Fork lift? Or would bulldozer be better?

mollwollfumble said:

Fork lift? Or would bulldozer be better?

I don’t understand the question.

mollwollfumble said:

Fork lift? Or would bulldozer be better?

A future approach ?

Could tugs pull them back into deeper waters?

Getting to them as they beach is the key to saving them

that and aerial data and AI to do the looking and pin point pointing

Tug boats with drones with specially designed nets to pull them back

Drones are stored on the tugs

these tugs could be bought in by chopper if too far away.

Children’s tv show Rusty Rivets is using a crane and sling approach.

Since stranded whales often don’t have good outcomes, perhaps euthanasia should be on hand.

Divine Angel said:

Children’s tv show Rusty Rivets is using a crane and sling approach.

Since stranded whales often don’t have good outcomes, perhaps euthanasia should be on hand.

I believe part of the reason is that their weight outside of water affects their breathing as well. As their body’s in water are not crushing down on their internal organs and stuff. Digging a gutter into the sandbank and a sling would be better than lifting up a dead weight without any equal distrubution of weight to stop causing major damage to the what internally is my thoughts on the matter.

Keeping them alive and strong till the next tide.I haven’t heard thew news. What is the score?

sarahs mum said:

Keeping them alive and strong till the next tide.I haven’t heard thew news. What is the score?

22 or 23 saved so far.

sarahs mum said:

Keeping them alive and strong till the next tide.I haven’t heard thew news. What is the score?

They’re going to die anyway, they’re expensive to maintain like this and they aren’t productive, let them die and Let The Economy Grow.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Keeping them alive and strong till the next tide.I haven’t heard thew news. What is the score?

They’re going to die anyway, they’re expensive to maintain like this and they aren’t productive, let them die and Let The Economy Grow.

If only they wore masks.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Keeping them alive and strong till the next tide.I haven’t heard thew news. What is the score?

They’re going to die anyway, they’re expensive to maintain like this and they aren’t productive, let them die and Let The Economy Grow.

Preventing beaching would be better.

Listening to recorded sounds of the same species deep at sea and those sounds of beaching, do it across different species.

See if any signatures or signs of beaching can be discovered.

> Could tugs pull them back into deeper waters?

They already do that, but they get them by hand into water deep enough for them to swim in first. Then have canvas slung from a boat to tow them into deep water.

The disadvantage of a fork lift as against bulldozer is that a fork lift would have to touch the whales to lift them to deeper water. But that may not be too bad if a taut canvas webbing is strung between the tines to provide a wide support.

The disadvantage of a bulldozer is that, although not touching the whales, it runs the risk of causing the whale to turn upside down. A backhoe could easily dig trenches in to bring the deep water closer to the whales high up the beach.

By hand without heavy machinery is way too slow, and here speed is essential for so many stranded whales.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Keeping them alive and strong till the next tide.I haven’t heard thew news. What is the score?

They’re going to die anyway, they’re expensive to maintain like this and they aren’t productive, let them die and Let The Economy Grow.

Preventing beaching would be better.

Listening to recorded sounds of the same species deep at sea and those sounds of beaching, do it across different species.

See if any signatures or signs of beaching can be discovered.

Nah it’ll put the researchers into a meditative state.

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

Tomorrow’s forecast of cold and wet is good for surviving whales but not good on rescue teams.

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

I wonder if its group depression ?

Then its a chemical signature / s to look for ?

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

I wonder if its group depression ?

Then its a chemical signature / s to look for ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

I wonder if its group depression ?

Then its a chemical signature / s to look for ?

It’s sand bars.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

I wonder if its group depression ?

Then its a chemical signature / s to look for ?

It’s sand bars.

ok

well shallow water gives a different sound to being out in the open sea

maybe thats making their communication difficult ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

I wonder if its group depression ?

Then its a chemical signature / s to look for ?

Serotonin works for locusts. Feeding the whales anti-depressants may actually help.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if its group depression ?

Then its a chemical signature / s to look for ?

It’s sand bars.

ok

well shallow water gives a different sound to being out in the open sea

maybe thats making their communication difficult ?

The beaching in Tas is at the beach on thenorth end of Macquarie Harbour. And there are some on a sandbar inside the gates that did make it into the harbour but still stuffed up.

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

Their form of population control.

From what I can see in an overhead view..

the big group is just to the right of the last ess in Hells Gates.

The smaller group is just inside the harbour under the Pt in Braddons Pt.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

IN Tasmania’s last 200 years there has been 700 strandings totaling 7000 odd individuals.

Their form of population control.

Maybe their depth indicators are not functioning properly ?

They can sense depth

They move around at different heights

I wonder what’s going on.

Hells Gates is the name of the mouth of Macquarie Harbour on the West Coast of Tasmania.

It is a notoriously shallow and dangerous channel entrance to the harbour. The actual channel is between Macquarie Heads on the west and Entrance Island on the east (the main length of the harbour runs southeast of Hells Gates). There is a wider area of water between Entrance Island and Macquarie Head, but it is too shallow to get a boat over.
Hells Gates, viewed from outside. Entrance Island is on the left. Bonnet Island lighthouse is visible in the distance.

Braddon Point is the name of the feature on the eastern shore, while the shallow water south of the point is named Fraser Flats, and the channel adjacent to the breakwater is known as Kelly Channel.

Name origins

The name of the channel relates to the original convicts’ claim that it was their point of ‘entrance to Hell’, their Hell being the Macquarie Harbour Penal Station on Sarah Island and the outlying surrounds of the harbour.
Breakwater and channel

Between 1900 and 1902 the Macquarie Harbour Entrance Works involved the building of a breakwater and the channel was dredged. Parts of the breakwater can still be seen despite the passage of time. The Strahan Marine Board was involved with the monitoring of the mouth until 19 May 1970, when the Hobart Marine Board took over.
Lighthouses

Both Entrance and Bonnet Islands have lights, and they were built before the Cape Sorell lighthouse.
Charts and maps

Due to the precarious entrance, and the changes in the hydrology of the area, charts and maps were updated regularly while Strahan was a port of importance – some of these maps are now available online.

wiki

Maybe some whales have a poor sense of tides ?

Only a couple of shipwrecks. I thought it would be more than considering how many people go on about how dangerous it is.

The stranding of about 470 pilot whales on Tasmania’s west coast is the largest recorded in the state’s history, authorities say.
Key points:

Rescuers discovered another 200 beached pilot whales at a nearby site early on Wednesday It brings the total stranded to about 470 — making it Tasmania’s largest recorded stranding With time running out to save them, attention will soon turn to removal and disposal

About 270 whales were discovered in Macquarie Harbour on Monday, with a further 200 found this morning.

Rescuers say it appears most of the whales discovered this morning, about 7 to 10 kilometres south of the original rescue site near Strahan, have already died.

more..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-23/west-coast-pilot-whale-stranding-largest-beaching-in-tasmania/12691020

sarahs mum said:

The stranding of about 470 pilot whales on Tasmania’s west coast is the largest recorded in the state’s history, authorities say.
Key points:

Rescuers discovered another 200 beached pilot whales at a nearby site early on Wednesday It brings the total stranded to about 470 — making it Tasmania’s largest recorded stranding With time running out to save them, attention will soon turn to removal and disposal

About 270 whales were discovered in Macquarie Harbour on Monday, with a further 200 found this morning.

Rescuers say it appears most of the whales discovered this morning, about 7 to 10 kilometres south of the original rescue site near Strahan, have already died.

more..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-23/west-coast-pilot-whale-stranding-largest-beaching-in-tasmania/12691020

Bloody.

:(

how does it compare to what we accuse JAPAN of

SCIENCE said:

how does it compare to what we accuse JAPAN of

You know..we aren’t causing the whales to beach (overtly.) We are trying to assist them and none of them have been eaten and it isn’t the governments position that we should take factory ships and kill and chill.

What’s all this then? Did i miss some news?

dv said:

What’s all this then? Did i miss some news?

view full thread.

SCIENCE said:

how does it compare to what we accuse JAPAN of

IIRC, Greenland fishes more whales than Japan.

“In 2018, Greenland killed a total of 131 large whales.”

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

What’s all this then? Did i miss some news?

view full thread.

“Tasmania Whale Rescue Ends With 108 Saved and Over 300 Dead”.

See what happens when you don’t use forklifts. I bet with forklifts and bulldozers they could have saved them all.

Heavy machinery is the first thing you need whenever there’s a disaster of any kind, whether it be earthquake, tsunami, tornado, bombing, major fire … or whale rescue.

mollwollfumble said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

What’s all this then? Did i miss some news?

view full thread.

“Tasmania Whale Rescue Ends With 108 Saved and Over 300 Dead”.

See what happens when you don’t use forklifts. I bet with forklifts and bulldozers they could have saved them all.

Heavy machinery is the first thing you need whenever there’s a disaster of any kind, whether it be earthquake, tsunami, tornado, bombing, major fire … or whale rescue.

So they were going to helicopter the forklifts in from Strahan and then run them on sand?