Date: 27/09/2020 09:23:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1624694
Subject: Asch, 1951

Asch conformity experiments

I thought this was interesting because:

1) 1951 was a very good year
2) I hadn’t heard of it before
3) It says a lot about the behaviour of people under current conditions

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Date: 27/09/2020 09:53:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1624702
Subject: re: Asch, 1951

1951 wasn’t all beer and skittles.

Korea.

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Date: 27/09/2020 10:19:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1624723
Subject: re: Asch, 1951

but it’s always the same names trotted out, Asch, Milgram, Stanford, so on

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Date: 27/09/2020 10:25:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1624732
Subject: re: Asch, 1951

SCIENCE said:


but it’s always the same names trotted out, Asch, Milgram, Stanford, so on

But I’d heard of the other two.

The Asch results are something different, it seems to me.

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Date: 27/09/2020 10:27:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1624737
Subject: re: Asch, 1951

fair

if anyone else has any of such classics to add it could be of interest

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Date: 27/09/2020 13:47:27
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1624860
Subject: re: Asch, 1951

SCIENCE said:


fair

if anyone else has any of such classics to add it could be of interest

Any classics, or classics from 1951?

Checking link. I hadn’t heard of Asch, but I had heard of peer group pressure.

“Asch, S.E. (1951). Effects of group pressure on the modification and distortion of judgments.”

“Asch, S.E. (1956). “Studies of independence and conformity. A minority of one against a unanimous majority”. Psychological Monographs. 70 (9): 1–70.”

Asch could never get it published in a reputable journal these days. Off reputable journals, well, my previous post was “America doesn’t exist”, which I think makes me a minority of one against a unanimous majority. So?

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Date: 27/09/2020 14:14:24
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1624883
Subject: re: Asch, 1951

mollwollfumble said:


SCIENCE said:

fair

if anyone else has any of such classics to add it could be of interest

Any classics, or classics from 1951?

Checking link. I hadn’t heard of Asch, but I had heard of peer group pressure.

“Asch, S.E. (1951). Effects of group pressure on the modification and distortion of judgments.”

“Asch, S.E. (1956). “Studies of independence and conformity. A minority of one against a unanimous majority”. Psychological Monographs. 70 (9): 1–70.”

Asch could never get it published in a reputable journal these days. Off reputable journals, well, my previous post was “America doesn’t exist”, which I think makes me a minority of one against a unanimous majority. So?

If you want classics from 1951.
“The story of Miller’s defining achievement begins in 1951, when, as a new graduate student at the University of Chicago, Miller attended a lecture given by Harold Urey on the subject of the origin of the solar system.”

If you want classics in psychology. I still count Thouless (1930) “Straight and crooked thinking” as one of my top reference books. I have the 1956 edition. Politicians are now smart enough to avoid direct use of Thouless “crooked thinking”, having invented new ways to think crookedly. But the media, yowsers, dozens of examples of Thouless “crooked thinking” in every article.

Another psychology classic is Kinsey’s “Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948)” and “Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953)”.

As for Asch, “A minority of one against a unanimous majority”, well, Rump is a perfect example of a minority of one against a unanimous majority, and look at all the Sunni that gets dumped on him. (Sorry, I don’t mean Sunni, I mean Shiite).

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Date: 27/09/2020 14:49:58
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1624900
Subject: re: Asch, 1951

Another classic along the lines of Asch, Milgrom and Stanford is:

“A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957)”, Leon Festinger

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

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