Date: 8/09/2020 21:49:31
From: Ian
ID: 1616336
Subject: Julian Assange


Having reported the long, epic ordeal of Julian Assange, John Pilger gave this address outside the Central Criminal Court in London on September 7 as the WikiLeaks editor’s extradition hearing entered its final stage.


WHEN I FIRST met Julian Assange more than ten years ago, I asked him why he had started WikiLeaks.

He replied:

“Transparency and accountability are moral issues that must be the essence of public life and journalism.”

I had never heard a publisher or an editor invoke morality in this way. Assange believes that journalists are the agents of people, not power: that we, the people, have a right to know about the darkest secrets of those who claim to act in our name.

If the powerful lie to us, we have the right to know. If they say one thing in private and the opposite in public, we have the right to know. If they conspire against us – as Bush and Blair did over Iraq – then pretend to be democrats, we have the right to know.

It is this morality of purpose that so threatens the collusion of powers that want to plunge much of the world into war and wants to bury Julian alive in Trump’s fascist America.

In 2008, a top-secret U.S. State Department report described in detail how the United States would combat this new moral threat.

A secretly-directed personal smear campaign against Julian Assange would lead to ‘exposure  criminal prosecution’.

The aim was to silence and criminalise WikiLeaks and its founder. Page after page revealed a coming war on a single human being and on the very principle of freedom of speech and freedom of thought, and democracy.

The imperial shock troops would be those who called themselves journalists: the big hitters of the so-called mainstream, especially the “liberals” who mark and patrol the perimeters of dissent.

And that is what happened. I have been a reporter for more than 50 years and I have never known a smear campaign like it: the fabricated character assassination of a man who refused to join the club; who believed journalism was a service to the public, never to those above.

Assange shamed his persecutors. He produced scoop after scoop. He exposed the fraudulence of wars promoted by the media and the homicidal nature of America’s wars, the corruption of dictators, the evils of Guantanamo.

He forced us in the West to look in the mirror. He exposed the official truth-tellers in the media as collaborators: those I would call “Vichy” journalists. None of these imposters believed Assange when he warned that his life was in danger: that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup and an American hellhole was the ultimate destination. And he was right — and repeatedly right.

The extradition hearing in London this week is the final act of an Anglo-American campaign to bury Julian Assange. It is not due process. It is due revenge. The American indictment is clearly rigged — a demonstrable sham. So far, the hearings have been reminiscent of their Stalinist equivalents during the Cold War.

Today, the land that gave us Magna Carta, Great Britain, is distinguished by the abandonment of its own sovereignty in allowing a malign foreign power to manipulate justice and by the vicious psychological torture of Julian. A form of torture, as Nils Melzer, the UN expert has pointed out, that was refined by the Nazis because it was most effective in breaking its victims.  

Every time I have visited Assange in Belmarsh prison, I have seen the effects of this torture. When I last saw him, he had lost more than ten kilos in weight; his arms had no muscle. Incredibly, his wicked sense of humour was intact.

As for Assange’s homeland, Australia has displayed only a cringing cowardice as its Government has secretly conspired against its own citizen who ought to be celebrated as a national hero. Not for nothing did George W. Bush anoint the Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, his “deputy sheriff”.

It is said that whatever happens to Julian Assange in the next three weeks will diminish, if not destroy, freedom of the press in the West. But which press? The Guardian? The BBC, The New York Times, the Jeff Bezos Washington Post?

No, the journalists in these organisations can breathe freely. The Judases at the Guardian who flirted with Julian, exploited his landmark work, made their pile then betrayed him, have nothing to fear. They are safe because they are needed.

Freedom of the press now rests with the honourable few: the exceptions, the dissidents on the internet who belong to no club, who are neither rich nor laden with Pulitzers, but produce fine, disobedient, moral journalism — those like Julian Assange.

Meanwhile, it is our responsibility to stand by a true journalist whose sheer courage ought to be inspiration to all of us who still believe that freedom is possible. I salute him.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-julian-assanges-stalinist-trial-mocks-democracy,14287

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Date: 8/09/2020 21:52:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1616338
Subject: re: Julian Assange

didn’t he help to bring to power those who want to bite him

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Date: 8/09/2020 21:55:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1616339
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Ian said:



Having reported the long, epic ordeal of Julian Assange, John Pilger gave this address outside the Central Criminal Court in London on September 7 as the WikiLeaks editor’s extradition hearing entered its final stage.


WHEN I FIRST met Julian Assange more than ten years ago, I asked him why he had started WikiLeaks.

He replied:

“Transparency and accountability are moral issues that must be the essence of public life and journalism.”

I had never heard a publisher or an editor invoke morality in this way. Assange believes that journalists are the agents of people, not power: that we, the people, have a right to know about the darkest secrets of those who claim to act in our name.

If the powerful lie to us, we have the right to know. If they say one thing in private and the opposite in public, we have the right to know. If they conspire against us – as Bush and Blair did over Iraq – then pretend to be democrats, we have the right to know.

It is this morality of purpose that so threatens the collusion of powers that want to plunge much of the world into war and wants to bury Julian alive in Trump’s fascist America.

In 2008, a top-secret U.S. State Department report described in detail how the United States would combat this new moral threat.

A secretly-directed personal smear campaign against Julian Assange would lead to ‘exposure  criminal prosecution’.

The aim was to silence and criminalise WikiLeaks and its founder. Page after page revealed a coming war on a single human being and on the very principle of freedom of speech and freedom of thought, and democracy.

The imperial shock troops would be those who called themselves journalists: the big hitters of the so-called mainstream, especially the “liberals” who mark and patrol the perimeters of dissent.

And that is what happened. I have been a reporter for more than 50 years and I have never known a smear campaign like it: the fabricated character assassination of a man who refused to join the club; who believed journalism was a service to the public, never to those above.

Assange shamed his persecutors. He produced scoop after scoop. He exposed the fraudulence of wars promoted by the media and the homicidal nature of America’s wars, the corruption of dictators, the evils of Guantanamo.

He forced us in the West to look in the mirror. He exposed the official truth-tellers in the media as collaborators: those I would call “Vichy” journalists. None of these imposters believed Assange when he warned that his life was in danger: that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup and an American hellhole was the ultimate destination. And he was right — and repeatedly right.

The extradition hearing in London this week is the final act of an Anglo-American campaign to bury Julian Assange. It is not due process. It is due revenge. The American indictment is clearly rigged — a demonstrable sham. So far, the hearings have been reminiscent of their Stalinist equivalents during the Cold War.

Today, the land that gave us Magna Carta, Great Britain, is distinguished by the abandonment of its own sovereignty in allowing a malign foreign power to manipulate justice and by the vicious psychological torture of Julian. A form of torture, as Nils Melzer, the UN expert has pointed out, that was refined by the Nazis because it was most effective in breaking its victims.  

Every time I have visited Assange in Belmarsh prison, I have seen the effects of this torture. When I last saw him, he had lost more than ten kilos in weight; his arms had no muscle. Incredibly, his wicked sense of humour was intact.

As for Assange’s homeland, Australia has displayed only a cringing cowardice as its Government has secretly conspired against its own citizen who ought to be celebrated as a national hero. Not for nothing did George W. Bush anoint the Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, his “deputy sheriff”.

It is said that whatever happens to Julian Assange in the next three weeks will diminish, if not destroy, freedom of the press in the West. But which press? The Guardian? The BBC, The New York Times, the Jeff Bezos Washington Post?

No, the journalists in these organisations can breathe freely. The Judases at the Guardian who flirted with Julian, exploited his landmark work, made their pile then betrayed him, have nothing to fear. They are safe because they are needed.

Freedom of the press now rests with the honourable few: the exceptions, the dissidents on the internet who belong to no club, who are neither rich nor laden with Pulitzers, but produce fine, disobedient, moral journalism — those like Julian Assange.

Meanwhile, it is our responsibility to stand by a true journalist whose sheer courage ought to be inspiration to all of us who still believe that freedom is possible. I salute him.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-julian-assanges-stalinist-trial-mocks-democracy,14287

bring him home.

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Date: 8/09/2020 21:58:54
From: Ian
ID: 1616341
Subject: re: Julian Assange

SCIENCE said:


didn’t he help to bring to power those who want to bite him

The Clinton emails? That was very bad timing.

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Date: 8/09/2020 21:59:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1616342
Subject: re: Julian Assange

sarahs mum said:


Ian said:


Having reported the long, epic ordeal of Julian Assange, John Pilger gave this address outside the Central Criminal Court in London on September 7 as the WikiLeaks editor’s extradition hearing entered its final stage.


WHEN I FIRST met Julian Assange more than ten years ago, I asked him why he had started WikiLeaks.

He replied:

“Transparency and accountability are moral issues that must be the essence of public life and journalism.”

I had never heard a publisher or an editor invoke morality in this way. Assange believes that journalists are the agents of people, not power: that we, the people, have a right to know about the darkest secrets of those who claim to act in our name.

If the powerful lie to us, we have the right to know. If they say one thing in private and the opposite in public, we have the right to know. If they conspire against us – as Bush and Blair did over Iraq – then pretend to be democrats, we have the right to know.

It is this morality of purpose that so threatens the collusion of powers that want to plunge much of the world into war and wants to bury Julian alive in Trump’s fascist America.

In 2008, a top-secret U.S. State Department report described in detail how the United States would combat this new moral threat.

A secretly-directed personal smear campaign against Julian Assange would lead to ‘exposure  criminal prosecution’.

The aim was to silence and criminalise WikiLeaks and its founder. Page after page revealed a coming war on a single human being and on the very principle of freedom of speech and freedom of thought, and democracy.

The imperial shock troops would be those who called themselves journalists: the big hitters of the so-called mainstream, especially the “liberals” who mark and patrol the perimeters of dissent.

And that is what happened. I have been a reporter for more than 50 years and I have never known a smear campaign like it: the fabricated character assassination of a man who refused to join the club; who believed journalism was a service to the public, never to those above.

Assange shamed his persecutors. He produced scoop after scoop. He exposed the fraudulence of wars promoted by the media and the homicidal nature of America’s wars, the corruption of dictators, the evils of Guantanamo.

He forced us in the West to look in the mirror. He exposed the official truth-tellers in the media as collaborators: those I would call “Vichy” journalists. None of these imposters believed Assange when he warned that his life was in danger: that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup and an American hellhole was the ultimate destination. And he was right — and repeatedly right.

The extradition hearing in London this week is the final act of an Anglo-American campaign to bury Julian Assange. It is not due process. It is due revenge. The American indictment is clearly rigged — a demonstrable sham. So far, the hearings have been reminiscent of their Stalinist equivalents during the Cold War.

Today, the land that gave us Magna Carta, Great Britain, is distinguished by the abandonment of its own sovereignty in allowing a malign foreign power to manipulate justice and by the vicious psychological torture of Julian. A form of torture, as Nils Melzer, the UN expert has pointed out, that was refined by the Nazis because it was most effective in breaking its victims.  

Every time I have visited Assange in Belmarsh prison, I have seen the effects of this torture. When I last saw him, he had lost more than ten kilos in weight; his arms had no muscle. Incredibly, his wicked sense of humour was intact.

As for Assange’s homeland, Australia has displayed only a cringing cowardice as its Government has secretly conspired against its own citizen who ought to be celebrated as a national hero. Not for nothing did George W. Bush anoint the Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, his “deputy sheriff”.

It is said that whatever happens to Julian Assange in the next three weeks will diminish, if not destroy, freedom of the press in the West. But which press? The Guardian? The BBC, The New York Times, the Jeff Bezos Washington Post?

No, the journalists in these organisations can breathe freely. The Judases at the Guardian who flirted with Julian, exploited his landmark work, made their pile then betrayed him, have nothing to fear. They are safe because they are needed.

Freedom of the press now rests with the honourable few: the exceptions, the dissidents on the internet who belong to no club, who are neither rich nor laden with Pulitzers, but produce fine, disobedient, moral journalism — those like Julian Assange.

Meanwhile, it is our responsibility to stand by a true journalist whose sheer courage ought to be inspiration to all of us who still believe that freedom is possible. I salute him.

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/john-pilger-julian-assanges-stalinist-trial-mocks-democracy,14287

bring him home.

Probably rather go to Moscow.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:02:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616343
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Like Assange, Pilger is a great fan of Putin.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:08:07
From: sibeen
ID: 1616345
Subject: re: Julian Assange

that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup

Hold on, this was a rape accusation. Would Pilger give a journalist whose leanings were to the right such leeway as he wants to grant to Assange?

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:12:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616347
Subject: re: Julian Assange

sibeen said:


that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup

Hold on, this was a rape accusation. Would Pilger give a journalist whose leanings were to the right such leeway as he wants to grant to Assange?

Huh? Assange’s leanings are definitely to the right. He describes himself as a “market libertarian”.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:13:22
From: Ian
ID: 1616348
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


Like Assange, Pilger is a great fan of Putin.

Ref?

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:13:28
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616349
Subject: re: Julian Assange

As for Pilger, he’s a classic example of the holier-than-thou supposed “lefty” who is actually happy to support all kinds of far-right regimes, merely because they’re anti-democratic and anti-West.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:16:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616350
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Ian said:


Bubblecar said:

Like Assange, Pilger is a great fan of Putin.

Ref?

Look up Pilger. He defends Russia at any opportunity, blames the West and Ukraine for Putin’s invasion, and denies that Putin had any role in the various poisonings of rivals:

>On the Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, Wiltshire on 4 March 2018, Pilger said in an interview on RT (formerly Russia Today): “This is a carefully constructed drama as part of the propaganda campaign that has been building now for several years in order to justify the actions of NATO, Britain and the United States, towards Russia. That’s a fact”. Such events as the Iraq War, “at the very least should make us sceptical of Theresa May’s theatrics in Parliament”. He hinted that the UK government may have been involved in the attack, saying it had motive and that the nearby Porton Down laboratory has a “long and sinister record with nerve gas and chemical weapons”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:16:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1616351
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


As for Pilger, he’s a classic example of the holier-than-thou supposed “lefty” who is actually happy to support all kinds of far-right regimes, merely because they’re anti-democratic and anti-West.

Which far-right regimes does he support?

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:16:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616352
Subject: re: Julian Assange

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

As for Pilger, he’s a classic example of the holier-than-thou supposed “lefty” who is actually happy to support all kinds of far-right regimes, merely because they’re anti-democratic and anti-West.

Which far-right regimes does he support?

All of them. Very hard to find any totalitarian or anti-democratic regime that he’s not willing to defend.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:19:20
From: party_pants
ID: 1616353
Subject: re: Julian Assange

I’m no sympathiser of Assange, but he should just be sent back to Australia now.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:19:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1616354
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

As for Pilger, he’s a classic example of the holier-than-thou supposed “lefty” who is actually happy to support all kinds of far-right regimes, merely because they’re anti-democratic and anti-West.

Which far-right regimes does he support?

All of them. Very hard to find any totalitarian or anti-democratic regime that he’s not willing to defend.

So is Russia far-right in your political space to linear projection scheme?

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:20:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616355
Subject: re: Julian Assange

party_pants said:


I’m no sympathiser of Assange, but he should just be sent back to Australia now.

I don’t care what they do with him.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:20:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616356
Subject: re: Julian Assange

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Which far-right regimes does he support?

All of them. Very hard to find any totalitarian or anti-democratic regime that he’s not willing to defend.

So is Russia far-right in your political space to linear projection scheme?

Pretty much so, by Western standards.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:23:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1616358
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

I’m no sympathiser of Assange, but he should just be sent back to Australia now.

I don’t care what they do with him.

I just have no faith in either the UK nor the USA right now. They can’t be trusted.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:27:52
From: Ian
ID: 1616360
Subject: re: Julian Assange

party_pants said:


I’m no sympathiser of Assange, but he should just be sent back to Australia now.

He was stupid to release all those files in one big unfiltered dump. But yeah, Sooty should be standing up for him.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:36:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1616368
Subject: re: Julian Assange

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I’m no sympathiser of Assange, but he should just be sent back to Australia now.

I don’t care what they do with him.

I just have no faith in either the UK nor the USA right now. They can’t be trusted.

I dont’ think we can be trusted either.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:40:00
From: party_pants
ID: 1616370
Subject: re: Julian Assange

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t care what they do with him.

I just have no faith in either the UK nor the USA right now. They can’t be trusted.

I dont’ think we can be trusted either.

I don’t think we should put him on trial. Maybe just bring him home and then cancel his passport.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:42:07
From: sibeen
ID: 1616371
Subject: re: Julian Assange

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

I just have no faith in either the UK nor the USA right now. They can’t be trusted.

I dont’ think we can be trusted either.

I don’t think we should put him on trial. Maybe just bring him home and then cancel his passport.

Err, definitely not. If he’s not found guilty of anything you cannot take that away from him.

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Date: 8/09/2020 22:48:35
From: party_pants
ID: 1616373
Subject: re: Julian Assange

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I dont’ think we can be trusted either.

I don’t think we should put him on trial. Maybe just bring him home and then cancel his passport.

Err, definitely not. If he’s not found guilty of anything you cannot take that away from him.

They’ll have to find a loophole somewhere. Perhaps if it is part of a formal repatriation bargain.

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Date: 9/09/2020 08:46:52
From: dv
ID: 1616461
Subject: re: Julian Assange

sibeen said:


that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup

Hold on, this was a rape accusation. Would Pilger give a journalist whose leanings were to the right such leeway as he wants to grant to Assange?

what sibeen said.

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Date: 9/09/2020 09:16:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1616469
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Free Julian, free Lindy, free the Wollongong Four.

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Date: 9/09/2020 09:30:38
From: Tamb
ID: 1616487
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Peak Warming Man said:


Free Julian, free Lindy, free the Wollongong Four.

Acquit the dingo.

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:25:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616559
Subject: re: Julian Assange

dv said:


sibeen said:

that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup

Hold on, this was a rape accusation. Would Pilger give a journalist whose leanings were to the right such leeway as he wants to grant to Assange?

what sibeen said.

…except as I pointed out, Assange’s leanings are to the right.

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:27:05
From: Ian
ID: 1616560
Subject: re: Julian Assange

I’m not saying Assange wasn’t guilty of dirty deeds in Sweeden. Or that he’s not an egotistical knobber and a prick.

But not withstanding, the OO S of A should fuck right off and leave it to British justice.

Our government should be pushing for his acquittal and working to bring him home whatever the outcome of his trial.

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:42:02
From: transition
ID: 1616567
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

that the “sex scandal” in Sweden was a setup

Hold on, this was a rape accusation. Would Pilger give a journalist whose leanings were to the right such leeway as he wants to grant to Assange?

what sibeen said.

…except as I pointed out, Assange’s leanings are to the right.

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:44:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1616568
Subject: re: Julian Assange

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

what sibeen said.

…except as I pointed out, Assange’s leanings are to the right.

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

Well we heard you so you can stop now.

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:51:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616572
Subject: re: Julian Assange

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

what sibeen said.

…except as I pointed out, Assange’s leanings are to the right.

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

>his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish

…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:54:35
From: transition
ID: 1616575
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

…except as I pointed out, Assange’s leanings are to the right.

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

>his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish

…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

i’d believe that if there wasn’t some evidence of confusion about where the chap would like to live

and really everyone makes some choice and commitment about where they live

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:55:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1616577
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

…except as I pointed out, Assange’s leanings are to the right.

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

>his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish

…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

His, or for that matter any bodies, political view should play no part in justice.

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:57:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616579
Subject: re: Julian Assange

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

>his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish

…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

i’d believe that if there wasn’t some evidence of confusion about where the chap would like to live

and really everyone makes some choice and commitment about where they live

He is confused, and evidently not very bright. Nonetheless he leans to the right and used Wikileaks to aid the election of Trump.

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:57:51
From: transition
ID: 1616580
Subject: re: Julian Assange

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

>his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish

…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

i’d believe that if there wasn’t some evidence of confusion about where the chap would like to live

and really everyone makes some choice and commitment about where they live

anyway, again merely an opinion^, a useless one probably

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:58:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616581
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

yeah don’t know, his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish, of relevant cultures he’d possibly prefer to reside, though if you took the idea outside of where he’d prefer to reside things may look different, or one could give it a different look

so depends how wide you go with your big picture, the glasses you view the world through, your world view, what your ego is invested in, or how, ideology, paradigms and all that

it could be a modern illness of some sort that so many want to be interesting

Assange got to be interesting, so he’s a success that way

all opinion above^, I should say in advance that it’s possibly substantially wrong, maybe it’s all wrong, I had to make something up, just to make a few sentences you know

>his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish

…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

His, or for that matter any bodies, political view should play no part in justice.

This thread is based on an article by Pilger, who couldn’t care less about justice and is entirely a political critter.

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Date: 9/09/2020 11:59:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1616584
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

>his (media inclined) libertarian enthusiasms i’d more categorize leftish

…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Would You Feel Differently About Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange If You Knew What They Really Thought?

His, or for that matter any bodies, political view should play no part in justice.

This thread is based on an article by Pilger, who couldn’t care less about justice and is entirely a political critter.

well let’s not forget that now more than ever justice is very much a political matter

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Date: 9/09/2020 12:01:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1616588
Subject: re: Julian Assange

SCIENCE said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

His, or for that matter any bodies, political view should play no part in justice.

This thread is based on an article by Pilger, who couldn’t care less about justice and is entirely a political critter.

well let’s not forget that now more than ever justice is very much a political matter

Pilger reliably backs the worst of the political bad guys, responsible for the most injustice.

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Date: 9/09/2020 12:21:14
From: transition
ID: 1616600
Subject: re: Julian Assange

>..“…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

I guess that means he’d like to live in the US, so could turn out that way

I live in Australia, quite like it here, lot of ocean between here and the US

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Date: 9/09/2020 12:23:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1616601
Subject: re: Julian Assange

transition said:


>..“…except that he describes himself as a right-wing libertarian: “The only hope as far as electoral politics presently … is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

I guess that means he’d like to live in the US, so could turn out that way

I live in Australia, quite like it here, lot of ocean between here and the US

Plenty room here to stay under radar.

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Date: 14/12/2021 10:23:36
From: Ian
ID: 1824966
Subject: re: Julian Assange

Baaarnaabyy uses his time in the quarantine to do something useful.. what a shock!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/barnaby-joyce-opposes-extradition-of-julian-assange/100697630

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:25:36
From: dv
ID: 2168116
Subject: re: Julian Assange

In case anyone’s forgotten about his handiwork.

2016 U.S. presidential election

See also: 2016 Democratic National Committee email leak, Podesta emails, and Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections
Assange wrote on WikiLeaks in February 2016: “I have had years of experience in dealing with Hillary Clinton and have read thousands of her cables. Hillary lacks judgement and will push the United States into endless, stupid wars which spread terrorism. … she certainly should not become president of the United States.” In a 2017 interview by Amy Goodman, Julian Assange said that choosing between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is like choosing between cholera or gonorrhea. “Personally, I would prefer neither.” WikiLeaks editor Sarah Harrison stated that the site was not choosing which damaging publications to release, rather releasing information available to them. In conversations that were leaked in February 2018, Assange expressed a preference for a Republican victory in the 2016 election, saying that “Dems+Media+liberals would then form a block to reign in their worst qualities. With Hillary in charge, GOP will be pushing for her worst qualities, dems+media+neoliberals will be mute. She’s a bright, well connected, sadistic sociopath”.

Having released information about a broad range of organisations and politicians, WikiLeaks started by 2016 to focus almost exclusively on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. In the 2016 U.S. presidential election, WikiLeaks only exposed material damaging to the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton. According to The New York Times, WikiLeaks timed one of its large leaks so that it would happen on the eve of the Democratic Convention. The Sunlight Foundation, an organisation that advocates for open government, said that such actions meant that WikiLeaks was no longer striving to be transparent but rather sought to achieve political goals.

Secret correspondence between WikiLeaks and Donald Trump Jr.

In November 2017, it was revealed that the WikiLeaks Twitter account secretly corresponded with Donald Trump Jr. during the 2016 presidential election. The correspondence shows how WikiLeaks actively solicited the co-operation of Trump Jr., a campaign surrogate and advisor in the campaign of his father. WikiLeaks urged the Trump campaign to reject the results of the 2016 presidential election at a time when it looked as if the Trump campaign would lose. WikiLeaks suggested the Trump campaign leak Trump’s taxes to them. WikiLeaks asked Trump Jr. to share a WikiLeaks tweet with the made-up quote “Can’t we just drone this guy?” which True Pundit said Hillary Clinton made about Assange. WikiLeaks also shared a link to a site that would help people to search through WikiLeaks documents. Trump Jr. shared both. After the election, WikiLeaks also requested that the president-elect push Australia to appoint Assange as ambassador to the US. Trump Jr. provided this correspondence to congressional investigators looking into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Assange repeated his offer of being ambassador to the US after the messages became public, publicly tweeting to Donald Trump Jr. that “I could open a hotel style embassy in DC with luxury immunity suites for whistleblowers. The public will get a turbo-charged flow of intel about the latest CIA plots to undermine democracy. DM me”.

The secretive exchanges led to criticism of WikiLeaks by some former supporters. WikiLeaks tweeted that the Clinton campaign was “constantly slandering” it as “a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source”. Journalist Barrett Brown, a long-time defender of WikiLeaks, was exasperated that Assange was “complaining about ‘slander’ of being pro-Trump IN THE ACTUAL COURSE OF COLLABORATING WITH TRUMP”. He also wrote: “Was “Wikileaks staff” lying on Nov 10, 2016, when they claimed, “The allegations that we have colluded with Trump, or any other candidate for that matter, or with Russia, are just groundless and false”, or did Assange lie to them?”

Brown said Assange had acted “as a covert political operative”, thus betraying WikiLeaks’ focus on exposing “corporate and government wrongdoing”. He considered the latter to be “an appropriate thing to do”, but that “working with an authoritarian would-be leader to deceive the public is indefensible and disgusting”.

Promotion of false conspiracy theories

In 2016 and 2017, WikiLeaks promoted several false conspiracy theories. Most of them were related to the 2016 United States presidential election.

Murder of Seth Rich
Further information: Murder of Seth Rich
WikiLeaks promoted conspiracy theories about the murder of Seth Rich. Unfounded conspiracy theories, spread by some right-wing figures and media outlets, hold that Rich was the source of leaked emails and was killed for working with WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks fuelled such theories when it offered a $20,000 reward for information on Rich’s killer and when Assange implied that Rich was the source of the DNC leaks, although no evidence supports that. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report into Russian interference in the 2016 election said that Assange “implied falsely” that Rich was the source in order to obscure that Russia was the actual source.

Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton

WikiLeaks popularised conspiracy theories about the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton, such as tweeting articles which suggested Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta engaged in satanic rituals, implying that the Democratic Party had Seth Rich killed, claiming that Hillary Clinton wanted to drone strike Assange, suggesting that Clinton wore earpieces to debates and interviews, promoting thinly sourced theories about Clinton’s health and according to Bloomberg creating “anti-Clinton theories out of whole cloth”.

Promotion of false flag theories

On the day the Vault 7 documents were first released, WikiLeaks described UMBRAGE as “a substantial library of attack techniques ‘stolen’ from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation,” and tweeted, “CIA steals other groups virus and malware facilitating false flag attacks.” A conspiracy theory soon emerged alleging that the CIA framed the Russian government for interfering in the 2016 U.S. elections. Conservative commentators such as Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter speculated about this possibility on Twitter, and Rush Limbaugh discussed it on his radio show. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said that Vault 7 showed that “the CIA could get access to such ‘fingerprints’ and then use them.”

In The Washington Post the cybersecurity researcher Ben Buchanan writes that he is sceptical of those theories and that he believes Russia to have initially obtained the DNC emails.

In April 2017, the WikiLeaks Twitter account suggested that the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack, which international human rights organisations and governments of the United States, United Kingdom, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, France, and Israel attributed to the Syrian government, was a false flag attack. WikiLeaks stated that “while western establishment media beat the drum for more war in Syria the matter is far from clear”, and shared a video by a Syrian activist who said that Islamist extremists were probably behind the chemical attack, not the Syrian government.

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