https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

That annoying cold that mrs m and I have been swapping back and forth is as bad as ever.

mollwollfumble said:

That annoying cold that mrs m and I have been swapping back and forth is as bad as ever.

Lucky you.

I think you are just trolling with that.

70 new cases in Vic today.

What’s the best thing about Covid-19?

For me, I live opposite a primary school. So during Covid it’s a delight to be actually able to get dressed in my bedroom.

mollwollfumble said:

What’s the best thing about Covid-19?

For me, I live opposite a primary school. So during Covid it’s a delight to be actually able to get dressed in my bedroom.

With the curtains open ?

Ms Berejiklian said she was hesitant to ever close the border and did not want it closed for a day longer than necessary.

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¡ imagine if politicians had the guts to say, we’re hesitant to let deadly viruses ever spread, and do not want them to spread for a day longer than necessary !

SCIENCE said:

Ms Berejiklian said she was hesitant to ever close the border and did not want it closed for a day longer than necessary.

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¡ imagine if politicians had the guts to say, we’re hesitant to let deadly viruses ever spread, and do not want them to spread for a day longer than necessary !

Gladys does what she’s told.

Warnings are in place for a number of bus and train routes across Sydney, but Premier Gladys Berejiklian is still resisting calls to mandate masks on public transport.

“So many of the cases have common places of contact at hospitality venues … restaurants and cafes and places of worship have been far more prone ,” she said.

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¡ imagine if there was a 14 day delay between exposure and cases, and by the time it shows up in a given part of society and politicians start considering the merits of preventing disease, it’s already had the chance to amplify up by 30 times in the place you thought it wasn’t !

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Ms Berejiklian said she was hesitant to ever close the border and did not want it closed for a day longer than necessary.

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¡ imagine if politicians had the guts to say, we’re hesitant to let deadly viruses ever spread, and do not want them to spread for a day longer than necessary !

Gladys does what she’s told.

preferably by good health experts but yeah unfortunately here we are

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Ms Berejiklian said she was hesitant to ever close the border and did not want it closed for a day longer than necessary.

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¡ imagine if politicians had the guts to say, we’re hesitant to let deadly viruses ever spread, and do not want them to spread for a day longer than necessary !

Gladys does what she’s told.

preferably by good health experts but yeah unfortunately here we are

By the business lobby and the Federal Libs.

I reckon that Gladys has an eye on a move from State to Federal politics, and she’s keen to win friends and influence people, not make waves.

more criminals

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A 48-year-old man who tested positive for coronavirus in Victoria and was wanted by authorities has been stopped by police while trying to enter Queensland.

The man arrived in Brisbane on Monday morning on Jetstar flight JQ560 and is now in quarantine.

¡ it’s almost as if the better you control your pandemics, the better your housing market holds up !

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-01/melbourne-leads-house-price-drop-other-cities-recover-from-covid/12615998

Above: red by square root of cases per population relative to maximum (New South China).

Below: original graphic.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-01/how-did-new-zealands-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak-begin/12616632

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12612130

I can see that window from the building I work in its opposite the law courts

I’m seeing a lot of explanatory statements like “Extending the state of emergency does not mean existing restrictions will stay in place. But it allows the Chief Health Officer to issue enforceable public health directives as needed, such as requiring COVID-positive people to self-isolate.” in the media about increasing the maximum allowable time in State of Emergency. It’s been going on for several days. Clearly there’s a lot of people who still don’t get it.

‘Zombie’ Herman Cain Tweets That Coronavirus ‘Not As Deadly’ As Media SaidThe former presidential candidate died of the virus in July, but his family continues to tweet conspiracy theories from his account.

The Twitter account formerly used by the late Herman Cain fired off a head-scratching message on Sunday, insisting that the coronavirus “isn’t as deadly” as once thought.

Cain died in July at the age of 74 after being hospitalized for more than a month with the COVID-19 infection. 

https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/herman-cain-coronavirus-not-as-deadly_n_5f4ca08fc5b64f17e13fc8b4?ri18n=true&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

From 28 September 2020, businesses and not-for-profits seeking to claim JobKeeper Payment will be required to re-assess their eligibility for the JobKeeper extension with reference to their actual turnover. The JobKeeper extension will be available to qualifying businesses and not-for-profits from 28 September 2020 until 28 March 2021.

The ATO is administering the JobKeeper Payment and detailed information and guidance on JobKeeper is available on the ATO website.External link (opens in same window)

Support for workers and households

The government is temporarily expanding eligibility to income support payments and establishing a new, time-limited coronavirus (COVID-19) supplement to be paid at a rate of $550 per fortnight The government will allow individuals in financial stress as a result of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic to access up to $10,000 of their superannuation in 2019-20 and a further $10,000 in 2020-21.

For information on the Australian Government’s economic response to coronavirus (COVID-19) refer to: https://treasury.gov.au/coronavirusExternal link (opens in same window).

Restaurant that offers Bibles to customers shut by health officials

AN INDIANA barbecue restaurant ‘owned by God’ and run by Jesus-besotted Matt Yergler has been closed by the Wells County Department of Health for failing to comply with COVID-19 safely rules.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2020/08/restaurant-that-offers-bibles-to-customers-shut-by-health-officials/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/victorias-state-of-emergency-extension-passing-upper-house/12618442

thank fk for social workers

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/victorias-state-of-emergency-extension-passing-upper-house/12618442

thank fk for social workers

Good. It’s not safe to reduce restrictions when the death rate is within a week of the highest ever.

On the other hand, fuck anti-expertise, as has already been said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-01/tony-abbott-urges-against-coronavirus-restrictions-uk-covid-19/12619264

Mr Abbott argued governments had shifted from trying to flatten the curve to achieving zero community transmission, a move he said had been justified by following the medical advice of “unaccountable experts.”

SCIENCE said:

On the other hand, fuck anti-expertise, as has already been said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-01/tony-abbott-urges-against-coronavirus-restrictions-uk-covid-19/12619264

Mr Abbott argued governments had shifted from trying to flatten the curve to achieving zero community transmission, a move he said had been justified by following the medical advice of “unaccountable experts.”

So. He’ll fit right in everywhere he goes won’t he?

Bubblecar said:

Restaurant that offers Bibles to customers shut by health officials

AN INDIANA barbecue restaurant ‘owned by God’ and run by Jesus-besotted Matt Yergler has been closed by the Wells County Department of Health for failing to comply with COVID-19 safely rules.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2020/08/restaurant-that-offers-bibles-to-customers-shut-by-health-officials/

What did God have to say?

There’s been a bit of argument in the public discourse about the Victorian government asking parliament for an extension of the aggregate time the state can be under a declared State of Emergency. No other states or territories have a time limit, but for some reason, Vic decided six months seemed about right. Now that the six months is coming to a close, the issue is pressing because the virus doesn’t seem to understand the need for a legal basis for the Chief Health Officer’s rules.

Now that you’ve got the background:

ABC Melbourne has been fueling argument and spreading misinformation about what the government is asking for, and what effect it will have. A proposed amendment went to parliament last night and was passed, allowing an increase in aggregate time from six to twelve months (declared, as it always has been, four weeks at a time). The ABC has produced several articles that are wrong about some of the more important details, and inflammatory. Grrrrr.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

90 new cases and six deaths.

Mini Me has been complaining of a sore tummy lately. I thought it was constipation but maybe it’s COVID.

Queensland coronavirus case of nurse with abdominal pain highlights some symptoms are rare

Reuters
Queenslanders have been encouraged to get tested for coronavirus if they experience fever, dry cough or tiredness but one of the state’s latest cases has shone a light on the less-common symptoms of the virus.

Yesterday, a 37-year-old man who worked as a nurse at Ipswich Hospital tested positive for COVID-19 after experiencing abdominal pain.

Health Minister Steven Miles acknowledged this as one of the rarer symptoms of coronavirus.

“He had identified abdominal pain, which is not normally considered a symptom of COVID-19, but he was incredibly wise and he identified that could have been a symptom and he went and got tested,” Mr Miles said.

Rule 303 said:

There’s been a bit of argument in the public discourse about the Victorian government asking parliament for an extension of the aggregate time the state can be under a declared State of Emergency. No other states or territories have a time limit, but for some reason, Vic decided six months seemed about right. Now that the six months is coming to a close, the issue is pressing because the virus doesn’t seem to understand the need for a legal basis for the Chief Health Officer’s rules.

Now that you’ve got the background:

ABC Melbourne has been fueling argument and spreading misinformation about what the government is asking for, and what effect it will have. A proposed amendment went to parliament last night and was passed, allowing an increase in aggregate time from six to twelve months (declared, as it always has been, four weeks at a time). The ABC has produced several articles that are wrong about some of the more important details, and inflammatory. Grrrrr.

have you pointed this out to the ABC?

ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s been a bit of argument in the public discourse about the Victorian government asking parliament for an extension of the aggregate time the state can be under a declared State of Emergency. No other states or territories have a time limit, but for some reason, Vic decided six months seemed about right. Now that the six months is coming to a close, the issue is pressing because the virus doesn’t seem to understand the need for a legal basis for the Chief Health Officer’s rules.

Now that you’ve got the background:

ABC Melbourne has been fueling argument and spreading misinformation about what the government is asking for, and what effect it will have. A proposed amendment went to parliament last night and was passed, allowing an increase in aggregate time from six to twelve months (declared, as it always has been, four weeks at a time). The ABC has produced several articles that are wrong about some of the more important details, and inflammatory. Grrrrr.

have you pointed this out to the ABC?

Not yet, but other people have made feeble attempts at asking for corrections in comments on social media pages and such.

ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s been a bit of argument in the public discourse about the Victorian government asking parliament for an extension of the aggregate time the state can be under a declared State of Emergency. No other states or territories have a time limit, but for some reason, Vic decided six months seemed about right. Now that the six months is coming to a close, the issue is pressing because the virus doesn’t seem to understand the need for a legal basis for the Chief Health Officer’s rules.

Now that you’ve got the background:

ABC Melbourne has been fueling argument and spreading misinformation about what the government is asking for, and what effect it will have. A proposed amendment went to parliament last night and was passed, allowing an increase in aggregate time from six to twelve months (declared, as it always has been, four weeks at a time). The ABC has produced several articles that are wrong about some of the more important details, and inflammatory. Grrrrr.

have you pointed this out to the ABC?

A message to Media Watch might be an idea.

He usually gives a balanced presentation on criticism of the ABC.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

90 new cases and six deaths.

Mini Me has been complaining of a sore tummy lately. I thought it was constipation but maybe it’s COVID.

Queensland coronavirus case of nurse with abdominal pain highlights some symptoms are rare

Reuters
Queenslanders have been encouraged to get tested for coronavirus if they experience fever, dry cough or tiredness but one of the state’s latest cases has shone a light on the less-common symptoms of the virus.

Yesterday, a 37-year-old man who worked as a nurse at Ipswich Hospital tested positive for COVID-19 after experiencing abdominal pain.

Health Minister Steven Miles acknowledged this as one of the rarer symptoms of coronavirus.

“He had identified abdominal pain, which is not normally considered a symptom of COVID-19, but he was incredibly wise and he identified that could have been a symptom and he went and got tested,” Mr Miles said.

Incredibly wise.

tut

ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s been a bit of argument in the public discourse about the Victorian government asking parliament for an extension of the aggregate time the state can be under a declared State of Emergency. No other states or territories have a time limit, but for some reason, Vic decided six months seemed about right. Now that the six months is coming to a close, the issue is pressing because the virus doesn’t seem to understand the need for a legal basis for the Chief Health Officer’s rules.

Now that you’ve got the background:

ABC Melbourne has been fueling argument and spreading misinformation about what the government is asking for, and what effect it will have. A proposed amendment went to parliament last night and was passed, allowing an increase in aggregate time from six to twelve months (declared, as it always has been, four weeks at a time). The ABC has produced several articles that are wrong about some of the more important details, and inflammatory. Grrrrr.

have you pointed this out to the ABC?

And really, this should probably be viewed as another nail in the Health Dept Community Education coffin, which you might recall me saying (about 20 times) they’re utterly shit at.

Australia’s seven-day coronavirus case average drops below 100

ABC reporter Steph Ferrier, in Melbourne, gives some context on the 90 new cases in Victoria. “That is a third day in a row we have fallen below 100. It is another 20 on top of what we saw yesterday, however, it is important to note that our 7-day average has now, for the first time in many weeks, dropped below 100. Our 7-day average is now just 95. And that compared with 175 a week prior to that. That’s a really good sign the trajectory is continuing to go down and that’s exactly what we want to be seeing as we’re nearing the end of these lockdowns,” she said.

For those that have been noticing higher case numbers on Wednesdays, you may be onto something.

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Don’t worry Economy Must Growers, we have it on somewhat reliable sources that NSW is about to hit the launch button on the next state to have a “second wave”, can’t be sure yet of course but soon you’ll all have another chance to Die For The Economy!!1!!!

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s seven-day coronavirus case average drops below 100

ABC reporter Steph Ferrier, in Melbourne, gives some context on the 90 new cases in Victoria. “That is a third day in a row we have fallen below 100. It is another 20 on top of what we saw yesterday, however, it is important to note that our 7-day average has now, for the first time in many weeks, dropped below 100. Our 7-day average is now just 95. And that compared with 175 a week prior to that. That’s a really good sign the trajectory is continuing to go down and that’s exactly what we want to be seeing as we’re nearing the end of these lockdowns,” she said.

For those that have been noticing higher case numbers on Wednesdays, you may be onto something.

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Don’t worry Economy Must Growers, we have it on somewhat reliable sources that NSW is about to hit the launch button on the next state to have a “second wave”, can’t be sure yet of course but soon you’ll all have another chance to Die For The Economy!!1!!!

Suits up for another battle.

Rule 303 said:

There’s been a bit of argument in the public discourse about the Victorian government asking parliament for an extension of the aggregate time the state can be under a declared State of Emergency. No other states or territories have a time limit, but for some reason, Vic decided six months seemed about right. Now that the six months is coming to a close, the issue is pressing because the virus doesn’t seem to understand the need for a legal basis for the Chief Health Officer’s rules.

Now that you’ve got the background:

ABC Melbourne has been fueling argument and spreading misinformation about what the government is asking for, and what effect it will have. A proposed amendment went to parliament last night and was passed, allowing an increase in aggregate time from six to twelve months (declared, as it always has been, four weeks at a time). The ABC has produced several articles that are wrong about some of the more important details, and inflammatory. Grrrrr.

This would never have happened if Jon Faine hadn’t retired….

(Goodness you lot have been chatty while I’ve been filling Auntie Annie’s FOGO bin with Auntie Annie’s weeds)

¿ remember how masks were supposed to increase the chance of infection because people would be more complacent, more touchy with their face, and more spat on by racists fascists ?

¡ well, now some public health experts tell us that more testing will make the pandemic worse !

Apparently (1) doing some extra tests on general asymptomatic public must only happen in a way that clogs the system and delay results; and (2) wider testing criteria still won’t catch people actively avoiding testing, so it’s obviously useless.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/call-coronavirus-covid-19-tests-melbourne-victoria-no-symptoms/12619154

SCIENCE said:

¿ remember how masks were supposed to increase the chance of infection because people would be more complacent, more touchy with their face, and more spat on by racists fascists ?

¡ well, now some public health experts tell us that more testing will make the pandemic worse !

Apparently (1) doing some extra tests on general asymptomatic public must only happen in a way that clogs the system and delay results; and (2) wider testing criteria still won’t catch people actively avoiding testing, so it’s obviously useless.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/call-coronavirus-covid-19-tests-melbourne-victoria-no-symptoms/12619154

Was it Tony Abbott said that?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ remember how masks were supposed to increase the chance of infection because people would be more complacent, more touchy with their face, and more spat on by racists fascists ?

¡ well, now some public health experts tell us that more testing will make the pandemic worse !

Apparently (1) doing some extra tests on general asymptomatic public must only happen in a way that clogs the system and delay results; and (2) wider testing criteria still won’t catch people actively avoiding testing, so it’s obviously useless.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/call-coronavirus-covid-19-tests-melbourne-victoria-no-symptoms/12619154

Was it Tony Abbott said that?

It was Professor Maximilian de Courten, health policy lead at Victoria University’s Mitchell Institute. We present the information here because we think PMdC is wrong.

In short:
(1) the epidemiologist quoted earlier in the article seems to be pretty clear that wider testing is useful when capacity is relatively greater than caseload, which is the direction things are going;
(2) wider testing will very much catch the contacts of active avoiders, so we argue that short-sighted assertions to “test only to find exactly what you are looking for” are poor public health policy.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ remember how masks were supposed to increase the chance of infection because people would be more complacent, more touchy with their face, and more spat on by racists fascists ?

¡ well, now some public health experts tell us that more testing will make the pandemic worse !

Apparently (1) doing some extra tests on general asymptomatic public must only happen in a way that clogs the system and delay results; and (2) wider testing criteria still won’t catch people actively avoiding testing, so it’s obviously useless.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/call-coronavirus-covid-19-tests-melbourne-victoria-no-symptoms/12619154

Was it Tony Abbott said that?

It was Professor Maximilian de Courten, health policy lead at Victoria University’s Mitchell Institute. We present the information here because we think PMdC is wrong.

In short:
(1) the epidemiologist quoted earlier in the article seems to be pretty clear that wider testing is useful when capacity is relatively greater than caseload, which is the direction things are going;
(2) wider testing will very much catch the contacts of active avoiders, so we argue that short-sighted assertions to “test only to find exactly what you are looking for” are poor public health policy.

Well he should get Tony to repeat it and it will all be fixed.

In this article, separate to You Must Die For The Economy Must Grow, they make a Connection Between Lockdown And Suicide. They seem to stop short of blaming lockdown and calling for its immediate termination. They also avoid giving estimates of the Mental Health Cost Of Uncontrolled Pandemic Spread, which in a society like Victoria may include death or incapacitation (permanent or otherwise) of mental health staff, as well as death or incapacitation (permanent or otherwise) of emotionally close associates of potential mental health patients.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/mental-health-crisis-coronavirus-victoria-lifeline-calls-rise/12588500

Washington (CNN)The United States will not participate in an international effort to develop and distribute a coronavirus vaccine because the initiative is tied to the World Health Organization, the White House said Tuesday.

The decision, which comes at a critical point in the US coronavirus response, with cases topping 6 million, will keep the US isolated from the more 170 countries involved in the COVAX initiative working to provide worldwide access to an effective vaccine.

“The United States will continue to engage our international partners to ensure we defeat this virus, but we will not be constrained by multilateral organizations influenced by the corrupt World Health Organization and China,” White House spokesperson Judd Deere said in a statement.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-world-health-organization/index.html

dv said:

Washington (CNN)The United States will not participate in an international effort to develop and distribute a coronavirus vaccine because the initiative is tied to the World Health Organization, the White House said Tuesday.

The decision, which comes at a critical point in the US coronavirus response, with cases topping 6 million, will keep the US isolated from the more 170 countries involved in the COVAX initiative working to provide worldwide access to an effective vaccine.

“The United States will continue to engage our international partners to ensure we defeat this virus, but we will not be constrained by multilateral organizations influenced by the corrupt World Health Organization and China,” White House spokesperson Judd Deere said in a statement.

—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-world-health-organization/index.html

Wasn’t the UN and WHO and UNESCO things the USA used own?

Washington (CNN)A different approach toward the coronavirus pandemic is taking hold at the White House, as newcomer adviser Dr. Scott Atlas eclipses Dr. Anthony Fauci in influence and President Donald Trump and aides are resigned to the virus’ inevitable spread.

Internal struggles among the medical advisers have divided the White House for weeks, with advisers like Fauci and other members of the task force pushing a forward-leaning stance on coronavirus against resistance from the top down. Now, with two months to go until the election, the White House is focused on reopening the economy and mitigating the virus to a limited extent, or just enough to keep hospitals from being completely overwhelmed.P

They’re doing it with the imprimatur of Atlas, a neuroradiologist whose voice within the White House is drowning out task force members the public had come to know and trust. Task force meetings are growing more infrequent, ostensibly because its head, Vice President Mike Pence, is often out of town on campaign trips. When the panel does meet, Fauci may or may not be present, and at least one major policy decision was rendered in his absence when he was under anesthesia having a polyp removed from his vocal cord.

Atlas has rejected the need for widespread community testing, arguing that the administration should focus almost exclusively on protecting and testing elderly populations while pushing for the rest of the economy to return to normal, this official said

P“Everything he says and does points toward herd immunity,” the senior administration official said.

Those views have caused clashes between Atlas and medical experts, namely Birx, with whom Atlas has clashed several times, according to one official.

When a controversial decision was debated among task force members last month to change US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines on testing people without symptoms, Atlas sat across the Situation Room table from Birx to advocate for the move. Fauci, who expressed concern about the changes, was in surgery.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/white-house-coronavirus-response-atlas-fauci/index.html

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Washington (CNN)The United States will not participate in an international effort to develop and distribute a coronavirus vaccine because the initiative is tied to the World Health Organization, the White House said Tuesday.

The decision, which comes at a critical point in the US coronavirus response, with cases topping 6 million, will keep the US isolated from the more 170 countries involved in the COVAX initiative working to provide worldwide access to an effective vaccine.

“The United States will continue to engage our international partners to ensure we defeat this virus, but we will not be constrained by multilateral organizations influenced by the corrupt World Health Organization and China,” White House spokesperson Judd Deere said in a statement.

—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-world-health-organization/index.html

Wasn’t the UN and WHO and UNESCO things the USA used own?

I don’t think so.

dv said:

Washington (CNN)A different approach toward the coronavirus pandemic is taking hold at the White House, as newcomer adviser Dr. Scott Atlas eclipses Dr. Anthony Fauci in influence and President Donald Trump and aides are resigned to the virus’ inevitable spread.

Internal struggles among the medical advisers have divided the White House for weeks, with advisers like Fauci and other members of the task force pushing a forward-leaning stance on coronavirus against resistance from the top down. Now, with two months to go until the election, the White House is focused on reopening the economy and mitigating the virus to a limited extent, or just enough to keep hospitals from being completely overwhelmed.P

They’re doing it with the imprimatur of Atlas, a neuroradiologist whose voice within the White House is drowning out task force members the public had come to know and trust. Task force meetings are growing more infrequent, ostensibly because its head, Vice President Mike Pence, is often out of town on campaign trips. When the panel does meet, Fauci may or may not be present, and at least one major policy decision was rendered in his absence when he was under anesthesia having a polyp removed from his vocal cord.

Atlas has rejected the need for widespread community testing, arguing that the administration should focus almost exclusively on protecting and testing elderly populations while pushing for the rest of the economy to return to normal, this official said

P“Everything he says and does points toward herd immunity,” the senior administration official said.

Those views have caused clashes between Atlas and medical experts, namely Birx, with whom Atlas has clashed several times, according to one official.

When a controversial decision was debated among task force members last month to change US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines on testing people without symptoms, Atlas sat across the Situation Room table from Birx to advocate for the move. Fauci, who expressed concern about the changes, was in surgery.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/white-house-coronavirus-response-atlas-fauci/index.html

That sounds like what Rupert’s people are pushing this week

dv said:

Washington (CNN)The United States will not participate in an international effort to develop and distribute a coronavirus vaccine because the initiative is tied to the World Health Organization, the White House said Tuesday.

The decision, which comes at a critical point in the US coronavirus response, with cases topping 6 million, will keep the US isolated from the more 170 countries involved in the COVAX initiative working to provide worldwide access to an effective vaccine.

“The United States will continue to engage our international partners to ensure we defeat this virus, but we will not be constrained by multilateral organizations influenced by the corrupt World Health Organization and China,” White House spokesperson Judd Deere said in a statement.

—-
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/01/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-world-health-organization/index.html

_sigh-

Unfortunate, but not unexpected…

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Australia’s seven-day coronavirus case average drops below 100

ABC reporter Steph Ferrier, in Melbourne, gives some context on the 90 new cases in Victoria. “That is a third day in a row we have fallen below 100. It is another 20 on top of what we saw yesterday, however, it is important to note that our 7-day average has now, for the first time in many weeks, dropped below 100. Our 7-day average is now just 95. And that compared with 175 a week prior to that. That’s a really good sign the trajectory is continuing to go down and that’s exactly what we want to be seeing as we’re nearing the end of these lockdowns,” she said.

For those that have been noticing higher case numbers on Wednesdays, you may be onto something.

—

Don’t worry Economy Must Growers, we have it on somewhat reliable sources that NSW is about to hit the launch button on the next state to have a “second wave”, can’t be sure yet of course but soon you’ll all have another chance to Die For The Economy!!1!!!

Suits up for another battle.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/nsw-coronavirus-state-records-17-new-cases/12619712

Health authorities today confirmed 17 new COVID-19 cases. One is in hotel quarantine and one has no known source. A further eight cases have been linked to the Sydney CBD cluster which broke out last month and another six have been linked to St Paul’s Catholic College in Greystanes in Western Sydney. One case is linked to Liverpool Hospital.

Ms Berejiklian emphasised she wants the state to be focused on life resuming as normal. “Our attitude in NSW is what can we do, not what can’t we do,” she said. “Of course controlling the virus spread is a priority but so is getting life to as normal as possible and doing everything in a COVID-safe way.”

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ remember how masks were supposed to increase the chance of infection because people would be more complacent, more touchy with their face, and more spat on by racists fascists ?

¡ well, now some public health experts tell us that more testing will make the pandemic worse !

Apparently (1) doing some extra tests on general asymptomatic public must only happen in a way that clogs the system and delay results; and (2) wider testing criteria still won’t catch people actively avoiding testing, so it’s obviously useless.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-02/call-coronavirus-covid-19-tests-melbourne-victoria-no-symptoms/12619154

Was it Tony Abbott said that?

It was Professor Maximilian de Courten, health policy lead at Victoria University’s Mitchell Institute. We present the information here because we think PMdC is wrong.

In short:
(1) the epidemiologist quoted earlier in the article seems to be pretty clear that wider testing is useful when capacity is relatively greater than caseload, which is the direction things are going;
(2) wider testing will very much catch the contacts of active avoiders, so we argue that short-sighted assertions to “test only to find exactly what you are looking for” are poor public health policy.

Victoria’s Chief Health Officer says less than 50 per cent of people with mild symptoms are getting tested for coronavirus.

He says the daily number of coronavirus cases is broadly in line with what government modelling predicted.

“I do think there are going to be 100-plus actual cases out there each day at the moment, and we want to find all of them,” he said.

“So it’s important we increase those testing numbers and we’ll have days when we find more people and that’s OK.”

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Was it Tony Abbott said that?

It was Professor Maximilian de Courten, health policy lead at Victoria University’s Mitchell Institute. We present the information here because we think PMdC is wrong.

In short:
(1) the epidemiologist quoted earlier in the article seems to be pretty clear that wider testing is useful when capacity is relatively greater than caseload, which is the direction things are going;
(2) wider testing will very much catch the contacts of active avoiders, so we argue that short-sighted assertions to “test only to find exactly what you are looking for” are poor public health policy.

Victoria’s Chief Health Officer says less than 50 per cent of people with mild symptoms are getting tested for coronavirus.

He says the daily number of coronavirus cases is broadly in line with what government modelling predicted.

“I do think there are going to be 100-plus actual cases out there each day at the moment, and we want to find all of them,” he said.

“So it’s important we increase those testing numbers and we’ll have days when we find more people and that’s OK.”

Tony Abbott should stay out of it.

This is from Dan Andrews, the Vic Premier, reproduced here only to illustrate the point following it:

Dan Andrews said:

I know some people have strong feelings about the State of Emergency legislation that passed the Upper House last night.
Debate is healthy. Differing opinions are what our democracy is built on.

But there’s also been a lot of misinformation flying around – so I just wanted to clarify a few things.

Some people have asked whether extending the State of Emergency by six months means we also extend our current level of restrictions for that period. The answer is a clear no. That’s absolutely not the case.
The State of Emergency is the legal framework that allows the Chief Health Officer to set directions to keep us all safe, and for those directions to be enforced.

That includes the measures we’ll need to safely reopen. Precautions such as requiring workplaces to have a COVIDSafe plan, mandatory isolation for positive cases, and wearing face coverings.

The CHO’s directions are based on the data and the health advice at any given time – and our current restrictions will change when it’s safe to do so.

But without the State of Emergency, everything becomes voluntary – and we essentially just have to take our chances and hope for the best.

People who are infectious could be out and about, with no way of ensuring they self-isolate. Workplaces couldn’t be held to any sort of standard or required to keep employees safe.

And we’d risk throwing away everything we’ve worked so hard for.
Others have questioned why we can’t simply extend the legislation on a month-by-month basis – sort of like a rolling lease.
Well, the short answer is that it just isn’t practical.

The only reason we sought this extension is because Victoria’s current State of Emergency has a hard cap at six months. No other state has this limit – in fact, most of their emergency laws can be extended indefinitely without parliamentary approval.

Ours are the most conservative in the country – even after this change.

We’ve already extended the State of Emergency six times, at four-week intervals, and we’ve reached the limit of the current law.
Having to pass new legislation every month through Parliament could result in gaps – days, even weeks – with nothing in place to keep Victorians safe.

To use the lease analogy, having a six-month extension gives our state the security we need to continue fighting this pandemic – but means we can still give notice and move out at any time.

If we don’t need the emergency powers, we won’t use them – but they’re available so we can respond quickly if and when we do.
During a pandemic, that speed is absolutely critical.

Under the updated legislation, the Minister will still be able to review the State of Emergency at any time, and will only be able to renew it on the advice of the CHO and after consultation with the Emergency Management Commissioner – as has been the case for the past six months.

We all want this to be over. I get that. I do too.
But this is about ensuring our health officials have the tools they need to get us to the other side of this pandemic – and to ensure we preserve the hard-won gains of the past couple of months.
We cannot afford a third wave. We just can’t.

But chucking everything aside now would almost certainly guarantee that.
We have to stay the course – and I’m so grateful to every single one of you for sticking this out.

I know it’s not easy. But it is necessary. And it will be worth it

I appreciate that we don’t all know or care about assessing and rating language, learning, or literacy, but I reckon it’s worth saying that he’s a good couple of notches (on a scale that goes to five) above the mean LL&L in the general population. His life would be easier if he pitched the public communications a lot lower.

so what happens after the next 6 months after we’re done thanking the social workers

SCIENCE said:

so what happens after the next 6 months after we’re done thanking the social workers

We start thanking the undertakers.

There are so many occupations I am thankful for.So many things I am not suitable for.

Just on TV now.

In USA, in 94% of Covid deaths, death recorded on the death certificate was cause jointly by Covid and another different cause.

On 6% from Covid alone.

mollwollfumble said:

Just on TV now.

In USA, in 94% of Covid deaths, death recorded on the death certificate was cause jointly by Covid and another different cause.

On 6% from Covid alone.

That has been doing the rounds of Facebook for a couple of days now.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article245382320.html

What the CDC’s update really means is that 94% of the people who died from the coronavirus had at least one other health condition, in addition to COVID-19, that could have contributed to their passing — not that the additional factor was the sole reason for it.

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just on TV now.

In USA, in 94% of Covid deaths, death recorded on the death certificate was cause jointly by Covid and another different cause.

On 6% from Covid alone.

That has been doing the rounds of Facebook for a couple of days now.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article245382320.html

What the CDC’s update really means is that 94% of the people who died from the coronavirus had at least one other health condition, in addition to COVID-19, that could have contributed to their passing — not that the additional factor was the sole reason for it.

If I died of Covid, I reckon they could list more than a dozen “other health conditions” on my death certficate. Incovenience would be one of them.

These businesses are going to die anyway right ¿ They’ll be not productive, and expensive to maintain. Why not just kill them off with a good proper lockdown right now ¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-03/government-state-borders-coronavirus-tens-billions-tourism-loss/12622982

Quick, time to stockpile that dexamethasone, buy buy buy ¡

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/cheap-steroids-can-help-the-sickest-coronavirus-patients-studies-reveal-20200903-p55rv7.html

“We’re not setting any timetables,” Mr McGowan said.

“Along this road lots of people, lots of people have tried … to set a date, and every time you set a date or you try to set a date, the date moves, because COVID is unpredictable.

—

Wise man. a

SCIENCE said:

“We’re not setting any timetables,” Mr McGowan said.

“Along this road lots of people, lots of people have tried … to set a date, and every time you set a date or you try to set a date, the date moves, because COVID is unpredictable.

—

Wise man. a

91%

[What are the economies looking like nation by nation and how does that financial picture look like.

I spoke to a person the other day , who is originally from South Africa who suggests the country is all but bankrupt, Zimbabwe was a food basket and he suggested their unemployment rate up around 90 plus percent. I don’t know if that was accurate.

Is the a spreadsheet of the economic states of the world in one location?

monkey skipper said:

I don’t think that one can be right, monkey. That has the UK not falling as far as some of the Euro countries and recovering at similar rates.

sibeen said:

monkey skipper said:

I don’t think that one can be right, monkey. That has the UK not falling as far as some of the Euro countries and recovering at similar rates.

A wish list instead?

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

monkey skipper said:

I don’t think that one can be right, monkey. That has the UK not falling as far as some of the Euro countries and recovering at similar rates.

A wish list instead?

I’m having a little joke.

sibeen said:

monkey skipper said:

I don’t think that one can be right, monkey. That has the UK not falling as far as some of the Euro countries and recovering at similar rates.

It should have the UK crashing a further couple of percent just because of the Brexit shituation. The UK Treasury’s own forecasts before the Covids became a problem was for negative growth under a no common market access future relationship. That outcome looks most likely now.

People with sociopathic traits less likely to follow coronavirus guidelines, study finds

(link opens article)

Rule 303 said:

People with sociopathic traits less likely to follow coronavirus guidelines, study finds

(link opens article)

Money for old rope, that ‘study’.

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

People with sociopathic traits less likely to follow coronavirus guidelines, study finds

(link opens article)

Money for old rope, that ‘study’.

Not everybody has your keen powers of observation.

Rule 303 said:

People with sociopathic traits less likely to follow coronavirus guidelines, study finds

(link opens article)

Surprise, surprise…

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

People with sociopathic traits less likely to follow coronavirus guidelines, study finds

(link opens article)

Money for old rope, that ‘study’.

Not everybody has your keen powers of observation.

Well, i mean…people who are known to be arseholes can be expected to act like arseholes?

Most of us learn that in infants’ school, and see no need to devote extensive further study to the matter.

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Money for old rope, that ‘study’.

Not everybody has your keen powers of observation.

Well, i mean…people who are known to be arseholes can be expected to act like arseholes?

Most of us learn that in infants’ school, and see no need to devote extensive further study to the matter.

The ‘Old rope’ comment pretty much covered that sentiment.

;-)

https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1301554715595911168
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.31.20183095v1

Half of the children (50%) who had antibodies against #SARSCoV2 were asymptomatic (although this may be subject to recall bias).

The most common symptoms were fever (31%), gastrointestinal symptoms such as diarrhoea and vomiting (19%), and headache (18%).

Only 38% of children who tested positive had fever, cough, or changes in smell or taste.

Therefore, the majority of children did not meet criteria for #COVID19 testing in the UK.

Current testing strategies will fail to diagnose most cases in children.

Separate question: ¿ what is the evidence that if we precipitously open borders, the Economy (Must Grow) Will Be Saved ?

SCIENCE said:

26mminutes ago

By Jessica Riga

McGowan: Prematurely reopening the state’s borders will risk both the state and national economies

We’ve been able to reopen nearly every almost of the state’s economy and life in WA has returned to normal, virtually, in a COVID-safe way. Forecasts show WA has the most positive economic outlook of all states. We are the state going forward most quickly. For 2019-20, WA has the only state where our domestic economy grew by 1.1%. All other jurisdictions shrunk. This shows the positive direction WA was heading in before COVID. But it also shows that we avoided the worst of COVID and that states with closed borders fared significantly better than those with open borders.

nearly every almost

*has melt down

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

26mminutes ago

By Jessica Riga

McGowan: Prematurely reopening the state’s borders will risk both the state and national economies

We’ve been able to reopen nearly every almost of the state’s economy and life in WA has returned to normal, virtually, in a COVID-safe way. Forecasts show WA has the most positive economic outlook of all states. We are the state going forward most quickly. For 2019-20, WA has the only state where our domestic economy grew by 1.1%. All other jurisdictions shrunk. This shows the positive direction WA was heading in before COVID. But it also shows that we avoided the worst of COVID and that states with closed borders fared significantly better than those with open borders.

nearly every almost

*has melt down

IDGI

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

26mminutes ago

By Jessica Riga

McGowan: Prematurely reopening the state’s borders will risk both the state and national economies

We’ve been able to reopen nearly every almost of the state’s economy and life in WA has returned to normal, virtually, in a COVID-safe way. Forecasts show WA has the most positive economic outlook of all states. We are the state going forward most quickly. For 2019-20, WA has the only state where our domestic economy grew by 1.1%. All other jurisdictions shrunk. This shows the positive direction WA was heading in before COVID. But it also shows that we avoided the worst of COVID and that states with closed borders fared significantly better than those with open borders.

nearly every almost

*has melt down

IDGI

‘We’ve been able to reopen nearly every almost of the state’s economy’

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

nearly every almost

*has melt down

IDGI

‘We’ve been able to reopen nearly every almost of the state’s economy’

I see now.

It’s a problem with the automated software that the ABC uses to capture press conferences.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

IDGI

‘We’ve been able to reopen nearly every almost of the state’s economy’

I see now.

It’s a problem with the automated software that the ABC uses to capture press conferences.

Probably: almost ——-> aspect

Michael V’s onboard software is so advanced that it is able to correct for the ABC’s problems automatically.

dv said:

Michael V’s onboard software is so advanced that it is able to correct for the ABC’s problems automatically.

LOL

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dv said:

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I think that means agnostics and atheists promoting critical thinking over religious faith.

dv said:

?

You cannot have any old wally performing an exorcism, for instance.

dv said:

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Fair enough you could need an expert exorcist to come in from the Vatican in an emergency, a Possessed Flying Squad.
And what with swine flu around they’d have to use local pigs.

dv said:

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You know – Happy Clappys.

sibeen said:

dv said:

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You cannot have any old wally performing an exorcism, for instance.

LOL i just wrote that on Dropbear’s fb when he posted that pic.

party_pants said:

dv said:

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I think that means agnostics and atheists promoting critical thinking over religious faith.

Damn Skeppo Pedro must be rolling in dough

Police force door to enter arrest another Facebook conspiracy nut.

(Link opens YouTube video)

Rule 303 said:

Police force door to enter arrest another Facebook conspiracy nut.

(Link opens YouTube video)

What’s he accused of?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Rule 303 said:

Police force door to enter arrest another Facebook conspiracy nut.

(Link opens YouTube video)

What’s he accused of?

Inciting people to attend a public protest.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-04/victoria-police-arrest-fourth-person-for-supporting-protests/12630904

Hang on…if you read the whole piece…he was arrested for incitement for the protests (and possession of prohibited weapons, which is more concerning really), so he was encouraging people to go. Then after his arrest he then decided the rallies are “a trap”. Can he not remember things from one hour to the next?

dv said:

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last rites?

The catchup figures for deaths in aged care in Victoria interests me. I had assumed the numbers being given each day were certified deaths. But apparently not. Somehow they are something notified some other way. In the press conference yesterday Daniel Andrews said something about federal responsibility. But I didn’t understand what it was. I found the feds Information for the Public:

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-in-aged-care-services-residential-care

But the registered deaths data is only up to 26th May so far.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

I think we just ignore the numbers for now. We won’t know the proper stats for some time, I think.

buffy said:

The catchup figures for deaths in aged care in Victoria interests me. I had assumed the numbers being given each day were certified deaths. But apparently not. Somehow they are something notified some other way. In the press conference yesterday Daniel Andrews said something about federal responsibility. But I didn’t understand what it was. I found the feds Information for the Public:

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-in-aged-care-services-residential-care

But the registered deaths data is only up to 26th May so far.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

I think we just ignore the numbers for now. We won’t know the proper stats for some time, I think.

In a lot of the European countries and the UK they dumped a shed load of deaths from nursing homes into the data in one go but the media just reported the fact and not the why.
So I don’t know.

As Saturday numbers are probably the most accurate of the week I will note that:

Both Brazil and India now over 4 million cases.

India will probably move into the No. 2 spot tomorrow. Still way down on deaths/million, but also no sign of a slow down in the growth of infection rate.

Both USA and USA-South seem to be continuing pretty much in a straight line for both cases and deaths.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

The catchup figures for deaths in aged care in Victoria interests me. I had assumed the numbers being given each day were certified deaths. But apparently not. Somehow they are something notified some other way. In the press conference yesterday Daniel Andrews said something about federal responsibility. But I didn’t understand what it was. I found the feds Information for the Public:

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-in-aged-care-services-residential-care

But the registered deaths data is only up to 26th May so far.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/0E25B19FEA63D324CA25859000222EBD?Opendocument

I think we just ignore the numbers for now. We won’t know the proper stats for some time, I think.

In a lot of the European countries and the UK they dumped a shed load of deaths from nursing homes into the data in one go but the media just reported the fact and not the why.
So I don’t know.

I know something.






















There’s going to be more deaths.

A few more months to Covid 19’s First anniversary.

The second wave is going through Europe now with France being hit particularly hard.
Most of the countries have said bugger it we aint going back into lockdown, they are just going to live with it.
The second wave seems mild compared to the first wave anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/why-europe-has-not-locked-down-despite-covid-19-second-wave/12623804

Peak Warming Man said:

The second wave is going through Europe now with France being hit particularly hard.
Most of the countries have said bugger it we aint going back into lockdown, they are just going to live with it.
The second wave seems mild compared to the first wave anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/why-europe-has-not-locked-down-despite-covid-19-second-wave/12623804

Once the dust settles on Covid19 it will be interesting to see all the figures for each country and who did what and when etc

Peak Warming Man said:

The second wave is going through Europe now with France being hit particularly hard.
Most of the countries have said bugger it we aint going back into lockdown, they are just going to live with it.
The second wave seems mild compared to the first wave anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/why-europe-has-not-locked-down-despite-covid-19-second-wave/12623804

~they are just going to live die with it.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The second wave is going through Europe now with France being hit particularly hard.
Most of the countries have said bugger it we aint going back into lockdown, they are just going to live with it.
The second wave seems mild compared to the first wave anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/why-europe-has-not-locked-down-despite-covid-19-second-wave/12623804

~they are just going to live die with it.

Someone will make a movie about it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The second wave is going through Europe now with France being hit particularly hard.
Most of the countries have said bugger it we aint going back into lockdown, they are just going to live with it.
The second wave seems mild compared to the first wave anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/why-europe-has-not-locked-down-despite-covid-19-second-wave/12623804

~they are just going to live die with it.

Someone will make a movie about it.

Hollywood should make movies about all the virus outbreaks.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The second wave is going through Europe now with France being hit particularly hard.
Most of the countries have said bugger it we aint going back into lockdown, they are just going to live with it.
The second wave seems mild compared to the first wave anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/why-europe-has-not-locked-down-despite-covid-19-second-wave/12623804

~they are just going to live die with it.

Someone will make a movie about it.

Title: Live and let die. Wait. No. That one’s taken.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The second wave is going through Europe now with France being hit particularly hard.
Most of the countries have said bugger it we aint going back into lockdown, they are just going to live with it.
The second wave seems mild compared to the first wave anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/why-europe-has-not-locked-down-despite-covid-19-second-wave/12623804

~they are just going to live die with it.

~they are just going to live and let die with it.

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

~they are just going to live die with it.

Someone will make a movie about it.

Title: Live and let die. Wait. No. That one’s taken.

Damn. Missed it by that much.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Someone will make a movie about it.

Title: Live and let die. Wait. No. That one’s taken.

Damn. Missed it by that much.

And I missed it by that much +1.

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

~they are just going to live die with it.

Someone will make a movie about it.

Title: Live and let die. Wait. No. That one’s taken.

Breathe In could make a good Horror Thriller Title.

Victoria 76/11

Tau.Neutrino said:

Victoria 76/11

It’s falling, that’s good news.

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

WA Premier Mark McGowan refused to follow other leaders in National Cabinet yesterday by agreeing to a goal of re-opening by Christmas.

Mr McGowan said the hard border is saving lives and protecting the state’s mining industry, arguing people on the east coast don’t understand the value it adds to the national economy.

But Queensland Coalition MP Andrew Laming says Mr McGowan’s motive is political.

“McGowan’s play here in the state that’s got the lowest COVID risk of all is quite bizarre and utterly poll driven and he knows it,” he said.

“He’s got high capital labour ratios, mostly remote work, they’re unlikely to be affected by COVID the way highly dense, low socio-economic areas are that we find in Victoria and New South Wales, they’ve got the real challenge.

“So the minute I think the Prime Minister switches off JobSeeker payments to WA, you’d have McGowan coming back grovelling for mercy. So we’ll keep paying the money from Canberra, he’ll keep wallowing in the moral hazard and unfortunately WA just have to live with that.” “

…………………………………………………………………………………………

What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
…………………………………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Tau.Neutrino said:

Victoria 76/11

There’s a bloke on fb who attacks anyone who doesn’t give 100% support to the way Victoria has handled the situation.
IMO he should be working for DT.

Michael V said:

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

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What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
…………………………………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Possibly he’s just being used to convey a threat, with plausible deniability, from ‘higher powers’ to the WA Premier.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

…………………………………………………………………………………………

What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
…………………………………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Possibly he’s just being used to convey a threat, with plausible deniability, from ‘higher powers’ to the WA Premier.

Isn’t that Dutton’s job?

(but yeah, you could well be right)

Michael V said:

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

WA Premier Mark McGowan refused to follow other leaders in National Cabinet yesterday by agreeing to a goal of re-opening by Christmas.

Mr McGowan said the hard border is saving lives and protecting the state’s mining industry, arguing people on the east coast don’t understand the value it adds to the national economy.

But Queensland Coalition MP Andrew Laming says Mr McGowan’s motive is political.

“McGowan’s play here in the state that’s got the lowest COVID risk of all is quite bizarre and utterly poll driven and he knows it,” he said.

“He’s got high capital labour ratios, mostly remote work, they’re unlikely to be affected by COVID the way highly dense, low socio-economic areas are that we find in Victoria and New South Wales, they’ve got the real challenge.

“So the minute I think the Prime Minister switches off JobSeeker payments to WA, you’d have McGowan coming back grovelling for mercy. So we’ll keep paying the money from Canberra, he’ll keep wallowing in the moral hazard and unfortunately WA just have to live with that.” “

…………………………………………………………………………………………

What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
…………………………………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

What a shame taxpayers cannot shut off his taxpayers funded job.

Yes, he has been added to the arsehole list.

Michael V said:

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

WA Premier Mark McGowan refused to follow other leaders in National Cabinet yesterday by agreeing to a goal of re-opening by Christmas.

Mr McGowan said the hard border is saving lives and protecting the state’s mining industry, arguing people on the east coast don’t understand the value it adds to the national economy.

But Queensland Coalition MP Andrew Laming says Mr McGowan’s motive is political.

“McGowan’s play here in the state that’s got the lowest COVID risk of all is quite bizarre and utterly poll driven and he knows it,” he said.

“He’s got high capital labour ratios, mostly remote work, they’re unlikely to be affected by COVID the way highly dense, low socio-economic areas are that we find in Victoria and New South Wales, they’ve got the real challenge.

“So the minute I think the Prime Minister switches off JobSeeker payments to WA, you’d have McGowan coming back grovelling for mercy. So we’ll keep paying the money from Canberra, he’ll keep wallowing in the moral hazard and unfortunately WA just have to live with that.” “

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What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

WA is fully enjoying a comparative advantage, and good for them, not much else to it. Of course the comparative aspects of the advantage don’t need be understood in comparative terms, they exist quite independently of the act of comparing, but the advantage might quickly dissolve if they had a serious outbreak of the new contagion

economic liberals love comparative advantage, so can’t see what any of them might disapprove of

unless of course WA is an inconvenient working model that might suggest going for elimination of the virus could work

unfortunately the federal government seems invested in suppression, a highly variable thing, accommodates all sorts, even the devil

transition said:

Michael V said:

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

WA Premier Mark McGowan refused to follow other leaders in National Cabinet yesterday by agreeing to a goal of re-opening by Christmas.

Mr McGowan said the hard border is saving lives and protecting the state’s mining industry, arguing people on the east coast don’t understand the value it adds to the national economy.

But Queensland Coalition MP Andrew Laming says Mr McGowan’s motive is political.

“McGowan’s play here in the state that’s got the lowest COVID risk of all is quite bizarre and utterly poll driven and he knows it,” he said.

“He’s got high capital labour ratios, mostly remote work, they’re unlikely to be affected by COVID the way highly dense, low socio-economic areas are that we find in Victoria and New South Wales, they’ve got the real challenge.

“So the minute I think the Prime Minister switches off JobSeeker payments to WA, you’d have McGowan coming back grovelling for mercy. So we’ll keep paying the money from Canberra, he’ll keep wallowing in the moral hazard and unfortunately WA just have to live with that.” “

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What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

WA is fully enjoying a comparative advantage, and good for them, not much else to it. Of course the comparative aspects of the advantage don’t need be understood in comparative terms, they exist quite independently of the act of comparing, but the advantage might quickly dissolve if they had a serious outbreak of the new contagion

economic liberals love comparative advantage, so can’t see what any of them might disapprove of

unless of course WA is an inconvenient working model that might suggest going for elimination of the virus could work

unfortunately the federal government seems invested in suppression, a highly variable thing, accommodates all sorts, even the devil

Tasmania is closed and not being threatened. Is that because this state govt is liberal?

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

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What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Possibly he’s just being used to convey a threat, with plausible deniability, from ‘higher powers’ to the WA Premier.

Sure. But that doesn’t stop him being an arsehole for saying that.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

“Laming says WA Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments were cut

Federal Government backbencher Andrew Laming has hit out at Western Australia’s border closure, saying the Premier would be left “grovelling for mercy” if federal welfare payments to his state were cut off.

WA Premier Mark McGowan refused to follow other leaders in National Cabinet yesterday by agreeing to a goal of re-opening by Christmas.

Mr McGowan said the hard border is saving lives and protecting the state’s mining industry, arguing people on the east coast don’t understand the value it adds to the national economy.

But Queensland Coalition MP Andrew Laming says Mr McGowan’s motive is political.

“McGowan’s play here in the state that’s got the lowest COVID risk of all is quite bizarre and utterly poll driven and he knows it,” he said.

“He’s got high capital labour ratios, mostly remote work, they’re unlikely to be affected by COVID the way highly dense, low socio-economic areas are that we find in Victoria and New South Wales, they’ve got the real challenge.

“So the minute I think the Prime Minister switches off JobSeeker payments to WA, you’d have McGowan coming back grovelling for mercy. So we’ll keep paying the money from Canberra, he’ll keep wallowing in the moral hazard and unfortunately WA just have to live with that.” “

…………………………………………………………………………………………

What an arsehole. Andrew Laming can go on the list. Grrrrr.
…………………………………………………………………………………………

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

WA is fully enjoying a comparative advantage, and good for them, not much else to it. Of course the comparative aspects of the advantage don’t need be understood in comparative terms, they exist quite independently of the act of comparing, but the advantage might quickly dissolve if they had a serious outbreak of the new contagion

economic liberals love comparative advantage, so can’t see what any of them might disapprove of

unless of course WA is an inconvenient working model that might suggest going for elimination of the virus could work

unfortunately the federal government seems invested in suppression, a highly variable thing, accommodates all sorts, even the devil

Tasmania is closed and not being threatened. Is that because this state govt is liberal?

Dunno.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

WA is fully enjoying a comparative advantage, and good for them, not much else to it. Of course the comparative aspects of the advantage don’t need be understood in comparative terms, they exist quite independently of the act of comparing, but the advantage might quickly dissolve if they had a serious outbreak of the new contagion

economic liberals love comparative advantage, so can’t see what any of them might disapprove of

unless of course WA is an inconvenient working model that might suggest going for elimination of the virus could work

unfortunately the federal government seems invested in suppression, a highly variable thing, accommodates all sorts, even the devil

Tasmania is closed and not being threatened. Is that because this state govt is liberal?

Dunno.

there is definitely politics going on.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Tasmania is closed and not being threatened. Is that because this state govt is liberal?

Dunno.

there is definitely politics going on.

Yeah. Gutter politics. Unfortunately.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Dunno.

there is definitely politics going on.

Yeah. Gutter politics. Unfortunately.

I can’t find the post that went past me the other day…but Fisher was banging on in the Senate about extending and expanding the indue card. Also Hinkler has not received any funding for homeless housing. and that is either playing with stats or it is another case of the feds not paying out. (Also.. the woman who never activated her card was denied what Indue was paid after it was decided she was cleared of indue ownership. ) .

Some people are having an expensive day out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Protestors are being arrested in Melbourne.

buffy said:

Some people are having an expensive day out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Protestors are being arrested in Melbourne.

>Shakes head<

buffy said:

Some people are having an expensive day out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Protestors are being arrested in Melbourne.

As much as I spend so much time lamenting that my brain doesn’t work as it should at least it works well enough for me to realise that it isn’t the best.

What’s going on in those brains?

Rule 303 said:

the new word is: shituation.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

the new word is: shituation.

Nice.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Some people are having an expensive day out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Protestors are being arrested in Melbourne.

As much as I spend so much time lamenting that my brain doesn’t work as it should at least it works well enough for me to realise that it isn’t the best.

What’s going on in those brains?

Conspiracy theories…

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

There are a lot of health pofessionals getting covid 19.

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

Uh-oh.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Some people are having an expensive day out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victoria-nsw-border-permit/12632184

Protestors are being arrested in Melbourne.

As much as I spend so much time lamenting that my brain doesn’t work as it should at least it works well enough for me to realise that it isn’t the best.

What’s going on in those brains?

Conspiracy theories…

And we have a federal govt trying to legislate to protect News ltd who are the mainstream conspiracists. With no policy on the 4chan type channels.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

There are a lot of health pofessionals getting covid 19.

yes and meanwhile

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/melbourne-coronavirus-restrictions-lockdown-protests-police/12633164

here’s a better idea than just arresting these fuckers

after dealt with through Law, let them have their “freedom”

also relieve them of their Medicare cards and they can fucking deal with their own shit

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

As much as I spend so much time lamenting that my brain doesn’t work as it should at least it works well enough for me to realise that it isn’t the best.

What’s going on in those brains?

Conspiracy theories…

And we have a federal govt trying to legislate to protect News ltd who are the mainstream conspiracists. With no policy on the 4chan type channels.

That wouldn’t be biased would it?

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

There are a lot of health pofessionals getting covid 19.

yes and meanwhile

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/melbourne-coronavirus-restrictions-lockdown-protests-police/12633164

here’s a better idea than just arresting these fuckers

after dealt with through Law, let them have their “freedom”

also relieve them of their Medicare cards and they can fucking deal with their own shit

They are a threat to themselves and others.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

There are a lot of health pofessionals getting covid 19.

yes and meanwhile

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/melbourne-coronavirus-restrictions-lockdown-protests-police/12633164

here’s a better idea than just arresting these fuckers

after dealt with through Law, let them have their “freedom”

also relieve them of their Medicare cards and they can fucking deal with their own shit

They are a threat to themselves and others.

My thoughts

Conspiracy theories are a form of mis-information and ignore reality.

Protests started from such misinformation are highly unethical, a few people can attract thousands of other people. The mis information brings together people to become a highly dangerous infectious event.

Organisers have responsibility for that.

Australian artists respond to coronavirus isolation with works about connection
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/australian-art-covid-19-connection-isolation-connection/12620162

just saw this advice on another platform

Lower test numbers increase percentage of positives – exactly what the #fearmongering #media and #politicians need to further push their agenda of “you will all die unless you have vaccine and mask” mandate.

I suggest every person gets tested to show minuscule positive % rate.

how many layers of reverse psychology is that

ABC News:

‘Police make several arrests in Melbourne, where hundreds of people are protesting against the city’s stage 4 restrictions.’

To put it another way:

‘Over 4.8 million Melburnians see no reason to join in protests against the city’s stage 4 restrictions.’

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Police make several arrests in Melbourne, where hundreds of people are protesting against the city’s stage 4 restrictions.’

To put it another way:

‘Over 4.8 million Melburnians see no reason to join in protests against the city’s stage 4 restrictions.’

Yeh. How good is not getting arrested, aye?

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

There are a lot of health pofessionals getting covid 19.

Not many dying here though. It’s the elderly doing the dying.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

yes and meanwhile

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/melbourne-coronavirus-restrictions-lockdown-protests-police/12633164

here’s a better idea than just arresting these fuckers

after dealt with through Law, let them have their “freedom”

also relieve them of their Medicare cards and they can fucking deal with their own shit

They are a threat to themselves and others.

My thoughts

Conspiracy theories are a form of mis-information and ignore reality.

Protests started from such misinformation are highly unethical, a few people can attract thousands of other people. The mis information brings together people to become a highly dangerous infectious event.

Organisers have responsibility for that.

to some extent the native mind is inclined to indulge conspiratorial conjecture, though it’s probably not typical to make a home of it (or fixate), and those that tend to are a broad category, if a category at all, but might be loosely grouped

one perhaps potentially informative contradiction that might be lost on them, those that are part of or want be part of a social movement, such a social movement, is that being part of a social movement that variously shouts freedom (as if it were threatened, under siege) doesn’t necessary result in more freedom, quietly going about their business may fair better

quite a few that fixate, generate siege, self-generate siege, and point to things external as the cause, are probably marginals, or whatever want call it

simple fact is with the new contagion is the number of infection and infection rate need be crushed, unknown or latent cases given time to emerge, it needs be driven as near extinction in the population as possible, and maintained at extremely low numbers, people must keep on it with prophylactic behaviors even as lockdown is lifted (extremely important), and vigilant about possible infection

later the government absolutely needs to increase an education campaign through media as (and leading up to) lockdown restrictions being eased, distance, masks, hand washing, that sort of thing, otherwise the hard yards done are lost in any relaxation

normal is gotten back by crushing the infection, pushing it into or near extinction as posisble, and the sooner the better

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

There are a lot of health pofessionals getting covid 19.

Not many dying here though. It’s the elderly doing the dying.

Silvio’s mother said he had the virus and he’s 83.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Police make several arrests in Melbourne, where hundreds of people are protesting against the city’s stage 4 restrictions.’

To put it another way:

‘Over 4.8 million Melburnians see no reason to join in protests against the city’s stage 4 restrictions.’

Nice perspective.

Lucky they caught this case, could have been a king disaster.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/sa-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wastewater-and-hotel-quarantine/12633414

One new case in South Australia has been confirmed in a woman in her 20s — a Victorian resident who was transiting through Adelaide Airport to Alice Springs, but now remains in South Australia. She arrived with four cousins aged 10 to 17 on a Jetstar flight from Melbourne on Thursday.

“We were not expecting this person to be coming into South Australia and in fact our normal procedure would have been to book a flight and send her back to Victoria,” Professor Spurrier said. “But given she had four young people with her, we elected to put her in a medi-hotel here in South Australia and she tested positive.”

SCIENCE said:

Lucky they caught this case, could have been a king disaster.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/sa-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wastewater-and-hotel-quarantine/12633414

One new case in South Australia has been confirmed in a woman in her 20s — a Victorian resident who was transiting through Adelaide Airport to Alice Springs, but now remains in South Australia. She arrived with four cousins aged 10 to 17 on a Jetstar flight from Melbourne on Thursday.

“We were not expecting this person to be coming into South Australia and in fact our normal procedure would have been to book a flight and send her back to Victoria,” Professor Spurrier said. “But given she had four young people with her, we elected to put her in a medi-hotel here in South Australia and she tested positive.”

How the fuck are they allowed out of Victoria?

SCIENCE said:

Lucky they caught this case, could have been a king disaster.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/sa-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wastewater-and-hotel-quarantine/12633414

One new case in South Australia has been confirmed in a woman in her 20s — a Victorian resident who was transiting through Adelaide Airport to Alice Springs, but now remains in South Australia. She arrived with four cousins aged 10 to 17 on a Jetstar flight from Melbourne on Thursday.

“We were not expecting this person to be coming into South Australia and in fact our normal procedure would have been to book a flight and send her back to Victoria,” Professor Spurrier said. “But given she had four young people with her, we elected to put her in a medi-hotel here in South Australia and she tested positive.”

Yeah, that could have gone pear shaped.

SCIENCE said:

Lucky they caught this case, could have been a king disaster.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/sa-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wastewater-and-hotel-quarantine/12633414

One new case in South Australia has been confirmed in a woman in her 20s — a Victorian resident who was transiting through Adelaide Airport to Alice Springs, but now remains in South Australia. She arrived with four cousins aged 10 to 17 on a Jetstar flight from Melbourne on Thursday.

“We were not expecting this person to be coming into South Australia and in fact our normal procedure would have been to book a flight and send her back to Victoria,” Professor Spurrier said. “But given she had four young people with her, we elected to put her in a medi-hotel here in South Australia and she tested positive.”

Very lucky.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Lucky they caught this case, could have been a king disaster.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/sa-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wastewater-and-hotel-quarantine/12633414

One new case in South Australia has been confirmed in a woman in her 20s — a Victorian resident who was transiting through Adelaide Airport to Alice Springs, but now remains in South Australia. She arrived with four cousins aged 10 to 17 on a Jetstar flight from Melbourne on Thursday.

“We were not expecting this person to be coming into South Australia and in fact our normal procedure would have been to book a flight and send her back to Victoria,” Professor Spurrier said. “But given she had four young people with her, we elected to put her in a medi-hotel here in South Australia and she tested positive.”

How the fuck are they allowed out of Victoria?

They’re not. But you are not required to show airlines that you have a border-crossing permit.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Lucky they caught this case, could have been a king disaster.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-05/sa-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wastewater-and-hotel-quarantine/12633414

One new case in South Australia has been confirmed in a woman in her 20s — a Victorian resident who was transiting through Adelaide Airport to Alice Springs, but now remains in South Australia. She arrived with four cousins aged 10 to 17 on a Jetstar flight from Melbourne on Thursday.

“We were not expecting this person to be coming into South Australia and in fact our normal procedure would have been to book a flight and send her back to Victoria,” Professor Spurrier said. “But given she had four young people with her, we elected to put her in a medi-hotel here in South Australia and she tested positive.”

How the fuck are they allowed out of Victoria?

They’re not. But you are not required to show airlines that you have a border-crossing permit.

Bit of a problem there.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

How the fuck are they allowed out of Victoria?

They’re not. But you are not required to show airlines that you have a border-crossing permit.

Bit of a problem there.

Airlines politely pointed out that they weren’t Police. (And they get a few back-fares when people get sent home.)

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

They’re not. But you are not required to show airlines that you have a border-crossing permit.

Bit of a problem there.

Airlines politely pointed out that they weren’t Police. (And they get a few back-fares when people get sent home.)

So why aren’t police at the airports?
or is it because they are all at the road border crossings?

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Bit of a problem there.

Airlines politely pointed out that they weren’t Police. (And they get a few back-fares when people get sent home.)

So why aren’t police at the airports?
or is it because they are all at the road border crossings?

Police (or officials) are in the receiving state’s airport. Police in the departing state have no jurisdiction.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Airlines politely pointed out that they weren’t Police. (And they get a few back-fares when people get sent home.)

So why aren’t police at the airports?
or is it because they are all at the road border crossings?

Police (or officials) are in the receiving state’s airport. Police in the departing state have no jurisdiction.

OK. So it wasn’t just luck then?

JFTR we’re not in any way suggesting those particular travellers were doing so illegally or otherwise in breach of restrictions (nor are we suggesting they had approval to travel). We know essentially nothing about their particular circumstances, and contribute solely to say only the above, that no matter the reason, being diverted to isolation may well have averted a king disaster.

SCIENCE said:

JFTR we’re not in any way suggesting those particular travellers were doing so illegally or otherwise in breach of restrictions (nor are we suggesting they had approval to travel). We know essentially nothing about their particular circumstances, and contribute solely to say only the above, that no matter the reason, being diverted to isolation may well have averted a king disaster.

Absolutely.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/04/teachers-tell-parents-in-england-to-ignore-baseless-letters-on-face-masks

Teaching unions have told parents to ignore letters circulating on social media that threaten legal action against schools requiring pupils to wear face masks or use hand sanitiser.

Lawyers say the threats contained in the letters are baseless, and that the latest government guidance gives schools the power to require masks to be worn when appropriate.

I am deeply concerned at the potential for detrimental health issues from mask wearing, and I serve this Notice of Liability on you to inform you I DO NOT CONSENT to my child being compelled to wear a mask at school and will, if any harm or injury arises from same, hold you personally liable for damages and or injury.”

There are powers within the Coronavirus Act 2020 to detain and take away anyone deemed to be infected and I say again, I DO NOT CONSENT to this abuse of unlawful power.

I would like to make you aware that some hand sanitisers through excessive use can contribute to eczema, dermatitis and the active chemicals can be absorbed in through the skin and adversely affect health in the long term.

The Department for Education and the Cabinet Office are said to have been aware of the misinformation circulating on social media, and the government’s rebuttal unit has been challenging posts on Facebook and other outlets.

Antibodies last at least 4 months post infection.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2028079?query=C19

poikilotherm said:

Antibodies last at least 4 months post infection.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2028079?query=C19

floc immunity

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Antibodies last at least 4 months post infection.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2028079?query=C19

floc immunity

(Warning. Devil’s advocate mode)

You know what that means, don’t you. It means that if you wait more than 4 months between vaccine invention and vaccine sale then that vaccine could have become useless by then.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Antibodies last at least 4 months post infection.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2028079?query=C19

floc immunity

(Warning. Devil’s advocate mode)

You know what that means, don’t you. It means that if you wait more than 4 months between vaccine invention and vaccine sale then that vaccine could have become useless by then.

No, it means the study didn’t follow them longer than 4 months.

poikilotherm said:

Antibodies last at least 4 months post infection.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2028079?query=C19

Good.

Ta.

And Like Magic, After Getting 6 Months More Power, New South China Extends Restrictions

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victorian-coronavirus-modelling-stage-4-melbourne-restrictions/12633912

probably appropriately so

Alarmists Go On About Federal-Falling-Apart And The Loss Of Consensus

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/scott-morrison-national-cabinet-states-going-in-different-ways/12630656

¡ But Just Imagine If The Federal Government Said “Keep Border Closures Until Epidemiologically Safe”, Then There Would Actually Be 100% Agreement !

¿ should this concern us ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/the-history-of-keep-calm-and-carry-on-pandemics-and-coronavirus/12591914

The deadly strain of the H1N1 virus spread through much of Europe in 1918, but many countries suppressed or barred reporting on issues that could be seen to undermine morale and the war effort at the time.

The virus would go on to infect 500 million people and estimates of the death toll range from 20 million to 100 million.

Yet the first wave was relatively mild.

¿ how would a “first wave” happen to be “relatively mild” ?

¿ previously we have advanced the sanitation-virulence hypothesis; is that adequate to explain a significant part of it ?

They have a link there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22148/

But 1918 seems to have been particularly violent. It began mildly, with a spring wave. In fact, it was so mild that some physicians wonder if this disease actually was influenza. Typically, several Italian doctors argued in separate journal articles that this “febrile disease now widely prevalent in Italy not influenza” (Policlinico, 1918). British doctors echoed that conclusion; a Lancet article in July 1918 argued that the spring epidemic was not influenza because the symptoms, though similar to influenza, were “of very short duration and so far absent of relapses or complications” (Little et al., 1918).

Within a few weeks of that Lancet article appearing, a second pandemic wave swept around the world. It also initially caused investigators to doubt that the disease was influenza—but this time because it was so virulent. It was followed by a third wave in 1919, and significant disease also struck in 1920. (Victims of the first wave enjoyed significant resistance to the second and third waves, offering compelling evidence that all were caused by the same virus. It is worth noting that the 1889–1890 pandemic also came in waves, but the third wave seemed to be the most lethal.)

The 1918 virus, especially in its second wave, was not only virulent and lethal, but extraordinarily violent. It created a range of symptoms rarely seen with the disease. After H5N1 first appeared in 1997, pathologists reported some findings “not previously described with influenza” (To et al., 2001). In fact, investigators in 1918 described every pathological change seen with H5N1 and more (Jordon, 1927: 266–268).

¿ so maybe Sweden, DPRNA, and similar shithole countries really did get it right: COVID-19 might be the mild wave, and next year we will have the violent virulent one which they will now be 14% protected from ?

¿ then again one could argue that SARS 2003 was the mild wave, it always makes more sense to blame CHINA, but yeah, should this concern us ?

India over 90,000 new cases yesterday.

Probably move up into 2nd place for number of cases today.

The Rev Dodgson said:

India over 90,000 new cases yesterday.

Probably move up into 2nd place for number of cases today.

and they were talking about reopening railways or something like that?

Another Totally Legit’ COVID-19 Control Curve

¡ it’s as believable as when they said “Jamal has left the building” !

Another Set Of Experts To Not Listen To

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-coronavirus-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-modelling/12633906

First New South China, then New South Wales, now New South Vietnam

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/two-new-coronavirus-cases-queensland/12620290

Good Luck With That Grand Final

Business Leaders Versus Medical Profession

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-roadmap-from-stage-4-coronavirus-restrictions-melbourne/12634546

SCIENCE said:

Business Leaders Versus Medical Profession

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-06/victoria-roadmap-from-stage-4-coronavirus-restrictions-melbourne/12634546

Not everyone is going to filled with happisness.