There you go.

And I’ll have first go. The number of tests being done is rather a interesting number. Mum has just had her 3rd test in the nursing home. Not because they have another positive, but apparently after the first one, they do another two over the course of the following couple of weeks. If this is the case for all people who might be a close contact that would explain why the test numbers has skyrocketed in Victoria. I didn’t realize this. I suspected some Worried Well might be going through the drivethroughs multiple times, but I didn’t know multiples were routinely done. I understand the high risk level in aged care. I’m sure DA only went with symptoms, and wasn’t routinely retested.

The early money is saying 322 new cases and 19 deaths for Vic.

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 322 new cases and 19 deaths for Vic.

Sounds like the health care is overstressed. Good that the new cases are going down though.

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 322 new cases and 19 deaths for Vic.

Sounds like the health care is overstressed. Good that the new cases are going down though.

The deaths are already locked in.

It’s the new cases that are important.

(other than for people who know the dead people of course)

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 322 new cases and 19 deaths for Vic.

Sounds like the health care is overstressed. Good that the new cases are going down though.

The deaths are already locked in.

It’s the new cases that are important.

(other than for people who know the dead people of course)

well, for an epidemic point of view, ^

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

The early money is saying 322 new cases and 19 deaths for Vic.

Sounds like the health care is overstressed. Good that the new cases are going down though.

The deaths are already locked in.

It’s the new cases that are important.

(other than for people who know the dead people of course)

that’s right the death rate (trend) overshoots the case rate, death rate comes down later

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Sounds like the health care is overstressed. Good that the new cases are going down though.

The deaths are already locked in.

It’s the new cases that are important.

(other than for people who know the dead people of course)

that’s right the death rate (trend) overshoots the case rate, death rate comes down later

or lag

https://theconversation.com/federal-departments-had-no-specific-covid-plan-for-aged-care-royal-commission-counsel-144204

Australia’s aged care sector was “underprepared” to deal with the COVID-19 outbreak and federal authorities had no specific plan for it, according to a stinging indictment from Peter Rozen QC, senior counsel assisting the royal commission into aged care.

speaking of lag

Dark Orange said:

https://theconversation.com/federal-departments-had-no-specific-covid-plan-for-aged-care-royal-commission-counsel-144204

Australia’s aged care sector was “underprepared” to deal with the COVID-19 outbreak and federal authorities had no specific plan for it, according to a stinging indictment from Peter Rozen QC, senior counsel assisting the royal commission into aged care.

Australia’s aged care sector was unprepared for anything at all, other than reviewing operations to see how staff/resource/costs could be further cut to boost profits a bit more.

We seem to have reached 20 million already. I have not been checking much in the last week or two.

Interestingly, they reckon some 13.6 million cases are resolved for 734,000 deaths, a death rate of about 5% with the rest being declared as recovered. This is a bit lower than a few weeks ago where it was hovering around the 7 or 8% mark.

Weekly flutracking report.

Under 5 years are most strongly affected.

Worst in Queensland at 0.7% incidence.

And in Northern Territory. Best in Victoria and Tasmania.

Vaccination against the flu in Australia has been totally bleedin useless.

Over in New Zealand, worse incidence of Flu than Australia

https://www.facebook.com/NSWJBD/videos/958357177968954/

Dr Warren Lee is a Sydney doctor, who was completely healthy, an avid cyclist, and with no preconditions. Listen to his harrowing story of contracting COVID-19 and how it’s changed his life.

mollwollfumble said:

Weekly flutracking report.

Under 5 years are most strongly affected.

Worst in Queensland at 0.7% incidence.

And in Northern Territory. Best in Victoria and Tasmania.

Vaccination against the flu in Australia has been totally bleedin useless.

Over in New Zealand, worse incidence of Flu than Australia

killed it

except when they went “back to normal”, then they got more deaths from ‘flu’ than from COVID-19, omgomgomg

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

One of my writer friends submitted a synopsis to Screen Qld. They rejected it, saying they’ve been getting 3000-4000 a week since lockdown began.

Holy shit

What’s the usual incidence though ¿

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

One of my writer friends submitted a synopsis to Screen Qld. They rejected it, saying they’ve been getting 3000-4000 a week since lockdown began.

Holy shit

What’s the usual incidence though ¿

Well if it is at that level it means that there would be 2 million Australian screenplays in the last decade

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Holy shit

What’s the usual incidence though ¿

Well if it is at that level it means that there would be 2 million Australian screenplays in the last decade

I suppose some people are sending in screenplay after screenplay.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Holy shit

What’s the usual incidence though ¿

Well if it is at that level it means that there would be 2 million Australian screenplays in the last decade

…and just 22 million coronavirus deaths in the same time period.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

What’s the usual incidence though ¿

Well if it is at that level it means that there would be 2 million Australian screenplays in the last decade

I suppose some people are sending in screenplay after screenplay.

Infinite monkeys

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

It was a bit of a horror story.

sarahs mum said:

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

It was a bit of a horror story.

I’m still having problems believing it was Dan Andrews’s fault.

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

Can you explain some more here, please MS? The story we’re getting in Vic is a narrative about direct person-to-person cross infection and lapse of basic procedures.

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

SO we need quarantine centres with lino and plastic furniture?

Imagine, In An Age Of Epidemics And Restricted Travel, Investing In A New Kind Of Tourist Service, The Detention Centre Quarantine Hotel

SCIENCE said:

Imagine, In An Age Of Epidemics And Restricted Travel, Investing In A New Kind Of Tourist Service, The Detention Centre Quarantine Hotel

OK, I’m imagining it… what now?

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

Can you explain some more here, please MS? The story we’re getting in Vic is a narrative about direct person-to-person cross infection and lapse of basic procedures.

I heard someone say that some quarantined people were actively working out how to get around being ‘locked up’. That there was even a facebook group formed to discuss such measures. Can’t vouch for the accuracy of the last, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Imagine, In An Age Of Epidemics And Restricted Travel, Investing In A New Kind Of Tourist Service, The Detention Centre Quarantine Hotel

OK, I’m imagining it… what now?

buy buy buy

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Imagine, In An Age Of Epidemics And Restricted Travel, Investing In A New Kind Of Tourist Service, The Detention Centre Quarantine Hotel

OK, I’m imagining it… what now?

Hmmm. It could be floating. And a bit off shore, to discourage people from breaking quarantine. Oh, wait….

ruby said:

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

Can you explain some more here, please MS? The story we’re getting in Vic is a narrative about direct person-to-person cross infection and lapse of basic procedures.

I heard someone say that some quarantined people were actively working out how to get around being ‘locked up’. That there was even a facebook group formed to discuss such measures. Can’t vouch for the accuracy of the last, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

With 25% of people not following self quarantine procedures while waiting for test results and/or after testing positive, hotel quarantine might be the least of our problems.

So should we be subsidising workers whose work is unviable in a pandemic world, but not subsidising coal industries that are unviable in a warmed globe with renewable future ¿

Witty Rejoinder said:

ruby said:

Rule 303 said:

Can you explain some more here, please MS? The story we’re getting in Vic is a narrative about direct person-to-person cross infection and lapse of basic procedures.

I heard someone say that some quarantined people were actively working out how to get around being ‘locked up’. That there was even a facebook group formed to discuss such measures. Can’t vouch for the accuracy of the last, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

With 25% of people not following self quarantine procedures while waiting for test results and/or after testing positive, hotel quarantine might be the least of our problems.

I think I would have tried to escape from the crazy floor too.

Witty Rejoinder said:

ruby said:

Rule 303 said:

Can you explain some more here, please MS? The story we’re getting in Vic is a narrative about direct person-to-person cross infection and lapse of basic procedures.

I heard someone say that some quarantined people were actively working out how to get around being ‘locked up’. That there was even a facebook group formed to discuss such measures. Can’t vouch for the accuracy of the last, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

With 25% of people not following self quarantine procedures while waiting for test results and/or after testing positive, hotel quarantine might be the least of our problems.

OK, sloppy reasoning aside, I broadly agree that we enjoy such a high degree of personal liberty and have such faith in our medical community that we often behave in reckless ways.

Witty Rejoinder said:

ruby said:

Rule 303 said:

Can you explain some more here, please MS? The story we’re getting in Vic is a narrative about direct person-to-person cross infection and lapse of basic procedures.

I heard someone say that some quarantined people were actively working out how to get around being ‘locked up’. That there was even a facebook group formed to discuss such measures. Can’t vouch for the accuracy of the last, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

With 25% of people not following self quarantine procedures while waiting for test results and/or after testing positive, hotel quarantine might be the least of our problems.

The guests said the hygiene was poor. It was obvious in the rooms from a few previous issues with hotels not just in Victoria that basic aspect wasn’t managed either.

If corona virus was able to live in the air and on surfaces then lack of clincial standard cleaning or having surrounds that can be cleaned to that standard was never going to help reduce the risks is what I meant.

Quarantine perhaps could’ve been in closed bed wards or another type of building where access to floors ,walls and bedding that can be cleaned to a clinical standard as well as the security staff trained to manage people better.

The grading of cleaning staff needs to be revisited for places where people stay for longer periods and use the bedding etc …any accommodation needs to be like the hospital standards for laundering etc etc

monkey skipper said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ruby said:

I heard someone say that some quarantined people were actively working out how to get around being ‘locked up’. That there was even a facebook group formed to discuss such measures. Can’t vouch for the accuracy of the last, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

With 25% of people not following self quarantine procedures while waiting for test results and/or after testing positive, hotel quarantine might be the least of our problems.

The guests said the hygiene was poor. It was obvious in the rooms from a few previous issues with hotels not just in Victoria that basic aspect wasn’t managed either.

If corona virus was able to live in the air and on surfaces then lack of clincial standard cleaning or having surrounds that can be cleaned to that standard was never going to help reduce the risks is what I meant.

Quarantine perhaps could’ve been in closed bed wards or another type of building where access to floors ,walls and bedding that can be cleaned to a clinical standard as well as the security staff trained to manage people better.

It’s a good question: What’s the difference between a hotel room where the occupant might be infected and a hospital room where they are?

My GP, who has been in the game for 40 years, tells me he’s reported hundreds of ‘notifiable’ diagnoses to the department, as required, and never yet heard anything back about what he’s supposed to do next, nor ever had any follow-up from them.

That’s just what we need, highly intelligent and educated healthcare professionals who blindly follow the rules and guidelines and what they’ve taught to do without ever getting feedback or understanding the background or backend to the rules and guidelines and what they’ve been taught to do.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

SO we need quarantine centres with lino and plastic furniture?

It is a lot easier to wipe down those types of furniture .. corona can live on metal and plastic surfaces as well as they say but think about all of the cloth furniture and all of the tourists that went through the hotels prior to Australia locking down their borders? Did we is essence send people into accommodation where the Corona viruses where sitting on surfaces and aided the transmission risks rather than lowering them? Albeit accidentally.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

SO we need quarantine centres with lino and plastic furniture?

It is a lot easier to wipe down those types of furniture .. corona can live on metal and plastic surfaces as well as they say but think about all of the cloth furniture and all of the tourists that went through the hotels prior to Australia locking down their borders? Did we is essence send people into accommodation where the Corona viruses where sitting on surfaces and aided the transmission risks rather than lowering them? Albeit accidentally.

The furniture really needs to be comfy, otherwise the guards who end up having conjugal relations with the inmates may end up with rashes and such.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

I just watched a critical account of what the hotel protocols were for quarantine.

None of this surprises me. For the simple reason that the materials in the majority like the carpets and material furnishings aren’t suitable for infection control at all.

The Leukaemia Foundation understands that due reduce infection risks it required purpose designed lounges , bedding and flooring .

SO we need quarantine centres with lino and plastic furniture?

It is a lot easier to wipe down those types of furniture .. corona can live on metal and plastic surfaces as well as they say but think about all of the cloth furniture and all of the tourists that went through the hotels prior to Australia locking down their borders? Did we is essence send people into accommodation where the Corona viruses where sitting on surfaces and aided the transmission risks rather than lowering them? Albeit accidentally.

To be fair, commercial cleaning mobs already had good quality deep cleaning regimes (including soft furnishings, which it must be observed, are usually treated with hydro and oleo phobic residual coatings) freely available in late February. I’ve got them, if you want proof.

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

SO we need quarantine centres with lino and plastic furniture?

It is a lot easier to wipe down those types of furniture .. corona can live on metal and plastic surfaces as well as they say but think about all of the cloth furniture and all of the tourists that went through the hotels prior to Australia locking down their borders? Did we is essence send people into accommodation where the Corona viruses where sitting on surfaces and aided the transmission risks rather than lowering them? Albeit accidentally.

To be fair, commercial cleaning mobs already had good quality deep cleaning regimes (including soft furnishings, which it must be observed, are usually treated with hydro and oleo phobic residual coatings) freely available in late February. I’ve got them, if you want proof.

Be that as it may but the guests said the standard of cleaning was bad. My guess is we should listen to those there on the ground. Cancer patients shouldn’t have been sent there as was reported in the past few weeks.. Some of the cancer organisations should liaise with the government in regards to what accommodation is available to those patients travelling to receive treatments etc

monkey skipper said:

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

It is a lot easier to wipe down those types of furniture .. corona can live on metal and plastic surfaces as well as they say but think about all of the cloth furniture and all of the tourists that went through the hotels prior to Australia locking down their borders? Did we is essence send people into accommodation where the Corona viruses where sitting on surfaces and aided the transmission risks rather than lowering them? Albeit accidentally.

To be fair, commercial cleaning mobs already had good quality deep cleaning regimes (including soft furnishings, which it must be observed, are usually treated with hydro and oleo phobic residual coatings) freely available in late February. I’ve got them, if you want proof.

Be that as it may but the guests said the standard of cleaning was bad. My guess is we should listen to those there on the ground. Cancer patients shouldn’t have been sent there as was reported in the past few weeks.. Some of the cancer organisations should liaise with the government in regards to what accommodation is available to those patients travelling to receive treatments etc

Yeah, it’s easy to sit back and judge, innit?

I predict that in the near future they’ll all go to Dame Phyllis Frost. The government will decide that it’s a lot safer to let a bunch of women who are in gaol for minor drug offenses back into the community (on parole) than trying to contain Corona in a hotel.

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

Rule 303 said:

To be fair, commercial cleaning mobs already had good quality deep cleaning regimes (including soft furnishings, which it must be observed, are usually treated with hydro and oleo phobic residual coatings) freely available in late February. I’ve got them, if you want proof.

Be that as it may but the guests said the standard of cleaning was bad. My guess is we should listen to those there on the ground. Cancer patients shouldn’t have been sent there as was reported in the past few weeks.. Some of the cancer organisations should liaise with the government in regards to what accommodation is available to those patients travelling to receive treatments etc

Yeah, it’s easy to sit back and judge, innit?

I predict that in the near future they’ll all go to Dame Phyllis Frost. The government will decide that it’s a lot safer to let a bunch of women who are in gaol for minor drug offenses back into the community (on parole) than trying to contain Corona in a hotel.

Yeah, it’s easy to sit back and judge, innit?

Sure, people make judgements all the time.

There are a lot of people looking at what went wrong to then turn this around. There is nothing wrong in doing that.

shrugs

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

SO we need quarantine centres with lino and plastic furniture?

It is a lot easier to wipe down those types of furniture .. corona can live on metal and plastic surfaces as well as they say but think about all of the cloth furniture and all of the tourists that went through the hotels prior to Australia locking down their borders? Did we is essence send people into accommodation where the Corona viruses where sitting on surfaces and aided the transmission risks rather than lowering them? Albeit accidentally.

To be fair, commercial cleaning mobs already had good quality deep cleaning regimes (including soft furnishings, which it must be observed, are usually treated with hydro and oleo phobic residual coatings) freely available in late February. I’ve got them, if you want proof.

(by ‘late February’ I meant March 12th)

That’s still OK, right?

Rule 303 said:

It’s a good question: What’s the difference between a hotel room where the occupant might be infected and a hospital room where they are?

My GP, who has been in the game for 40 years, tells me he’s reported hundreds of ‘notifiable’ diagnoses to the department, as required, and never yet heard anything back about what he’s supposed to do next, nor ever had any follow-up from them.

> It’s a good question: What’s the difference between a hotel room where the occupant might be infected and a hospital room where they are?

That is a good question. Usually, people are good at knowing the difference between whether they have a deadly disease or not. Authorities, on the other hand, couldn’t care less.

> My GP, who has been in the game for 40 years, tells me he’s reported hundreds of ‘notifiable’ diagnoses to the department, as required, and never yet heard anything back about what he’s supposed to do next, nor ever had any follow-up from them.

That’s an eye-opener for me. Notifiable diseases from https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cdna-casedefinitions.htm

A
Anthrax 2004 Anthrax
Australian bat lyssavirus 2004 Australian bat lyssavirus infection
Avian influenza in humans (AIH) 1 July 2015
B
Barmah Forest virus infection 1 January 2016 Alphavirus and flavivirus
Botulism 2004 Botulism
Brucellosis 1 July 2016 Brucellosis
C
Campylobacteriosis 2004 Campylobacter
Chikungunya 12 May 2010
Chlamydial infection 1 July 2013 Chlamydia
Cholera 2004 Cholera
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) 16 December 2009
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease – variant (vCJD) 16 December 2009
Cryptosporidiosis 2004 Cryptosporidiosis
D
Dengue virus infection 1 January 2017 Alphavirus and flavivirus
Diphtheria 1 January 2017 Diphtheria
Donovanosis 2004 Donovanosis
F
Flavivirus infection – (unspecified) including Zika virus infection case definition 1 January 2016 Alphavirus and flavivirus
G
Gonococcal infection 1 January 2019 Gonorrhoea
H
Haemolytic uraemic syndrome (HUS) 2004
Haemophilus influenzae serotype b (Hib) (invasive only) 2014
Hepatitis A 1 January 2013
Hepatitis B newly acquired 1 July 2015
Hepatitis B unspecified 1 July 2015
Hepatitis C newly acquired 1 January 2015
Hepatitis C unspecified 2004
Hepatitis D 2004
Hepatitis E 1 July 2015
Hepatitis (not elsewhere classified) 2004
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection – individuals less than 18 months of age 2004
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection – newly acquired 2004
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection – unspecified individuals over 18 months of age 2004
Human coronavirus with pandemic potential (COVID-19) 2020
I
Influenza (laboratory-confirmed) 29 Oct 2008 Influenza
J
Japanese encephalitis virus infection 12 May 2010 Alphavirus and flavivirus
L
Legionellosis 1 January 2013 Legionella
Leprosy (Hansen’s disease) 1 January 2013
Leptospiriosis 2004 Leptospirosis
Listeriosis 1 January 2017 Listeria
Lyssavirus (not elsewhere classified) 2004
M
Malaria 2004 Malaria
Measles 1 July 2019 Measles
Meningococcal infection (invasive) 30 Sept 2009 Meningococcal infections
Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (MERS-CoV 1 July 2016
Mumps 2004
Murray Valley encephalitis virus infection 12 May 2010
P
Paratyphoid 1 January 2016
Pertussis (whooping cough) 1 July 2013 Pertussis
Plague 2004 Plague
Pneumococcal disease (invasive) 2004 Pneumococcal disease (invasive)
Poliovirus infection 7 July 2015 Poliovirus
Psittacosis (Ornithosis) 1 July 2018
Q
Q fever 2004 Q fever
R
Rabies 2004
Ross River virus infection 1 January 2016 Alphavirus and flavivirus
Rotavirus 1 July 2018
Rubella 1 July 2019 Rubella
Rubella (congenital) 1 January 2016 Rubella (congenital)
S
Salmonellosis 1 January 2016 Salmonella
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) 2004
Shiga toxin-producing Escherichia coli (STEC) 1 July 2016 Shiga-like toxigenic Escherichia coli
Shigellosis 1 July 2018 Shigellosis
Smallpox 1 July 2019 Smallpox
Syphilis (congenital) 1 July 2015 Syphilis
Syphilis – infectious less than 2 years duration (includes primary, secondary and early latent) 1 July 2015 Syphilis
Syphilis (more than 2 years or unknown duration) 1 January 2011 Syphilis
T
Tetanus 1 January 2012 Tetanus
Tuberculosis 1 January 2011 Tuberculosis
Tularaemia 29 Oct 2008 Tularaemia
Typhoid 1 January 2012
V
Varicella zoster (chickenpox) 1 January 2018
Varicella zoster (shingles) 1 January 2018
Varicella zoster infection (not elsewhere classified) 1 January 2018
Viral haemorrhagic fevers (quarantinable) 6 November 2014
W
West Nile/Kunjin virus infection 12 May 2010 Alphavirus and flavivirus
Y
Yellow fever 1 January 2013

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

Rule 303 said:

To be fair, commercial cleaning mobs already had good quality deep cleaning regimes (including soft furnishings, which it must be observed, are usually treated with hydro and oleo phobic residual coatings) freely available in late February. I’ve got them, if you want proof.

Be that as it may but the guests said the standard of cleaning was bad. My guess is we should listen to those there on the ground. Cancer patients shouldn’t have been sent there as was reported in the past few weeks.. Some of the cancer organisations should liaise with the government in regards to what accommodation is available to those patients travelling to receive treatments etc

Yeah, it’s easy to sit back and judge, innit?

I predict that in the near future they’ll all go to Dame Phyllis Frost. The government will decide that it’s a lot safer to let a bunch of women who are in gaol for minor drug offenses back into the community (on parole) than trying to contain Corona in a hotel.

Although I agree with Rule here, in the beginning there were too many people needing hotel quarantine and things were done in a hurry. Now it would be possible to use DPF facilities. But we’ve discussed this before…infectious diseases and quarantine facilities need to be on standby – could be used for other things when not needed.

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

monkey skipper said:

It is a lot easier to wipe down those types of furniture .. corona can live on metal and plastic surfaces as well as they say but think about all of the cloth furniture and all of the tourists that went through the hotels prior to Australia locking down their borders? Did we is essence send people into accommodation where the Corona viruses where sitting on surfaces and aided the transmission risks rather than lowering them? Albeit accidentally.

To be fair, commercial cleaning mobs already had good quality deep cleaning regimes (including soft furnishings, which it must be observed, are usually treated with hydro and oleo phobic residual coatings) freely available in late February. I’ve got them, if you want proof.

(by ‘late February’ I meant March 12th)

That’s still OK, right?

From what I understood, the virus doesn’t live very long at all on soft surfaces but far longer on hard surfaces.

like Immigration Detention, like

More From The Highly Intelligent And Educated

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/victoria-coronavirus-cases-weeks-away-from-reduced-restrictions/12542272

It is the highest number of new infections recorded in a day in NSW in almost four months — the last figure this high was on April 16, with 29 cases.

“At least a third, or eight, of those are from the new cluster at the Tangara School,” Ms Berejiklian said.”

Keep schools open eh.

In a time when we have to be isolated, we do have the internet and it is capable of helping us stay sane if we eliminate posts that contain words like ‘spiracy or Karen, from our reading list.

roughbarked said:

It is the highest number of new infections recorded in a day in NSW in almost four months — the last figure this high was on April 16, with 29 cases.

“At least a third, or eight, of those are from the new cluster at the Tangara School,” Ms Berejiklian said.”

Keep schools open eh.

In a time when we have to be isolated, we do have the internet and it is capable of helping us stay sane if we eliminate posts that contain words like ‘spiracy or Karen, from our reading list.

The virus will never be contained until we forget trying to make the world as it was before. The present reality is, imo, irreversible.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

It is the highest number of new infections recorded in a day in NSW in almost four months — the last figure this high was on April 16, with 29 cases.

“At least a third, or eight, of those are from the new cluster at the Tangara School,” Ms Berejiklian said.”

Keep schools open eh.

In a time when we have to be isolated, we do have the internet and it is capable of helping us stay sane if we eliminate posts that contain words like ‘spiracy or Karen, from our reading list.

The virus will never be contained until we forget trying to make the world as it was before. The present reality is, imo, irreversible.

Fair.

School that suspended students for taking photos temporarily shuts down after 9 COVID cases

BYMARK PYGAS

UPDATED 15 HOURS AGO

A school that briefly suspended two students for taking photos and videos of crowded hallways has temporarily closed down for a deep cleaning after three staff members and six students tested positive for coronavirus just one week into reopening.

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https://megaphone.upworthy.com/p/school-shuts-down-covid-cases

Jesus

They get paid to wear masks, the rest of us have to buy them, and then they want free parking as well, WTF¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/melbourne-icu-doctor-gets-parking-fine-after-treating-covid-19/12544782

“Tasmania has detected a new coronavirus case, Premier Peter Gutwein has announced.

The case is a man in his 60s in the North-West Regional Hospital in Burnie.

Authorities said the man had been in Melbourne for medical treatment before being transported back to Tasmania.

He had previously tested negative before recording a positive test upon returning to Tasmania.

It is the state’s first case in 20 days.”

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Oops.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/tasmania-new-coronavirus-case/12547168

Michael V said:

“Tasmania has detected a new coronavirus case, Premier Peter Gutwein has announced.

The case is a man in his 60s in the North-West Regional Hospital in Burnie.

Authorities said the man had been in Melbourne for medical treatment before being transported back to Tasmania.

He had previously tested negative before recording a positive test upon returning to Tasmania.

It is the state’s first case in 20 days.”

……………………………………………………………

Oops.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/tasmania-new-coronavirus-case/12547168

don’t worry flock immunity will actually save them this time

—

The hospital was at the centre of a coronavirus outbreak in April which was found to have started after people from the Ruby Princess cruise ship were admitted in late March.

A report into the outbreak found that three quarters of hospital’s healthcare staff, who later tested positive, worked during the period when they were infectious.

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

Rule 303 said:

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

Wait, what?

Rule 303 said:

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

LOLs.

Rule 303 said:

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

yep.

Rule 303 said:

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

Yep and that’s why they didn’t need to drop the Atomic bomb.
They didn’t need to drop it, they just wanted to drop it, they used the people of Gallipoli as guinea rabbits.

Tasmania.

One.

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Tasmania has detected a new coronavirus case, Premier Peter Gutwein has announced.

The case is a man in his 60s in the North West Regional Hospital in Burnie.

Authorities said the man had been in Melbourne for medical treatment before being transported back to Tasmania.

He had previously tested negative before recording a positive test upon returning to Tasmania.

“I’m advised that the man was admitted under all appropriate infection control protocols,” Mr Gutwein said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/tasmania-new-coronavirus-case/12547168

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/doctors-warn-of-coronavirus-in-victorian-healthcare-workers/12544884

They might want to be a bit careful about blaming the workplace if a good percentage are picking it up in the community or from family.

>>Today, Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos told a Public Accounts and Estimates committee it was “difficult to be that precise about the source of infection” among medical staff, but went some way to explain the situation.

While the exact figures have not yet been released, she told the hearing: “Roughly 10 to 15 per cent of those cases have been acquired in the workplace.” <<

From that link.

Rule 303 said:

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

It so hard to do satire, if that is reality.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/doctors-warn-of-coronavirus-in-victorian-healthcare-workers/12544884

They might want to be a bit careful about blaming the workplace if a good percentage are picking it up in the community or from family.

>>Today, Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos told a Public Accounts and Estimates committee it was “difficult to be that precise about the source of infection” among medical staff, but went some way to explain the situation.

While the exact figures have not yet been released, she told the hearing: “Roughly 10 to 15 per cent of those cases have been acquired in the workplace.” <<

From that link.

fair enough, that’s 10% or 15% out of 25% of new cases with known sources, rest under investigation, so we’d expect about half of healthcare worker infections to turn out to be from their workplace right

that does sound dangerous

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

Wait, what?

oh, it’s just that Donald Trump is an idiot.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

“The closest thing is in 1917, they say, the great pandemic. It certainly was a terrible thing, where they lost anywhere from 50-100 million people. Probably ended the Second World War. All the soldiers were sick,” Mr Trump said.

Wait, what?

oh, it’s just that Donald Trump is an idiot.

I read that aloud and Mini Me said, “that’s silly.” So it seems Trump is less smart than Mini Me.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Wait, what?

oh, it’s just that Donald Trump is an idiot.

I read that aloud and Mini Me said, “that’s silly.” So it seems Trump is less smart than Mini Me.

So does she know all of European history, or are you working from the present day backwards?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

oh, it’s just that Donald Trump is an idiot.

I read that aloud and Mini Me said, “that’s silly.” So it seems Trump is less smart than Mini Me.

So does she know all of European history, or are you working from the present day backwards?

Surely it’s a pisstake?

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to make an emergency late-night announcement shortly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-live-blog-tuesday-august-11-victoria-19-deaths/12543432

sibeen said:

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to make an emergency late-night announcement shortly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-live-blog-tuesday-august-11-victoria-19-deaths/12543432

To be expected, I suppose.

But imagine Trump making an emergency late-night announcement about four new cases.

sibeen said:

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to make an emergency late-night announcement shortly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-live-blog-tuesday-august-11-victoria-19-deaths/12543432

Everybody is to stay home aliens are coming.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to make an emergency late-night announcement shortly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-live-blog-tuesday-august-11-victoria-19-deaths/12543432

To be expected, I suppose.

But imagine Trump making an emergency late-night announcement about four new cases.

Trump

I have very bad news, very bad.

Its very bad news.

I recall a story of a hero who broke protocol and took his men to safety.

I admire people like that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sibeen said:

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to make an emergency late-night announcement shortly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-live-blog-tuesday-august-11-victoria-19-deaths/12543432

Everybody is to stay home aliens are coming.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sibeen said:

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to make an emergency late-night announcement shortly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-live-blog-tuesday-august-11-victoria-19-deaths/12543432

Everybody is to stay home aliens are coming.

Auckland will enter a four-day “level 3” lockdown while the cases are investigated, Ms Ardern says.

Horrible, they should do it the right way like Victoria did, hold off on any restrictions until the investigation shows us that the sources really can’t be identified.

Covid is back: Lockdown for Auckland, level 2 for rest of NZ

Link (opens article)

Ok but why lockdown for only 3 days?

Two decades of pandemic war games failed to account for Donald Trump

The scenarios foresaw leaky travel bans, a scramble for vaccines and disputes between state and federal leaders, but none could anticipate the current levels of dysfunction in the United States.

Like all pandemics, it started out small. A novel coronavirus emerged in Brazil, jumping from bats to pigs to farmers before making its way to a big city with an international airport. From there, infected travellers carried it to the United States, Portugal and China. Within 18 months, the coronavirus had spread around the world, 65 million people were dead and the global economy was in free fall.

This fictitious scenario, dubbed Event 201, played out in a New York City conference centre before a panel of academics, government officials and business leaders last October. Those in attendance were shaken — which is what Ryan Morhard wanted. A biosecurity specialist at the World Economic Forum in Geneva, Switzerland, Morhard worried that world leaders weren’t taking the threat of a pandemic seriously enough. He wanted to force them to confront the potentially immense human and economic toll of a global outbreak. “We called it Event 201 because we’re seeing up to 200 epidemic events per year, and we knew that, eventually, one would cause a pandemic,” Morhard says.

The timing, and the choice of a coronavirus, proved prescient. Just two months later, China reported a mysterious pneumonia outbreak in the city of Wuhan — the start of the COVID-19 pandemic that has so far killed around 650,000 people.

Morhard was not the only one sounding the alarm. Event 201 was one of dozens of simulations and evaluations over the past two decades that have highlighted the risks of a pandemic and identified gaps in the ability of governments and organizations around the world to respond.

The exercises anticipated several failures that have played out in the management of COVID-19, including leaky travel bans, medical-equipment shortages, massive disorganization, misinformation and a scramble for vaccines. But the scenarios didn’t anticipate some of the problems that have plagued the pandemic response, such as a shortfall of diagnostic tests, and world leaders who reject the advice of public-health specialists.

Most strikingly, biosecurity researchers didn’t predict that the United States would be among the hardest-hit countries. On the contrary, last year, leaders in the field ranked the United States top in the Global Health Security Index, which graded 195 countries in terms of how well prepared they were to fight outbreaks, on the basis of more than 100 factors. President Donald Trump even held up a copy of the report during a White House briefing on 27 February, declaring: “We’re rated number one.” As he spoke, SARS-CoV-2 was already spreading undetected across the country.

Now, as COVID-19 cases in the United States surpass 4 million, with more than 150,000 deaths, the country has proved itself to be one of the most dysfunctional. Morhard and other biosecurity specialists are asking what went wrong — why did dozens of simulations, evaluations and white papers fail to predict or defend against the colossal missteps taken in the world’s wealthiest nation? By contrast, some countries that hadn’t ranked nearly so high in evaluations, such as Vietnam, executed swift, cohesive responses.

The scenarios still hold lessons for how to curb this pandemic, and for how to respond better next time. Deadly pandemics are inevitable, says Tom Frieden, a former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). “What’s not inevitable is that we will continue to be so underprepared.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02277-6

Has Ardern had her press conference yet?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Has Ardern had her press conference yet?

Yes. Four new cases in NZ.

So, all you brainy brains, what is it?

Someone froze their body fluids and reactivated them?
COVID-19 mutated to mild and then back again?
Virus didn’t die on hard surface as expected?
Some other coronavirus that crossreacted?
Silent community transmission?
Lied to the contact tracers?
Research accident?
It’s in their wildlife?
Electioneering?

SCIENCE said:

So, all you brainy brains, what is it?

Someone froze their body fluids and reactivated them?
COVID-19 mutated to mild and then back again?
Virus didn’t die on hard surface as expected?
Some other coronavirus that crossreacted?
Silent community transmission?
Lied to the contact tracers?
Research accident?
It’s in their wildlife?
Electioneering?

As to your last point it can only be agent provocateurs of the New Zealand National Party at play.

twiddles end of moustache

We grow people’s opium everywhere, but this doesn’t seem quite correct; any of you have the correct mapping ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/nsw-coronavirus-schools-outbreaks-tip-of-the-iceberg/12546084

Religious retreat at centre of Sydney school’s growing coronavirus cluster

A leading infectious disease expert warns an outbreak at a school in Sydney’s north-west may mean coronavirus is more widespread in NSW than first thought.

The source of the cluster remains under investigation, but health authorities are probing whether a retreat several students attended at the Eremeran Hills Study Centre, 100km south-west of Sydney, is a factor. A school spokesman said it had not held any camps since March, but could not confirm whether students had conducted their own retreat.

That’s not 100 km SW of Sydney.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/auckland-coronavirus-lockdown-after-new-cases-appear/12548500

Panic buying. Lordy, lordy, lordy.

I declare my “Fatima” face veil fit for purpose for dog walking in the wilds. I played around with some old sheet material and adapted the facemask pattern to leave it loose at the bottom, like a belly dancer’s veil. It works. I’ll not use it when I go shopping in Hamilton – unless I get onto doing a pretty embroidered and beaded version. The ordinary cloth mask works for short term, non exertion purposes.

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/auckland-coronavirus-lockdown-after-new-cases-appear/12548500

Panic buying. Lordy, lordy, lordy.

It’s like people never learn.

So what’s the forum verdict on this?

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/theyre-just-looking-for-a-fight-man-responds-after-girlfriends-dramatic-arrest-c-1232316

SCIENCE said:

We grow people’s opium everywhere, but this doesn’t seem quite correct; any of you have the correct mapping ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/nsw-coronavirus-schools-outbreaks-tip-of-the-iceberg/12546084

Religious retreat at centre of Sydney school’s growing coronavirus cluster

A leading infectious disease expert warns an outbreak at a school in Sydney’s north-west may mean coronavirus is more widespread in NSW than first thought.

The source of the cluster remains under investigation, but health authorities are probing whether a retreat several students attended at the Eremeran Hills Study Centre, 100km south-west of Sydney, is a factor. A school spokesman said it had not held any camps since March, but could not confirm whether students had conducted their own retreat.

That’s not 100 km SW of Sydney.

Maybe they have a separate retreat for the kids to retreat to when necessary.

Bubblecar said:

So what’s the forum verdict on this?

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/theyre-just-looking-for-a-fight-man-responds-after-girlfriends-dramatic-arrest-c-1232316

? the possession of a middle finger is not an exemption and belligerently displaying it is probably an excessive if not painful response to mask checks ¿

Bubblecar said:

So what’s the forum verdict on this?

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/theyre-just-looking-for-a-fight-man-responds-after-girlfriends-dramatic-arrest-c-1232316

I saw a lot more video of this incident, shot from three angles. I don’t know why the cop was holding her by the neck and marching her up the street. Doesn’t make sense, except that she aggressively provoked him, so maybe he lost his composure?

I’m really glad my job doesn’t involve the bullshit she & the partner were dishing out to the cops.

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

So what’s the forum verdict on this?

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/theyre-just-looking-for-a-fight-man-responds-after-girlfriends-dramatic-arrest-c-1232316

I saw a lot more video of this incident, shot from three angles. I don’t know why the cop was holding her by the neck and marching her up the street. Doesn’t make sense, except that she aggressively provoked him, so maybe he lost his composure?

I’m really glad my job doesn’t involve the bullshit she & the partner were dishing out to the cops.

Agreed.

By the same token, what is it with police these days that they go straight for the throat?

Yes, it’s an effective combat move. But, is this really combat? A big copper can’t manage a small girl without grabbing her throat?

Any attack on the throat is a guaranteed high risk of doing really serious damage. Surely police should be taught that it’s a move of last resort, a life-and-death tactic?

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

So what’s the forum verdict on this?

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/theyre-just-looking-for-a-fight-man-responds-after-girlfriends-dramatic-arrest-c-1232316

I saw a lot more video of this incident, shot from three angles. I don’t know why the cop was holding her by the neck and marching her up the street. Doesn’t make sense, except that she aggressively provoked him, so maybe he lost his composure?

I’m really glad my job doesn’t involve the bullshit she & the partner were dishing out to the cops.

Agreed.

By the same token, what is it with police these days that they go straight for the throat?

Yes, it’s an effective combat move. But, is this really combat? A big copper can’t manage a small girl without grabbing her throat?

Any attack on the throat is a guaranteed high risk of doing really serious damage. Surely police should be taught that it’s a move of last resort, a life-and-death tactic?

You think a hard wack in the stomach with a baton would be a first move

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

So what’s the forum verdict on this?

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/theyre-just-looking-for-a-fight-man-responds-after-girlfriends-dramatic-arrest-c-1232316

I saw a lot more video of this incident, shot from three angles. I don’t know why the cop was holding her by the neck and marching her up the street. Doesn’t make sense, except that she aggressively provoked him, so maybe he lost his composure?

I’m really glad my job doesn’t involve the bullshit she & the partner were dishing out to the cops.

Agreed.

By the same token, what is it with police these days that they go straight for the throat?

Yes, it’s an effective combat move. But, is this really combat? A big copper can’t manage a small girl without grabbing her throat?

Any attack on the throat is a guaranteed high risk of doing really serious damage. Surely police should be taught that it’s a move of last resort, a life-and-death tactic?

Ahhh, I had no idea it was a practiced maneuver. It’s a very effective way to control a person, I guess.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

I saw a lot more video of this incident, shot from three angles. I don’t know why the cop was holding her by the neck and marching her up the street. Doesn’t make sense, except that she aggressively provoked him, so maybe he lost his composure?

I’m really glad my job doesn’t involve the bullshit she & the partner were dishing out to the cops.

Agreed.

By the same token, what is it with police these days that they go straight for the throat?

Yes, it’s an effective combat move. But, is this really combat? A big copper can’t manage a small girl without grabbing her throat?

Any attack on the throat is a guaranteed high risk of doing really serious damage. Surely police should be taught that it’s a move of last resort, a life-and-death tactic?

You think a hard wack in the stomach with a baton would be a first move

Hmmmm… Nah.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

I saw a lot more video of this incident, shot from three angles. I don’t know why the cop was holding her by the neck and marching her up the street. Doesn’t make sense, except that she aggressively provoked him, so maybe he lost his composure?

I’m really glad my job doesn’t involve the bullshit she & the partner were dishing out to the cops.

Agreed.

By the same token, what is it with police these days that they go straight for the throat?

Yes, it’s an effective combat move. But, is this really combat? A big copper can’t manage a small girl without grabbing her throat?

Any attack on the throat is a guaranteed high risk of doing really serious damage. Surely police should be taught that it’s a move of last resort, a life-and-death tactic?

You think a hard wack in the stomach with a baton would be a first move

That could bring on a miscarriage.

Rule 303 said:

Ahhh, I had no idea it was a practiced maneuver. It’s a very effective way to control a person, I guess.

It is, but does it have to be the first tactic employed?

It’s a manoeuvre that you can use to send a message: “i’m dominating here. I can do whatever i want to you. i can kill you like this.” It can be an ego trip as much as anything else.

Also, it’s a manoeuvre that’s just about guaranteed to provoke an extreme reaction from the associates of the person being subjected to it. Seeing your friend/partner grabbed by the throat and shoved around is bound to provoke a visceral reaction, and to propel you into trying to protect them. If you’re looking for a way to escalate a situation (and give you/your offsider an excuse to wallop the bystander), then grabbing someone by the throat is a dead cert.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Agreed.

By the same token, what is it with police these days that they go straight for the throat?

Yes, it’s an effective combat move. But, is this really combat? A big copper can’t manage a small girl without grabbing her throat?

Any attack on the throat is a guaranteed high risk of doing really serious damage. Surely police should be taught that it’s a move of last resort, a life-and-death tactic?

You think a hard wack in the stomach with a baton would be a first move

That could bring on a miscarriage.

Yes I was thinking that’s a possibility

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

You think a hard wack in the stomach with a baton would be a first move

That could bring on a miscarriage.

Yes I was thinking that’s a possibility

A good medium-hard whack to the thigh with a baton usually gets their attention, and effectively disables them temporarily. That bloke in Oregon who stoodthere while the goon walloped him is an exceptional exception.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

You think a hard wack in the stomach with a baton would be a first move

That could bring on a miscarriage.

Yes I was thinking that’s a possibility

Or rupture an appendix.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

That could bring on a miscarriage.

Yes I was thinking that’s a possibility

Or rupture an appendix.

There is a lot of dangerous rupturing that could occur here. My dad had to have his entire bowels removed so that the intestines could be untangled and joined back up after a tractor crankhadle got him in the guts while backfiring. 19 major hernia operations ensued over the 16 years afterwards.

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

Ahhh, I had no idea it was a practiced maneuver. It’s a very effective way to control a person, I guess.

It is, but does it have to be the first tactic employed?

It’s a manoeuvre that you can use to send a message: “i’m dominating here. I can do whatever i want to you. i can kill you like this.” It can be an ego trip as much as anything else.

Also, it’s a manoeuvre that’s just about guaranteed to provoke an extreme reaction from the associates of the person being subjected to it. Seeing your friend/partner grabbed by the throat and shoved around is bound to provoke a visceral reaction, and to propel you into trying to protect them. If you’re looking for a way to escalate a situation (and give you/your offsider an excuse to wallop the bystander), then grabbing someone by the throat is a dead cert.

Yeah, strange.

I was taught how to break that hold by a mate who is a maximum martial arts expert. It involves breaking the olecranon process on both elbows and kicking the attackers balls up into their throat. I can only hope the cops don’t try it on the wrong person.

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

Ahhh, I had no idea it was a practiced maneuver. It’s a very effective way to control a person, I guess.

It is, but does it have to be the first tactic employed?

It’s a manoeuvre that you can use to send a message: “i’m dominating here. I can do whatever i want to you. i can kill you like this.” It can be an ego trip as much as anything else.

Also, it’s a manoeuvre that’s just about guaranteed to provoke an extreme reaction from the associates of the person being subjected to it. Seeing your friend/partner grabbed by the throat and shoved around is bound to provoke a visceral reaction, and to propel you into trying to protect them. If you’re looking for a way to escalate a situation (and give you/your offsider an excuse to wallop the bystander), then grabbing someone by the throat is a dead cert.

Yeah, strange.

I was taught how to break that hold by a mate who is a maximum martial arts expert. It involves breaking the olecranon process on both elbows and kicking the attackers balls up into their throat. I can only hope the cops don’t try it on the wrong person.

All the UA combat/martial arts teachers i’ve seentell you that if you employ a hold from the front, then you’re making yourself a target, putting yourself in range of the widest selection of possible counterattacks and damage. Does this get a mention in police training?

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

It is, but does it have to be the first tactic employed?

It’s a manoeuvre that you can use to send a message: “i’m dominating here. I can do whatever i want to you. i can kill you like this.” It can be an ego trip as much as anything else.

Also, it’s a manoeuvre that’s just about guaranteed to provoke an extreme reaction from the associates of the person being subjected to it. Seeing your friend/partner grabbed by the throat and shoved around is bound to provoke a visceral reaction, and to propel you into trying to protect them. If you’re looking for a way to escalate a situation (and give you/your offsider an excuse to wallop the bystander), then grabbing someone by the throat is a dead cert.

Yeah, strange.

I was taught how to break that hold by a mate who is a maximum martial arts expert. It involves breaking the olecranon process on both elbows and kicking the attackers balls up into their throat. I can only hope the cops don’t try it on the wrong person.

All the UA combat/martial arts teachers i’ve seentell you that if you employ a hold from the front, then you’re making yourself a target, putting yourself in range of the widest selection of possible counterattacks and damage. Does this get a mention in police training?

Yeah, strange.

2020 going to go down in history as a real doozy of a year, Coronavirus is just one of a number of major clusterfucks

Cymek said:

2020 going to go down in history as a real doozy of a year, Coronavirus is just one of a number of major clusterfucks

Just out of interest, what are the others?

I’d put the Covids down for more than 50% of the strife.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

2020 going to go down in history as a real doozy of a year, Coronavirus is just one of a number of major clusterfucks

Just out of interest, what are the others?

I’d put the Covids down for more than 50% of the strife.

There was a small bushfire over this side.

I predict that there’ll be increasing appearances of some sort of ‘throat-armour’ among people attending protests, akin to cervical collars, in various materials.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

2020 going to go down in history as a real doozy of a year, Coronavirus is just one of a number of major clusterfucks

Just out of interest, what are the others?

I’d put the Covids down for more than 50% of the strife.

Various riots and civil unrest, the Lebanon explosion, MV Wakashio oil spill

captain_spalding said:

I predict that there’ll be increasing appearances of some sort of ‘throat-armour’ among people attending protests, akin to cervical collars, in various materials.

Could make them quite easily from decent thick cardboard or even 3d print something

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

I predict that there’ll be increasing appearances of some sort of ‘throat-armour’ among people attending protests, akin to cervical collars, in various materials.

Could make them quite easily from decent thick cardboard or even 3d print something

It’s part of the new standard face mask!

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

I predict that there’ll be increasing appearances of some sort of ‘throat-armour’ among people attending protests, akin to cervical collars, in various materials.

Could make them quite easily from decent thick cardboard or even 3d print something

It’s part of the new standard face mask!

Pfft then they’ll start protesting about having to wear anti-choke devices along with their anti-mask stance.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Could make them quite easily from decent thick cardboard or even 3d print something

It’s part of the new standard face mask!

Pfft then they’ll start protesting about having to wear anti-choke devices along with their anti-mask stance.

Yeah! It’s freedom if we have to wear body armour to avoid getting killed on the streets, but it’s infringement on our rights if we have to wear masks to save lives from COVID-19!

The US recorded 1504 deaths yesterday, the highest daily count aince May.

I wonder how much truth there is to this..

Keeping residents in nursing homes a ‘medical judgement’

Victoria’s Premier Daniel Andrews was asked about media reports that some nursing home residents who test positive to COVID-19 were being sedated and kept in their homes instead of being transferred to hospital.

Mr Andrews said he asked the team directly responsible for aged care settings about the reports.

“Transfers to hospitals —the notion that people are being refused — that’s not the advice I have,” he said.

“I think the facility that was mentioned, a lot of residents have a whole range of complex conditions.

“The notion of moving a dementia patient – let alone a large number of dementia patients – is very very challenging.”

Mr Andrews said the decision for certain residents to stay in nursing homes is a “medical judgement”.

“So we’ve checked with the Royal Melbourne Hospital and we just don’t think is an accurate statement.”

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From (a fair way down the page): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-record-deaths-melbourne/12548630

We have a care in place order for Mum on her end of life plan with the nursing home. This was discussed with GP etc and all of us offspring. I would assume other oldies have similar plans in place. She is to be given pain relief and allowed to leave the world. Sometimes it’s called “no heroic measures”.

buffy said:

Keeping residents in nursing homes a ‘medical judgement’

Victoria’s Premier Daniel Andrews was asked about media reports that some nursing home residents who test positive to COVID-19 were being sedated and kept in their homes instead of being transferred to hospital.

Mr Andrews said he asked the team directly responsible for aged care settings about the reports.

“Transfers to hospitals —the notion that people are being refused — that’s not the advice I have,” he said.

“I think the facility that was mentioned, a lot of residents have a whole range of complex conditions.

“The notion of moving a dementia patient – let alone a large number of dementia patients – is very very challenging.”

Mr Andrews said the decision for certain residents to stay in nursing homes is a “medical judgement”.

“So we’ve checked with the Royal Melbourne Hospital and we just don’t think is an accurate statement.”

————————————————————————————————————————

From (a fair way down the page): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-record-deaths-melbourne/12548630

We have a care in place order for Mum on her end of life plan with the nursing home. This was discussed with GP etc and all of us offspring. I would assume other oldies have similar plans in place. She is to be given pain relief and allowed to leave the world. Sometimes it’s called “no heroic measures”.

I watched a youtube last night from a gynae/obstetrics doc. She was talking at one stage about taking babies by force from Covid mothers at birth. It was happening there for a while. It’s now recommended to discuss it with the mother and to do what the mother wants. (Chance of disease versus not bonding and not setting up breastfeeding and colostrum and greater likelihood of post natal depression.)

I can see how sometimes there might not be time for ethics. But we should at least default to ethics.

sarahs mum said:

I wonder how much truth there is to this..

Underlying comment to this.

>>>All stuff up roads lead to Dutton in my view. Shielded by Morrison and Murdoch.

Dont forget how slow they have been to encourage masks as a precautionary principle and prevention of Covid spread measure. BUT
The reason there wasnt PPE for HP in the beginning and masking earlier downplayed due to lack of supply- was down to Dutton ignoring requests to have Australia PPE Ready for a Pandemic as Health Minister in 2014!!
And then he ignored reports gathering dust in Home Affairs to have a comprehensive plan for a Pandemic (ref Abul Risvi) – then Border Farce let massive shipments of MILLIONS of pieces of PPE go to China mid and end February without a peep- when Dutton who should have been thinking about biosecurity, borders and pandemic readiness he was heading off to swan around US getting himself Covid, likely getting people on his plane infected on way back. Then Cabinet and PH had the downplayed deep clean.
(Aside – Commonwealth employs,SERCO and sub contracted poorly paid guards in some settings too- people in glass houses need to be careful throwing stones at Andrews via attack dogs).

Not to mention Duttons big noting his border security biosecurity control and employing contracted nurses and Doctors from IHMS for returnees from Wuhan to Christmas Island and then remote mining camps- and there was a period ABF had temperature checks at airports ? during time before all flights stopped- yet Ruby Princess and Dutts nowhere to be seen and suddenly ABF “doesnt employ nurses and Doctors” and cant liaise properly to NSW Health too? First biosecurity people is HA job, then it isnt. ???🤔🤔🤔 He and Morrison are a disaster protected only by Murdoch cabal who give them free rides and so are the ABC at the moment at times.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Keeping residents in nursing homes a ‘medical judgement’

Victoria’s Premier Daniel Andrews was asked about media reports that some nursing home residents who test positive to COVID-19 were being sedated and kept in their homes instead of being transferred to hospital.

Mr Andrews said he asked the team directly responsible for aged care settings about the reports.

“Transfers to hospitals —the notion that people are being refused — that’s not the advice I have,” he said.

“I think the facility that was mentioned, a lot of residents have a whole range of complex conditions.

“The notion of moving a dementia patient – let alone a large number of dementia patients – is very very challenging.”

Mr Andrews said the decision for certain residents to stay in nursing homes is a “medical judgement”.

“So we’ve checked with the Royal Melbourne Hospital and we just don’t think is an accurate statement.”

————————————————————————————————————————

From (a fair way down the page): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-record-deaths-melbourne/12548630

We have a care in place order for Mum on her end of life plan with the nursing home. This was discussed with GP etc and all of us offspring. I would assume other oldies have similar plans in place. She is to be given pain relief and allowed to leave the world. Sometimes it’s called “no heroic measures”.

I watched a youtube last night from a gynae/obstetrics doc. She was talking at one stage about taking babies by force from Covid mothers at birth. It was happening there for a while. It’s now recommended to discuss it with the mother and to do what the mother wants. (Chance of disease versus not bonding and not setting up breastfeeding and colostrum and greater likelihood of post natal depression.)

I can see how sometimes there might not be time for ethics. But we should at least default to ethics.

Um… we don’t follow… aren’t these experts (“experts”) also saying, the risk to children is low, it’s lower the younger you are, children don’t get sick, children don’t die, children don’t spread COVID-19? Take them away to prevent … what, exactly?

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Keeping residents in nursing homes a ‘medical judgement’

Victoria’s Premier Daniel Andrews was asked about media reports that some nursing home residents who test positive to COVID-19 were being sedated and kept in their homes instead of being transferred to hospital.

Mr Andrews said he asked the team directly responsible for aged care settings about the reports.

“Transfers to hospitals —the notion that people are being refused — that’s not the advice I have,” he said.

“I think the facility that was mentioned, a lot of residents have a whole range of complex conditions.

“The notion of moving a dementia patient – let alone a large number of dementia patients – is very very challenging.”

Mr Andrews said the decision for certain residents to stay in nursing homes is a “medical judgement”.

“So we’ve checked with the Royal Melbourne Hospital and we just don’t think is an accurate statement.”

————————————————————————————————————————

From (a fair way down the page): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-record-deaths-melbourne/12548630

We have a care in place order for Mum on her end of life plan with the nursing home. This was discussed with GP etc and all of us offspring. I would assume other oldies have similar plans in place. She is to be given pain relief and allowed to leave the world. Sometimes it’s called “no heroic measures”.

I watched a youtube last night from a gynae/obstetrics doc. She was talking at one stage about taking babies by force from Covid mothers at birth. It was happening there for a while. It’s now recommended to discuss it with the mother and to do what the mother wants. (Chance of disease versus not bonding and not setting up breastfeeding and colostrum and greater likelihood of post natal depression.)

I can see how sometimes there might not be time for ethics. But we should at least default to ethics.

Um… we don’t follow… aren’t these experts (“experts”) also saying, the risk to children is low, it’s lower the younger you are, children don’t get sick, children don’t die, children don’t spread COVID-19? Take them away to prevent … what, exactly?

It was an American youtube. The timeline on the above was that they were removing babies earlier on but it isn’t recommended now.

She did discuss Covid births. It appears that birthing is no more dangerous. But figures in the future might produce more info. It seems there is an increase in miscarriage and that seems related to whatever it is called storm and clotting in the placenta or fetus. Also for women with covid in late pregnancy having a caesar improves their condition.

Take them away to prevent … what, exactly?
—

And she was saying that she didn’t understand it from a treatment perspective either.

sarahs mum said:

I wonder how much truth there is to this..

Hmmmmm.

Rare piece of positive bipartisanship

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/clive-palmer-denies-seeking-30-billion-damages-wa-government/12494968

West Australian Government legislation to terminate a legal challenge against it by mining magnate Clive Palmer, said to be worth $30 billion, is set to pass through Parliament with the support of the Opposition.

dv said:

Rare piece of positive bipartisanship

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/clive-palmer-denies-seeking-30-billion-damages-wa-government/12494968

West Australian Government legislation to terminate a legal challenge against it by mining magnate Clive Palmer, said to be worth $30 billion, is set to pass through Parliament with the support of the Opposition.

Well it was the opposition who were in government back in 2012/13 when the mining development application was blocked.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12356031

Pete Evans may, just may, be a complete fuckwit.

sibeen said:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12356031

Pete Evans may, just may, be a complete fuckwit.

Interesting that they call him and Ex-celebrity chef in the article. I guess this means he has fallen from grace and is a celebrity no more.

sibeen said:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12356031

Pete Evans may, just may, be a complete fuckwit.

I like how the article begins with “ex-celebrity chef”. Is he an ex celebrity?

Divine Angel said:

sibeen said:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12356031

Pete Evans may, just may, be a complete fuckwit.

I like how the article begins with “ex-celebrity chef”. Is he an ex celebrity?

He made housewives into drunks by talking up table wines.

Government coronavirus messages left ‘nonsensical’ after being translated into other languages

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/coronavirus-messages-translated-to-nonsense-in-other-languages/12550520

Bubblecar said:

Government coronavirus messages left ‘nonsensical’ after being translated into other languages

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/coronavirus-messages-translated-to-nonsense-in-other-languages/12550520

I thought we went through all that stuff with John Howard about people not being allowed in unless they could speak and read English?

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

FFS

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

FFS

Add me to the FFS list.
Why do they want people to die?

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

FFS

Add me to the FFS list.
Why do they want people to die?

They are still losing the confederacy argument and want the rest of tthe USA to suffer as well?

“Something like two-thirds of the debt in the budget was borrowed by the Government before this outbreak of COVID-19,” Mr Chalmers said.

What do the records show? RMIT ABC Fact Check investigates.

The verdict

Mr Chalmers is correct.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/fact-check-budget-debt-coronavirus-pandemic/12545628

“Victoria has recorded 278 new cases of coronavirus.

8 people have died over the past 24 hours.”
………………………………………………………………….

The numbers are going down, thank goodness.
………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-victoria-new-zealand/12553046

Thank the people taking heed and sticking with restrictions!

SCIENCE said:

Thank the people taking heed and sticking with restrictions!

It was a farken and it is never too late.

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

FFS

Add me to the FFS list.
Why do they want people to die?

Good for the economy.

Michael V said:

“Victoria has recorded 278 new cases of coronavirus.

8 people have died over the past 24 hours.”
………………………………………………………………….

The numbers are going down, thank goodness.
………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-victoria-new-zealand/12553046

The last time it dropped so much, two days later it was over 700…

furious said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria has recorded 278 new cases of coronavirus.

8 people have died over the past 24 hours.”
………………………………………………………………….

The numbers are going down, thank goodness.
………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-victoria-new-zealand/12553046

The last time it dropped so much, two days later it was over 700…

did they lock down though

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

Not happy with that opinion.. get a second one

🙃

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

>>baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease”

It’s a view that has been substantially supported by many health experts, including Australian state and federal CMOs
We can get rid of Trump if we stay grounded and deal in facts.
This handwaving obsessive nonsense is not helping.

looks like WAliens are getting complacent… oof.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/hand-washing-social-distancing-for-coronavirus-rules-ignored-wa/12524318?fbclid=IwAR0WlsnvgqMkDiLW_SbIZrDA0oFLL1-zGc0AkS-gVY7gax9ykCfeGUXgRYM

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

>>baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease”

It’s a view that has been substantially supported by many health experts, including Australian state and federal CMOs
We can get rid of Trump if we stay grounded and deal in facts.
This handwaving obsessive nonsense is not helping.

imagine if the USSA told the truth, and other countries didn’t blindly follow bullshit public health advice

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

>>baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease”

It’s a view that has been substantially supported by many health experts, including Australian state and federal CMOs
We can get rid of Trump if we stay grounded and deal in facts.
This handwaving obsessive nonsense is not helping.

imagine if the USSA told the truth, and other countries didn’t blindly follow bullshit public health advice

Going all John Lennon on us?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease”

It’s a view that has been substantially supported by many health experts, including Australian state and federal CMOs
We can get rid of Trump if we stay grounded and deal in facts.
This handwaving obsessive nonsense is not helping.

imagine if the USSA told the truth, and other countries didn’t blindly follow bullshit public health advice

Going all John Lennon on us?

It’s easy if you try.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine if the USSA told the truth, and other countries didn’t blindly follow bullshit public health advice

Going all John Lennon on us?

It’s easy if you try.

It isn’t hard to do.

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

The aitch in Thai is a type of h. too.

was he actually a Dreamer though

party_pants said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

SCIENCE said:

was he actually a Dreamer though

but he wasn’t the only one.

Imagine all the people.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

I’m not sure that means much any more, as claims to likely scientific integrity go. Dunno about the US, but in Australia the title seems to be unregulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/does-common-cold-protect-you-from-coronavirus-covid-19/12553570

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

An MRI expert, not an expert in infectious diseases.

furious said:

Michael V said:

“Victoria has recorded 278 new cases of coronavirus.

8 people have died over the past 24 hours.”
………………………………………………………………….

The numbers are going down, thank goodness.
………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-melbourne-victoria-new-zealand/12553046

The last time it dropped so much, two days later it was over 700…

But that was when ScoMO was banging on about the economy.

I don’t think Victoria needs to look any further than Covid Alex.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

An MRI expert, not an expert in infectious diseases.

exspurt in this case. = a drip under pressure.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

I’m not sure that means much any more, as claims to likely scientific integrity go. Dunno about the US, but in Australia the title seems to be unregulated.

Even optoms from Melb Uni now call themselves “doctor” on the basis of The Melbourne Model requiring a general degree and then specialization. In my day we were very careful to correct patients who addressed us as “doctor”. But there you are. I’m old now. And the old always disapprove of the young.

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think Victoria needs to look any further than Covid Alex.

I wonder if she has managed to have it yet…

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

I’m not sure that means much any more, as claims to likely scientific integrity go. Dunno about the US, but in Australia the title seems to be unregulated.

Even optoms from Melb Uni now call themselves “doctor” on the basis of The Melbourne Model requiring a general degree and then specialization. In my day we were very careful to correct patients who addressed us as “doctor”. But there you are. I’m old now. And the old always disapprove of the young.

There are many young people I have a great deal of respect for. but yeah, I’m old too.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

I’m not sure that means much any more, as claims to likely scientific integrity go. Dunno about the US, but in Australia the title seems to be unregulated.

Even optoms from Melb Uni now call themselves “doctor” on the basis of The Melbourne Model requiring a general degree and then specialization. In my day we were very careful to correct patients who addressed us as “doctor”. But there you are. I’m old now. And the old always disapprove of the young.

At least that requires a health science degree!

So many unknowns.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/does-common-cold-protect-you-from-coronavirus-covid-19/12553570

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

(CNN)Moments before President Donald Trump entered the room for his recently reinstated daily coronavirus briefing Monday, three aides preceded him: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, budget chief Russell Vought and a new face.

“Wait, by the way, the gentlemen — you know everybody … This is Scott Atlas. Do you know that?” Trump asked.

The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government’s medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump’s — including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as “hysteria” and pushing for the resumption of college sports.

“He’s working with us and will be working with us on the coronavirus,” Trump said. “And he has many great ideas. And he thinks what we’ve done is really good, and now we’ll take it to a new level.”

Although Monday was Trump’s first public introduction of Atlas, multiple sources with knowledge of the relationship told CNN that Atlas has been informally advising Trump for weeks. Trump first noticed Atlas on Fox News, where he asserted it doesn’t matter “how many cases” there are in the US, wrongly claimed those under 18 years old have “essentially no risk of dying,” implied teachers who are at high risk for contracting Covid-19 should “know how to protect themselves,” baselessly claimed “children almost never transmit the disease” and without evidence blamed a rise in cases in southern states on protests and border crossings

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/scott-atlas-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

The Hoover Institution is a political and economic think-tank. Medical advice from a political economist in a crisis… just because he a type of Doctor.

He is a medical doctor type of doctor. He has that at least.

Did operate on the khan’s son

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/new-zealand-records-three-more-coronavirus-cases/12553526

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think Victoria needs to look any further than Covid Alex.

LOL

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think Victoria needs to look any further than Covid Alex.

LOL

Alex reports she is Covid-free.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think Victoria needs to look any further than Covid Alex.

LOL

Alex reports she is Covid-free.

Well, at the moment…

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

LOL

Alex reports she is Covid-free.

Well, at the moment…

That means she thinks that she got covid at no charge.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think Victoria needs to look any further than Covid Alex.

LOL

Alex reports she is Covid-free.

phew

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

LOL

Alex reports she is Covid-free.

phew

Big time. Out where she is, a single case could quickly wipe out a third of the state!

There are now 36 active cases in New Zealand, which had gone more than 100 days without any new infections until this week.

Fuck that was quick.

Richard Winnall, Americold’s Australia and New Zealand managing director, said the company’s positive cases worked alongside a man in his 50s who had already tested positive to the virus.

He also told the ABC there had been two positive cases of COVID-19 at Americold’s Melbourne plant in Laverton North in recent weeks.

However, he was adamant there could be no link between cases at the two facilities, as the Melbourne warehouse does not ship freight to the company’s Auckland plant.

He said the Auckland facilities received imported goods from 15 countries, including Australia, China and the United States.

—

No link my arse.

SCIENCE said:

There are now 36 active cases in New Zealand, which had gone more than 100 days without any new infections until this week.

Fuck that was quick.

That’s how it works.
It is why we should keep isolating.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53747852

Second wave.

buffy said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53747852

Second wave.

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53747852

Second wave.

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53747852

Second wave.

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

If they open their borders to encourage tourism, what do they expect? / ///

buffy said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53747852

Second wave.

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

Even though Sweden didn’t have many, or any, rules about isolation I bet a lot of people hid themselves away anyway.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53747852

Second wave.

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

Sweden are headed for recession just as surely as the rest of Europe. Most of the rest of Europe is already in recession – that is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Sweden were flat in the first quarter (a few tenths above zero) but are now strongly negative (about -4.5%) in the second. Technically they are not in recession until the September quarter data is released, but I think we can safely guess that will continue in negative territory.

So I don’t think we have to wait. For all the extra deaths Sweden have endured, they have just managed to postpone economic downturn by a few weeks. They have not avoided it.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

Even though Sweden didn’t have many, or any, rules about isolation I bet a lot of people hid themselves away anyway.

I believe many of the elderly took evasive action.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

Sweden are headed for recession just as surely as the rest of Europe. Most of the rest of Europe is already in recession – that is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Sweden were flat in the first quarter (a few tenths above zero) but are now strongly negative (about -4.5%) in the second. Technically they are not in recession until the September quarter data is released, but I think we can safely guess that will continue in negative territory.

So I don’t think we have to wait. For all the extra deaths Sweden have endured, they have just managed to postpone economic downturn by a few weeks. They have not avoided it.

You could look at it that most other places have still got many more deaths to endure and Sweden may well have, as I read somewhere, ripped off the bandaid quickly. (I think that was that doctor in Sweden that someone linked to the other day, Dr Sebastian Rushworth)

sibeen said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

Even though Sweden didn’t have many, or any, rules about isolation I bet a lot of people hid themselves away anyway.

Due to draconian lockdown in other countries Sweden has all those Abba royalties coming in from Spotify.

SCIENCE said:

There are now 36 active cases in New Zealand, which had gone more than 100 days without any new infections until this week.

Fuck that was quick.

Ref?

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

There are now 36 active cases in New Zealand, which had gone more than 100 days without any new infections until this week.

Fuck that was quick.

Ref?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/new-zealand-records-13-more-community-coronavirus-cases/12553526

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

There are now 36 active cases in New Zealand, which had gone more than 100 days without any new infections until this week.

Fuck that was quick.

Ref?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/new-zealand-records-13-more-community-coronavirus-cases/12553526

Thanks.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

Sweden are headed for recession just as surely as the rest of Europe. Most of the rest of Europe is already in recession – that is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Sweden were flat in the first quarter (a few tenths above zero) but are now strongly negative (about -4.5%) in the second. Technically they are not in recession until the September quarter data is released, but I think we can safely guess that will continue in negative territory.

So I don’t think we have to wait. For all the extra deaths Sweden have endured, they have just managed to postpone economic downturn by a few weeks. They have not avoided it.

You could look at it that most other places have still got many more deaths to endure and Sweden may well have, as I read somewhere, ripped off the bandaid quickly. (I think that was that doctor in Sweden that someone linked to the other day, Dr Sebastian Rushworth)

Sweden are just as vulnerable to a second wave as anywhere else. Just that their first wave took nearly 3 months to flatten the curve and for the numbers to start heading down. There is nothing to suggest they are all immune from it now,

Some stuff about what Sweden did.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-was-the-impact-of-swedens-soft-approach-to-lockdown#Fewer-deaths-than-expected

“An outlier to this approach was Sweden. Rather than enforcing a hard lockdown, the Swedish government only closed universities and other schools with pupils aged 15 and older. It also recommended that everyone older than 70 and anyone with symptoms typical of COVID-19 self-isolate.”

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Sweden are headed for recession just as surely as the rest of Europe. Most of the rest of Europe is already in recession – that is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Sweden were flat in the first quarter (a few tenths above zero) but are now strongly negative (about -4.5%) in the second. Technically they are not in recession until the September quarter data is released, but I think we can safely guess that will continue in negative territory.

So I don’t think we have to wait. For all the extra deaths Sweden have endured, they have just managed to postpone economic downturn by a few weeks. They have not avoided it.

You could look at it that most other places have still got many more deaths to endure and Sweden may well have, as I read somewhere, ripped off the bandaid quickly. (I think that was that doctor in Sweden that someone linked to the other day, Dr Sebastian Rushworth)

Sweden are just as vulnerable to a second wave as anywhere else. Just that their first wave took nearly 3 months to flatten the curve and for the numbers to start heading down. There is nothing to suggest they are all immune from it now,

Evidence seems to suggest immunity is short lived as well

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Sweden are headed for recession just as surely as the rest of Europe. Most of the rest of Europe is already in recession – that is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Sweden were flat in the first quarter (a few tenths above zero) but are now strongly negative (about -4.5%) in the second. Technically they are not in recession until the September quarter data is released, but I think we can safely guess that will continue in negative territory.

So I don’t think we have to wait. For all the extra deaths Sweden have endured, they have just managed to postpone economic downturn by a few weeks. They have not avoided it.

You could look at it that most other places have still got many more deaths to endure and Sweden may well have, as I read somewhere, ripped off the bandaid quickly. (I think that was that doctor in Sweden that someone linked to the other day, Dr Sebastian Rushworth)

Sweden are just as vulnerable to a second wave as anywhere else. Just that their first wave took nearly 3 months to flatten the curve and for the numbers to start heading down. There is nothing to suggest they are all immune from it now,

I think I disagree. I think they are less vulnerable to a second wave.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

You could look at it that most other places have still got many more deaths to endure and Sweden may well have, as I read somewhere, ripped off the bandaid quickly. (I think that was that doctor in Sweden that someone linked to the other day, Dr Sebastian Rushworth)

Sweden are just as vulnerable to a second wave as anywhere else. Just that their first wave took nearly 3 months to flatten the curve and for the numbers to start heading down. There is nothing to suggest they are all immune from it now,

Evidence seems to suggest immunity is short lived as well

That rather depends on which evidence you choose to read. I read something today (ABC news? I think) about there being a possibility (only a possibility, but that holds for a hell of a lot of stuff about this virus) that previous infection (a Winter cold) with a different coronavirus may infer some level of immunity. We have never taken so much notice, nor studied, a Winter virus like we have with this one. We have never tested at this level for anything. And we’ve still only got 6 months of information.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Ref?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/new-zealand-records-13-more-community-coronavirus-cases/12553526

Thanks.

I think it was more the way they were counting. If a case came from outside the country and was in isolation they didn’t count that a a ‘real’ case, so that the 36 active cases is made up of the 13 ‘real’ cases and another 23 individuals who came back into the country.

That’s the way I read it.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

You could look at it that most other places have still got many more deaths to endure and Sweden may well have, as I read somewhere, ripped off the bandaid quickly. (I think that was that doctor in Sweden that someone linked to the other day, Dr Sebastian Rushworth)

Sweden are just as vulnerable to a second wave as anywhere else. Just that their first wave took nearly 3 months to flatten the curve and for the numbers to start heading down. There is nothing to suggest they are all immune from it now,

I think I disagree. I think they are less vulnerable to a second wave.

I can’t see why. The only thing that is going to stop a second wave is testing, detection, tracing and self isolation combined with social distancing to stop community transmission. Just the same as in any other country. The Swedes have been worse at it and took longer to control and turn the situation around.

For a population of 11 million people, they have had 80,000 confirmed cases. If you allow the most generous % of cases being unsymptomatic and all of them untested it means less than half a million people have had it so far. There’s still over 10 million people at risk of catching it. Herd immunity is supposed to be somewhere in the 60-80% range of population having had it.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Sweden are just as vulnerable to a second wave as anywhere else. Just that their first wave took nearly 3 months to flatten the curve and for the numbers to start heading down. There is nothing to suggest they are all immune from it now,

Evidence seems to suggest immunity is short lived as well

That rather depends on which evidence you choose to read. I read something today (ABC news? I think) about there being a possibility (only a possibility, but that holds for a hell of a lot of stuff about this virus) that previous infection (a Winter cold) with a different coronavirus may infer some level of immunity. We have never taken so much notice, nor studied, a Winter virus like we have with this one. We have never tested at this level for anything. And we’ve still only got 6 months of information.

Well, evidence suggests antibody levels drop, but there are also T cell responses to viral infections. lack of antibodies doesn’t always mean they’ve ‘lost’ immunity.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/new-zealand-records-13-more-community-coronavirus-cases/12553526

Thanks.

I think it was more the way they were counting. If a case came from outside the country and was in isolation they didn’t count that a a ‘real’ case, so that the 36 active cases is made up of the 13 ‘real’ cases and another 23 individuals who came back into the country.

That’s the way I read it.

Winston Peters has come and and stated that he thinks it was a quarantine breach in NZ that has caused the new cases.

Up to 6% of England’s population may have had Covid, study suggests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/13/up-to-6-of-englands-population-may-have-had-covid-study-suggests

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Seems like every country is susceptible to the old second wave.

Waiting on Sweden. Because they are the opposite end of the scale to NZ. It’s Quite Interesting. In a somewhat macabre way.

Sweden are headed for recession just as surely as the rest of Europe. Most of the rest of Europe is already in recession – that is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. Sweden were flat in the first quarter (a few tenths above zero) but are now strongly negative (about -4.5%) in the second. Technically they are not in recession until the September quarter data is released, but I think we can safely guess that will continue in negative territory.

So I don’t think we have to wait. For all the extra deaths Sweden have endured, they have just managed to postpone economic downturn by a few weeks. They have not avoided it.

A situation that will surely get worse when people stop buying Ikea furniture.

sibeen said:

Up to 6% of England’s population may have had Covid, study suggests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/13/up-to-6-of-englands-population-may-have-had-covid-study-suggests

Interesting study, it probably applies to most European countries.

sibeen said:

Up to 6% of England’s population may have had Covid, study suggests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/13/up-to-6-of-englands-population-may-have-had-covid-study-suggests

F’nerk!

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Thanks.

I think it was more the way they were counting. If a case came from outside the country and was in isolation they didn’t count that a a ‘real’ case, so that the 36 active cases is made up of the 13 ‘real’ cases and another 23 individuals who came back into the country.

That’s the way I read it.

Winston Peters has come and and stated that he thinks it was a quarantine breach in NZ that has caused the new cases.

fucking private security guards hey…?

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

I think it was more the way they were counting. If a case came from outside the country and was in isolation they didn’t count that a a ‘real’ case, so that the 36 active cases is made up of the 13 ‘real’ cases and another 23 individuals who came back into the country.

That’s the way I read it.

Winston Peters has come and and stated that he thinks it was a quarantine breach in NZ that has caused the new cases.

fucking private security guards hey…?

They were using the army in NZ.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Winston Peters has come and and stated that he thinks it was a quarantine breach in NZ that has caused the new cases.

fucking private security guards hey…?

They were using the army in NZ.

Although I am taking Winston’s word on that. If there was a breach I suspect Naval personnel were involved.

:)

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

I think it was more the way they were counting. If a case came from outside the country and was in isolation they didn’t count that a a ‘real’ case, so that the 36 active cases is made up of the 13 ‘real’ cases and another 23 individuals who came back into the country.

That’s the way I read it.

Winston Peters has come and and stated that he thinks it was a quarantine breach in NZ that has caused the new cases.

fucking private security guards hey…?

ISWYDT

Piles of information about Europe here. Updated 10/8/20 (I think)

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/covid-19-rapid-risk-assessment-20200810.pdf

I’m off to watch the news.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

fucking private security guards hey…?

They were using the army in NZ.

Although I am taking Winston’s word on that. If there was a breach I suspect Naval personnel were involved.

:)

Nice work if you can get it I suppose.

buffy said:

watch the news.

mmmmmmmm here’s some

One of the members of the family which first tested positive — a man in his 50s — worked at a cold storage facility.

Three other workers at the Americold Mt Wellington site have since tested positive.

Is it possible that the virus came into New Zealand by freight, rather than nestled inside a person?

Dr Bloomfield is sceptical.

“It’s unlikely. The most likely explanation is person-to-person transmission or more fleeting … transmission an infected surface somewhere, and the person has picked up the virus from there,” he said.

“But we are wanting to rule out the cold store link.”

It’s the nature of the freight that has NZ authorities even considering this possibility.

COVID-19 survives longer in cooler, temperature-controlled environments and there are reports coming out of China that traces of coronavirus have been found on freight at ports coming from overseas.

However, there’s been no documented cases of someone being infected by these traces.

—

Remember when “there is no evidence of human to human transmission“¿

Remember when “quick, shut out travellers from CHINA, they’re spreading CHINA VIRUS around the world“¿

Remember when “CHINA VIRUS, hah, it’s just a mild ‘flu’, not even, it’s just a little cold“¿

Still, we commend the appropriate and gutsy government response. In another 3 cycles, you know what will happen ¿ There will actually be herd immunity ¡ The Economy Must Grow will have been sufficiently disrupted, and surviving and new industries will be immune to the fluctuating effects of COVID-19 restrictions ¡¡¡¡¡

Ah, NZ, is there anything you can get Right ¿ First the 4 day working week ¡ Now, they have Business As Usual for 14 weeks at a time, and then 4 weeks off, in every 18 ¡¡¡¡¡

Coronavirus update: Study estimates more than one in ten Londoners has had COVID-19
A study finds 6 per cent of England has had COVID-19, a much higher rate than previously thought, while the rate of infection in the capital is even higher.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/coronavirus-update-uk-cases—india-new-zealand-covid-19/12556686

roughbarked said:

Coronavirus update: Study estimates more than one in ten Londoners has had COVID-19
A study finds 6 per cent of England has had COVID-19, a much higher rate than previously thought, while the rate of infection in the capital is even higher.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/coronavirus-update-uk-cases—india-new-zealand-covid-19/12556686

Air pollution and covid death link supported by major study

Single-unit rise in exposure to small-particle pollution over previous decade may increase death rate by up to 6%

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/13/study-of-covid-deaths-in-england-is-latest-to-find-air-pollution-link

Arts said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

And what about Gina?

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

And what about Gina?

AFAIK Gina doesn’t shit in her own nest.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

And what about Gina?

AFAIK Gina doesn’t shit in her own nest.

What Gina wants, Gina gets!

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

And what about Gina?

AFAIK Gina doesn’t shit in her own nest.

I wonder if Gina & Clive have considered tying the knot.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

And what about Gina?

AFAIK Gina doesn’t shit in her own nest.

I wonder if Gina & Clive have considered tying the knot.

awful visual. stop it brain.

Arts said:

Because he’s a fat bastard who thinks he’s a controller.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

Good one.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

And what about Gina?

AFAIK Gina doesn’t shit in her own nest.

I wonder if Gina & Clive have considered tying the knot.

Even Gina wouldn’t stoop so low.

You underestimate the amount of hate there is for Clive over here right now. I mean for real.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

And what about Gina?

Yeah.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Is the answer..because Ivan Milat is dead?

And what about Gina?

AFAIK Gina doesn’t shit in her own nest.

She hasn’t got a nest. It is somewhere where her heart was.

Arts said:

Definitely not Clive Palmer. Anybody who recreates dinosaurs is very high on my approval list.

Saw some old bastard talking on TV tonight about how vaccine testing had only passed stage 1. Would be quite happy to sacrifice him.

The current vaccine testing regime is immoral for at least four independent reasons.
The only way to morally test a vaccine is to release it for public use.

mollwollfumble said:

Arts said:

Definitely not Clive Palmer. Anybody who recreates dinosaurs is very high on my approval list.

Saw some old bastard talking on TV tonight about how vaccine testing had only passed stage 1. Would be quite happy to sacrifice him.

The current vaccine testing regime is immoral for at least four independent reasons.
The only way to morally test a vaccine is to release it for public use.

So if you test a vaccine by releasing it for public use, and as a result 10 million people have an early death, and no-one is saved from the virus, that’s the only moral way to proceed is it?

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Arts said:

Definitely not Clive Palmer. Anybody who recreates dinosaurs is very high on my approval list.

Saw some old bastard talking on TV tonight about how vaccine testing had only passed stage 1. Would be quite happy to sacrifice him.

The current vaccine testing regime is immoral for at least four independent reasons.
The only way to morally test a vaccine is to release it for public use.

So if you test a vaccine by releasing it for public use, and as a result 10 million people have an early death, and no-one is saved from the virus, that’s the only moral way to proceed is it?

It’s just moll going full moll.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Definitely not Clive Palmer. Anybody who recreates dinosaurs is very high on my approval list.

Saw some old bastard talking on TV tonight about how vaccine testing had only passed stage 1. Would be quite happy to sacrifice him.

The current vaccine testing regime is immoral for at least four independent reasons.
The only way to morally test a vaccine is to release it for public use.

So if you test a vaccine by releasing it for public use, and as a result 10 million people have an early death, and no-one is saved from the virus, that’s the only moral way to proceed is it?

It’s just moll going full moll.

Yes, I know that.

I like to engage him in a rational discussion of his hypotheses anyway.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So if you test a vaccine by releasing it for public use, and as a result 10 million people have an early death, and no-one is saved from the virus, that’s the only moral way to proceed is it?

It’s just moll going full moll.

Yes, I know that.

I like to engage him in a rational discussion of his hypotheses anyway.

And another thing, how many dinosaurs has Palmer actually recreated (not counting turning himself into one)?

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s just moll going full moll.

Yes, I know that.

I like to engage him in a rational discussion of his hypotheses anyway.

And another thing, how many dinosaurs has Palmer actually recreated (not counting turning himself into one)?

Heard Clive interviewed on the wireless this morning, he was chastised and pulled up by the ABC presenter for swearing.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes, I know that.

I like to engage him in a rational discussion of his hypotheses anyway.

And another thing, how many dinosaurs has Palmer actually recreated (not counting turning himself into one)?

Heard Clive interviewed on the wireless this morning, he was chastised and pulled up by the ABC presenter for swearing.

Bother

Quite a few ABC TV shows will need some heavy editing if swearing is not allowed now.

I’m sure Media Watch will pick it up though.

372 new cases, 14 more deaths in Victoria.

Divine Angel said:

372 new cases, 14 more deaths in Victoria.

remember when anything over 300 was shocking news

“So, if they’ve got an average of 20 in the last week, that means that at any one point in time, there’s about 200 other cases out there that we don’t know about. Basically, 10 times the daily count,” Professor Blakely said.

“If you’ve got a case that pops up and you can’t trace it back to its source, and you assume that tracking has been done well … it means it’s come from silent transmission.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/nsw-coronavirus-cases-likely-higher-than-reported-figures/12553690

Big Assumptions

Confirmed: All Being Run By Idiots

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/border-force-ruby-princess-qantas-virgin-manifest-coronavirus/12550558

but they pronounce it A L

There you go, common sense is worth more than $23/hour, if you don’t want to spread shit between different rooms what might be useful to do.

—

She is speaking out as she believes staff earning about $23 per hour are being unfairly blamed for outbreaks, particularly given they were not required to undertake training about how to use PPE.

“Some of the staff weren’t sure about when to change gloves for instance, and going from room to room with the same pair of gloves on,” she said.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/covid-melbourne-aged-care-nurse-blames-lack-of-ppe-training/12540422

SCIENCE said:

There you go, common sense is worth more than $23/hour, if you don’t want to spread shit between different rooms what might be useful to do.

—

She is speaking out as she believes staff earning about $23 per hour are being unfairly blamed for outbreaks, particularly given they were not required to undertake training about how to use PPE.

“Some of the staff weren’t sure about when to change gloves for instance, and going from room to room with the same pair of gloves on,” she said.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/covid-melbourne-aged-care-nurse-blames-lack-of-ppe-training/12540422

Woolies has hired a doctor guy to train staff and customers on COVID prevention.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/woolworths-appoints-chief-medical-officer-to-tackle-covid19/news-story/4f0ccfa45ec9298a6bdfb769f6d5b410

Who does?

dv said:

Who does?

Houston?

dv said:

Who does?

The shop assistant we asked where some item was did, said “A L Tan” and we didn’t even react we were so unfamiliar with the pronunciation, there was a pause and then the shop assistant looked us in the eyes and firmly said “A L Tan, over there“before we realised what was being said.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Who does?

The shop assistant we asked where some item was did, said “A L Tan” and we didn’t even react we were so unfamiliar with the pronunciation, there was a pause and then the shop assistant looked us in the eyes and firmly said “A L Tan, over there“before we realised what was being said.

I think that may have been a oncer

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/coronavirus-outbreak-royal-melbourne-hospital-wards-close/12556622

Open air and tent hospitals, seriously, we’re telling you…

Limitation in cooler climate during winter, yes (Melbourne), but there are heat lamps and you’ll need to run those to keep up the baseload demands for coal (Hazelwood) anyway, and after a bit more of that, global warming will save you from winter, easy!¡

dv said:

Ah, one I got. Instantly!

:)

“One man in his 20s is among the COVID fatalities in Victoria”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-melbourne-aged-covid19/12556208

I’ve stumbled upon three factoids today:

1. They’re closing down four wards at Royal Melbourne Hospital, where they believe 120 cases have originated.

2. The current cases in NZ seem to be from international freight. If that’s true, I’d suggest it’s unstoppable.

3. My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

>>3. My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

Trump was pinning his hopes on summer.

Rule 303 said:

I’ve stumbled upon three factoids today:

1. They’re closing down four wards at Royal Melbourne Hospital, where they believe 120 cases have originated.

2. The current cases in NZ seem to be from international freight. If that’s true, I’d suggest it’s unstoppable.

3. My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

3. Summer really helped the USA…

Peak Warming Man said:

>>3. My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

Trump was pinning his hopes on summer.

FTR, I don’t think either of them are Infectious Diseases specialists.

• My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

furious said:

• My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

Me and Spalding Jr met Summer Glau at a fan con in Brisbane. She’s a v. nice person.

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

• My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

Me and Spalding Jr met Summer Glau at a fan con in Brisbane. She’s a v. nice person.

… said c_s with a gun pointing at his head.

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

• My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

Me and Spalding Jr met Summer Glau at a fan con in Brisbane. She’s a v. nice person.

… said c_s with a gun pointing at his head.

I’m a bit older for her…

…but she can take me hostage any time.

furious said:

• My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

I only watched The Sarah Connor Chronicles last year because it got meh reviews at the time. I thought it was very good, and Glau’s understated performance was a big part of that

dv said:

furious said:

• My GP reckons the only thing that will pull it up is Summer.

I only watched The Sarah Connor Chronicles last year because it got meh reviews at the time. I thought it was very good, and Glau’s understated performance was a big part of that

Yes I liked the series, fleshed out the creation of the terminators a lot more and it’s a pity it was cancelled as it was heading in an interesting direction.
In the Game Of Thrones finale two of the Sarah Connors got to meet.

Fucking knew it¡ West Taiwan lied when they said that there was a dangerous new virus. West Taiwan lied when they said they had no new local cases. And West Taiwan Lied When They Claimed That Salmon Brought The Virus Back To Beijing¡¡¡ Fuck Northeast Tibet¡¡¡¡¡

—

University of Otago epidemiologist Professor Michael Baker:

“Yes. The index case in this cluster worked in a cold store and had contacted with imported goods and so it started, the hypothesis, which is fairly unlikely, that the virus may have crossed the borders in a refrigerated state.

“We can preserve the virus, of course, its viability, but really internationally, I don’t think there are any documented examples of outbreaks starting in this way.”

The state today recorded 372 new coronavirus cases and 14 deaths, including a man in his 20s — Australia’s youngest person to die with the disease.

The Chief Health Officer said while numbers were heading down, it was not conceivable for the state to open up while still recording hundreds of cases per day.

“We really need to drive numbers down to the lowest possible level, including zero, to give us the greatest confidence that we can ease restrictions and not see an upsurge that would have us heading back to restrictions again,” he said. “We have to get to a point where it’s entirely manageable, if not completely snuffed out.”

—

Nah we think not, The Economy Must Grow ¡

Aiken:

“Are there any concerns that New Zealand is in fact following the wrong strategy when it continues to pursue elimination?”

Professor Baker:

“I think there’ll always be people challenging that approach but really so far the evidence is very supportive of this approach.”

“We have got the lowest mortar tallty in the OECD at the moment, our economy is taking off under elimination and so there is huge support in New Zealand and from our politicians and business leaders to get back into the elimination state as fast as we can.”

“If you look across the region, countries pursuing elimination, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, even though they have had set backs in some cases, their economies are doing extremely well and again they have had lower mortality rates from COVID-19.

“That’s the experience of New Zealand and the States in Australia pursuing elimination are also I think doing very well.”

—

Wrong Move, Bro ¡

You’ll never achieve flock immunity that way, even if you sell all your sheep ¡

All it means is that your businesses are susceptible and high risk of dying every time you have a lockdown ¡

#MakeThemImmune #FlockTheEconomy #BurstThatBubble

Remembers The Rev Dodgson and the order of magnitude greater than zero.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/ex-soldiers-warn-about-tafenoquine-to-treat-covid-19/12546468

The anti-malarial tafenoquine is being explored as a treatment for coronavirus with laboratory studies conducted in Melbourne claiming tafenoquine was four times more potent against SARS-CoV-2 cells than hydroxychloroquine.

SCIENCE said:

Remembers The Rev Dodgson and the order of magnitude greater than zero.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/ex-soldiers-warn-about-tafenoquine-to-treat-covid-19/12546468

The anti-malarial tafenoquine is being explored as a treatment for coronavirus with laboratory studies conducted in Melbourne claiming tafenoquine was four times more potent against SARS-CoV-2 cells than hydroxychloroquine.

puts hands on hips
Well Karen said hydroxychloroquine wasn’t potent at all.

Now for the Good News…

(apart from Laos not doing too badly)

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any lower, Influenza Is Actually Dead

Meanwhile, this is Good News For Schools

Passengers and crew should have been confined to their cabins while this happened.

This may have led to additional onboard transmission, the findings conceded.

But ultimately, the risk of this, as professors Kelleher and Grulich noted in their expert report, “could have been ameliorated to some degree by giving masks to people in these cabins and by disinfecting surfaces in the cabins”.

—

one moment please

Whilst we assert brained people even back then knew that masks were useful, was it even agreed by authorities at the time that masks were going to be useful ¿ We thought among other things (politician friends and the like) they were trying to avoid accusations of locking people up on board like the Diamond.

SCIENCE said:

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Everyone Was Fingering Security Guards Might Have To Withdraw The Accusations

Earliest Known Transmission Route Might Have Been Environmentally Infected Hotel Staff

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/victoria-patient-zero-coronavirus-second-wave-rydges-on-swanston/12560340

We know that a hotel staff member was the first publicly reported case at the hotel, apart from returned travellers.

On May 27, the Department of Health and Human Services announced a case had been detected in a staff member at the hotel.

The same day, the hotel confirmed separately that a staff member had tested positive to COVID-19.

The number of cases linked to the hotel quickly grew.

The next day, a contracted security guard working as part of the government-run hotel quarantine program was confirmed as a positive case.

I did wonder this morning when I heard this on the radio about how the Victorian opposition leader was going to back out of his accusations. He is like a little rooster, running around complaining but never offering any ideas about possible solutions.

Possibly satire:

I haven’t been looking at worldwide for more than a month. Let’s see.

Brazil, India, Russia, South Africa, Peru – that’s changed.

World. New daily cases have stabilized.

World. New daily deaths have also stabilized. Sort of.

Coronavirus is still working harder mid-week than on weekends. They need to fix that.

USA new cases is dropping now, but new deaths is not dropping.

seems balanced

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/what-chinas-covid-19-vaccine-race-mean-for-australia/12557700

An inquiry finds the only direct communication between NSW Health and the Commonwealth the morning hundreds of passengers disembarked the Ruby Princess was to say there was “no concern” over the “low risk” of reported illness.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/ruby-princess-inquiry-how-did-it-happen-coronavirus/12560722

roughbarked said:

An inquiry finds the only direct communication between NSW Health and the Commonwealth the morning hundreds of passengers disembarked the Ruby Princess was to say there was “no concern” over the “low risk” of reported illness.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/ruby-princess-inquiry-how-did-it-happen-coronavirus/12560722

genius

And while keeping an eye on mutations has important implications for vaccines and spread, it’s unlikely the new coronavirus (or any other virus) will cause worse disease over time, says Dr Jacques.

“If I could make just one emphatic point, it would be that viruses almost never mutate to become more virulent,” he says.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-08-15/coronavirus-new-strains-mutation-vaccine-headlines/12519576

Sure, consistent with the sanitation-virulence hypothesis, what you’d expect when people get worried about a nasty disease, take measures to prevent it, and make it harder to spread.

Conversely, or perversely if you like, in the COVID-19 pandemic, certain shithole countries are full of people trying to make it easier for the disease to spread, so you can bet that something that “almost never” happens,

“Four men have been fined after allegedly trying to sneak into Queensland from New South Wales on a sailboat.

The Department of Transport and Main Roads said Maritime Safety Vessels officers intercepted the men off the Gold Coast yesterday afternoon.

The group was allegedly on their way to Cairns.

They have each been fined an estimated $4,000 each for contravening orders by the Chief Health Officer and are now in hotel quarantine at their own expense.”
………………………………………………………………………………………..

Costly exercise in law-breaking. Covidiots.
………………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/coronavirus-queensland-sailboat-sneak-nsw-fined-gold-coast/12541756

Michael V said:

“Four men have been fined after allegedly trying to sneak into Queensland from New South Wales on a sailboat.

The Department of Transport and Main Roads said Maritime Safety Vessels officers intercepted the men off the Gold Coast yesterday afternoon.

The group was allegedly on their way to Cairns.

They have each been fined an estimated $4,000 each for contravening orders by the Chief Health Officer and are now in hotel quarantine at their own expense.”
………………………………………………………………………………………..

Costly exercise in law-breaking. Covidiots.
………………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/coronavirus-queensland-sailboat-sneak-nsw-fined-gold-coast/12541756

Heard that on the radio. A+ for ingenuity.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

“Four men have been fined after allegedly trying to sneak into Queensland from New South Wales on a sailboat.

The Department of Transport and Main Roads said Maritime Safety Vessels officers intercepted the men off the Gold Coast yesterday afternoon.

The group was allegedly on their way to Cairns.

They have each been fined an estimated $4,000 each for contravening orders by the Chief Health Officer and are now in hotel quarantine at their own expense.”
………………………………………………………………………………………..

Costly exercise in law-breaking. Covidiots.
………………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/coronavirus-queensland-sailboat-sneak-nsw-fined-gold-coast/12541756

Heard that on the radio. A+ for ingenuity.

I’m surprised anyone is trying to sneak INTO Old.

On the current trajectory, the world deaths figure should hit one million on about September 11th.

That should give the conspiracy theorists something to think about.

Interesting read.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/coronavirus-herd-immunity-unlikely-without-vaccine/12559298

Michael V said:

Interesting read.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/coronavirus-herd-immunity-unlikely-without-vaccine/12559298

Thanks.

Since we all like that kind of thing, we offer in exchange the following.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/covid-19-immunity-is-the-pandemics-central-mystery/614956/

Immunology Is Where Intuition Goes to Die

It does also have a link to Read: A vaccine reality check.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Interesting read.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/coronavirus-herd-immunity-unlikely-without-vaccine/12559298

Thanks.

Since we all like that kind of thing, we offer in exchange the following.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/covid-19-immunity-is-the-pandemics-central-mystery/614956/

Immunology Is Where Intuition Goes to Die

It does also have a link to Read: A vaccine reality check.

Nowhere near enough cases for natural vaccines to play that large a role yet.
You could increase herd immunity by encouraging people who have recovered from coronavirus to mingle mask-free with everyone. Just saying.

Looks like Peru is going to take the “deaths/population” crown off Belgium in the next few days

dv said:

Looks like Peru is going to take the “deaths/population” crown off Belgium in the next few days

Wow! Thanks for the heads up. I hadn’t been expecting that.

I count 7 independent ways in which Covid-19 vaccine trials are immoral.

Who was the turd who invented the testing regime anyway?

mollwollfumble said:

I count 7 independent ways in which Covid-19 vaccine trials are immoral.

Who was the turd who invented the testing regime anyway?

They sort of try to stop vaccines killing more people than they cure. Crazy I know.

NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said on Friday the earliest case identified was a worker at an Americold storage facility in Mt Wellington, Auckland, who became sick on July 31 – though that person might not be the origin of the outbreak.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/new-zealand-cluster-grows-to-35-confirmed-cases-melbourne-link-to-outbreak-investigated-20200815-p55m0u.html

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If they weren’t COVID-testing every bout of cold and flu they were pretty stupid. Hubris much…

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I count 7 independent ways in which Covid-19 vaccine trials are immoral.

Who was the turd who invented the testing regime anyway?

They sort of try to stop vaccines killing more people than they cure. Crazy I know.

You’d think so, wouldn’t you. But the trials eliminate all the vaccines that are unconditionally safe immediately.

mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I count 7 independent ways in which Covid-19 vaccine trials are immoral.

Who was the turd who invented the testing regime anyway?

They sort of try to stop vaccines killing more people than they cure. Crazy I know.

You’d think so, wouldn’t you. But the trials eliminate all the vaccines that are unconditionally safe immediately.

How so? Go into as much details as you can.

Witty Rejoinder said:

NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said on Friday the earliest case identified was a worker at an Americold storage facility in Mt Wellington, Auckland, who became sick on July 31 – though that person might not be the origin of the outbreak.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/new-zealand-cluster-grows-to-35-confirmed-cases-melbourne-link-to-outbreak-investigated-20200815-p55m0u.html

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If they weren’t COVID-testing every bout of cold and flu they were pretty stupid. Hubris much…

Fair; unlike in parts of Australia, there do seem to be signs that NZ failed to absolutely fkn kill off the ‘flu’.

The Age has published an article about the Vic Chief Health Officer not occupying the position of State Emergency Management Controller for this disaster. This suggestion reveals a large knowledge gap in the author’s knowledge about our emergency management arrangements. I wonder if he’ll get an apology?

https://covidlive.com.au/report/active-cases-by-lga

A lot more green arrows than there have been for a while now. The two week cycle cycles along.

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

Bubblecar said:

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

No information on the ABC news.

Bubblecar said:

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

I don’t know.

Bubblecar said:

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

no cause of death released

Bubblecar said:

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

They are not saying how he died or why he died and there is as yet no evidence that his brother killed him to try and harness the sympathy vote.
No doubt there will be questions asked as to whether he killed his brother at some stage during the campaign.

A bigger dose
The world is spending nowhere near enough on a coronavirus vaccine
Far better to spend far too much

Leaders
Aug 8th 2020 edition

Editor’s note: Some of our covid-19 coverage is free for readers of The Economist Today, our daily newsletter. For more stories and our pandemic tracker, see our hub

Consider the following thought experiment. If you fail to eat a pizza within an hour, you will die from hunger. What do you do? Most people would immediately order a pizza—and not just one Margherita, but lots of them, from several different parlours. In order to maximise the chances that at least one pizzeria got you what you needed in time, you would not care that some of the pizza would be sure to go to waste.

The world is hungry for a vaccine against covid-19. So far about 700,000 deaths have been recorded from the disease, and the total is increasing at a rate of roughly 40,000 a week. If you also include unrecorded deaths, the actual numbers are much higher. Meanwhile, the global economy is experiencing its sharpest contraction since the Great Depression, of perhaps 8% of gdp in the first half of 2020.

In the face of this catastrophe, scientists look likely to produce a vaccine much faster than almost anyone could have predicted at the start of the pandemic. Yet global efforts to manufacture and distribute vaccines do not measure up. A mere $10bn or so has been devoted to the cause—the equivalent of ordering one pizza, rather than the several that are needed.

The figures are murky, but on a rough estimate the world has bought about 4bn doses of covid-19 vaccines for delivery by the end of next year, which is in theory enough to give half the planet one dose. In practice, however, far fewer people will secure protection from the disease. Some of the vaccines in production will fail to get regulatory approval, and a potential candidate that reaches a large-scale clinical trial—as several have—still has a 20% chance of failure. Others will be approved but may not provide full protection. They may not be suited to the elderly, for instance, or they may stop people dying from covid-19 but not from passing it to others. Other vaccines will require more than one dose in order to be effective. Because of these contingencies, even those countries, such as Britain and America, that have bought more than two doses for each of their citizens have still not bought enough.

Instead of seeing unproven vaccines as an extravagance, the world needs to think of them as an insurance policy. Research suggests that if ten or more vaccines are in development, there is a 90% chance of finding one which works. Once one of these candidates proves to be effective, billions of doses will need to be distributed quickly. But it is impossible to know in advance which candidate will succeed. Governments should therefore help pharmaceutical firms produce vast quantities of a range of different vaccines—ideally, numbering tens of billions of doses in all—long before regulatory approval is or is not granted. The winning vaccine could thus start to get to people quickly, even as doses of failed vaccines might be thrown away unused.

That may seem deliberately and needlessly lavish. Yet even boosting vaccine funding tenfold to $100bn or more, in line with the most ambitious proposals, pales in comparison with the $7trn which governments across the world have spent or pledged since the pandemic began in order to preserve incomes and jobs. The real extravagance would be to wait until a successful vaccine candidate emerges before rushing to boost production. In terms of the economic output that is saved, to say nothing of lives, it would make sense for the world to spend as much as $200bn on bringing forward an effective covid-19 vaccine by just one week.

For some, the prospect of such a heavy investment raises fears of “vaccine nationalism”, in which rich countries outspend poor ones in an attempt to corner the market for their citizens. The world as a whole can wring the most benefit out of limited supplies of vaccine by pooling resources and allocating doses on the basis of need—health-care workers first, vulnerable people next, and so forth. Around 80 countries are interested in such a deal. Unfortunately, however, politicians in some countries with manufacturing capacity are likely to put their own people first. One way to minimise the international scramble over who gets vaccines and when is to maximise supplies up front and to spread manufacturing capacity. Vaccines for the poorest countries would need to be subsidised, perhaps through gavi, the alliance that already pays for other vaccines there.

The idea of deliberately overproducing something does not sit easily with politicians, especially in a world where there are so many claims on public funds. Faced with a large manufacturing capacity that turns out to be useless, politicians risk being accused of having wasted money—as the British government was when the emergency hospitals it had built early in the pandemic were not needed. Yet politicians must be rational. You buy insurance before you know what will happen, not after.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/08/08/the-world-is-spending-nowhere-near-enough-on-a-coronavirus-vaccine?

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

They are not saying how he died or why he died and there is as yet no evidence that his brother killed him to try and harness the sympathy vote.
No doubt there will be questions asked as to whether he killed his brother at some stage during the campaign.

My first thought was a Kim Jong-Un family death type… .

Divine Angel said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

They are not saying how he died or why he died and there is as yet no evidence that his brother killed him to try and harness the sympathy vote.
No doubt there will be questions asked as to whether he killed his brother at some stage during the campaign.

My first thought was a Kim Jong-Un family death type… .

Yeah, but…why?

Witty Rejoinder said:

The world is spending nowhere near enough on a coronavirus vaccine
Far better to spend far too much
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/08/08/the-world-is-spending-nowhere-near-enough-on-a-coronavirus-vaccine

LOL

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They are not saying how he died or why he died and there is as yet no evidence that his brother killed him to try and harness the sympathy vote.
No doubt there will be questions asked as to whether he killed his brother at some stage during the campaign.

My first thought was a Kim Jong-Un family death type… .

Yeah, but…why?

Mary Trump needs material for a sequel.

I mean he was pretty old and it could have been anything.

I suppose it is unusual that there’s been no mention of COD but some families are more private like that.

dv said:

I mean he was pretty old and it could have been anything.

I suppose it is unusual that there’s been no mention of COD but some families are more private like that.

Well you almost have to shoehorn DJT into a face mask but he was wearing one when he went to see his brother a day or so ago.
Not saying he had the big 19 or anything, just saying, but yeah.

Bubblecar said:

So did Robert Trump do the covid, do we know yet?

salad bar at Marelago. :)

Anyway it can’t have been the Sino-sinusitis because it’s a deep state hoax

dv said:

Anyway it can’t have been the Sino-sinusitis because it’s a deep state hoax

I see.

Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore says NYE celebrations may not go ahead due to COVID restrictions.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/clover-moore-says-it-may-not-be-responsible-to-hold-new-year-s-eve-fireworks-20200814-p55ls0.html

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Anyway it can’t have been the Sino-sinusitis because it’s a deep state hoax

I see.

ah, the Manchu Manflu

WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard

Tau.Neutrino said:

WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard

It’s almost like the olympics.

Thank heavens we aren’t doing well in scoring.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard

It’s almost like the olympics.

Thank heavens we aren’t doing well in scoring.

Yes, in this case, lower is better.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard

It’s almost like the olympics.

Thank heavens we aren’t doing well in scoring.

It’s a race to the bottom.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard

It’s almost like the olympics.

Thank heavens we aren’t doing well in scoring.

It’s a race to the bottom.

It’s not a farking race. It’s a lottery. The speed is dependent on how fast peer reviewers get back on publications, which is a total lottery.

Does anyone here have any doubt that any one of the contenders, selected right now, would lower the death toll?

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s almost like the olympics.

Thank heavens we aren’t doing well in scoring.

It’s a race to the bottom.

It’s not a farking race. It’s a lottery. The speed is dependent on how fast peer reviewers get back on publications, which is a total lottery.

Does anyone here have any doubt that any one of the contenders, selected right now, would lower the death toll?

Have never taken bets.