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“Free vaccinations for COVID-19 will be made available next year in Australia, depending on the outcome of “promising” drug trials, the Australian Government is expected to announce today.
In a statement released late on Sunday, the Federal Government said that contingent on the outcome of ongoing trials, vaccines would be made available “progressively” throughout 2021, following a $1.7 billion supply and production agreement with pharmaceutical companies AstraZeneca and CSL/Seqirus.

Key points:
Supply and production agreements worth $1.7 billion could see 84.8 million vaccine doses made available in Australia
Mr Morrison said there was no guarantee the vaccine trials will prove successful
But he said the agreement put Australia “at the top of the queue” for access”

Peak Warming Man said:

“Free vaccinations for COVID-19 will be made available next year in Australia, depending on the outcome of “promising” drug trials, the Australian Government is expected to announce today.
In a statement released late on Sunday, the Federal Government said that contingent on the outcome of ongoing trials, vaccines would be made available “progressively” throughout 2021, following a $1.7 billion supply and production agreement with pharmaceutical companies AstraZeneca and CSL/Seqirus.

Key points:
Supply and production agreements worth $1.7 billion could see 84.8 million vaccine doses made available in Australia
Mr Morrison said there was no guarantee the vaccine trials will prove successful
But he said the agreement put Australia “at the top of the queue” for access”

The vulnerable will be first. :)

SCIENCE said:

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Quick ¡ Blame CHINA* ¡¡ COVID-19 prepares the Economy (Must Grow) For Dramatic Growth ¡¡¡

https://theconversation.com/have-we-just-stumbled-on-the-biggest-productivity-increase-of-the-century-145104

working from home was one part of the pandemic response that went remarkably smoothly

we might have stumbled upon a massive opportunity for a microeconomic reform, yielding benefits far greater than those of the hard-fought changes of the late 20th century. The average worker spends an hour on commuting every work day

working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13% increase in productivity

(The Economy Must Grow Shrank 7% But It Will Be 13% More Productive OMG)**

*: see also https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-07/amazon-will-soon-see-inside-millions-of-aussie-homes/12582776 “it’s not Huawei, it’ll be good for everyone” ¡

**: they actually estimate we should halve that though

Believe it when you see it.

Random quote from a Melbourne based health care worker:

One side of our ICU is full of COVID.

The other side is full of overdoses. That’s the unwritten story of lockdown.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

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we might have stumbled upon a massive opportunity for a microeconomic reform, yielding benefits far greater than those of the hard-fought changes of the late 20th century. The average worker spends an hour on commuting every work day

working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13% increase in productivity

Believe it when you see it.

well we’ve pretty much benefited the amount they’ve mentioned above

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

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we might have stumbled upon a massive opportunity for a microeconomic reform, yielding benefits far greater than those of the hard-fought changes of the late 20th century. The average worker spends an hour on commuting every work day

working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13% increase in productivity

Believe it when you see it.

well we’ve pretty much benefited the amount they’ve mentioned above

If working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13 per cent increase in productivity (assuming a 38-hour working work).

If half the workforce achieved such a gain, it would be equivalent to a 6.5 per cent increase in productivity for the labour force as a whole.
> both these paragraphs started with that BIG word, if.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Believe it when you see it.

well we’ve pretty much benefited the amount they’ve mentioned above

If working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13 per cent increase in productivity (assuming a 38-hour working work).

If half the workforce achieved such a gain, it would be equivalent to a 6.5 per cent increase in productivity for the labour force as a whole.
> both these paragraphs started with that BIG word, if.

that’s a diminutive word

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

well we’ve pretty much benefited the amount they’ve mentioned above

If working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13 per cent increase in productivity (assuming a 38-hour working work).

If half the workforce achieved such a gain, it would be equivalent to a 6.5 per cent increase in productivity for the labour force as a whole.
> both these paragraphs started with that BIG word, if.

that’s a diminutive word

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

If working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13 per cent increase in productivity (assuming a 38-hour working work).

If half the workforce achieved such a gain, it would be equivalent to a 6.5 per cent increase in productivity for the labour force as a whole.
> both these paragraphs started with that BIG word, if.

that’s a diminutive word

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s a diminutive word

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

No you weren’t. You could easily have mentioned it yourself.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

No you weren’t. You could easily have mentioned it yourself.

I don’t have to mention anything, in fact.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

If working from home eliminated an hour of commuting, without changing time spent on work or reducing production, the result would be equivalent to a 13 per cent increase in productivity (assuming a 38-hour working work).

If half the workforce achieved such a gain, it would be equivalent to a 6.5 per cent increase in productivity for the labour force as a whole.
> both these paragraphs started with that BIG word, if.

that’s a diminutive word

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s a diminutive word

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Now that is what they should have mentioned.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Now that is what they should have mentioned.

But that is purely from the worker’s point of view. Co-worker interraction is often an efficient way of keeping a project on track, remove that and the worker may end up being very efficient on a redundant effort.

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Now that is what they should have mentioned.

But that is purely from the worker’s point of view. Co-worker interraction is often an efficient way of keeping a project on track, remove that and the worker may end up being very efficient on a redundant effort.

Yeah.

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s a diminutive word

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Plus going outside for some fresh air, playing with a pet, or just wandering around the house muttering to one’s self. All of which are proven to increase workers’ productivity.

Trying to WFH whilst home-teaching kids during lockdown presented quite a challenge for a lot of people though.

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Plus going outside for some fresh air, playing with a pet, or just wandering around the house muttering to one’s self. All of which are proven to increase workers’ productivity.

Trying to WFH whilst home-teaching kids during lockdown presented quite a challenge for a lot of people though.

There are many challenges, some undocumented.

However, working from home should indeed have many advantages if properly self disciplined in time usage.

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Plus going outside for some fresh air, playing with a pet, or just wandering around the house muttering to one’s self. All of which are proven to increase workers’ productivity.

Trying to WFH whilst home-teaching kids during lockdown presented quite a challenge for a lot of people though.

we do acknowledge that it’s a fair objection above, that people may not necessarily use their new spare time to just do more work, even if it’s happier time or wellbeing time

in terms of the home with children matter, the media do go on about how terrible it is for children to be around but then what about the millions of families who appreciate having more time together

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Plus going outside for some fresh air, playing with a pet, or just wandering around the house muttering to one’s self. All of which are proven to increase workers’ productivity.

Trying to WFH whilst home-teaching kids during lockdown presented quite a challenge for a lot of people though.

we do acknowledge that it’s a fair objection above, that people may not necessarily use their new spare time to just do more work, even if it’s happier time or wellbeing time

in terms of the home with children matter, the media do go on about how terrible it is for children to be around but then what about the millions of families who appreciate having more time together

All good points.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Plus going outside for some fresh air, playing with a pet, or just wandering around the house muttering to one’s self. All of which are proven to increase workers’ productivity.

Trying to WFH whilst home-teaching kids during lockdown presented quite a challenge for a lot of people though.

we do acknowledge that it’s a fair objection above, that people may not necessarily use their new spare time to just do more work, even if it’s happier time or wellbeing time

in terms of the home with children matter, the media do go on about how terrible it is for children to be around but then what about the millions of families who appreciate having more time together

Mr Mutant’s company encouraged WFH even before COVID. One of his colleagues works during school hours but has time off for assemblies or school activities. He makes up any lost time on Saturday mornings when his wife is home with the kids.

Usually I’m the school run/play at the park/school stuff person but if I can’t, Mr Mutant is there to take over. And of course he’s here when Mini Me gets home from school so there’s the opportunity for her to climb all over him and swing around in his chair when he gets a drink or goes to the loo…

Often Mr Mutant will take Jellybean and Mini Me for an afternoon walk, allow his mind to wander, and when he comes back he has a solution to whatever problem has been ticking him off since lunchtime. Another hour or so of work before dinner 👍

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

Plus going outside for some fresh air, playing with a pet, or just wandering around the house muttering to one’s self. All of which are proven to increase workers’ productivity.

Trying to WFH whilst home-teaching kids during lockdown presented quite a challenge for a lot of people though.

we do acknowledge that it’s a fair objection above, that people may not necessarily use their new spare time to just do more work, even if it’s happier time or wellbeing time

in terms of the home with children matter, the media do go on about how terrible it is for children to be around but then what about the millions of families who appreciate having more time together

I feel like a lot of the angst around homeschooling came form unrealistic expectations on what it should be… I mean there is no way that even people who choose to homeschool sit down with their kid for six hours a day and do work with them… that’s not homeschooling at all… unfortunately the media allowed a conversation of how ‘difficult’ it is and it gave people permission to jump on that, rather than allowing people to treat ‘homeschooling’ like conversations over cooking meals or going for walks and talking about nature stuff or incorporating lessons into life stuff…

homeschooling doesn’t have to be difficult nd it certainly should not be anything like in class schooling…

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s a diminutive word

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

Arts said:

I feel like a lot of the angst around homeschooling came form unrealistic expectations on what it should be… I mean there is no way that even people who choose to homeschool sit down with their kid for six hours a day and do work with them… that’s not homeschooling at all… unfortunately the media allowed a conversation of how ‘difficult’ it is and it gave people permission to jump on that, rather than allowing people to treat ‘homeschooling’ like conversations over cooking meals or going for walks and talking about nature stuff or incorporating lessons into life stuff…

homeschooling doesn’t have to be difficult nd it certainly should not be anything like in class schooling…

Like.

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

The water cooler stand offs?

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

buffy said:

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

this is no way to have a nervous breakdown…

buffy said:

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

buffy said:

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

I did try running a watchmaking business at home. I was using the pricing from Jewellery shops because that is where the work came from. I soon found out what I had been told and that was that the watchmaker in the jewellery shop had been from before I started the apprenticeship, merely a service to keep customers coming in the door.

Arts said:

buffy said:

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

this is no way to have a nervous breakdown…

indeed.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

Years ago we owned a Post Office/ telephone exchange. That was 24/7 working from home. (Good $$ though)

Yes. But only because the government paid you to do the job.

I do also have some concerns about the working from home. From the employer’s point of view, you are still entirely responsible for safety in the workplace. But you have much less control when the employee is working from home. I’m not sure what happens for a WorkSafe inspection. Do the WorkSafe people visit people’s homes? From the employee’s point of view, you would want to have very clear information in your contract/award about paying for electricity, heating, etc. I can see exploitation possibilities galore from both sides.

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Hang on, if you are only removing the commuting bit (which is done on your own time, not work time), how is productivity improved (worktime).

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

I was just talking to a friend who works for KPMG. Productivity throughout that company is through the roof, and even in regions of Australia where people are now allowed to be back in the office management is trying to limit it to only a couple a days a week as they’ve realised that the people WFH are putting in way more useful hours.

buffy said:

I do also have some concerns about the working from home. From the employer’s point of view, you are still entirely responsible for safety in the workplace. But you have much less control when the employee is working from home. I’m not sure what happens for a WorkSafe inspection. Do the WorkSafe people visit people’s homes? From the employee’s point of view, you would want to have very clear information in your contract/award about paying for electricity, heating, etc. I can see exploitation possibilities galore from both sides.

For a start, you have to have public liability insurance.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

I was just talking to a friend who works for KPMG. Productivity throughout that company is through the roof, and even in regions of Australia where people are now allowed to be back in the office management is trying to limit it to only a couple a days a week as they’ve realised that the people WFH are putting in way more useful hours.

That, I do believe.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

Years ago we owned a Post Office/ telephone exchange. That was 24/7 working from home. (Good $$ though)

Yes. But only because the government paid you to do the job.

Arts said:

buffy said:

I’ve never had an occupation that could be worked from home. Well, not without having the practice in the front of your house and never being “off duty”. And that was not for me. One of the reasons we never moved into Hamilton was to keep me far enough away that I couldn’t just “pop in to the office” after tea in the evenings. It’s probably different if it is your own business. There was a lot of over-run – continuing education was all on my own time, and I did a lot of that – but I tried hard to separate work and home. I did not define myself as an optometrist 24/7.

this is no way to have a nervous breakdown…

Worked a treat – Mr buffy has the PTSD. He was on call from home for about 10 years when he was the Community Ambulance Officer here. He was supposed to say he wasn’t available sometimes at least, but he wasn’t very good at that. There is no way I could have worked like that, constantly on alert. I need order in my life. Optometry was a good fit for me. Appointments. Control. Can shut the door and go home.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

I was just talking to a friend who works for KPMG. Productivity throughout that company is through the roof, and even in regions of Australia where people are now allowed to be back in the office management is trying to limit it to only a couple a days a week as they’ve realised that the people WFH are putting in way more useful hours.

They would be people like my brother, on salaries, not wages. So no fixed hours as such, more piecework in effect.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

I was just talking to a friend who works for KPMG. Productivity throughout that company is through the roof, and even in regions of Australia where people are now allowed to be back in the office management is trying to limit it to only a couple a days a week as they’ve realised that the people WFH are putting in way more useful hours.

They would be people like my brother, on salaries, not wages. So no fixed hours as such, more piecework in effect.

Yes, all salary people.

I did a startup of my own, a native plant nursery. I was lucky in that I did it before any restrictions were put on. Maybe there were some but I managed to succeed for a while.
Luckily I decided to stop when the hours and available space got to be too much for me. Before I looked into employing people and seeking a larger property and other considerations.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Years ago we owned a Post Office/ telephone exchange. That was 24/7 working from home. (Good $$ though)

Yes. But only because the government paid you to do the job.

The personal service we supplied increased the number of calls made quite significantly.

:) love thy work.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

I was just talking to a friend who works for KPMG. Productivity throughout that company is through the roof, and even in regions of Australia where people are now allowed to be back in the office management is trying to limit it to only a couple a days a week as they’ve realised that the people WFH are putting in way more useful hours.

They would be people like my brother, on salaries, not wages. So no fixed hours as such, more piecework in effect.

Yes, all salary people.

As I commented to my mother many years ago when she said something about “poor G, he has to do overseas phone calls at all hours of the night”…when you are paid the huge salary he was paid (it was towards the 1/4 million mark, quite some years ago, when the mean wages/salary was about $50,000), they own you. I had no sympathy. It was the career he chose and he was extremely well paid. (I know that sounds like jealousy, but in no way was I jealous of his conditions. And he spent/spends quite a lot of time worrying about whether he is paid as much as his friends. I’ve never actually understood why a well off person would worry about that. He has more than enough for his needs)

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. But only because the government paid you to do the job.

The personal service we supplied increased the number of calls made quite significantly.

:) love thy work.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

They would be people like my brother, on salaries, not wages. So no fixed hours as such, more piecework in effect.

Yes, all salary people.

As I commented to my mother many years ago when she said something about “poor G, he has to do overseas phone calls at all hours of the night”…when you are paid the huge salary he was paid (it was towards the 1/4 million mark, quite some years ago, when the mean wages/salary was about $50,000), they own you. I had no sympathy. It was the career he chose and he was extremely well paid. (I know that sounds like jealousy, but in no way was I jealous of his conditions. And he spent/spends quite a lot of time worrying about whether he is paid as much as his friends. I’ve never actually understood why a well off person would worry about that. He has more than enough for his needs)

That is his worry if he wants it. Not yours to even bother with unless you want to take it on.

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

Unsure it is discussed in the article or even able to be measured, but anecdotal reports suggest that unnecessary meetings and co-worker distractions are reduced to a minimum allowing the worker to be more productive.

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

I was just talking to a friend who works for KPMG. Productivity throughout that company is through the roof, and even in regions of Australia where people are now allowed to be back in the office management is trying to limit it to only a couple a days a week as they’ve realised that the people WFH are putting in way more useful hours.

Possibly because they have escaped the ridiculous bullshit know as the ‘shared’ office space.

Seems to be taking a ridiculously long time for employers to wake up about that shit.

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

Territory I’m glad I no longer have to enter.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

also the casual conversations that take place in an office that use up five minutes at a time…

I was just talking to a friend who works for KPMG. Productivity throughout that company is through the roof, and even in regions of Australia where people are now allowed to be back in the office management is trying to limit it to only a couple a days a week as they’ve realised that the people WFH are putting in way more useful hours.

Possibly because they have escaped the ridiculous bullshit know as the ‘shared’ office space.

Seems to be taking a ridiculously long time for employers to wake up about that shit.

Hear hear.

buffy said:

I do also have some concerns about the working from home. From the employer’s point of view, you are still entirely responsible for safety in the workplace. But you have much less control when the employee is working from home. I’m not sure what happens for a WorkSafe inspection. Do the WorkSafe people visit people’s homes? From the employee’s point of view, you would want to have very clear information in your contract/award about paying for electricity, heating, etc. I can see exploitation possibilities galore from both sides.

The better employers seem to have developed a WFH safety audit process, wherein the employee fills out a questionnaire and submits some photos for the WH&S people to assess.

I hope Woodie hasn’t sold any of his CSL stocks.

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

There’s lots of little compliance issues like this that have been moved to the back-burner during the Covid-19 period. This kind of stuff is the reason WH&S legislation is full of phrases like ‘As far as is reasonably practicable’.

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

No big company I worked for had in-house personnel for test-and-tag. Always used contractors.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

No big company I worked for had in-house personnel for test-and-tag. Always used contractors.

True. Though I also worked with a lot of people who practised none of anything that pertained to regulations about having employees or any safety issues at all.

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

captain_spalding said:

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

:) totally with you there brother.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

There’s lots of little compliance issues like this that have been moved to the back-burner during the Covid-19 period. This kind of stuff is the reason WH&S legislation is full of phrases like ‘As far as is reasonably practicable’.

Which doesn’t mean that if your employee electrocutes themselves with your equipment set up dodgy in their home office you are home and free. You still face fines and gaol. COVID or not. It’s a risk assessment thing.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

No big company I worked for had in-house personnel for test-and-tag. Always used contractors.

So cost of contractors goes up rather a lot when they have to go to 500 homes instead of just one office.

captain_spalding said:

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

And FFS learn how to conduct meetings before even thinking about taking the chair. The vast majority of bullshit that happens in meeting (IME) happens because the twit in the chair couldn’t drive a greasy stick into a dog’s bum.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

There’s lots of little compliance issues like this that have been moved to the back-burner during the Covid-19 period. This kind of stuff is the reason WH&S legislation is full of phrases like ‘As far as is reasonably practicable’.

Which doesn’t mean that if your employee electrocutes themselves with your equipment set up dodgy in their home office you are home and free. You still face fines and gaol. COVID or not. It’s a risk assessment thing.

It surely is. Your responsibility to make sure that such events do not happen.

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

And FFS learn how to conduct meetings before even thinking about taking the chair. The vast majority of bullshit that happens in meeting (IME) happens because the twit in the chair couldn’t drive a greasy stick into a dog’s bum.

such correlation. :)

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I’m now curious. How is test and tag handled for working from home? The gear (computer, electric jug for tea/coffee, printer etc) would need to be test and tagged at least each 2 years. We trained one of our staff and bought the equipment and he did it for us. When he left, I gave the equipment to the son of one of our long term patients so he could train and set himself up in business. Then he did our test and tagging regularly in payment for the equiment. I know there are mobile businesses doing it, but wouldn’t big mobs have an in house person doing that sort of thing?

There’s lots of little compliance issues like this that have been moved to the back-burner during the Covid-19 period. This kind of stuff is the reason WH&S legislation is full of phrases like ‘As far as is reasonably practicable’.

Which doesn’t mean that if your employee electrocutes themselves with your equipment set up dodgy in their home office you are home and free. You still face fines and gaol. COVID or not. It’s a risk assessment thing.

Yeah, it would be an interesting one…

captain_spalding said:

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

There’s some good points there.
I’ll ask Simon to talk to those points and then we can move on to item 2.
Simon.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

There’s some good points there.
I’ll ask Simon to talk to those points and then we can move on to item 2.
Simon.

ROFL Haven’t we all been there :)

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

There’s some good points there.
I’ll ask Simon to talk to those points and then we can move on to item 2.
Simon.

ROFL Haven’t we all been there :)

but now it’s 20 mins of… “is this on? can you see me?” , “Vera, you need to turn your microphone on… Vera… Vera, turn on your mic, we can’t hear you” , “if everyone can just keep their mic off until they want to speak that would really help, we don’t need to hear John’s dogs barking” “Sorry guys, my internet is slow can you repeat all of that?” etc and so on.

When I was young(er) and naive(er) and had just taken over the practice, the Thing was to have staff meetings once a week. So I tried it. Monday morning tea time, we had a “meeting” There were only three of us, so we didn’t bother with structure. But none of us really had anything to say, so we just went back to dealing with issues as they arose. I guess you can do that easily in a micro business.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

95% of ‘meetings’ are bullshit.

I’ve seen a few ‘meetings’ that were purposeful (usually start-of-day exchanges of what’s going on in your area, so people can co-ordinate and be aware), but most are pointless.

At the very least, i’d like to see every meeting end with the question ‘should this meeting convene again?’ Perhaps some sort of secret ballot. To prevent meetings taking place after they’ve outlived their purpose.

Ideal meeting room: no chairs, everyone stands. 30 min time limit. After 30 mins, bright lights begin to flash, and loud marching music is played.

Same as getting the important stuff on one written page: if you can’t get the vital stuff across in 30 mins, it can’t bethat vital.

There’s some good points there.
I’ll ask Simon to talk to those points and then we can move on to item 2.
Simon.

Ha!

:)

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s some good points there.
I’ll ask Simon to talk to those points and then we can move on to item 2.
Simon.

ROFL Haven’t we all been there :)

but now it’s 20 mins of… “is this on? can you see me?” , “Vera, you need to turn your microphone on… Vera… Vera, turn on your mic, we can’t hear you” , “if everyone can just keep their mic off until they want to speak that would really help, we don’t need to hear John’s dogs barking” “Sorry guys, my internet is slow can you repeat all of that?” etc and so on.

Nope. We’re recording the meeting. Sort your shit out or download it later.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s some good points there.
I’ll ask Simon to talk to those points and then we can move on to item 2.
Simon.

ROFL Haven’t we all been there :)

but now it’s 20 mins of… “is this on? can you see me?” , “Vera, you need to turn your microphone on… Vera… Vera, turn on your mic, we can’t hear you” , “if everyone can just keep their mic off until they want to speak that would really help, we don’t need to hear John’s dogs barking” “Sorry guys, my internet is slow can you repeat all of that?” etc and so on.

I was on one last week where one group was in an office together and were using a shared mic. They refused to mute it and the feedback made the whole meeting unlistenable for everyone else.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

ROFL Haven’t we all been there :)

but now it’s 20 mins of… “is this on? can you see me?” , “Vera, you need to turn your microphone on… Vera… Vera, turn on your mic, we can’t hear you” , “if everyone can just keep their mic off until they want to speak that would really help, we don’t need to hear John’s dogs barking” “Sorry guys, my internet is slow can you repeat all of that?” etc and so on.

I was on one last week where one group was in an office together and were using a shared mic. They refused to mute it and the feedback made the whole meeting unlistenable for everyone else.

The Obeid court case thingy upset the judge somewhat.

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-07/nsw-coronavirus-four-new-infections-confirmed/12635872

BOOM

three cases are healthcare workers at Concord Hospital and Liverpool Hospital. One person worked at Concord emergency department on September 1 from 7:00pm to 7:00am while infectious, NSW Health said. Two other healthcare workers completed several shifts in Liverpool Hospital’s emergency department from September 2-4. “The three newly-reported health workers reported having no symptoms while at work and wore personal protective equipment (PPE) while caring for patients,” a NSW Health spokesperson said.

A visitor to Concord’s emergency department has also tested positive for COVID-19 after visiting on September 1. The case will be included in tomorrow’s numbers

Frontline Workers Eh, Who Needs ‘Em

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-07/nsw-coronavirus-four-new-infections-confirmed/12635872

BOOM

three cases are healthcare workers at Concord Hospital and Liverpool Hospital. One person worked at Concord emergency department on September 1 from 7:00pm to 7:00am while infectious, NSW Health said. Two other healthcare workers completed several shifts in Liverpool Hospital’s emergency department from September 2-4. “The three newly-reported health workers reported having no symptoms while at work and wore personal protective equipment (PPE) while caring for patients,” a NSW Health spokesperson said.

A visitor to Concord’s emergency department has also tested positive for COVID-19 after visiting on September 1. The case will be included in tomorrow’s numbers

Frontline Workers Eh, Who Needs ‘Em

Did you say if was a diminutive?
This is a diminutive.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/health-professional-contracts-covid-after-working-at-two-major-nsw-hospitals-c-1294441

it’s gunna blow

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-07/nsw-coronavirus-four-new-infections-confirmed/12635872

BOOM

three cases are healthcare workers at Concord Hospital and Liverpool Hospital. One person worked at Concord emergency department on September 1 from 7:00pm to 7:00am while infectious, NSW Health said. Two other healthcare workers completed several shifts in Liverpool Hospital’s emergency department from September 2-4. “The three newly-reported health workers reported having no symptoms while at work and wore personal protective equipment (PPE) while caring for patients,” a NSW Health spokesperson said.

A visitor to Concord’s emergency department has also tested positive for COVID-19 after visiting on September 1. The case will be included in tomorrow’s numbers

Frontline Workers Eh, Who Needs ‘Em

I wonder what the statistics would look like if there more permanent jobs for nurses and less casual staffing.

Ask the Liberal party.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-07/nsw-coronavirus-four-new-infections-confirmed/12635872

BOOM

three cases are healthcare workers at Concord Hospital and Liverpool Hospital. One person worked at Concord emergency department on September 1 from 7:00pm to 7:00am while infectious, NSW Health said. Two other healthcare workers completed several shifts in Liverpool Hospital’s emergency department from September 2-4. “The three newly-reported health workers reported having no symptoms while at work and wore personal protective equipment (PPE) while caring for patients,” a NSW Health spokesperson said.

A visitor to Concord’s emergency department has also tested positive for COVID-19 after visiting on September 1. The case will be included in tomorrow’s numbers

Frontline Workers Eh, Who Needs ‘Em

I wonder what the statistics would look like if there more permanent jobs for nurses and less casual staffing.

Ask the Liberal party.

Ask the AMA, a lot of whose members have significant interests in age care homes, and their profits.

I went through the border this morning, I had to go to the Stanthorpe police station to get my Border Pass renewed.
The lady at the desk said I’ll just get an officer to sign that for you, I said no this is the old one I need a new form, she said oh yes, she gave me a new form.
The officer came out to sign it and said I need a new one every day I came through, I pointed out that the pass was good for 7 days and showed him where it said that, he said oh yes.
He then spent the next 10 minutes describing a trail bike trip he’d done through Rivertree and how beautiful it was. He didn’t even ask for any identification. It’s very low key to them.

Arts said:

but now it’s 20 mins of… “is this on? can you see me?” , “Vera, you need to turn your microphone on… Vera… Vera, turn on your mic, we can’t hear you” , “if everyone can just keep their mic off until they want to speak that would really help, we don’t need to hear John’s dogs barking” “Sorry guys, my internet is slow can you repeat all of that?” etc and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFVHaus_pjI

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

but now it’s 20 mins of… “is this on? can you see me?” , “Vera, you need to turn your microphone on… Vera… Vera, turn on your mic, we can’t hear you” , “if everyone can just keep their mic off until they want to speak that would really help, we don’t need to hear John’s dogs barking” “Sorry guys, my internet is slow can you repeat all of that?” etc and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFVHaus_pjI

yeah, that one’s a classic…. but also 11/10 would prefer them as colleagues.

Peak Warming Man said:

I went through the border this morning, I had to go to the Stanthorpe police station to get my Border Pass renewed.
The lady at the desk said I’ll just get an officer to sign that for you, I said no this is the old one I need a new form, she said oh yes, she gave me a new form.
The officer came out to sign it and said I need a new one every day I came through, I pointed out that the pass was good for 7 days and showed him where it said that, he said oh yes.
He then spent the next 10 minutes describing a trail bike trip he’d done through Rivertree and how beautiful it was. He didn’t even ask for any identification. It’s very low key to them.

I just got back from the border
And what I saw made me know for sure
We’re out of order

International Exceptionalism Game Now Playing Out In Australian Microcosm

But don’t worry, NSW should thank the Prime Marketer for his gushing before they have a healthcare worker crisis and 1000 of their own end up in ICU.

—

3hhours ago

By Sophie Meixner

Scott Morrison says NSW has proven it can ‘cope with much higher levels’ of contact tracing than Victoria

Well, New South Wales can cope with much higher levels. That’s just a matter of record. I think those things speak for themselves. That’s why I have highlighted the issue of, how can we work together to boost the efficacy of contact tracing and integrate it into the overall response to the pandemic?

   

Clearly, what New South Wales is doing is working better than other places because they have the biggest threats to their system and have had the best results in response to those threats. So that clearly indicates that that is the standard which we should be seeking to move towards.

1hhour ago

By Sophie Meixner

Key Event

Daniel Andrews says comparing NSW and Victoria’s contact tracing is flawed

When asked whether the low numbers of daily cases required for the later stages of reopening were an admission that Victoria’s contact tracing system was not up to scratch, Mr Andrews said the targets were “not a reflection on those matters”.

He said comparisons with New South Wales needed to acknowledge that Victoria had experienced greater community transmission.

“I’ve seen all this commentary about, ‘Oh, well, under our settings, they’d be in lockdown’,” he said.

“No, they wouldn’t. Because they’ve not had the community transmission we’ve had.

“So we are different. And you’ve got to have settings that marry up with that difference, otherwise it’s not a strategy.”

He said the contact tracing team, which was hitting its current performance targets, needed to be given a winnable chance of staying across new cases once the state began to lift restrictions.

“It’s got to be a fair fight,” he said.

“If you say, ‘go and chase 5,000 people a day’ in cases and close contacts, very few jurisdictions can do that, if any.”

2hhours ago

By Sophie Meixner

Queensland’s Health Minister says Queensland contact tracers are ‘the best in the nation’ and Scott Morrison is ‘turning it into a competition’

  

Steven Miles:

  

Our contact tracers here in Queensland are the best in the nation, I think they’ve proven that, I think they’re doing a great job.

 

It’s not really a competition. I know Mr Morrison keeps trying to turn it into a competition between the Liberal-led states and the Labor-led states, I don’t think that’s fair.

 

Look at the actual results. Look at the number of cases, look at which states have been effective at keeping their economies moving, and on all of those measures it’s states like Queensland and WA that stand out. Scott Morrison might not like to acknowledge that, though.

Speaking of the Prime Marketing Success, they sold you premature border opening, and now they’re selling you premature shots!

Rush rush rush!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-07/how-realistic-are-the-covid-19-vaccine-timelines/12636164

Vaccine experts ‘surprised’ over Government’s ‘optimistic’ COVID-19 vaccine rollout timeline

“So I’m surprised that they are thinking January would be the optimum time.

“It would mean it would be an ‘unconventional’ approach to looking at efficacy and safety, less than a year.

“I think it is unusual, and one would have to be very sure of one’s figures, to actually move from phase 3 into supply.”

some interesting Fast Facts from Sara. There is 3 or 4 posts which you’ll have to scroll down to find. worth it.

https://www.facebook.com/saramarzoukdr/

Oh goodness, where is poik? He will loove this one…“an umbrella systematic review (a systematic review of systematic reviews) was published in Canadian Family Physician”. Here is Sebastian Rushworth’s review of the umbrella systematic review…

:)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/05/do-face-masks-stop-respiratory-infections/

And this is interesting too.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/08/what-is-the-best-way-to-measure-rates-of-covid-immunity/

I had been looking at a ranking table of countries, it showed cases, deaths etc and I can’t remember which one it was. Anyone got a link? I thought it was in worldofdata but I can’t find it there.

(Back shortly, things to do)

Sorry, ourworldindata.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

sibeen said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Thanks, that’s it. I didn’t follow far enough through.

So we have dropped down to 105 in the rankings for the deaths per million population, and USA has now overtaken Sweden. I was wondering how long USA would take to do that.

buffy said:

So we have dropped down to 105 in the rankings for the deaths per million population, and USA has now overtaken Sweden. I was wondering how long USA would take to do that.

France is moving up the charts with a bullet.

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

¿ Remember when the Silent Majority of 33% were Quiet Aussie Battlers and didn’t want radical climate or equity or whatever reforms, and our Glorious Politicians would listen to them ? ¡ Well now we have a silent majority of 95% quietly battling it out under restrictions that they accept so they or their loved ones don’t have to just go and die, but apparently instead Everyone Wants The Economy Must Grow To Open Up !

Millennial Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/sydney-summer-beachgoers-coronavirus-local-government/12636632

SCIENCE said:

¿ Remember when the Silent Majority of 33% were Quiet Aussie Battlers and didn’t want radical climate or equity or whatever reforms, and our Glorious Politicians would listen to them ? ¡ Well now we have a silent majority of 95% quietly battling it out under restrictions that they accept so they or their loved ones don’t have to just go and die, but apparently instead Everyone Wants The Economy Must Grow To Open Up !

sings

Gladys shut your borders down
Gladys shut your borders down
Gladys shut your borders down
We don’t want covid.

Danny open up again
Danny open up again
Danny open up again
We’ve all had enough

SCIENCE said:

¿ Remember when the Silent Majority of 33% were Quiet Aussie Battlers and didn’t want radical climate or equity or whatever reforms, and our Glorious Politicians would listen to them ? ¡ Well now we have a silent majority of 95% quietly battling it out under restrictions that they accept so they or their loved ones don’t have to just go and die, but apparently instead Everyone Wants The Economy Must Grow To Open Up !

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ Remember when the Silent Majority of 33% were Quiet Aussie Battlers and didn’t want radical climate or equity or whatever reforms, and our Glorious Politicians would listen to them ? ¡ Well now we have a silent majority of 95% quietly battling it out under restrictions that they accept so they or their loved ones don’t have to just go and die, but apparently instead Everyone Wants The Economy Must Grow To Open Up !

sings

Gladys shut your borders down
Gladys shut your borders down
Gladys shut your borders down
We don’t want covid.

Danny open up again
Danny open up again
Danny open up again
We’ve all had enough

Savings are growing. If that helps?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ Remember when the Silent Majority of 33% were Quiet Aussie Battlers and didn’t want radical climate or equity or whatever reforms, and our Glorious Politicians would listen to them ? ¡ Well now we have a silent majority of 95% quietly battling it out under restrictions that they accept so they or their loved ones don’t have to just go and die, but apparently instead Everyone Wants The Economy Must Grow To Open Up !

sings

Gladys shut your borders down
Gladys shut your borders down
Gladys shut your borders down
We don’t want covid.

Danny open up again
Danny open up again
Danny open up again
We’ve all had enough

Well done.

:)

https://www.sciencealert.com/mysterious-post-covid-syndrome-is-severely-damaging-kids-hearts-new-study-shows

Hubris :: Isn’t It Beautiful

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/why-pm-says-nsw-is-gold-standard-in-covid-19-control/12636890

It isn’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/nsw-coronvirus-nine-new-infections-confirmed/12639524

Scomo’s promos are woemoes?

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

That is not lying. That is a thing that happens with testing for anything. False positives happen.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

That is not lying. That is a thing that happens with testing for anything. False positives happen.

There’s two options:

1. Treat all positive results as ‘likely to be correct’ and react accordingly to that, at the risk of inconvenience to a set of people.

2. Treat all positive results as ‘maybe negative, we need to wait and see, go about your business until we know more’, and behave as that dictates.

Which one is less likely to produce infections that could have been avoided?

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

That is not lying. That is a thing that happens with testing for anything. False positives happen.

Correct.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

That is not lying. That is a thing that happens with testing for anything. False positives happen.

+ eleventy billion

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

Which news service is responsible for this bit?

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

Which news service is responsible for this bit?

There was a time when there was an universal call for: refs?

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

Health authorities have apologised after a student from a western Sydney school was falsely diagnosed with COVID-19, shutting down the school and forcing some students and staff to isolate.

The student at Lidcombe Public School tested positive for coronavirus on the weekend, but further tests showed they were not infected.

Which news service is responsible for this bit?

There was a time when there was an universal call for: refs?

We Apologise

Sorry We Should Have Said

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-victoria-daniel-andrews/12638456

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Which news service is responsible for this bit?

There was a time when there was an universal call for: refs?

We Apologise

Sorry We Should Have Said

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-victoria-daniel-andrews/12638456

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Which news service is responsible for this bit?

There was a time when there was an universal call for: refs?

We Apologise

Sorry We Should Have Said

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-victoria-daniel-andrews/12638456

It’s still not lying. It’s still just a false positive.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Which news service is responsible for this bit?

There was a time when there was an universal call for: refs?

We Apologise

Sorry We Should Have Said

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-victoria-daniel-andrews/12638456

Oh right. You made up the bit about lying again.

Rightio then. I’ll get back to my fog of depression then.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

There was a time when there was an universal call for: refs?

We Apologise

Sorry We Should Have Said

NSW Health Caught Lying Again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-victoria-daniel-andrews/12638456

It’s still not lying. It’s still just a false positive.

a fake fact?

rusty iron, ic

sarahs mum said:

¿ New Zealand won Round 2 ?

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

¿ New Zealand won Round 2 ?

Oh yeah.

I was mesmerised at the patterns above.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

¿ New Zealand won Round 2 ?

They haven’t had round 2 yet.

Worldwide. Daily new cases up. Daily new deaths down.

I wish they’d make up their minds.

UK: Looks like they are just about on the verge of a second wave

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

party_pants said:

UK: Looks like they are just about on the verge of a second wave

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So just like Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal…ah, lets just call it Western Europe.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

UK: Looks like they are just about on the verge of a second wave

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So just like Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal…ah, lets just call it Western Europe.

I’m slowly working my way through the list. But I don’t want to kill the forum.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

UK: Looks like they are just about on the verge of a second wave

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So just like Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal…ah, lets just call it Western Europe.

I’m slowly working my way through the list. But I don’t want to kill the forum.

I’m really wary of using any figures by anyone in this whole thing. It just get used politically. It will take years and years for this to shake out.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

UK: Looks like they are just about on the verge of a second wave

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So just like Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal…ah, lets just call it Western Europe.

It’s like the UK belongs in the EU.

England’s Covid testing troubles: ‘Something is clearly going wrong’

Guardian readers describe their frustrating experiences trying to obtain tests for coronavirus

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/08/englands-covid-testing-troubles-something-is-clearly-going-wrong

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

UK: Looks like they are just about on the verge of a second wave

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So just like Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal…ah, lets just call it Western Europe.

It’s like the UK belongs in the EU.

I heard somewhere, not sure of the source, that they decided, by a vote, that they want to leave. God knows how that will pan out.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

UK: Looks like they are just about on the verge of a second wave

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So just like Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal…ah, lets just call it Western Europe.

It’s like the UK belongs in the EU.

them’s fighting words these days :P

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

So just like Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal…ah, lets just call it Western Europe.

It’s like the UK belongs in the EU.

I heard somewhere, not sure of the source, that they decided, by a vote, that they want to leave. God knows how that will pan out.

Can we place predictions now?

Dissolution of the union and a crash outside of the G7.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s like the UK belongs in the EU.

I heard somewhere, not sure of the source, that they decided, by a vote, that they want to leave. God knows how that will pan out.

Can we place predictions now?

Dissolution of the union and a crash outside of the G7.

None of the above.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

I heard somewhere, not sure of the source, that they decided, by a vote, that they want to leave. God knows how that will pan out.

Can we place predictions now?

Dissolution of the union and a crash outside of the G7.

None of the above.

They are so very fucked come January 2021. They just don’t know it yet. There will not be a deal giving the UK access to the single market after the transition period ends. It is going to bite them hard early in the new year. There will be food shortages and riots in the streets because goods will simply not get though.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Can we place predictions now?

Dissolution of the union and a crash outside of the G7.

None of the above.

They are so very fucked come January 2021. They just don’t know it yet. There will not be a deal giving the UK access to the single market after the transition period ends. It is going to bite them hard early in the new year. There will be food shortages and riots in the streets because goods will simply not get though.

Nup. I really don’t believe that. They’ll muddle through the first year or so. Whether they come out stronger or weaker after a few years history will tell. I doubt much will actually change.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

None of the above.

They are so very fucked come January 2021. They just don’t know it yet. There will not be a deal giving the UK access to the single market after the transition period ends. It is going to bite them hard early in the new year. There will be food shortages and riots in the streets because goods will simply not get though.

Nup. I really don’t believe that. They’ll muddle through the first year or so. Whether they come out stronger or weaker after a few years history will tell. I doubt much will actually change.

I can’t see them recovering from a no trade deal situation with the EU. Their export trade with the EU will plummet because they’ll be subject to tariffs and customs checks. Over half their current trade is with the EU on single market access terms. if they lose that they are not going to find replacements markets in any great hurry, they are just a medium sized industrialised country, they will find themselves in fierce competition with USA, China, Japan, South Korea, and the rest of the EU in whatever other markets they pursue. They are not a world leader in many things these days, they are just one of a large pack of similar countries. Going to be real tough oustide the EU tent.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

They are so very fucked come January 2021. They just don’t know it yet. There will not be a deal giving the UK access to the single market after the transition period ends. It is going to bite them hard early in the new year. There will be food shortages and riots in the streets because goods will simply not get though.

Nup. I really don’t believe that. They’ll muddle through the first year or so. Whether they come out stronger or weaker after a few years history will tell. I doubt much will actually change.

I can’t see them recovering from a no trade deal situation with the EU. Their export trade with the EU will plummet because they’ll be subject to tariffs and customs checks. Over half their current trade is with the EU on single market access terms. if they lose that they are not going to find replacements markets in any great hurry, they are just a medium sized industrialised country, they will find themselves in fierce competition with USA, China, Japan, South Korea, and the rest of the EU in whatever other markets they pursue. They are not a world leader in many things these days, they are just one of a large pack of similar countries. Going to be real tough oustide the EU tent.

they passed laws tother day that mean exports don’t have to comply with uk food standards.

bleached chicken is on the menu.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Nup. I really don’t believe that. They’ll muddle through the first year or so. Whether they come out stronger or weaker after a few years history will tell. I doubt much will actually change.

I can’t see them recovering from a no trade deal situation with the EU. Their export trade with the EU will plummet because they’ll be subject to tariffs and customs checks. Over half their current trade is with the EU on single market access terms. if they lose that they are not going to find replacements markets in any great hurry, they are just a medium sized industrialised country, they will find themselves in fierce competition with USA, China, Japan, South Korea, and the rest of the EU in whatever other markets they pursue. They are not a world leader in many things these days, they are just one of a large pack of similar countries. Going to be real tough oustide the EU tent.

they passed laws tother day that mean exports don’t have to comply with uk food standards.

bleached chicken is on the menu.

You mean imports?

This is the sort of thing that ruins their trade with the EU. The EU have banned chlorinated chicken because the process doesn’t actually kill harmful bacteria, They can’t change EU law by an act of the English parliament, so they shoot themselves in the foot and lose market access. Other countries (say in northern Africa) might not be keen on importing substandard chicken either, and the UK can’t just send in the gunboats to make the local sultan sign up to it.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

I can’t see them recovering from a no trade deal situation with the EU. Their export trade with the EU will plummet because they’ll be subject to tariffs and customs checks. Over half their current trade is with the EU on single market access terms. if they lose that they are not going to find replacements markets in any great hurry, they are just a medium sized industrialised country, they will find themselves in fierce competition with USA, China, Japan, South Korea, and the rest of the EU in whatever other markets they pursue. They are not a world leader in many things these days, they are just one of a large pack of similar countries. Going to be real tough oustide the EU tent.

they passed laws tother day that mean exports don’t have to comply with uk food standards.

bleached chicken is on the menu.

You mean imports?

This is the sort of thing that ruins their trade with the EU. The EU have banned chlorinated chicken because the process doesn’t actually kill harmful bacteria, They can’t change EU law by an act of the English parliament, so they shoot themselves in the foot and lose market access. Other countries (say in northern Africa) might not be keen on importing substandard chicken either, and the UK can’t just send in the gunboats to make the local sultan sign up to it.

yes imports.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

they passed laws tother day that mean exports don’t have to comply with uk food standards.

bleached chicken is on the menu.

You mean imports?

This is the sort of thing that ruins their trade with the EU. The EU have banned chlorinated chicken because the process doesn’t actually kill harmful bacteria, They can’t change EU law by an act of the English parliament, so they shoot themselves in the foot and lose market access. Other countries (say in northern Africa) might not be keen on importing substandard chicken either, and the UK can’t just send in the gunboats to make the local sultan sign up to it.

yes imports.

I suspect that those who are predicting the worst of times, rum, sodomy and the lash, will be well disappointed.

I suspect that those who are predicting the best of times, sunlit uplands and birds and honey, will be well disappointed.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

You mean imports?

This is the sort of thing that ruins their trade with the EU. The EU have banned chlorinated chicken because the process doesn’t actually kill harmful bacteria, They can’t change EU law by an act of the English parliament, so they shoot themselves in the foot and lose market access. Other countries (say in northern Africa) might not be keen on importing substandard chicken either, and the UK can’t just send in the gunboats to make the local sultan sign up to it.

yes imports.

I suspect that those who are predicting the worst of times, rum, sodomy and the lash, will be well disappointed.

I suspect that those who are predicting the best of times, sunlit uplands and birds and honey, will be well disappointed.

having predicted the former, I will not be disappointed if it does not come to fruition.

I just can’t see any country able do economic structural reform so quickly to undo what they’ve taken 2 generations to build. It will take so much longer than people think.

I’m having a bit of trouble reconstructing the Venn diagram from this CDC data for the USA.

Deaths involving covid are 9% of total deaths.

Let’s say:
A = covid alone
B = pneumonia alone
C = influenza alone
D = covid + pneumonia no influenza
E = covid + influenza no pneumonia
F = pneumonia + influenza no covid
G = all three

Then:
174,626 = A + D + E
178,866 = B + D
77,823 = D
6,668 = C + E + G
281,350 = A + B + C + D + E + F + G

Solve for A.

mollwollfumble said:

I’m having a bit of trouble reconstructing the Venn diagram from this CDC data for the USA.

Deaths involving covid are 9% of total deaths.

Let’s say:
A = covid alone
B = pneumonia alone
C = influenza alone
D = covid + pneumonia no influenza
E = covid + influenza no pneumonia
F = pneumonia + influenza no covid
G = all three

Then:
174,626 = A + D + E + G
178,866 = B + D
77,823 = D
6,668 = C + E + G
281,350 = A + B + C + D + E + F + G

Solve for A.

Let’s try that again. I mucked up one of the equations.

I’m having a bit of trouble reconstructing the Venn diagram from this CDC data for the USA.

Deaths involving covid are 9% of total deaths.

Let’s say:
A = covid alone
B = pneumonia alone
C = influenza alone
D = covid + pneumonia no influenza
E = covid + influenza no pneumonia
F = pneumonia + influenza no covid
G = all three

Then:
174,626 = A + D + E + G
178,866 = B + D
77,823 = D
6,668 = C + E + G
281,350 = A + B + C + D + E + F + G

Solve for A.

——-

“It takes extra time to code COVID-19 deaths. While 80% of deaths are electronically processed and coded by NCHS within minutes, most deaths from COVID-19 must be coded by a person, which takes an average of 7 days.”

Aha, so that’s why Covid deaths in the USA show that the virus doesn’t like to kill people on weekends. They’re not actually recoding day of death, they’re recording day on which death is coded into the system. That also helps to explain why the time-lag between infection and death varies from country to country.

What would happen if all the viruses were combined into one?

Doctors in Melbourne’s north-west band together to tackle coronavirus contact tracing challenge

What would happen if all the doctors reports on COVID were combined into one?

Majority of Australians support mandatory face masks in public places, survey reveals

Tau.Neutrino said:

Majority of Australians support mandatory face masks in public places, survey reveals

but less than 5% would wear them of their own volition

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Majority of Australians support mandatory face masks in public places, survey reveals

but less than 5% would wear them of their own volition

5% that are not brainy enough would spread it all over the place.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Majority of Australians support mandatory face masks in public places, survey reveals

but less than 5% would wear them of their own volition

5% that are not brainy enough would spread it all over the place.

we’re concerned at the 95%

and to all the jokers that thought public health advice that “masks are unnecessary” was “with a view to preserving supply for healthcare”, haha that was really funny, not, here’s a better joke for everyone, maybe public health could have been wise enough to instead advise people that “home-made cotton masks are orders of magnitude more effective than disposable masks”

Tau.Neutrino said:

Doctors in Melbourne’s north-west band together to tackle coronavirus contact tracing challenge

What would happen if all the doctors reports on COVID were combined into one?

noise

Tau.Neutrino said:

What would happen if all the viruses were combined into one?

¡ if you mean what would happen if a whole bunch of self-interested nucleic acid replicators were combined into one, then the answer is, you get the human genome !

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

but less than 5% would wear them of their own volition

5% that are not brainy enough would spread it all over the place.

we’re concerned at the 95%

and to all the jokers that thought public health advice that “masks are unnecessary” was “with a view to preserving supply for healthcare”, haha that was really funny, not, here’s a better joke for everyone, maybe public health could have been wise enough to instead advise people that “home-made cotton masks are orders of magnitude more effective than disposable masks”

That advice would spread covid 19 around more than the 5 % who would never think to put them on.

Tau.Neutrino said:

That advice would spread covid 19 around more than the 5 % who would never think to put them on.

57 per cent of people say masks should be required but only 15 per cent say they themselves are wearing them.

We repeat: that’s 85%, not 5%.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

5% that are not brainy enough would spread it all over the place.

we’re concerned at the 95%

and to all the jokers that thought public health advice that “masks are unnecessary” was “with a view to preserving supply for healthcare”, haha that was really funny, not, here’s a better joke for everyone, maybe public health could have been wise enough to instead advise people that “home-made cotton masks are orders of magnitude more effective than disposable masks”

That advice would spread covid 19 around more than the 5 % who would never think to put them on.

I meant this

and to all the jokers that thought public health advice that “masks are unnecessary” was “with a view to preserving supply for healthcare”,

That advice would spread covid 19 around more than the 5 % who would never think to put them on.

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

That advice would spread covid 19 around more than the 5 % who would never think to put them on.

57 per cent of people say masks should be required but only 15 per cent say they themselves are wearing them.

We repeat: that’s 85%, not 5%.

Your right

Most cotton masks are bigger and better than disposable masks.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re concerned at the 95%

and to all the jokers that thought public health advice that “masks are unnecessary” was “with a view to preserving supply for healthcare”, haha that was really funny, not, here’s a better joke for everyone, maybe public health could have been wise enough to instead advise people that “home-made cotton masks are orders of magnitude more effective than disposable masks”

That advice would spread covid 19 around more than the 5 % who would never think to put them on.

I meant this

and to all the jokers that thought public health advice that “masks are unnecessary” was “with a view to preserving supply for healthcare”,

That advice would spread covid 19 around more than the 5 % who would never think to put them on.

Ive seen those disposable ones

and Ive also seen a lot of air gaps around them too.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Doctors in Melbourne’s north-west band together to tackle coronavirus contact tracing challenge

What would happen if all the doctors reports on COVID were combined into one?

Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Certainty 95%. Consensus of expert opinion.

Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Doctors in Melbourne’s north-west band together to tackle coronavirus contact tracing challenge

What would happen if all the doctors reports on COVID were combined into one?

Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Certainty 95%. Consensus of expert opinion.

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Doctors in Melbourne’s north-west band together to tackle coronavirus contact tracing challenge

What would happen if all the doctors reports on COVID were combined into one?

Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Certainty 95%. Consensus of expert opinion.

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

Maybe one database would help too

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Certainty 95%. Consensus of expert opinion.

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

Maybe one database would help too

Not hundreds of them

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Doctors in Melbourne’s north-west band together to tackle coronavirus contact tracing challenge

What would happen if all the doctors reports on COVID were combined into one?

Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Certainty 95%. Consensus of expert opinion.

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

How would that help? Traced close contacts of a case have already been told everything they need to know a thousand times and they’re largely ignoring it. That’s how we got to where we are now.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Certainty 95%. Consensus of expert opinion.

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

Maybe one database would help too

There is one database. It’s at the health department. It’s a notifiable disease.

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

Maybe one database would help too

There is one database. It’s at the health department. It’s a notifiable disease.

there’s also the john hospkins database and all the other ones

thats what I mean

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

Maybe one database would help too

There is one database. It’s at the health department. It’s a notifiable disease.

well one for each state at least

but don’t get anyone started about reporting directly to the Emperor and not through the CDC first, in other places

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe one database would help too

There is one database. It’s at the health department. It’s a notifiable disease.

well one for each state at least

but don’t get anyone started about reporting directly to the Emperor and not through the CDC first, in other places

Does each state have one?

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe one database would help too

There is one database. It’s at the health department. It’s a notifiable disease.

there’s also the john hospkins database and all the other ones

thats what I mean

well those compiled data don’t have that much impact on intervention here so what about them

consider

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/gps-altona-north-band-together-covid-19-surge-contact-tracing/12642014
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/victoria-covid19-contact-tracing-suburban-response-units/12640270

and so forth

apparently local pandemic responses are at least as effective as having some centralised database in some office far away

With so many government databases and private databases.
No wonder its a mess.

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

There is one database. It’s at the health department. It’s a notifiable disease.

there’s also the john hospkins database and all the other ones

thats what I mean

well those compiled data don’t have that much impact on intervention here so what about them

consider

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/gps-altona-north-band-together-covid-19-surge-contact-tracing/12642014
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/victoria-covid19-contact-tracing-suburban-response-units/12640270

and so forth

apparently local pandemic responses are at least as effective as having some centralised database in some office far away

Fragmented data is only partial data.

And however came up with that idea of saving masks for only health processionals should be sacked !

Tau.Neutrino said:

And however came up with that idea of saving masks for only health processionals should be sacked !

That would spread it around like wildfire.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

And however came up with that idea of saving masks for only health processionals should be sacked !

That would spread it around like wildfire.

if the authorities really cared about Australian Business And Manufacturing In The Economy Must Grow then they’d be subsidising health equipment production to the tune of … oh, we don’t know … the Coal Burning Subsidies … but of course they don’t

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

And however came up with that idea of saving masks for only health processionals should be sacked !

That would spread it around like wildfire.

if the authorities really cared about Australian Business And Manufacturing In The Economy Must Grow then they’d be subsidising health equipment production to the tune of … oh, we don’t know … the Coal Burning Subsidies … but of course they don’t

Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Certainty 95%. Consensus of expert opinion.

if all doctors were reporting COVID cases wouldn’t that help relate to more accurate figures?

How would that help? Traced close contacts of a case have already been told everything they need to know a thousand times and they’re largely ignoring it. That’s how we got to where we are now.

Tau wan’t listening last night/this morning?

Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many government databases and private databases.
No wonder its a mess.

I think you’ll find that the data is fairly well organised given the evidence from the other states. Victoria’s problem is mystery cases and unknown community transmission which is happening in the period before data is collected.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many government databases and private databases.
No wonder its a mess.

I think you’ll find that the data is fairly well organised given the evidence from the other states. Victoria’s problem is mystery cases and unknown community transmission which is happening in the period before data is collected.

and the gold standard state has mystery cases that can’t be tracked too.

Oxford coronavirus vaccine trial on hold over ‘potentially unexplained illness’
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“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

roughbarked said:

“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

“But if we decided to go to a sex club and swap partners with some people who we don’t know where they’re from or who they really are, that’s OK.”

Putting hard borders on fuzzy situations is always difficult, but is swapping partners at a sex club really deemed OK?

What about commercial sex? Is that re-opened?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

“But if we decided to go to a sex club and swap partners with some people who we don’t know where they’re from or who they really are, that’s OK.”

Putting hard borders on fuzzy situations is always difficult, but is swapping partners at a sex club really deemed OK?

What about commercial sex? Is that re-opened?

The COVID Safe Industry Plan for Sex on Premises Venues and Adult Parties covers:

The plan covers any of the above events or venues that “facilitate access to or intent to access intimate contact/sexual activity” for a fee.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

“But if we decided to go to a sex club and swap partners with some people who we don’t know where they’re from or who they really are, that’s OK.”

Putting hard borders on fuzzy situations is always difficult, but is swapping partners at a sex club really deemed OK?

What about commercial sex? Is that re-opened?

The COVID Safe Industry Plan for Sex on Premises Venues and Adult Parties covers:

swingers/sex clubs or planned sex-parties adult shops with additional spaces or offerings cruise clubs or spa and sauna venues

The plan covers any of the above events or venues that “facilitate access to or intent to access intimate contact/sexual activity” for a fee.

And is this plan accepted and in operation?

Which minister accepted it and why?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Putting hard borders on fuzzy situations is always difficult, but is swapping partners at a sex club really deemed OK?

What about commercial sex? Is that re-opened?

The COVID Safe Industry Plan for Sex on Premises Venues and Adult Parties covers:

swingers/sex clubs or planned sex-parties adult shops with additional spaces or offerings cruise clubs or spa and sauna venues

The plan covers any of the above events or venues that “facilitate access to or intent to access intimate contact/sexual activity” for a fee.

And is this plan accepted and in operation?

Which minister accepted it and why?

Only the wedded couple and their parents are allowed to dance under Queensland’s coronavirus restrictions
But sex clubs or planned sex parties, which may include group sex, are permitted under a COVID Safe Industry Plan
Queensland Health says the plans balance its health response while “keeping life as normal as possible”

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Putting hard borders on fuzzy situations is always difficult, but is swapping partners at a sex club really deemed OK?

What about commercial sex? Is that re-opened?

The COVID Safe Industry Plan for Sex on Premises Venues and Adult Parties covers:

swingers/sex clubs or planned sex-parties adult shops with additional spaces or offerings cruise clubs or spa and sauna venues

The plan covers any of the above events or venues that “facilitate access to or intent to access intimate contact/sexual activity” for a fee.

And is this plan accepted and in operation?

Which minister accepted it and why?

Someone has had a bad reaction to the Oxford vaccine and trials have been put on hold.

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The COVID Safe Industry Plan for Sex on Premises Venues and Adult Parties covers:

swingers/sex clubs or planned sex-parties adult shops with additional spaces or offerings cruise clubs or spa and sauna venues

The plan covers any of the above events or venues that “facilitate access to or intent to access intimate contact/sexual activity” for a fee.

And is this plan accepted and in operation?

Which minister accepted it and why?

Only the wedded couple and their parents are allowed to dance under Queensland’s coronavirus restrictions
But sex clubs or planned sex parties, which may include group sex, are permitted under a COVID Safe Industry Plan
Queensland Health says the plans balance its health response while “keeping life as normal as possible”

Well I hope Queensland Health are actively monitoring these activities to ensure that social distancing etc is maintained.

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

It is Queensland.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And is this plan accepted and in operation?

Which minister accepted it and why?

Only the wedded couple and their parents are allowed to dance under Queensland’s coronavirus restrictions
But sex clubs or planned sex parties, which may include group sex, are permitted under a COVID Safe Industry Plan
Queensland Health says the plans balance its health response while “keeping life as normal as possible”

Well I hope Queensland Health are actively monitoring these activities to ensure that social distancing etc is maintained.

condoms on sticks?

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

Good point.

I mean sex clubs are not inherently evil like universities, but there is a limit to how far they should be trusted.

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

roughbarked said:

“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

“But if we decided to go to a sex club and swap partners with some people who we don’t know where they’re from or who they really are, that’s OK.”

I think sex workers are a hell of a lot safer in clubs, where they’re already being educated to prevent disease cross-infection, than on the streets. Likewise, commercial swapping clubs are (I would imagine) a lot safer than the alternatives.

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

Wont be Mormons.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

Is that the story? Jesus is a sandwich guy, hey?

Interesting….

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

father, son, and the holy ghost…

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

“But if we decided to go to a sex club and swap partners with some people who we don’t know where they’re from or who they really are, that’s OK.”

I think sex workers are a hell of a lot safer in clubs, where they’re already being educated to prevent disease cross-infection, than on the streets. Likewise, commercial swapping clubs are (I would imagine) a lot safer than the alternatives.

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

The father, the son, the holy ghost. The whole trinity thing didn’t tip you off?

sibeen said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

The father, the son, the holy ghost. The whole trinity thing didn’t tip you off?

Doh.

Sometimes things are so obvious you can just totally miss it.

sibeen said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

The father, the son, the holy ghost. The whole trinity thing didn’t tip you off?

18 seconds.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

father, son, and the holy ghost…

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

“But if we decided to go to a sex club and swap partners with some people who we don’t know where they’re from or who they really are, that’s OK.”

I think sex workers are a hell of a lot safer in clubs, where they’re already being educated to prevent disease cross-infection, than on the streets. Likewise, commercial swapping clubs are (I would imagine) a lot safer than the alternatives.

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

Can’t comment. Have nil experience on the matter.

sibeen said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

The father, the son, the holy ghost. The whole trinity thing didn’t tip you off?

They kept it in the family?

ChrispenEvan said:

Thanks for that.

Most revelatory, when I finally found a way to see the light.

71/11 for Victoria today.

dv said:

They should keep a close eye on this, next thing you know people will be holding ostensible sex clubs as a pretext for dancing.

Batman-: Could it be…..
Robin-: What Batman?
Batman-: Could it be that the sex club the Joker has started is just a front for…….for dancing.
Robin-: Holy cha-cha Batman, you mean there could be people in there waltzing, jiving and pride of Erening……….what manner of evil…….
Batman-: Yes boy Wonder, quick we’ve got no time to lose, slide down this pole.

Worldometer shows USA and Brazil new cases finally starting to decline.

Or maybe it’s just a Labour Day effect.

Does Brazil have a Labour Day?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

“The irony is if I was invited to a wedding this weekend to attend with my wife and I wanted to dance with her there, then I wouldn’t be allowed to,” he said.

“But if we decided to go to a sex club and swap partners with some people who we don’t know where they’re from or who they really are, that’s OK.”

I think sex workers are a hell of a lot safer in clubs, where they’re already being educated to prevent disease cross-infection, than on the streets. Likewise, commercial swapping clubs are (I would imagine) a lot safer than the alternatives.

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many government databases and private databases.
No wonder its a mess.

I think you’ll find that the data is fairly well organised given the evidence from the other states. Victoria’s problem is mystery cases and unknown community transmission which is happening in the period before data is collected.

and the gold standard state has mystery cases that can’t be tracked too.

If wonder if the mystery cases are reckless backpackers ?

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

I think sex workers are a hell of a lot safer in clubs, where they’re already being educated to prevent disease cross-infection, than on the streets. Likewise, commercial swapping clubs are (I would imagine) a lot safer than the alternatives.

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

All that group hugging and kissing.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think you’ll find that the data is fairly well organised given the evidence from the other states. Victoria’s problem is mystery cases and unknown community transmission which is happening in the period before data is collected.

and the gold standard state has mystery cases that can’t be tracked too.

If wonder if the mystery cases are reckless backpackers ?

Most of those went home at the beginning and the rest stayed in the NT.

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

All that group hugging and kissing.

A large group of people who have completely dropped their guard, packed into the smallest space that will hold them.

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

I think sex workers are a hell of a lot safer in clubs, where they’re already being educated to prevent disease cross-infection, than on the streets. Likewise, commercial swapping clubs are (I would imagine) a lot safer than the alternatives.

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

roughbarked said:

71/11 for Victoria today.

Will Daniel Andrews be giving a press conference?

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

71/11 for Victoria today.

Will Daniel Andrews be giving a press conference?

It is about the right time of day but I’m away from the TV at the moment.

Queensland has recorded eight new cases of coronavirus in the past 24 hours.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

as long as there is room for jesus between dancing couples it’s OK.

I had no idea he was into threeways

father, son, and the holy ghost…

That Holy Spirit is knocking up virgins and everything. Probably has syphilis too.

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

I had no idea he was into threeways

father, son, and the holy ghost…

That Holy Spirit is knocking up virgins and everything. Probably has syphilis too.

He’s ineffable, the manifestation of a conceptual entity.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

father, son, and the holy ghost…

That Holy Spirit is knocking up virgins and everything. Probably has syphilis too.

He’s ineffable, the manifestation of a conceptual entity.

A sexual fantasy?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

slappers not kissers

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That Holy Spirit is knocking up virgins and everything. Probably has syphilis too.

He’s ineffable, the manifestation of a conceptual entity.

A sexual fantasy?

Holy Fuck

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sure, but I very much doubt that they are safer than wedding parties. (and I’m not sure about the commercial swapping being any safer than people who just do it for fun, but I’m no expert on the subject).

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

I don’t think it’s sensible to think a wedding & reception would look anything like ‘Socially distanced dancing’ for very long. Indeed, I’d be very surprised if the social distancing lasted more than 15 seconds.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

slappers not kissers

In seriousness though looks like they’re still trotting out the same “we’re special” “school students are spécial” bullshit it seems.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/nsw-coronavirus-dancing-restrictions-about-to-change-for-formals/12639282

But this week, Dr Chant said several factors meant school students were a lower risk of transmitting coronavirus while dancing.

Doctors are studying why obesity may be tied to serious COVID-19

New York: In the early days of the pandemic, doctors noticed something about the people who were severely ill from COVID-19: Many were obese.

The link became more apparent as coronavirus swept across the globe and data mounted, and researchers are still trying to figure out why.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/doctors-are-studying-why-obesity-may-be-tied-to-serious-covid-19-20200909-p55tpm.html

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He’s ineffable, the manifestation of a conceptual entity.

A sexual fantasy?

Holy Fuck

LOLOLOLOL

Witty Rejoinder said:

Doctors are studying why obesity may be tied to serious COVID-19

New York: In the early days of the pandemic, doctors noticed something about the people who were severely ill from COVID-19: Many were obese.

The link became more apparent as coronavirus swept across the globe and data mounted, and researchers are still trying to figure out why.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/doctors-are-studying-why-obesity-may-be-tied-to-serious-covid-19-20200909-p55tpm.html

Obesity is a problem everywhere.

SCIENCE said:

In seriousness though looks like they’re still trotting out the same “we’re special” “school students are spécial” bullshit it seems.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/nsw-coronavirus-dancing-restrictions-about-to-change-for-formals/12639282

But this week, Dr Chant said several factors meant school students were a lower risk of transmitting coronavirus while dancing.

Never went to my ‘school formal’.

I thought, ‘should i go?’.

And then i thought, ‘f*** ‘em’.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Doctors are studying why obesity may be tied to serious COVID-19

New York: In the early days of the pandemic, doctors noticed something about the people who were severely ill from COVID-19: Many were obese.

The link became more apparent as coronavirus swept across the globe and data mounted, and researchers are still trying to figure out why.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/doctors-are-studying-why-obesity-may-be-tied-to-serious-covid-19-20200909-p55tpm.html

Well we know one thing…

It will hard for obese people to run away from it.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He’s ineffable, the manifestation of a conceptual entity.

A sexual fantasy?

Holy Fuck

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Doctors are studying why obesity may be tied to serious COVID-19

New York: In the early days of the pandemic, doctors noticed something about the people who were severely ill from COVID-19: Many were obese.

The link became more apparent as coronavirus swept across the globe and data mounted, and researchers are still trying to figure out why.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/doctors-are-studying-why-obesity-may-be-tied-to-serious-covid-19-20200909-p55tpm.html

Well we know one thing…

It will hard for obese people to run away from it.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

father, son, and the holy ghost…

That Holy Spirit is knocking up virgins and everything. Probably has syphilis too.

He’s ineffable, the manifestation of a conceptual entity.

Another d’oh.

I don’t know how many times I have read or heard that line before, but it must be well into the lots.

But I have never before noticed the double-entendre in “in-F-able”.

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

I can’t think of a more likely transmission opportunity than a wedding.

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

I don’t think it’s sensible to think a wedding & reception would look anything like ‘Socially distanced dancing’ for very long. Indeed, I’d be very surprised if the social distancing lasted more than 15 seconds.

OK, good point.

It’s an extra charge if it lasts more than 15 seconds when there is sex involved.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

I don’t think it’s sensible to think a wedding & reception would look anything like ‘Socially distanced dancing’ for very long. Indeed, I’d be very surprised if the social distancing lasted more than 15 seconds.

OK, good point.

It’s an extra charge if it lasts more than 15 seconds when there is sex involved.

well look, the professionals wear barrier protection do they not, these days all they need is an extra N95 or P2, it won’t be that hard but it will keep the droplets off

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Socially distanced dancing is more likely to result in transmission than having sex with a stranger?

How does that work?

I don’t think it’s sensible to think a wedding & reception would look anything like ‘Socially distanced dancing’ for very long. Indeed, I’d be very surprised if the social distancing lasted more than 15 seconds.

OK, good point.

It’s an extra charge if it lasts more than 15 seconds when there is sex involved.

Pfffft. ‘sif lasting more than 15 seconds is a thing.

SCIENCE said:

… it won’t be that hard but it will keep the droplets off

PPE might turn some clients on…

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

… it won’t be that hard but it will keep the droplets off

PPE might turn some clients on…

Once they iron the kinks out.

NSW records nine new COVID-19 infections, all known sources or in hotel quarantine

roughbarked said:

NSW records nine new COVID-19 infections, all known sources or in hotel quarantine

The director of the Tour de France has tested positive for the covids. He might have potentially exposed the French PM too, who was a guest of honour recently and traveled in the same car.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

… it won’t be that hard but it will keep the droplets off

PPE might turn some clients on…

Once they iron the kinks out.

¿ you want kinks ? we can show you something that kinks

you brought the light inside the body … through the skin or in some other way

…

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PPE might turn some clients on…

Once they iron the kinks out.

¿ you want kinks ? we can show you something that kinks

you brought the light inside the body … through the skin or in some other way

…

Here’s a kink (ajou)

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Once they iron the kinks out.

¿ you want kinks ? we can show you something that kinks

you brought the light inside the body … through the skin or in some other way

…

Here’s a kink (ajou)

or S kink

or skink

SCIENCE said:

BOOM

Hubris :: Isn’t It Beautiful

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/why-pm-says-nsw-is-gold-standard-in-covid-19-control/12636890

It isn’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/nsw-coronvirus-nine-new-infections-confirmed/12639524

Of today’s cases, one attended Tattersalls City Gym and one is a household contact of a previously reported case linked to the CBD cluster, which now stands at 68.

Five of the new cases are linked to Concord Hospital, in Sydney’s inner west and were another two healthcare workers, one patient and two household contacts of a patient.

There were 20,852 tests reported in the 24-hour reporting period, compared with 12,494 the day before.

Well, that scared’em!

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

BOOM

Hubris :: Isn’t It Beautiful

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/why-pm-says-nsw-is-gold-standard-in-covid-19-control/12636890

It isn’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-08/nsw-coronvirus-nine-new-infections-confirmed/12639524

BOOM

Of today’s cases, one attended Tattersalls City Gym and one is a household contact of a previously reported case linked to the CBD cluster, which now stands at 68.

Five of the new cases are linked to Concord Hospital, in Sydney’s inner west and were another two healthcare workers, one patient and two household contacts of a patient.

There were 20,852 tests reported in the 24-hour reporting period, compared with 12,494 the day before.

Well, that scared’em!

Meanwhile it does seem rather moon-rust-moronic to go talking up your supposed “gold standard” performance while you’re shutting down half of 2 hospitals for deep cleaning.

—

The latest figures come as Ms Berejiklian defended claims that her state was just “lucky” to avoid a second wave, after the Prime Minister hailed NSW as a “gold standard” in COVID-19 management.

“I don’t believe in luck,” she told ABC News Breakfast this morning.

“Our system is well suited to dealing with a very contagious, unrelenting disease. Contact tracing is just one part of the story.”

The Premier said a “decentralised public health system” in NSW allowed for more granular information which allowed for more efficient management.

The Betoota Advocate:

‘Palaszczuk: “Border Will Remain Closed Until After Election When It’s No Longer An Issue”’

There may be something in that.

When another term of four years is assured, the government can go back to appeasing mining and commercial interests.

Bizarre… these crazies are predicting that good pandemic control means stable property markets, imagine that, imagine if our politicians knew about this kind of thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/house-prices-to-bounce-back-after-modest-fall-cba/12645780

Australia’s biggest home lender says house price falls so far during the pandemic have been surprisingly small, and its internal modelling is predicting a quick rebound everywhere except Melbourne.

CBA is now forecasting a 6 per cent fall in capital city property prices due to COVID-19, down from 10 per cent initially

But the bank warns that Melbourne property values will fall twice as much as the national average

dv said:

Could it be…………..could that be The Joker.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Could it be…………..could that be The Joker.

space cowboy.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Could it be…………..could that be The Joker.

space cowboy.

Never heard of him.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Could it be…………..could that be The Joker.

Yes, it’s the Joker

dv said:

This is consistent with my hybrid Prion-Virus theory. The Prion is rampaging through the brain, breaching barricades and sacking the fortress, setting it up to direct the body to spread the virus far and wide.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-devastates-thai-rock-restaurant/12644338

On this issue. A business wishing to survive a pandemic should of course follow all the citeria set out by the health authorities. Including reporting a staff member testing positive.

However, I’ve seen such businesses that siimply closed their doors at the beginning and are obviously waiting out the storm.

Surely they weren’t working on such a thin margin that they absolutely had to stay open taking risks in a pandemic?

Being terminally ill during COVID.

The author died the day his article was published.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/07/terminal-cancer-live-cancer-life-death

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-devastates-thai-rock-restaurant/12644338

On this issue. A business wishing to survive a pandemic should of course follow all the citeria set out by the health authorities. Including reporting a staff member testing positive.

However, I’ve seen such businesses that siimply closed their doors at the beginning and are obviously waiting out the storm.

Surely they weren’t working on such a thin margin that they absolutely had to stay open taking risks in a pandemic?

flock immunity

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-devastates-thai-rock-restaurant/12644338

On this issue. A business wishing to survive a pandemic should of course follow all the citeria set out by the health authorities. Including reporting a staff member testing positive.

However, I’ve seen such businesses that siimply closed their doors at the beginning and are obviously waiting out the storm.

Surely they weren’t working on such a thin margin that they absolutely had to stay open taking risks in a pandemic?

flock immunity

-> feral sheep thread

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-devastates-thai-rock-restaurant/12644338

On this issue. A business wishing to survive a pandemic should of course follow all the citeria set out by the health authorities. Including reporting a staff member testing positive.

However, I’ve seen such businesses that siimply closed their doors at the beginning and are obviously waiting out the storm.

Surely they weren’t working on such a thin margin that they absolutely had to stay open taking risks in a pandemic?

flock immunity

-> feral sheep thread

fair

on track though, it’s almost as if not having to deal with deadly infections, by preventing them in the first place, is likely to keep businesses open

SCIENCE said:

on track though, it’s almost as if not having to deal with deadly infections, by preventing them in the first place, is likely to keep businesses open

Y’know, that’s so crazy that it just might work.

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-devastates-thai-rock-restaurant/12644338

On this issue. A business wishing to survive a pandemic should of course follow all the citeria set out by the health authorities. Including reporting a staff member testing positive.

However, I’ve seen such businesses that siimply closed their doors at the beginning and are obviously waiting out the storm.

Surely they weren’t working on such a thin margin that they absolutely had to stay open taking risks in a pandemic?

If we look at the numbers on small business failure, it’s pretty hard to escape the conclusion that most of the small businesses you ever deal with are in the process of going broke.

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-devastates-thai-rock-restaurant/12644338

On this issue. A business wishing to survive a pandemic should of course follow all the citeria set out by the health authorities. Including reporting a staff member testing positive.

However, I’ve seen such businesses that siimply closed their doors at the beginning and are obviously waiting out the storm.

Surely they weren’t working on such a thin margin that they absolutely had to stay open taking risks in a pandemic?

If we look at the numbers on small business failure, it’s pretty hard to escape the conclusion that most of the small businesses you ever deal with are in the process of going broke.

Fair comment.

NAPLAN was cancelled due to COVID-19 and some parents don’t want it back

Phoebe Kelman is a smart kid who works hard to get good marks in her year seven classes at St Philips High School in Port Stephens, three hours north of Sydney. The 13-year-old is a dedicated athlete, topping the region in shot-put and discus, and she wants to be a doctor.

“On the day when I found out my results, I was like, ‘Oh, I thought I was doing so much better.’ That ruined my confidence for a really long time,” Phoebe said.

Phoebe’s parents Christine and James give full marks to any moves to alter or abolish the NAPLAN tests. “It’s terrible to do that to little kids. They shouldn’t have to worry about performing and competing with the rest of Australia,” Ms McNamara said. “It’s such an inaccurate assessment of your child’s ability.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/naplan-cancelled-due-to-covid-19-some-parents-want-it-gone/12641570

¿ didn’t David and Justin have something to say about all of this kind of stuff ?

Daniel Andrews clears up the difference between plutonic and intimate relationship restrictions.

Link YouTube video

Rule 303 said:

Daniel Andrews clears up the difference between plutonic and intimate relationship restrictions.

Link YouTube video

The earth moves in the former case, but not the latter?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Rule 303 said:

Daniel Andrews clears up the difference between plutonic and intimate relationship restrictions.

Link YouTube video

The earth moves in the former case, but not the latter?

The earth fill up with a slow-cooling hot liquid.

Ain’t karma a bitch?

captain_spalding said:

Ain’t karma a bitch?

Unshaven guy wearing silly hat now one of the great unwashed.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said decisions would be made on science, data and modelling, but that regional Victoria was “on the cusp” of easing restrictions.

“I have a unique understanding of how frustrating it is for those who don’t have much — or any — virus, and the fact that rules apply to them.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-11/regional-victoria-under-lockdown-zero-active-coronavirus-cases/12652130

A unique understanding?

sibeen said:

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said decisions would be made on science, data and modelling, but that regional Victoria was “on the cusp” of easing restrictions.

“That community that has got no cases, they are jealously guarding that. There’s a point of pride for those communities,” he said yesterday.

“I have a unique understanding of how frustrating it is for those who don’t have much — or any — virus, and the fact that rules apply to them.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-11/regional-victoria-under-lockdown-zero-active-coronavirus-cases/12652130

A unique understanding?

Must be different to everyone else’s?

SCIENCE said:

Good stuff!

:)

Current hotspots in the USA (deaths per day per million pop)

Mississippi 11
Florida 10
Tennessee 8
Georgia 7
South Carolina 6
Texas 6
Nevada 6
Kentucky 5
Rhode Island 5
Nebraska 5
South Dakota 5
Louisiana 5

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dv said:

Current hotspots in the USA (deaths per day per million pop)

Mississippi 11
Florida 10
Tennessee 8
Georgia 7
South Carolina 6
Texas 6
Nevada 6
Kentucky 5
Rhode Island 5
Nebraska 5
South Dakota 5
Louisiana 5

—-

Fauci was saying a couple of weeks ago that the new front will be the Great Plains States: Nebraska, the Dakotas, Kansas, Wyoming, Montana.

first they told us Masks Were More Dangerous And Would Paradoxically Make Us Expose Ourselves More to that fucking virus

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/crazy-theory-masks-building-coronavirus-immunity/12652132

now they tell us that Masks Will Save Us, It Will Be Like A Quick And Dirty Immunisation treatment

UK, Italy, America moving on up the chart above Sweden now. (Using deaths per million)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

buffy said:

UK, Italy, America moving on up the chart above Sweden now. (Using deaths per million)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Oh, we are down at spot 106 on the chart.

This is a Victoria centric post. O’Brien is our Coalition Opposition leader (for those who don’t know)

>>At Friday’s virtual party room meeting, O’Brien was asked where the Opposition’s formal plan was. He was asked again by the press.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-12/analysis-victoria-premier-daniel-andrews-coronavirus/12656602

Mr O’Brien has, as far as I’ve seen, just carped on the edges and not offered any suggestions about how things should be handled. I’d be a lot more impressed if he’d been co-operative, helped, made suggestions. Doesn’t matter if they were flicked aside. It would show he understands the gravity of the situation. He seems to be behaving like the second rooster in the flock…jumping up and down with nothing constructive to say but “Look at me! Look at me! I’m a rooster too!”

And I think I’d have quite serious doubts about how he would behave if it was all just passed over to him to handle. He comes across as the sort of person who would be swamped or pushed about. That piece suggests his own people are less than happy with him too.

(CNN)Thousands of people flocked to Freeland, Michigan, Thursday night to hear President Donald Trump make the case for why he deserves a second term in office. Very few among those thousands wore a mask.

Which prompted CNN White House correspondent Jim Acosta to ask “why” — given that masks are one of the few proven ways that we can mitigate the spread of Covid-19, which has sickened more than 6 million Americans and killed nearly 200,000 Americans since March. The responses Acosta received to his simple question, are, well, startling:

Here are some (thanks to CNN’s Angie Trindade for transcribing these):

• “I have a hard time understanding people when they talk, so that’s why I don’t wear it.”

• “Because there’s no Covid. It’s a fake pandemic created to destroy the United States of America.”

• “I am not wearing a mask because I had my temperature taken already and I’m not sick.”

• “Why am I not wearing a mask? I am not wearing a mask or a couple different reasons. Mainly because a lot of the numbers that have come out on coronavirus are not as big as — … the media makes them a lot bigger than they actually are … one other reason is that I’m very young and people who are here, coronavirus is a very serious issue…”

• “Part of it, I’m not really worried about it. Because the death rate for this is pretty low unless you have low immunities.”

• “Why? Because it really doesn’t do anything really. These little things? pulls out mask This is the worst pandemic in the world and a little mask? A little mask? This protects you from the world’s deadliest and serious virus that ruined our economy? We have to wear this?”

• “To me there isn’t as big of a concern as it really is. If everybody’s afraid of it, you could die in a car crash. I mean heart disease is one of the leading killers in the country, no one has stopped making cheeseburgers.”

• ” I’m not afraid. The good Lord takes care of me. If I die, I die! We gotta get this country moving. What are we gonna do? Wear masks and stay inside for another year? Where will that get us? Let’s just mail out more checks to everybody and let the country go bankrupt.”

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/11/politics/masks-trump-michigan-rally/index.html

dv said:

(CNN)Thousands of people flocked to Freeland, Michigan, Thursday night to hear President Donald Trump make the case for why he deserves a second term in office. Very few among those thousands wore a mask.

Which prompted CNN White House correspondent Jim Acosta to ask “why” — given that masks are one of the few proven ways that we can mitigate the spread of Covid-19, which has sickened more than 6 million Americans and killed nearly 200,000 Americans since March. The responses Acosta received to his simple question, are, well, startling:

Here are some (thanks to CNN’s Angie Trindade for transcribing these):

• “I have a hard time understanding people when they talk, so that’s why I don’t wear it.”

• “Because there’s no Covid. It’s a fake pandemic created to destroy the United States of America.”

• “I am not wearing a mask because I had my temperature taken already and I’m not sick.”

• “Why am I not wearing a mask? I am not wearing a mask or a couple different reasons. Mainly because a lot of the numbers that have come out on coronavirus are not as big as — … the media makes them a lot bigger than they actually are … one other reason is that I’m very young and people who are here, coronavirus is a very serious issue…”

• “Part of it, I’m not really worried about it. Because the death rate for this is pretty low unless you have low immunities.”

• “Why? Because it really doesn’t do anything really. These little things? pulls out mask This is the worst pandemic in the world and a little mask? A little mask? This protects you from the world’s deadliest and serious virus that ruined our economy? We have to wear this?”

• “To me there isn’t as big of a concern as it really is. If everybody’s afraid of it, you could die in a car crash. I mean heart disease is one of the leading killers in the country, no one has stopped making cheeseburgers.”

• ” I’m not afraid. The good Lord takes care of me. If I die, I die! We gotta get this country moving. What are we gonna do? Wear masks and stay inside for another year? Where will that get us? Let’s just mail out more checks to everybody and let the country go bankrupt.”

—-

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/11/politics/masks-trump-michigan-rally/index.html

They all read like Trump.

buffy said:

This is a Victoria centric post. O’Brien is our Coalition Opposition leader (for those who don’t know)

>>At Friday’s virtual party room meeting, O’Brien was asked where the Opposition’s formal plan was. He was asked again by the press.<<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-12/analysis-victoria-premier-daniel-andrews-coronavirus/12656602

Mr O’Brien has, as far as I’ve seen, just carped on the edges and not offered any suggestions about how things should be handled. I’d be a lot more impressed if he’d been co-operative, helped, made suggestions. Doesn’t matter if they were flicked aside. It would show he understands the gravity of the situation. He seems to be behaving like the second rooster in the flock…jumping up and down with nothing constructive to say but “Look at me! Look at me! I’m a rooster too!”

And I think I’d have quite serious doubts about how he would behave if it was all just passed over to him to handle. He comes across as the sort of person who would be swamped or pushed about. That piece suggests his own people are less than happy with him too.

perhaps but remember a year ago there was doubtful leadership lacking policy and look where they ended up

and then 4 years ago, similarly

Today’s Anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne.

When the number of protestors is outnumbered by three to one by police you’re probably not on the winning side.

sibeen said:

Today’s Anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne.

When the number of protestors is outnumbered by three to one by police you’re probably not on the winning side.

Lol.

Anyone done a quick count, just to save me the bother?

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Today’s Anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne.

When the number of protestors is outnumbered by three to one by police you’re probably not on the winning side.

Lol.

Anyone done a quick count, just to save me the bother?

Participants were probably fantasising about crowds in their tens of thousands, all just as irate as they are about SFA.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Today’s Anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne.

When the number of protestors is outnumbered by three to one by police you’re probably not on the winning side.

Lol.

Anyone done a quick count, just to save me the bother?

Participants were probably fantasising about crowds in their tens of thousands, all just as irate as they are about SFA.

Every noisy minority likes to think they represent the “silent majority”. In this case the silent majority have decided to stay home.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Lol.

Anyone done a quick count, just to save me the bother?

Participants were probably fantasising about crowds in their tens of thousands, all just as irate as they are about SFA.

Every noisy minority likes to think they represent the “silent majority”. In this case the silent majority have decided to stay home.

It seems to me that Morrison and the boys are more intent on getting legislation through parliament to protect Rupert’s bottom line than they are at stopping Qanon crap and idiots.

Still… those people don’t vote Labor or Green.

sarahs mum said:

It seems to me that Morrison and the boys are more intent on getting legislation through parliament to protect Rupert’s bottom line than they are at stopping Qanon crap and idiots.

Still… those people don’t vote Labor or Green.

I wonder if Rupert is “Q”.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It seems to me that Morrison and the boys are more intent on getting legislation through parliament to protect Rupert’s bottom line than they are at stopping Qanon crap and idiots.

Still… those people don’t vote Labor or Green.

I wonder if Rupert is “Q”.

No. Rupert is the secret force of evil trying to take over democracy.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It seems to me that Morrison and the boys are more intent on getting legislation through parliament to protect Rupert’s bottom line than they are at stopping Qanon crap and idiots.

Still… those people don’t vote Labor or Green.

I wonder if Rupert is “Q”.

No. Rupert is the secret force of evil trying to take over democracy.