Date: 15/09/2020 12:57:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1619300
Subject: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

Phosphine, a biomarker on Earth, has been detected in the cloud decks of Venus.

>….Despite high levels of acidity, the clouds 50 to 60 kilometres above the surface are a balmy 30 degrees C. And that’s where phosphine has now been found.

“This brings back into play the longstanding — but not much tested — idea of habitable cloud decks on Venus,” said Professor Greaves, who led the international research team.

Professor Greaves and her team first detected the tell-tale wavelength signature emitted by the molecule using the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope in Hawaii.

“When Jane sent me the spectrum I sat in front of my computer blinking for about half an hour. I didn’t believe she’d actually found it,” said the telescope’s deputy director, Jessica Dempsey.

Further observations at the more sensitive Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) in Chile confirmed the result.

“We aren’t saying it’s a 100 per cent robust detection of life, but what we can say is that we’ve opened it up to the possibility that it is that,” Dr Dempsey said.

“We don’t know any other process that can explain the phosphine detection that we see.”

Professor Greave’s colleagues have modelled a number of different scenarios — including chemical reactions in the clouds, minerals being blown up from the surface, volcanoes, lightning or delivery by meteors — and none could explain the amount of phosphine seen the atmosphere.

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Date: 15/09/2020 13:21:12
From: transition
ID: 1619310
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

read that, interesting

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Date: 15/09/2020 13:41:09
From: dv
ID: 1619317
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

Hmm this is what Peter Beck is so excited about

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Date: 15/09/2020 14:00:56
From: Michael V
ID: 1619334
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

Also found in Jupiter’s atmosphere:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphine#Occurrence

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Date: 15/09/2020 19:33:48
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1619510
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

Bubblecar said:


Phosphine, a biomarker on Earth, has been detected in the cloud decks of Venus.

>….Despite high levels of acidity, the clouds 50 to 60 kilometres above the surface are a balmy 30 degrees C. And that’s where phosphine has now been found.

“This brings back into play the longstanding — but not much tested — idea of habitable cloud decks on Venus,” said Professor Greaves, who led the international research team.

Professor Greaves and her team first detected the tell-tale wavelength signature emitted by the molecule using the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope in Hawaii.

“When Jane sent me the spectrum I sat in front of my computer blinking for about half an hour. I didn’t believe she’d actually found it,” said the telescope’s deputy director, Jessica Dempsey.

Further observations at the more sensitive Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) in Chile confirmed the result.

“We aren’t saying it’s a 100 per cent robust detection of life, but what we can say is that we’ve opened it up to the possibility that it is that,” Dr Dempsey said.

“We don’t know any other process that can explain the phosphine detection that we see.”

Professor Greave’s colleagues have modelled a number of different scenarios — including chemical reactions in the clouds, minerals being blown up from the surface, volcanoes, lightning or delivery by meteors — and none could explain the amount of phosphine seen the atmosphere.

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Michael V said:


Also found in Jupiter’s atmosphere:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphine#Occurrence

In Jupiter’s atmosphere makes sense. Jupiter has a reducing atmosphere full of hydrogen so any extra phosphorus is going to be in the form of phosphine.

In Venus’ atmosphere is weirder, though. A carbon dioxide atmosphere doesn’t have much spare hydrogen to attach to phosphorus atoms.

But perhaps there’s some link to the methane found in the atmosphere of Mars, that has a carbon dioxide atmosphere without much spare hydrogen either.

And in Venus’ atmosphere there is carbon monoxide, which would tend to mop up spare oxygen, and allow hydrogen to react with phosphorus to form phosphine. Insufficient information.

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Date: 15/09/2020 19:39:14
From: buffy
ID: 1619512
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

I find it amusing when people say life couldn’t exist in such and such conditions. Life doesn’t have to be like us. Just because we couldn’t exist there, doesn’t necessarily mean some completely different life couldn’t.

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Date: 15/09/2020 19:41:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1619513
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

buffy said:


I find it amusing when people say life couldn’t exist in such and such conditions. Life doesn’t have to be like us. Just because we couldn’t exist there, doesn’t necessarily mean some completely different life couldn’t.

Our extremophiles (at least those we yet know of) couldn’t live there either.

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Date: 15/09/2020 19:42:13
From: buffy
ID: 1619515
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

I find it amusing when people say life couldn’t exist in such and such conditions. Life doesn’t have to be like us. Just because we couldn’t exist there, doesn’t necessarily mean some completely different life couldn’t.

Our extremophiles (at least those we yet know of) couldn’t live there either.

You need to extend the concept of “life”. It doesn’t have to look like anything we’ve got here on this planet.

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Date: 15/09/2020 19:43:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1619516
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

buffy said:


Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I find it amusing when people say life couldn’t exist in such and such conditions. Life doesn’t have to be like us. Just because we couldn’t exist there, doesn’t necessarily mean some completely different life couldn’t.

Our extremophiles (at least those we yet know of) couldn’t live there either.

You need to extend the concept of “life”. It doesn’t have to look like anything we’ve got here on this planet.

The life we have on this planet is the only life we have yet discovered, so anything else is speculation.

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Date: 15/09/2020 19:46:00
From: buffy
ID: 1619517
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Our extremophiles (at least those we yet know of) couldn’t live there either.

You need to extend the concept of “life”. It doesn’t have to look like anything we’ve got here on this planet.

The life we have on this planet is the only life we have yet discovered, so anything else is speculation.

Yes. No dispute on that. But it doesn’t have to be like this planet. It’s entirely possible we would not recognize it. Nor it recognize us.

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Date: 15/09/2020 21:16:47
From: dv
ID: 1619564
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

buffy said:


I find it amusing when people say life couldn’t exist in such and such conditions. Life doesn’t have to be like us. Just because we couldn’t exist there, doesn’t necessarily mean some completely different life couldn’t.

Sure

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Date: 15/09/2020 21:23:46
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1619566
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

dv said:


buffy said:

I find it amusing when people say life couldn’t exist in such and such conditions. Life doesn’t have to be like us. Just because we couldn’t exist there, doesn’t necessarily mean some completely different life couldn’t.

Sure

Considering some species live in and around lava funnels in oceans… critters sure can adapt to what seems inhospitable conditions.

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Date: 15/09/2020 21:54:39
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1619576
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

buffy said:


I find it amusing when people say life couldn’t exist in such and such conditions. Life doesn’t have to be like us. Just because we couldn’t exist there, doesn’t necessarily mean some completely different life couldn’t.

Yah.

But there are limits. Limits imposed by such things as buoyancy and temperature.

I think that that life could exist subsurface on Pluto for instance.
But not on Saturn.

Venus is borderline.

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Date: 31/07/2024 16:06:04
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2181334
Subject: re: Phosphine found in clouds of Venus

The discovery of possible signs of life in Venus’ clouds sparked controversy. Now, scientists say they have more proof
By CNN – 23 hours ago

Katherine Bennell-Pegg, who is the first Australian woman to become an astronaut, has opened up about her journey and what it takes to get to where she is.
Four years ago, the unexpected discovery in the clouds of Venus of a gas that on Earth signifies life – phosphine – faced controversy, earning rebukes in subsequent observations that failed to match its findings.

Now, the same team behind that discovery has come back with more observations, presented for the first time on July 17 at a Royal Astronomical Society meeting in Hull, England.

Eventually, they will form the basis of one or more scientific studies, and that work has already started.

Read more:

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/6f700ad9-4952-47eb-9361-ec603fc03593

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