Test the water.
Rule 303 said:
Test the water.
It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Test the water.
It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
Yet it does. Worth looking up the original technical paper.
Come to think of it, it’s the same order of magnitude thing as finding Covid in the open air.
I want a virus detector that beeps whenever I encounter air containing a virus, any live virus, so when it beeps I can call out “you’re infected, you know”. It could perhaps be built from a nervous system (electrical wiring) through a live human cell culture.
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Test the water.
It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
They reckon it’s the most reliable indicator of an impending outbreak.
sarahs mum said:
Try this article. From the Netherlands.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.29.20045880v2.full.pdf
“To determine if SARS-CoV-2 is present in sewage during the emergence of COVID-19 in the Netherlands, sewage samples of 7 cities and the airport were tested using RT-PCR against three fragments of the nucleocapsid protein gene (N1-3) and one fragment of the envelope protein gene (E). The first case was reported in the Netherlands on February 27. On March 5, the N1 fragment was detected in sewage of five sites.”
“Before the onset of the epidemic in the Netherlands, wastewater treatment plants (WWTP) were selected that served 2 large and 3 medium sized cities and the main airport. The operators of each WWTP collected a sample of 250 mL over 24 h.”
“RNA was isolated on the day of sampling. Bacteria were removed from the samples by pelleting using centrifugation at 4654 g for 30 mins. A volume of 100-200 ml supernatant was filtered through Centricon® Plus-70 centrifugal ultrafilter with a cut-off of 100 kDa by centrifugation at 1500 g for 15 minutes. The resulting concentrate was split in two parts for: 1) quantitative culturing for F-specific RNA phages and 2) for RNA extraction and RT-PCR.”
RNA extracted “using the RNeasy PowerMicrobiome Kit, and the magnetic extraction reagents of the Biomerieux Nuclisens kit in combination with the semi-automated KingFisher mL.”


mollwollfumble said:
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Test the water.
It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
Yet it does. Worth looking up the original technical paper.
Come to think of it, it’s the same order of magnitude thing as finding Covid in the open air.
I want a virus detector that beeps whenever I encounter air containing a virus, any live virus, so when it beeps I can call out “you’re infected, you know”. It could perhaps be built from a nervous system (electrical wiring) through a live human cell culture.
It would drive you nuts.
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:
sarahs mum said:It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
Yet it does. Worth looking up the original technical paper.
Come to think of it, it’s the same order of magnitude thing as finding Covid in the open air.
I want a virus detector that beeps whenever I encounter air containing a virus, any live virus, so when it beeps I can call out “you’re infected, you know”. It could perhaps be built from a nervous system (electrical wiring) through a live human cell culture.
It would drive you nuts.
I’m willing to risk that.
mollwollfumble said:
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Test the water.
It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
Yet it does. Worth looking up the original technical paper.
Come to think of it, it’s the same order of magnitude thing as finding Covid in the open air.
I want a virus detector that beeps whenever I encounter air containing a virus, any live virus, so when it beeps I can call out “you’re infected, you know”. It could perhaps be built from a nervous system (electrical wiring) through a live human cell culture.
The trouble with the open air is that it is out in the open air, so you don’t know where it came from.
Sewage systems OTOH are closed systems, where you know (almost) exactly where it came from.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
sarahs mum said:It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
Yet it does. Worth looking up the original technical paper.
Come to think of it, it’s the same order of magnitude thing as finding Covid in the open air.
I want a virus detector that beeps whenever I encounter air containing a virus, any live virus, so when it beeps I can call out “you’re infected, you know”. It could perhaps be built from a nervous system (electrical wiring) through a live human cell culture.
The trouble with the open air is that it is out in the open air, so you don’t know where it came from.
Sewage systems OTOH are closed systems, where you know (almost) exactly where it came from.
separate to diagnosis though, if your aim is prevention, then we are a bit surprised that aerosol monitoring systems are not widely deployed for COVID-19 already
(seriously it’s not like smoke detectors have been widely deployed right)
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:Yet it does. Worth looking up the original technical paper.
Come to think of it, it’s the same order of magnitude thing as finding Covid in the open air.
I want a virus detector that beeps whenever I encounter air containing a virus, any live virus, so when it beeps I can call out “you’re infected, you know”. It could perhaps be built from a nervous system (electrical wiring) through a live human cell culture.
The trouble with the open air is that it is out in the open air, so you don’t know where it came from.
Sewage systems OTOH are closed systems, where you know (almost) exactly where it came from.
separate to diagnosis though, if your aim is prevention, then we are a bit surprised that aerosol monitoring systems are not widely deployed for COVID-19 already
(seriously it’s not like smoke detectors have been widely deployed right)
Wouldn’t it be too late once it is in your own home?
Rule 303 said:
sarahs mum said:
Rule 303 said:
Test the water.
It just seems a needle in a haystack sort of thing.
They reckon it’s the most reliable indicator of an impending outbreak.
Virus sensors in smartphones could lead to more Body Health Apps and way higher detection.
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