A battery that can be made to last from years to thousands of years with no need to recharge.

>>A cheap, safe, self-charging battery that delivers high power for decades without ever needing a charge? That’s a game changer. California-based company NDB is making some outrageous promises with its nano-diamond battery technology, which could completely disrupt the energy generation, distribution and provision models if deployed at scale.

Each of these batteries, which can be built to fit any existing standard or shape, uses a small amount of recycled nuclear waste, reformed into a radioactive diamond structure and coated in non-radioactive lab diamonds for safety.

Dr Nima Golsharifi: Our battery is based on the beta decay and alpha decay of radioisotopes. The technology we have encapsulates this radioisotope in a very safe manner, which allows it to be used in basically any application that current batteries are being used for.

Basically, some parts of the nuclear reactor, like the moderator and the refractor, are being exposed to radiation from the fuel rods. Over time they become radioactive themselves. That’s the part that they have to store as nuclear waste.

So this part could be taken away, and through some process, either gasification or some other processes we’ve designed, we can convert that into a useful raw material for our batteries.

So what we’re doing covers two challenges in one. Converting nuclear waste into a battery that generates power in a very safe manner. Once this battery is used – and it can have a very long life span – it becomes a very safe byproduct that’s of no harm to the environment.

Basically we’re covering two different kinds of nuclear waste. One is intermediate, and the other is high level. So there will be a time where we have recycled the entire amount of nuclear waste, and we’ll need new solutions for the raw material. But as I mentioned, we’ll be able to produce this raw material through other methods, including transmutation.

That’s a process that’s currently being used, and not something we’ve invented ourselves. It was invented by MIT, and it involves a centrifuge to separate out the isotopes. The main ingredient is nitrogen, which is the major component of air, so it’s a very cheap solution.

n some cases, you’re a little bit higher in price for production, and in others, when it goes to scale, we’re a cheaper solution. Let me give you an example. Take the battery for a Tesla car, it costs somewhere in the region of US$9-10K. Our battery will cost something in the region of US$7-8K. But it’s different in different applications.

But basically once the laboratories are open, we do require around 6-9 months to complete our commercial prototype, and following that to go through the regulatory process, to bring the first few applications for the battery into the market in less than two years’ time.

Again, they don’t have the huge infrastructure in place. But we don’t need the infrastructure. We don’t need power stations, or power lines, or any of that, to provide power. We’re adamant as a team that we will give back in a major way that today’s infrastructure won’t allow.

Read more for built-in safety controls, etc., etc.

https://newatlas.com/energy/nano-diamond-battery-interview-ndb/

Loz: So in terms of evaluating batteries for use in cars, eVTOLs and things like that, the main metrics seem to be energy density, power density, safety in a crash, that sort of thing. Do you know what sort of figures you’re looking at with these batteries?

Nima: When it comes to energy density, the energy density of a basic radioisotope is far beyond anything else on the market.

When it comes to power density, the solution we have will give a higher level. But compared to the way that energy density is higher, power density is not that much higher. But it’s still significantly better than other batteries in the market.

I suspect that she’s talking out of her arse. The energy density is immense, no issue with that. If this thing could power a vehicle I’ll eat my hat. I suspect the power output will be very small.

sibeen said:

Loz: So in terms of evaluating batteries for use in cars, eVTOLs and things like that, the main metrics seem to be energy density, power density, safety in a crash, that sort of thing. Do you know what sort of figures you’re looking at with these batteries?

Nima: When it comes to energy density, the energy density of a basic radioisotope is far beyond anything else on the market.

When it comes to power density, the solution we have will give a higher level. But compared to the way that energy density is higher, power density is not that much higher. But it’s still significantly better than other batteries in the market.

I suspect that she’s talking out of her arse. The energy density is immense, no issue with that. If this thing could power a vehicle I’ll eat my hat. I suspect the power output will be very small.

Likely.

sibeen said:

Loz: So in terms of evaluating batteries for use in cars, eVTOLs and things like that, the main metrics seem to be energy density, power density, safety in a crash, that sort of thing. Do you know what sort of figures you’re looking at with these batteries?

Nima: When it comes to energy density, the energy density of a basic radioisotope is far beyond anything else on the market.

When it comes to power density, the solution we have will give a higher level. But compared to the way that energy density is higher, power density is not that much higher. But it’s still significantly better than other batteries in the market.

I suspect that she’s talking out of her arse. The energy density is immense, no issue with that. If this thing could power a vehicle I’ll eat my hat. I suspect the power output will be very small.

+1

Might be an idea if you people read the entire article rather than just my very brief summery. You might actually be surprised.

PermeateFree said:

Might be an idea if you people read the entire article rather than just my very brief summery. You might actually be surprised.

Maybe you’ll note that I clipped out of the article and not your notes.

sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

Might be an idea if you people read the entire article rather than just my very brief summery. You might actually be surprised.

Maybe you’ll note that I clipped out of the article and not your notes.

Yes you clipped an extremely small sample. Maybe you are an exceptionally fast reader.

PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

Might be an idea if you people read the entire article rather than just my very brief summery. You might actually be surprised.

Maybe you’ll note that I clipped out of the article and not your notes.

Yes you clipped an extremely small sample. Maybe you are an exceptionally fast reader.

It’s not a very long article. Less than 2800 words.

sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

Maybe you’ll note that I clipped out of the article and not your notes.

Yes you clipped an extremely small sample. Maybe you are an exceptionally fast reader.

It’s not a very long article. Less than 2800 words.

Start up company lies about its capabilities…news at 11.

sibeen said:

Start up company lies about its capabilities…news at 11.

How about a reference or some means of acquiring this news?

sibeen said:

Start up company lies about its capabilities…news at 11.

:)

I’ve penciled it in…

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Start up company lies about its capabilities…news at 11.

:)

I’ve penciled it in…

Yes you have got to check, sibeen has an unfortunate habit of crapping over anything containing future technology. Elon Musk’s achievements is a good example.

From comments on the linked article:

“This is rather hard to believe, but I’m sure there are some caveats. For instance, If the battery is continuously charged, what happens when the battery is fully charged? Nuclear decay does not stop, so where do the electrons go?”

Seems a reasonable question.

Betavoltaics were only invented a couple of years ago. I could foresee them having some applications: low-power supply needs in remote locations in places where PV won’t cut it, for instance.
But some of the claims here are ridiculous.

The Rev Dodgson said:

From comments on the linked article:

“This is rather hard to believe, but I’m sure there are some caveats. For instance, If the battery is continuously charged, what happens when the battery is fully charged? Nuclear decay does not stop, so where do the electrons go?”

Seems a reasonable question.

Might just be figuratively speaking, as the battery would always be fully charged (so to speak).

Imagine Taking A Few Tonnes Of RTGs And Then Shoving Them All Together Into A RPG Dirty Bomb

SCIENCE said:

Imagine Taking A Few Tonnes Of RTGs And Then Shoving Them All Together Into A RPG Dirty Bomb

Not possible with their method of protection and security. The details are contained within the article.

dv said:

Betavoltaics were only invented a couple of years ago. I could foresee them having some applications: low-power supply needs in remote locations in places where PV won’t cut it, for instance.
But some of the claims here are ridiculous.

So, ignoring all real-world technical problems, what would be the upper limit to the energy that could be stored in car battery sized generator of this sort, assuming it was to be used in close proximity to humans and was required to comply with reasonable radiation limits?

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

dv said:

Betavoltaics were only invented a couple of years ago. I could foresee them having some applications: low-power supply needs in remote locations in places where PV won’t cut it, for instance.
But some of the claims here are ridiculous.

TATE says they were invented in the 1970’s.

Quite an interesting article anyway:

Betavoltaics

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

Sheesh, a bog standard car battery will put our 500 watts whilst starting a car.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

Imagine Taking A Few Tonnes Of RTGs And Then Shoving Them All Together Into A RPG Dirty Bomb

Not possible with their method of protection and security. The details are contained within the article.

sorry we couldn’t find mention of “dirty” or “bomb” anywhere in the entire article

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

Sheesh, a bog standard car battery will put our 500 watts whilst starting a car.

Well the blurb on this one says it uses super-capacitors, so the question is how far can you power a car with super-capacitors, and how quickly could it recharge them.

To be practically useful (for a car) it would need to be able to supply the maximum average power requirement over say 1 hour, which means it would be wasting an awful lot of energy all the time the car wasn’t running, or was using low energy.

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

You haven’t read the article, have you?

we won’t comment further on the units used but since you’re all talking about this stuff

https://www.seeker.com/nuclear-waste-and-diamonds-make-batteries-that-last-5000-years-2120412155.html

Also, the amount of electricity generated by the diamond battery is very small, only about 15 joules to the gram. By comparison, a standard AA battery produces about 700 joules to the gram.

The main advantage of the diamond battery is longevity, said Bristol University representative Aliya Mughal in an email exchange. The diamond battery might only put out a fraction of the energy of a standard battery, but with a half-life of 5,730 years, it will put out millions upon millions of joules of energy over that time period.

PermeateFree said:

You haven’t read the article, have you?

we have one for you too, read here Communications From Elsewhere

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

Sheesh, a bog standard car battery will put our 500 watts whilst starting a car.

You get your information from a good reference. Of course there have been no developments in recent years. That’s what I call good science for dinosaurs.

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

Imagine Taking A Few Tonnes Of RTGs And Then Shoving Them All Together Into A RPG Dirty Bomb

Not possible with their method of protection and security. The details are contained within the article.

sorry we couldn’t find mention of “dirty” or “bomb” anywhere in the entire article

No, but you obviously did not read it with any comprehension, otherwise you would not be asking such questions.

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

You haven’t read the article, have you?

Have you read previous forum threads on betavoltaics?

Superconductors would charge way too slowly from a betavoltaic to be of use. 10 seconds to discharge, thirty years to recharge.

Give it a rest PF being your usual difficult self

SCIENCE said:

we won’t comment further on the units used but since you’re all talking about this stuff

https://www.seeker.com/nuclear-waste-and-diamonds-make-batteries-that-last-5000-years-2120412155.html

Also, the amount of electricity generated by the diamond battery is very small, only about 15 joules to the gram. By comparison, a standard AA battery produces about 700 joules to the gram.

The main advantage of the diamond battery is longevity, said Bristol University representative Aliya Mughal in an email exchange. The diamond battery might only put out a fraction of the energy of a standard battery, but with a half-life of 5,730 years, it will put out millions upon millions of joules of energy over that time period.

Power for the seed vaults around the world perhaps

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

Sheesh, a bog standard car battery will put our 500 watts whilst starting a car.

Well the blurb on this one says it uses super-capacitors, so the question is how far can you power a car with super-capacitors, and how quickly could it recharge them.

To be practically useful (for a car) it would need to be able to supply the maximum average power requirement over say 1 hour, which means it would be wasting an awful lot of energy all the time the car wasn’t running, or was using low energy.

Sometime wonder if we are reading the same article, this proposed battery does NOT NEED recharging and is programmed to last a certain period (years) of time..

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

You haven’t read the article, have you?

we have one for you too, read here Communications From Elsewhere

That is obviously the best you can do, which amounts to zero, but I expect no more from you.

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

You haven’t read the article, have you?

Have you read previous forum threads on betavoltaics?

Superconductors would charge way too slowly from a betavoltaic to be of use. 10 seconds to discharge, thirty years to recharge.

NEW! NEW! NEW! Please stop living with the dinosaurs, things change that is how science advances.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

we won’t comment further on the units used but since you’re all talking about this stuff

https://www.seeker.com/nuclear-waste-and-diamonds-make-batteries-that-last-5000-years-2120412155.html

Also, the amount of electricity generated by the diamond battery is very small, only about 15 joules to the gram. By comparison, a standard AA battery produces about 700 joules to the gram.

The main advantage of the diamond battery is longevity, said Bristol University representative Aliya Mughal in an email exchange. The diamond battery might only put out a fraction of the energy of a standard battery, but with a half-life of 5,730 years, it will put out millions upon millions of joules of energy over that time period.

Power for the seed vaults around the world perhaps

Cymek, please don’t take this shit from these people. Read the article for yourself and make your own decision.

The Rev Dodgson said:

From comments on the linked article:

“This is rather hard to believe, but I’m sure there are some caveats. For instance, If the battery is continuously charged, what happens when the battery is fully charged? Nuclear decay does not stop, so where do the electrons go?”

Seems a reasonable question.

this isn’t a battery, really. It’s a betavoltaic cell.

This thing is radioactive. Beta particles go into the environment, just as those, for instance, from your bones do.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

we won’t comment further on the units used but since you’re all talking about this stuff

https://www.seeker.com/nuclear-waste-and-diamonds-make-batteries-that-last-5000-years-2120412155.html

Also, the amount of electricity generated by the diamond battery is very small, only about 15 joules to the gram. By comparison, a standard AA battery produces about 700 joules to the gram.

The main advantage of the diamond battery is longevity, said Bristol University representative Aliya Mughal in an email exchange. The diamond battery might only put out a fraction of the energy of a standard battery, but with a half-life of 5,730 years, it will put out millions upon millions of joules of energy over that time period.

Power for the seed vaults around the world perhaps

Cymek, please don’t take this shit from these people. Read the article for yourself and make your own decision.

I wasn’t and I will,I was trying to think of something that could use a long term power supply.
Seed vaults are designed for long term preservation of seed stock

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

OK, betavoltaics again. This pops up on the forum from time to time.

1 microwatt from a betavoltaic battery is considered good.

There are plenty of normal batteries capable of producing 100 watts of power.

So that sort of means that a betavoltaic battery can produce a maximum of 0.000001% of the power of a conventional battery. Calling this “unlimited” is sort of hype.

Betavoltaics still can have a use, for trickle charging conventional batteries on spacecraft.

Sheesh, a bog standard car battery will put our 500 watts whilst starting a car.

probably range 120 -180Amps at ~11+ Volts come near, so 1.3KW – 2KW and upwards i’d guess, not sure

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Not possible with their method of protection and security. The details are contained within the article.

sorry we couldn’t find mention of “dirty” or “bomb” anywhere in the entire article

No, but you obviously did not read it with any comprehension, otherwise you would not be asking such questions.

Who is compréhension ¿ We only read it with others’ condescension ¡

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

From comments on the linked article:

“This is rather hard to believe, but I’m sure there are some caveats. For instance, If the battery is continuously charged, what happens when the battery is fully charged? Nuclear decay does not stop, so where do the electrons go?”

Seems a reasonable question.

this isn’t a battery, really. It’s a betavoltaic cell.

This thing is radioactive. Beta particles go into the environment, just as those, for instance, from your bones do.

I took it as more a question about what happens to all the surplus energy when it isn’t being used.

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

sorry we couldn’t find mention of “dirty” or “bomb” anywhere in the entire article

No, but you obviously did not read it with any comprehension, otherwise you would not be asking such questions.

Who is compréhension ¿ We only read it with others’ condescension ¡

Science, you have been targeting me now for several weeks. I know why you are doing it and those who are egging you on. What you should know science is they are only using you, you are one of their disposable pawns where it does not matter if you win or lose, you are not important other than for what you can to do for them. You are never going to be included in their little club as you are not bright enough. Just thought you ought to realise how you are being viewed by some here, they aren’t nice and don’t play nice.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

No, but you obviously did not read it with any comprehension, otherwise you would not be asking such questions.

Who is compréhension ¿ We only read it with others’ condescension ¡

Science, you have been targeting me now for several weeks. I know why you are doing it and those who are egging you on. What you should know science is they are only using you, you are one of their disposable pawns where it does not matter if you win or lose, you are not important other than for what you can to do for them. You are never going to be included in their little club as you are not bright enough. Just thought you ought to realise how you are being viewed by some here, they aren’t nice and don’t play nice.

giggles

I thought this was going to be about Dan Andrews.

Peak Warming Man said:

I thought this was going to be about Dan Andrews.

Don’t be knocking Chairman Dan now…

Old mate Thunderf00t rips into the battery in this video

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Betavoltaics were only invented a couple of years ago. I could foresee them having some applications: low-power supply needs in remote locations in places where PV won’t cut it, for instance.
But some of the claims here are ridiculous.

TATE says they were invented in the 1970’s.

Quite an interesting article anyway:

Betavoltaics

soz, I meant the diamond-like bv technology

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

Who is compréhension ¿ We only read it with others’ condescension ¡

Science, you have been targeting me now for several weeks. I know why you are doing it and those who are egging you on. What you should know science is they are only using you, you are one of their disposable pawns where it does not matter if you win or lose, you are not important other than for what you can to do for them. You are never going to be included in their little club as you are not bright enough. Just thought you ought to realise how you are being viewed by some here, they aren’t nice and don’t play nice.

giggles

do they mean tool

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Science, you have been targeting me now for several weeks. I know why you are doing it and those who are egging you on. What you should know science is they are only using you, you are one of their disposable pawns where it does not matter if you win or lose, you are not important other than for what you can to do for them. You are never going to be included in their little club as you are not bright enough. Just thought you ought to realise how you are being viewed by some here, they aren’t nice and don’t play nice.

giggles

do they mean tool

I think you’re OK.

(got to keep the minions happy)

NDB, Inc. Announces Major Technological Laboratory Breakthrough for the First Universal, Self-Charging Nano Diamond Battery

NDB, Inc., creator of the first and only universal,self-charging, proprietary nano diamond battery (NDB) that provides up to thousands of years of charge, announced completion of two successful Proofs of Concept tests of the NDB battery at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the Cavendish Laboratory at Cambridge University. NDB’s battery achieved a breakthrough 40% charge, a significant improvement over commercial diamonds, which have only 15% charge collection efficiency. NDB also announced its first two beta customers, including a leader in nuclear fuel cycle products and services and a leading global aerospace, defense and security manufacturing company. Development of the first NDB commercial prototype battery is currently underway and will be available later this year.

NDB’s proprietary, universal, self-charging battery that provides a charge for the entire lifetime of a device or machine, with up to 28,000 years of battery life.Poised to completely transform the concept of energy, NDB can power devices and machines of any size, from aircraft and rockets to electric vehicles, hearing aids, smartphones, sensors and more, all with no carbon emissions. With nanotechnology rooted in industry-leading science, NDB has closed the energy supply and demand gap, solving one of the largest problems facing society today.

“Our team is bringing together leaders in the nanotechnology,nuclear science and diamond fields with military, academic and research backgrounds, and combining our unique mix of expertise has made it possible for us to crack the code in developing this ground breaking, life-changing solution,” said Nima Golsharifi, CEO and co-founder of NDB. “Moreover,as members of society, we are extremely concerned about the welfare of the planet and are focused on lowering climate change to protect our planet for future generations. With the NDB battery, we have achieved a massive, groundbreaking, proprietary technological breakthrough of a battery that is emission-free,lasts thousands of years and only requires access to natural air in order to power devices.”

NDB’s two Proof of Concepts of the NDB battery were led by University of Cambridge physicist, 2019 Institute of Physics Isaac Newton Medal winner and father of semiconductors Professor Sir Michael Pepper. In both Proof of Concepts, NDB’s proprietary battery achieved a breakthrough of a 40% charge,which is a significant improvement over commercial diamonds, which have a 15% charge collection efficiency. This is a result of its proprietary nanodiamond surface treatment that actively extracts the electric charge from the diamond, allowing the battery to make use of significantly more power than any other battery before it.

Current major energy and power sources include fossil fuels, alternative and renewable energies, and lithium ion batteries, all which have their limitations.Unlike fossil fuels and lithium ion batteries, which use conflict-sourced materials, are not eco-friendly and are running out of supply, NDB creates energy from recycled waste, only requires access to natural air in order to power devices and machines and does not produce any emissions or destructive by-products that could harm the environment. While renewable energy sources such as solar panels are dependent on weather to generate energy, NDB is weather and climate independent. Also, unlike lithium ion batteries,which constantly need to be recharged and have a limited lifetime, NDB can operate without an external power source and its charge lasts the entire lifetime of a device or machine.

https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-components/aircraft-airframe-accessories/batteries/press-release/21149354/nbd-inc-ndb-inc-announces-major-technological-laboratory-breakthrough-for-the-first-universal-selfcharging-nano-diamond-battery

PermeateFree said:

NDB, Inc. Announces Major Technological Laboratory Breakthrough for the First Universal, Self-Charging Nano Diamond Battery

NDB, Inc., creator of the first and only universal,self-charging, proprietary nano diamond battery (NDB) that provides up to thousands of years of charge, announced completion of two successful Proofs of Concept tests of the NDB battery at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the Cavendish Laboratory at Cambridge University. NDB’s battery achieved a breakthrough 40% charge, a significant improvement over commercial diamonds, which have only 15% charge collection efficiency. NDB also announced its first two beta customers, including a leader in nuclear fuel cycle products and services and a leading global aerospace, defense and security manufacturing company. Development of the first NDB commercial prototype battery is currently underway and will be available later this year.

NDB’s proprietary, universal, self-charging battery that provides a charge for the entire lifetime of a device or machine, with up to 28,000 years of battery life.Poised to completely transform the concept of energy, NDB can power devices and machines of any size, from aircraft and rockets to electric vehicles, hearing aids, smartphones, sensors and more, all with no carbon emissions. With nanotechnology rooted in industry-leading science, NDB has closed the energy supply and demand gap, solving one of the largest problems facing society today.

“Our team is bringing together leaders in the nanotechnology,nuclear science and diamond fields with military, academic and research backgrounds, and combining our unique mix of expertise has made it possible for us to crack the code in developing this ground breaking, life-changing solution,” said Nima Golsharifi, CEO and co-founder of NDB. “Moreover,as members of society, we are extremely concerned about the welfare of the planet and are focused on lowering climate change to protect our planet for future generations. With the NDB battery, we have achieved a massive, groundbreaking, proprietary technological breakthrough of a battery that is emission-free,lasts thousands of years and only requires access to natural air in order to power devices.”

NDB’s two Proof of Concepts of the NDB battery were led by University of Cambridge physicist, 2019 Institute of Physics Isaac Newton Medal winner and father of semiconductors Professor Sir Michael Pepper. In both Proof of Concepts, NDB’s proprietary battery achieved a breakthrough of a 40% charge,which is a significant improvement over commercial diamonds, which have a 15% charge collection efficiency. This is a result of its proprietary nanodiamond surface treatment that actively extracts the electric charge from the diamond, allowing the battery to make use of significantly more power than any other battery before it.

Current major energy and power sources include fossil fuels, alternative and renewable energies, and lithium ion batteries, all which have their limitations.Unlike fossil fuels and lithium ion batteries, which use conflict-sourced materials, are not eco-friendly and are running out of supply, NDB creates energy from recycled waste, only requires access to natural air in order to power devices and machines and does not produce any emissions or destructive by-products that could harm the environment. While renewable energy sources such as solar panels are dependent on weather to generate energy, NDB is weather and climate independent. Also, unlike lithium ion batteries,which constantly need to be recharged and have a limited lifetime, NDB can operate without an external power source and its charge lasts the entire lifetime of a device or machine.

https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-components/aircraft-airframe-accessories/batteries/press-release/21149354/nbd-inc-ndb-inc-announces-major-technological-laboratory-breakthrough-for-the-first-universal-selfcharging-nano-diamond-battery

Batteries using nanotech are definitely the way to go. The problem with them in the past has been fouling of the nanostructures leading to very limited lifetime. However, I have heard recently that the fouling problem has been mostly or completely overcome. Diamond based nanotech would minimise fouling because of the thermal and chemical inertness of pure carbon.

I can’t say much about the self-charging, though. Have they heard of perpetual motion machines?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-27/top-10-worlds-deadliest-snake-invades-home-in-australia/12596318

The smell of rodent invasions takes a long time and a lot of cleaning to remove.

oops wong fred.

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

Why does he need to yell? Is it to make sure you hear him?

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

Um… How? Scaling up?

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

I’d find that very, very unlikely :)

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

I’d find that very, very unlikely :)

Even with the Cullinian?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

Um… How? Scaling up?

Well if I knew how I’d be richer than a musk rat, wouldn’t I.

Not just scaling up though. They need to get more power/mass.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

Um… How? Scaling up?

Well if I knew how I’d be richer than a musk rat, wouldn’t I.

Not just scaling up though. They need to get more power/mass.

Indeed. :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

So unlimited in this case means: Not very much but for a long time.

Tamb said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

So unlimited in this case means: Not very much but for a long time.

Would/could it work to power space probes

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, he does go on a bit though.

Lasted 5 minutes.

but only because I’m eating breakfast.

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

So if you had the maximum possible concentration of radioactive material, and 100% efficiency in converting emissions to electric current, what would be the power output of a chip sized generator like those shown?

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

So unlimited in this case means: Not very much but for a long time.

Would/could it work to power space probes

They do, don’t they?

furious said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

So unlimited in this case means: Not very much but for a long time.

Would/could it work to power space probes

They do, don’t they?

Something similar isn’t it

Cymek said:

furious said:

Cymek said:

Would/could it work to power space probes

They do, don’t they?

Something similar isn’t it

Not a lot of detail but:

Betavoltaic device – Applications

“The primary use for betavoltaics is for remote and long-term use, such as spacecraft requiring electrical power for a decade or two.”

Tamb said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

To apply an appropriate level of scepticallity to both sides of the discussion, is it possible that these people have found a way to get a few orders of magnitude more power out of these things?

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

So unlimited in this case means: Not very much but for a long time.

Right.

Though again, not indefinitely, but for thousands of years.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

So unlimited in this case means: Not very much but for a long time.

Would/could it work to power space probes

It’s not going to be able to compete with photovoltaics in the inner solar system so it would basically come down to an assessment of how it compares to existing radioisotope generators in the outer solar system: particularly, how it compares on a power/weight basis.

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

I get a weird security warning when I visit that page

dv said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

I get a weird security warning when I visit that page

He’s probably trying to hack you.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

I get a weird security warning when I visit that page

Same here, but I clicked the video link anyway.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

I get a weird security warning when I visit that page

Weird, I went there earlier and it was fine but after you mentioned that I went again and also got a security warning…

dv said:

sibeen said:

Dave Jones over on the EEVblog has just done a video.

https://www.eevblog.com/2020/08/28/eevblog-1333-nano-diamond-self-charging-battery-debunked/

I get a weird security warning when I visit that page

I got it this morning as well. First time it has happened.

dv said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

I mean it is limited by the power of the emissions.

So unlimited in this case means: Not very much but for a long time.

Right.

Though again, not indefinitely, but for thousands of years.

can we interest you in this not-car-but-carnot engine we have here