better version, including error bars etc:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7013143/Saul-mja20-01380-4-August-2020-0.pdf

interesting that they paint it as success, “saved 20000 lives (cases)”, and success, “sacrificed 2000 lives (cases)”

presumably this is the calculus they’re looking for, it would have been too hard to prevent those 2000, we needed them to show that restrictions 1234 were necessary to prevent 20000

but if we applied restrictions 1234 earlier, at 200, and prevented 2000, then it would have been unacceptable

it’s the same 1234…

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not good, we need stronger laws to deal with these people.

Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged with attacking police officer over mask

A growing group of anti-maskers have been “baiting” and antagonising Victorian police

I hope the magistrate refuses bail. Some people simply can’t be trusted to go outside without adult supervision.

She was given bail. No previous convictions…

they said we needed 60% COVIDSafe downloads for effective tracing
they said we needed 70% flock immunity for some kind of control
they said this and that

but the modelling, did it account for the fuckwits who are actually going out of their way to make this disaster worse
did they just assume the other 40%, 30%, whatever% were going to carry on with business as usual

you think you need 95% vaccine coverage to be safe from possiblepox, but actually to be safe from the idiots you actually need 99% or more

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Have we all heard about this?

In Iran, government data suggests the country’s coronavirus death toll may be three times higher than officially acknowledged.

Figures leaked to the BBC Persian service show almost forty-two thousand people died with COVID-19 symptoms up until July 20.

ABC Article

It is no surprise, when we can’t even trust some western democratic nations to accurately report their numbers.

EFA.

ah the DPRNA

anyway and indeed, we think Whitty Rejoindher did make a reference to one of these

Iran

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I hope the magistrate refuses bail. Some people simply can’t be trusted to go outside without adult supervision.

She was given bail. No previous convictions…

they said we needed 60% COVIDSafe downloads for effective tracing
they said we needed 70% flock immunity for some kind of control
they said this and that

but the modelling, did it account for the fuckwits who are actually going out of their way to make this disaster worse
did they just assume the other 40%, 30%, whatever% were going to carry on with business as usual

you think you need 95% vaccine coverage to be safe from possiblepox, but actually to be safe from the idiots you actually need 99% or more

I’m pondering. I’m starting to think that some adults deserve to be formally stripped of their adulthood and made to live under supervision. Build a whole new town somewhere and make those people live there. Call it a prison town if you like. It would be like any other town, people would live and work there and go shopping and all that, but they would be walled in and not allowed to leave. Not until they had shown themselves to be mature and responsible enough to rejoin society.

>>I went for a haircut

Sibeen’s not going to have a haircut for SIX WEEKS.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

She was given bail. No previous convictions…

they said we needed 60% COVIDSafe downloads for effective tracing
they said we needed 70% flock immunity for some kind of control
they said this and that

but the modelling, did it account for the fuckwits who are actually going out of their way to make this disaster worse
did they just assume the other 40%, 30%, whatever% were going to carry on with business as usual

you think you need 95% vaccine coverage to be safe from possiblepox, but actually to be safe from the idiots you actually need 99% or more

I’m pondering. I’m starting to think that some adults deserve to be formally stripped of their adulthood and made to live under supervision. Build a whole new town somewhere and make those people live there. Call it a prison town if you like. It would be like any other town, people would live and work there and go shopping and all that, but they would be walled in and not allowed to leave. Not until they had shown themselves to be mature and responsible enough to rejoin society.

We had a thought on the example of sovereign citizens; would it be feasible to strip them of citizenship and treat them as the “illegal immigrants”* we so despise ¿

*: yes we’re aware that a typical cohort labelled as such in recent history, are in fact people in need who are seeking a better life and to potentially contribute to their adoptive societies

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I hope the magistrate refuses bail. Some people simply can’t be trusted to go outside without adult supervision.

She was given bail. No previous convictions…

they said we needed 60% COVIDSafe downloads for effective tracing
they said we needed 70% flock immunity for some kind of control
they said this and that

but the modelling, did it account for the fuckwits who are actually going out of their way to make this disaster worse
did they just assume the other 40%, 30%, whatever% were going to carry on with business as usual

you think you need 95% vaccine coverage to be safe from possiblepox, but actually to be safe from the idiots you actually need 99% or more

By definition, half the population has below average intelligence.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

She was given bail. No previous convictions…

they said we needed 60% COVIDSafe downloads for effective tracing
they said we needed 70% flock immunity for some kind of control
they said this and that

but the modelling, did it account for the fuckwits who are actually going out of their way to make this disaster worse
did they just assume the other 40%, 30%, whatever% were going to carry on with business as usual

you think you need 95% vaccine coverage to be safe from possiblepox, but actually to be safe from the idiots you actually need 99% or more

By definition, half the population has below average intelligence.

Well, 0.01% vaccine coverage would be a darn good start !

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

She was given bail. No previous convictions…

they said we needed 60% COVIDSafe downloads for effective tracing
they said we needed 70% flock immunity for some kind of control
they said this and that

but the modelling, did it account for the fuckwits who are actually going out of their way to make this disaster worse
did they just assume the other 40%, 30%, whatever% were going to carry on with business as usual

you think you need 95% vaccine coverage to be safe from possiblepox, but actually to be safe from the idiots you actually need 99% or more

By definition, half the population has below average intelligence.

It is not a question of intelligence IMHO. It is a question of social skills and empathy. Or lack thereof.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

they said we needed 60% COVIDSafe downloads for effective tracing
they said we needed 70% flock immunity for some kind of control
they said this and that

but the modelling, did it account for the fuckwits who are actually going out of their way to make this disaster worse
did they just assume the other 40%, 30%, whatever% were going to carry on with business as usual

you think you need 95% vaccine coverage to be safe from possiblepox, but actually to be safe from the idiots you actually need 99% or more

By definition, half the population has below average intelligence.

It is not a question of intelligence IMHO. It is a question of social skills and empathy. Or lack thereof.

It’s also a matter of being sufficiently well educated to understand which sources are the most authoritative, and which are humbug.

Unfortunately lots of people who go through a fairly standard Western education still fail to acquire that basic skill.

The internet age has made that abundantly clear, but it’s not clear what can be done about it.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

By definition, half the population has below average intelligence.

It is not a question of intelligence IMHO. It is a question of social skills and empathy. Or lack thereof.

It’s also a matter of being sufficiently well educated to understand which sources are the most authoritative, and which are humbug.

Unfortunately lots of people who go through a fairly standard Western education still fail to acquire that basic skill.

The internet age has made that abundantly clear, but it’s not clear what can be done about it.

part of what they call Critical Thinking but the studies we did on it didn’t really identify many effective strategies to improve it, at least not for over 15 year olds

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

By definition, half the population has below average intelligence.

It is not a question of intelligence IMHO. It is a question of social skills and empathy. Or lack thereof.

It’s also a matter of being sufficiently well educated to understand which sources are the most authoritative, and which are humbug.

Unfortunately lots of people who go through a fairly standard Western education still fail to acquire that basic skill.

The internet age has made that abundantly clear, but it’s not clear what can be done about it.

i wonder how we reform that…?

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

By definition, half the population has below average intelligence.

It is not a question of intelligence IMHO. It is a question of social skills and empathy. Or lack thereof.

It’s also a matter of being sufficiently well educated to understand which sources are the most authoritative, and which are humbug.

Unfortunately lots of people who go through a fairly standard Western education still fail to acquire that basic skill.

The internet age has made that abundantly clear, but it’s not clear what can be done about it.

It’s made it clear that understanding English in an English speaking country is important.
But that is just one thing of many that can be examined in the washup, right now we need to address the issues at hand and turn our minds away from the what ifs or finger pointing, it’s all hands to the pumps and the courtmartials and hangings can wait till we’re on dry land.

Police say there’s a trend of people calling themselves “sovereign citizens” who refuse to comply with rules

“sovereign idiots”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/coronavirus-contact-tracing-fail-as-system-overwhelmed/12521160

You know, people who get a positive test could, perhaps, have a think about where they have been and let people know? I know this has happened in local kids sports clubs in rural areas. One member of a team got a positive, so their team and the team they had played were notified. I don’t know at what level it was done, but I got the distinct impression that it was the team with the positive player who let the others know.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Police say there’s a trend of people calling themselves “sovereign citizens” who refuse to comply with rules

“sovereign idiots”

Let’s do a straight swap with Nauru… or Scotland.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Police say there’s a trend of people calling themselves “sovereign citizens” who refuse to comply with rules

“sovereign idiots”

Let’s do a straight swap with Nauru… or Scotland.

I think they could all move to Hutt River Province. (Is it still there?)

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

It is not a question of intelligence IMHO. It is a question of social skills and empathy. Or lack thereof.

It’s also a matter of being sufficiently well educated to understand which sources are the most authoritative, and which are humbug.

Unfortunately lots of people who go through a fairly standard Western education still fail to acquire that basic skill.

The internet age has made that abundantly clear, but it’s not clear what can be done about it.

i wonder how we reform that…?

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/coronavirus-contact-tracing-fail-as-system-overwhelmed/12521160

You know, people who get a positive test could, perhaps, have a think about where they have been and let people know? I know this has happened in local kids sports clubs in rural areas. One member of a team got a positive, so their team and the team they had played were notified. I don’t know at what level it was done, but I got the distinct impression that it was the team with the positive player who let the others know.

LOL

imagine going to the effort of letting people know

imagine people even covering their faces when they cough or sneezr

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/coronavirus-contact-tracing-fail-as-system-overwhelmed/12521160

You know, people who get a positive test could, perhaps, have a think about where they have been and let people know? I know this has happened in local kids sports clubs in rural areas. One member of a team got a positive, so their team and the team they had played were notified. I don’t know at what level it was done, but I got the distinct impression that it was the team with the positive player who let the others know.

LOL

imagine going to the effort of letting people know

imagine people even covering their faces when they cough or sneezr

sneezr, pardon us

anyway, who should they be letting know ¿

if it’s the health authorities, aren’t they the ones that are overwhelmed, in which case generating more traffic might increase the DDoS effect ¿¿

surely the correct solution when community transmission is rife, and tracing is overwhelmed, is to shut unnecessary back and forth down, everyone try to stay where they are, and let the pressure come down before proceeding with all the fun and games ¿¿¿

fortunately, that’s starting to happen … right ?

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Police say there’s a trend of people calling themselves “sovereign citizens” who refuse to comply with rules

“sovereign idiots”

Let’s do a straight swap with Nauru… or Scotland.

I think they could all move to Hutt River Province. (Is it still there?)

Probably not big enough, it is only one madman’s farm.

Bubblecar said:

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

SCIENCE said:

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Apparently Diplomatic Immunity Doesn’t Prevent Coronavirus Infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/coronavirus-queensland-ban-consular-quarantine-exemptions/12522068

Diplomatic and consular staff returning to Queensland from overseas will be banned from skipping hotel quarantine, after a Government contractor tested positive for coronavirus. The man in his 20s returned to Queensland from Afghanistan last week on a commercial flight via Sydney, but was given an exemption to quarantine at his home in Toowoomba. He has since tested positive to coronavirus, sparking a public health alert for his Sydney to Sunshine Coast flight.

Imagine sending Payne and Reynolds to one of the worst COVID-19-fucked shithole countries on the planet, and having them come back with souvenirs!

I thought Payne’s put down of Pompeo didn’t get the kudos it deserved.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

We Call Ourselves SCIENCE, And We Apologise

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

We Call Ourselves SCIENCE, And We Apologise

I assume you don’t teach “critical thinking” at Australian Christian College :)

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

We Call Ourselves SCIENCE, And We Apologise

That’s a lot of code for such a pretty effect.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

How does the Australian Christian College apply critical thinking to the existence of God in that God cannot be proved or disproved or scientifically validated yet still exists in peoples imaginations ?

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

We Call Ourselves SCIENCE, And We Apologise

I assume you don’t teach “critical thinking” at Australian Christian College :)

True. The work we did involved stuff like the California Critical Thinking Skills Test. Presumably we’re not meant to post content from it publicly but their host does have a frequently updated summary.

https://www.insightassessment.com/wp-content/uploads/ia/pdf/whatwhy.pdf

(Disclaimer: we are not endorsing the product, merely offering it for review. Some may consider it as fluffy as we are.)

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

It is so hard to portray irony on screen.

We Call Ourselves SCIENCE, And We Apologise

That’s a lot of code for such a pretty effect.

Open to suggestions on alternatives for the portrayal of course.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

How does the Australian Christian College apply critical thinking to the existence of God in that God cannot be proved or disproved or scientifically validated yet still exists in peoples imaginations ?

Do they involve ethics and logic in critical thinking, if so, then what of the ethics of a group of people deceiving others about the existence of God and getting away with it?

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

We Call Ourselves SCIENCE, And We Apologise

That’s a lot of code for such a pretty effect.

Open to suggestions on alternatives for the portrayal of course.

There’s a bit of code red in there.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

We Call Ourselves SCIENCE, And We Apologise

That’s a lot of code for such a pretty effect.

Open to suggestions on alternatives for the portrayal of course.

Can you do something fancy with text size in pixels ?

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

quote=Bubblecar

\quote

I have my own graph of this, I’ll just dig it up. Obviously, I ignore countries with hardly any cases.

List of countries on the above chart.

knew it, obviously CHINA were lying, their numbers are too perfect, too close to the middle of the range

You’ve got to be kidding. China’s one of few countries with a large active effective secret police force. You can’t get more honest and reliable than that.

Coronavirus outbreaks recorded on two cruise ships weeks after cruising restarts

Again….

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

That’s a lot of code for such a pretty effect.

Open to suggestions on alternatives for the portrayal of course.

There’s a bit of code red in there.

I think SCIENCE ordered that code red.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s partly a matter of recognising that it’s a serious problem that needs to be addressed as a matter or priority, but even that stage of the process can fail for various reasons.

Here’s an indication of one of them:

>Critical thinking: an essential skill for every student

What parent doesn’t want their child to learn skills for wise decision-making and problem solving? The importance of critical thinking is more obvious than ever in a world where fake news, scams and hoaxes are part of everyday life.

Here at Australian Christian College, we are committed to teaching our young people skills for thinking deeply about issues they will encounter in their relationships, work and culture. Most importantly, we want those skills to be rooted in the truths of the Bible – God’s foundation for critical thinking.<

https://www.acc.edu.au/blog/critical-thinking-essential-skill/

(The point I’m making there is that when the “teaching of critical thinking” can be entrusted to people who are themselves incapable of recognising rational thought, let alone practising it, it’s clear that the problem is institutionally entrenched to some degree).

How does the Australian Christian College apply critical thinking to the existence of God in that God cannot be proved or disproved or scientifically validated yet still exists in peoples imaginations ?

Exactly. I think that is the point Mr Car is trying to make here.

Rule 303 said:

Seems to be a lot of wasted electricity there.

See the bloke who owns Jim’s Mowing is urging his franchisees to keep working and promises to pay any fines.

I hope the moron sees a real severe backlash over this.

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Seems to be a lot of wasted electricity there.

Yeah, but you know what it’s like. As soon as you turn them off one of the bloody kids comes and turns them back on again.

“Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos has refused to answer a series of questions during a heated parliamentary question time which was held against health advice.
Victoria’s Upper House sat in defiance of advice from the Chief Health Officer that it was not safe to do so during the pandemic.
The Labor-dominated Lower House heeded the advice and did not meet as scheduled.”

And yet Albo is screaming for the federal parliament to sit, umm.

The mayor of Gold Coast wants to cancel Schoolies this year, saying school leavers can party on Zoom.

I’m sure that’s a very popular alternative.

Divine Angel said:

The mayor of Gold Coast wants to cancel Schoolies this year, saying school leavers can party on Zoom.

I’m sure that’s a very popular alternative.

I agree with the first bit but not the second. Zoom parties are a bit lame. I’ve did one back in April.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine evidence and examples

If it was a one off i’d let it pass but you’re got form for useless hypobole and waffle.

oh so you’d prefer form rather than evidence and examples, well you’ve contributed the right pace, please join in

Look i get that you like to be considered the forum eccentric but besides a few ardent fans i fear your posting style is tolerated at best. Besides it’s not the evidence that i have issue with. If you can’t post accompanying commentary it more often than not gets lost in the word salad.

Peak Warming Man said:

“Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos has refused to answer a series of questions during a heated parliamentary question time which was held against health advice.
Victoria’s Upper House sat in defiance of advice from the Chief Health Officer that it was not safe to do so during the pandemic.
The Labor-dominated Lower House heeded the advice and did not meet as scheduled.”

And yet Albo is screaming for the federal parliament to sit, umm.

was that before or after Victorian security guards screwed the poo tourists

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Seems to be a lot of wasted electricity there.

Yeah, but you know what it’s like. As soon as you turn them off one of the bloody kids comes and turns them back on again.

Surely with 25% of Victorians breaking the rules there should be more traffic than that…

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

If it was a one off i’d let it pass but you’re got form for useless hypobole and waffle.

oh so you’d prefer form rather than evidence and examples, well you’ve contributed the right pace, please join in

Look i get that you like to be considered the forum eccentric but besides a few ardent fans i fear your posting style is tolerated at best. Besides it’s not the evidence that i have issue with. If you can’t post accompanying commentary it more often than not gets lost in the word salad.

actually we like the evidence to be considered on its merits and nobody cares if we comment or salad it so lettuce say whatever we like in pink and if readers can’t deal with the content then their information loss

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Seems to be a lot of wasted electricity there.

Yeah, but you know what it’s like. As soon as you turn them off one of the bloody kids comes and turns them back on again.

Surely with 25% of Victorians breaking the rules there should be more traffic than that…

Maybe all the backroads are busy.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

quote=Bubblecar

\quote

I have my own graph of this, I’ll just dig it up. Obviously, I ignore countries with hardly any cases.

List of countries on the above chart.

knew it, obviously CHINA were lying, their numbers are too perfect, too close to the middle of the range

You’ve got to be kidding. China’s one of few countries with a large active effective secret police force. You can’t get more honest and reliable than that.

The lack of new cases is suspicious given the experience of South Korea, Hong Kong etc However they might be practicing infection tracing par excellence using mobile phone data and for the sake of state security suppressing press coverage of isolated cases. They’re no doubt on top of it but i think they’re still fudging the figures IMO.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

Yeah, but you know what it’s like. As soon as you turn them off one of the bloody kids comes and turns them back on again.

Surely with 25% of Victorians breaking the rules there should be more traffic than that…

Maybe all the backroads are busy.

I know you’re from Perth and so don’t really understand – those are our backroads.

smug Victorian look

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Surely with 25% of Victorians breaking the rules there should be more traffic than that…

Maybe all the backroads are busy.

I know you’re from Perth and so don’t really understand – those are our backroads.

smug Victorian look

we can go out without a mask.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Maybe all the backroads are busy.

I know you’re from Perth and so don’t really understand – those are our backroads.

smug Victorian look

we can go out without a mask.

OK, so it is a hidden smug Victorian look. Bite me.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

I know you’re from Perth and so don’t really understand – those are our backroads.

smug Victorian look

we can go out without a mask.

OK, so it is a hidden smug Victorian look. Bite me.

wait… we can go out :)

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

we can go out without a mask.

OK, so it is a hidden smug Victorian look. Bite me.

wait… we can go out :)

Just so we can run into some WAliens?

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

we can go out without a mask.

OK, so it is a hidden smug Victorian look. Bite me.

wait… we can go out :)

Better yet as if you like going out and mixing with normal people… :-P

Witty Rejoinder said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

OK, so it is a hidden smug Victorian look. Bite me.

wait… we can go out :)

Better yet as if you like going out and mixing with normal people… :-P

I am going out tomorrow to have a coffee with a friend I haven’t seen in ages… then I’ll scuttle back here because that will be enough peopling for the week… but I could do more if I wanted to…

Arts said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Arts said:

wait… we can go out :)

Better yet as if you like going out and mixing with normal people… :-P

I am going out tomorrow to have a coffee with a friend I haven’t seen in ages… then I’ll scuttle back here because that will be enough peopling for the week… but I could do more if I wanted to…

We could do the same, for record.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Better yet as if you like going out and mixing with normal people… :-P

I am going out tomorrow to have a coffee with a friend I haven’t seen in ages… then I’ll scuttle back here because that will be enough peopling for the week… but I could do more if I wanted to…

We could do the same, for record.

sure, you guys are doing a great job…

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

I am going out tomorrow to have a coffee with a friend I haven’t seen in ages… then I’ll scuttle back here because that will be enough peopling for the week… but I could do more if I wanted to…

We could do the same, for record.

sure, you guys are doing a great job…

Yeah, it’s not great. 17 weeks was too long to languish at Stage 3.

NSW Health has not yet provided precise compliance figures for self-isolation orders as requested by the ABC, but it is understood those figures are significantly higher than Victoria.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/victorians-not-going-into-nsw-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine/12523538

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health has not yet provided precise compliance figures for self-isolation orders as requested by the ABC, but it is understood those figures are significantly higher than Victoria.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/victorians-not-going-into-nsw-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine/12523538

Well, that’s a bit stating the fkn obvious innit.

Queensland will close its border to all of New South Wales and the ACT from 1:00am on Saturday.

……………………………………………………………………………….

Great. Several days notice. I don’t understand. Open invitation for border-pass cheats.

……………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/coronavirus-queensland-closes-border-to-nsw-and-act/12518534

The early money is saying 725 for Vic today.

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 725 for Vic today.

shit :(

I was really hoping it would be dropping away by now.

Looks like my trips to the Redoubt are coming to an end.
The boarders will be closed on Saturday. no more passes by the looks of things.

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like my trips to the Redoubt are coming to an end.
The boarders will be closed on Saturday. no more passes by the looks of things.

They might implement it like the first closure. One would hope so.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like my trips to the Redoubt are coming to an end.
The boarders will be closed on Saturday. no more passes by the looks of things.

They might implement it like the first closure. One would hope so.

“From 1am Saturday, Queensland will close its border to NSW and ACT.

There will be “limited” exceptions to this rule and unless people have an exemption or a pass for freight or is a border town resident with a pass the Premier said they will be “100 per cent stopped”.”

………………………………………………………………………………………..

Reading between the lines, it should be like the first closure. You’ll likely be able to get a pass.
………………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-worker-permits-melbourne/12524320

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like my trips to the Redoubt are coming to an end.
The boarders will be closed on Saturday. no more passes by the looks of things.

How can they not have passes? There’s tons of people who live/work across the border.

Divine Angel said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like my trips to the Redoubt are coming to an end.
The boarders will be closed on Saturday. no more passes by the looks of things.

How can they not have passes? There’s tons of people who live/work across the border.

Jobs aren’t important at the moment. They have slid way down the list and will be a long time coming back up.

Divine Angel said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like my trips to the Redoubt are coming to an end.
The boarders will be closed on Saturday. no more passes by the looks of things.

How can they not have passes? There’s tons of people who live/work across the border.

Only for people who traveled via Afghanistan.

Never mind, I kept reading…

I assume the outrage bus is still able to cross the border…?

In other border news, was talking to my SIL on the weekend and she was saying that the cops are required to take a break every couple of hours. People are just waiting for the break, then walking over the border unchecked.

If this pandemic has proved anything to me, it’s that a lot of people are selfish twats with zero respect for anyone else.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like my trips to the Redoubt are coming to an end.
The boarders will be closed on Saturday. no more passes by the looks of things.

How can they not have passes? There’s tons of people who live/work across the border.

Only for people who traveled via Afghanistan.

Apparently that loophole is being tightened.

Divine Angel said:

Never mind, I kept reading…

I assume the outrage bus is still able to cross the border…?

In other border news, was talking to my SIL on the weekend and she was saying that the cops are required to take a break every couple of hours. People are just waiting for the break, then walking over the border unchecked.

If this pandemic has proved anything to me, it’s that a lot of people are selfish twats with zero respect for anyone else.

Too many for comfort anyway.

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

If they can find a place to land that isn’t at an airport.

Even rural airports are security conscious.

Divine Angel said:

Never mind, I kept reading…

I assume the outrage bus is still able to cross the border…?

In other border news, was talking to my SIL on the weekend and she was saying that the cops are required to take a break every couple of hours. People are just waiting for the break, then walking over the border unchecked.

If this pandemic has proved anything to me, it’s that a lot of people are selfish twats with zero respect for anyone else.

Cynicism is the enemy, BUGF.

Also, you’re right. Civilization is a fairly thin veneer.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

If they can find a place to land that isn’t at an airport.

Even rural airports are security conscious.

Lots of private strips about. Few large properties without some sort of landing facility.

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

Yes, the CASA are onto it.

Rule 303 said:

Civilization is a fairly thin veneer.

I’m not just talking about people flouting restrictions. It all started with no toilet paper on the shelves…

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

If they can find a place to land that isn’t at an airport.

Even rural airports are security conscious.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

If they can find a place to land that isn’t at an airport.

Even rural airports are security conscious.

Lots of private strips about. Few large properties without some sort of landing facility.

Very true.

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Civilization is a fairly thin veneer.

I’m not just talking about people flouting restrictions. It all started with no toilet paper on the shelves…

Fighting in the aisles.

Divine Angel said:

Never mind, I kept reading…

I assume the outrage bus is still able to cross the border…?

In other border news, was talking to my SIL on the weekend and she was saying that the cops are required to take a break every couple of hours. People are just waiting for the break, then walking over the border unchecked.

If this pandemic has proved anything to me, it’s that a lot of people are selfish twats with zero respect for anyone else.

Yes, very, very unfortunately.

:(

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

I don’t know.

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Civilization is a fairly thin veneer.

I’m not just talking about people flouting restrictions. It all started with no toilet paper on the shelves…

The whole toilet paper thing started from a TV news report about Hong Kong. They do get all their loo paper from China and were worried about running short if the borders were closed. That caused panic buying in Australia based upon the false assumption that we get all ours from them too.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Civilization is a fairly thin veneer.

I’m not just talking about people flouting restrictions. It all started with no toilet paper on the shelves…

The whole toilet paper thing started from a TV news report about Hong Kong. They do get all their loo paper from China and were worried about running short if the borders were closed. That caused panic buying in Australia based upon the false assumption that we get all ours from them too.

Again like the Bunnings Karen thing. Sure of facts that aren’t actually facts.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

I don’t know.

All I know is that the airfield near me was closed during the last lockdown. There were zero aircraft (apart from emergency helicopters) flying around here. On a nice day like today, there’s usually a few per hour going around. They do lessons and licensing out there as well as recreational.

Right through the pandemic, the numbers of aircraft in Australian skies have been very low compared to average.
Norway’s have been virtually empty.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone checking on private aircraft?

Where they come from? Where they’re going? Who’s aboard? What their infection status is? Whether there’s any reason why they’re still allowed to buzz back and forth across the borders while the peasantry seethe below?

I don’t know.

All I know is that the airfield near me was closed during the last lockdown. There were zero aircraft (apart from emergency helicopters) flying around here. On a nice day like today, there’s usually a few per hour going around. They do lessons and licensing out there as well as recreational.

Same here. Rex stopped flying in the first lockdown. They are flying again now but far less frequently.

roughbarked said:

Right through the pandemic, the numbers of aircraft in Australian skies have been very low compared to average.
Norway’s have been virtually empty.

Wonders why there are five helicopters in the air above Townsville?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Right through the pandemic, the numbers of aircraft in Australian skies have been very low compared to average.
Norway’s have been virtually empty.

Wonders why there are five helicopters in the air above Townsville?

Army?

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Right through the pandemic, the numbers of aircraft in Australian skies have been very low compared to average.
Norway’s have been virtually empty.

Wonders why there are five helicopters in the air above Townsville?

Army?

That thought did cross my mind.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Wonders why there are five helicopters in the air above Townsville?

Army?

That thought did cross my mind.

No. They appear to be Robinson 22s. Not military.

I find this site to be better forteracking.

https://www.adsbexchange.com/

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Army?

That thought did cross my mind.

No. They appear to be Robinson 22s. Not military.

Cattle mustering.

“Victoria records 15 more deaths overnight

There are 13,005 cumulative cases in Victoria, 725 more than our last update.

Twelve of the 15 deaths were associated with aged care.

The deaths were:

one male in his 30s
three males and one female in their 70s
three males, three females in their 80s
three males, one female in their 90s

There are currently 538 people in hospital and 42 of those people are receiving intensive care.

There are 7,227 total active cases and total active cases with a connection to aged care are some 1,435.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-worker-permits-melbourne/12524320

captain_spalding said:

I find this site to be better forteracking.

https://www.adsbexchange.com/

ta.

Divine Angel said:

Never mind, I kept reading…

I assume the outrage bus is still able to cross the border…?

In other border news, was talking to my SIL on the weekend and she was saying that the cops are required to take a break every couple of hours. People are just waiting for the break, then walking over the border unchecked.

If this pandemic has proved anything to me, it’s that a lot of people are selfish twats with zero respect for anyone else.

Wouldn’t they just cover, like you cover lunch breaks?

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Never mind, I kept reading…

I assume the outrage bus is still able to cross the border…?

In other border news, was talking to my SIL on the weekend and she was saying that the cops are required to take a break every couple of hours. People are just waiting for the break, then walking over the border unchecked.

If this pandemic has proved anything to me, it’s that a lot of people are selfish twats with zero respect for anyone else.

Wouldn’t they just cover, like you cover lunch breaks?

Cops these days are way smarter than they were in the old days.

But, not all of them are as smart as they perhaps should be.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Never mind, I kept reading…

I assume the outrage bus is still able to cross the border…?

In other border news, was talking to my SIL on the weekend and she was saying that the cops are required to take a break every couple of hours. People are just waiting for the break, then walking over the border unchecked.

If this pandemic has proved anything to me, it’s that a lot of people are selfish twats with zero respect for anyone else.

Wouldn’t they just cover, like you cover lunch breaks?

Cops these days are way smarter than they were in the old days.

But, not all of them are as smart as they perhaps should be.

It would be in the rostering department, not the decision of the folk on the actual job.

(I think I’ve caught up. I didn’t read the overnight posts. Did I miss anything?)

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Wouldn’t they just cover, like you cover lunch breaks?

Cops these days are way smarter than they were in the old days.

But, not all of them are as smart as they perhaps should be.

It would be in the rostering department, not the decision of the folk on the actual job.

(I think I’ve caught up. I didn’t read the overnight posts. Did I miss anything?)

No fights, if that’s what you mean :)

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Wouldn’t they just cover, like you cover lunch breaks?

Cops these days are way smarter than they were in the old days.

But, not all of them are as smart as they perhaps should be.

It would be in the rostering department, not the decision of the folk on the actual job.

(I think I’ve caught up. I didn’t read the overnight posts. Did I miss anything?)

Dunno, wasn’t here.

“From sniffer dogs to sewage testing, scientists are finding new ways to detect COVID-19”

“The study from the National Veterinary School in Alfort, France suggested sniffer dogs could be an excellent tool for this virus because they rarely miss positive cases and return a low rate of false positives.”

“Dogs who have already been trained in smell detection, like firearm dogs, take about six to eight weeks to train for COVID-19 detection while “green” dogs with no prior experience take a few months.”

………………………………………………………………………….

I had no idea that sniffer dogs could be re-trained so quickly.
………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-08-05/how-can-we-detect-covid-19-without-testing-people/12523252

Michael V said:

“From sniffer dogs to sewage testing, scientists are finding new ways to detect COVID-19”

“The study from the National Veterinary School in Alfort, France suggested sniffer dogs could be an excellent tool for this virus because they rarely miss positive cases and return a low rate of false positives.”

“Dogs who have already been trained in smell detection, like firearm dogs, take about six to eight weeks to train for COVID-19 detection while “green” dogs with no prior experience take a few months.”

………………………………………………………………………….

I had no idea that sniffer dogs could be re-trained so quickly.
………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-08-05/how-can-we-detect-covid-19-without-testing-people/12523252

They give them special goggles.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/could-20m-iranians-have-coronavirus-covid-19/12504416

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/could-20m-iranians-have-coronavirus-covid-19/12504416

Interesting slant on it, someone hates them so much that they get accused of inflating figures just to relieve sanctions ¿¡

Michael V said:

“From sniffer dogs to sewage testing, scientists are finding new ways to detect COVID-19”

“The study from the National Veterinary School in Alfort, France suggested sniffer dogs could be an excellent tool for this virus because they rarely miss positive cases and return a low rate of false positives.”

“Dogs who have already been trained in smell detection, like firearm dogs, take about six to eight weeks to train for COVID-19 detection while “green” dogs with no prior experience take a few months.”

If the loss of sense of smell (in humans who have corona virus) is universal, it should be pretty easy to use as a screening tool. Something as simple as rubbing a hand sanitiser on the hands for three seconds, then sniffing, should be enough.

I suggest this example because I’ve noticed the batch of sanitiser I made has three distinct scent fronts to it: First the Alc, then the denaturing agent, then the fragrance (eucalyptus oil), foof off to atmosphere at 2-3 sec intervals as you rub it on.

Hmmmm… The kitchen might have got a bit hot for our Vic Chief Health Officer. Unconfirmed reports are that he’s jumped ship.

First Australian-made COVID swabs a promising sign for local manufacturers

What is the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement?

People who think they are above the law, we have already seen that with some archbishops and catholic priests.

These people forget that they are living in a society, a society of millions of other people.

They want to walk away from responsibility by using useless conspiracy theories and their reckless behaviour is a threat to society.

That woman who concussed the police officer should have gone to jail.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement?

People who think they are above the law, we have already seen that with some archbishops and catholic priests.

These people forget that they are living in a society, a society of millions of other people.

They want to walk away from responsibility by using useless conspiracy theories and their reckless behaviour is a threat to society.

That woman who concussed the police officer should have gone to jail.

She might go to jail but her case won’t go to court until next year. Slow-moving system.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement?

People who think they are above the law, we have already seen that with some archbishops and catholic priests.

These people forget that they are living in a society, a society of millions of other people.

They want to walk away from responsibility by using useless conspiracy theories and their reckless behaviour is a threat to society.

That woman who concussed the police officer should have gone to jail.

Essentially they reject the sovereignty of facts and evidence over opinion. They either won’t accept that the Covids are real (hence all the conspiracy theories) or they won’t accept that it is serious.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is the ‘sovereign citizen’ movement?

People who think they are above the law, we have already seen that with some archbishops and catholic priests.

These people forget that they are living in a society, a society of millions of other people.

They want to walk away from responsibility by using useless conspiracy theories and their reckless behaviour is a threat to society.

That woman who concussed the police officer should have gone to jail.

Essentially they reject the sovereignty of facts and evidence over opinion. They either won’t accept that the Covids are real (hence all the conspiracy theories) or they won’t accept that it is serious.

Maybe these people should be shown documentaries on COVID19…….until they understand.

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

People who think they are above the law, we have already seen that with some archbishops and catholic priests.

These people forget that they are living in a society, a society of millions of other people.

They want to walk away from responsibility by using useless conspiracy theories and their reckless behaviour is a threat to society.

That woman who concussed the police officer should have gone to jail.

Essentially they reject the sovereignty of facts and evidence over opinion. They either won’t accept that the Covids are real (hence all the conspiracy theories) or they won’t accept that it is serious.

Maybe these people should be shown documentaries on COVID19…….until they understand.

No. That will not work.

We’re now getting reports of strong denial by the Vic CHO that he was resigning.

Rule 303 said:

We’re now getting reports of strong denial by the Vic CHO that he was resigning.

OK.

See for Yourself: How Airplanes Are Cleaned Today

Sure, but all that cleaning is useless if your sitting near someone with covid19.

How do airlines keep people safe from those who have it?

Tau.Neutrino said:

See for Yourself: How Airplanes Are Cleaned Today

Sure, but all that cleaning is useless if your sitting near someone with covid19.

How do airlines keep people safe from those who have it?

More testing at the airport ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

See for Yourself: How Airplanes Are Cleaned Today

Sure, but all that cleaning is useless if your sitting near someone with covid19.

How do airlines keep people safe from those who have it?

More testing at the airport ?

Do they deep clean the airport toilets regularly ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

See for Yourself: How Airplanes Are Cleaned Today

Sure, but all that cleaning is useless if your sitting near someone with covid19.

How do airlines keep people safe from those who have it?

More testing at the airport ?

Do they deep clean the airport toilets regularly ?

and the cruise ships returning to work now have another covid19 outbreak.

People are not getting it are they.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

More testing at the airport ?

Do they deep clean the airport toilets regularly ?

and the cruise ships returning to work now have another covid19 outbreak.

People are not getting it are they.

Some people are simply incorrigible grots.

SCIENCE said:

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Another Neat Way For West Taiwan To Lie And Cover Shit Up: Make Research Not Reach The Gold Standard

Chinese doctors gave tocilizumab to 21 patients in early February.

They responded well and after three weeks, they were all back home.

So, you might be wondering, if tocilizumab works so well, why not use it in all severely ill coronavirus patients?

Well, the answer is that this small study didn’t meet the gold standard for deciding to use a drug more widely — a randomised, controlled trial.

Better trial has been done.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30173-9/fulltext

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-second-grader-covid-19-positive-test/
Two suburban Atlanta school districts that began in-person classes Monday with mask-optional policies face more questions about COVID-19 safety protocols after on-campus pictures showed students packed shoulder-to-shoulder. The day after school resumed, one school announced a second grader tested positive for the coronavirus, forcing the child’s teacher and classmates to be sent home to quarantine for two weeks, CBS affiliate WGCL-TV reports.

“Victoria records eight more deaths

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said the state had recorded 471 new cases overnight.

There have been eight more deaths.

That number is made up of two men in their 60s, three men and two women in their 80s, and one woman in her 90s.

Four of those eight cases are linked to aged care.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news/12527772

remember this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise-by-317-with-two-more-deaths/12460318

Thursday 16 July 2020 at 11:14am, updated Friday 17 July 2020 at 12:21am

In announcing the figures, Premier Daniel Andrews said it was “way too early” for the state to be moving to a new stage of restrictions.

I saw some graphs go by.

Could we cure Corona

In the quest to find life-saving COVID-19 treatments, scientists are trying everything from using the blood of coronavirus survivors to recycling old HIV drugs. What’s working — and how?

===

Interesting article.

But why did I have to see Clive Palmers name. I was in a good mood before seeing that name. I will read some science articles to try and recover from seeing that name.

Divine Angel said:

Thanks.

I’ll plan to stay away from those places.

Divine Angel said:

Pubs and restaurants again. We don’t even have those in Victoria…

I heard this on the radio earlier:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-06/sa-premier-defends-liberal-womens-function-coronavirus/12529004

Victorians face weeks of higher coronavirus infections, with average daily cases to peak at 1100 by the end of next week and staying above 1000 for eight days.

The Victorian government’s own estimates, obtained by The Australian, show the average number of new cases is not ­expected to decline until the last week of August.

It will remain above 300 a day even as the restrictive stage-four lockdown is scheduled to end in mid-September.

Victoria recorded its highest number of COVID-19 cases and fatalities on Wednesday — 725 new infections and 15 deaths, ­including a man in his 30s who ­became the youngest person in Australia to succumb to the ­coronavirus. There are now 7227 active COVID-19 cases in the state, with 2280 having no known source and thousands more ­remaining under investigation by the Health Department.

Public health officials hope the tough new six-week lockdown, including an 8pm curfew and limiting people to 5km around their home, will mean case numbers “decline quite rapidly”.

Victorian coronavirus cases for Thursday is more than 200 cases down on Tuesday, at 471.

The modelling suggests the daily total will shift but average cases will rise to a peak of 1,100 in the last week of August.

The coronavirus infection modelling Daniel Andrews used to introduce Victoria’s Stage 4 restrictions on business, social life, shopping and industry is more optimistic about the impact on COVID-19 spread than the scenario revealed in The Australian.

The Victorian Premier relied on modelling which shows a sharper, earlier decline from the late August peak of 1,100 average cases a day.

But Mr Andrews has not released the modelling forecasting the coronavirus infections trajectory.

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd said: “What we’re seeing happening in Victoria is based on the world’s best evidence about responding to pandemics, about bringing outbreaks like this under control. And what works is keeping people in their homes, keeping people away from other people, and preventing the transmission from one community member to another.

“What we hope to see over the next two weeks is the figures that we’re currently seeing start to ­decline and hopefully decline quite rapidly.”

However, the leaked Victorian government estimates suggest the peak health impact will be in the last weeks of August, with significant numbers of new cases continuing to be recorded well into September and October.

Average daily new case numbers in Victoria will not return to levels seen before the catastrophic second outbreak in Melbourne until October. The same estimates — from modelling based on stage-four restrictions — predicted average new cases would be 693 by August 8.

The confidential modelling also predicts average new cases will rise to more than 700 by Sunday and rapidly lift at the beginning of next week to break through 800 on Thursday and 900 by Friday, reaching 990 on August 15. The next day is forecast to be the first above 1000.

The modelling suggests that, even under the stage-four lockdown that is crippling business and keeping Victorians at home, average daily new cases will ­remain above 1000 for eight days, peaking at 1100 from August 17 to August 22.

After August 24, the average rate of new cases starts to fall, dropping under 800 at the end of the month. According to the modelling, the daily case rate continues to fall from the week beginning August 31 through to mid-September when the average goes below 200. The number of new confirmed cases was last below 200 in July.

Premier Daniel Andrews has refused to release forecasts about new infection numbers for the stage four lockdown, despite ­declaring a state of disaster on Sunday. At that time, he said pursuing the previous strategy without the tougher lockdowns would have mean “it would likely (have been) the end of the year before we were able to reopen”.

“That’s a six-month strategy that is simply not going to work,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday.

The restrictions have meant the closure of most retail, manufacturing and administrative businesses. KPMG modelling suggests the lockdown will cost the state’s economy $830m in lost output in August alone.

The confidential modelling of case numbers does not predict a return to pre-second wave levels of COVID-19 cases until mid-October.

The modelling estimates the average of new daily cases and average infection rate — the trends for infections — and not day-to-day case numbers.

The new cases on Wednesday were largely focused on Wyndham, in Melbourne’s outer southwest, which recorded 94 new infections taking the total to 860.

Just one of metropolitan Melbourne’s 31 local government areas has fewer than 48 known ­active cases of coronavirus, and two now have more than 1600 active cases between them.

There are 17 people aged under 60 in Victorian intensive care wards with coronavirus on Wednesday, including a child under 10, three people in their 20s and two in their 30s.

The Andrews government on Wednesday instructed public hospitals in regional Victoria to wind back all non-urgent surgery as stage three restrictions come into effect from 11:59pm across the state outside Melbourne.

Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said: “With ­coronavirus numbers continuing to grow at a slow but steady rate in regional Victoria it is more likely that our hospitals will have to manage additional patients and we need to ensure they are equipped to do so.

“Pausing all non-urgent ­elective surgery across the state will create additional capacity within the health system — which is particularly necessary in the event of large scale aged care outbreaks, where in some cases, the best option for the patients is to transfer them out of age care facilities and into hospitals.”

Ms Mikakos said Victoria now had 800 ICU beds, “with ­hundreds more ready to be ­rapidly scaled up and down as needed to be suitable for coronavirus patients”.

Victoria also has more than 1500 ventilators with access to “thousands more if needed” to convert additional beds into ICU capacity.

On April 1, the Andrews ­government announced it would spend $1.9bn adding 4000 ICU beds to the existing 476 across the state.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/secret-modelling-reveals-covid19-cases-peak-still-weeks-away/news-story/ca5040cd435946e75e63b557b380f3b4

But then it is the Australian.

Premier Daniel Andrews said:

pursuing the previous strategy without the tougher lockdowns would have mean “it would likely (have been) the end of the year before we were able to reopen”.

imagine if did it the moment the unknown sources and investigations were climbing

sarahs mum said:

Victorians face weeks of higher coronavirus infections, with average daily cases to peak at 1100 by the end of next week and staying above 1000 for eight days.

The Victorian government’s own estimates, obtained by The Australian, show the average number of new cases is not ­expected to decline until the last week of August.

It will remain above 300 a day even as the restrictive stage-four lockdown is scheduled to end in mid-September.

(…snip for brevity)

This is not good news. I was hoping that the numbers would start falling already by the weekend.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Victorians face weeks of higher coronavirus infections, with average daily cases to peak at 1100 by the end of next week and staying above 1000 for eight days.

The Victorian government’s own estimates, obtained by The Australian, show the average number of new cases is not ­expected to decline until the last week of August.

It will remain above 300 a day even as the restrictive stage-four lockdown is scheduled to end in mid-September.

(…snip for brevity)

This is not good news. I was hoping that the numbers would start falling already by the weekend.

I suspect we’ll be keeping the island drawbridge up for a while past the end of this month.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Victorians face weeks of higher coronavirus infections, with average daily cases to peak at 1100 by the end of next week and staying above 1000 for eight days.

The Victorian government’s own estimates, obtained by The Australian, show the average number of new cases is not ­expected to decline until the last week of August.

It will remain above 300 a day even as the restrictive stage-four lockdown is scheduled to end in mid-September.

(…snip for brevity)

This is not good news. I was hoping that the numbers would start falling already by the weekend.

It is Murdoch. There is a link to… Sky News host Alan Jones says the COVID-19 outbreak in Victoria and Australia is not a pandemic but a catastrophic state government failure.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Victorians face weeks of higher coronavirus infections, with average daily cases to peak at 1100 by the end of next week and staying above 1000 for eight days.

The Victorian government’s own estimates, obtained by The Australian, show the average number of new cases is not ­expected to decline until the last week of August.

It will remain above 300 a day even as the restrictive stage-four lockdown is scheduled to end in mid-September.

(…snip for brevity)

This is not good news. I was hoping that the numbers would start falling already by the weekend.

I suspect we’ll be keeping the island drawbridge up for a while past the end of this month.

We’ll be reclassifying everybody from any other state as a Clive Palmer type being and deny them entry.

seems exaggerated, what incubation period are they using, 20 days ¿

buffy said:

I heard this on the radio earlier:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-06/sa-premier-defends-liberal-womens-function-coronavirus/12529004

do Liberal Women undertake any Adult Education ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-06/sa-new-coronavirus-case-closes-thebarton-senior-college/12532200

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Death rate getting very level. Have they killed off those who were going to be killed off?

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

This is not good news. I was hoping that the numbers would start falling already by the weekend.

I suspect we’ll be keeping the island drawbridge up for a while past the end of this month.

We’ll be reclassifying everybody from any other state as a Clive Palmer type being and deny them entry.

I’m not a CP type. Wash your mouth out!

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I suspect we’ll be keeping the island drawbridge up for a while past the end of this month.

We’ll be reclassifying everybody from any other state as a Clive Palmer type being and deny them entry.

I’m not a CP type. Wash your mouth out!

You haven’t applied for an exemption to get in without doing the mandatory hotel quarantine.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

We’ll be reclassifying everybody from any other state as a Clive Palmer type being and deny them entry.

I’m not a CP type. Wash your mouth out!

You haven’t applied for an exemption to get in without doing the mandatory hotel quarantine.

Well, no, no I haven’t.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

We’ll be reclassifying everybody from any other state as a Clive Palmer type being and deny them entry.

I’m not a CP type. Wash your mouth out!

You haven’t applied for an exemption to get in without doing the mandatory hotel quarantine.

This will be my last evening at the redoubt for some time because I cant find an exemption on the gov site. From 1am Saturday morning there will be armed guards with dogs at the crossing and full body cavity searches.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I’m not a CP type. Wash your mouth out!

You haven’t applied for an exemption to get in without doing the mandatory hotel quarantine.

Well, no, no I haven’t.

Well not good enough we have had over three months of self isolation here.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I’m not a CP type. Wash your mouth out!

You haven’t applied for an exemption to get in without doing the mandatory hotel quarantine.

This will be my last evening at the redoubt for some time because I cant find an exemption on the gov site. From 1am Saturday morning there will be armed guards with dogs at the crossing and full body cavity searches.

Haven’t you got stock that needs feeding and watering?

If not, you’ve still got time.

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

You haven’t applied for an exemption to get in without doing the mandatory hotel quarantine.

This will be my last evening at the redoubt for some time because I cant find an exemption on the gov site. From 1am Saturday morning there will be armed guards with dogs at the crossing and full body cavity searches.

Haven’t you got stock that needs feeding and watering?

If not, you’ve still got time.

There’s some cattle but they’ve got plenty of feed and water to last them for months.

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

This will be my last evening at the redoubt for some time because I cant find an exemption on the gov site. From 1am Saturday morning there will be armed guards with dogs at the crossing and full body cavity searches.

Haven’t you got stock that needs feeding and watering?

If not, you’ve still got time.

There’s some cattle but they’ve got plenty of feed and water to last them for months.

Don’t tell people that! Jeeeez….

https://www.facebook.com/JodiMcKayMP/videos/305888137131285/

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I’m not a CP type. Wash your mouth out!

You haven’t applied for an exemption to get in without doing the mandatory hotel quarantine.

This will be my last evening at the redoubt for some time because I cant find an exemption on the gov site. From 1am Saturday morning there will be armed guards with dogs at the crossing and full body cavity searches.

Maybe they’ll update the site on Friday.

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Haven’t you got stock that needs feeding and watering?

If not, you’ve still got time.

There’s some cattle but they’ve got plenty of feed and water to last them for months.

Don’t tell people that! Jeeeez….

He still has to inspect the condition of fences and gates regularly.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s some cattle but they’ve got plenty of feed and water to last them for months.

Don’t tell people that! Jeeeez….

He still has to inspect the condition of fences and gates regularly.

Totally.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s some cattle but they’ve got plenty of feed and water to last them for months.

Don’t tell people that! Jeeeez….

He still has to inspect the condition of fences and gates regularly.

http://www.mygc.com.au/new-border-passes-to-be-generous-enough-to-gold-coast-tweed-residents/

Up and running tomorrow, apparently.

X-pass. (Exemption pass.)

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Don’t tell people that! Jeeeez….

He still has to inspect the condition of fences and gates regularly.

http://www.mygc.com.au/new-border-passes-to-be-generous-enough-to-gold-coast-tweed-residents/

Up and running tomorrow, apparently.

X-pass. (Exemption pass.)

Ta Michael, I’ll look into that

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

He still has to inspect the condition of fences and gates regularly.

http://www.mygc.com.au/new-border-passes-to-be-generous-enough-to-gold-coast-tweed-residents/

Up and running tomorrow, apparently.

X-pass. (Exemption pass.)

Ta Michael, I’ll look into that

No worries.

I’ll look again tomorrow too, and pass along any information I get in this thread. (Pun intended.)

This is weak, low act…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-07/coronavirus-queensland-students-lose-travel-concession/12531374

For PWM:

QLD Gov’t has put up the updated pages.

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/legislation/cho-public-health-directions-under-expanded-public-health-act-powers/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-11

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/998000/map-border-zones-qld-border-restriction-direction.pdf

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/public-health-directions/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-8-aug-2020

From that last one:

“Queensland border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in New South Wales and New South Wales border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in either Queensland or New South Wales.”

From the first one:

“Part 4—OTHER MATTERS
The Chief Health Officer may give a person or class of persons an exemption:

• to enter Queensland if the Chief Health Officer considers the person is essential for the proper functioning of the State and the person must be physically present in Queensland; or
• from a requirement in this Direction if other extreme exceptional circumstances exist.”

You may be able to apply for a special exemption to tend your cattle, check and repair fences, check and replace licks etc, which must be done regularly (weekly or whatever).

Michael V said:

For PWM:

QLD Gov’t has put up the updated pages.

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/legislation/cho-public-health-directions-under-expanded-public-health-act-powers/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-11

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/998000/map-border-zones-qld-border-restriction-direction.pdf

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/public-health-directions/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-8-aug-2020

From that last one:

“Queensland border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in New South Wales and New South Wales border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in either Queensland or New South Wales.”

From the first one:

“Part 4—OTHER MATTERS
The Chief Health Officer may give a person or class of persons an exemption:

• to enter Queensland if the Chief Health Officer considers the person is essential for the proper functioning of the State and the person must be physically present in Queensland; or
• from a requirement in this Direction if other extreme exceptional circumstances exist.”

You may be able to apply for a special exemption to tend your cattle, check and repair fences, check and replace licks etc, which must be done regularly (weekly or whatever).

Thanks Michael, I’ll go through it but the problem is I don’t live on the border, but we’ll see.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

For PWM:

QLD Gov’t has put up the updated pages.

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/legislation/cho-public-health-directions-under-expanded-public-health-act-powers/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-11

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/998000/map-border-zones-qld-border-restriction-direction.pdf

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/public-health-directions/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-8-aug-2020

From that last one:

“Queensland border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in New South Wales and New South Wales border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in either Queensland or New South Wales.”

From the first one:

“Part 4—OTHER MATTERS
The Chief Health Officer may give a person or class of persons an exemption:

• to enter Queensland if the Chief Health Officer considers the person is essential for the proper functioning of the State and the person must be physically present in Queensland; or
• from a requirement in this Direction if other extreme exceptional circumstances exist.”

You may be able to apply for a special exemption to tend your cattle, check and repair fences, check and replace licks etc, which must be done regularly (weekly or whatever).

Thanks Michael, I’ll go through it but the problem is I don’t live on the border, but we’ll see.

I realise that, but the CMO can grant special exemptions. You would have to make a special case…

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

For PWM:

QLD Gov’t has put up the updated pages.

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/legislation/cho-public-health-directions-under-expanded-public-health-act-powers/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-11

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/998000/map-border-zones-qld-border-restriction-direction.pdf

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/public-health-directions/border-restrictions/border-restrictions-8-aug-2020

From that last one:

“Queensland border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in New South Wales and New South Wales border zone residents cannot travel outside the border zone in either Queensland or New South Wales.”

From the first one:

“Part 4—OTHER MATTERS
The Chief Health Officer may give a person or class of persons an exemption:

• to enter Queensland if the Chief Health Officer considers the person is essential for the proper functioning of the State and the person must be physically present in Queensland; or
• from a requirement in this Direction if other extreme exceptional circumstances exist.”

You may be able to apply for a special exemption to tend your cattle, check and repair fences, check and replace licks etc, which must be done regularly (weekly or whatever).

Thanks Michael, I’ll go through it but the problem is I don’t live on the border, but we’ll see.

I realise that, but the CMO can grant special exemptions. You would have to make a special case…

My cattle miss seeing me every day.

On the plus side it appears that there will be about the same number of deaths in the USA this week as there were last week, ie it is no longer shooting up.

and mmmmmaybe things are cresting in Victoria?

dv said:

On the plus side it appears that there will be about the same number of deaths in the USA this week as there were last week, ie it is no longer shooting up.

and mmmmmaybe things are cresting in Victoria?

It’s All The CDC’s Fault

dv said:

On the plus side it appears that there will be about the same number of deaths in the USA this week as there were last week, ie it is no longer shooting up.

and mmmmmaybe things are cresting in Victoria?

I saw an interview yesterday where a Stats bloke was suggesting it would hit 1,100 next week then drop off sharply.

How many coronavirus cases are there in your suburb in Victoria?

Tau.Neutrino said:

How many coronavirus cases are there in your suburb in Victoria?

Saw that this morning. There are none in my postcode. There is one in my local government area. And that person must be nearly out of their 2 weeks by now.

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How many coronavirus cases are there in your suburb in Victoria?

Saw that this morning. There are none in my postcode. There is one in my local government area. And that person must be nearly out of their 2 weeks by now.

Same here none in Creswick, one in Hepburn.

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How many coronavirus cases are there in your suburb in Victoria?

Saw that this morning. There are none in my postcode. There is one in my local government area. And that person must be nearly out of their 2 weeks by now.

Same here none in Creswick, one in Hepburn.

Warrnambool went back down to zero today, and Glenelg went down by one. Useful listings here:

https://covidlive.com.au/report/active-cases-by-lga

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Saw that this morning. There are none in my postcode. There is one in my local government area. And that person must be nearly out of their 2 weeks by now.

Same here none in Creswick, one in Hepburn.

Warrnambool went back down to zero today, and Glenelg went down by one. Useful listings here:

https://covidlive.com.au/report/active-cases-by-lga

Probably better to start at the front page:

https://covidlive.com.au/vic

Electric multicookers could be used for sanitization of N95 respirator masks

They verified that one cooking cycle, which maintains the contents of the cooker at around 100 degrees Celsius or 212 Fahrenheit for 50 minutes, decontaminated the masks, inside and out, from four different classes of virus, including a coronavirus – and did so more effectively than ultraviolet light. Then, they tested the filtration and fit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/pressure-mounts-for-doctors-to-get-covid-n95-respirator-masks/12532136

I understand the higher risk medical and associated people have, simply because of higher rates of exposure than the general population. And I’ve seen the figures for the number of cases in medical and associated people. But have there been any deaths in that cohort in Australia? And given there is apparently little evidence of people catching it a second time, there must be quite a few now who are out the other side and effectively immune and back at work.

And now people are telling me that Ivermectin cures Covid-19 in the test tube, so we should all start taking it right now.

Lot of things kill viruses in the test tube. Pee, battery acid, hammers…

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/pressure-mounts-for-doctors-to-get-covid-n95-respirator-masks/12532136

I understand the higher risk medical and associated people have, simply because of higher rates of exposure than the general population. And I’ve seen the figures for the number of cases in medical and associated people. But have there been any deaths in that cohort in Australia? And given there is apparently little evidence of people catching it a second time, there must be quite a few now who are out the other side and effectively immune and back at work.

Well this guy might agree with you.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/

Rule 303 said:

And now people are telling me that Ivermectin cures Covid-19 in the test tube, so we should all start taking it right now.

Lot of things kill viruses in the test tube. Pee, battery acid, hammers…

Have they been watching the ads on country TV?

Rule 303 said:

And now people are telling me that Ivermectin cures Covid-19 in the test tube, so we should all start taking it right now.

Lot of things kill viruses in the test tube. Pee, battery acid, hammers…

Heating it over a gas flame, that’d work.

Dunno where we’re going to find rotisseries big enough to use on the gas barbecues,though.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/pressure-mounts-for-doctors-to-get-covid-n95-respirator-masks/12532136

I understand the higher risk medical and associated people have, simply because of higher rates of exposure than the general population. And I’ve seen the figures for the number of cases in medical and associated people. But have there been any deaths in that cohort in Australia? And given there is apparently little evidence of people catching it a second time, there must be quite a few now who are out the other side and effectively immune and back at work.

Well this guy might agree with you.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/

Well, they do seem to have levelled their deaths out. It’s a high level. But other countries are still adding furiously to their totals.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

And now people are telling me that Ivermectin cures Covid-19 in the test tube, so we should all start taking it right now.

Lot of things kill viruses in the test tube. Pee, battery acid, hammers…

Heating it over a gas flame, that’d work.

Dunno where we’re going to find rotisseries big enough to use on the gas barbecues,though.

We’ve got a spit roast thingy. You could fit a child on it. You’d have to cut up an adult though. We’ve done pig.

‘How is the LNP learning from its past mistakes on coronavirus?’ – ABC News.

I’m so very glad that the LNP wasn’t running Qld this year.

Deb the Freckle would have bowed down to the slightest pressure from the business lobby, and we’d have had open borders all the way through, and the worst-case predictions of 30,000 dead in Qld would have had a real chance of coming true.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

And now people are telling me that Ivermectin cures Covid-19 in the test tube, so we should all start taking it right now.

Lot of things kill viruses in the test tube. Pee, battery acid, hammers…

Have they been watching the ads on country TV?

Sky News, I think.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

And now people are telling me that Ivermectin cures Covid-19 in the test tube, so we should all start taking it right now.

Lot of things kill viruses in the test tube. Pee, battery acid, hammers…

Have they been watching the ads on country TV?

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/pressure-mounts-for-doctors-to-get-covid-n95-respirator-masks/12532136

I understand the higher risk medical and associated people have, simply because of higher rates of exposure than the general population. And I’ve seen the figures for the number of cases in medical and associated people. But have there been any deaths in that cohort in Australia? And given there is apparently little evidence of people catching it a second time, there must be quite a few now who are out the other side and effectively immune and back at work.

Well this guy might agree with you.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/

Well, as he says, anecdotal. But interesting none the less. I also read the comments.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Have they been watching the ads on country TV?

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

Yes, when visiting capital cities, i notice the difference in the TV ads.

‘How do these people ever learn about new products in the cattle-drench market?’, i wonder to myself.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/pressure-mounts-for-doctors-to-get-covid-n95-respirator-masks/12532136

I understand the higher risk medical and associated people have, simply because of higher rates of exposure than the general population. And I’ve seen the figures for the number of cases in medical and associated people. But have there been any deaths in that cohort in Australia? And given there is apparently little evidence of people catching it a second time, there must be quite a few now who are out the other side and effectively immune and back at work.

Well this guy might agree with you.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/

Well, as he says, anecdotal. But interesting none the less. I also read the comments.

Does it really say ‘undertaker’ on that doc’s name badge?

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

Yes, when visiting capital cities, i notice the difference in the TV ads.

‘How do these people ever learn about new products in the cattle-drench market?’, i wonder to myself.

Last night our antenna was playing up so I switched to live-streaming the tv (what an age we live in). An ad came on for Sydney Water telling me to only have 4 minute showers.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Have they been watching the ads on country TV?

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

I don’t watch ads on TV, but I remember Ivermectin as a worming paste (…?) we gave horses.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Have they been watching the ads on country TV?

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

Y’all not seen cringingly bad ads as early seventies southern small town USA home made used car ads.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

Y’all not seen cringingly bad ads as early seventies southern small town USA home made used car ads.

Oh, there were some of those on telly out here when we first moved from Melbourne in the 1980s…generally cheaply made with the owner spruiking.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

Y’all not seen cringingly bad ads as early seventies southern small town USA home made used car ads.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Sky News, I think.

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

Y’all not seen cringingly bad ads as early seventies southern small town USA home made used car ads.

I remember Rimula X ads for diesel engine oil, Henty Field Day ads, but that’s about it.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Sorry, you obviously don’t watch country TV. We get ads for Ivermectin, and various other agricultural stuff all the time. Along with the ads for caryards on the other side of the state. And furniture retailers in country towns 400-500km away.

Y’all not seen cringingly bad ads as early seventies southern small town USA home made used car ads.

The Dodgy Brothers dis some spoofs on this.

dis = did

Bat signal
The hunt for the origins of SARS-CoV-2 will look beyond China
The virus may have been born in South-East Asia

Science & technology
Jul 22nd 2020 edition

One of the great questions of the past six months is where sars-cov-2, the virus that causes covid-19, came from. It is thought the answer involves bats, because they harbour a variety of sars-like viruses. Yunnan, one of China’s southernmost provinces, has drawn the attention of virus hunters, as the closest-known relatives of sars-cov-2 are found there. But some think the origins of the virus are not to be found in China at all, but rather just across the border in Myanmar, Laos or Vietnam.

This is the hunch of Peter Daszak, head of EcoHealth Alliance, an organisation which researches animals that harbour diseases that move into people. Since the outbreak, in 2003, of the original sars (now known as sars-cov), scientists have paid close attention to coronaviruses. Dr Daszak says that around 16,000 bats have been sampled and around 100 new sars-like viruses discovered. In particular, some bats found in China are now known to harbour coronaviruses that seem pre-adapted to infect people. The chiropteran hosts of these viruses have versions of a protein called ace2 that closely resemble the equivalent in people. This molecule is used by sars-like viruses as a point of entry into a cell.

That such virological diversity has so far been found only in China is because few people have looked at bats in countries on the other side of the border. Yet these places are likely to be an evolutionary hotspot for coronaviruses—one that mirrors bat diversity (see map). The horseshoe bats in Yunnan which harbour close relatives of sars-cov-2 are found across the region. Other countries are thus likely to have bats with similar viral building blocks. Dr Daszak believes it is “quite likely that bats in Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam carry similar sars-related coronaviruses, maybe a huge diversity of them, and that some of them could be close to sars-cov-2”.

None of this, though, explains how a virus whose ancestor may be found in South-East Asian bats went on to start a pandemic from central China. China’s government has agreed that a mission led by the World Health Organisation (who) can visit later this year to help answer this question. There is particular interest in how much sampling has been conducted to look for the missing link in places like the wildlife market in Wuhan (the first known centre of the outbreak) and more generally in farmers, traders and possible intermediate or host species.

Jeremy Farrar, the head of the Wellcome Trust, a large medical-research charity, and a former professor of tropical medicine, says his guess is that either sars-cov-2 or something similar to it has been circulating in people in parts of South-East Asia and southern China, probably for many years, and that intermediate hosts have not yet been identified. Dr Farrar spent 18 years working in Vietnam as the head of an Oxford University research unit. He says people go searching for bats for food and sell them in markets in what is a sophisticated trade that can end up in big cities like Wuhan. Bats are able to carry a huge diversity of viruses without getting sick, and are also more mobile than people realise. As he puts it, bats “congregate in huge colonies, and poo everywhere. And then other mammals live off that poo and then act as a mixing vessel for these sorts of viruses.”

Support for the idea that something resembling sars-cov-2 might have been circulating in the region before the pandemic began also comes from another intriguing observation: the low incidence of covid-19 in South-East Asia, particularly in Vietnam. John Bell, a professor of medicine at the University of Oxford, says everyone thought there would be a flood of cases in Vietnam because the country is right across the border from China. Yet Vietnam has reported only 300 in a population of 100m, and no deaths. The country did not have a great lockdown either, he adds. Nobody could work out what was going on.

One explanation, he suggests, is that Vietnam’s population is not as immunologically “naive” as has been assumed. The circulation of other sars-like viruses could have conferred a generalised immunity to such pathogens. So, if a new one emerged in the region, it was able to take hold in the human population only when it travelled all the way to central China—where people did not have this natural resistance.

This would tie in with the idea that infection with one coronavirus can provide protection against others, and that even in countries away from the evolutionary cauldron of South-East Asia part of the population may have some protection against the current pandemic. In particular, there are suggestions that protection might be conferred mainly via part of the immune system called t-cells (which work by killing virus-infected cells) rather than via antibodies (which work by gumming up pathogens). If that is the case, then serological studies which look at antibodies may be underestimating natural immunity.

Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at Oxford, argues that natural immunity to covid-19 is conferred by infections with seasonal coronaviruses. If correct, this has implications for the level of vaccination needed to reach herd immunity. It is widely assumed that over 50% of people need to be vaccinated to prevent a resurgence of sars-cov-2. In a preprint released on July 15th Dr Gupta says this figure could be much lower if a significant part of the population is already resistant to infection.

As for the mystery of the origin of covid-19, more answers will come when the who mission takes place, perhaps in August. The critical steps that led a South-East Asian bat virus to start a pandemic could have happened inside or outside of China—whether in wild-animal markets or farms, or in traders or hunters. The virus may have jumped directly from bats into people, or come via an intermediate species. The story is waiting to be told.

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/07/22/the-hunt-for-the-origins-of-sars-cov-2-will-look-beyond-china?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bat signal
The hunt for the origins of SARS-CoV-2 will look beyond China
The virus may have been born in South-East Asia

Science & technology
Jul 22nd 2020 edition

One of the great questions of the past six months is where sars-cov-2, the virus that causes covid-19, came from. It is thought the answer involves bats, because they harbour a variety of sars-like viruses. Yunnan, one of China’s southernmost provinces, has drawn the attention of virus hunters, as the closest-known relatives of sars-cov-2 are found there. But some think the origins of the virus are not to be found in China at all, but rather just across the border in Myanmar, Laos or Vietnam.

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Dr Daszak believes it is “quite likely that bats in Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam carry similar sars-related coronaviruses, maybe a huge diversity of them, and that some of them could be close to sars-cov-2”.

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Support for the idea that something resembling sars-cov-2 might have been circulating in the region before the pandemic began also comes from another intriguing observation: the low incidence of covid-19 in South-East Asia, particularly in Vietnam. John Bell, a professor of medicine at the University of Oxford, says everyone thought there would be a flood of cases in Vietnam because the country is right across the border from China. Yet Vietnam has reported only 300 in a population of 100m, and no deaths. The country did not have a great lockdown either, he adds. Nobody could work out what was going on.

One explanation, he suggests, is that Vietnam’s population is not as immunologically “naive” as has been assumed. The circulation of other sars-like viruses could have conferred a generalised immunity to such pathogens. So, if a new one emerged in the region, it was able to take hold in the human population only when it travelled all the way to central China—where people did not have this natural resistance.

This would tie in with the idea that infection with one coronavirus can provide protection against others, and that even in countries away from the evolutionary cauldron of South-East Asia part of the population may have some protection against the current pandemic. In particular, there are suggestions that protection might be conferred mainly via part of the immune system called t-cells (which work by killing virus-infected cells) rather than via antibodies (which work by gumming up pathogens). If that is the case, then serological studies which look at antibodies may be underestimating natural immunity.

Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at Oxford, argues that natural immunity to covid-19 is conferred by infections with seasonal coronaviruses. If correct, this has implications for the level of vaccination needed to reach herd immunity. It is widely assumed that over 50% of people need to be vaccinated to prevent a resurgence of sars-cov-2. In a preprint released on July 15th Dr Gupta says this figure could be much lower if a significant part of the population is already resistant to infection.

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https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/07/22/the-hunt-for-the-origins-of-sars-cov-2-will-look-beyond-china?

Thanks. Interesting.

“Victoria records 466 new coronavirus cases, 12 new deaths

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said those deaths were one male in their 30s, two males in their 70s, two males and three females in their 80s, and four females in their 90s.

Six deaths can be linked to the aged care system.

636 people in hospital, 44 in intensive care, 29 of those are on ventilators.

There have been 130 new cases with an unknown source, with 2,584 in total.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-lockdown/12537484

Michael V said:

“Victoria records 466 new coronavirus cases, 12 new deaths

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said those deaths were one male in their 30s, two males in their 70s, two males and three females in their 80s, and four females in their 90s.

Six deaths can be linked to the aged care system.

636 people in hospital, 44 in intensive care, 29 of those are on ventilators.

There have been 130 new cases with an unknown source, with 2,584 in total.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-lockdown/12537484

So has Vic peaked?

Looks like it may be possible.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/pressure-mounts-for-doctors-to-get-covid-n95-respirator-masks/12532136

I understand the higher risk medical and associated people have, simply because of higher rates of exposure than the general population. And I’ve seen the figures for the number of cases in medical and associated people. But have there been any deaths in that cohort in Australia? And given there is apparently little evidence of people catching it a second time, there must be quite a few now who are out the other side and effectively immune and back at work.

Apparently this man in his 30s wasn’t the doctor but then there was another man in his 30s dying a few days ago wasn’t there ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/victoria-coronavirus-numbers-rise-man-in-30s-dies/12537686

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria records 466 new coronavirus cases, 12 new deaths

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said those deaths were one male in their 30s, two males in their 70s, two males and three females in their 80s, and four females in their 90s.

Six deaths can be linked to the aged care system.

636 people in hospital, 44 in intensive care, 29 of those are on ventilators.

There have been 130 new cases with an unknown source, with 2,584 in total.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-lockdown/12537484

So has Vic peaked?

Looks like it may be possible.

You can’t keep those numbers up for ever no matter what you do, you can order people to beaches and to the football, ban all masks, encourage and subsidise street demonstrations, sure you may be able to keep the numbers of cases and deaths high but as sure as there’s shit in a cat those numbers will eventually come down and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria records 466 new coronavirus cases, 12 new deaths

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said those deaths were one male in their 30s, two males in their 70s, two males and three females in their 80s, and four females in their 90s.

Six deaths can be linked to the aged care system.

636 people in hospital, 44 in intensive care, 29 of those are on ventilators.

There have been 130 new cases with an unknown source, with 2,584 in total.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-lockdown/12537484

So has Vic peaked?

Looks like it may be possible.

You can’t keep those numbers up for ever no matter what you do, you can order people to beaches and to the football, ban all masks, encourage and subsidise street demonstrations, sure you may be able to keep the numbers of cases and deaths high but as sure as there’s shit in a cat those numbers will eventually come down and there’s nothing you can do about it.

!! Fatten The Curve !

In Contrast To The Swedish Shills, Here Are Australian Healthcare Workers

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/ppe-health-workers-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown/12533892

I know we call doctors and nurses and ambos heroes, but that just whistles past in the wind for our health care workers. They don’t want to hear it.

Instead, they tell us that we are. We are the first line of preventing infection, preventing spread, cutting off the need to be in their blue-garbed company.

They are the last line, they tell us. The very last line. They are the people you don’t want to have to see. And if we keep on doing what some of us are right now — moving around as if this isn’t real, holding the stage 4 lockdown regulations up to the light in order to find any little gap we can wriggle through — then they will be at our bedside. And we will infect them. And then you can open up that hell-mouth.

I worry for my sister every day — and I worry for your doctor wife and ambo husband and nurse best friend. Don’t waste any breath trying to praise them — just stay away from them, and for the next few weeks until we get this thing back under control — stay away from everyone else too.