Watch Barack Obama’s Full Speech At The 2020 DNC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bps3m4eFTuE
…also known as the Latest Episode of
“What Burns Donald’s Biscuits” (-:{
This is how I’m starting to see it.
Being that he doesn’t listen to his advisors
so he’d be the one who’d impulsively
insists on Pulling the Chain,
then refuses to take
responsibility.
…then he’d fire everyone.
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.
Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
He’s lowered the bar for acceptable administrative standards so far, it’s hard to imagine a credible recovery, especially if he wins a second term. That would essentially be the end of the US except as a powerful but unwelcome Third World appendage to the West.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
He’s lowered the bar for acceptable administrative standards so far, it’s hard to imagine a credible recovery, especially if he wins a second term. That would essentially be the end of the US except as a powerful but unwelcome Third World appendage to the West.
Nup, that’s really not an answer. Nixon had blokes breaking into offices, Kennedy was screwing any thing that moved, Clinton added in the interns to Kennedy’s list. They were all bombing busted arse countries willy nilly. Trump hasn’t started any wars and he’s actually been trying to withdraw US troops from bases all around the world.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
division?
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
He’s lowered the bar for acceptable administrative standards so far, it’s hard to imagine a credible recovery, especially if he wins a second term. That would essentially be the end of the US except as a powerful but unwelcome Third World appendage to the West.
Nup, that’s really not an answer. Nixon had blokes breaking into offices, Kennedy was screwing any thing that moved, Clinton added in the interns to Kennedy’s list. They were all bombing busted arse countries willy nilly. Trump hasn’t started any wars and he’s actually been trying to withdraw US troops from bases all around the world.
He’s been moving troops around.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:He’s lowered the bar for acceptable administrative standards so far, it’s hard to imagine a credible recovery, especially if he wins a second term. That would essentially be the end of the US except as a powerful but unwelcome Third World appendage to the West.
Nup, that’s really not an answer. Nixon had blokes breaking into offices, Kennedy was screwing any thing that moved, Clinton added in the interns to Kennedy’s list. They were all bombing busted arse countries willy nilly. Trump hasn’t started any wars and he’s actually been trying to withdraw US troops from bases all around the world.
He’s been moving troops around.
He’s been trying like fuck to get out of Afghanistan. It’s been the USA’s longest ever war. He’s actually trying to get people out.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
He’s lowered the bar for acceptable administrative standards so far, it’s hard to imagine a credible recovery, especially if he wins a second term. That would essentially be the end of the US except as a powerful but unwelcome Third World appendage to the West.
Nup, that’s really not an answer. Nixon had blokes breaking into offices, Kennedy was screwing any thing that moved, Clinton added in the interns to Kennedy’s list. They were all bombing busted arse countries willy nilly. Trump hasn’t started any wars and he’s actually been trying to withdraw US troops from bases all around the world.
Backing down from your enemies and sh!tting on your friends makes a bad president…
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
He’s lowered the bar for acceptable administrative standards so far, it’s hard to imagine a credible recovery, especially if he wins a second term. That would essentially be the end of the US except as a powerful but unwelcome Third World appendage to the West.
Nup, that’s really not an answer. Nixon had blokes breaking into offices, Kennedy was screwing any thing that moved, Clinton added in the interns to Kennedy’s list. They were all bombing busted arse countries willy nilly. Trump hasn’t started any wars and he’s actually been trying to withdraw US troops from bases all around the world.
Have a look at what’s going on in the population and its political and ethical culture. The nation is failing, it’s not just an illusion. There’s a powerful renaissance of the worst aspects of their historical racism, xenophobia, religious nutcasery, anti-science, anti-progress, anti-social madness, all encouraged by the president and his team.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
division?
I’m fairly sure that Lincoln has that one covered. :)
Another bloody republican.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
The absolute antithesis of Kennedy’s “ask not what your country can do for you”…
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
Bloody hell, that’s such a catch all that it could apply to every president since Washington.
You really think the majority of USA residents give a flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks? My question was, and remains, what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
The absolute antithesis of Kennedy’s “ask not what your country can do for you”…
Ahh, Camelot…it was so grand. Vietnam war just getting stuck into. Facing off against those nasty Russian fuckers and putting the whole world at risk. Placing an embargo that is going to impoverish, for the next 50, years a small island nation just off the coast of Florida. It was ideal, a paradise of sorts.
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
Bloody hell, that’s such a catch all that it could apply to every president since Washington.
You really think the majority of USA residents give a flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks? My question was, and remains, what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’m with you. I get it. The evidence strongly suggests that all Americans are stupid. Even the ones who are not demonstrably brain-dead morons believe in a dream that, well… You would need to be asleep to think was possible.
Trump, more than any other, has been the manifestation of their turning away from good intention.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
Bloody hell, that’s such a catch all that it could apply to every president since Washington.
You really think the majority of USA residents give a flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks? My question was, and remains, what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’m with you. I get it. The evidence strongly suggests that all Americans are stupid. Even the ones who are not demonstrably brain-dead morons believe in a dream that, well… You would need to be asleep to think was possible.
Trump, more than any other, has been the manifestation of their turning away from good intention.
ROFL
sibeen said:
furious said:
Rule 303 said:Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
The absolute antithesis of Kennedy’s “ask not what your country can do for you”…
Ahh, Camelot…it was so grand. Vietnam war just getting stuck into. Facing off against those nasty Russian fuckers and putting the whole world at risk. Placing an embargo that is going to impoverish, for the next 50, years a small island nation just off the coast of Florida. It was ideal, a paradise of sorts.
I can see which way this is going, there is no sense in continuing else it devolve into flinging of muck…
As much as he rolls his eyes at the Guardian, sibeen seems to think the lefty do-gooders wield much power and influence beyond their bubble. Increasingly, they don’t.
In the pre-internet world, it was possible for the centre right to be constrained by a powerful centre left, both in politics and mainstream public opinion. Those days are pretty much gone.
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:Bloody hell, that’s such a catch all that it could apply to every president since Washington.
You really think the majority of USA residents give a flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks? My question was, and remains, what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’m with you. I get it. The evidence strongly suggests that all Americans are stupid. Even the ones who are not demonstrably brain-dead morons believe in a dream that, well… You would need to be asleep to think was possible.
Trump, more than any other, has been the manifestation of their turning away from good intention.
ROFL
It’s alright. Don’t try to talk. Just put your head between your knees and breath for a minute.
furious said:
sibeen said:
furious said:The absolute antithesis of Kennedy’s “ask not what your country can do for you”…
Ahh, Camelot…it was so grand. Vietnam war just getting stuck into. Facing off against those nasty Russian fuckers and putting the whole world at risk. Placing an embargo that is going to impoverish, for the next 50, years a small island nation just off the coast of Florida. It was ideal, a paradise of sorts.
I can see which way this is going, there is no sense in continuing else it devolve into flinging of muck…
No, I’m purely asking what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’ve already stated that I believe he is a shitty president. I’ve already stated that I believe he’s the dumbest. Before this human malware came into play earlier this year the USA economy was powering along. The lowest unemployment figures in decades. The polls were showing about a 5% split. There was quite a good chance that he’d win the Presidential race again. Because he really hadn’t fucked it all up. It was business as usual. Nothing much changed. Those on the left hated him with a passion, those on the right loved him the same – many had to put away their christian values and grab some pussy, but they sucked it up; but for the middle of the road they just didn’t hate him as much as people on this forum think they should.
Bubblecar said:
As much as he rolls his eyes at the Guardian, sibeen seems to think the lefty do-gooders wield much power and influence beyond their bubble. Increasingly, they don’t.In the pre-internet world, it was possible for the centre right to be constrained by a powerful centre left, both in politics and mainstream public opinion. Those days are pretty much gone.
This is where I get into trouble, especially with sm. I think Trump is the worst thing to happen to USA politics in decades. I truly do, but unless I drink the kool-aid that Maddow and her ilk drink. I’m somehow a right wing loon.
But saying that, I really don’t think he has damaged the USA all that much. Mainly because, as Curve used to point out, even a President hell bent on a position sometimes can’t make it work out. Obama promised he’d shut Guantanamo Bay, eight years later he left office and it was still open.
sibeen said:
furious said:
sibeen said:Ahh, Camelot…it was so grand. Vietnam war just getting stuck into. Facing off against those nasty Russian fuckers and putting the whole world at risk. Placing an embargo that is going to impoverish, for the next 50, years a small island nation just off the coast of Florida. It was ideal, a paradise of sorts.
I can see which way this is going, there is no sense in continuing else it devolve into flinging of muck…
No, I’m purely asking what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’ve already stated that I believe he is a shitty president. I’ve already stated that I believe he’s the dumbest. Before this human malware came into play earlier this year the USA economy was powering along. The lowest unemployment figures in decades. The polls were showing about a 5% split. There was quite a good chance that he’d win the Presidential race again. Because he really hadn’t fucked it all up. It was business as usual. Nothing much changed. Those on the left hated him with a passion, those on the right loved him the same – many had to put away their christian values and grab some pussy, but they sucked it up; but for the middle of the road they just didn’t hate him as much as people on this forum think they should.
Those lowest unemployment figures..weighed up against underemployment and casualisation and low wages and people who are working hard but still homeless. Oh yes. The best oatmeals.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
an interesting question, it invites comparison doesn’t it, and probably aspects aren’t comparable
thing is, you can look at this one, no comparison required, and see the siege mentality at work, feeding the siege
not monopolized by the right, the left end up working for the right when they operate from siege, and that’s no accident, further it’s probably no accident there’s some correspondence between the siege business and the belief everything is political (evident in the extremes)
sibeen said:
furious said:
sibeen said:Ahh, Camelot…it was so grand. Vietnam war just getting stuck into. Facing off against those nasty Russian fuckers and putting the whole world at risk. Placing an embargo that is going to impoverish, for the next 50, years a small island nation just off the coast of Florida. It was ideal, a paradise of sorts.
I can see which way this is going, there is no sense in continuing else it devolve into flinging of muck…
No, I’m purely asking what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’ve already stated that I believe he is a shitty president. I’ve already stated that I believe he’s the dumbest. Before this human malware came into play earlier this year the USA economy was powering along. The lowest unemployment figures in decades. The polls were showing about a 5% split. There was quite a good chance that he’d win the Presidential race again. Because he really hadn’t fucked it all up. It was business as usual. Nothing much changed. Those on the left hated him with a passion, those on the right loved him the same – many had to put away their christian values and grab some pussy, but they sucked it up; but for the middle of the road they just didn’t hate him as much as people on this forum think they should.
Not shitty; the shittest.
The abrogation of free-trade. Low unemployment caused by record budget deficits is nothing to be proud of. Cosying up to dictators and alienating allies. These alone make Trump the ‘worst’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
furious said:I can see which way this is going, there is no sense in continuing else it devolve into flinging of muck…
No, I’m purely asking what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’ve already stated that I believe he is a shitty president. I’ve already stated that I believe he’s the dumbest. Before this human malware came into play earlier this year the USA economy was powering along. The lowest unemployment figures in decades. The polls were showing about a 5% split. There was quite a good chance that he’d win the Presidential race again. Because he really hadn’t fucked it all up. It was business as usual. Nothing much changed. Those on the left hated him with a passion, those on the right loved him the same – many had to put away their christian values and grab some pussy, but they sucked it up; but for the middle of the road they just didn’t hate him as much as people on this forum think they should.
Not shitty; the shittest.
The abrogation of free-trade. Low unemployment caused by record budget deficits is nothing to be proud of. Cosying up to dictators and alienating allies. These alone make Trump the ‘worst’.
Maybe we should add some historical perspective and merely suggest that Trump is the worst president since the 1920s.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
advocated racial violence, corrupted the justice system, critically damaged international relations, threw out moral authority and the rule of law
Ogmog said:
fucking idiocy.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
advocated racial violence, corrupted the justice system, critically damaged international relations, threw out moral authority and the rule of law
Not really.
No president has actually done anything since Kennedy, and Kennedy was killed for it.
Take Obama for instance. His nuclear peace treaty was totally ignored by the US Military. Net effect zero. How’s Obamacare doing. Not well, I suspect. Created ISIS.
Take Trump for instance. He came in on the promises of “build the wall” and “destroy NASA”. And what’s happened? Nothing. Got out of Syria without starting a new war.
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Narcissism and diminished expectations. Brought the government into disrepute on the world stage. Normalised significant misconduct, blatant nepotism and corruption of every process he could influence. Led wholesale disintegration of social cohesion. Embraced and popularised anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, anti-factual and anti-ethical behaviours and policies.
Bloody hell, that’s such a catch all that it could apply to every president since Washington.
You really think the majority of USA residents give a flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks? My question was, and remains, what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Made it great again.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
furious said:I can see which way this is going, there is no sense in continuing else it devolve into flinging of muck…
No, I’m purely asking what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’ve already stated that I believe he is a shitty president. I’ve already stated that I believe he’s the dumbest. Before this human malware came into play earlier this year the USA economy was powering along. The lowest unemployment figures in decades. The polls were showing about a 5% split. There was quite a good chance that he’d win the Presidential race again. Because he really hadn’t fucked it all up. It was business as usual. Nothing much changed. Those on the left hated him with a passion, those on the right loved him the same – many had to put away their christian values and grab some pussy, but they sucked it up; but for the middle of the road they just didn’t hate him as much as people on this forum think they should.
Not shitty; the shittest.
The abrogation of free-trade. Low unemployment caused by record budget deficits is nothing to be proud of. Cosying up to dictators and alienating allies. These alone make Trump the ‘worst’.
There are many in the USA who think that free trade hurts the USA and therefore curtailing NAFTA and putting tariffs on Chinese goods is the way to go. As to cosying up to dictators that’s something that could be said of every US president this century.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:No, I’m purely asking what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
I’ve already stated that I believe he is a shitty president. I’ve already stated that I believe he’s the dumbest. Before this human malware came into play earlier this year the USA economy was powering along. The lowest unemployment figures in decades. The polls were showing about a 5% split. There was quite a good chance that he’d win the Presidential race again. Because he really hadn’t fucked it all up. It was business as usual. Nothing much changed. Those on the left hated him with a passion, those on the right loved him the same – many had to put away their christian values and grab some pussy, but they sucked it up; but for the middle of the road they just didn’t hate him as much as people on this forum think they should.
Not shitty; the shittest.
The abrogation of free-trade. Low unemployment caused by record budget deficits is nothing to be proud of. Cosying up to dictators and alienating allies. These alone make Trump the ‘worst’.
There are many in the USA who think that free trade hurts the USA and therefore curtailing NAFTA and putting tariffs on Chinese goods is the way to go. As to cosying up to dictators that’s something that could be said of every US president this century.
The structural problems with the US economy whereby jobs have disappeared and inequality has risen are not because of free trade otherwise they would be commonplace over the entire western world.
As for tariffs Trump has spent more trying to cushion those in the US who have suffered from them than what he has raised in taxing US consumers.
As for Bernie Sanders and others on the left who decry free trade i’m afraid they are just dreadfully misinformed.
Better start of with saying that on this occasion I agree with Bubblecar’s assessment of the cartoon at the head of the thread.
Having said that, I also agree with sibeen, as in agreeing with what he actually said, not some weird extrapolation to a pro-Trump statement.
As for all Americans being morons, not even half of them voted for him.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The structural problems with the US economy whereby jobs have disappeared and inequality has risen are not because of free trade otherwise they would be commonplace over the entire western world.
The first time I read that I didn’t realise it was supposed to be ironic.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The structural problems with the US economy whereby jobs have disappeared and inequality has risen are not because of free trade otherwise they would be commonplace over the entire western world.
The first time I read that I didn’t realise it was supposed to be ironic.
What’s Trade Like In The East Where All Belts And Roads Lead To ¿
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The structural problems with the US economy whereby jobs have disappeared and inequality has risen are not because of free trade otherwise they would be commonplace over the entire western world.
The first time I read that I didn’t realise it was supposed to be ironic.
I would have thought that the 50% growth in real wages in the last 40 years would have allowed you to buy a decent ‘irony detector’.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Better start of with saying that on this occasion I agree with Bubblecar’s assessment of the cartoon at the head of the thread.Having said that, I also agree with sibeen, as in agreeing with what he actually said, not some weird extrapolation to a pro-Trump statement.
As for all Americans being morons, not even half of them voted for him.
I don’t think sibeen’s being pro-Trump, I just think he’s underestimating the damage Trump has caused/is causing.
It’s hard to imagine the “Trump era” eventually being regarded as relatively innocuous, with hindsight. I expect future historians will be suitably scathing.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The structural problems with the US economy whereby jobs have disappeared and inequality has risen are not because of free trade otherwise they would be commonplace over the entire western world.
The first time I read that I didn’t realise it was supposed to be ironic.
I would have thought that the 50% growth in real wages in the last 40 years would have allowed you to buy a decent ‘irony detector’.
I have a perfectly good irony detector thanks.
It just gets a bit sluggish when overloaded.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Better start of with saying that on this occasion I agree with Bubblecar’s assessment of the cartoon at the head of the thread.Having said that, I also agree with sibeen, as in agreeing with what he actually said, not some weird extrapolation to a pro-Trump statement.
As for all Americans being morons, not even half of them voted for him.
I don’t think sibeen’s being pro-Trump, I just think he’s underestimating the damage Trump has caused/is causing.
It’s hard to imagine the “Trump era” eventually being regarded as relatively innocuous, with hindsight. I expect future historians will be suitably scathing.
Well it’s certainly made long-standing problems more visible, so from that point of view maybe it will be a good thing in the long term.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The first time I read that I didn’t realise it was supposed to be ironic.
I would have thought that the 50% growth in real wages in the last 40 years would have allowed you to buy a decent ‘irony detector’.
I have a perfectly good irony detector thanks.
It just gets a bit sluggish when overloaded.
Though to be fair you could be right that though free trade has allowed real wage growth unfortunately inequality is rising. My point is specific to the US example where real wages have been stagnant which some blame on free trade. I would argue this is because of structural factors unique to the US economy and US opponents of free trade are unequivocally wrong.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I would have thought that the 50% growth in real wages in the last 40 years would have allowed you to buy a decent ‘irony detector’.
I have a perfectly good irony detector thanks.
It just gets a bit sluggish when overloaded.
Though to be fair you could be right that though free trade has allowed real wage growth unfortunately inequality is rising. My point is specific to the US example where real wages have been stagnant which some blame on free trade. I would argue this is because of structural factors unique to the US economy and US opponents of free trade are unequivocally wrong.
It’s not just USA though. It certainly applies in Australia recently, and I suspect many other “western” countries.
I’m strongly in favour of “free” trade by the way (where “free” means open markets with an appropriate level of control to ensure that hidden costs are made visible (so far as is reasonably practicable)).
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I have a perfectly good irony detector thanks.
It just gets a bit sluggish when overloaded.
Though to be fair you could be right that though free trade has allowed real wage growth unfortunately inequality is rising. My point is specific to the US example where real wages have been stagnant which some blame on free trade. I would argue this is because of structural factors unique to the US economy and US opponents of free trade are unequivocally wrong.
It’s not just USA though. It certainly applies in Australia recently, and I suspect many other “western” countries.
I’m strongly in favour of “free” trade by the way (where “free” means open markets with an appropriate level of control to ensure that hidden costs are made visible (so far as is reasonably practicable)).
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Though to be fair you could be right that though free trade has allowed real wage growth unfortunately inequality is rising. My point is specific to the US example where real wages have been stagnant which some blame on free trade. I would argue this is because of structural factors unique to the US economy and US opponents of free trade are unequivocally wrong.
It’s not just USA though. It certainly applies in Australia recently, and I suspect many other “western” countries.
I’m strongly in favour of “free” trade by the way (where “free” means open markets with an appropriate level of control to ensure that hidden costs are made visible (so far as is reasonably practicable)).
I am opposed to free trade in a globalisation sense. Not for the possible economic benefits but because of the harmful climate change effects that unnecessary “food miles” causes.
Easily fixed with a global price on GHG emissions.
In fact it’s a good example of why global “free” trade is a good thing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It’s not just USA though. It certainly applies in Australia recently, and I suspect many other “western” countries.
I’m strongly in favour of “free” trade by the way (where “free” means open markets with an appropriate level of control to ensure that hidden costs are made visible (so far as is reasonably practicable)).
I am opposed to free trade in a globalisation sense. Not for the possible economic benefits but because of the harmful climate change effects that unnecessary “food miles” causes.Easily fixed with a global price on GHG emissions.
In fact it’s a good example of why global “free” trade is a good thing.
I wouldn’t be averse to the use of tariffs, by international agreement, punitively for other reasons, for instance human rights abuses
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:I am opposed to free trade in a globalisation sense. Not for the possible economic benefits but because of the harmful climate change effects that unnecessary “food miles” causes.
Easily fixed with a global price on GHG emissions.
In fact it’s a good example of why global “free” trade is a good thing.
I wouldn’t be averse to the use of tariffs, by international agreement, punitively for other reasons, for instance human rights abuses
Prices on emissions..
How do you price a spilled oil tanker on yet another sensitive reef?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Easily fixed with a global price on GHG emissions.
In fact it’s a good example of why global “free” trade is a good thing.
I wouldn’t be averse to the use of tariffs, by international agreement, punitively for other reasons, for instance human rights abuses
Prices on emissions..
How do you price a spilled oil tanker on yet another sensitive reef?
Suspend their licence to trade
roughbarked said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Easily fixed with a global price on GHG emissions.
In fact it’s a good example of why global “free” trade is a good thing.
I wouldn’t be averse to the use of tariffs, by international agreement, punitively for other reasons, for instance human rights abuses
Prices on emissions..
How do you price a spilled oil tanker on yet another sensitive reef?
The same way you price any other event due to human activity with adverse effects on the environment.
How would you deal with it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I wouldn’t be averse to the use of tariffs, by international agreement, punitively for other reasons, for instance human rights abuses
Prices on emissions..
How do you price a spilled oil tanker on yet another sensitive reef?
The same way you price any other event due to human activity with adverse effects on the environment.
How would you deal with it?
Clearly these tankers need to be renewed more often and strict regulations need to be applied. Too many junkers floating around with incompetents at the helm.
Otherwise find another form of energy and leave the bloody oil where it is.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Prices on emissions..
How do you price a spilled oil tanker on yet another sensitive reef?
The same way you price any other event due to human activity with adverse effects on the environment.
How would you deal with it?
Clearly these tankers need to be renewed more often and strict regulations need to be applied. Too many junkers floating around with incompetents at the helm.
Otherwise find another form of energy and leave the bloody oil where it is.
Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The same way you price any other event due to human activity with adverse effects on the environment.
How would you deal with it?
Clearly these tankers need to be renewed more often and strict regulations need to be applied. Too many junkers floating around with incompetents at the helm.
Otherwise find another form of energy and leave the bloody oil where it is.
Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Clearly these tankers need to be renewed more often and strict regulations need to be applied. Too many junkers floating around with incompetents at the helm.
Otherwise find another form of energy and leave the bloody oil where it is.
Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
If it was my money I’d be investing in ways to avoid tankering oil around and reducing other ways of polluting the earth’s systems.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Clearly these tankers need to be renewed more often and strict regulations need to be applied. Too many junkers floating around with incompetents at the helm.
Otherwise find another form of energy and leave the bloody oil where it is.
Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
An oil spill results in your licence to trade being revoked
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
An oil spill results in your licence to trade being revoked
Not going to stop it happening. These are all after the fucking oil is spilled and OK I don’t want to be seen as the only person who does cry over spilt oil.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Clearly these tankers need to be renewed more often and strict regulations need to be applied. Too many junkers floating around with incompetents at the helm.
Otherwise find another form of energy and leave the bloody oil where it is.
Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
Shonky company, Clapped out Liberian registered tanker. Oil spill. Company goes bankrupt. No one left to pay fines.
Happened way to often.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
An oil spill results in your licence to trade being revoked
Not going to stop it happening. These are all after the fucking oil is spilled and OK I don’t want to be seen as the only person who does cry over spilt oil.
No but fines and other penalties don’t mean much so perhaps if you are delisted you might have an incentive to be more careful
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Clearly these tankers need to be renewed more often and strict regulations need to be applied. Too many junkers floating around with incompetents at the helm.
Otherwise find another form of energy and leave the bloody oil where it is.
Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
I didn’t suggest that it did.
Saying xyz “needs to be done” doesn’t fix everything either.
In fact it doesn’t fix anything.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
If it was my money I’d be investing in ways to avoid tankering oil around and reducing other ways of polluting the earth’s systems.
Well that’s why there should be a price on all forms of pollution; so that the people who have control over the risks have an incentive to reduce them, and the people who buy the end products of the risky processes have an incentive to buy products of less risky processes.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Nice one centurion
Ian said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
This thread is spoilt by the silly cartoon.Trump has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president.
In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Nice one centurion
you can’t win this argument. Sibeen starts by owning your argument.
sarahs mum said:
Ian said:
sibeen said:In what way?
Serious question. Whilst I believe that he’s a candidate for the worst US president ever, and a shoe in for the position of the dumbest; what has he actually done that has fucked up America way in excess of any previous president?
Nice one centurion
you can’t win this argument. Sibeen starts by owning your argument.
What? I’ve never seen sibeen win any argument in this place unless it was on some obtuse electrical networky thing.
Besides, he posted that at midnight last night and woulda been pisstas
This is a snapshot of the daily deaths per million capita based on worldometer’s data for 20/8.
All … ALL … of the top ten are in the Americas.
16 of the top 20 are in the Americas. Shit eh.
In Africa, South Africa, Cabo Verde, Eswatini, Gambia are doing pretty badly.
In the Middle East sensu lato, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Oman.
Eastern Europe appears to be the locus of a new surge: Romania, Bosnia&Herz, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Albania, Armenia, Ukraine.
In Western Europe, there are now no countries doing worse than 1 per million cap per day, and few higher than 0.5: just Belgium, Netherlands, and Sweden.
Australia is also pegging around 0.5.
| Aruba | 9.36 |
| Peru | 6.05 |
| Brazil | 5.80 |
| Mexico | 5.48 |
| Bolivia | 5.22 |
| Chile | 4.86 |
| Argentina | 4.13 |
| Colombia | 4.00 |
| Panama | 3.93 |
| USA | 3.29 |
| South Africa | 3.28 |
| Ecuador | 3.05 |
| Guyana | 2.54 |
| Bahamas | 2.54 |
| Belize | 2.51 |
| Romania | 2.50 |
| Bosnia and Herzegov | 2.44 |
| Costa Rica | 2.35 |
| Guatemala | 2.17 |
| Iraq | 2.16 |
| Cabo Verde | 1.80 |
| Moldova | 1.74 |
| Eswatini | 1.72 |
| Suriname | 1.70 |
| Iran | 1.65 |
| Gambia | 1.65 |
| Montenegro | 1.59 |
| Israel | 1.52 |
| Honduras | 1.51 |
| North Macedonia | 1.44 |
| Albania | 1.39 |
| Saudi Arabia | 1.20 |
| Oman | 1.17 |
| El Salvador | 1.08 |
| Armenia | 1.01 |
| Ukraine | 0.92 |
| Morocco | 0.87 |
| Belgium | 0.86 |
| Philippines | 0.80 |
| Namibia | 0.79 |
| Russia | 0.75 |
| Bulgaria | 0.72 |
| India | 0.71 |
| Lebanon | 0.59 |
| Bahrain | 0.59 |
| Netherlands | 0.58 |
| Libya | 0.58 |
| Serbia | 0.57 |
| Belarus | 0.53 |
| Australia | 0.51 |
| Sweden | 0.50 |
| Kuwait | 0.47 |
| Norway | 0.37 |
| Dominican Republic | 0.37 |
| Lithuania | 0.37 |
| Spain | 0.34 |
| Poland | 0.32 |
| Uruguay | 0.29 |
| Venezuela | 0.28 |
| Zambia | 0.27 |
| Indonesia | 0.26 |
| Afghanistan | 0.26 |
| Tunisia | 0.25 |
| Bangladesh | 0.25 |
| Switzerland | 0.23 |
| Syria | 0.23 |
| Turkey | 0.23 |
| Nepal | 0.21 |
| Algeria | 0.21 |
| Ireland | 0.20 |
| UAE | 0.20 |
| Portugal | 0.20 |
| Palestine | 0.20 |
| Czechia | 0.19 |
| Kenya | 0.19 |
| France | 0.18 |
| Senegal | 0.18 |
| Ethiopia | 0.17 |
| Ghana | 0.16 |
| Egypt | 0.15 |
| Madagascar | 0.14 |
| Hong Kong | 0.13 |
| Canada | 0.13 |
| Japan | 0.13 |
| Germany | 0.12 |
| Uzbekistan | 0.12 |
| Papua New Guinea | 0.11 |
| Tajikistan | 0.11 |
| Italy | 0.10 |
| Sudan | 0.09 |
| UK | 0.09 |
| Rwanda | 0.08 |
| Cameroon | 0.08 |
| Zimbabwe | 0.07 |
| Yemen | 0.07 |
| Uganda | 0.07 |
| Malawi | 0.05 |
| Ivory Coast | 0.04 |
| Pakistan | 0.04 |
| Nigeria | 0.03 |
| Mozambique | 0.03 |
| Angola | 0.03 |
| S. Korea | 0.02 |
| DRC | 0.01 |
Scusi! Threado wrongo.
I think the key words here were ‘any other president’.
I’m not speaking for Shebs (I wouldn’t dare) but the fact that other presidents have fucked up too is a point.. however, DT’s fuckedupedness is different… others have fucked up in sort of mea culpa ways and gone ‘oops, whaddays gonna do?’ sort of thing and hidden their megalomania rather well bar some small showings.. DT has utmostly refused to hide his megalomania, indeed flaunted it in many ways… and this pisses people off.. at least try to not look like an ass.
Arts said:
I think the key words here were ‘any other president’.I’m not speaking for Shebs (I wouldn’t dare) but the fact that other presidents have fucked up too is a point.. however, DT’s fuckedupedness is different… others have fucked up in sort of mea culpa ways and gone ‘oops, whaddays gonna do?’ sort of thing and hidden their megalomania rather well bar some small showings.. DT has utmostly refused to hide his megalomania, indeed flaunted it in many ways… and this pisses people off.. at least try to not look like an ass.
He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
dv said:
Arts said:
I think the key words here were ‘any other president’.I’m not speaking for Shebs (I wouldn’t dare) but the fact that other presidents have fucked up too is a point.. however, DT’s fuckedupedness is different… others have fucked up in sort of mea culpa ways and gone ‘oops, whaddays gonna do?’ sort of thing and hidden their megalomania rather well bar some small showings.. DT has utmostly refused to hide his megalomania, indeed flaunted it in many ways… and this pisses people off.. at least try to not look like an ass.
He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
yes
Indeed here is a post I made a few years ago regarding Nixon and his legacy.
We should take the occasion of the 20th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s death to reflect on his presidential legacy.He came to office at a time when the Vietnam War that President Kennedy started had been dangerously escalated by President Johnson, with 15000 US soldiers dying every year and a massively unpopular conscription program in place. In his first year of presidency, Nixon began winding back the involvement of US troops, with staged withdrawals following the training of South Vietnamese troops. In his first term, he ended conscription and early in his second term, the Paris Peace Accords were signed, signalling the end of military action by the USA in Vietnam.
He backed the successful Equal Rights Amendment, which put equal rights for women into the Constitution, and supported the USA’s first affirmative action program, restricting government contracts to companies that hired quotas of minorities. He abandoned the gold standard in favour of a floating fiat currency. Nixon saw federal money allocated to provide incentives for racial integration of schools. He initiated the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Health and Safety Admin and the Clean Air Act. Nixon supported legislated to broaden and strengthen Medicaid and other public health insurance initiatives.
When he was first elected, relations between China, the Soviet Union and the USA were, at best, icy, at worst, bellicose. Through personal diplomacy with Brezhnev and Mao, Nixon greatly improved these relationships and in this way made the world a safer place. He also put into place a cooperative space program between NASA and the Soviet program, which brought about the Apollo-Soyuz project.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well if there was a price on GHG emissions the demand for oil would drop, and if there was a price on tanker spillages it would give tanker owners greater incentive to avoid them.
I’m not sure what your point was.
You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
I didn’t suggest that it did.
Saying xyz “needs to be done” doesn’t fix everything either.
In fact it doesn’t fix anything.
:) or alternatively :(
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:You are still going to get oil spills and other pollutions. Money doesn’t fix everything.
If it was my money I’d be investing in ways to avoid tankering oil around and reducing other ways of polluting the earth’s systems.
Well that’s why there should be a price on all forms of pollution; so that the people who have control over the risks have an incentive to reduce them, and the people who buy the end products of the risky processes have an incentive to buy products of less risky processes.
The current price is too high and a lot of them are probably glad covid came so they can disappear before anyone can see what they did.
dv said:
Arts said:
I think the key words here were ‘any other president’.I’m not speaking for Shebs (I wouldn’t dare) but the fact that other presidents have fucked up too is a point.. however, DT’s fuckedupedness is different… others have fucked up in sort of mea culpa ways and gone ‘oops, whaddays gonna do?’ sort of thing and hidden their megalomania rather well bar some small showings.. DT has utmostly refused to hide his megalomania, indeed flaunted it in many ways… and this pisses people off.. at least try to not look like an ass.
He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
I think I could agree with all of that.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Arts said:
I think the key words here were ‘any other president’.I’m not speaking for Shebs (I wouldn’t dare) but the fact that other presidents have fucked up too is a point.. however, DT’s fuckedupedness is different… others have fucked up in sort of mea culpa ways and gone ‘oops, whaddays gonna do?’ sort of thing and hidden their megalomania rather well bar some small showings.. DT has utmostly refused to hide his megalomania, indeed flaunted it in many ways… and this pisses people off.. at least try to not look like an ass.
He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
I think I could agree with all of that.
I wonder how Nixon would feel to think people are comparing him with Donald Trump.. of all the presidents, he’s the front runner for comparative analysis.
I know, I know: never read the comments. But I did, to see the general sentiment. Some people are switching from Republican to vote for Biden (or say they are), some are bragging about voting for Trump, most are happy and excited to vote for Biden.
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1296647615447207939?s=21
Arts said:
sibeen said:
dv said:He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
I think I could agree with all of that.
I wonder how Nixon would feel to think people are comparing him with Donald Trump.. of all the presidents, he’s the front runner for comparative analysis.
Country Joe McDonald – Tricky Dick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Hw5sjmvCw
Divine Angel said:
I know, I know: never read the comments. But I did, to see the general sentiment. Some people are switching from Republican to vote for Biden (or say they are), some are bragging about voting for Trump, most are happy and excited to vote for Biden.https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1296647615447207939?s=21
I’ve decided it is like football. The players can do all sorts of shit. Take drugs and rape underage girls. But the team is still shown loyalty because winning is important.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
dv said:He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
I think I could agree with all of that.
I wonder how Nixon would feel to think people are comparing him with Donald Trump.. of all the presidents, he’s the front runner for comparative analysis.
I’d have put Bush the Younger as the closest to Trump.
Not that I know anything about Merkin politics :)
sarahs mum said:
Divine Angel said:
I know, I know: never read the comments. But I did, to see the general sentiment. Some people are switching from Republican to vote for Biden (or say they are), some are bragging about voting for Trump, most are happy and excited to vote for Biden.https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1296647615447207939?s=21
I’ve decided it is like football. The players can do all sorts of shit. Take drugs and rape underage girls. But the team is still shown loyalty because winning is important.
Interesting notion.
That notion may well be correct.
Thanks for sharing it.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
dv said:He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
I think I could agree with all of that.
I wonder how Nixon would feel to think people are comparing him with Donald Trump.. of all the presidents, he’s the front runner for comparative analysis.
I mean … I am favourably comparing him to Trump.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
dv said:He seems to have the worst qualities of everyone without any redeeming features. I could pen an essay on everything good about any President. Nixon had a lot of fine personal qualities and achievements as president.
Even setting aside Trump’s racism and misogyny and nativism and cruelty to the disabled, he’s a genuine crook, utterly lacking in empathy or any other human emotion other than vanity, proudly ignorant, knows shit-all about international relations or domestic affairs or the Constitution or the law or history or governance, turned the Justice Department into his personal law firm, uses the office to enrich himself, can’t spell or do arithmetic, uses the pardon power as a way to reward personal favours … and that’s his good points.
I think I could agree with all of that.
I wonder how Nixon would feel to think people are comparing him with Donald Trump.. of all the presidents, he’s the front runner for comparative analysis.
Nixon would have been impeached for perjury. Sad reflection on the GOP that Trump got away with a lot worse IMO.
