Here you go. A new one.

People seem to be getting all het up about numbers in Victoria for individual days. If you look over the last week or so, you can actually see how sampling works. And that any individual number is not very useful on its own.

buffy said:

People seem to be getting all het up about numbers in Victoria for individual days. If you look over the last week or so, you can actually see how sampling works. And that any individual number is not very useful on its own.

Last night I read a post by Dan Andrews saying Victoria’s R number is only 0.86. Anything less than 1 is good.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/covid-coronavirus-quarantine-tracking-devices-to-stop-breaches/12557736

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

I’m watching for the next set of these figures to come out. They must be due soon. We are in the part of the year with more elderly deaths anyway (at least in my patient subset), so I’d really like some idea of how these COVID19 numbers affect “excess deaths” over the usual Winter effect. They might simply be replacing those who would have died of cold/flu this year, given those infections are down.

Hmm, then again, Jan to April figures were released on 22/7, so there is probably a bit of a wait for an update.

buffy said:

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

I’m watching for the next set of these figures to come out. They must be due soon. We are in the part of the year with more elderly deaths anyway (at least in my patient subset), so I’d really like some idea of how these COVID19 numbers affect “excess deaths” over the usual Winter effect. They might simply be replacing those who would have died of cold/flu this year, given those infections are down.

I’d say you won’t be far off with that estimate.

Apart from New Zealand and Victoria the Antipodes are going pretty well.

Peak Warming Man said:

Apart from New Zealand and Victoria the Antipodes are going pretty well.

Hasn’t been a case in my village at all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/queensland-borders-to-stay-shut-coronavirus-nsw-victoria/12564532

Qld borders to stay closed until no community transmission in NSW or Victoria.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/queensland-borders-to-stay-shut-coronavirus-nsw-victoria/12564532

Qld borders to stay closed until no community transmission in NSW or Victoria.

Good thing!

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/queensland-borders-to-stay-shut-coronavirus-nsw-victoria/12564532

Qld borders to stay closed until no community transmission in NSW or Victoria.

Good thing!

You are far enough from the border.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/queensland-borders-to-stay-shut-coronavirus-nsw-victoria/12564532

Qld borders to stay closed until no community transmission in NSW or Victoria.

Good thing!

You are far enough from the border.

Mrs m and I both have colds, despite lockdown precautions.

mollwollfumble said:

Mrs m and I both have colds, despite lockdown precautions.

WTF

Go and get the COVID-19 test if you haven’t already.

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/queensland-borders-to-stay-shut-coronavirus-nsw-victoria/12564532

Qld borders to stay closed until no community transmission in NSW or Victoria.

Good thing!

^

^^

wise

buffy said:

People seem to be getting all het up about numbers in Victoria for individual days. If you look over the last week or so, you can actually see how sampling works. And that any individual number is not very useful on its own.

oh c’m‘on have you seen Turkey or Russia recently

Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

People seem to be getting all het up about numbers in Victoria for individual days. If you look over the last week or so, you can actually see how sampling works. And that any individual number is not very useful on its own.

Last night I read a post by Dan Andrews saying Victoria’s R number is only 0.86. Anything less than 1 is good.

better than 1 perhaps, but only 0

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Mrs m and I both have colds, despite lockdown precautions.

WTF

Go and get the COVID-19 test if you haven’t already.

Yes!

buffy said:

People seem to be getting all het up about numbers in Victoria for individual days. If you look over the last week or so, you can actually see how sampling works. And that any individual number is not very useful on its own.

I mean the weekly figures are also pretty bad.

SAO PAULO (RNS) — When the first COVID-19 cases hit Brazil in March, the government agency in charge of protecting the country’s Indigenous peoples, the National Indigenous Foundation, ordered all civilians to leave the Indigenous reservations. Only essential workers, such as health care personnel and those involved in food distribution, could remain.

But a new law signed by President Jair Bolsonaro on July 7 has made an exception for one group: Christian missionaries. A simple form from a doctor vouching for a faith worker’s health is enough to allow the person to stay as an essential worker.

According to Eliesio Marubo, a lawyer for the Indigenous Peoples Association of the River Javari Valley, known as UNIVAJA, some missionaries had never heeded the order to leave. “A few villages reported that there were evangelical missionaries in their areas who refused to go away,” Marubo told Religion News Service.

In April, UNIVAJA sued to force the expulsion of several evangelical missionaries, at least two of whom are U.S. citizens, from the Javari Valley, an important legal victory against a group that is closely aligned with Balsonaro.

https://religionnews.com/2020/08/13/missionaries-gain-access-to-isolated-amazons-isolated-peoples-despite-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR0wxzr1XM8RhTcgNN0Lh3qEr0KU3EETH2H79u9Va8jB4feteH6RpFm47dg

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buffy said:

People seem to be getting all het up about numbers in Victoria for individual days. If you look over the last week or so, you can actually see how sampling works. And that any individual number is not very useful on its own.

I mean the weekly figures are also pretty bad.

The Australian graph looks a lot like two waves.

A production company has accused Scott Morrison of abandoning it after the Prime Minister promoted the federal government’s $400 million coronavirus arts support package at its Gold Coast studio only to find out it was ineligible for grants.

Creative Productions, which provided $100,000 in services free of charge to the Fire Fight charity concert following the summer bushfires, said it had received no revenue since March as the live production industry ground to a halt under social distancing restrictions.

more..

https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/left-for-dead-prime-minister-accused-of-using-company-as-a-prop-20200816-p55m68.html

NYC study concludes COVID-19 is as deadly as the 1918 Spanish Flu

Eric Topol, from the Scripps Research Translational Institute, is suggesting another, more ominous, perspective on these comparative numbers. Speaking to the New York Times, Topol says, taking into account all the modern medical innovations that save lives today, it is concerning that COVID-19 is delivering even similar death rates to the Spanish Flu.

“There was no such thing as an intensive care unit, there was no ventilator, there was nothing,” says Topol. “I mean, they basically had masks and distancing. We have so much more, and yet the mortality is roughly comparable.”

In the conclusion to the latest analysis from Faust and his colleagues, it is suggested the goal of this analysis was to help people contextualize the, “unusual magnitude of the COVID-19 pandemic.” Understanding the significance of the unfolding pandemic is the first step towards working to decrease transmission.

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/nyc-coronavirus-deaths-compared-spanish-flu-pandemic/

PermeateFree said:

NYC study concludes COVID-19 is as deadly as the 1918 Spanish Flu

Eric Topol, from the Scripps Research Translational Institute, is suggesting another, more ominous, perspective on these comparative numbers. Speaking to the New York Times, Topol says, taking into account all the modern medical innovations that save lives today, it is concerning that COVID-19 is delivering even similar death rates to the Spanish Flu.

“There was no such thing as an intensive care unit, there was no ventilator, there was nothing,” says Topol. “I mean, they basically had masks and distancing. We have so much more, and yet the mortality is roughly comparable.”

In the conclusion to the latest analysis from Faust and his colleagues, it is suggested the goal of this analysis was to help people contextualize the, “unusual magnitude of the COVID-19 pandemic.” Understanding the significance of the unfolding pandemic is the first step towards working to decrease transmission.

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/nyc-coronavirus-deaths-compared-spanish-flu-pandemic/

So it really is just a nasty ‘flu’ then ¿ Everyone knew it ¡ No problem we needed something to knock off those not productive expensive old farts, the normal ‘flu’ wasn’t doing it, good ¡

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

NYC study concludes COVID-19 is as deadly as the 1918 Spanish Flu

Eric Topol, from the Scripps Research Translational Institute, is suggesting another, more ominous, perspective on these comparative numbers. Speaking to the New York Times, Topol says, taking into account all the modern medical innovations that save lives today, it is concerning that COVID-19 is delivering even similar death rates to the Spanish Flu.

“There was no such thing as an intensive care unit, there was no ventilator, there was nothing,” says Topol. “I mean, they basically had masks and distancing. We have so much more, and yet the mortality is roughly comparable.”

In the conclusion to the latest analysis from Faust and his colleagues, it is suggested the goal of this analysis was to help people contextualize the, “unusual magnitude of the COVID-19 pandemic.” Understanding the significance of the unfolding pandemic is the first step towards working to decrease transmission.

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/nyc-coronavirus-deaths-compared-spanish-flu-pandemic/

So it really is just a nasty ‘flu’ then ¿ Everyone knew it ¡ No problem we needed something to knock off those not productive expensive old farts, the normal ‘flu’ wasn’t doing it, good ¡

From our resident bonobo scientist.

The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald revealed last week that patient zero in the surge now plaguing the state was not a badly behaved security guard but a night duty manager at the Rydges hotel on Swanston Street, one of the busiest quarantine hotels, labelled the “red hotel”.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/no-lines-of-control-hotel-quarantine-fell-short-from-outset-inquiry-hears-20200817-p55mds.html

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Everyone Was Fingering Security Guards [But] Might Have To Withdraw The Accusations

Earliest Known Transmission Route Might Have Been Environmentally Infected Hotel Staff

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/victoria-patient-zero-coronavirus-second-wave-rydges-on-swanston/12560340

We know that a hotel staff member was the first publicly reported case at the hotel, apart from returned travellers.

On May 27, the Department of Health and Human Services announced a case had been detected in a staff member at the hotel.

The same day, the hotel confirmed separately that a staff member had tested positive to COVID-19.

The number of cases linked to the hotel quickly grew.

The next day, a contracted security guard working as part of the government-run hotel quarantine program was confirmed as a positive case.

I did wonder this morning when I heard this on the radio about how the Victorian opposition leader was going to back out of his accusations. He is like a little rooster, running around complaining but never offering any ideas about possible solutions.

Possibly satire:

The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald revealed last week that patient zero in the surge now plaguing the state was not a badly behaved security guard but a night duty manager at the Rydges hotel on Swanston Street, one of the busiest quarantine hotels, labelled the “red hotel”.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/no-lines-of-control-hotel-quarantine-fell-short-from-outset-inquiry-hears-20200817-p55mds.html

Imagine finding ways to control infection instead of looking for people to blame ¡

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Mrs m and I both have colds, despite lockdown precautions.

WTF

Go and get the COVID-19 test if you haven’t already.

Yes!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/victoria-coronavirus-update-25-deaths-282-new-cases/12564418

We are knocking out the over 90s.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/victoria-coronavirus-update-25-deaths-282-new-cases/12564418

We are knocking out the over 90s.

Going all Swedish on us.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/victoria-coronavirus-update-25-deaths-282-new-cases/12564418

We are knocking out the over 90s.

Going all Swedish on us.

poik…do you know how often this is updated?

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

The excess deaths should be interesting. As cold and flu levels are down, it’s conceivable we simply have a different respiratory death maker this year. Cold and flu do take out quite a few of the elderly over Winter usually.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/sewage-surveillance.aspx

The sewage surveillance research program tests untreated sewage for fragments of the COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) virus to provide data to support NSW Health’s response. The virus that causes COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, is just one of many viruses present in sewage. This research program detects viral fragments of SARS-CoV-2, not infectious viruses.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969720322816

SARS-CoV-2 RNA was concentrated from wastewater in a catchment in Australia and viral RNA copies were enumerated using reverse transcriptase quantitative polymerase chain reaction (RT-qPCR) resulting in two positive detections within a six day period from the same wastewater treatment plant (WWTP). The estimated viral RNA copy numbers observed in the wastewater were then used to estimate the number of infected individuals in the catchment via Monte Carlo simulation. Given the uncertainty and variation in the input parameters, the model estimated a median range of 171 to 1,090 infected persons in the catchment, which is in reasonable agreement with clinical observations.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/covid-19-traces-found-at-newcastle-sewage-treatment-plant/12545470

Makes sense, they have had a few cases there of late.

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Altruistic Victorian Putting His Own Personal Freedom On The Line For The Rest Of Us

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/vic-footage-shows-police-officer-thrown-from-reversing-car/12566488

Why is this covid? Wasn’t the perpetrator stealing a car?

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

WTF

Go and get the COVID-19 test if you haven’t already.

Yes!

Date: 22/07/2020 10:46:24

From: mollwollfumble

ID: 1593844

Subject: re: Memes of a Covid Teen 8

I have sung in church after covid started. Everybody is facing the same way. Nobody is coughing or sneezing.

The church I was singing at had social distancing in place and I was wearing a mask, but that’s beside the point. It was quite safe without that.

NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said some people with symptoms had not been tested because they thought they had the flu. “We have very low rates of influenza circulating,” she said. “So if you have symptoms, respiratory symptoms of cough, fever, sore throat, runny nose, headache, aches and pains, it is most likely that you have COVID, not flu.”

That’s NSW, not VIC, but remember there’s about 1000 times more COVID-19 in VIC at the moment so… seriously.

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Altruistic Victorian Putting His Own Personal Freedom On The Line For The Rest Of Us

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/vic-footage-shows-police-officer-thrown-from-reversing-car/12566488

Why is this covid? Wasn’t the perpetrator stealing a car?

Pardon.

The officer received minor injuries, and the driver was taken to hospital for a non-related medical condition and placed under police guard. Victoria Police said the man was believed to be in breach of the Chief Health Officer’s directions and he could be fined. Wayne Gatt, secretary of the Victorian Police Association, said two officers were now in isolation. It is believed the driver has tested positive to COVID-19.

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Altruistic Victorian Putting His Own Personal Freedom On The Line For The Rest Of Us

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/vic-footage-shows-police-officer-thrown-from-reversing-car/12566488

Why is this covid? Wasn’t the perpetrator stealing a car?

Pardon.

The officer received minor injuries, and the driver was taken to hospital for a non-related medical condition and placed under police guard. Victoria Police said the man was believed to be in breach of the Chief Health Officer’s directions and he could be fined. Wayne Gatt, secretary of the Victorian Police Association, said two officers were now in isolation. It is believed the driver has tested positive to COVID-19.

Oh OK. On the news it said he was trying to stop the man stealing a car. But that was probably channel 7.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Yes!

Date: 22/07/2020 10:46:24

From: mollwollfumble

ID: 1593844

Subject: re: Memes of a Covid Teen 8

I have sung in church after covid started. Everybody is facing the same way. Nobody is coughing or sneezing.

The church I was singing at had social distancing in place and I was wearing a mask, but that’s beside the point. It was quite safe without that.

NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said some people with symptoms had not been tested because they thought they had the flu. “We have very low rates of influenza circulating,” she said. “So if you have symptoms, respiratory symptoms of cough, fever, sore throat, runny nose, headache, aches and pains, it is most likely that you have COVID, not flu.”

That’s NSW, not VIC, but remember there’s about 1000 times more COVID-19 in VIC at the moment so… seriously.

Moll’s afraid that if he goes back to a doctor it will be the psych ward again…

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Altruistic Victorian Putting His Own Personal Freedom On The Line For The Rest Of Us

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/vic-footage-shows-police-officer-thrown-from-reversing-car/12566488

Why is this covid? Wasn’t the perpetrator stealing a car?

Just saw that footage. The policeman got up and ran after the person. Great example of fight or flight…I bet he was hyper for ages after that.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Date: 22/07/2020 10:46:24

From: mollwollfumble

ID: 1593844

Subject: re: Memes of a Covid Teen 8

I have sung in church after covid started. Everybody is facing the same way. Nobody is coughing or sneezing.

The church I was singing at had social distancing in place and I was wearing a mask, but that’s beside the point. It was quite safe without that.

NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said some people with symptoms had not been tested because they thought they had the flu. “We have very low rates of influenza circulating,” she said. “So if you have symptoms, respiratory symptoms of cough, fever, sore throat, runny nose, headache, aches and pains, it is most likely that you have COVID, not flu.”

That’s NSW, not VIC, but remember there’s about 1000 times more COVID-19 in VIC at the moment so… seriously.

Moll’s afraid that if he goes back to a doctor it will be the psych ward again…

Really?
I would never have known.

Melbourne Theatre Company gives up on 2020 season. More than 320 people out of work.

https://www.theage.com.au/culture/theatre/melbourne-theatre-company-gives-up-hope-on-2020-season-20200817-p55mgi.html

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Altruistic Victorian Putting His Own Personal Freedom On The Line For The Rest Of Us

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/vic-footage-shows-police-officer-thrown-from-reversing-car/12566488

Why is this covid? Wasn’t the perpetrator stealing a car?

Just saw that footage. The policeman got up and ran after the person. Great example of fight or flight…I bet he was hyper for ages after that.

>>Jahdon Tamati was remanded to Melbourne Magistrates’ Court today.

He was charged with aggravated intentional and reckless exposure of a police officer to risk by driving, assaulting police, resisting arrest, theft of a motor vehicle and numerous traffic offences.<<

From the link at the ABC

Which brings us to a new point. Remember behavior-altering parasites in other animals?

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Which brings us to a new point. Remember behavior-altering parasites in other animals?

Rabies causes the host to be aggressive and prone to biting others. This along with increased salivation, which carries the virus, increases the chances of it spreading to new hosts.

Toxoplasma gondii infects animals from the family Felidae (its definitive host), and its oocysts are shed with the host’s feces. When a rodent consumes the fecal matter it gets infected with the parasite (becoming its intermediate host). The rodent subsequently becomes more extroverted and less fearful of cats, increasing its chance of predation and the parasite’s chance of completing its lifecycle.

Microphallus sp., uses the snail Potamopyrgus antipodarum as an intermediate host. The parasite manipulates the snail’s foraging behavior to increase the chance of it being preyed upon by the parasite’s definitive hosts (waterfowl). The infected snail forages on the upper side of rocks during the period of the day when waterfowl feed most intensely. During the rest of the day, the snail forages at the bottom of rocks to reduce the risk of being eaten by fish (non-hosts for the parasitic trematode).

The trematode Leucochloridium paradoxum matures inside snails of the genus Succinea. When ready to switch to its definitive host, a bird, the parasite travels to the eye stalks of its host and begins to pulsate, attracting birds with its striking resemblance to an insect larva. It also influences the normally nocturnal snail to climb out into the open during the day for an increased chance of being consumed by a bird.

The parasitic wasp Hymenoepimecis argyraphaga grows its larvae on spiders of the species Leucauge argyra. Shortly before killing its host the larva injects it with a chemical that changes its weaving behavior, causing it to weave a strong, cocoon-like structure. The larva then kills the spider and enters the cocoon to pupate.

Strepsiptera of the family Myrmecolacidae can cause their ant host to linger on the tips of grass leaves, increasing the chance of being found by the parasite’s males (in case of females) and putting them in a good position for male emergence (in case of males). A similar, but much more intricate behavior is exhibited by ants infected with the fungus Ophiocordyceps unilateralis: irregularly-timed body convulsions cause the ant to drop to the forest floor, from which it climbs a plant up to a certain height before locking its jaws into the vein of one of its leaves answering certain criteria of direction, temperature and humidity. After several days the fruiting body of the fungus grows from the ant’s head and ruptures, releasing the fungus’s spores.

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Victoria Police Discover Neuropsychiatric Complications Of COVID-19 That Researchers Have Been Looking For

It causes pneumonia, myocarditis, chronic fatigue, thrombotic stroke, multisystem inflammatory syndrome with vasculitis, and death… but medical experts have been struggling to pin down its specific neurological sequelae… until now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/vic-footage-shows-police-officer-thrown-from-reversing-car/12566488

It has been suspected for months that COVID-19 can cause neurological dysfunction above and beyond its tendency to thicken the blood and disrupt blood vessels leading to stroke. Vague viral fatigue symptoms aside, however, no clearer epidemiological picture has emerged to connect SARS-CoV-2 infection with specific nerve-related complications — until today. Victoria Police officers put their lives, and those of their families and other close contacts, on the line today in South Yarra, one of the most privileged inner-Melbourne suburbs. Their investigation uncovered what months of medical research could not: that in certain cases, SARS-CoV-2 infection causes the host organism (typically already an entitled prick of a human) to develop what can only be described in the literature as pathological selfishness.

Symptoms of this ethological parasite-host interaction include: vociferous defence of “rights” and “personal freedom”; mistrust and opposition to all forms of expertise and authority, especially those with higher education or medical knowledge; making rules that apply only to others; tendency to apportion blame to any and all other entities; demanding that economies open at the cost of millions of lives; playing the victim; waving guns around; and generally just being the biggest constipated arsehole possible while overflowing with shit at the same time.

Refs?

roughbarked said:

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It has been suspected for months that COVID-19 can cause neurological dysfunction above and beyond its tendency to thicken the blood and disrupt blood vessels leading to stroke. Vague viral fatigue symptoms aside, however, no clearer epidemiological picture has emerged to connect SARS-CoV-2 infection with specific nerve-related complications — until today. Victoria Police officers put their lives, and those of their families and other close contacts, on the line today in South Yarra, one of the most privileged inner-Melbourne suburbs. Their investigation uncovered what months of medical research could not: that in certain cases, SARS-CoV-2 infection causes the host organism (typically already an entitled prick of a human) to develop what can only be described in the literature as pathological selfishness.

Symptoms of this ethological parasite-host interaction include: vociferous defence of “rights” and “personal freedom”; mistrust and opposition to all forms of expertise and authority, especially those with higher education or medical knowledge; making rules that apply only to others; tendency to apportion blame to any and all other entities; demanding that economies open at the cost of millions of lives; playing the victim; waving guns around; and generally just being the biggest constipated arsehole possible while overflowing with shit at the same time.

Refs?

See phenomenon occurring in USSA, they’re running around the open economy without masks trying to kill off all their not-useful-but-expensive over-60s.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

It has been suspected for months that COVID-19 can cause neurological dysfunction above and beyond its tendency to thicken the blood and disrupt blood vessels leading to stroke. Vague viral fatigue symptoms aside, however, no clearer epidemiological picture has emerged to connect SARS-CoV-2 infection with specific nerve-related complications — until today. Victoria Police officers put their lives, and those of their families and other close contacts, on the line today in South Yarra, one of the most privileged inner-Melbourne suburbs. Their investigation uncovered what months of medical research could not: that in certain cases, SARS-CoV-2 infection causes the host organism (typically already an entitled prick of a human) to develop what can only be described in the literature as pathological selfishness.

Symptoms of this ethological parasite-host interaction include: vociferous defence of “rights” and “personal freedom”; mistrust and opposition to all forms of expertise and authority, especially those with higher education or medical knowledge; making rules that apply only to others; tendency to apportion blame to any and all other entities; demanding that economies open at the cost of millions of lives; playing the victim; waving guns around; and generally just being the biggest constipated arsehole possible while overflowing with shit at the same time.

Refs?

See phenomenon occurring in USSA, they’re running around the open economy without masks trying to kill off all their not-useful-but-expensive over-60s.

I see the phenomenon.
I don’t see much reference to research as yet.
If you do have this, I’d love to see it also.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/victoria-coronavirus-update-25-deaths-282-new-cases/12564418

We are knocking out the over 90s.

Going all Swedish on us.

poik…do you know how often this is updated?

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

The excess deaths should be interesting. As cold and flu levels are down, it’s conceivable we simply have a different respiratory death maker this year. Cold and flu do take out quite a few of the elderly over Winter usually.

NFI, the fed gubmint doesn’t fund/seriously reduced the ABS funding so you can generally refer to their numbers as ‘numberwang’.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Going all Swedish on us.

poik…do you know how often this is updated?

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

The excess deaths should be interesting. As cold and flu levels are down, it’s conceivable we simply have a different respiratory death maker this year. Cold and flu do take out quite a few of the elderly over Winter usually.

NFI, the fed gubmint doesn’t fund/seriously reduced the ABS funding so you can generally refer to their numbers as ‘numberwang’.

The Libs seem to plunder all the honeypots to spruce up their image.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poik…do you know how often this is updated?

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

The excess deaths should be interesting. As cold and flu levels are down, it’s conceivable we simply have a different respiratory death maker this year. Cold and flu do take out quite a few of the elderly over Winter usually.

NFI, the fed gubmint doesn’t fund/seriously reduced the ABS funding so you can generally refer to their numbers as ‘numberwang’.

The Libs seem to plunder all the honeypots to spruce up their image.

The Labs did it as well, they all fucked.

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

NFI, the fed gubmint doesn’t fund/seriously reduced the ABS funding so you can generally refer to their numbers as ‘numberwang’.

The Libs seem to plunder all the honeypots to spruce up their image.

The Labs did it as well, they all fucked.

We Need Someone Who Will Drain The Swamp ¡

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

NFI, the fed gubmint doesn’t fund/seriously reduced the ABS funding so you can generally refer to their numbers as ‘numberwang’.

The Libs seem to plunder all the honeypots to spruce up their image.

The Labs did it as well, they all fucked.

yair to be fair, they’s all screwed up.

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

The Libs seem to plunder all the honeypots to spruce up their image.

The Labs did it as well, they all fucked.

We Need Someone Who Will Drain The Swamp ¡

We are all here. Which of us would you pick?

This looks like a good mask pattern for the home sewers. Wait, that last word doesn’t look right. For the people who like to sew stuff at home.

https://www.irisluckhaus.de/en/2020/diy-cloth-mask-tutorial/

ruby said:

This looks like a good mask pattern for the home sewers. Wait, that last word doesn’t look right. For the people who like to sew stuff at home.

https://www.irisluckhaus.de/en/2020/diy-cloth-mask-tutorial/

seamster possibly

SCIENCE said:

ruby said:

This looks like a good mask pattern for the home sewers. Wait, that last word doesn’t look right. For the people who like to sew stuff at home.

https://www.irisluckhaus.de/en/2020/diy-cloth-mask-tutorial/

seamster possibly

I’ll hand it to the mrs rough persona.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

ruby said:

This looks like a good mask pattern for the home sewers. Wait, that last word doesn’t look right. For the people who like to sew stuff at home.

https://www.irisluckhaus.de/en/2020/diy-cloth-mask-tutorial/

seamster possibly

I’ll hand it to the mrs rough persona.

and it is fine as long as they aren’t called sowers.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

seamster possibly

I’ll hand it to the mrs rough persona.

and it is fine as long as they aren’t called sowers.

Are needles and thread be classed as “Sewage”?

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

I’ll hand it to the mrs rough persona.

and it is fine as long as they aren’t called sowers.

Are needles and thread be classed as “Sewage”?

If they are found in there, yeah.

ruby said:

This looks like a good mask pattern for the home sewers. Wait, that last word doesn’t look right. For the people who like to sew stuff at home.

https://www.irisluckhaus.de/en/2020/diy-cloth-mask-tutorial/

I am using Tiana’s closet patterns. Probably needs a slightly higher skill level that the folded masks. They fit quite well though. I found it by Google search for duckbill masks. But I had a good idea what I was looking for.

https://tianascloset.com/index.php/2020/02/06/face-mask-against-the-coronavirus-epidemic/

SCIENCE said:

ruby said:

This looks like a good mask pattern for the home sewers. Wait, that last word doesn’t look right. For the people who like to sew stuff at home.

https://www.irisluckhaus.de/en/2020/diy-cloth-mask-tutorial/

seamster possibly

That would be seamstress. But being careful of the Pratchett definition.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

ruby said:

This looks like a good mask pattern for the home sewers. Wait, that last word doesn’t look right. For the people who like to sew stuff at home.

https://www.irisluckhaus.de/en/2020/diy-cloth-mask-tutorial/

seamster possibly

That would be seamstress. But being careful of the Pratchett definition.

;) I left it alone.

And lest moll should be lonely in his mask development, I went back to R&D tonight and ran up a mask made of fine wool fabric. I only make 2 layer masks (except for ones for Melbourne) because I pretty much only wear them where social distancing is possible. I am wondering if the woollen fabric will make breathing easier, relieve some of the glasses fogging thing. Like woollen jumpers are better at heat regulation than synthetic ones. Most of the masks I’ve made have been cotton or cotton blend. The best so far are lightweight cotton voile.

I’ll trial the woollen one tomorrow when we do the meat run to Casterton. We need to go via the tip in Hamilton…the metal and electrics stuff has been waiting for nearly 6 months to go now, and apparently the tip is open sometimes.

buffy said:

And lest moll should be lonely in his mask development, I went back to R&D tonight and ran up a mask made of fine wool fabric. I only make 2 layer masks (except for ones for Melbourne) because I pretty much only wear them where social distancing is possible. I am wondering if the woollen fabric will make breathing easier, relieve some of the glasses fogging thing. Like woollen jumpers are better at heat regulation than synthetic ones. Most of the masks I’ve made have been cotton or cotton blend. The best so far are lightweight cotton voile.

I’ll trial the woollen one tomorrow when we do the meat run to Casterton. We need to go via the tip in Hamilton…the metal and electrics stuff has been waiting for nearly 6 months to go now, and apparently the tip is open sometimes.

Good thinking 99. Have you got any of that fine merino stuff they use in thermals?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

And lest moll should be lonely in his mask development, I went back to R&D tonight and ran up a mask made of fine wool fabric. I only make 2 layer masks (except for ones for Melbourne) because I pretty much only wear them where social distancing is possible. I am wondering if the woollen fabric will make breathing easier, relieve some of the glasses fogging thing. Like woollen jumpers are better at heat regulation than synthetic ones. Most of the masks I’ve made have been cotton or cotton blend. The best so far are lightweight cotton voile.

I’ll trial the woollen one tomorrow when we do the meat run to Casterton. We need to go via the tip in Hamilton…the metal and electrics stuff has been waiting for nearly 6 months to go now, and apparently the tip is open sometimes.

Good thinking 99. Have you got any of that fine merino stuff they use in thermals?

I’m using fine wool dress fabric. It’s quite a thin fabric. Probably similar. I have a pair of merino joggers which I bought for doing archery in the mid Winter. They are a thin fabric, so I thought “this isn’t going to work”. They are amazingly effective. Even though archery is now shut down again…

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

And lest moll should be lonely in his mask development, I went back to R&D tonight and ran up a mask made of fine wool fabric. I only make 2 layer masks (except for ones for Melbourne) because I pretty much only wear them where social distancing is possible. I am wondering if the woollen fabric will make breathing easier, relieve some of the glasses fogging thing. Like woollen jumpers are better at heat regulation than synthetic ones. Most of the masks I’ve made have been cotton or cotton blend. The best so far are lightweight cotton voile.

I’ll trial the woollen one tomorrow when we do the meat run to Casterton. We need to go via the tip in Hamilton…the metal and electrics stuff has been waiting for nearly 6 months to go now, and apparently the tip is open sometimes.

Good thinking 99. Have you got any of that fine merino stuff they use in thermals?

I’m using fine wool dress fabric. It’s quite a thin fabric. Probably similar. I have a pair of merino joggers which I bought for doing archery in the mid Winter. They are a thin fabric, so I thought “this isn’t going to work”. They are amazingly effective. Even though archery is now shut down again…

I await your research, in the meantime I’ll see if ms rb is interested.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Date: 22/07/2020 10:46:24

From: mollwollfumble

ID: 1593844

Subject: re: Memes of a Covid Teen 8

I have sung in church after covid started. Everybody is facing the same way. Nobody is coughing or sneezing.

The church I was singing at had social distancing in place and I was wearing a mask, but that’s beside the point. It was quite safe without that.

NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said some people with symptoms had not been tested because they thought they had the flu. “We have very low rates of influenza circulating,” she said. “So if you have symptoms, respiratory symptoms of cough, fever, sore throat, runny nose, headache, aches and pains, it is most likely that you have COVID, not flu.”

That’s NSW, not VIC, but remember there’s about 1000 times more COVID-19 in VIC at the moment so… seriously.

Moll’s afraid that if he goes back to a doctor it will be the psych ward again…

Really?
I would never have known.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/coronavirus-or-the-flu-do-not-dismiss-sniffles-say-health-expert/12566376

Coronavirus or flu? Officials warn Australians not to write off winter sniffles as testing rates drop

If you suspect that those flu-like symptoms you’ve been experiencing are actually something more serious, you could be right. Near record low figures for influenza in 2020 mean it is far less likely the winter illness you’ve been struck down with is the traditional flu. “If you’ve got symptoms, even very mild symptoms, there’s every chance that you’ve got this ,” was the stark warning from Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on Monday. “If you have symptoms — respiratory symptoms — of cough, fever, a sore throat, a runny nose, headache, aches and pains, it is most likely you have COVID, not flu,” Dr Chant said. Dr Chant said that NSW’s “very low rates of influenza circulating” meant that alarm bells should be ringing if someone wakes up with a fever or aches and pains.

This winter, no-one has died from influenza across Australia, which is a remarkable statistic. By mid-August 2019 — a particularly bad year for flu — there were 486 deaths from 214,377 cases. By observing strict social distancing and improved hand hygiene during the pandemic, Australians have reduced the transmission of the flu, and even the common cold.

Sharon Stone has condemned “non-mask wearers” for the fate of her younger sister, who is hospitalised with coronavirus and “fighting for her life”.

The actor, 62, shared photographs on Instagram of the equipment in her sister’s room, as well as a medical worker in full PPE. She wrote in the caption: “My sister Kelly, who already has lupus, now has Covid-19. This is her hospital room. One of the Non-Mask wearers did this,” Stone wrote.

“She does not have an immune system. The only place she went was the pharmacy.”

Stone added: “Can YOU FACE THIS ROOM ALONE? Wear a mask! For yourself and others. Please.”

In an Instagram video, Stone expanded on her sister’s condition, saying that Kelly’s husband, Bruce Singer, is also “fighting for his life” in a coronavirus ward.

The family live in Montana, where testing is confined only to those with symptoms. Stone said her mother, who has had two heart attacks, five stents and a pacemaker fitted since lockdown, has been unable to get tested.

Stone said she had tried unsuccessfully to contact the governor of Montana and the health department.

“My grandmother died of Covid and my godmother died of Covid,” said Stone. “My sister and her husband are fighting for their lives and my sister is not doing well.”

Stone ended her video by urging viewers to vote, expressing support for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in their campaign for the US presidency.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/aug/17/sharon-stone-blames-mask-refuseniks-sister-covid-hospital

o-oh.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/sydney-news-nsw-coronavirus-community-sport-rules-tightened/12566322

“As Queensland passes four weeks without community transmission of COVID-19, the State Government’s goal posts for a southern border reopening have just become a whole lot clearer.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said yesterday the Government had no intention of opening Queensland’s borders to any state or territory that still had community transmission.

With thousands of coronavirus cases still being monitored in Victoria, many of which can be linked to community transmission, as well as an “accumulation of unsourced cases” in New South Wales, it could take months for those states to reach a point where they can show evidence of zero community transmission.

To further delay that timeline, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer (CHO) Jeannette Young indicated states would need to be free of community transmission for one month before borders reopened, to allow for two incubation periods.”

…………………………………………………………………

I’m pleased with this announcement. Very pleased.

:)
…………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-queensland-border-restrictions-in-place-months/12541758

Michael V said:

“As Queensland passes four weeks without community transmission of COVID-19, the State Government’s goal posts for a southern border reopening have just become a whole lot clearer.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said yesterday the Government had no intention of opening Queensland’s borders to any state or territory that still had community transmission.

With thousands of coronavirus cases still being monitored in Victoria, many of which can be linked to community transmission, as well as an “accumulation of unsourced cases” in New South Wales, it could take months for those states to reach a point where they can show evidence of zero community transmission.

To further delay that timeline, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer (CHO) Jeannette Young indicated states would need to be free of community transmission for one month before borders reopened, to allow for two incubation periods.”

…………………………………………………………………

I’m pleased with this announcement. Very pleased.

:)
…………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-queensland-border-restrictions-in-place-months/12541758

So Qld is the smart State.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

“As Queensland passes four weeks without community transmission of COVID-19, the State Government’s goal posts for a southern border reopening have just become a whole lot clearer.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said yesterday the Government had no intention of opening Queensland’s borders to any state or territory that still had community transmission.

With thousands of coronavirus cases still being monitored in Victoria, many of which can be linked to community transmission, as well as an “accumulation of unsourced cases” in New South Wales, it could take months for those states to reach a point where they can show evidence of zero community transmission.

To further delay that timeline, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer (CHO) Jeannette Young indicated states would need to be free of community transmission for one month before borders reopened, to allow for two incubation periods.”

…………………………………………………………………

I’m pleased with this announcement. Very pleased.

:)
…………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-queensland-border-restrictions-in-place-months/12541758

So Qld is the smart State.

No, I would say, if closing borders and keeping them closed makes you smart then WA trumps Qld there…

Michael V said:

“As Queensland passes four weeks without community transmission of COVID-19, the State Government’s goal posts for a southern border reopening have just become a whole lot clearer.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said yesterday the Government had no intention of opening Queensland’s borders to any state or territory that still had community transmission.

With thousands of coronavirus cases still being monitored in Victoria, many of which can be linked to community transmission, as well as an “accumulation of unsourced cases” in New South Wales, it could take months for those states to reach a point where they can show evidence of zero community transmission.

To further delay that timeline, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer (CHO) Jeannette Young indicated states would need to be free of community transmission for one month before borders reopened, to allow for two incubation periods.”

…………………………………………………………………

I’m pleased with this announcement. Very pleased.

:)
…………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-queensland-border-restrictions-in-place-months/12541758

That could take years.

furious said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

“As Queensland passes four weeks without community transmission of COVID-19, the State Government’s goal posts for a southern border reopening have just become a whole lot clearer.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said yesterday the Government had no intention of opening Queensland’s borders to any state or territory that still had community transmission.

With thousands of coronavirus cases still being monitored in Victoria, many of which can be linked to community transmission, as well as an “accumulation of unsourced cases” in New South Wales, it could take months for those states to reach a point where they can show evidence of zero community transmission.

To further delay that timeline, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer (CHO) Jeannette Young indicated states would need to be free of community transmission for one month before borders reopened, to allow for two incubation periods.”

…………………………………………………………………

I’m pleased with this announcement. Very pleased.

:)
…………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-queensland-border-restrictions-in-place-months/12541758

So Qld is the smart State.

No, I would say, if closing borders and keeping them closed makes you smart then WA trumps Qld there…

not sure if using the word “trumps” for a state of being smart state means more or less really

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

Tamb said:

So Qld is the smart State.

No, I would say, if closing borders and keeping them closed makes you smart then WA trumps Qld there…

not sure if using the word “trumps” for a state of being smart state means more or less really

I did pause when I wrote that but it is an acceptable use of the word…

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Tasmania’s borders will stay closed until at least December 1

wow.

Wow + 1

bringing thread into line

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-tasmania-borders-closed-till-december/12569504

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

obviously lying again

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

obviously lying again

China has Coronavirus contained is good at lying

Victoria’s coronavirus crisis traced back to seven returned travellers, hotel quarantine inquiry told

Key points:

• A family of four displayed symptoms, before workers at Rydges were infected
• 90 per cent of current cases in Victoria can be traced back to this outbreak
• Two smaller, separate outbreaks occurred at the Stamford Hotel

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

At the risk of being racist, could it be that the intelligence of the Chinese people is greater than that of Americans?

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

At the risk of being racist, could it be that the intelligence of the Chinese people is greater than that of Americans?

but USSAole isn’t a race

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

At the risk of being racist, could it be that the intelligence of the Chinese people is greater than that of Americans?

but USSAole isn’t a race

sorry actually it is, à race to the bottom

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

looks dodgy. 7 random numbers. 3 are the same.

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

looks dodgy. 7 random numbers. 3 are the same.

Yeah they should have made it look more like Turkey’s numbers ¡

I see the Lib/Nat fans in Vic are rallying to block the extension of the State of Emergency Regs.

One can only hope they’ve found some way to convince the virus to throw up its hands and surrender on the 16th of September.

Rule 303 said:

I see the Lib/Nat fans in Vic are rallying to block the extension of the State of Emergency Regs.

One can only hope they’ve found some way to convince the virus to throw up its hands and surrender on the 16th of September.

Fuck Clive Palmer

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

looks dodgy. 7 random numbers. 3 are the same.

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Lib/Nat fans in Vic are rallying to block the extension of the State of Emergency Regs.

One can only hope they’ve found some way to convince the virus to throw up its hands and surrender on the 16th of September.

Fuck Clive Palmer

Can someone give the virus to Clive Palmer.

He might shut up for a while.

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Lib/Nat fans in Vic are rallying to block the extension of the State of Emergency Regs.

One can only hope they’ve found some way to convince the virus to throw up its hands and surrender on the 16th of September.

Fuck Clive Palmer

We have been through this. Nobody wants to.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Lib/Nat fans in Vic are rallying to block the extension of the State of Emergency Regs.

One can only hope they’ve found some way to convince the virus to throw up its hands and surrender on the 16th of September.

Fuck Clive Palmer

Can someone give the virus to Clive Palmer.

He might shut up for a while.

And increase his risk of heart attack, the obese fat pig that he is.

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

Yesterday was Sunday’s reporting. For some reason this virus doesn’t like killing people on the weekends. I’m certain the figure will be back up to normal tonight.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

I see the Lib/Nat fans in Vic are rallying to block the extension of the State of Emergency Regs.

One can only hope they’ve found some way to convince the virus to throw up its hands and surrender on the 16th of September.

Fuck Clive Palmer

We have been through this. Nobody wants to.

I no love you long time hey

Gutwein gave his press conference in the Astor Grill in front of the whiskey bar.

There is going to be some package to assist Tasmanians to holiday in Tasmania.

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Trump calls out New Zealand’s ‘terrible’ Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases

Donald Trump has called out New Zealand for its recent Covid-19 outbreak, saying the places the world hailed as a success story is now facing a “big surge” in cases.

“The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!.

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota.

Talking about beating Covid-19, how’s China doing lately?

22 new cases yesterday. Let’s see.

12 Aug – 25 new cases
13 Aug – 19 new cases
14 Aug – 30 new cases
15 Aug – 22 new cases
16 Aug – 19 new cases
17 Aug – 22 new cases
18 Aug – 22 new cases

Worldwide yesterday: lowest new deaths since 27 July, but I wouldn’t read too much into that, new deaths are pretty well constant.

Yesterday was Sunday’s reporting. For some reason this virus doesn’t like killing people on the weekends. I’m certain the figure will be back up to normal tonight.

It’s only good Christian countries like USA and Brazil where that happens.

Heathen countries like India have much the same death rate every day.

sarahs mum said:

Gutwein gave his press conference in the Astor Grill in front of the whiskey bar.

There is going to be some package to assist Tasmanians to holiday in Tasmania.

Is it maps?

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Gutwein gave his press conference in the Astor Grill in front of the whiskey bar.

There is going to be some package to assist Tasmanians to holiday in Tasmania.

Is it maps?

Perhaps.

Whatever assistance it is it is only available weekdays.

For those who missed it

Australia’s second coronavirus wave: what went wrong in Victoria | Four Corners

For months, Australia was the envy of the world with COVID-19 infections largely under control. A breach in Melbourne’s hotel quarantine program changed that and left the nation anxiously watching the state tackle round two of Australia’s coronavirus fight.

We investigate what went so terribly, tragically wrong in Victoria.

So you know how on the next 1 to 3 weeks they’ll start talking about how COVID-19 really is surviving on frozen packaging and it was all true after all, start routinely screening imports, everyone will think they have all avenues of getting fucked by this thing covered, and then in another 1 to 3 months there will be more inexplicable outbreaks and it’ll turn out the migratory birds or whatever similar are carrying this shit and good fucking game shoot them all down now ¡

Rule 303 said:

I see the Lib/Nat fans in Vic are rallying to block the extension of the State of Emergency Regs.

One can only hope they’ve found some way to convince the virus to throw up its hands and surrender on the 16th of September.

More covidiots…

“The origin of the latest outbreak is still unknown.

One theory was that there was transmission at an Auckland cold storage facility, where one of the recently infected individuals worked.

But investigations found the new infections were not linked to material arriving from overseas at the Americold cold-storage facility.

“It seems clear now that the possibility is being ruled out from that investigation,” Mr Bloomfield said.”

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The thick plottens.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/new-zealand-records-13-new-coronavirus-cases/12569236

Another covidiot.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-sydney-covid-19-hotspot/12567062

O…K…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/nsw-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-security-guard-investigated/12570336

“Dr Chant says one of NSW’s cases is a security guard at one of the quarantine hotels

Dr Chant says people who were in close contact with the guard while they were infectious have been contacted and placed in isolation.

Genome sequencing traced the security guard’s infection to a returned overseas traveller who was staying at the Marriott Hotel at Circular Quay earlier this month.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-sydney-covid-19-hotspot/12567062

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-08-18/victorian-agriculture-workers-can-cross-into-nsw-coronavirus/12558944

PWM just needs this extended to the Queensland end of NSW.

>>Victoria’s Premier Daniel Andrews has joined NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian in expressing concerns over a drop in the number of people coming forward for coronavirus testing.

In Victoria, 30,000 fewer people were tested over the past week, compared with the previous week.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-daniel-andrews-testing/12567062

It might be that fewer people have symptoms, if the spread of the virus is slowing. As far as I know, it’s still test if you’ve got symptoms, not just if you’ve got nothing else to do today.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-08-18/victorian-agriculture-workers-can-cross-into-nsw-coronavirus/12558944

PWM just needs this extended to the Queensland end of NSW.

Yes, yes he does.

buffy said:

>>Victoria’s Premier Daniel Andrews has joined NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian in expressing concerns over a drop in the number of people coming forward for coronavirus testing.

In Victoria, 30,000 fewer people were tested over the past week, compared with the previous week.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-daniel-andrews-testing/12567062

It might be that fewer people have symptoms, if the spread of the virus is slowing. As far as I know, it’s still test if you’ve got symptoms, not just if you’ve got nothing else to do today.

Probagly, but:

moll has said here that both he and his wife have “colds”, but doesn’t seem to be interested in getting tested. Despite getting a few prompts.

Michael V said:

moll has said here that both he and his wife have “colds”, but doesn’t seem to be interested in getting tested. Despite getting a few prompts.

His obsessiveness with mask wearing didn’t seem to pay off for him…

furious said:

Michael V said:

moll has said here that both he and his wife have “colds”, but doesn’t seem to be interested in getting tested. Despite getting a few prompts.

His obsessiveness with mask wearing didn’t seem to pay off for him…

He needs to be more careful with his choice of mask.

More covidiots, this time in WA.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/two-women-charged-after-allegedly-breaching-quarantine/12570356

Michael V said:

“Dr Chant says one of NSW’s cases is a security guard at one of the quarantine hotels

Dr Chant says people who were in close contact with the guard while they were infectious have been contacted and placed in isolation.

Genome sequencing traced the security guard’s infection to a returned overseas traveller who was staying at the Marriott Hotel at Circular Quay earlier this month.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-sydney-covid-19-hotspot/12567062

Assistant Commissioner McCusker said security and police had “strong and robust safety protocols in place” and that they wear appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE).

We also know that they reduce the infection risk, but not to zero, so everyone can just calm down…

Heard on the radio news that Qld will be stocking up on PPE from Australian-made sources.

Divine Angel said:

Heard on the radio news that Qld will be stocking up on PPE from Australian-made sources.

Did those companies donate to the Labor party as well ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/victoria-covid-crisis-traced-back-to-seven-travellers-inquiry/12568408

Dan doesn’t come off well in this.

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/victoria-covid-crisis-traced-back-to-seven-travellers-inquiry/12568408

Dan doesn’t come off well in this.

separately

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But he noted there was “an episode of environmental contamination” in the family of four’s room at Rydges on May 18.

—

that would be the other way it hits up all the staff, along with as known the protective equipment not being 100% protective

doesn’t pay to work in absolutes here

Interesting discussion on Vitamin D, the virus and the latitude effect.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/is-there-a-link-between-vitamin-d-and-coronavirus/12566324

Peak Warming Man said:

Interesting discussion on Vitamin D, the virus and the latitude effect.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/is-there-a-link-between-vitamin-d-and-coronavirus/12566324

So they should get more sun.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Interesting discussion on Vitamin D, the virus and the latitude effect.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/is-there-a-link-between-vitamin-d-and-coronavirus/12566324

So they should get more sun.

Aha, Packed Beaches, Knew Them Worshippers Got It Right

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

I’m interested in my own reaction to this. Happy to be vaccinated, I’m 100% pro-vax, happy for my kid to be vaccinated… don’t like being told I *have * to do it lol.

Let’s send the anti-vaxers to Christmas Island instead of having refugees there.

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

I’m interested in my own reaction to this. Happy to be vaccinated, I’m 100% pro-vax, happy for my kid to be vaccinated… don’t like being told I *have * to do it lol.

Let’s send the anti-vaxers to Christmas Island instead of having refugees there.

No. Let’s form vigilante squads and beat them up, then hold them down and vaccinate them against their will, and then point and laugh at them while they cry.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

I’m interested in my own reaction to this. Happy to be vaccinated, I’m 100% pro-vax, happy for my kid to be vaccinated… don’t like being told I *have * to do it lol.

Let’s send the anti-vaxers to Christmas Island instead of having refugees there.

No. Let’s form vigilante squads and beat them up, then hold them down and vaccinate them against their will, and then point and laugh at them while they cry.

Two words: Dart Gun…

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

I’m interested in my own reaction to this. Happy to be vaccinated, I’m 100% pro-vax, happy for my kid to be vaccinated… don’t like being told I *have * to do it lol.

Let’s send the anti-vaxers to Christmas Island instead of having refugees there.

No. Let’s form vigilante squads and beat them up, then hold them down and vaccinate them against their will, and then point and laugh at them while they cry.

I suppose the worry is vested interests groups in the name of profit will pressure for the vaccine to be fast tracked before its tested properly

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

I’m interested in my own reaction to this. Happy to be vaccinated, I’m 100% pro-vax, happy for my kid to be vaccinated… don’t like being told I *have * to do it lol.

Let’s send the anti-vaxers to Christmas Island instead of having refugees there.

No. Let’s form vigilante squads and beat them up, then hold them down and vaccinate them against their will, and then point and laugh at them while they cry.

you know this government is just using this vaccine of the ‘fake’ virus so Bill Gate cans inject you with 5G tracking and the autisms, so they can manipulate you and keep you uneducated against the fact that the earth is flat.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

I’m interested in my own reaction to this. Happy to be vaccinated, I’m 100% pro-vax, happy for my kid to be vaccinated… don’t like being told I *have * to do it lol.

Let’s send the anti-vaxers to Christmas Island instead of having refugees there.

No. Let’s form vigilante squads and beat them up, then hold them down and vaccinate them against their will, and then point and laugh at them while they cry.

I suppose the worry is vested interests groups in the name of profit will pressure for the vaccine to be fast tracked before its tested properly

Arts said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

I’m interested in my own reaction to this. Happy to be vaccinated, I’m 100% pro-vax, happy for my kid to be vaccinated… don’t like being told I *have * to do it lol.

Let’s send the anti-vaxers to Christmas Island instead of having refugees there.

No. Let’s form vigilante squads and beat them up, then hold them down and vaccinate them against their will, and then point and laugh at them while they cry.

you know this government is just using this vaccine of the ‘fake’ virus so Bill Gate cans inject you with 5G tracking and the autisms, so they can manipulate you and keep you uneducated against the fact that the earth is flat.

I’m kinda fine with that, so long as they build more cycle paths.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

No. Let’s form vigilante squads and beat them up, then hold them down and vaccinate them against their will, and then point and laugh at them while they cry.

I suppose the worry is vested interests groups in the name of profit will pressure for the vaccine to be fast tracked before its tested properly

The anti-vaccers can be the human trials.

I read some facebook comment the other day by someone who said they wouldn’t trust any vaccine that hasn’t gone past two generations of humans.

Not sure they’d thought this through…

Divine Angel said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

I suppose the worry is vested interests groups in the name of profit will pressure for the vaccine to be fast tracked before its tested properly

The anti-vaccers can be the human trials.

I read some facebook comment the other day by someone who said they wouldn’t trust any vaccine that hasn’t gone past two generations of humans.

Not sure they’d thought this through…

I kind of think we might need to make flu vaccination mandatory ahead of this one. Because the hand washing and the social distancing is going to diminish. And the flu vaccine has been trialled and tested and we know it is reasonably efficacious and relatively safe. We know nothing of that about anything that might be in the pipeline for a new bug. Which we apparently also know little about. Except that it’s Quite Infectious.

https://www.sciencealert.com/california-has-just-reported-a-case-of-human-plague

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/coronavirus-queensland-one-new-case-border-bubble-increase/12570010

needs to expand a bit more for PWM yet, I think.

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/california-has-just-reported-a-case-of-human-plague

Yes, plague has never been eradicated.

https://www.cdc.gov/plague/index.html

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/california-has-just-reported-a-case-of-human-plague

Great

buffy said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/california-has-just-reported-a-case-of-human-plague

Yes, plague has never been eradicated.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/california-has-just-reported-a-case-of-human-plague

Yes, plague has never been eradicated.

I thought ou-es-ay had been having a few plague cases for years?

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

Sooty talks a big game. But the Oxford vaccine is only in phase 3 trials. Even if it’s viable there’s a long way to go.

Also..

“Australia lacks the facilities and know-how to make its own pandemic vaccines, a report to government has warned, raising fears we may have to wait years for another country to supply us with a COVID-19 vaccine.

Dr Craig Rayner, the lead author of a report prepared for the Defence Department three years ago, said it should have been a wake-up call for Australia to boost its vaccine and drug development infrastructure before a pandemic broke out.

Dr Rayner’s report, commissioned by the Department of Defence’s Science and Technology agency, analysed Australia’s ability to develop “medical countermeasures” – vaccines and drugs – for threats including pandemics, radiation and chemical and bioweapons.

The report noted Australia had “limited” manufacturing facilities and an insufficient number of experts who could take a drug from discovery through to a finished product, and lacked national, co-ordinated leadership to turn good science into products.”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-lacks-vaccine-making-capacity-defence-report-warns-20200506-p54qdd.html

buffy said:

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/california-has-just-reported-a-case-of-human-plague

Yes, plague has never been eradicated.

It is present in many soils.

Ian said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

Sooty talks a big game. But the Oxford vaccine is only in phase 3 trials. Even if it’s viable there’s a long way to go.

Also..

“Australia lacks the facilities and know-how to make its own pandemic vaccines, a report to government has warned, raising fears we may have to wait years for another country to supply us with a COVID-19 vaccine.

Dr Craig Rayner, the lead author of a report prepared for the Defence Department three years ago, said it should have been a wake-up call for Australia to boost its vaccine and drug development infrastructure before a pandemic broke out.

Dr Rayner’s report, commissioned by the Department of Defence’s Science and Technology agency, analysed Australia’s ability to develop “medical countermeasures” – vaccines and drugs – for threats including pandemics, radiation and chemical and bioweapons.

The report noted Australia had “limited” manufacturing facilities and an insufficient number of experts who could take a drug from discovery through to a finished product, and lacked national, co-ordinated leadership to turn good science into products.”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-lacks-vaccine-making-capacity-defence-report-warns-20200506-p54qdd.html

See whether they make sure it’s safe before making it mandatory, or more likely, whether the politicians took funding from the drug company or bought shares in it, we’ll see.

No corruption in a pandemic, none at all.

Ian said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

Sooty talks a big game. But the Oxford vaccine is only in phase 3 trials. Even if it’s viable there’s a long way to go.

Also..

“Australia lacks the facilities and know-how to make its own pandemic vaccines, a report to government has warned, raising fears we may have to wait years for another country to supply us with a COVID-19 vaccine.

Dr Craig Rayner, the lead author of a report prepared for the Defence Department three years ago, said it should have been a wake-up call for Australia to boost its vaccine and drug development infrastructure before a pandemic broke out.

Dr Rayner’s report, commissioned by the Department of Defence’s Science and Technology agency, analysed Australia’s ability to develop “medical countermeasures” – vaccines and drugs – for threats including pandemics, radiation and chemical and bioweapons.

The report noted Australia had “limited” manufacturing facilities and an insufficient number of experts who could take a drug from discovery through to a finished product, and lacked national, co-ordinated leadership to turn good science into products.”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-lacks-vaccine-making-capacity-defence-report-warns-20200506-p54qdd.html

What about CSL?

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Divine Angel said:

PM says mandatory vaccination.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/morrison-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/12572992

Sooty talks a big game. But the Oxford vaccine is only in phase 3 trials. Even if it’s viable there’s a long way to go.

Also..

“Australia lacks the facilities and know-how to make its own pandemic vaccines, a report to government has warned, raising fears we may have to wait years for another country to supply us with a COVID-19 vaccine.

Dr Craig Rayner, the lead author of a report prepared for the Defence Department three years ago, said it should have been a wake-up call for Australia to boost its vaccine and drug development infrastructure before a pandemic broke out.

Dr Rayner’s report, commissioned by the Department of Defence’s Science and Technology agency, analysed Australia’s ability to develop “medical countermeasures” – vaccines and drugs – for threats including pandemics, radiation and chemical and bioweapons.

The report noted Australia had “limited” manufacturing facilities and an insufficient number of experts who could take a drug from discovery through to a finished product, and lacked national, co-ordinated leadership to turn good science into products.”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-lacks-vaccine-making-capacity-defence-report-warns-20200506-p54qdd.html

What about CSL?

Dunno. I heard something about the government throwing $3 mil at a group at UQ.

Chicken feed

Gladys Trump Invokes Miracles Too

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/nsw-coronavirus-seven-new-cases-authorities-confirm/12572598

I’ve just registered interest in being part of a Covid vaccine run by USC.

Divine Angel said:

I’ve just registered interest in being part of a Covid vaccine run by USC.

We’ll keep an eye on you.
See if you’ve changed man.

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

I’ve just registered interest in being part of a Covid vaccine run by USC.

We’ll keep an eye on you.
See if you’ve changed man.

What out for the autisms.

Scotty from Marketing caught in a lie.

Divine Angel said:

Scotty from Marketing caught in a lie.

No way, never ¡

Did we or anyone else tell you ¿ Safe, children are safe, places that children go to are perfectly safe ¡

Recent observations by researchers in the United States indicated young children can harbour an equivalent viral load to adults. Some even have up to 100 times more genetic material from the coronavirus in their noses compared to samples taken from older children and adults.

Early in the pandemic, there were fewer reported cases of the virus among children, said Dr Taylor Heald-Sargent, a paediatric infectious diseases specialist who co-authored the research. “[Idiots] were hypothesising that children weren’t getting sick because they weren’t able to get infected and they weren’t able to support viral replication,” she said. “And what we were seeing was not true. Our kids that were getting sick, were able to have a lot of virus in their noses.”

14,000 walkers…

they didn’t pay them much I suppose.

SCIENCE said:

Did we or anyone else tell you ¿ Safe, children are safe, places that children go to are perfectly safe ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/jessicas-four-year-old-had-coronavirus-but-no-symptoms/12573002

Recent observations by researchers in the United States indicated young children can harbour an equivalent viral load to adults. Some even have up to 100 times more genetic material from the coronavirus in their noses compared to samples taken from older children and adults.

Early in the pandemic, there were fewer reported cases of the virus among children, said Dr Taylor Heald-Sargent, a paediatric infectious diseases specialist who co-authored the research. “[Idiots] were hypothesising that children weren’t getting sick because they weren’t able to get infected and they weren’t able to support viral replication,” she said. “And what we were seeing was not true. Our kids that were getting sick, were able to have a lot of virus in their noses.”

Remember, a lot of infection symptoms are immune system doing damage… so if the children aren’t getting as symptomatic as adults, maybe their immune systems aren’t damaging the viral economy / productivity as much and the virus is even more able to grow.

sarahs mum said:

14,000 walkers…

they didn’t pay them much I suppose.

a cent or two per catalogue I think, they bundle different ones to earn more

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/pm-walks-back-mandatory-coronavirus-vaccination-comments/12575600

That was a quick walk around…

Still watching that deaths graph in Sweden.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

buffy said:

Still watching that deaths graph in Sweden.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Yes the lack of correlation with the cases trace shouldn’t concern anyone at all¡

The deaths stats for Australia have been updated today. Still only go to end May though.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3303.0.55.004

From reading that, I think the COVID19 deaths are included in the total deaths but not in any of the other categories.

Looks like heart and vascular deaths are sitting below the five year average.

Respiratory deaths (not including COVID19) are a little up.

Flu deaths look like they were a bit up in April, but dropped below the five year average when people started washing their hands.

Cancer, diabetes and dementia deaths are sitting on the high side.

This is a very interesting set of information.

And you thought the rest of the world had a monopoly on hubris…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-19/wuhan-pool-party-shows-a-city-in-full-swing-after-coronavirus/12573980

Increase in stillbirths in UK, calls to Red Nose spike during COVID. Probably an increase in stillbirths here, won’t know until stats are released next year. Midwives blame decreased face-to-face care; “You can’t take blood pressure over the phone”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/concerns-about-stillbirth-spike-during-coronavirus-red-nose/12569098

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/swedens-herd-immunity-strategy-for-coronavirus-covid-19/12570918

Youth detention worker tests positive in Brisbane

A woman working in the Brisbane youth detention centre in Wacol, in the city’s west, has tested positive to COVID-19.

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And with the woman late yesterday (now in Japan), makes 2 new in-community cases. Damn.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/live-blog-coronavirus-australia-brisbane-contact-tracing/12575756

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/swedens-herd-immunity-strategy-for-coronavirus-covid-19/12570918

“Sweden’s death rate is among the worst in the world, although it remains lower than some European countries which had imposed much harsher measures, including Italy, Britain and Spain.”

Sweden is going to lap those countries in a couple of weeks. It will probably not catch Belgium or Peru, though, so that’s something.

dv said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/swedens-herd-immunity-strategy-for-coronavirus-covid-19/12570918

“Sweden’s death rate is among the worst in the world, although it remains lower than some European countries which had imposed much harsher measures, including Italy, Britain and Spain.”

Sweden is going to lap those countries in a couple of weeks. It will probably not catch Belgium or Peru, though, so that’s something.

I don’t understand you. Sweden’s deaths have very much levelled out. They don’t seem to be beginning any second wave at the moment.

so, it seems, have West Taiwan’s

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/swedens-herd-immunity-strategy-for-coronavirus-covid-19/12570918

“Sweden’s death rate is among the worst in the world, although it remains lower than some European countries which had imposed much harsher measures, including Italy, Britain and Spain.”

Sweden is going to lap those countries in a couple of weeks. It will probably not catch Belgium or Peru, though, so that’s something.

I don’t understand you. Sweden’s deaths have very much levelled out. They don’t seem to be beginning any second wave at the moment.

That’s right but they are still chalking up 200 deaths a months. It adds up, for a small country.

Michael V said:

Youth detention worker tests positive in Brisbane

A woman working in the Brisbane youth detention centre in Wacol, in the city’s west, has tested positive to COVID-19.

………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
And with the woman late yesterday (now in Japan), makes 2 new in-community cases. Damn.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/live-blog-coronavirus-australia-brisbane-contact-tracing/12575756

That woman in Japan probably caught it at airports on her way there, airports and cruise ships.
Three hundred and twenty acre properties in the middle of the boonies not so much.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

“Sweden’s death rate is among the worst in the world, although it remains lower than some European countries which had imposed much harsher measures, including Italy, Britain and Spain.”

Sweden is going to lap those countries in a couple of weeks. It will probably not catch Belgium or Peru, though, so that’s something.

I don’t understand you. Sweden’s deaths have very much levelled out. They don’t seem to be beginning any second wave at the moment.

That’s right but they are still chalking up 200 deaths a months. It adds up, for a small country.

Where is that figure from? On the worldometers graph you can get total cumulative deaths per date.

By mousing over the graph:

August 17: 5796
(102)
July 17: 5694
(482)
June 17: 5212
(1217)
May 17: 3995

Impressive drop rate there. It will be interesting to see if they actually have a second wave or not.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

I don’t understand you. Sweden’s deaths have very much levelled out. They don’t seem to be beginning any second wave at the moment.

That’s right but they are still chalking up 200 deaths a months. It adds up, for a small country.

Where is that figure from? On the worldometers graph you can get total cumulative deaths per date.

By mousing over the graph:

August 17: 5796
(102)
July 17: 5694
(482)
June 17: 5212
(1217)
May 17: 3995

Impressive drop rate there. It will be interesting to see if they actually have a second wave or not.

Herd immunity works that way I suppose if you just accept a certain numbers of deaths, possibly higher than if you isolated everyone but without those consequences and resulting civil disobedience

“A woman working in the Brisbane Youth Detention Centre in Wacol, in the city’s west, has tested positive to coronavirus, forcing hundreds of staff and children to be tested.

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said the woman, who is in her 70s and lives in the Ipswich region, worked five shifts while infectious.

“What you’re going to hear today is the story of a woman who was sick, and still went to work,” Ms Palaszczuk said.

“It is really really important that if you are sick, you must stay home, as now a whole lot of contact tracing has to happen.”

Ms Palaszczuk said there had not been visitors at the centre due to a recent unconnected scare in Logan, so contact tracing was not as complicated as it could have been.

The facility is now in lockdown, as 127 youths and about 500 staff are tested.

The woman’s close contacts are also being tested, and Ms Palaszczuk said authorities were trying to determine how the woman contracted the virus.

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said the woman first developed symptoms about August 10.

“We only got the result for her late last night,” she said.”

…………………………………………………………………………………………………
Sick and went to work for five shifts. Grrrrr.
…………………………………………………………………………………………………
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/coronavirus-case-queensland-detention-centre-brisbane-wacol/12570012

I like Joe Scott’s youtube channel – he seems to present well researched and well balanced videos on subjects, and his latest Coronavirus video is quite interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmjsLyTW5EY

One of my conspiracy theory nutjob relatives has posted this (on video) to Facebook. From yesterday’s media briefing, Prof Brett Sutton saying:

“Anyone who is a confirmed case who dies is classified among Coronavirus deaths. So it doesn’t have to be definitively from Coronovirus, and in some instances in aged care, there would have been some residents who already were receiving palliative care, who became infected with Coronavirus, so it’s not definitive about whether they’ve died with or from Coronavirus.”

Wait, what?

Rule 303 said:

One of my conspiracy theory nutjob relatives has posted this (on video) to Facebook. From yesterday’s media briefing, Prof Brett Sutton saying:

“Anyone who is a confirmed case who dies is classified among Coronavirus deaths. So it doesn’t have to be definitively from Coronovirus, and in some instances in aged care, there would have been some residents who already were receiving palliative care, who became infected with Coronavirus, so it’s not definitive about whether they’ve died with or from Coronavirus.”

Wait, what?

I noticed a mention recently that some of the deaths were people in palliative care.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says the number of positive COVID-19 cases in the state is starting to stabilise but has warned people against thinking they can rest easy.

Remember when less than 10 cases was stable, and over 100 was WTF ¿ And now 240 cases a day is stable and likely to make people complacent ¡

SCIENCE said:

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says the number of positive COVID-19 cases in the state is starting to stabilise but has warned people against thinking they can rest easy.

Remember when less than 10 cases was stable, and over 100 was WTF ¿ And now 240 cases a day is stable and likely to make people complacent ¡

Stability isn’t about the level. It’s about the trend

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says the number of positive COVID-19 cases in the state is starting to stabilise but has warned people against thinking they can rest easy.

Remember when less than 10 cases was stable, and over 100 was WTF ¿ And now 240 cases a day is stable and likely to make people complacent ¡

Stability isn’t about the level. It’s about the trend

Remember When There Are More Than One Ways To Understand Things And Meanings

Rule was commenting on what definition is used for a COVID19 death. It’s not easy to find. Here is England.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-data-revised/

And instructions to our doctors for writing up death certificates.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/1205.0.55.001

And some people have started fiddling with the statistical methods too. This is on medRxiv, which is not peer reviewed.

Beyond Deaths per Capita:Comparative CoViD-19 Mortality Indicators

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.20085506v9.full.pdf+html

Too hard for me, that one.

There was something on the news today about this.

Peak Warming Man said:

There was something on the news today about this.

Do you recall where?

buffy said:

By mousing over the graph:

August 17: 5796
(102)
July 17: 5694
(482)
June 17: 5212
(1217)
May 17: 3995

Impressive drop rate there. It will be interesting to see if they actually have a second wave or not.

That’s kind of the point. On a per cap basis, Sweden added 11 cases per million in the interval. The UK only added 5 cases per million in the same interval: Italy, only 3 cases per million. Sweden is going to pass them.
Spain, I guess maybe not.

dv said:

buffy said:

By mousing over the graph:

August 17: 5796
(102)
July 17: 5694
(482)
June 17: 5212
(1217)
May 17: 3995

Impressive drop rate there. It will be interesting to see if they actually have a second wave or not.

That’s kind of the point. On a per cap basis, Sweden added 11 cases per million in the interval. The UK only added 5 cases per million in the same interval: Italy, only 3 cases per million. Sweden is going to pass them.
Spain, I guess maybe not.

Those figures are cumulative deaths, not cases.

dead cases

Scientists discover many people unexposed to coronavirus have immune cells for COVID-19

Liam Mannix
By Liam Mannix
August 20, 2020 — 6.02pm

Evidence is emerging worldwide showing between 20 and 50 per cent of people who have never been exposed to COVID-19 have immune cells that can recognise and react to the virus.

The discovery of T cell cross-reactivity has excited immunologists, who hope it could explain some of the mysteries that surround the virus, such as why some people get so much sicker than others.

But scientists caution that it is not yet clear what the discovery means for human health.

Australian National University’s head of immunology and infectious diseases, Professor David Tscharke, said: “It’s the good, the bad and the ugly – it could help, it could do nothing, or it could make COVID-19 worse.”

Professor Tscharke said the cross-reactive T cells might help to fight off the virus, or they might get in the way of the immune system, making the disease worse, a phenomenon known as “original antigenic sin”.

Typically, the human adaptive immune system relies on precision. Antibodies, for example, have to be exactly the right shape to stick to a particular virus and kill it.

T cells hunt for tiny fragments of virus protein – as small as eight amino acids long, in a virus that could have thousands of them – that identify a virus has infected a cell.

If two viruses share protein fragments, T cells will attack both.

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, shares much of its genetic code, including many of its proteins, with four coronaviruses in frequent circulation among humans.

Dr Corey Smith, head of the translational and human immunology laboratory at the QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute, said some sections of the genetic codes were virtually identical.

They cause the common cold and are extremely common – more than 90 per cent of people have been exposed to them.

Scientists suspect some people who have been exposed to these viruses develop T cells that can also target SARS-CoV-2.

Monash University’s head of microbiology, Professor Stephen Turner, said that in the best-case scenario, cross-reactive T cells do offer some protection.

“That’s why we might be seeing so much asymptomatic infection. If there is a level of protection, due to previous exposure, you have less symptoms – because you’re limiting the amount of virus that can grow,” he said.

During the 2009 influenza pandemic, scientists found people who had cross-reactive T cells to that virus were less likely to suffer severe symptoms.

Professor Turner said T cells needed the right signals to be activated. It was possible SARS-CoV-2 did not trigger them, or they were in the wrong place to fight the infection.

Professor Tscharke said the immune system was naturally tuned to use old cross-reactive T cells, but if they were not perfectly designed to kill the new virus, that could leave people vulnerable.

This is what scientists call “original antigenic sin”, and the worst example is Dengue fever, a virus that comes in four types. If a person with T cells to one type gets infected with another, antigenic sin limits their ability to fight the new virus.

“The second infection is far worse than if you’ve never been infected before,” Professor Tscharke said.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/scientists-discover-many-people-unexposed-to-coronavirus-have-immune-cells-for-covid-19-20200818-p55mw2.html

Regional Victoria Is Excemptional, Just Like Everyone Else — How¿ Because They’re Not Everyone Else¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-21/should-restrictions-be-eased-for-coronavirus-free-regions/12573560

Local federal Nationals MP Anne Webster said the stage 3 restrictions were crippling regional businesses and she has called for exemptions for towns with zero cases. “I believe that the current blanket approach with stage 3 restrictions across regional Victoria is unwarranted and needs to be looked at again,” she told 7.30. “We need a targeted approach. “The evidence of low numbers is clear and it needs to be taken into consideration. “Regional Victoria is not Melbourne.”

But general practitioner Megan Belot from the Rural Doctors Association of Victoria said consistent restrictions were needed to limit the spread of the virus.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Professor Turner said T cells needed the right signals to be activated. It was possible SARS-CoV-2 did not trigger them, or they were in the wrong place to fight the infection.

Professor Tscharke said the immune system was naturally tuned to use old cross-reactive T cells, but if they were not perfectly designed to kill the new virus, that could leave people vulnerable.

This is what scientists call “original antigenic sin”, and the worst example is Dengue fever, a virus that comes in four types. If a person with T cells to one type gets infected with another, antigenic sin limits their ability to fight the new virus.

“The second infection is far worse than if you’ve never been infected before,” Professor Tscharke said.

so good news right, all those geniuses reassuring us that antibodies disappearing means nothing, Cell-Mediated Immunity Will Save Us All, we already have a flockload of immunity, it’s a good thing, immune system do good, immune system fight strong, immune system wreck everything, no problem

The Queensland Gov. have said they will not open the border until Vic and NSW have had zero community transmission for a month.
That could take years not months or it may never happen.
We’ve had a vaccine for the flu for decades and there is still plenty of community transmissions.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if China’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

What?

The news isn’t “Sweden’s has a higher death tally than 150 years ago”. It’s “Sweden records its highest death tally in 150 years”.

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if New Zealand’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

You’re comparing apples with lilly pilly fruit.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

You’re comparing apples with lilly pilly fruit.

This is the highest number of deaths in Sweden during the first half of the year since 1869, when the country was struck by famine and 55,431 people died.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

You’re comparing apples with lilly pilly fruit.

Strange to think of Sweden being struck by ruinous famine as late as 1869.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020

I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

What?

The news isn’t “Sweden’s has a higher death tally than 150 years ago”. It’s “Sweden records its highest death tally in 150 years”.

OK I’ll change that to tally.
I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death tally for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

Bubblecar said:

Strange to think of Sweden being struck by ruinous famine as late as 1869.

modernity is a thin veneer.

Deaths in Australia stuff:

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/summary

The page says it was updated on 7 Aug, but the details are only to 2018. I haven’t found anything more recent. Except this, which isn’t really the same thing.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death toll for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

What?

The news isn’t “Sweden’s has a higher death tally than 150 years ago”. It’s “Sweden records its highest death tally in 150 years”.

OK I’ll change that to tally.
I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death tally for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

Nup, you’re still not getting it but hey, we tried.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

What?

The news isn’t “Sweden’s has a higher death tally than 150 years ago”. It’s “Sweden records its highest death tally in 150 years”.

OK I’ll change that to tally.
I’d be very surprised if Australia’s death tally for the first half of 2020 is not higher than it was 150 years ago.
Very surprised.

Nup, you’re still not getting it but hey, we tried.

No worries.

This is a snapshot of the daily deaths per million capita based on worldometer’s data for 20/8.

All … ALL … of the top ten are in the Americas.

16 of the top 20 are in the Americas. Shit eh.

In Africa, South Africa, Cabo Verde, Eswatini, Gambia are doing pretty badly.

In the Middle East sensu lato, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Oman.

Eastern Europe appears to be the locus of a new surge: Romania, Bosnia&Herz, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Albania, Armenia, Ukraine.

In Western Europe, there are now no countries doing worse than 1 per million cap per day, and few higher than 0.5: just Belgium, Netherlands, and Sweden.

Australia is also pegging around 0.5.

dv said:

This is a snapshot of the daily deaths per million capita based on worldometer’s data for 20/8.

All … ALL … of the top ten are in the Americas.

16 of the top 20 are in the Americas. Shit eh.

In Africa, South Africa, Cabo Verde, Eswatini, Gambia are doing pretty badly.

In the Middle East sensu lato, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Oman.

Eastern Europe appears to be the locus of a new surge: Romania, Bosnia&Herz, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Albania, Armenia, Ukraine.

In Western Europe, there are now no countries doing worse than 1 per million cap per day, and few higher than 0.5: just Belgium, Netherlands, and Sweden.

Australia is also pegging around 0.5.

Aruba	9.36
Peru	6.05
Brazil	5.80
Mexico	5.48
Bolivia	5.22
Chile	4.86
Argentina	4.13
Colombia	4.00
Panama	3.93
USA	3.29
South Africa	3.28
Ecuador	3.05
Guyana	2.54
Bahamas	2.54
Belize	2.51
Romania	2.50
Bosnia and Herzegov	2.44
Costa Rica	2.35
Guatemala	2.17
Iraq	2.16
Cabo Verde	1.80
Moldova	1.74
Eswatini	1.72
Suriname	1.70
Iran	1.65
Gambia	1.65
Montenegro	1.59
Israel	1.52
Honduras	1.51
North Macedonia	1.44
Albania	1.39
Saudi Arabia	1.20
Oman	1.17
El Salvador	1.08
Armenia	1.01
Ukraine	0.92
Morocco	0.87
Belgium	0.86
Philippines	0.80
Namibia	0.79
Russia	0.75
Bulgaria	0.72
India	0.71
Lebanon	0.59
Bahrain	0.59
Netherlands	0.58
Libya	0.58
Serbia	0.57
Belarus	0.53
Australia	0.51
Sweden	0.50
Kuwait	0.47
Norway	0.37
Dominican Republic	0.37
Lithuania	0.37
Spain	0.34
Poland	0.32
Uruguay	0.29
Venezuela	0.28
Zambia	0.27
Indonesia	0.26
Afghanistan	0.26
Tunisia	0.25
Bangladesh	0.25
Switzerland	0.23
Syria	0.23
Turkey	0.23
Nepal	0.21
Algeria	0.21
Ireland	0.20
UAE	0.20
Portugal	0.20
Palestine	0.20
Czechia	0.19
Kenya	0.19
France	0.18
Senegal	0.18
Ethiopia	0.17
Ghana	0.16
Egypt	0.15
Madagascar	0.14
Hong Kong	0.13
Canada	0.13
Japan	0.13
Germany	0.12
Uzbekistan	0.12
Papua New Guinea	0.11
Tajikistan	0.11
Italy	0.10
Sudan	0.09
UK	0.09
Rwanda	0.08
Cameroon	0.08
Zimbabwe	0.07
Yemen	0.07
Uganda	0.07
Malawi	0.05
Ivory Coast	0.04
Pakistan	0.04
Nigeria	0.03
Mozambique	0.03
Angola	0.03
S. Korea	0.02
DRC	0.01

PNG is doing remarkably well.

dv said:

This is a snapshot of the daily deaths per million capita based on worldometer’s data for 20/8.

All … ALL … of the top ten are in the Americas.

16 of the top 20 are in the Americas. Shit eh.

In Africa, South Africa, Cabo Verde, Eswatini, Gambia are doing pretty badly.

In the Middle East sensu lato, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Oman.

Eastern Europe appears to be the locus of a new surge: Romania, Bosnia&Herz, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Albania, Armenia, Ukraine.

In Western Europe, there are now no countries doing worse than 1 per million cap per day, and few higher than 0.5: just Belgium, Netherlands, and Sweden.

Australia is also pegging around 0.5.

Aruba	9.36
Peru	6.05
Brazil	5.80
Mexico	5.48
Bolivia	5.22
Chile	4.86
Argentina	4.13
Colombia	4.00
Panama	3.93
USA	3.29
South Africa	3.28
Ecuador	3.05
Guyana	2.54
Bahamas	2.54
Belize	2.51
Romania	2.50
Bosnia and Herzegov	2.44
Costa Rica	2.35
Guatemala	2.17
Iraq	2.16
Cabo Verde	1.80
Moldova	1.74
Eswatini	1.72
Suriname	1.70
Iran	1.65
Gambia	1.65
Montenegro	1.59
Israel	1.52
Honduras	1.51
North Macedonia	1.44
Albania	1.39
Saudi Arabia	1.20
Oman	1.17
El Salvador	1.08
Armenia	1.01
Ukraine	0.92
Morocco	0.87
Belgium	0.86
Philippines	0.80
Namibia	0.79
Russia	0.75
Bulgaria	0.72
India	0.71
Lebanon	0.59
Bahrain	0.59
Netherlands	0.58
Libya	0.58
Serbia	0.57
Belarus	0.53
Australia	0.51
Sweden	0.50
Kuwait	0.47
Norway	0.37
Dominican Republic	0.37
Lithuania	0.37
Spain	0.34
Poland	0.32
Uruguay	0.29
Venezuela	0.28
Zambia	0.27
Indonesia	0.26
Afghanistan	0.26
Tunisia	0.25
Bangladesh	0.25
Switzerland	0.23
Syria	0.23
Turkey	0.23
Nepal	0.21
Algeria	0.21
Ireland	0.20
UAE	0.20
Portugal	0.20
Palestine	0.20
Czechia	0.19
Kenya	0.19
France	0.18
Senegal	0.18
Ethiopia	0.17
Ghana	0.16
Egypt	0.15
Madagascar	0.14
Hong Kong	0.13
Canada	0.13
Japan	0.13
Germany	0.12
Uzbekistan	0.12
Papua New Guinea	0.11
Tajikistan	0.11
Italy	0.10
Sudan	0.09
UK	0.09
Rwanda	0.08
Cameroon	0.08
Zimbabwe	0.07
Yemen	0.07
Uganda	0.07
Malawi	0.05
Ivory Coast	0.04
Pakistan	0.04
Nigeria	0.03
Mozambique	0.03
Angola	0.03
S. Korea	0.02
DRC	0.01

That list has got Sweden at 0.5 and Australia at 0.51.

buffy said:

dv said:

This is a snapshot of the daily deaths per million capita based on worldometer’s data for 20/8.

All … ALL … of the top ten are in the Americas.

16 of the top 20 are in the Americas. Shit eh.

In Africa, South Africa, Cabo Verde, Eswatini, Gambia are doing pretty badly.

In the Middle East sensu lato, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Oman.

Eastern Europe appears to be the locus of a new surge: Romania, Bosnia&Herz, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Albania, Armenia, Ukraine.

In Western Europe, there are now no countries doing worse than 1 per million cap per day, and few higher than 0.5: just Belgium, Netherlands, and Sweden.

Australia is also pegging around 0.5.

Aruba	9.36
Peru	6.05
Brazil	5.80
Mexico	5.48
Bolivia	5.22
Chile	4.86
Argentina	4.13
Colombia	4.00
Panama	3.93
USA	3.29
South Africa	3.28
Ecuador	3.05
Guyana	2.54
Bahamas	2.54
Belize	2.51
Romania	2.50
Bosnia and Herzegov	2.44
Costa Rica	2.35
Guatemala	2.17
Iraq	2.16
Cabo Verde	1.80
Moldova	1.74
Eswatini	1.72
Suriname	1.70
Iran	1.65
Gambia	1.65
Montenegro	1.59
Israel	1.52
Honduras	1.51
North Macedonia	1.44
Albania	1.39
Saudi Arabia	1.20
Oman	1.17
El Salvador	1.08
Armenia	1.01
Ukraine	0.92
Morocco	0.87
Belgium	0.86
Philippines	0.80
Namibia	0.79
Russia	0.75
Bulgaria	0.72
India	0.71
Lebanon	0.59
Bahrain	0.59
Netherlands	0.58
Libya	0.58
Serbia	0.57
Belarus	0.53
Australia	0.51
Sweden	0.50
Kuwait	0.47
Norway	0.37
Dominican Republic	0.37
Lithuania	0.37
Spain	0.34
Poland	0.32
Uruguay	0.29
Venezuela	0.28
Zambia	0.27
Indonesia	0.26
Afghanistan	0.26
Tunisia	0.25
Bangladesh	0.25
Switzerland	0.23
Syria	0.23
Turkey	0.23
Nepal	0.21
Algeria	0.21
Ireland	0.20
UAE	0.20
Portugal	0.20
Palestine	0.20
Czechia	0.19
Kenya	0.19
France	0.18
Senegal	0.18
Ethiopia	0.17
Ghana	0.16
Egypt	0.15
Madagascar	0.14
Hong Kong	0.13
Canada	0.13
Japan	0.13
Germany	0.12
Uzbekistan	0.12
Papua New Guinea	0.11
Tajikistan	0.11
Italy	0.10
Sudan	0.09
UK	0.09
Rwanda	0.08
Cameroon	0.08
Zimbabwe	0.07
Yemen	0.07
Uganda	0.07
Malawi	0.05
Ivory Coast	0.04
Pakistan	0.04
Nigeria	0.03
Mozambique	0.03
Angola	0.03
S. Korea	0.02
DRC	0.01

That list has got Sweden at 0.5 and Australia at 0.51.

So you agree with me.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

This is a snapshot of the daily deaths per million capita based on worldometer’s data for 20/8.

All … ALL … of the top ten are in the Americas.

16 of the top 20 are in the Americas. Shit eh.

In Africa, South Africa, Cabo Verde, Eswatini, Gambia are doing pretty badly.

In the Middle East sensu lato, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Oman.

Eastern Europe appears to be the locus of a new surge: Romania, Bosnia&Herz, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Albania, Armenia, Ukraine.

In Western Europe, there are now no countries doing worse than 1 per million cap per day, and few higher than 0.5: just Belgium, Netherlands, and Sweden.

Australia is also pegging around 0.5.

Aruba	9.36
Peru	6.05
Brazil	5.80
Mexico	5.48
Bolivia	5.22
Chile	4.86
Argentina	4.13
Colombia	4.00
Panama	3.93
USA	3.29
South Africa	3.28
Ecuador	3.05
Guyana	2.54
Bahamas	2.54
Belize	2.51
Romania	2.50
Bosnia and Herzegov	2.44
Costa Rica	2.35
Guatemala	2.17
Iraq	2.16
Cabo Verde	1.80
Moldova	1.74
Eswatini	1.72
Suriname	1.70
Iran	1.65
Gambia	1.65
Montenegro	1.59
Israel	1.52
Honduras	1.51
North Macedonia	1.44
Albania	1.39
Saudi Arabia	1.20
Oman	1.17
El Salvador	1.08
Armenia	1.01
Ukraine	0.92
Morocco	0.87
Belgium	0.86
Philippines	0.80
Namibia	0.79
Russia	0.75
Bulgaria	0.72
India	0.71
Lebanon	0.59
Bahrain	0.59
Netherlands	0.58
Libya	0.58
Serbia	0.57
Belarus	0.53
Australia	0.51
Sweden	0.50
Kuwait	0.47
Norway	0.37
Dominican Republic	0.37
Lithuania	0.37
Spain	0.34
Poland	0.32
Uruguay	0.29
Venezuela	0.28
Zambia	0.27
Indonesia	0.26
Afghanistan	0.26
Tunisia	0.25
Bangladesh	0.25
Switzerland	0.23
Syria	0.23
Turkey	0.23
Nepal	0.21
Algeria	0.21
Ireland	0.20
UAE	0.20
Portugal	0.20
Palestine	0.20
Czechia	0.19
Kenya	0.19
France	0.18
Senegal	0.18
Ethiopia	0.17
Ghana	0.16
Egypt	0.15
Madagascar	0.14
Hong Kong	0.13
Canada	0.13
Japan	0.13
Germany	0.12
Uzbekistan	0.12
Papua New Guinea	0.11
Tajikistan	0.11
Italy	0.10
Sudan	0.09
UK	0.09
Rwanda	0.08
Cameroon	0.08
Zimbabwe	0.07
Yemen	0.07
Uganda	0.07
Malawi	0.05
Ivory Coast	0.04
Pakistan	0.04
Nigeria	0.03
Mozambique	0.03
Angola	0.03
S. Korea	0.02
DRC	0.01

That list has got Sweden at 0.5 and Australia at 0.51.

So you agree with me.

How is this table related to COVID19?

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

buffy said:

That list has got Sweden at 0.5 and Australia at 0.51.

So you agree with me.

How is this table related to COVID19?

This is the current covid-19 daily deaths per capita based on the most recent worldometers report: a snapshot, if you will, of the Covid-19 death rate right now.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

So you agree with me.

How is this table related to COVID19?

This is the current covid-19 daily deaths per capita based on the most recent worldometers report: a snapshot, if you will, of the Covid-19 death rate right now.

I’m confused then. Canada with a 40% greater population has recorded 20 times more deaths yet is below Australia on that list. Sweden with less than half our population has had 10 times our deaths yet we’re level pegging.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How is this table related to COVID19?

This is the current covid-19 daily deaths per capita based on the most recent worldometers report: a snapshot, if you will, of the Covid-19 death rate right now.

I’m confused then. Canada with a 40% greater population has recorded 20 times more deaths yet is below Australia on that list. Sweden with less than half our population has had 10 times our deaths yet we’re level pegging.

All I can do is repeat, with emphasis: this is the CURRENT Covid-19 DAILY deaths per capita. A SNAPSHOT, if you will, of the Covid-19 death rate RIGHT NOW.

Canada lost 5 people: Australia lost 13.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

This is the current covid-19 daily deaths per capita based on the most recent worldometers report: a snapshot, if you will, of the Covid-19 death rate right now.

I’m confused then. Canada with a 40% greater population has recorded 20 times more deaths yet is below Australia on that list. Sweden with less than half our population has had 10 times our deaths yet we’re level pegging.

All I can do is repeat, with emphasis: this is the CURRENT Covid-19 DAILY deaths per capita. A SNAPSHOT, if you will, of the Covid-19 death rate RIGHT NOW.

Canada lost 5 people: Australia lost 13.

Sorry. Now i get you.

Something strange going on in Spain though.

Significant 2nd wave in cases, starting about a month ago, but still very low deaths.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Something strange going on in Spain though.

Significant 2nd wave in cases, starting about a month ago, but still very low deaths.

Same in France.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Something strange going on in Spain though.

Significant 2nd wave in cases, starting about a month ago, but still very low deaths.

Nah, it’s a pretty odd thing to do, those figures. Pick a day. Any day. And then rank the countries on that day’s deaths only. I can see ways of mucking about with that list. Which day would you like to pick?

I didn’t recognize that it was talking about a single day when I read dv’s first post.

I rate that list as Not Useful.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Something strange going on in Spain though.

Significant 2nd wave in cases, starting about a month ago, but still very low deaths.

Nah, it’s a pretty odd thing to do, those figures. Pick a day. Any day. And then rank the countries on that day’s deaths only. I can see ways of mucking about with that list. Which day would you like to pick?

I didn’t recognize that it was talking about a single day when I read dv’s first post.

I rate that list as Not Useful.

+1

Speedy said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Something strange going on in Spain though.

Significant 2nd wave in cases, starting about a month ago, but still very low deaths.

Nah, it’s a pretty odd thing to do, those figures. Pick a day. Any day. And then rank the countries on that day’s deaths only. I can see ways of mucking about with that list. Which day would you like to pick?

I didn’t recognize that it was talking about a single day when I read dv’s first post.

I rate that list as Not Useful.

+1

I was very explicit in my first post (shrug). I even gave the specific date (ie yesterday).

dv said:

Speedy said:

buffy said:

Nah, it’s a pretty odd thing to do, those figures. Pick a day. Any day. And then rank the countries on that day’s deaths only. I can see ways of mucking about with that list. Which day would you like to pick?

I didn’t recognize that it was talking about a single day when I read dv’s first post.

I rate that list as Not Useful.

+1

I was very explicit in my first post (shrug). I even gave the specific date (ie yesterday).

Yes, reading back, you did. But as it’s a very odd thing to do, I, at least, read it to be some sort of cumulative thing to the 17th. Why on earth would you do a single day deaths comparison in a pandemic that has been on the go for 9 months or so. It has no use whatsoever.

I mean I take the point about variability. I’ve made a note of the current figures and we’ll average over a few days.

Heard on the wireless this morning that Victoria is resuming their trials on hydroxychloroquine for it’s health workers.

dv said:

I mean I take the point about variability. I’ve made a note of the current figures and we’ll average over a few days.

I don’t see any point in single day stuff.

Peak Warming Man said:

Heard on the wireless this morning that Victoria is resuming their trials on hydroxychloroquine for it’s health workers.

Doctors and nurses to trial hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19 at Melbourne hospital
Healthcare workers at St Vincent’s Hospital Melbourne will be taking part in a clinical trial to investigate whether controversial drug hydroxychloroquine can protect doctors and nurses while they treat COVID-19 positive patients.
The trial – nicknamed “COVID SHIELD” – will involve half of the participant group being given hydroxychloroquine tablets, while the other half will receive placebo tablets over the course of four months.

buffy said:

dv said:

I mean I take the point about variability. I’ve made a note of the current figures and we’ll average over a few days.

I don’t see any point in single day stuff.

So you agree with me that it is better to average over a few days.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

I mean I take the point about variability. I’ve made a note of the current figures and we’ll average over a few days.

I don’t see any point in single day stuff.

So you agree with me that it is better to average over a few days.

There is months worth to use.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Heard on the wireless this morning that Victoria is resuming their trials on hydroxychloroquine for it’s health workers.

Doctors and nurses to trial hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19 at Melbourne hospital
Healthcare workers at St Vincent’s Hospital Melbourne will be taking part in a clinical trial to investigate whether controversial drug hydroxychloroquine can protect doctors and nurses while they treat COVID-19 positive patients.
The trial – nicknamed “COVID SHIELD” – will involve half of the participant group being given hydroxychloroquine tablets, while the other half will receive placebo tablets over the course of four months.

Need to watch for retinopathy. Usually people on Plaquenil have to have quite regular retina checks.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

I don’t see any point in single day stuff.

So you agree with me that it is better to average over a few days.

There is months worth to use.

Yeah nah I think you’re not getting it. We’re making an assessment of the intensity of the problem right now, not historically.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Something strange going on in Spain though.

Significant 2nd wave in cases, starting about a month ago, but still very low deaths.

Nah, it’s a pretty odd thing to do, those figures. Pick a day. Any day. And then rank the countries on that day’s deaths only. I can see ways of mucking about with that list. Which day would you like to pick?

I didn’t recognize that it was talking about a single day when I read dv’s first post.

I rate that list as Not Useful.

Wasn’t talking about dv’s list.

Spain has had a continuing low death rate in spite of greatly increased cases for more than a month.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

So you agree with me that it is better to average over a few days.

There is months worth to use.

Yeah nah I think you’re not getting it. We’re making an assessment of the intensity of the problem right now, not historically.

You need the “excess deaths” graphs for that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Something strange going on in Spain though.

Significant 2nd wave in cases, starting about a month ago, but still very low deaths.

Nah, it’s a pretty odd thing to do, those figures. Pick a day. Any day. And then rank the countries on that day’s deaths only. I can see ways of mucking about with that list. Which day would you like to pick?

I didn’t recognize that it was talking about a single day when I read dv’s first post.

I rate that list as Not Useful.

Wasn’t talking about dv’s list.

Spain has had a continuing low death rate in spite of greatly increased cases for more than a month.

The general mail is that the average age of those being infected in Spain and Portugal is low, now.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

There is months worth to use.

Yeah nah I think you’re not getting it. We’re making an assessment of the intensity of the problem right now, not historically.

You need the “excess deaths” graphs for that.

That’s useful information. This table is also useful information, showing the current hotspots: where are people dying now in greatest numbers.

Is Australia doing any plasma with antibodies treatments?

is this the fella who wanted to keep everyone out of Australia and in detention

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-21/coronavirus-queensland-health-minister-peter-dutton-border-youth/12578866

The problem with his argument is that, through the Aged Care Royal Commission, it has become evident that several of the issues the sector has encountered had, in fact, been anticipated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-21/aged-care-minister-grilled-over-sector-failings-in-coronavirus/12581910

What problem, nobody could have predicted The Pandemic, nobody could have predicted The Effect Of Each Response To The Pandemic,

“ Victoria’s Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.”

😂 , must’ve gone to trump university.

poikilotherm said:

“ Victoria’s Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.”

😂 , must’ve gone to trump university.

Or idiots.

Probably idiots.

poikilotherm said:

“ Victoria’s Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.”

😂 , must’ve gone to trump university.

Ah…hindsight. It’s a wonderful thing.

:)

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

“ Victoria’s Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.”

😂 , must’ve gone to trump university.

Ah…hindsight. It’s a wonderful thing.

:)

Well, some other states managed to not be so moronic with public health.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

“ Victoria’s Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.”

😂 , must’ve gone to trump university.

Ah…hindsight. It’s a wonderful thing.

:)

Well, some other states managed to not be so moronic with public health.

I’m not sure when this happened. Back at the beginning there was next to zero knowledge about incubation periods, infectivity periods etc. It might have been reasonable at that stage to think asymptomatic was unlikely to be infective. Who knows. The information has changed by the minute. It’s still a bit variable, depending on which papers you read.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Ah…hindsight. It’s a wonderful thing.

:)

Well, some other states managed to not be so moronic with public health.

I’m not sure when this happened. Back at the beginning there was next to zero knowledge about incubation periods, infectivity periods etc. It might have been reasonable at that stage to think asymptomatic was unlikely to be infective. Who knows. The information has changed by the minute. It’s still a bit variable, depending on which papers you read.

This was just before the second wave boomed, in Victoria, and it made Nsw ruby princess fiasco look like a mere three mile island…

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Well, some other states managed to not be so moronic with public health.

I’m not sure when this happened. Back at the beginning there was next to zero knowledge about incubation periods, infectivity periods etc. It might have been reasonable at that stage to think asymptomatic was unlikely to be infective. Who knows. The information has changed by the minute. It’s still a bit variable, depending on which papers you read.

This was just before the second wave boomed, in Victoria, and it made Nsw ruby princess fiasco look like a mere three mile island…

Oh, I thought they were talking about much earlier than that. All the news stuff has been about the very beginning of hotel quarantine.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Well, some other states managed to not be so moronic with public health.

I’m not sure when this happened. Back at the beginning there was next to zero knowledge about incubation periods, infectivity periods etc. It might have been reasonable at that stage to think asymptomatic was unlikely to be infective. Who knows. The information has changed by the minute. It’s still a bit variable, depending on which papers you read.

This was just before the second wave boomed, in Victoria, and it made Nsw ruby princess fiasco look like a mere three mile island…

There was no deaths with three mile island…

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I’m not sure when this happened. Back at the beginning there was next to zero knowledge about incubation periods, infectivity periods etc. It might have been reasonable at that stage to think asymptomatic was unlikely to be infective. Who knows. The information has changed by the minute. It’s still a bit variable, depending on which papers you read.

This was just before the second wave boomed, in Victoria, and it made Nsw ruby princess fiasco look like a mere three mile island…

There was no deaths with three mile island…

Well pick one that had some deaths, I was paraphrasing the simpsons .

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

This was just before the second wave boomed, in Victoria, and it made Nsw ruby princess fiasco look like a mere three mile island…

There was no deaths with three mile island…

Well pick one that had some deaths, I was paraphrasing the simpsons .

With about 700 episodes nearly everything you say be be considered paraphrasing the simpsons.

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I’m not sure when this happened. Back at the beginning there was next to zero knowledge about incubation periods, infectivity periods etc. It might have been reasonable at that stage to think asymptomatic was unlikely to be infective. Who knows. The information has changed by the minute. It’s still a bit variable, depending on which papers you read.

This was just before the second wave boomed, in Victoria, and it made Nsw ruby princess fiasco look like a mere three mile island…

There was no deaths with three mile island…

None they told us about

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

“ Victoria’s Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.”

😂 , must’ve gone to trump university.

Or idiots.

Probably idiots.

Between Border Force and Vic’s health department, there was a lot of fuckups that cost lives. We had hotel quarantine precisely to stop asymptomatic carriers free in public.

hindsight, because nothing like any of it could have been predicted

Dark Orange said:

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

“ Victoria’s Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.”

😂 , must’ve gone to trump university.

Or idiots.

Probably idiots.

Between Border Force and Vic’s health department, there was a lot of fuckups that cost lives. We had hotel quarantine precisely to stop asymptomatic carriers free in public.