Happy now, Rule?

The Queensland Chief Medical Officer has granted exemptions for farmers in New South Wales who have land in Queensland to come up – to get a permit, a practical solution to come up and to be able to check their livestock and tender their crops,” Mr Littleproud said.
————————————————

Well the Queensland Government has partially backed down on the borders but it doesn’t help me.
They are now apparently letting NSW people come across if they have property in Qld but not visa versa according to that.
Maybe they have, it would be nuts if it’s not reciprocal.

buffy said:

Happy now, Rule?

Happy as a metaphor in a simile.

Health authorities failed to disclose NSW Central Coast COVID-19 cluster
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/failure-to-disclose-nsw-central-coast-covid-19-cluster/12582628

Peak Warming Man said:

The Queensland Chief Medical Officer has granted exemptions for farmers in New South Wales who have land in Queensland to come up – to get a permit, a practical solution to come up and to be able to check their livestock and tender their crops,” Mr Littleproud said.
————————————————

Well the Queensland Government has partially backed down on the borders but it doesn’t help me.
They are now apparently letting NSW people come across if they have property in Qld but not visa versa according to that.
Maybe they have, it would be nuts if it’s not reciprocal.

Hope so, for you.

Dark Orange said:

Divine Angel said:

Found this page when looking to argue with Darren on Facebook, who claims Covid only has a 0.0004% mortality rate.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

It all depends on which numbers you use to calculate the result.

You could argue that with over 800K deaths and 14.8M recovered worldwide, it has a mortality rate of well over 5%.

That’s Because They Haven’t Tested Everyone! So In Reality There Are A Thousand Times As Many Cases And The Mortality Rate Is Low!

(meanwhile obviously if we don’t test for it we don’t have a problem)

You initially think that the undertesting is a consequence of the logistical difficulty of getting tests out. Then as you know it actually deliberate, to maintain plausible deniability.

https://covidlive.com.au/report/active-cases-by-lga

Look at all those green arrows.

buffy said:

https://covidlive.com.au/report/active-cases-by-lga

Look at all those green arrows.

pity, with the new low death rate, we could have gone for flock immunity so much faster

SCIENCE said:

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Danny Accused Of Seeking To Replace Mob Rule With Scientific Consensus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/explainer-victoria-state-of-emergency-coronavirus-dan-andrews/12589334

“The Opposition — the Liberals and Nationals — will be opposing this power grab with everything we’ve got,” he said.

“This is not the act of a democrat. This is the act of a premier whose power has gone to his head.”

He said if there needed to be an extension at all, it should have a strict, smaller time limit, and there must be accountability mechanisms in place.

Mr Andrews, a former health minister in the Brumby government, said the notion of a global pandemic was “probably not seen as something that was necessary to countenance” when the laws were written 15 years ago.

When asked whether he would consider supporting amendments to give Parliament a say in the monthly extension of a state of emergency, Mr Andrews suggested he would not.

“We want the scientists absolutely committed to the science, not having to necessarily engage in a political process every two or three weeks,” he said.

“It’s my sincere hope that there is a majority of people in both houses who say look, this is a fair thing, let’s follow the advice, let’s see this thing off.”

To be fair, it is what he has always said.
It is not his fault that nobody followed his advice.

in separate news, we know that popular cultural references are not kosher here, and dietary consumption of chiropterans is not halal, but as memememe said, “you are what you eat”, so do any of you others find that whenever you see this fella

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/images/videos/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-dr-nick-coatsworth-message-on-masks.jpg
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/images/videos/2020/05/covidsafe-app---learn-more-with-dr-nick-coatsworth.jpg

‘Come back Jeff Kennett, and take on Daniel Andrews’: Paul Murray
Sky News Australia
31K views 5 hours ago
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Perhaps Jeff is hiding. We can hope.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/victoria-coronavirus-state-of-emergency-bill-faces-opposition/12590550

Victorian Government faces Upper House battle to extend coronavirus state of emergency powers – ABC news

>> the Reason Party’s Fiona Patten wants the Government to “rework the proposal” and come back to the crossbench with a three or six-month extension instead.<<

This is what I see happening.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/victoria-coronavirus-state-of-emergency-bill-faces-opposition/12590550

Victorian Government faces Upper House battle to extend coronavirus state of emergency powers – ABC news

>> the Reason Party’s Fiona Patten wants the Government to “rework the proposal” and come back to the crossbench with a three or six-month extension instead.<<

This is what I see happening.

Yep. I think Dan has overstepped on this one.

Researchers announce ‘world’s first’ confirmed case of coronavirus reinfection

By Bevan Shields
August 25, 2020 — 3.06am

London: Researchers claim to have confirmed the world’s first case of a coronavirus reinfection, in a discovery with far-reaching consequences for the fight against the pandemic.

The 33-year-old IT worker was struck down by the disease in Hong Kong during the first wave of the pandemic, but recovered and was discharged in mid-April. However, he tested positive again in mid-August — some 142 days later — after travelling through Spain and the United Kingdom.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/researchers-announce-world-s-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-20200824-p55ox1.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Researchers announce ‘world’s first’ confirmed case of coronavirus reinfection

By Bevan Shields
August 25, 2020 — 3.06am

London: Researchers claim to have confirmed the world’s first case of a coronavirus reinfection, in a discovery with far-reaching consequences for the fight against the pandemic.

The 33-year-old IT worker was struck down by the disease in Hong Kong during the first wave of the pandemic, but recovered and was discharged in mid-April. However, he tested positive again in mid-August — some 142 days later — after travelling through Spain and the United Kingdom.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/researchers-announce-world-s-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-20200824-p55ox1.html

Um, no.
People were getting re-infected in April. This is old news.

Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Researchers announce ‘world’s first’ confirmed case of coronavirus reinfection

By Bevan Shields
August 25, 2020 — 3.06am

London: Researchers claim to have confirmed the world’s first case of a coronavirus reinfection, in a discovery with far-reaching consequences for the fight against the pandemic.

The 33-year-old IT worker was struck down by the disease in Hong Kong during the first wave of the pandemic, but recovered and was discharged in mid-April. However, he tested positive again in mid-August — some 142 days later — after travelling through Spain and the United Kingdom.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/researchers-announce-world-s-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-20200824-p55ox1.html

Um, no.
People were getting re-infected in April. This is old news.

Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Researchers announce ‘world’s first’ confirmed case of coronavirus reinfection

By Bevan Shields
August 25, 2020 — 3.06am

London: Researchers claim to have confirmed the world’s first case of a coronavirus reinfection, in a discovery with far-reaching consequences for the fight against the pandemic.

The 33-year-old IT worker was struck down by the disease in Hong Kong during the first wave of the pandemic, but recovered and was discharged in mid-April. However, he tested positive again in mid-August — some 142 days later — after travelling through Spain and the United Kingdom.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/researchers-announce-world-s-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-20200824-p55ox1.html

Um, no.
People were getting re-infected in April. This is old news.

Yes, this is the first confirmed rather than anecdotally-evidenced re-infection. For a while there the experts weren’t sure reinfection was possible, rather people were just continuing symptoms from their first infection.

Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Researchers announce ‘world’s first’ confirmed case of coronavirus reinfection

By Bevan Shields
August 25, 2020 — 3.06am

London: Researchers claim to have confirmed the world’s first case of a coronavirus reinfection, in a discovery with far-reaching consequences for the fight against the pandemic.

The 33-year-old IT worker was struck down by the disease in Hong Kong during the first wave of the pandemic, but recovered and was discharged in mid-April. However, he tested positive again in mid-August — some 142 days later — after travelling through Spain and the United Kingdom.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/researchers-announce-world-s-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-20200824-p55ox1.html

Um, no.
People were getting re-infected in April. This is old news.

I think this is confirmation not that an initial infection can resurface months later but instead a person having one bout and then another months apart that are genomically distinct.

It was being noted in South Korea (I think) in April, that people were getting infected again, because some of them didn’t develop the antibodies that usually occur with wuch an illness.
It’s not new news.

Meanwhile, a man from Warnambool, Victoria has been charged after he allegedly unlawfully drove into NSW and led police on a 200-kilometre pursuit.

Police say the 51-year-old was trying to reach Canberra and the chase only came to end when he ran out of fuel.

Officers had stopped the man’s convertible at a checkpoint on the Hume Highway and discovered he had no permit to enter the state and had attempted to cross the border without a permit before.

Police say they were escorting the man back to Victoria when he sped away, and, at one stage, was travelling 172kph.

The man is due to face Gundagai Local Court today on several charges.

The Ellen DeGeneres Show removed from Nine’s main TV channel amid fallout from harassment claims.

Thank khrist.

So sick of useless TV repeats.

Divine Angel said:

Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Researchers announce ‘world’s first’ confirmed case of coronavirus reinfection

By Bevan Shields
August 25, 2020 — 3.06am

London: Researchers claim to have confirmed the world’s first case of a coronavirus reinfection, in a discovery with far-reaching consequences for the fight against the pandemic.

The 33-year-old IT worker was struck down by the disease in Hong Kong during the first wave of the pandemic, but recovered and was discharged in mid-April. However, he tested positive again in mid-August — some 142 days later — after travelling through Spain and the United Kingdom.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/researchers-announce-world-s-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-20200824-p55ox1.html

Um, no.
People were getting re-infected in April. This is old news.

Yes, this is the first confirmed rather than anecdotally-evidenced re-infection. For a while there the experts weren’t sure reinfection was possible, rather people were just continuing symptoms from their first infection.

This.

Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Researchers announce ‘world’s first’ confirmed case of coronavirus reinfection

By Bevan Shields
August 25, 2020 — 3.06am

London: Researchers claim to have confirmed the world’s first case of a coronavirus reinfection, in a discovery with far-reaching consequences for the fight against the pandemic.

The 33-year-old IT worker was struck down by the disease in Hong Kong during the first wave of the pandemic, but recovered and was discharged in mid-April. However, he tested positive again in mid-August — some 142 days later — after travelling through Spain and the United Kingdom.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/researchers-announce-world-s-first-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-20200824-p55ox1.html

Um, no.
People were getting re-infected in April. This is old news.

Yes, this is the first confirmed rather than anecdotally-evidenced re-infection. For a while there the experts weren’t sure reinfection was possible, rather people were just continuing symptoms from their first infection.

I think this is confirmation not that an initial infection can resurface months later but instead a person having one bout and then another months apart that are genomically distinct.

It was being noted in South Korea (I think) in April, that people were getting infected again, because some of them didn’t develop the antibodies that usually occur with wuch an illness.
It’s not new news.

ah yes well remember how in the same way, it was anecdotal that disease was spreading rapidly and people were dying in other countries (other than X) that are shitholes, until it affected country X, and then it’s evidence

roughbarked said:

Meanwhile, a man from Warnambool, Victoria has been charged after he allegedly unlawfully drove into NSW and led police on a 200-kilometre pursuit.

Police say the 51-year-old was trying to reach Canberra and the chase only came to end when he ran out of fuel.

Officers had stopped the man’s convertible at a checkpoint on the Hume Highway and discovered he had no permit to enter the state and had attempted to cross the border without a permit before.

Police say they were escorting the man back to Victoria when he sped away, and, at one stage, was travelling 172kph.

The man is due to face Gundagai Local Court today on several charges.

Another covidiot.

A young woman who was declared dead at her suburban Detroit home opened her eyes at a funeral home as she was about to be embalmed, a lawyer has said.

“They would have begun draining her blood to be very, very frank about it,” Geoffrey Fieger told WXYZ-TV. Fieger, who was hired by the family, identified the woman as Timesha Beauchamp.

The Southfield fire department acknowledged it was involved in a bizarre set of events on Sunday that began when a medical crew was summoned to a home where a 20-year-old woman was unresponsive.

Paramedics tried to revive her for 30 minutes and consulted an emergency room doctor, the department said.

The doctor “pronounced the patient deceased based upon medical information provided” from the scene, the department said.

The Oakland county medical examiner’s office said the body could be released to the family without an autopsy, according to the fire department.

But then came a startling discovery at the James H Cole funeral home in Detroit: the woman was still alive more than an hour later.

“Our staff confirmed she was breathing” and called a emergency medical crew, the funeral home said.

Fieger said: “They were about to embalm her, which is most frightening, had she not had her eyes open … The funeral home unzipping the body bag, literally that’s what happened to Timesha, and seeing her alive with her eyes open.”

Fieger did not return a message from the Associated Press.

Beauchamp was in a critical condition on Monday night, said Brian Taylor, spokesman for the Detroit Medical Centre.

“My heart is so heavy. Someone pronounced my child dead, and she’s not even dead,” Beauchamp’s mother, Erica Lattimore, told WDIV-TV.

Southfield said it was conducting an internal investigation but insisted that the fire and police departments had followed procedures.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/25/dead-woman-discovered-alive-in-body-bag-at-funeral-home

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Meanwhile, a man from Warnambool, Victoria has been charged after he allegedly unlawfully drove into NSW and led police on a 200-kilometre pursuit.

Police say the 51-year-old was trying to reach Canberra and the chase only came to end when he ran out of fuel.

Officers had stopped the man’s convertible at a checkpoint on the Hume Highway and discovered he had no permit to enter the state and had attempted to cross the border without a permit before.

Police say they were escorting the man back to Victoria when he sped away, and, at one stage, was travelling 172kph.

The man is due to face Gundagai Local Court today on several charges.

Another covidiot.

Not Content With 2 Weeks Of Luxury Hotel Quarantine, Woman Tries Her Luck For 6 Months Of Taxpayer-Funded Serviced Accommodation

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/woman-who-snuck-into-wa-on-truck-handed-six-month-jail-sentence/12592832

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Meanwhile, a man from Warnambool, Victoria has been charged after he allegedly unlawfully drove into NSW and led police on a 200-kilometre pursuit.

Police say the 51-year-old was trying to reach Canberra and the chase only came to end when he ran out of fuel.

Officers had stopped the man’s convertible at a checkpoint on the Hume Highway and discovered he had no permit to enter the state and had attempted to cross the border without a permit before.

Police say they were escorting the man back to Victoria when he sped away, and, at one stage, was travelling 172kph.

The man is due to face Gundagai Local Court today on several charges.

Another covidiot.

Not Content With 2 Weeks Of Luxury Hotel Quarantine, Woman Tries Her Luck For 6 Months Of Taxpayer-Funded Serviced Accommodation

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/woman-who-snuck-into-wa-on-truck-handed-six-month-jail-sentence/12592832

LOL

“ Someone pronounced my child dead, and she’s not even dead”

Don’t fret, it’ll happen one day.

Divine Angel said:

“ Someone pronounced my child dead, and she’s not even dead”

Don’t fret, it’ll happen one day.

Take her on the Thunder River Rapids Ride….

Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

“ Someone pronounced my child dead, and she’s not even dead”

Don’t fret, it’ll happen one day.

Take her on the Thunder River Rapids Ride….

Or drive at 172 km/hr.

Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

“ Someone pronounced my child dead, and she’s not even dead”

Don’t fret, it’ll happen one day.

Take her on the Thunder River Rapids Ride….

Oof

Quick squiz at world situation.

Daily deaths and new cases have both dropped this week worldwide. First time for a long time.
And daily deaths and new cases are finally in synch again after five months of “that’s impossible”.

Cases by country. I remain shocked by how many cases there are in South Africa. Thankfully it has a low mortality rate.

Although the following is supposed to be the current distribution of cases worldwide, the Djibouti data on this plot remains wrong, at the very least.

Sorting by death toll.

Tell us about the fraction of tests done that come back positive, and we’ll tell you more.

the holes are closing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/queensland-coronavirus-yacht-quarantine-exemption-revoked/12594902

Still no Covid-19 cases detected in Turkmenistan or North Korea.

That hasn’t stopped the wearing of masks being mandatory in North Korea. Unlike China, North Koreans have a big variety in mask designs.

North Korea has received thousands of coronavirus-testing kits from Russia and other countries, and imposed strict border closures. Thousands of people in North Korea were quarantined, in particular one person who illegally crossed in from South Korea back in July.

World roundup. All counties with top daily death rates, the the possible exception of Colombia, are showing signs of having overcome the worst of the disease. That’s a positive.

US over second peak.

Brazil deaths steady

Mexico deaths declining. I hate these weekly cycles.

India first signs of having reached peak in the death rate. See, no weekly cycle, which means better quality data.

UK has had a second peak in cases but no second peak in deaths. Ditto Italy, France (big second peak in cases),

Spain, big second peak in cases, small second peak in deaths. It seems as if all second peak cases in Europe are a completely different strain to first peak cases. Mexico may the the only major country where the High death rate European strain still survives. What this indicates to me is that coronovirus transmissions between countires may now be dominated by international food.

Peru deaths winding down.

Iran over second peak.

Columbia, um, need another week. Perhaps it’s just started a strong weekly cycle.

Russia is past peak.

South Africa is past peak.

Overall, good news.

In Dramatic And Surprising News

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-updates:-august-26/12594716

US experts have said mask-wearing has contributed to a 21 per cent fall in new COVID-19 infections in the US this month, but some warn insufficient testing could be concealing the full extent of the crisis.

OMG F’Real¿

anyway, more entertainingly

Kentucky Fried Chicken is temporarily suspending its long-time advertising slogan “it’s finger lickin’ good”, calling it inappropriate in the current COVID-19 pandemic where personal hygiene has become top priority to stem transmission.

In an era when face masks and hand-washing have become the norm and health officials are recommending people to stop touching their faces, KFC said the slogan “doesn’t feel quite right”.

The slogan, used on and off by the Yum Brands-owned chain for 64 years, will be paused in advertising around the globe from this week, the company said.

The restaurant chain unveiled a short video clip on its KFC UK and Ireland YouTube channel on Monday, showing various KFC chicken buckets with the “Finger Lickin’” words blurred out from its captions.

The ad then ends with the tagline: “That thing we always say? Ignore it. For now.”

The move comes after the chain pulled down one of its advertisements in the UK featuring the catchphrase, which showed people licking their own fingers as well as those of their companions after eating its chicken.

Meanwhile, after someone published evidence about it, suddenly everyone else has some as well!

Two European patients reinfected with coronavirus

Two European patients are confirmed to have been reinfected with the coronavirus, according to regional public broadcasters, raising concerns about immunity.

The news follows a report this week by researchers in Hong Kong about a man there who had been reinfected four and a half months after recovering.

Broadcasters said on Tuesday (local time) that a patient in the Netherlands and another in Belgium had been reinfected with the virus.

Russia Continues Its Impressively Slow, Smooth, And (Almost) Monotonic Decline

SCIENCE said:

…KFC said the slogan “doesn’t feel quite right”.

I think they’ve got their new slogan right there:

‘KFC – Doesn’t Feel Quite Right!’

• The move comes after the chain pulled down one of its advertisements in the UK featuring the catchphrase, which showed people licking their own fingers as well as those of their companions after eating its chicken.

Really? That is disgusting even without taking COVID into consideration…

SCIENCE said:

In Dramatic And Surprising News

Experts credit masks for US decline in COVID-19 infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-updates:-august-26/12594716

US experts have said mask-wearing has contributed to a 21 per cent fall in new COVID-19 infections in the US this month, but some warn insufficient testing could be concealing the full extent of the crisis.

However, what they didn’t tell you was how there was something much, much better at cutting COVID-19 infection rates: demanding honest reporting directly to the White House, rather than through the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention!

(Above: in the dark is when dodgy CDC reporting kept us all misinformed; the brighter future extends to the Right.)

As one can see, in just over 1 month, this has brought the peak of infections down by fully a half!

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

…KFC said the slogan “doesn’t feel quite right”.

I think they’ve got their new slogan right there:

‘KFC – Doesn’t Feel Quite Right!’

• The move comes after the chain pulled down one of its advertisements in the UK featuring the catchphrase, which showed people licking their own fingers as well as those of their companions after eating its chicken.

Really? That is disgusting even without taking COVID into consideration…

^^^

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

…KFC said the slogan “doesn’t feel quite right”.

I think they’ve got their new slogan right there:

‘KFC – Doesn’t Feel Quite Right!’

Ha.

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

It’s the default state for Victoria. Give me freedom and give me death.

Can you give me any examples of freedoms that apply in Victoria but not other parts of Australia?

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

If they don’t get it through parliament, your state is in for a world of pain.

Rule 303 said:

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

It’s the default state for Victoria. Give me freedom and give me death.

Can you give me any examples of freedoms that apply in Victoria but not other parts of Australia?

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

If they don’t get it through parliament, your state is in for a world of pain.

I think it would mean bringing in other agencies (Police, for example, or Emergency Management) to use their powers for Health, or perhaps creating a specific piece of legislation for each individual thing? We are also under a declared state of disaster (which gives the emergency management commissioner the authority to declare curfew) but that’s not comparable to ‘emergency’.

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Tamb said:

It’s the default state for Victoria. Give me freedom and give me death.

Can you give me any examples of freedoms that apply in Victoria but not other parts of Australia?

They are asking for freedoms which will result in deaths.

Reading comments suggests that people against lockdowns, masks etc don’t care about the mortality rate. They just don’t want to be told what to do.

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Tamb said:

It’s the default state for Victoria. Give me freedom and give me death.

Can you give me any examples of freedoms that apply in Victoria but not other parts of Australia?

They are asking for freedoms which will result in deaths.

That would seem to be the answer to a different question.

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

Aren’t the minor parties suggesting that they don’t need an extension of 12 months and that smaller blocks of time have been suggested.

I actually agree with that.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

Aren’t the minor parties suggesting that they don’t need an extension of 12 months and that smaller blocks of time have been suggested.

I actually agree with that.

The 12 months is aggregated time limit increase – The extensions are still only made in one month blocks.

SCIENCE said:

Russia Continues Its Impressively Slow, Smooth, And (Almost) Monotonic Decline

SCIENCE said:

In Dramatic And Surprising News

Experts credit masks for US decline in COVID-19 infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-updates:-august-26/12594716

US experts have said mask-wearing has contributed to a 21 per cent fall in new COVID-19 infections in the US this month, but some warn insufficient testing could be concealing the full extent of the crisis.

However, what they didn’t tell you was how there was something much, much better at cutting COVID-19 infection rates: demanding honest reporting directly to the White House, rather than through the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention!

(Above: in the dark is when dodgy CDC reporting kept us all misinformed; the brighter future extends to the Right.)

As one can see, in just over 1 month, this has brought the peak of infections down by fully a half!

Work on number of deaths, it follows infections by only 6 to 12 days. Peak number of deaths in USA for second peak is half that of first peak. Peak number of cases for second peak is twice that of first peak.

mollwollfumble said:

Still no Covid-19 cases detected in Turkmenistan or North Korea.

That hasn’t stopped the wearing of masks being mandatory in North Korea. Unlike China, North Koreans have a big variety in mask designs.

North Korea has received thousands of coronavirus-testing kits from Russia and other countries, and imposed strict border closures. Thousands of people in North Korea were quarantined, in particular one person who illegally crossed in from South Korea back in July.

World roundup. All counties with top daily death rates, the the possible exception of Colombia, are showing signs of having overcome the worst of the disease. That’s a positive.

US is over second peak.

Brazil deaths steady

Mexico deaths declining. I hate these weekly cycles.

India first signs of having reached peak in the death rate. See, no weekly cycle, which means better quality data.

UK has had a second peak in cases but no second peak in deaths. Ditto Italy, France (big second peak in cases),

Spain, big second peak in cases, small second peak in deaths. It seems as if all second peak cases in Europe are a completely different strain to first peak cases. Mexico may the the only major country where the High death rate European strain still survives. What this indicates to me is that coronovirus transmissions between countires may now be dominated by international food.

Peru deaths winding down.

Iran over second peak.

Columbia, um, need another week. Perhaps it’s just started a strong weekly cycle.

Russia is past peak.

South Africa is past peak.

Overall, good news.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

Aren’t the minor parties suggesting that they don’t need an extension of 12 months and that smaller blocks of time have been suggested.

I actually agree with that.

The 12 months is aggregated time limit increase – The extensions are still only made in one month blocks.

Dear rule. It’s not a state of emergency. 24 deaths due to Covid in Victoria is still only 10% of deaths from other causes.

Divine Angel said:

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Can you give me any examples of freedoms that apply in Victoria but not other parts of Australia?

They are asking for freedoms which will result in deaths.

Reading comments suggests that people against lockdowns, masks etc don’t care about the mortality rate. They just don’t want to be told what to do.

Welcome To The World Of Anti-Expertise

mollwollfumble said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Aren’t the minor parties suggesting that they don’t need an extension of 12 months and that smaller blocks of time have been suggested.

I actually agree with that.

The 12 months is aggregated time limit increase – The extensions are still only made in one month blocks.

Dear rule. It’s not a state of emergency. 24 deaths due to Covid in Victoria is still only 10% of deaths from other causes.

The declaration of a State of Emergency is made to give government agencies temporary powers to combat a threat to life or property.

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

Rule 303 said:

The 12 months is aggregated time limit increase – The extensions are still only made in one month blocks.

Dear rule. It’s not a state of emergency. 24 deaths due to Covid in Victoria is still only 10% of deaths from other causes.

The declaration of a State of Emergency is made to give government agencies temporary powers to combat a threat to life or property.

Yep, and can be extended a month at a time, or three months at a time, by a vote of parliament. Andrews is asking for a 12 month extension which I think is over-reach.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

Dear rule. It’s not a state of emergency. 24 deaths due to Covid in Victoria is still only 10% of deaths from other causes.

The declaration of a State of Emergency is made to give government agencies temporary powers to combat a threat to life or property.

Yep, and can be extended a month at a time, or three months at a time, by a vote of parliament. Andrews is asking for a 12 month extension which I think is over-reach.

he’d probably settle for a second term and then another 8 years after that, before passing it onto his children

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

Dear rule. It’s not a state of emergency. 24 deaths due to Covid in Victoria is still only 10% of deaths from other causes.

The declaration of a State of Emergency is made to give government agencies temporary powers to combat a threat to life or property.

Yep, and can be extended a month at a time, or three months at a time, by a vote of parliament. Andrews is asking for a 12 month extension which I think is over-reach.

That’s not my understanding of it, as explained: The government is asking for the option to continue extending by one month at a time, up to a total of 18 months. I would be very interested to see any info you have to the contrary, obviously.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

The declaration of a State of Emergency is made to give government agencies temporary powers to combat a threat to life or property.

Yep, and can be extended a month at a time, or three months at a time, by a vote of parliament. Andrews is asking for a 12 month extension which I think is over-reach.

That’s not my understanding of it, as explained: The government is asking for the option to continue extending by one month at a time, up to a total of 18 months. I would be very interested to see any info you have to the contrary, obviously.

Many crossbenchers have indicated they will support a shorter extension on the proviso that Parliament sits more frequently.

It’s a view shared by many other crossbench MPs, who say they understand the need for the powers but are against the lengthy extension without oversight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-extension-victoria-daniel-andrews/12594714

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Yep, and can be extended a month at a time, or three months at a time, by a vote of parliament. Andrews is asking for a 12 month extension which I think is over-reach.

That’s not my understanding of it, as explained: The government is asking for the option to continue extending by one month at a time, up to a total of 18 months. I would be very interested to see any info you have to the contrary, obviously.

Many crossbenchers have indicated they will support a shorter extension on the proviso that Parliament sits more frequently.

“I really don’t think that we’ve passed this virus in any sense when we’ve got daily figures still over 100, still got dozens of people dying every day,” Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party MP Stuart Grimley told the ABC.

“And for it to end in September I just think is just too soon. So, if we’re looking at a time period, anything between one to three months, I think is reasonable.”

It’s a view shared by many other crossbench MPs, who say they understand the need for the powers but are against the lengthy extension without oversight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-extension-victoria-daniel-andrews/12594714

One of the problems of short extensions with parliamentary oversight is that parliament has to sit and parliamentarians have to vote in person. If things really turn to shit, that may not be possible.

And they can’t vote remotely.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

That’s not my understanding of it, as explained: The government is asking for the option to continue extending by one month at a time, up to a total of 18 months. I would be very interested to see any info you have to the contrary, obviously.

Many crossbenchers have indicated they will support a shorter extension on the proviso that Parliament sits more frequently.

“I really don’t think that we’ve passed this virus in any sense when we’ve got daily figures still over 100, still got dozens of people dying every day,” Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party MP Stuart Grimley told the ABC.

“And for it to end in September I just think is just too soon. So, if we’re looking at a time period, anything between one to three months, I think is reasonable.”

It’s a view shared by many other crossbench MPs, who say they understand the need for the powers but are against the lengthy extension without oversight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-extension-victoria-daniel-andrews/12594714

One of the problems of short extensions with parliamentary oversight is that parliament has to sit and parliamentarians have to vote in person. If things really turn to shit, that may not be possible.

And they can’t vote remotely.

I really don’t think that parliament having to sit every 3 months is that big a deal.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Many crossbenchers have indicated they will support a shorter extension on the proviso that Parliament sits more frequently.

“I really don’t think that we’ve passed this virus in any sense when we’ve got daily figures still over 100, still got dozens of people dying every day,” Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party MP Stuart Grimley told the ABC.

“And for it to end in September I just think is just too soon. So, if we’re looking at a time period, anything between one to three months, I think is reasonable.”

It’s a view shared by many other crossbench MPs, who say they understand the need for the powers but are against the lengthy extension without oversight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-extension-victoria-daniel-andrews/12594714

One of the problems of short extensions with parliamentary oversight is that parliament has to sit and parliamentarians have to vote in person. If things really turn to shit, that may not be possible.

And they can’t vote remotely.

I really don’t think that parliament having to sit every 3 months is that big a deal.

Unless things go really pear-shaped. Like say, New York type pear-shaped.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Yep, and can be extended a month at a time, or three months at a time, by a vote of parliament. Andrews is asking for a 12 month extension which I think is over-reach.

That’s not my understanding of it, as explained: The government is asking for the option to continue extending by one month at a time, up to a total of 18 months. I would be very interested to see any info you have to the contrary, obviously.

Many crossbenchers have indicated they will support a shorter extension on the proviso that Parliament sits more frequently.

“I really don’t think that we’ve passed this virus in any sense when we’ve got daily figures still over 100, still got dozens of people dying every day,” Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party MP Stuart Grimley told the ABC.

“And for it to end in September I just think is just too soon. So, if we’re looking at a time period, anything between one to three months, I think is reasonable.”

It’s a view shared by many other crossbench MPs, who say they understand the need for the powers but are against the lengthy extension without oversight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-extension-victoria-daniel-andrews/12594714

This is the relevant section of the act:

7)A declaration under this section—
(a)must specify the emergency area in which the state of emergency exists being throughout Victoria or in specified areas of Victoria;
(b)continues in force for the periodnot exceeding 4 weeks specified in the declaration;
©may be extended by another declaration for further periods not exceeding 4 weeks but the total period that the declaration continues in force cannot exceed 6 months.

The minister for Health is asking for the total period of six months be extended to 18 months.

That make sense?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

That’s not my understanding of it, as explained: The government is asking for the option to continue extending by one month at a time, up to a total of 18 months. I would be very interested to see any info you have to the contrary, obviously.

Many crossbenchers have indicated they will support a shorter extension on the proviso that Parliament sits more frequently.

“I really don’t think that we’ve passed this virus in any sense when we’ve got daily figures still over 100, still got dozens of people dying every day,” Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party MP Stuart Grimley told the ABC.

“And for it to end in September I just think is just too soon. So, if we’re looking at a time period, anything between one to three months, I think is reasonable.”

It’s a view shared by many other crossbench MPs, who say they understand the need for the powers but are against the lengthy extension without oversight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-extension-victoria-daniel-andrews/12594714

This is the relevant section of the act:

7)A declaration under this section—
(a)must specify the emergency area in which the state of emergency exists being throughout Victoria or in specified areas of Victoria;
(b)continues in force for the periodnot exceeding 4 weeks specified in the declaration;
©may be extended by another declaration for further periods not exceeding 4 weeks but the total period that the declaration continues in force cannot exceed 6 months.

The minister for Health is asking for the total period of six months be extended to 18 months.

That make sense?

Yes, they are asking for a 12 month extension of the powers where they can declare the emergency measures are being extended in a 4 week block. This gives them a 12 month window where they can do the 4 weeks, 4 weeks, 4 weeks, without any oversight. I think that’s too long as do quite a few others.

My local doctors surgery has switched back to phone appointments only which is unusual

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Many crossbenchers have indicated they will support a shorter extension on the proviso that Parliament sits more frequently.

“I really don’t think that we’ve passed this virus in any sense when we’ve got daily figures still over 100, still got dozens of people dying every day,” Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party MP Stuart Grimley told the ABC.

“And for it to end in September I just think is just too soon. So, if we’re looking at a time period, anything between one to three months, I think is reasonable.”

It’s a view shared by many other crossbench MPs, who say they understand the need for the powers but are against the lengthy extension without oversight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-extension-victoria-daniel-andrews/12594714

This is the relevant section of the act:

7)A declaration under this section—
(a)must specify the emergency area in which the state of emergency exists being throughout Victoria or in specified areas of Victoria;
(b)continues in force for the periodnot exceeding 4 weeks specified in the declaration;
©may be extended by another declaration for further periods not exceeding 4 weeks but the total period that the declaration continues in force cannot exceed 6 months.

The minister for Health is asking for the total period of six months be extended to 18 months.

That make sense?

Yes, they are asking for a 12 month extension of the powers where they can declare the emergency measures are being extended in a 4 week block. This gives them a 12 month window where they can do the 4 weeks, 4 weeks, 4 weeks, without any oversight. I think that’s too long as do quite a few others.

How are you (or the quite a few others) deciding that?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

This is the relevant section of the act:

7)A declaration under this section—
(a)must specify the emergency area in which the state of emergency exists being throughout Victoria or in specified areas of Victoria;
(b)continues in force for the periodnot exceeding 4 weeks specified in the declaration;
©may be extended by another declaration for further periods not exceeding 4 weeks but the total period that the declaration continues in force cannot exceed 6 months.

The minister for Health is asking for the total period of six months be extended to 18 months.

That make sense?

Yes, they are asking for a 12 month extension of the powers where they can declare the emergency measures are being extended in a 4 week block. This gives them a 12 month window where they can do the 4 weeks, 4 weeks, 4 weeks, without any oversight. I think that’s too long as do quite a few others.

How are you (or the quite a few others) deciding that?

Because that’s what they are asking for. They are asking for section c to go from 6 months to 18 months, thereby extending the current powers by an additional 12 months.

Cymek said:

My local doctors surgery has switched back to phone appointments only which is unusual

Getting ready for the borders to open…

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Yes, they are asking for a 12 month extension of the powers where they can declare the emergency measures are being extended in a 4 week block. This gives them a 12 month window where they can do the 4 weeks, 4 weeks, 4 weeks, without any oversight. I think that’s too long as do quite a few others.

How are you (or the quite a few others) deciding that?

Because that’s what they are asking for. They are asking for section c to go from 6 months to 18 months, thereby extending the current powers by an additional 12 months.

Ugh…

I mean how have you (and quite a few others) decided that’s too long?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

How are you (or the quite a few others) deciding that?

Because that’s what they are asking for. They are asking for section c to go from 6 months to 18 months, thereby extending the current powers by an additional 12 months.

Ugh…

I mean how have you (and quite a few others) decided that’s too long?

I’m saying it’s over-reach. He doesn’t need 12 months and if he does he can ask for it in smaller blocks.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Because that’s what they are asking for. They are asking for section c to go from 6 months to 18 months, thereby extending the current powers by an additional 12 months.

Ugh…

I mean how have you (and quite a few others) decided that’s too long?

I’m saying it’s over-reach. He doesn’t need 12 months and if he does he can ask for it in smaller blocks.

Why?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Ugh…

I mean how have you (and quite a few others) decided that’s too long?

I’m saying it’s over-reach. He doesn’t need 12 months and if he does he can ask for it in smaller blocks.

Why?

Because I don’t like giving a government, any government, too much power.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I’m saying it’s over-reach. He doesn’t need 12 months and if he does he can ask for it in smaller blocks.

Why?

Because I don’t like giving a government, any government, too much power.

Do you agree that the Chief Health Officer should have the legal authority to apply the restrictions that are in place now?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Why?

Because I don’t like giving a government, any government, too much power.

Do you agree that the Chief Health Officer should have the legal authority to apply the restrictions that are in place now?

Yep, not an issue.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Because I don’t like giving a government, any government, too much power.

Do you agree that the Chief Health Officer should have the legal authority to apply the restrictions that are in place now?

Yep, not an issue.

Do you also agree that authority should continue for as long as necessary to combat the broad-scale threat to life from Covid-19?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Do you agree that the Chief Health Officer should have the legal authority to apply the restrictions that are in place now?

Yep, not an issue.

Do you also agree that authority should continue for as long as necessary to combat the broad-scale threat to life from Covid-19?

And therein lies the issue. That statement is so broad as to allow the states of emergency to continue indefinitely. That’s why I think the power should be limited to smaller time limits.

This is why we have a democracy. People can have different ideas and we have a vote on them. Looks like Andrews is going to lose this one.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Yep, not an issue.

Do you also agree that authority should continue for as long as necessary to combat the broad-scale threat to life from Covid-19?

And therein lies the issue. That statement is so broad as to allow the states of emergency to continue indefinitely. That’s why I think the power should be limited to smaller time limits.

This is why we have a democracy. People can have different ideas and we have a vote on them. Looks like Andrews is going to lose this one.

Are you harbouring suspicions that the Andrews government would extend the State of Emergency inappropriately? Would willingly cause huge social disruption, destroy thousands of businesses, trash its own economy, and cause enormous personal hardship by following the advice of public health experts, for its own political advantage?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Do you also agree that authority should continue for as long as necessary to combat the broad-scale threat to life from Covid-19?

And therein lies the issue. That statement is so broad as to allow the states of emergency to continue indefinitely. That’s why I think the power should be limited to smaller time limits.

This is why we have a democracy. People can have different ideas and we have a vote on them. Looks like Andrews is going to lose this one.

Are you harbouring suspicions that the Andrews government would extend the State of Emergency inappropriately? Would willingly cause huge social disruption, destroy thousands of businesses, trash its own economy, and cause enormous personal hardship by following the advice of public health experts, for its own political advantage?

No, but I have no idea what the next government, or the one after that is going to be like. Would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Jeff Kennett?

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

And therein lies the issue. That statement is so broad as to allow the states of emergency to continue indefinitely. That’s why I think the power should be limited to smaller time limits.

This is why we have a democracy. People can have different ideas and we have a vote on them. Looks like Andrews is going to lose this one.

Are you harbouring suspicions that the Andrews government would extend the State of Emergency inappropriately? Would willingly cause huge social disruption, destroy thousands of businesses, trash its own economy, and cause enormous personal hardship by following the advice of public health experts, for its own political advantage?

No, but I have no idea what the next government, or the one after that is going to be like. Would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Jeff Kennett?

Do you think Mr. Kennett could use the State of Emergency for political advantage? What are you imagining he could do?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Are you harbouring suspicions that the Andrews government would extend the State of Emergency inappropriately? Would willingly cause huge social disruption, destroy thousands of businesses, trash its own economy, and cause enormous personal hardship by following the advice of public health experts, for its own political advantage?

No, but I have no idea what the next government, or the one after that is going to be like. Would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Jeff Kennett?

Do you think Mr. Kennett could use the State of Emergency for political advantage? What are you imagining he could do?

Rule, you obviously have a far more optimistic view of our political process than I do. I don’t. Different worldviews, vive la difference.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Are you harbouring suspicions that the Andrews government would extend the State of Emergency inappropriately? Would willingly cause huge social disruption, destroy thousands of businesses, trash its own economy, and cause enormous personal hardship by following the advice of public health experts, for its own political advantage?

No, but I have no idea what the next government, or the one after that is going to be like. Would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Jeff Kennett?

Do you think Mr. Kennett could use the State of Emergency for political advantage? What are you imagining he could do?

Actually, Kennett was just off the cuff and an example. I have no idea what future governments are going to be like, but for an example in our lifetimes and in Australia, would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Joh Bjelke-Petersen?

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

No, but I have no idea what the next government, or the one after that is going to be like. Would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Jeff Kennett?

Do you think Mr. Kennett could use the State of Emergency for political advantage? What are you imagining he could do?

Rule, you obviously have a far more optimistic view of our political process than I do. I don’t. Different worldviews, vive la difference.

I’m just as cynical as the next armchair casual observer – Your suspicions make me curious, is all. I’ve read the relevant part of the Act. I’ve operated under State of Emergency arrangements many times, in hundreds of contexts, and it’s never occurred to me that it could be misused.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

No, but I have no idea what the next government, or the one after that is going to be like. Would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Jeff Kennett?

Do you think Mr. Kennett could use the State of Emergency for political advantage? What are you imagining he could do?

Actually, Kennett was just off the cuff and an example. I have no idea what future governments are going to be like, but for an example in our lifetimes and in Australia, would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Joh Bjelke-Petersen?

LOL. What stopped you suggesting Trump?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Do you think Mr. Kennett could use the State of Emergency for political advantage? What are you imagining he could do?

Actually, Kennett was just off the cuff and an example. I have no idea what future governments are going to be like, but for an example in our lifetimes and in Australia, would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Joh Bjelke-Petersen?

LOL. What stopped you suggesting Trump?

You haven’t answered the question.

An Australian in our lifetime is a pretty good example. So, would you be OK if it was Joh with these extended powers?

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Actually, Kennett was just off the cuff and an example. I have no idea what future governments are going to be like, but for an example in our lifetimes and in Australia, would you be so sanguine if the current premier was Joh Bjelke-Petersen?

LOL. What stopped you suggesting Trump?

You haven’t answered the question.

An Australian in our lifetime is a pretty good example. So, would you be OK if it was Joh with these extended powers?

Joh has a long history of proven corruption, autocracy, gerrymander, and mendacious dirtbaggery. I would object to anything he did. Your suggestion that 12 months is too long still seems arbitrary.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Here in Vic, our state government needs to declare a state of emergency to make special temporary laws about stuff. It gives authorities powers to do things like block roads, make people wear masks, limit movement in the community and so on. All states & territories probably have similar arrangements.

The government makes the declaration one month at a time, and under current legislation, can renew it five times (giving six months total). The six months ends on September 13th. They’ve created a Bill asking for an extension up to 18 months (12 more than now) and people are starting petitions against it – And worse, it looks like it might not get through parliament.

FFS. >:-(

Aren’t the minor parties suggesting that they don’t need an extension of 12 months and that smaller blocks of time have been suggested.

I actually agree with that.

The 12 months is aggregated time limit increase – The extensions are still only made in one month blocks.

Ambit claim…probably could get 3 or 6 months through and the Opposition would think they have won something. (Thanks, Fiona Patten)

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/25/905992043/university-of-alabama-reports-more-than-560-new-covid-19-cases-in-first-week

That seems to be working out well for them.

FTR (and unless my informant is incorrect) no other state or territory has applied an arbitrary time limit to their State of Emergency legislation.

Make of that what ye will.

dv said:

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Clive Palmer has announced yet another lawsuit against the West Australian Government, prompting the Premier to seek legal advice about having Mr Palmer declared a vexatious litigant.

please

SCIENCE said:

Clive Palmer has announced yet another lawsuit against the West Australian Government, prompting the Premier to seek legal advice about having Mr Palmer declared a vexatious litigant.

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please note for context we refer to this

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Clive Palmer has announced yet another lawsuit against the West Australian Government, prompting the Premier to seek legal advice about having Mr Palmer declared a vexatious litigant.

please

please note for context we refer to this

and the link, sorry we got excited over BILLIONS OF DOLLARS here

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/clive-palmer-suing-mark-mcgowan-john-quigley-in-new-legal-action/12596538

Goodnight.

buffy said:

Goodnight.

Whoops.

(CNN)One superspreading event may be connected to about 20,000 Covid-19 cases in the Boston area, a researcher said on Tuesday.

That event, a biotech conference attended by 200 people in late February, is now well known as a source of Covid-19 spread very early on in the pandemic.

“Ultimately, more than 90 cases were diagnosed in people associated with this conference or their contacts, raising suspicion that a superspreading event had occurred there,” the researchers wrote in their study.

___https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/25/health/covid-19-superspreading-boston-study/index.html
ironic

dv said:

(CNN)One superspreading event may be connected to about 20,000 Covid-19 cases in the Boston area, a researcher said on Tuesday.

That event, a biotech conference attended by 200 people in late February, is now well known as a source of Covid-19 spread very early on in the pandemic.

“Ultimately, more than 90 cases were diagnosed in people associated with this conference or their contacts, raising suspicion that a superspreading event had occurred there,” the researchers wrote in their study.

___
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/25/health/covid-19-superspreading-boston-study/index.html
ironic

how else do you get the experimental subjects you need for your research

Coronavirus outbreak
Saving lives or UK economy from Covid a ‘false choice’, MPs warn
Study finds UK has one of highest excess death rates with worst projected hit to economy

Kate Proctor
Wed 26 Aug 2020

Saving lives or the economy in the coronavirus pandemic is a “false choice”, MPs have warned as a study confirms the UK to have one of the highest excess death rates combined with the worst projected hit to the economy.

Data analysed by the Guardian shows the UK has effectively endured the worst of both worlds, with 610 excess deaths per million while GDP is set to fall by 11.5% this year. This places it narrowly ahead of Italy and Spain, which also have high excess death figures and devastating economic forecasts.

Read more:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/26/saving-lives-or-uk-economy-from-covid-a-false-choice-mps-warn

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/national/victoria/premier-daniel-andrews-plan-for-12-month-extension-to-state-of-emergency-in-doubt-as-critics-say-its-undemocratic/news-story/3deaa9d0f41b1e25b47fa59638af92de

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/national/victoria/premier-daniel-andrews-plan-for-12-month-extension-to-state-of-emergency-in-doubt-as-critics-say-its-undemocratic/news-story/3deaa9d0f41b1e25b47fa59638af92de

LOL. Dan Tehan think it takes away ‘Liberties’.

In other news, Pete Evans think it takes away Tofu, Malcolm Roberts thinks it takes away perpetual motion, and Zarkov thinks they’re all coming for his water-powered Land Rover.

Rule 303 said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/national/victoria/premier-daniel-andrews-plan-for-12-month-extension-to-state-of-emergency-in-doubt-as-critics-say-its-undemocratic/news-story/3deaa9d0f41b1e25b47fa59638af92de

LOL. Dan Tehan think it takes away ‘Liberties’.

In other news, Pete Evans think it takes away Tofu, Malcolm Roberts thinks it takes away perpetual motion, and Zarkov thinks they’re all coming for his water-powered Land Rover.

Those words hurt me

Victorian State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared to the same time last year.

No increase to Victorian suicide rate during COVID-19 pandemic article from The Age newspaper.

Zarkov said:

Rule 303 said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/national/victoria/premier-daniel-andrews-plan-for-12-month-extension-to-state-of-emergency-in-doubt-as-critics-say-its-undemocratic/news-story/3deaa9d0f41b1e25b47fa59638af92de

LOL. Dan Tehan think it takes away ‘Liberties’.

In other news, Pete Evans think it takes away Tofu, Malcolm Roberts thinks it takes away perpetual motion, and Zarkov thinks they’re all coming for his water-powered Land Rover.

Those words hurt me

Good.

Zarkov said:

Rule 303 said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/national/victoria/premier-daniel-andrews-plan-for-12-month-extension-to-state-of-emergency-in-doubt-as-critics-say-its-undemocratic/news-story/3deaa9d0f41b1e25b47fa59638af92de

LOL. Dan Tehan think it takes away ‘Liberties’.

In other news, Pete Evans think it takes away Tofu, Malcolm Roberts thinks it takes away perpetual motion, and Zarkov thinks they’re all coming for his water-powered Land Rover.

Those words hurt me

I doubt a paleolith like PE would touch tofu

dv said:

Zarkov said:

Rule 303 said:

LOL. Dan Tehan think it takes away ‘Liberties’.

In other news, Pete Evans think it takes away Tofu, Malcolm Roberts thinks it takes away perpetual motion, and Zarkov thinks they’re all coming for his water-powered Land Rover.

Those words hurt me

I doubt a paleolith like PE would touch tofu

Pffft. Fuck him. And the Toyota Pious he drove here.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Coronavirus outbreak
Saving lives or UK economy from Covid a ‘false choice’, MPs warn
Study finds UK has one of highest excess death rates with worst projected hit to economy

Kate Proctor
Wed 26 Aug 2020

Saving lives or the economy in the coronavirus pandemic is a “false choice”, MPs have warned as a study confirms the UK to have one of the highest excess death rates combined with the worst projected hit to the economy.

Data analysed by the Guardian shows the UK has effectively endured the worst of both worlds, with 610 excess deaths per million while GDP is set to fall by 11.5% this year. This places it narrowly ahead of Italy and Spain, which also have high excess death figures and devastating economic forecasts.

Read more:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/26/saving-lives-or-uk-economy-from-covid-a-false-choice-mps-warn

¡ well at least they’ve gone all scientific about it, and taken up a position based on local evidence !

Rule 303 said:

Victorian State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared to the same time last year.

No increase to Victorian suicide rate during COVID-19 pandemic article from The Age newspaper.

Couldn’t go to the hardware to buy rope?

Tamb said:

Rule 303 said:

Victorian State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared to the same time last year.

No increase to Victorian suicide rate during COVID-19 pandemic article from The Age newspaper.

Couldn’t go to the hardware to buy rope?

learned to live with low O2 and high CO2 levels because you know masks

Rule 303 said:

Victorian State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared to the same time last year.

No increase to Victorian suicide rate during COVID-19 pandemic article from The Age newspaper.

But how does it compare to a long term average? Like…there are fewer notified lab tested cases of ‘flu this year than last year. But last year was a doozy. So you look longer term and find that actually the numbers are down. (I probably should read the link)

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Victorian State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared to the same time last year.

No increase to Victorian suicide rate during COVID-19 pandemic article from The Age newspaper.

But how does it compare to a long term average? Like…there are fewer notified lab tested cases of ‘flu this year than last year. But last year was a doozy. So you look longer term and find that actually the numbers are down. (I probably should read the link)

The article looks at the last four years.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Victorian State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared to the same time last year.

No increase to Victorian suicide rate during COVID-19 pandemic article from The Age newspaper.

But how does it compare to a long term average? Like…there are fewer notified lab tested cases of ‘flu this year than last year. But last year was a doozy. So you look longer term and find that actually the numbers are down. (I probably should read the link)

The article looks at the last four years.

Oops, no it doesn’t. I looked at the last four years by checking the ABS stats.

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

But how does it compare to a long term average? Like…there are fewer notified lab tested cases of ‘flu this year than last year. But last year was a doozy. So you look longer term and find that actually the numbers are down. (I probably should read the link)

The article looks at the last four years.

Oops, no it doesn’t. I looked at the last four years by checking the ABS stats.

Nah, it did mention 2016, I think. I did go and look at it.

Why does the coronavirus hit men harder? A new clue emerges

By Apoorva Mandavilli
August 27, 2020 — 2.52am

The coronavirus may infect anyone, young or old, but older men are up to twice as likely to become severely sick and to die as women of the same age.

Why? The first study to look at immune response by sex has turned up a clue: Men produce a weaker immune response to the virus than do women, the researchers concluded.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/why-does-the-coronavirus-hit-men-harder-a-new-clue-emerges-20200827-p55pp1.html

I wonder who decided that the coronavirus was meant to be depicted as red?

dv said:

I wonder who decided that the coronavirus was meant to be depicted as red?

It’s a Chinese virus.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

I wonder who decided that the coronavirus was meant to be depicted as red?

It’s a Chinese virus.

Nice one Centurion

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

I wonder who decided that the coronavirus was meant to be depicted as red?

It’s a Chinese virus.

The beast is red.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

I wonder who decided that the coronavirus was meant to be depicted as red?

It’s a Chinese virus.

LOL

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why does the coronavirus hit men harder? A new clue emerges

By Apoorva Mandavilli
August 27, 2020 — 2.52am

The coronavirus may infect anyone, young or old, but older men are up to twice as likely to become severely sick and to die as women of the same age.

Why? The first study to look at immune response by sex has turned up a clue: Men produce a weaker immune response to the virus than do women, the researchers concluded.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/why-does-the-coronavirus-hit-men-harder-a-new-clue-emerges-20200827-p55pp1.html

Pfft…you’ve only got to look at manflu….

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why does the coronavirus hit men harder? A new clue emerges

By Apoorva Mandavilli
August 27, 2020 — 2.52am

The coronavirus may infect anyone, young or old, but older men are up to twice as likely to become severely sick and to die as women of the same age.

Why? The first study to look at immune response by sex has turned up a clue: Men produce a weaker immune response to the virus than do women, the researchers concluded.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/why-does-the-coronavirus-hit-men-harder-a-new-clue-emerges-20200827-p55pp1.html

Pfft…you’ve only got to look at manflu….

and then there were the arguments that worse symptoms of disease are actually the result an overactive immune system

Altruism In The Labor Stronghold

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-27/coronavirus-covid-19-test-victoria-queensland-nsw-why-not/12601334?nw=0

Many people said they knew their body well enough that they didn’t need to get tested

Others, for one reason or another, didn’t have access to testing

One person put off their test because of bad weather

A lot of people gave work-related reasons

One person hated getting a test the first time around

Another was scared of being infected at a testing clinic

And one person hesitated over the the possible stigma they would face if they did test positive

dv said:

But bleach is good for sore throats.

The USA situation. I don’t know why I didn’t think of this before. The two graphs below are consistent with, and only consistent with, two completely different viruses. One for the first peak and one for the second peak. It would be a very interesting to find out when and where the first case of the second virus occurred in the USA. We’re talking about the first case of the second virus in the USA at round about 1st June, perhaps a bit earlier, give or take a week. I should be able to pin it down better than that.

Deaths

Cases

mollwollfumble said:

The USA situation. I don’t know why I didn’t think of this before. The two graphs below are consistent with, and only consistent with, two completely different viruses. One for the first peak and one for the second peak. It would be a very interesting to find out when and where the first case of the second virus occurred in the USA. We’re talking about the first case of the second virus in the USA at round about 1st June, perhaps a bit earlier, give or take a week. I should be able to pin it down better than that.

Deaths

Cases

> round about 1st June, perhaps a bit earlier, give or take a week.

Yah. First case of second virus about a week earlier, near 24th May, with deaths from the second virus starting up near 1st June. Give or take a week. I still should be able to reduce the error bars a bit on that. The lousy quality statistics from the US with that weekly cycle doesn’t help with accuracy.

SCIENCE said:

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And Now For Something Somewhat More Plausible

Scientists at Fujita Health University said they had proven that ozone gas in concentrations of 0.05 to 0.1 parts per million, levels considered harmless to humans, could kill the virus.

The experiment used an ozone generator in a sealed chamber with a sample of coronavirus.

The potency of the virus declined by more than 90 per cent when subjected to low level ozone for 10 hours they said.

A recent study at the Georgia Institute of Technology also showed that ozone may be effective in disinfecting gowns, goggles and other medical protective equipment.

Goes well with this article.

https://time.com/5883081/covid-19-transmitted-aerosols/

Its original title is “COVID-19 Is Transmitted Through Aerosols. We Have Enough Evidence, Now It Is Time to Act” which does kind of illuminate a problem we’ve had throughout the pandemic, all along, right from the start. There is an implication (whether intended or otherwise) of “waiting for something that qualifies as evidence, and acting only when satisfied with the qualification”. This whole idea of “wait and see before making a move” in a fast-moving life-threatening evolving pandemic, nice.

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

SCIENCE will love this.

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

The greatest case against that idea is the fact the Pauline supports it…

furious said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

The greatest case against that idea is the fact the Pauline supports it…

Tamb said:

furious said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

The greatest case against that idea is the fact the Pauline supports it…

Not defending her Furious but that is not a science based conclusion.

Just like her’s then…

furious said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

The greatest case against that idea is the fact the Pauline supports it…

LOLOL

furious said:

Tamb said:

furious said:

The greatest case against that idea is the fact the Pauline supports it…

Not defending her Furious but that is not a science based conclusion.

Just like her’s then…

Tamb said:

furious said:

Tamb said:

Not defending her Furious but that is not a science based conclusion.

Just like her’s then…

Sweden & Switzerland are normally pretty level headed. They must have had some, in their minds, good reason for their actions.

I wasn’t talking about what they did, I was talking about her support of those actions. If she is ever right, it is by accident and not based on any scientific reasoning…

furious said:

Tamb said:

furious said:

Just like her’s then…

Sweden & Switzerland are normally pretty level headed. They must have had some, in their minds, good reason for their actions.

I wasn’t talking about what they did, I was talking about her support of those actions. If she is ever right, it is by accident and not based on any scientific reasoning…

furious said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

The greatest case against that idea is the fact the Pauline supports it…

Pauline has some great ideas, I like her

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/513661-florida-confirmed-9000-new-covid-19-cases-among-children-within-15-days

Good to see it is only old people who have to worry…

Reviewing Worldometer I see:

USA past 6 million cases.
Brazil has finally caught up with USA in deaths/million
Both seem to be flattening out in new case numbers, after a slight decline
India has a new high in new cases at over 70,000.

Still a long way to go it seems.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

SCIENCE will love this.

will we

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

SCIENCE will love this.

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

So Andrews wants 12 more months to bring the local part of a pandemic under control; Morrison wants veto power over states to bring them into line; figured it was only a matter of time.

https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-governments-plan-for-a-veto-over-university-agreements-is-a-step-too-far-145200

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

SCIENCE will love this.

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

And Sweden and Taiwan have adopted radically different approachs to containing the virus.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE will love this.

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

And Sweden and Taiwan have adopted radically different approachs to containing the virus.

didn’t they both just hope people would shoulder their own responsibility

and presumably we all mean Mainland Taiwan and not West Taiwan is that correct

Business Groups And Economists Diverge Like Case And Death Data

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/economists-urge-caution-border-reopening-coronavirus/12604796

But We Thought Mining Was The Big Thing Here In Australia So Who Cares About Opening The Borders For Anyone Else Anyway

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

And Sweden and Taiwan have adopted radically different approachs to containing the virus.

didn’t they both just hope people would shoulder their own responsibility

and presumably we all mean Mainland Taiwan and not West Taiwan is that correct

When Pauline speaks, only Pauline and God know what she really meant.

A few hours later, only God knows.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

And Sweden and Taiwan have adopted radically different approachs to containing the virus.

didn’t they both just hope people would shoulder their own responsibility

and presumably we all mean Mainland Taiwan and not West Taiwan is that correct

Hang on?

Which one is “West” and which one is “Mainland”?

Isn’t the mainland to the West of the island one?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

And Sweden and Taiwan have adopted radically different approachs to containing the virus.

didn’t they both just hope people would shoulder their own responsibility

and presumably we all mean Mainland Taiwan and not West Taiwan is that correct

Hang on?

Which one is “West” and which one is “Mainland”?

Isn’t the mainland to the West of the island one?

SCIENCE likes to refer to China as West Taiwan…

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

didn’t they both just hope people would shoulder their own responsibility

and presumably we all mean Mainland Taiwan and not West Taiwan is that correct

Hang on?

Which one is “West” and which one is “Mainland”?

Isn’t the mainland to the West of the island one?

SCIENCE likes to refer to China as West Taiwan…

That’s what I thought, but that makes W Taiwan and Mainland Taiwan the same thing, doesn’t it?

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Hang on?

Which one is “West” and which one is “Mainland”?

Isn’t the mainland to the West of the island one?

SCIENCE likes to refer to China as West Taiwan…

That’s what I thought, but that makes W Taiwan and Mainland Taiwan the same thing, doesn’t it?

I assume, in SCIENCE logic, that Taiwan (proper) is the Mainland…

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Pauline Hanson says we should follow the COVID-19 approach of Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan. Here’s why that’s problematic:”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronacheck-pauline-hanson-sweden-switzerland-taiwan-lockdowns/12601748

SCIENCE will love this.

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

Yes. it is strange for RWNJs to be advocating Sweden as a model for anything, they usually consider Sweden as one small step away from communism.

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE will love this.

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

Yes. it is strange for RWNJs to be advocating Sweden as a model for anything, they usually consider Sweden as one small step away from communism.

And they let in all them muslims…

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

SCIENCE likes to refer to China as West Taiwan…

That’s what I thought, but that makes W Taiwan and Mainland Taiwan the same thing, doesn’t it?

I assume, in SCIENCE logic, that Taiwan (proper) is the Mainland…

^^^

our apologies for deferred clarification

furious said:

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

Yes. it is strange for RWNJs to be advocating Sweden as a model for anything, they usually consider Sweden as one small step away from communism.

And they let in all them muslims…

like the border issues, usually it’s all “stop the boats, drown the babies, send them all to Christmas Island” but then suddenly when the states are doing what states do and protecting their citizens with good and hard border restrictions it’s “you must reopen now there’s money to be made and Economy Must Be Grown let it rip” they’re all fucked

Pauline: “It’s my job to play the bad guy, and the good guys are saying that Sweden are the bad guys of Covid, so I say we should follow their example.”

Bubblecar said:

Pauline: “It’s my job to play the bad guy, and the good guys are saying that Sweden are the bad guys of Covid, so I say we should follow their example.”

It is not her job. Her job is to think for herself and come up with solutions to problems using reason and evidence.

furious said:

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Even for Pauline, Sweden seems to be a strange country to choose as an example. They have more deaths/head than USA or Brazil.

Yes. it is strange for RWNJs to be advocating Sweden as a model for anything, they usually consider Sweden as one small step away from communism.

And they let in all them muslims…

Bar them, then they’d be muslim bars

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

Yes. it is strange for RWNJs to be advocating Sweden as a model for anything, they usually consider Sweden as one small step away from communism.

And they let in all them muslims…

like the border issues, usually it’s all “stop the boats, drown the babies, send them all to Christmas Island” but then suddenly when the states are doing what states do and protecting their citizens with good and hard border restrictions it’s “you must reopen now there’s money to be made and Economy Must Be Grown let it rip” they’re all fucked

To be fair big business are fans of open borders and the consequent cheap labour.

(from comments somewhere)

Let’s do some math. Florida runs at 5000 new cases per day. Assuming that people are contagious for 7 days and that we only “catch” 20% of cases with testing, there are at any point in time 5000 × 7 × 5 = 175,000 people in Florida contagious. That is roughly one out of 125 people (with a population of 22M).

So, with a school of 1000 students and teachers, you can expect 8 persons to be contagious. Hopefully some of these 8 will stay home, but as some people are asymptomatic, there will likely be a few that still are at school.

Once Florida gets to fewer than 500 new cases per day, you have a chance of keeping schools open. Not before you get to this point.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Pauline: “It’s my job to play the bad guy, and the good guys are saying that Sweden are the bad guys of Covid, so I say we should follow their example.”

It is not her job. Her job is to think for herself and come up with solutions to problems using reason and evidence.

Bwahahahaha

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Pauline: “It’s my job to play the bad guy, and the good guys are saying that Sweden are the bad guys of Covid, so I say we should follow their example.”

It is not her job. Her job is to think for herself and come up with solutions to problems using reason and evidence.

Bwahahahaha

Thats a Klingon isn’t it

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Pauline: “It’s my job to play the bad guy, and the good guys are saying that Sweden are the bad guys of Covid, so I say we should follow their example.”

It is not her job. Her job is to think for herself and come up with solutions to problems using reason and evidence.

Bwahahahaha

that was fucking terrifying…

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

It is not her job. Her job is to think for herself and come up with solutions to problems using reason and evidence.

Bwahahahaha

Thats a Klingon isn’t it

Looks more like a sontaran…

furious said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Bwahahahaha

Thats a Klingon isn’t it

Looks more like a sontaran…

I was thinking she has forehead ridges, but either species its not a good look

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Pauline: “It’s my job to play the bad guy, and the good guys are saying that Sweden are the bad guys of Covid, so I say we should follow their example.”

It is not her job. Her job is to think for herself and come up with solutions to problems using reason and evidence.

There’s a role for contrarianism but it shouldn’t be your whole personality.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Pauline: “It’s my job to play the bad guy, and the good guys are saying that Sweden are the bad guys of Covid, so I say we should follow their example.”

It is not her job. Her job is to think for herself and come up with solutions to problems using reason and evidence.

I wouldn’t inflate the importance of the lady’s views, i’m sure her modest intellectual abilities didn’t intend to be taken more seriously than they maybe ought be

https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743×(20)30505-X/abstract?fbclid=IwAR0T8uidPD_CNIebmihg1KCz9p_Ug4B6uh8THL9VpDnGyVFBRqn1sm50pfI

Abstract

Background

Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without azithromycin have been widely promoted to treat COVID-19 following early in vitro antiviral effects against SARS-CoV-2
Objective

The aim of this systematic review and meta-analysis was to assess whether chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin decreased COVID-19 mortality compared to the standard of care.
Data sources

Pubmed, Web of Science, Embase Cochrane Library, Google Scholar and MedRxiv were searched until 25 July 2020.
Study eligibility criteria

We included published and unpublished studies comparing the mortality rate between patients treated with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin and patients managed with standard of care.
Participants

Patients ≥18 years old with confirmed COVID-19.
Interventions

Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin.
Methods

Effect sizes were pooled using a random-effects model. Multiple subgroup analyses were conducted to assess the drug safety.
Results

The initial search yielded 839 articles, of which 29 articles met our inclusion criteria. All studies except one were conducted on hospitalized patients and evaluated the effects of hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin. Among the 29 articles, 3 were randomized controlled trials (RCT), one was a non-randomized trial and 25 were observational studies, including 10 with a critical risk of bias and 15 with a serious or moderate risk of bias. After excluding studies with critical risk of bias, the meta-analysis included 11,932 participants for the hydroxychloroquine group, 8,081 for the hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin group and 12,930 for the control group. Hydroxychloroquine was not significantly associated with mortality: pooled Relative Risk RR=0.83 (95% CI: 0.65-1.06, n=17 studies) for all studies and RR=1.09 (95% CI: 0.97-1.24, n=3 studies) for RCTs. Hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin was associated with an increased mortality: RR=1.27 (95% CI: 1.04-1.54, n=7 studies). We found similar results with a Bayesian meta-analysis.
Conclusion

Hydroxychloroquine alone was not associated with reduced mortality in hospitalized COVID-19 patients but the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin significantly increased mortality.

“Federal Government will come up with its own definition of hot spots if National Cabinet can’t agree: Morrison

(ABC News: Ian Cutmore)

The Prime Minister says the Federal Government will go its own way if National Cabinet doesn’t agree on a common definition of COVID-19 hotspots.

The top medical advisory panel, the AHPPC, is formulating a definition of what a hotspot is, so states and territories can make border decisions based on the same advice.

But Mr Morrison says if leaders can’t agree on a definition at National Cabinet, the Commonwealth will adopt an official position anyway.

If that happens, the Government can’t force states and territories to use the same definition, but Mr Morrison said it would help ensure “transparency” about how border closures are implemented.

“This will be essential for states and territories to establish containment strategies and move away from border restrictions,” he said.
“We will have one, whether it’s the Commonwealth one alone or one agreed by the states, but there will be one.

“That will be necessary I think for the transparency of arrangements that are put in place by the states and territories.”

The Prime Minister said keeping borders closed until a vaccine is discovered was a recipe for “economic ruin.

“In many of the border communities, residents are simply trying to move from one COVID-free region to another COVID-free region,” Mr Morrison said.

“We need to get borders open based on a common set of fair simple principles.”“

…………………………………………………………………………………………….

Political bullying to continue as it was pre-COVID-19. Bad look, ScoMo.
…………………………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-alerts/12604106

Michael V said:

“Federal Government will come up with its own definition of hot spots if National Cabinet can’t agree: Morrison

(ABC News: Ian Cutmore)

The Prime Minister says the Federal Government will go its own way if National Cabinet doesn’t agree on a common definition of COVID-19 hotspots.

The top medical advisory panel, the AHPPC, is formulating a definition of what a hotspot is, so states and territories can make border decisions based on the same advice.

But Mr Morrison says if leaders can’t agree on a definition at National Cabinet, the Commonwealth will adopt an official position anyway.

If that happens, the Government can’t force states and territories to use the same definition, but Mr Morrison said it would help ensure “transparency” about how border closures are implemented.

“This will be essential for states and territories to establish containment strategies and move away from border restrictions,” he said.
“We will have one, whether it’s the Commonwealth one alone or one agreed by the states, but there will be one.

“That will be necessary I think for the transparency of arrangements that are put in place by the states and territories.”

The Prime Minister said keeping borders closed until a vaccine is discovered was a recipe for “economic ruin.

“In many of the border communities, residents are simply trying to move from one COVID-free region to another COVID-free region,” Mr Morrison said.

“We need to get borders open based on a common set of fair simple principles.”“

…………………………………………………………………………………………….

Political bullying to continue as it was pre-COVID-19. Bad look, ScoMo.
…………………………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-alerts/12604106

fuck him.

Richard Marles MP

21 hrs ·
Minister runs away from responsibility.

https://www.facebook.com/richardmarlesmp/videos/962523047555224

——

I’d so like to have Wong leading the party.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

“Federal Government will come up with its own definition of hot spots if National Cabinet can’t agree: Morrison

(ABC News: Ian Cutmore)

The Prime Minister says the Federal Government will go its own way if National Cabinet doesn’t agree on a common definition of COVID-19 hotspots.

The top medical advisory panel, the AHPPC, is formulating a definition of what a hotspot is, so states and territories can make border decisions based on the same advice.

But Mr Morrison says if leaders can’t agree on a definition at National Cabinet, the Commonwealth will adopt an official position anyway.

If that happens, the Government can’t force states and territories to use the same definition, but Mr Morrison said it would help ensure “transparency” about how border closures are implemented.

“This will be essential for states and territories to establish containment strategies and move away from border restrictions,” he said.
“We will have one, whether it’s the Commonwealth one alone or one agreed by the states, but there will be one.

“That will be necessary I think for the transparency of arrangements that are put in place by the states and territories.”

The Prime Minister said keeping borders closed until a vaccine is discovered was a recipe for “economic ruin.

“In many of the border communities, residents are simply trying to move from one COVID-free region to another COVID-free region,” Mr Morrison said.

“We need to get borders open based on a common set of fair simple principles.”“

…………………………………………………………………………………………….

Political bullying to continue as it was pre-COVID-19. Bad look, ScoMo.
…………………………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-alerts/12604106

fuck him.

Richard Marles MP

21 hrs ·
Minister runs away from responsibility.

https://www.facebook.com/richardmarlesmp/videos/962523047555224

——

I’d so like to have Wong leading the party.

We’re dreaming, though…

Political interference at the US CDC?

https://www.sciencealert.com/cdc-changes-its-mind-on-just-who-needs-to-be-tested-for-covid-19

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

“Federal Government will come up with its own definition of hot spots if National Cabinet can’t agree: Morrison

(ABC News: Ian Cutmore)

The Prime Minister says the Federal Government will go its own way if National Cabinet doesn’t agree on a common definition of COVID-19 hotspots.

The top medical advisory panel, the AHPPC, is formulating a definition of what a hotspot is, so states and territories can make border decisions based on the same advice.

But Mr Morrison says if leaders can’t agree on a definition at National Cabinet, the Commonwealth will adopt an official position anyway.

If that happens, the Government can’t force states and territories to use the same definition, but Mr Morrison said it would help ensure “transparency” about how border closures are implemented.

“This will be essential for states and territories to establish containment strategies and move away from border restrictions,” he said.
“We will have one, whether it’s the Commonwealth one alone or one agreed by the states, but there will be one.

“That will be necessary I think for the transparency of arrangements that are put in place by the states and territories.”

The Prime Minister said keeping borders closed until a vaccine is discovered was a recipe for “economic ruin.

“In many of the border communities, residents are simply trying to move from one COVID-free region to another COVID-free region,” Mr Morrison said.

“We need to get borders open based on a common set of fair simple principles.”“

…………………………………………………………………………………………….

Political bullying to continue as it was pre-COVID-19. Bad look, ScoMo.
…………………………………………………………………………………………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-alerts/12604106

fuck him.

Richard Marles MP

21 hrs ·
Minister runs away from responsibility.

https://www.facebook.com/richardmarlesmp/videos/962523047555224

——

I’d so like to have Wong leading the party.

We’re dreaming, though…

Mz Wong would lose sight of covid amidst a welter of gender politics.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

fuck him.

Richard Marles MP

21 hrs ·
Minister runs away from responsibility.

https://www.facebook.com/richardmarlesmp/videos/962523047555224

——

I’d so like to have Wong leading the party.

We’re dreaming, though…

Mz Wong would lose sight of covid amidst a welter of gender politics.

you just make yourself look stupid with these type of comments.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

fuck him.

Richard Marles MP

21 hrs ·
Minister runs away from responsibility.

https://www.facebook.com/richardmarlesmp/videos/962523047555224

——

I’d so like to have Wong leading the party.

We’re dreaming, though…

Mz Wong would lose sight of covid amidst a welter of gender politics.

That post does make you read like you are a bigot.

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

We’re dreaming, though…

Mz Wong would lose sight of covid amidst a welter of gender politics.

That post does make you read like you are a bigot.

I think that has been pointed out to Tamb quite a few times by various people.

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

Mz Wong would lose sight of covid amidst a welter of gender politics.

That post does make you read like you are a bigot.

I think that has been pointed out to Tamb quite a few times by various people.

It is ill thought. Here is Wong pushing the govt for comment on Covid. She isn’t talking gender politics at all. She is eye on the ball about covid.

Tamb’s post nails prejudice.

ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

We’re dreaming, though…

Mz Wong would lose sight of covid amidst a welter of gender politics.

you just make yourself look stupid with these type of comments.

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

Mz Wong would lose sight of covid amidst a welter of gender politics.

That post does make you read like you are a bigot.

I think that has been pointed out to Tamb quite a few times by various people.

It has. It’s a fine line between bigotry & honesty.

Michael V said:

Political interference at the US CDC?

https://www.sciencealert.com/cdc-changes-its-mind-on-just-who-needs-to-be-tested-for-covid-19

they seem incapable of leaving anything non-political and untouched.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/japanese-pm-shinzo-abe-to-resign-due-to-illness/12607518

But not the illness we’re all thinking of eh, imagine if politicians resigned due to widespread pandemic illness and failure to control same.

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/japanese-pm-shinzo-abe-to-resign-due-to-illness/12607518

But not the illness we’re all thinking of eh, imagine if politicians resigned due to widespread pandemic illness and failure to control same.

Hmmmmn. Not the ideal time for it.

https://theconversation.com/1-4-million-less-than-projected-how-coronavirus-could-hit-australias-population-in-the-next-20-years-143544

In the early stages of COVID-19, much of the focus of demographers – who study populations – has understandably been on mortality and morbidity.

But as the pandemic rolls on, attention is also now turning to the impact of COVID-19 on population size, structure and distribution.

monkey skipper said:

https://theconversation.com/1-4-million-less-than-projected-how-coronavirus-could-hit-australias-population-in-the-next-20-years-143544

In the early stages of COVID-19, much of the focus of demographers – who study populations – has understandably been on mortality and morbidity.

But as the pandemic rolls on, attention is also now turning to the impact of COVID-19 on population size, structure and distribution.

lies, losing population couldn’t possibly negatively impact an Economy Must Grow, we need to get rid of useless expensive anyway

so explain this to us like we’re SCIENCE,

when epidemic hits and the “leaders” have no response plan, it’s all good we just have to make it up as we go, whatever, cool

when still in the thick of it and still trying to shut down outbreaks, the lack of “clear roadmap” is “deeply frustrating” and we all insist on certainty and assurance and confident bullshitting to make sure The Economy Must Grow and so must the virus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/victoria-records-113-coronavirus-cases-and-12-covid19-deaths/12603996

After the state recorded another 113 cases and 12 deaths in the past day, the Premier acknowledged the delay in outlining a clear roadmap was “deeply frustrating” but warned restrictions could only be eased gradually.

SCIENCE said:

so explain this to us like we’re SCIENCE,

when epidemic hits and the “leaders” have no response plan, it’s all good we just have to make it up as we go, whatever, cool

when still in the thick of it and still trying to shut down outbreaks, the lack of “clear roadmap” is “deeply frustrating” and we all insist on certainty and assurance and confident bullshitting to make sure The Economy Must Grow and so must the virus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/victoria-records-113-coronavirus-cases-and-12-covid19-deaths/12603996

After the state recorded another 113 cases and 12 deaths in the past day, the Premier acknowledged the delay in outlining a clear roadmap was “deeply frustrating” but warned restrictions could only be eased gradually.

Got a better idea?

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.facebook.com/victoriapolice/videos/2799876173567341/

We’re LIVE with North West Metro Region Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius regarding police enforcement and expectations regarding Saturday 5 September CBD protest.

go to ~14:18 for the good bit.

well what do we expect, we’d say this is the endpoint of the AntiExpertise movement, or endgame, or whatever but really it might only be the midgame

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

so explain this to us like we’re SCIENCE,

when epidemic hits and the “leaders” have no response plan, it’s all good we just have to make it up as we go, whatever, cool

when still in the thick of it and still trying to shut down outbreaks, the lack of “clear roadmap” is “deeply frustrating” and we all insist on certainty and assurance and confident bullshitting to make sure The Economy Must Grow and so must the virus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/victoria-records-113-coronavirus-cases-and-12-covid19-deaths/12603996

After the state recorded another 113 cases and 12 deaths in the past day, the Premier acknowledged the delay in outlining a clear roadmap was “deeply frustrating” but warned restrictions could only be eased gradually.

Got a better idea?

Yes. Have a policy to prevent and stamp out outbreaks when they arise. Included in the policy is the idea that exit from pandemic response is predicated on the evolving situation and independent of uninformed dog whistling armchair commentators.

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

so explain this to us like we’re SCIENCE,

when epidemic hits and the “leaders” have no response plan, it’s all good we just have to make it up as we go, whatever, cool

when still in the thick of it and still trying to shut down outbreaks, the lack of “clear roadmap” is “deeply frustrating” and we all insist on certainty and assurance and confident bullshitting to make sure The Economy Must Grow and so must the virus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/victoria-records-113-coronavirus-cases-and-12-covid19-deaths/12603996

After the state recorded another 113 cases and 12 deaths in the past day, the Premier acknowledged the delay in outlining a clear roadmap was “deeply frustrating” but warned restrictions could only be eased gradually.

Got a better idea?

Yes. Have a policy to prevent and stamp out outbreaks when they arise, set out in advance, not hastily cobbled together after cases start transmitting within your own borders. Included in the policy is the idea that exit from pandemic response is predicated on the evolving situation and independent of uninformed dog whistling armchair commentators.

sorry forgot our other important bits now added

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

so explain this to us like we’re SCIENCE,

when epidemic hits and the “leaders” have no response plan, it’s all good we just have to make it up as we go, whatever, cool

when still in the thick of it and still trying to shut down outbreaks, the lack of “clear roadmap” is “deeply frustrating” and we all insist on certainty and assurance and confident bullshitting to make sure The Economy Must Grow and so must the virus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/victoria-records-113-coronavirus-cases-and-12-covid19-deaths/12603996

After the state recorded another 113 cases and 12 deaths in the past day, the Premier acknowledged the delay in outlining a clear roadmap was “deeply frustrating” but warned restrictions could only be eased gradually.

Got a better idea?

Yes. Have a policy to prevent and stamp out outbreaks when they arise. Included in the policy is the idea that exit from pandemic response is predicated on the evolving situation and independent of uninformed dog whistling armchair commentators.

Our only method of gaining control is not much different than what it was initially. Isolate, separate and maintain high hygiene standards. The only new thing is using masks. I would like to know what else you can do?

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Got a better idea?

Yes. Have a policy to prevent and stamp out outbreaks when they arise. Included in the policy is the idea that exit from pandemic response is predicated on the evolving situation and independent of uninformed dog whistling armchair commentators.

Our only method of gaining control is not much different than what it was initially. Isolate, separate and maintain high hygiene standards. The only new thing is using masks. I would like to know what else you can do?

¡ you can put components of effective pandemic response together, into an effective pandemic response !

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

Yes. Have a policy to prevent and stamp out outbreaks when they arise. Included in the policy is the idea that exit from pandemic response is predicated on the evolving situation and independent of uninformed dog whistling armchair commentators.

Our only method of gaining control is not much different than what it was initially. Isolate, separate and maintain high hygiene standards. The only new thing is using masks. I would like to know what else you can do?

¡ you can put components of effective pandemic response together, into an effective pandemic response !

Without a vaccine, what do you suggest?

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Our only method of gaining control is not much different than what it was initially. Isolate, separate and maintain high hygiene standards. The only new thing is using masks. I would like to know what else you can do?

¡ you can put components of effective pandemic response together, into an effective pandemic response !

Without a vaccine, what do you suggest?

Whatever they did to fix other outbreaks of infectious disease that there are no vaccines for — isolate, separate, maintain high hygiene standards, all together in a policy to prevent and stamp out outbreaks when they arise, set out in advance, not hastily cobbled together after cases start transmitting within your own borders. Include in the policy the idea that exit from pandemic response is predicated on the evolving situation and independent of uninformed dog whistling armchair commentators.

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

¡ you can put components of effective pandemic response together, into an effective pandemic response !

Without a vaccine, what do you suggest?

Whatever they did to fix other outbreaks of infectious disease that there are no vaccines for — isolate, separate, maintain high hygiene standards, all together in a policy to prevent and stamp out outbreaks when they arise, set out in advance, not hastily cobbled together after cases start transmitting within your own borders. Include in the policy the idea that exit from pandemic response is predicated on the evolving situation and independent of uninformed dog whistling armchair commentators.

I think most things were done, but function was not always very good. You have to bear in mind that this is a new disease and largely unknown. There are bound to be many stumbles due to human nature, but there is no magic bullet.

PermeateFree said:

I think most things were done, but function was not always very good. You have to bear in mind that this is a new disease and largely unknown. There are bound to be many stumbles due to human nature, but there is no magic bullet.

Fair enough, it could be worse than here, we could be in the USSA for example.

Hopefully in future they’ll take more input from experts.

Remember how they were lying about how few cases they had, actually millions of them were dying, but now it has a 0.00000000003% mortality rate and doesn’t spread at all?

Another West Taiwanese Lie

China will reopen schools for the remaining quarter of its students still learning from home as the COVID-19 infection rate slows, with only nine cases reported on Friday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/coronavirus-update-covid-19-paris-korea-india-pogba/12604172

reading a bit much into the figures here it seems

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-29/nsw-health-data-shows-western-sydney-coronavirus-testing-down/12608938

France is experiencing a spike in infections of over 6000 a day but they have said fuck it we’re not going back into lockdown “wear a mask it’s compulsory, see ya”

Peak Warming Man said:

France is experiencing a spike in infections of over 6000 a day but they have said fuck it we’re not going back into lockdown “wear a mask it’s compulsory, see ya”

But no deaths. So that opinion is justified, sort of.

Remember how Australia didn’t have compulsory facemasks for a very long time. We were just as stupid.

mollwollfumble said:

Peak Warming Man said:

France is experiencing a spike in infections of over 6000 a day but they have said fuck it we’re not going back into lockdown “wear a mask it’s compulsory, see ya”

But no deaths. So that opinion is justified, sort of.

Remember how Australia didn’t have compulsory facemasks for a very long time. We were just as stupid.

Where ‘no deaths’ = 20.

mollwollfumble said:

Peak Warming Man said:

France is experiencing a spike in infections of over 6000 a day but they have said fuck it we’re not going back into lockdown “wear a mask it’s compulsory, see ya”

But no deaths. So that opinion is justified, sort of.

Remember how Australia didn’t have compulsory facemasks for a very long time. We were just as stupid.

Twenty deaths yesterday in France, according to worldometers.

they would have died anyway

The Idiots Have Reached Western

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-29/coronavirus-breach-at-northbridge-hotel/12608998

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/29/nsw-records-14-new-coronavirus-cases-as-queensland-infections-linked-to-wacol-cluster-climb

Covid is starting to remind me of a time in history. Where you just realise there are no guarantees in life. Enjoy each moment and that is as good as it gets!

Gotta fund that Job Keeper and COVIDSafe deficit somehow ¡

Victorian Police issue 192 fines in just 24 hours for coronavirus restriction breaches, including a woman who hosted a five-year-old’s birthday party with 12 adults and eight child guests.

I can’t get someone in to find out whether the bubbling on the ceiling of the bathroom is due to condensation or a leak through roof. )-: Stage 4 restrictions.

mollwollfumble said:

I can’t get someone in to find out whether the bubbling on the ceiling of the bathroom is due to condensation or a leak through roof. )-: Stage 4 restrictions.

Describe the bubbling.

mollwollfumble said:

I can’t get someone in to find out whether the bubbling on the ceiling of the bathroom is due to condensation or a leak through roof. )-: Stage 4 restrictions.

Most bathrooms should be fibro or villaboard instead of plaster. Wet area.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-30/parents-fearful-of-coronavirus-delaying-childrens-vaccinations/12610378

Interestingly, cases of gastro are lower this year (mentioned near the end of the article).

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-30/parents-fearful-of-coronavirus-delaying-childrens-vaccinations/12610378

Interestingly, cases of gastro are lower this year (mentioned near the end of the article).

Hand washing is a wonderful thing…

mollwollfumble said:

I can’t get someone in to find out whether the bubbling on the ceiling of the bathroom is due to condensation or a leak through roof. )-: Stage 4 restrictions.

I believe that would come under:

“Critical repairs to residential premises, are allowed, where required for emergency or safety”

From: https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/construction-restrictions-covid-19

Given the storms through Melbourne recently, I’d be phoning a plumber with a roof leak for attention. If it turns out to be otherwise, doesn’t matter. But I think I’d wait until after 9.00am tomorrow. A callout costs, and an out of hours callout costs more. And they need daylight anyway.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-30/parents-fearful-of-coronavirus-delaying-childrens-vaccinations/12610378

Interestingly, cases of gastro are lower this year (mentioned near the end of the article).

Hand washing is a wonderful thing…

as is the newly available 5G delivery of immunisation vaccination and autism, please apply here

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I can’t get someone in to find out whether the bubbling on the ceiling of the bathroom is due to condensation or a leak through roof. )-: Stage 4 restrictions.

I believe that would come under:

“Critical repairs to residential premises, are allowed, where required for emergency or safety”

From: https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/construction-restrictions-covid-19

Given the storms through Melbourne recently, I’d be phoning a plumber with a roof leak for attention. If it turns out to be otherwise, doesn’t matter. But I think I’d wait until after 9.00am tomorrow. A callout costs, and an out of hours callout costs more. And they need daylight anyway.

imagine if there were a way that trades services could inspect facilities remotely, perhaps with these newfangled things called “digital camera” and “internet”, imagine if there were some way to communicate with them at a distance, some kind of amazing new technology called what is it “téléphone” or something

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

I can’t get someone in to find out whether the bubbling on the ceiling of the bathroom is due to condensation or a leak through roof. )-: Stage 4 restrictions.

Most bathrooms should be fibro or villaboard instead of plaster. Wet area.

asbestos, yeah, don’t worry it’s like COVID-19 it won’t kill you either, never killed anyone, like smoking, no deaths, that was lung cancer that killed them not crocidolite not tobacco it never

Nice to see Austria and Australia so close in the world rankings. Austria raked number 68 and Australia ranked number 69.

Just like the USA, Australia looks like it’s been infected by two completely different viruses, with very different mortality rates. The first case for the second virus in Australia on or about June 10 to 13, a fortnight to three weeks after the first case for the second US virus.

Australia cases, looks OK.

Australia deaths, not so good.

At least we don’t have that damn weekly cycle in our death figures.

mollwollfumble said:

Nice to see Austria and Australia so close in the world rankings. Austria raked number 68 and Australia ranked number 69.

Just like the USA, Australia looks like it’s been infected by two completely different viruses, with very different mortality rates. The first case for the second virus in Australia on or about June 10 to 13, a fortnight to three weeks after the first case for the second US virus.

Australia cases, looks OK.

Australia deaths, not so good.

At least we don’t have that damn weekly cycle in our death figures.

And a few minutes later both charts were on the ABC TV news.

How to get dressed during Stage 4 lockdown.

• Wake up
• Get up
• Put on shirt

You are now dressed.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nice to see Austria and Australia so close in the world rankings. Austria raked number 68 and Australia ranked number 69.

Just like the USA, Australia looks like it’s been infected by two completely different viruses, with very different mortality rates. The first case for the second virus in Australia on or about June 10 to 13, a fortnight to three weeks after the first case for the second US virus.

Australia cases, looks OK.

Australia deaths, not so good.

At least we don’t have that damn weekly cycle in our death figures.

And a few minutes later both charts were on the ABC TV news.

How to get dressed during Stage 4 lockdown.

• Wake up
• Get up
• Put on shirt

You are now dressed.

Iran was the first country to get a second wave IIRC. First cases from the second wave about start of May and first deaths from second wave mid May.

The long delay between cases and deaths in second wave Iran matches the same behaviour in Australia.
The decline in cases without a corresponding decrease in deaths in Iran during the second wave matches the same behaviour in Australia.
And both similar in the USA.

So what do you say, The second wave virus originated in Iran and spread from there all around the world?

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nice to see Austria and Australia so close in the world rankings. Austria raked number 68 and Australia ranked number 69.

Just like the USA, Australia looks like it’s been infected by two completely different viruses, with very different mortality rates. The first case for the second virus in Australia on or about June 10 to 13, a fortnight to three weeks after the first case for the second US virus.

Australia cases, looks OK.

Australia deaths, not so good.

At least we don’t have that damn weekly cycle in our death figures.

And a few minutes later both charts were on the ABC TV news.

How to get dressed during Stage 4 lockdown.

• Wake up
• Get up
• Put on shirt

You are now dressed.

Iran was the first country to get a second wave IIRC. First cases from the second wave about start of May and first deaths from second wave mid May.

The long delay between cases and deaths in second wave Iran matches the same behaviour in Australia.
The decline in cases without a corresponding decrease in deaths in Iran during the second wave matches the same behaviour in Australia.
And both similar in the USA.

So what do you say, The second wave virus originated in Iran and spread from there all around the world?

Yeah let’s fuck the science and engage in baseless speculation.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

And a few minutes later both charts were on the ABC TV news.

How to get dressed during Stage 4 lockdown.

• Wake up
• Get up
• Put on shirt

You are now dressed.

Iran was the first country to get a second wave IIRC. First cases from the second wave about start of May and first deaths from second wave mid May.

The long delay between cases and deaths in second wave Iran matches the same behaviour in Australia.
The decline in cases without a corresponding decrease in deaths in Iran during the second wave matches the same behaviour in Australia.
And both similar in the USA.

So what do you say, The second wave virus originated in Iran and spread from there all around the world?

Yeah let’s fuck the science and engage in baseless speculation.

whoa easy there tiger, we got standards y’no’

speaking of speculation though, check out these lies

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-30/china-enjoys-beer-festival-during-coronavirus-recovery/12594828

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah let’s fuck the science and engage in baseless speculation.

OK. Sounds good to me :)

And, for a significant number of West Australian families, that pain could soon become much more apparent — with a festive period separated from loved ones now more than just a possibility.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-30/wa-border-closures-could-keep-families-separated-at-christmas/12605668

¡ imagine the pain of a festive period while possibly physically separated from loved ones who you might still be able to contact using some form of distance communication !
¡ imagine the pain of a festive period when you had to bury your loved ones who died of COVID-19 and won’t be able to contact them with any known physics*, and the closest you would get would be to end up buried !

*: we do not include metaphysics

>Drums fingers on desk<

I never know whether dates on things are ‘Best before’ or ‘Use By’ advice these days. How long is it OK to exceed the ‘Best Before’ date by?

Rule 303 said:

>Drums fingers on desk<

I never know whether dates on things are ‘Best before’ or ‘Use By’ advice these days. How long is it OK to exceed the ‘Best Before’ date by?

What foodstuff are you referring to? If it’s a can and it’s deformed or dented, throw it out.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

>Drums fingers on desk<

I never know whether dates on things are ‘Best before’ or ‘Use By’ advice these days. How long is it OK to exceed the ‘Best Before’ date by?

What foodstuff are you referring to? If it’s a can and it’s deformed or dented, throw it out.

Just, hmmm… Stuff that goes out of date in general.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

>Drums fingers on desk<

I never know whether dates on things are ‘Best before’ or ‘Use By’ advice these days. How long is it OK to exceed the ‘Best Before’ date by?

What foodstuff are you referring to? If it’s a can and it’s deformed or dented, throw it out.

Just, hmmm… Stuff that goes out of date in general.

I often smell things. I’ve got quite a good smeller. Dry things, like flour etc are pretty OK unless the weavils etc have hatched. I chucked a chunk of Warrnambool tasty cheese in the compost bin the other day because even cutting the mould away I wasn’t going to get much cheese out of it. The worms can feast on that one.

:)

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

>Drums fingers on desk<

I never know whether dates on things are ‘Best before’ or ‘Use By’ advice these days. How long is it OK to exceed the ‘Best Before’ date by?

What foodstuff are you referring to? If it’s a can and it’s deformed or dented, throw it out.

Just, hmmm… Stuff that goes out of date in general.

I’ve got a bottle of Pecks Paste that is well past it’s use by date but the tell tale part of the lid that will pop if it’s gone bad is still unpopped.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

What foodstuff are you referring to? If it’s a can and it’s deformed or dented, throw it out.

Just, hmmm… Stuff that goes out of date in general.

I often smell things. I’ve got quite a good smeller. Dry things, like flour etc are pretty OK unless the weavils etc have hatched. I chucked a chunk of Warrnambool tasty cheese in the compost bin the other day because even cutting the mould away I wasn’t going to get much cheese out of it. The worms can feast on that one.

:)

My nose seems to work OK, but I have low confidence in my smell identification abilities, and so get almost nothing out of descriptions of wine (for example). The label might say “aromas of plumb and blackberry with earthy tones and a christmas cake finish” but I just smell wine. For a long time I believed that if one Scotch was more expensive than the others, it was probably stronger.

This limits me somewhat to reading the date for guidance on when to replace things.

Only 73 new cases in Victoria and only 41 deaths.

Peak Warming Man said:

Only 73 new cases in Victoria and only 41 deaths.

Yes, but….half of those deaths were ones that hadn’t been reported until now but happened before. It’s a catchup figure. Although I’m not quite clear how the nursing homes have now found extras…not to put too fine a point on it…have the dead bodies been being tested or something?

DHHS tweet: for 31 Aug 2020. There were 73 new cases and sadly 41 deaths. Today’s deaths total includes 22 people who died in the weeks leading up to 27 August and were reported to DHHS by aged care facilities yesterday. More info will be available later this morning.

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-31/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-blog-victoria-jobkeeper/12610938

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Just, hmmm… Stuff that goes out of date in general.

I often smell things. I’ve got quite a good smeller. Dry things, like flour etc are pretty OK unless the weavils etc have hatched. I chucked a chunk of Warrnambool tasty cheese in the compost bin the other day because even cutting the mould away I wasn’t going to get much cheese out of it. The worms can feast on that one.

:)

My nose seems to work OK, but I have low confidence in my smell identification abilities, and so get almost nothing out of descriptions of wine (for example). The label might say “aromas of plumb and blackberry with earthy tones and a christmas cake finish” but I just smell wine. For a long time I believed that if one Scotch was more expensive than the others, it was probably stronger.

This limits me somewhat to reading the date for guidance on when to replace things.

Get pregnant. Your sense of smell is vastly improved.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Only 73 new cases in Victoria and only 41 deaths.

Yes, but….half of those deaths were ones that hadn’t been reported until now but happened before. It’s a catchup figure. Although I’m not quite clear how the nursing homes have now found extras…not to put too fine a point on it…have the dead bodies been being tested or something?

Might I suggest there was some uncertainty about whether they had passed their Use By date?

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I often smell things. I’ve got quite a good smeller. Dry things, like flour etc are pretty OK unless the weavils etc have hatched. I chucked a chunk of Warrnambool tasty cheese in the compost bin the other day because even cutting the mould away I wasn’t going to get much cheese out of it. The worms can feast on that one.

:)

My nose seems to work OK, but I have low confidence in my smell identification abilities, and so get almost nothing out of descriptions of wine (for example). The label might say “aromas of plumb and blackberry with earthy tones and a christmas cake finish” but I just smell wine. For a long time I believed that if one Scotch was more expensive than the others, it was probably stronger.

This limits me somewhat to reading the date for guidance on when to replace things.

Get pregnant. Your sense of smell is vastly improved.

Really? Struth. OK… Well I’m going to need beer.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Just, hmmm… Stuff that goes out of date in general.

I often smell things. I’ve got quite a good smeller. Dry things, like flour etc are pretty OK unless the weavils etc have hatched. I chucked a chunk of Warrnambool tasty cheese in the compost bin the other day because even cutting the mould away I wasn’t going to get much cheese out of it. The worms can feast on that one.

:)

My nose seems to work OK, but I have low confidence in my smell identification abilities, and so get almost nothing out of descriptions of wine (for example). The label might say “aromas of plumb and blackberry with earthy tones and a christmas cake finish” but I just smell wine. For a long time I believed that if one Scotch was more expensive than the others, it was probably stronger.

This limits me somewhat to reading the date for guidance on when to replace things.

I see it as a sell by date. Because they are always on special when the sell by date approaches.

Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

My nose seems to work OK, but I have low confidence in my smell identification abilities, and so get almost nothing out of descriptions of wine (for example). The label might say “aromas of plumb and blackberry with earthy tones and a christmas cake finish” but I just smell wine. For a long time I believed that if one Scotch was more expensive than the others, it was probably stronger.

This limits me somewhat to reading the date for guidance on when to replace things.

Get pregnant. Your sense of smell is vastly improved.

Really? Struth. OK… Well I’m going to need beer.

got a giggle here.

Mrs rb reckons her lymphoma made her more sensitive to all smells.

SWMBO is just back from getting tested at the Melbourne showgrounds. Said there’s a shitload of testing stations but very few people turning up to get tested.

She’s got a cough and cold that she probably picked up at the optometrist as she’s been nowhere else.

sibeen said:

SWMBO is just back from getting tested at the Melbourne showgrounds. Said there’s a shitload of testing stations but very few people turning up to get tested.

She’s got a cough and cold that she probably picked up at the optometrist as she’s been nowhere else.

Oh dear… She’s had a pretty good run, mate. Have you got a good stock of cheese and bikkies and chocolate?

Checked the ‘care package’ for anything that might be out of its Use By date.

All clear.

I’m going to have to abandon my fun with Use By dates to be a little serious, with this article from The Age:

Social Media Must Do More To Fight Untruths

If ever there was a time when the best and worst of social media was evident, the pandemic may have provided it. As much of the world’s population has hunkered down at home for extended periods to slow the spread of COVID-19 , social media platforms have experienced a huge surge in usage. As a means of staying connected while physically distancing, social media has been an invaluable source of information and community. But the social media giants knew the pandemic would reveal a more disturbing side. The 2016 election of Donald Trump had been the wake-up call as to how digital platforms could become a forum for fomenting large-scale discord using misinformation. Facebook went on the front foot early when the pandemic hit. It placed a coronavirus information centre at the top of its News Feed with verified information, committing itself to restricting distribution of false information about vaccines and having factcheckers place warnings on posts considered dubious. It recently boasted that from April to June it had applied warning labels to 98 million pieces of COVID-19 misinformation, had removed 7 million pieces of content that could lead to imminent harm and had directed more than 2 billion people to resources from credible health authorities.

But according to global human rights group Avaaz, misinformation about vaccines and other health topics on Facebook was viewed an estimated 3.8 billion times in the past year, and peaked in April, soon after Facebook introduced the new measures to stem the flow . The study also found more than 80 per cent of suspect posts it looked at did not include a warning label from fact checkers. This raises serious concerns about Facebook’s ability to monitor and control such large amounts of information.
The World Health Organisation has also expressed growing alarm over the rampant spread of misinformation across many nations. ‘‘ We’re not just battling the virus,’’ WHO directorgeneral Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus recently said. ‘‘ We’re also battling the trolls and conspiracy theorists that push misinformation and undermine the outbreak response.’’

The WHO says it is collaborating with more than 50 digital companies and social media platforms, including TikTok, Google, Viber, WhatsApp, and YouTube, to ensure credible information is shown when people go searching for news.

Closer to home, last week The Age’s Facebook page was hit by a co-ordinated spam attack that forced the removal of an article about suicide rates during the pandemic. The page was flooded with thousands of comments including threats, abuse, defamation and conspiracy theory material.

The attack was led by an Australian group that believes the severity of the coronavirus is exaggerated, or in some cases that the illness is not real, and is a ploy to allow governments to assert more control. What has frustrated some media organisations is that Facebook will not allow comments to be turned off, a simple way for such attacks to be stopped.

It is no great revelation that social media is awash with bogus information. But during a pandemic, such falsehoods can have real consequences. Irresponsible individual actions can have dire outcomes for the collective. While much of the economy is in a pandemic-induced coma, big tech companies are enjoying healthy profits . There is no excuse for them not to do more to ensure social media platforms are a force for good during such times.

Copyright © 2020 The Age

This is the article:

No increase in Victorian suicide rate as calls to helplines surge in pandemic

Lifeline received 1000 daily calls from Victorians for the first time ever this week, but there has been no increase in the number of people dying by suicide during the coronavirus pandemic.

State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.

Between January 1 and August 26, 466 Victorians took their own lives. This was broadly consistent with the same period last year, when 468 Victorians died by suicide, and in 2018, when 461 Victorians took their own lives in the eight months to August 26. The numbers are higher than the same period in 2016, when there were 420 suicides.

The findings contradict widespread assumptions that the number of suicides had been higher this year under the pressures of COVID-19 lockdowns, anxiety about the pandemic, job losses and financial insecurity.

Of the 466 Victorians who died by suicide this year, 350 were men, and most were aged between 22 and 55.

Lifeline chief executive John Brogden said more than 1000 Victorians called for help on both Monday and Tuesday, for the first time ever in a 24-hour period.

Calls dropped back below 1000 again on Wednesday, he said.

There was a 22 per cent spike in the number of calls from Victorians in the three days after nine public housing towers were placed into a hard lockdown in July, rising to 30 per cent when Premier Daniel Andrews announced all of Melbourne would return to stage three restrictions a few days later.

While noting the pandemic would be catastrophic for mental health, Mr Brogden said stability in the suicide rate showed funding and services were catching people dealing with “wartime” stresses.

“Governments, to their enormous credit, state and federal, came to the party really quickly to joints like Lifeline because they knew that calls would go through the roof. And our calls have gone through the roof. But the hope here is that we’re getting to people, we’re getting the services to people so that they aren’t getting to the point of suicide.”

He expects the mental health crisis to worsen in the long-term because of economic instability and expects more calls to Lifeline when JobKeeper tapers off from September.

Before COVID-19, Lifeline was receiving about 2500 calls a day nationally. That peaked on Good Friday with 3197 calls, the most calls Lifeline has ever received in a day. There are now about 3000 calls a day, about one-third of which come from Victoria.

Modelling from the University of Sydney’s Brain and Mind Centre in May predicted there could be a 25 per cent surge in the number of suicides during the pandemic.

A viral Facebook post earlier this month falsely claimed suicide rates were up 200 per cent during the current lockdown.

Judge Cain said the Coroners Office would release monthly reports on suicide trends to support safe and open conversations about suicide and suicide prevention.

“There is clearly growing awareness and community concern regarding mental health and suicide – and everyone should have access to the facts,” Judge Cain said.
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All Victorian deaths that are suspected to be from non-natural causes are referred to the Coroners Court.

The court reviews reported deaths daily and adds suspected suicides to the Victorian Suicide Register, before investigating their circumstances more fully.

While the suicide figures reported on Thursday have not all been subject to inquests, the Coroners Court said changes to the register after an inquest are typically minor and those initial assessments are correct more than 95 per cent of the time.

Beyond Blue chief executive Georgie Harman said it was important to deal with facts and thanked the coroner for releasing the monthly data.

“The really important thing is that we need to be absolutely vigilant about this, to keep the conversation going and to work together to stop suicides. That’s not just governments, that’s all of us,” Ms Harman said.

Beyond Blue this month released figures showing two out of three calls to its coronavirus mental wellbeing support service nationally were coming from Victoria, up from 43 per cent in June.

Headspace chief executive Jason Trethowan said 95 per cent of consultations with young people in Victoria were now done online, compared to just 10 per cent prior to the pandemic.

“Although most young people will spontaneously recover from some of the mental health impacts that COVID has produced for many, the impacts have the potential to cause long-lasting distress,” Mr Trethowan said.

Professor Patrick McGorry, executive director of youth health service Orygen, told Victoria’s public accounts and estimates committee on Thursday that he expected the suicide rate would rise if demand for face-to-face services wasn’t addressed.

“We can expect somewhere between a 25 and 50 per cent increase in suicide risk, especially in young people, particularly if we don’t actually invest in services,” Professor McGorry said.

“There’s indications that that surge is really happening now.

“We already know that there’s a self-harm presenting to emergency departments … and some suicide clusters.”

If you or anyone you know needs support call Lifeline on 131 114, or Beyond Blue’s coronavirus mental wellbeing support service on 1800 512 348.

Rule 303 said:

I’m going to have to abandon my fun with Use By dates to be a little serious, with this article from The Age:

Social Media Must Do More To Fight Untruths

If ever there was a time when the best and worst of social media was evident, the pandemic may have provided it. As much of the world’s population has hunkered down at home for extended periods to slow the spread of COVID-19 , social media platforms have experienced a huge surge in usage. As a means of staying connected while physically distancing, social media has been an invaluable source of information and community. But the social media giants knew the pandemic would reveal a more disturbing side. The 2016 election of Donald Trump had been the wake-up call as to how digital platforms could become a forum for fomenting large-scale discord using misinformation. Facebook went on the front foot early when the pandemic hit. It placed a coronavirus information centre at the top of its News Feed with verified information, committing itself to restricting distribution of false information about vaccines and having factcheckers place warnings on posts considered dubious. It recently boasted that from April to June it had applied warning labels to 98 million pieces of COVID-19 misinformation, had removed 7 million pieces of content that could lead to imminent harm and had directed more than 2 billion people to resources from credible health authorities.

But according to global human rights group Avaaz, misinformation about vaccines and other health topics on Facebook was viewed an estimated 3.8 billion times in the past year, and peaked in April, soon after Facebook introduced the new measures to stem the flow . The study also found more than 80 per cent of suspect posts it looked at did not include a warning label from fact checkers. This raises serious concerns about Facebook’s ability to monitor and control such large amounts of information.
The World Health Organisation has also expressed growing alarm over the rampant spread of misinformation across many nations. ‘‘ We’re not just battling the virus,’’ WHO directorgeneral Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus recently said. ‘‘ We’re also battling the trolls and conspiracy theorists that push misinformation and undermine the outbreak response.’’

The WHO says it is collaborating with more than 50 digital companies and social media platforms, including TikTok, Google, Viber, WhatsApp, and YouTube, to ensure credible information is shown when people go searching for news.

Closer to home, last week The Age’s Facebook page was hit by a co-ordinated spam attack that forced the removal of an article about suicide rates during the pandemic. The page was flooded with thousands of comments including threats, abuse, defamation and conspiracy theory material.

The attack was led by an Australian group that believes the severity of the coronavirus is exaggerated, or in some cases that the illness is not real, and is a ploy to allow governments to assert more control. What has frustrated some media organisations is that Facebook will not allow comments to be turned off, a simple way for such attacks to be stopped.

It is no great revelation that social media is awash with bogus information. But during a pandemic, such falsehoods can have real consequences. Irresponsible individual actions can have dire outcomes for the collective. While much of the economy is in a pandemic-induced coma, big tech companies are enjoying healthy profits . There is no excuse for them not to do more to ensure social media platforms are a force for good during such times.

Copyright © 2020 The Age

What about Rupert commentators denying pandemic and demanding borders be opened and the economy saved?

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

I’m going to have to abandon my fun with Use By dates to be a little serious, with this article from The Age:

Social Media Must Do More To Fight Untruths

If ever there was a time when the best and worst of social media was evident, the pandemic may have provided it. As much of the world’s population has hunkered down at home for extended periods to slow the spread of COVID-19 , social media platforms have experienced a huge surge in usage. As a means of staying connected while physically distancing, social media has been an invaluable source of information and community. But the social media giants knew the pandemic would reveal a more disturbing side. The 2016 election of Donald Trump had been the wake-up call as to how digital platforms could become a forum for fomenting large-scale discord using misinformation. Facebook went on the front foot early when the pandemic hit. It placed a coronavirus information centre at the top of its News Feed with verified information, committing itself to restricting distribution of false information about vaccines and having factcheckers place warnings on posts considered dubious. It recently boasted that from April to June it had applied warning labels to 98 million pieces of COVID-19 misinformation, had removed 7 million pieces of content that could lead to imminent harm and had directed more than 2 billion people to resources from credible health authorities.

But according to global human rights group Avaaz, misinformation about vaccines and other health topics on Facebook was viewed an estimated 3.8 billion times in the past year, and peaked in April, soon after Facebook introduced the new measures to stem the flow . The study also found more than 80 per cent of suspect posts it looked at did not include a warning label from fact checkers. This raises serious concerns about Facebook’s ability to monitor and control such large amounts of information.
The World Health Organisation has also expressed growing alarm over the rampant spread of misinformation across many nations. ‘‘ We’re not just battling the virus,’’ WHO directorgeneral Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus recently said. ‘‘ We’re also battling the trolls and conspiracy theorists that push misinformation and undermine the outbreak response.’’

The WHO says it is collaborating with more than 50 digital companies and social media platforms, including TikTok, Google, Viber, WhatsApp, and YouTube, to ensure credible information is shown when people go searching for news.

Closer to home, last week The Age’s Facebook page was hit by a co-ordinated spam attack that forced the removal of an article about suicide rates during the pandemic. The page was flooded with thousands of comments including threats, abuse, defamation and conspiracy theory material.

The attack was led by an Australian group that believes the severity of the coronavirus is exaggerated, or in some cases that the illness is not real, and is a ploy to allow governments to assert more control. What has frustrated some media organisations is that Facebook will not allow comments to be turned off, a simple way for such attacks to be stopped.

It is no great revelation that social media is awash with bogus information. But during a pandemic, such falsehoods can have real consequences. Irresponsible individual actions can have dire outcomes for the collective. While much of the economy is in a pandemic-induced coma, big tech companies are enjoying healthy profits . There is no excuse for them not to do more to ensure social media platforms are a force for good during such times.

Copyright © 2020 The Age

What about Rupert commentators denying pandemic and demanding borders be opened and the economy saved?

I take it you mean Josh Frydenberg?

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

I’m going to have to abandon my fun with Use By dates to be a little serious, with this article from The Age:

Social Media Must Do More To Fight Untruths

If ever there was a time when the best and worst of social media was evident, the pandemic may have provided it. As much of the world’s population has hunkered down at home for extended periods to slow the spread of COVID-19 , social media platforms have experienced a huge surge in usage. As a means of staying connected while physically distancing, social media has been an invaluable source of information and community. But the social media giants knew the pandemic would reveal a more disturbing side. The 2016 election of Donald Trump had been the wake-up call as to how digital platforms could become a forum for fomenting large-scale discord using misinformation. Facebook went on the front foot early when the pandemic hit. It placed a coronavirus information centre at the top of its News Feed with verified information, committing itself to restricting distribution of false information about vaccines and having factcheckers place warnings on posts considered dubious. It recently boasted that from April to June it had applied warning labels to 98 million pieces of COVID-19 misinformation, had removed 7 million pieces of content that could lead to imminent harm and had directed more than 2 billion people to resources from credible health authorities.

But according to global human rights group Avaaz, misinformation about vaccines and other health topics on Facebook was viewed an estimated 3.8 billion times in the past year, and peaked in April, soon after Facebook introduced the new measures to stem the flow . The study also found more than 80 per cent of suspect posts it looked at did not include a warning label from fact checkers. This raises serious concerns about Facebook’s ability to monitor and control such large amounts of information.
The World Health Organisation has also expressed growing alarm over the rampant spread of misinformation across many nations. ‘‘ We’re not just battling the virus,’’ WHO directorgeneral Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus recently said. ‘‘ We’re also battling the trolls and conspiracy theorists that push misinformation and undermine the outbreak response.’’

The WHO says it is collaborating with more than 50 digital companies and social media platforms, including TikTok, Google, Viber, WhatsApp, and YouTube, to ensure credible information is shown when people go searching for news.

Closer to home, last week The Age’s Facebook page was hit by a co-ordinated spam attack that forced the removal of an article about suicide rates during the pandemic. The page was flooded with thousands of comments including threats, abuse, defamation and conspiracy theory material.

The attack was led by an Australian group that believes the severity of the coronavirus is exaggerated, or in some cases that the illness is not real, and is a ploy to allow governments to assert more control. What has frustrated some media organisations is that Facebook will not allow comments to be turned off, a simple way for such attacks to be stopped.

It is no great revelation that social media is awash with bogus information. But during a pandemic, such falsehoods can have real consequences. Irresponsible individual actions can have dire outcomes for the collective. While much of the economy is in a pandemic-induced coma, big tech companies are enjoying healthy profits . There is no excuse for them not to do more to ensure social media platforms are a force for good during such times.

Copyright © 2020 The Age

What about Rupert commentators denying pandemic and demanding borders be opened and the economy saved?

I take it you mean Josh Frydenberg?

Well..no. I was thinking more about Bolt’s ‘the old people will die anyway’ and Latham’s demands to open Tasmania while the Victorian outbreak was ramping up…

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

What about Rupert commentators denying pandemic and demanding borders be opened and the economy saved?

I take it you mean Josh Frydenberg?

Well..no. I was thinking more about Bolt’s ‘the old people will die anyway’ and Latham’s demands to open Tasmania while the Victorian outbreak was ramping up…

Latham should be permanently barred from these shores as an undesirable alien.

“He’s also told counsel assisting, Tony Neal QC, the hotels contracted by the DJPR didn’t receive “clarity and detail in regard to required cleaning and disinfectant procedures from DHHS (Department of Health) until Mid-June”.

He says a document tilted “Procedure for cleaning quarantine and quarantine red hotels” was circulated on June 17.”

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Heck!

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-31/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-blog-victoria-jobkeeper/12610938

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton advised people to make sure the water came to a rolling boil.

“Whether you’re drinking it, using it for brushing teeth, making ice, just make sure that that water is boiled to a rolling boil before it is used,” he said.

“Obviously let it cool down to make it safe for kids as well.”

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Fun fact: you should also let it cool down to make it safe for adults.

dv said:

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton advised people to make sure the water came to a rolling boil.

“Whether you’re drinking it, using it for brushing teeth, making ice, just make sure that that water is boiled to a rolling boil before it is used,” he said.

“Obviously let it cool down to make it safe for kids as well.”

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Fun fact: you should also let it cool down to make it safe for adults.

You can’t just make a cuppa?

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New South China Caught Lying Like The Motherland Did On 2020-04-17

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-31/why-was-victorias-coronavirus-death-toll-so-high-today/12612106

Not all 41 deaths happened yesterday

Premier Daniel Andrews said only eight of the deaths reported this morning actually occurred yesterday. The other 33 deaths happened in previous weeks.

At least 37 of the 41 coronavirus deaths reported today were linked to aged care outbreaks. Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the delay in adding 33 of those to the total was largely due to a change in the way aged care facilities reported coronavirus deaths. “There is a reconciliation that we needed to go through,” he said. “These are deaths that have happened over previous weeks, including going back to late July.”

Victoria is new south china?

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

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New South China Caught Lying Like The Motherland Did On 2020-04-17

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-31/why-was-victorias-coronavirus-death-toll-so-high-today/12612106

Not all 41 deaths happened yesterday

Premier Daniel Andrews said only eight of the deaths reported this morning actually occurred yesterday. The other 33 deaths happened in previous weeks.

At least 37 of the 41 coronavirus deaths reported today were linked to aged care outbreaks. Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the delay in adding 33 of those to the total was largely due to a change in the way aged care facilities reported coronavirus deaths. “There is a reconciliation that we needed to go through,” he said. “These are deaths that have happened over previous weeks, including going back to late July.”

Victoria is new south china?

Belts and roads.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

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New South China Caught Lying Like The Motherland Did On 2020-04-17

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-31/why-was-victorias-coronavirus-death-toll-so-high-today/12612106

Not all 41 deaths happened yesterday

Premier Daniel Andrews said only eight of the deaths reported this morning actually occurred yesterday. The other 33 deaths happened in previous weeks.

At least 37 of the 41 coronavirus deaths reported today were linked to aged care outbreaks. Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the delay in adding 33 of those to the total was largely due to a change in the way aged care facilities reported coronavirus deaths. “There is a reconciliation that we needed to go through,” he said. “These are deaths that have happened over previous weeks, including going back to late July.”

Victoria is new south china?

Next thing SCIENCE will be telling us that they speak Northern Spanish in parts of Eastern Alaska.

party_pants said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

This post protected by Make AntiTroll Great Again Wall Of Chi-Coro-Na. Proceed at your own leisure. This is unpatented anti-troll technology: ¿¿¿

New South China Caught Lying Like The Motherland Did On 2020-04-17

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-31/why-was-victorias-coronavirus-death-toll-so-high-today/12612106

Not all 41 deaths happened yesterday

Premier Daniel Andrews said only eight of the deaths reported this morning actually occurred yesterday. The other 33 deaths happened in previous weeks.

At least 37 of the 41 coronavirus deaths reported today were linked to aged care outbreaks. Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the delay in adding 33 of those to the total was largely due to a change in the way aged care facilities reported coronavirus deaths. “There is a reconciliation that we needed to go through,” he said. “These are deaths that have happened over previous weeks, including going back to late July.”

Victoria is new south china?

Next thing SCIENCE will be telling us that they speak Northern Spanish in parts of Eastern Alaska.

:)

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Victoria is new south china?

Next thing SCIENCE will be telling us that they speak Northern Spanish in parts of Eastern Alaska.

:)

This map projection thread is out of hand

dv said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Next thing SCIENCE will be telling us that they speak Northern Spanish in parts of Eastern Alaska.

:)

This map projection thread is out of hand

At least it’s not PAST ITS USE BY DATE like some threads.

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dv said:

Michael V said:

:)

This map projection thread is out of hand

At least it’s not PAST ITS USE BY DATE like some threads.

Use by dates are just a guide and bear no real reflection on the edibility of said stuffs.