>>Chief Commissioner Shane Patton yesterday warned police would not hesitate to issue the fine to people caught attending indoor or outdoor gatherings.

He said police had busted at least 10 separate parties at short-term rental properties over the weekend.

At one party, a group of adults had installed a jumping castle.

Forty people were caught at another, and 15 fines were issued. Under the new rules, those fines would total almost $75,000.

“The risk of spread of coronavirus from group gatherings is significant, the Chief Health Officer has stated that,” Commissioner Patton said.

He said police would only exercise discretion not to issue fines “in the most extreme circumstance and very rarely”.<<

More people who don’t think. Forty!

REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-29/victorian-coronavirus-fines-for-gatherings-contact-tracing/12711640

buffy said:

>>Chief Commissioner Shane Patton yesterday warned police would not hesitate to issue the fine to people caught attending indoor or outdoor gatherings.

He said police had busted at least 10 separate parties at short-term rental properties over the weekend.

At one party, a group of adults had installed a jumping castle.

Forty people were caught at another, and 15 fines were issued. Under the new rules, those fines would total almost $75,000.

“The risk of spread of coronavirus from group gatherings is significant, the Chief Health Officer has stated that,” Commissioner Patton said.

He said police would only exercise discretion not to issue fines “in the most extreme circumstance and very rarely”.<<

More people who don’t think. Forty!

REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-29/victorian-coronavirus-fines-for-gatherings-contact-tracing/12711640

> He said police would only exercise discretion not to issue fines “in the most extreme circumstance and very rarely”.<<

> More people who don’t think. Extreme! What’s so damn extreme about a kids birthday party.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

>>Chief Commissioner Shane Patton yesterday warned police would not hesitate to issue the fine to people caught attending indoor or outdoor gatherings.

He said police had busted at least 10 separate parties at short-term rental properties over the weekend.

At one party, a group of adults had installed a jumping castle.

Forty people were caught at another, and 15 fines were issued. Under the new rules, those fines would total almost $75,000.

“The risk of spread of coronavirus from group gatherings is significant, the Chief Health Officer has stated that,” Commissioner Patton said.

He said police would only exercise discretion not to issue fines “in the most extreme circumstance and very rarely”.<<

More people who don’t think. Forty!

REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-29/victorian-coronavirus-fines-for-gatherings-contact-tracing/12711640

> He said police would only exercise discretion not to issue fines “in the most extreme circumstance and very rarely”.<<

> More people who don’t think. Extreme! What’s so damn extreme about a kids birthday party.

Even under normal circumstances, children can get sick from bouncy castles.
https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/real-life/in-the-news/warning-your-child-can-get-a-disgusting-infection-from-a-jumping-castle/news-story/d567383fad7e40c21a99dea13ff98a46

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

I’ve never liked the name Centers for Disease Control. It always makes me think it means a place where disease is used to control someone.

Because This Is Totally Going To Be Safer

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-29/prime-minister-scott-morrison-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine/12713082

Question for Rule if he is about. Can you find a DHHS page with the new face mask information? I can’t see one, just news items about Dan’s press conference saying scarves and bandannas are out now. What exactly does “fitted” mean?

Oh, I asked because I have done the dupatta wrap a few times and it would seem this is no longer acceptable as it’s a “scarf”, not a fitted mask. But there are people who do this as part of their normal life and they can’t really wear a mask under the dupatta. There is a way of doing it so that it is two layers.

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

dv said:

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

You’re loosing (sic) it man. You posted the same thing less than three hours ago.

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

You’re loosing (sic) it man. You posted the same thing less than three hours ago.

Yeah I’m probably losing it but I saw that post on my browser in edit mode and thought I must have neglected to Submit.

buffy said:

Question for Rule if he is about. Can you find a DHHS page with the new face mask information? I can’t see one, just news items about Dan’s press conference saying scarves and bandannas are out now. What exactly does “fitted” mean?

Not a sausage.

I need to create the acronym HAGACE (Health Are Garbage At Comm Ed) to save time.

buffy said:

Question for Rule if he is about. Can you find a DHHS page with the new face mask information? I can’t see one, just news items about Dan’s press conference saying scarves and bandannas are out now. What exactly does “fitted” mean?

I checked, and it seems the DHHS site has yet to be updated

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/face-coverings-covid-19

ABC had this to say late yesterday arvo:

………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Yesterday at 6:06pm
By Kelsie Iorio

More to come on mask changes

I’d love to further clarify the changes to mandatory masks in Victoria for you all, but it appears there might be a bit of a delay on the DHHS’ website.

What I do know though, is that the Victorian Government released this face covering update yesterday:

“A face covering means a face mask that covers the nose and mouth.

“Face shields on their own do not meet these requirements.

“There will be a two-week grace period in enforcement.”

And Premier Daniel Andrews said this in a statement:

“With more people moving across our city, our public health team have advised the rules around wearing a mask need to be strengthened.

“Victorians will now be required to wear a fitted face mask, covering the nose and mouth.

“Some of the concessions we made as we adjusted to this new normal – things like wearing a scarf or a bandana or a face shield – will no longer apply.”

Watch this space and stay masked up in the meantime.

…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-28/coronavirus-live-updates-covid19-victoria-melbourne/12709130

buffy said:

Question for Rule if he is about. Can you find a DHHS page with the new face mask information? I can’t see one, just news items about Dan’s press conference saying scarves and bandannas are out now. What exactly does “fitted” mean?

Not a sausage.

I need to create the acronym HAGACE (Health Are Garbage At Comm Ed) to save time.

See, I would just wear that.

If they give you any trouble, tell them it’s religious, then just sit back and watch shit get awkward.

:-)

My browser seems to be struggling with the forum software.

The above was in response to the picture of the mask, in case that wasn’t obvious.

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

You’re loosing (sic) it man. You posted the same thing less than three hours ago.

Only another 5 weeks and DV will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

You’re loosing (sic) it man. You posted the same thing less than three hours ago.

Only another 5 weeks and DV will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again.

I’m going back to prison??

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield is concerned that White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Scott Atlas is providing President Trump with misleading information about Covid-19, a federal official told CNN.

NBC News reported Monday that Redfield was overheard during a phone call in public on a commercial airline to say, “Everything he says is false.” NBC News, which heard the comment, said Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington, D.C., that he was speaking about Dr. Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist who joined the White House Coronavirus Task Force in August.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/28/health/redfield-atlas-coronavirus-data-comments/index.html

You’re loosing (sic) it man. You posted the same thing less than three hours ago.

Only another 5 weeks and DV will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again.

Vera will be pleased.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

You’re loosing (sic) it man. You posted the same thing less than three hours ago.

Only another 5 weeks and DV will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again.

Vera will be pleased.

Okay now it is my turn not to get the cultural references.

dv said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Only another 5 weeks and DV will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again.

Vera will be pleased.

Okay now it is my turn not to get the cultural references.

Vera Lynn, The White Cliffs of Dover.

dv said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Only another 5 weeks and DV will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again.

Vera will be pleased.

Okay now it is my turn not to get the cultural references.

When the war’s over.

“The shepherd will tend his sheep
The valley will bloom again
And Jimmy will go to sleep
In his own little room again”

dv said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Only another 5 weeks and DV will be able to go to sleep in his own little room again.

Vera will be pleased.

Okay now it is my turn not to get the cultural references.

Words from the recently departed Vera Lynn’s most famous song.

Rule 303 said:

My browser seems to be struggling with the forum software.

The above was in response to the picture of the mask, in case that wasn’t obvious.

Thanks for looking, Rule. Perhaps there is some way I don’t know about for wearing a bandanna. Around here, a bandanna covers as much as a fitted mask and is generally tucked into the top of the jumper. I’m getting a bit confused. Scarves around here are long ones wound around and they too cover more than a fitted mask. And as for the disposable blue masks, I haven’t yet seen one that actually fits and doesn’t gape widely at the sides. Seems to me like complicating things for the sake of it now.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

My browser seems to be struggling with the forum software.

The above was in response to the picture of the mask, in case that wasn’t obvious.

Thanks for looking, Rule. Perhaps there is some way I don’t know about for wearing a bandanna. Around here, a bandanna covers as much as a fitted mask and is generally tucked into the top of the jumper. I’m getting a bit confused. Scarves around here are long ones wound around and they too cover more than a fitted mask. And as for the disposable blue masks, I haven’t yet seen one that actually fits and doesn’t gape widely at the sides. Seems to me like complicating things for the sake of it now.

It does seem to be a bit arbitrary to be bringing in something like this now. Got to be seen ‘doing something’.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

Vera will be pleased.

Okay now it is my turn not to get the cultural references.

Words from the recently departed Vera Lynn’s most famous song.

Its sad that songs are departing to another world.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Okay now it is my turn not to get the cultural references.

Words from the recently departed Vera Lynn’s most famous song.

Its sad that songs are departing to another world.

Where are they going?

More Good News For The Flock

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/09/28/world/science-health-world/brazil-amazon-coronavirus-herd-immunity/

In Brazil’s Amazon, a COVID-19 resurgence dashes herd immunity hopes

In April and May, so many Manaus residents were dying from COVID-19 that its hospitals collapsed and cemeteries could not dig graves fast enough. The city never imposed a full lockdown. June, deaths unexpectedly plummeted. Public health experts wondered whether so many residents had caught the virus that it had run out of new people to infect. The COVID-19 death toll that officially peaked at 60 on April 30 dropped to just two or three a day by late August.

medRxiv, a website distributing unpublished papers on health science, estimated that 44 percent to 66 percent of the Manaus population was infected between the peak in mid-May and August. University of Sao Paulo researchers suggested that a drastic fall in COVID-19 deaths in Manaus pointed to collective immunity at work, but they also believe that antibodies to the disease after infection may not last more than a few months. Institute of Tropical Medicine tested newly donated banked blood for antibodies to the virus and used a mathematical model to estimate contagion levels. The high infection rate suggested that herd immunity led to the dramatic drop in cases and deaths, the study said.

Now the numbers are on the rise again. Local authorities on Friday enforced a 30-day ban on parties and other gatherings, and restricted restaurant and shopping hours

SCIENCE said:

More Good News For The Flock

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/09/28/world/science-health-world/brazil-amazon-coronavirus-herd-immunity/

In Brazil’s Amazon, a COVID-19 resurgence dashes herd immunity hopes

In April and May, so many Manaus residents were dying from COVID-19 that its hospitals collapsed and cemeteries could not dig graves fast enough. The city never imposed a full lockdown. June, deaths unexpectedly plummeted. Public health experts wondered whether so many residents had caught the virus that it had run out of new people to infect. The COVID-19 death toll that officially peaked at 60 on April 30 dropped to just two or three a day by late August.

medRxiv, a website distributing unpublished papers on health science, estimated that 44 percent to 66 percent of the Manaus population was infected between the peak in mid-May and August. University of Sao Paulo researchers suggested that a drastic fall in COVID-19 deaths in Manaus pointed to collective immunity at work, but they also believe that antibodies to the disease after infection may not last more than a few months. Institute of Tropical Medicine tested newly donated banked blood for antibodies to the virus and used a mathematical model to estimate contagion levels. The high infection rate suggested that herd immunity led to the dramatic drop in cases and deaths, the study said.

Now the numbers are on the rise again. Local authorities on Friday enforced a 30-day ban on parties and other gatherings, and restricted restaurant and shopping hours

Hmmmm.

Or maybe not Good News.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

Words from the recently departed Vera Lynn’s most famous song.

Its sad that songs are departing to another world.

Where are they going?

Somewhere where they will meet again.

It’s happened, >1 million. I predicted that it wouldn’t.
But then I never predicted the second wave.
Or the impossible mismatch between new cases and new deaths.
Or the stupidity of governments.

mollwollfumble said:

It’s happened, >1 million. I predicted that it wouldn’t.
But then I never predicted the second wave.
Or the impossible mismatch between new cases and new deaths.
Or the stupidity of governments.

They have been discussing a second wave since they mentioned pandemic.

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s happened, >1 million. I predicted that it wouldn’t.
But then I never predicted the second wave.
Or the impossible mismatch between new cases and new deaths.
Or the stupidity of governments.

They have been discussing a second wave since they mentioned pandemic.

Moll isn’t very bright. I think he gets most of his news from this place which is a little scary.

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s happened, >1 million. I predicted that it wouldn’t.
But then I never predicted the second wave.
Or the impossible mismatch between new cases and new deaths.
Or the stupidity of governments.

They have been discussing a second wave since they mentioned pandemic.

Yeah, but I never believed it until it happened in a second country. What country (other than Iraq) would be stupid enough to allow it? It took more than another month before it happened in any other country.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s happened, >1 million. I predicted that it wouldn’t.
But then I never predicted the second wave.
Or the impossible mismatch between new cases and new deaths.
Or the stupidity of governments.

They have been discussing a second wave since they mentioned pandemic.

Moll isn’t very bright. I think he gets most of his news from this place which is a little scary.

I do. But I’m not only bright, I’m brilliant. Some of the time. Unfortunately, I have a tendency to underestimate the stupidity of others.

It was a full five months after the first coronavirus cases before the start of the second wave. Who would have imagined that governments still hadn’t got their shit together after such a long time. The 1968 pandemic was essentially over when the vaccine was released just 3 months after the first case in China.

The second wave is a mutated virus with a completely different mortality rate – in every country – to the virus that caused the first wave. The viruses that caused the first wave are quite probably all gone in more than 50% of countries.

mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

They have been discussing a second wave since they mentioned pandemic.

Moll isn’t very bright. I think he gets most of his news from this place which is a little scary.

I do. But I’m not only bright, I’m brilliant. Some of the time. Unfortunately, I have a tendency to underestimate the stupidity of others.

It was a full five months after the first coronavirus cases before the start of the second wave. Who would have imagined that governments still hadn’t got their shit together after such a long time. The 1968 pandemic was essentially over when the vaccine was released just 3 months after the first case in China.

The second wave is a mutated virus with a completely different mortality rate – in every country – to the virus that caused the first wave. The viruses that caused the first wave are quite probably all gone in more than 50% of countries.

In fact, governments have been so stupid that I’m thinking of starting my own country. One in which medical treatments are available ten times sooner than in Australia and the USA.

dv said:

LOL

dv said:

slaps knee

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

slaps knee

don’t encourage him!

dv said:

Not a clue.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Not a clue.

Well I presumed it was the current slogan, but I don’t know how you get it from the numbers.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Not a clue.

Stay at home, wear a mask.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Not a clue.

Well I presumed it was the current slogan, but I don’t know how you get it from the numbers.

Standard modem IP addresses.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Not a clue.

Stay at home, wear a mask.

Yeah, but how do the numbers represent that? Is it some internet address thingy?

Michael V said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Not a clue.

Well I presumed it was the current slogan, but I don’t know how you get it from the numbers.

Standard modem IP addresses.

There ya go, you learn something new every day. Unfortunately you also forget about a hundred other things, some of them were probably vital but you’ll never know.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Not a clue.

Stay at home, wear a mask.

Yeah, but how do the numbers represent that? Is it some internet address thingy?

Man you’re out of touch, I’ll leave it to someone else to explain it to you.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Stay at home, wear a mask.

Yeah, but how do the numbers represent that? Is it some internet address thingy?

Man you’re out of touch, I’ll leave it to someone else to explain it to you.

stay at localhost wear a subnet mask, that’s almost neat

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Not a clue.

Stay at home, wear a mask.

PMSL. Yes.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Not a clue.

255.255.255.0 is a mask

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Well I presumed it was the current slogan, but I don’t know how you get it from the numbers.

Standard modem IP addresses.

There ya go, you learn something new every day. Unfortunately you also forget about a hundred other things, some of them were probably vital but you’ll never know.

you can google this stuff ya know.

dv said:

ROFL

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Well I presumed it was the current slogan, but I don’t know how you get it from the numbers.

Standard modem IP addresses.

There ya go, you learn something new every day. Unfortunately you also forget about a hundred other things, some of them were probably vital but you’ll never know.

First pants THEN shoes, FYI…just in case.

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Standard modem IP addresses.

There ya go, you learn something new every day. Unfortunately you also forget about a hundred other things, some of them were probably vital but you’ll never know.

First pants THEN shoes, FYI…just in case.

But…flares! (Or bell bottoms, if you are even older)

:)

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

There ya go, you learn something new every day. Unfortunately you also forget about a hundred other things, some of them were probably vital but you’ll never know.

First pants THEN shoes, FYI…just in case.

But…flares! (Or bell bottoms, if you are even older)

:)

I went looking for a tie in an old wardrobe the other day and found a safari suit.

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Standard modem IP addresses.

There ya go, you learn something new every day. Unfortunately you also forget about a hundred other things, some of them were probably vital but you’ll never know.

you can google this stuff ya know.

Why would you do that, when you can proudly proclaim your ignorance of all things modern here?

Information extracted from ClinicalTrials.gov database.

A few of the antiviral drugs that are at least partially effective against Covid-19

Oseltamivir
ASC09F
Ritonavir
Azithromycin (aka AZ)
Hydrocortisone
Ceftriaxone
Nitazoxanide
Antibody-Rich Plasma from COVID-19 recovered patients
Baloxavir
Hydroxychloroquine (aka HCQ)
SIR
Isotretinoin (13 cis retinoic acid )

In addition, the following known antivirals are worth testing on Covid-19

Diltiazem
SOC
Posaconazole

New Western Taiwan Grows Police Surveillance State

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-30/coronavirus-experts-back-covid-19-home-quarantine-for-travellers/12715344

Premier Mark McGowan said the changes reflected updated health advice.

Western Australian police officers are using a new app called G2G Now, which uses facial recognition and location data tracking, for quarantine checks.

Professor Bennett said that could be used in a wider context to enforce home quarantine.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Its sad that songs are departing to another world.

Where are they going?

Somewhere where they will meet again.

We’ll Meet Again

New Research Finds Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Is an Impractical Strategy

Achieving herd immunity to COVID-19 is an impractical public health strategy, according to a new model developed by University of Georgia scientists. The study recently appeared in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Controlling COVID-19 has presented public health policymakers with a conundrum:

more…

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/cave-full-of-bats-in-china-identified-as-source-of-virus-almost-identical-to-the-one-killing-hundreds-todayn

This cave was identified when doing research around SARS

Cave full of bats in China identified as source of virus almost identical to the one killing hundreds today
Researchers discovered the cave 15 years ago but did not have the funding for further research

More in the article.

I think the world should be mapping bat colonies on universal database not just because of Covid but to monitor health of wild populations and understand better what is going on in these groups.

Better management of their habitats and changing guidelines on how people approach bat colonies.

This may be part of a management strategy for improving health of us and them.

The following is a roundup of some of the latest scientific studies on the novel coronavirus and efforts to find treatments and vaccines for COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus.

Neanderthal genes linked with severe COVID-19

A group of genes passed down from extinct human cousins is linked with a higher risk for severe COVID-19, researchers say. When they compared the genetic profiles of about 3,200 hospitalized COVID-19 patients and nearly 900,000 people from the general population, they found that a cluster of genes on chromosome 3 inherited from Neanderthals who lived more than 50,000 years ago is linked with 60% higher odds of needing hospitalization. People with COVID-19 who inherited this gene cluster are also more likely to need artificial breathing assistance, coauthor Hugo Zeberg of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology said in a news release. The prevalence of these genes varies widely, according to a report published on Wednesday in Nature. In South Asia, roughly 30% of people have them, compared to roughly one in six Europeans. They are almost non-existent in Africa and East Asia. While the study cannot explain why these particular genes confer a higher risk, the authors conclude, “with respect to the current pandemic, it is clear that gene flow from Neanderthals has tragic consequences.” (https://go.nature.com/36lHwnC)

Mosquitoes cannot transmit COVID-19

A mosquito that bites a person with COVID-19 cannot pass the coronavirus infection to its next victim, according to a study by researchers from U.S. Department of Agriculture and Kansas State University. Mosquitoes are notorious disease carriers, transmitting West Nile virus, Zika, and many other viruses from person to person and among animals. In laboratory experiments, researchers allowed several species of disease-carrying mosquitoes, plus some other biting insects, to feed on blood spiked with the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. The virus was unable to survive and replicate itself in any of the insects, they reported in a paper posted on Wednesday on bioRxiv ahead of peer review. “Biting insects do not pose a risk for transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to humans or animals,” the researchers said. (https://bit.ly/3jgeLMw)

Moderna vaccine passes safety test in older patients

Results from an early safety study of Moderna Inc’s coronavirus vaccine candidate in older adults showed that it produced immune responses at levels similar to those seen in younger adults, with side effects roughly on par with high-dose flu shots, researchers reported on Tuesday in The New England Journal of Medicine. The findings are reassuring because immunity tends to weaken with age, coauthor Dr. Evan Anderson of Emory University in Atlanta told Reuters. The trial involved 20 adults aged 56 to 70 and another 20 aged 71 and older. Side effects included headache, fatigue, body aches, chills and injection site pain. In most cases, these were mild to moderate. “This is similar to what a lot of older adults are going to experience with the high dose influenza vaccine,” Anderson said. Moderna is already testing the vaccine in a large Phase III trial, the final stage before seeking emergency authorization or approval. (https://bit.ly/3ihdvrp; https://reut.rs/3cL77HN)

Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent COVID-19

A malaria drug taken by U.S. President Donald Trump to prevent COVID-19 did not help prevent coronavirus infections in healthcare workers in a gold-standard randomized controlled trial conducted at the University of Pennsylvania. The new research, published on Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine, shows that routine use of the drug, hydroxychloroquine, cannot be recommended to healthcare workers for prevention of COVID-19, researchers said. The study largely confirms results from a similar trial conducted at the University of Minnesota in which hydroxychloroquine failed to prevent infection among people exposed to the new coronavirus. (https://bit.ly/3ldgMdd; https://bit.ly/34eErTl; https://reut.rs/3cM7wty)

Immune differences seen in children with inflammatory syndrome after COVID-19

A new study may shed light on why some youngsters develop the rare and dangerous multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) after recovering from COVID-19 while most do not. The syndrome can cause severe inflammation of blood vessels, the heart, lungs, kidneys, and other organs. The immune system is more highly activated in children with MIS-C than in those with COVID-19, study co-author Dr. John Wherry of University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine told Reuters. However, in MIS-C patients, the activated immune system quickly settles down, and symptoms improve, often faster than during a bout with COVID-19. Wherry noted a possible connection between a specific type of activated immune cell in children with MIS-C and some of the vascular complications seen in that condition as well as in COVID-19. “The identification of an immune cell type connected to vascular symptoms may identify a new (treatment) target if approaches can be developed to target such cells,” he said. The study was published on Sunday on medRxiv ahead of peer review. (https://bit.ly/3n2KFyp)

Open https://tmsnrt.rs/3a5EyDh in an external browser for a Reuters graphic on vaccines and treatments in development.

(Reporting by Nancy Lapid and Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Bill Berkrot)

The following is a roundup of some of the latest scientific studies on the novel coronavirus and efforts to find treatments and vaccines for COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus.

Neanderthal genes linked with severe COVID-19

A group of genes passed down from extinct human cousins is linked with a higher risk for severe COVID-19, researchers say. When they compared the genetic profiles of about 3,200 hospitalized COVID-19 patients and nearly 900,000 people from the general population, they found that a cluster of genes on chromosome 3 inherited from Neanderthals who lived more than 50,000 years ago is linked with 60% higher odds of needing hospitalization. People with COVID-19 who inherited this gene cluster are also more likely to need artificial breathing assistance, coauthor Hugo Zeberg of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology said in a news release. The prevalence of these genes varies widely, according to a report published on Wednesday in Nature. In South Asia, roughly 30% of people have them, compared to roughly one in six Europeans. They are almost non-existent in Africa and East Asia. While the study cannot explain why these particular genes confer a higher risk, the authors conclude, “with respect to the current pandemic, it is clear that gene flow from Neanderthals has tragic consequences.” (https://go.nature.com/36lHwnC)

Mosquitoes cannot transmit COVID-19

A mosquito that bites a person with COVID-19 cannot pass the coronavirus infection to its next victim, according to a study by researchers from U.S. Department of Agriculture and Kansas State University. Mosquitoes are notorious disease carriers, transmitting West Nile virus, Zika, and many other viruses from person to person and among animals. In laboratory experiments, researchers allowed several species of disease-carrying mosquitoes, plus some other biting insects, to feed on blood spiked with the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. The virus was unable to survive and replicate itself in any of the insects, they reported in a paper posted on Wednesday on bioRxiv ahead of peer review. “Biting insects do not pose a risk for transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to humans or animals,” the researchers said. (https://bit.ly/3jgeLMw)

Moderna vaccine passes safety test in older patients

Results from an early safety study of Moderna Inc’s coronavirus vaccine candidate in older adults showed that it produced immune responses at levels similar to those seen in younger adults, with side effects roughly on par with high-dose flu shots, researchers reported on Tuesday in The New England Journal of Medicine. The findings are reassuring because immunity tends to weaken with age, coauthor Dr. Evan Anderson of Emory University in Atlanta told Reuters. The trial involved 20 adults aged 56 to 70 and another 20 aged 71 and older. Side effects included headache, fatigue, body aches, chills and injection site pain. In most cases, these were mild to moderate. “This is similar to what a lot of older adults are going to experience with the high dose influenza vaccine,” Anderson said. Moderna is already testing the vaccine in a large Phase III trial, the final stage before seeking emergency authorization or approval. (https://bit.ly/3ihdvrp; https://reut.rs/3cL77HN)

Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent COVID-19

A malaria drug taken by U.S. President Donald Trump to prevent COVID-19 did not help prevent coronavirus infections in healthcare workers in a gold-standard randomized controlled trial conducted at the University of Pennsylvania. The new research, published on Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine, shows that routine use of the drug, hydroxychloroquine, cannot be recommended to healthcare workers for prevention of COVID-19, researchers said. The study largely confirms results from a similar trial conducted at the University of Minnesota in which hydroxychloroquine failed to prevent infection among people exposed to the new coronavirus. (https://bit.ly/3ldgMdd; https://bit.ly/34eErTl; https://reut.rs/3cM7wty)

Immune differences seen in children with inflammatory syndrome after COVID-19

A new study may shed light on why some youngsters develop the rare and dangerous multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) after recovering from COVID-19 while most do not. The syndrome can cause severe inflammation of blood vessels, the heart, lungs, kidneys, and other organs. The immune system is more highly activated in children with MIS-C than in those with COVID-19, study co-author Dr. John Wherry of University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine told Reuters. However, in MIS-C patients, the activated immune system quickly settles down, and symptoms improve, often faster than during a bout with COVID-19. Wherry noted a possible connection between a specific type of activated immune cell in children with MIS-C and some of the vascular complications seen in that condition as well as in COVID-19. “The identification of an immune cell type connected to vascular symptoms may identify a new (treatment) target if approaches can be developed to target such cells,” he said. The study was published on Sunday on medRxiv ahead of peer review. (https://bit.ly/3n2KFyp)

Open https://tmsnrt.rs/3a5EyDh in an external browser for a Reuters graphic on vaccines and treatments in development.

(Reporting by Nancy Lapid and Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Bill Berkrot)

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly. 2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when. 3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves. 4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

We’re already seeing people who can’t shake off symptoms months after infection, plus more who exhibit post-viral symptoms such as chronic fatigue.

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly.

2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when.

3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves.

4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

…because formatting matters.

Divine Angel said:

We’re already seeing people who can’t shake off symptoms months after infection, plus more who exhibit post-viral symptoms such as chronic fatigue.

Mate in the US has recovered, still has problems walking up a flight of stairs a month later.

Dark Orange said:

Divine Angel said:

We’re already seeing people who can’t shake off symptoms months after infection, plus more who exhibit post-viral symptoms such as chronic fatigue.

Mate in the US has recovered, still has problems walking up a flight of stairs a month later.

In response to Divine Angel.

mollwollfumble said:

You may or may not have noticed that I’ve been complaining about having a cold that comes and goes for most of lockdown. Sore throat, blocked nose, runny eyes, cough. I’ve just twigged.

…

I’m allergic to cats.

I thought I couldn’t shake off symptoms for months afterward. … but it wasn’t the infection at all.

mollwollfumble said:

Dark Orange said:

Divine Angel said:

We’re already seeing people who can’t shake off symptoms months after infection, plus more who exhibit post-viral symptoms such as chronic fatigue.

Mate in the US has recovered, still has problems walking up a flight of stairs a month later.

In response to Divine Angel.

mollwollfumble said:

You may or may not have noticed that I’ve been complaining about having a cold that comes and goes for most of lockdown. Sore throat, blocked nose, runny eyes, cough. I’ve just twigged.

…

I’m allergic to cats.

I thought I couldn’t shake off symptoms for months afterward. … but it wasn’t the infection at all.

prove it

Dark Orange said:

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly.

2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when.

3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves.

4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

…because formatting matters.

Who cares, by then it’s someone else’s problem to look after them and The Economy Must Grow with demand for parkinson type drugs, it’s not as if we care about people who are expensive to maintain and not very productive anyway, wait.

mollwollfumble said:

You may or may not have noticed that I’ve been complaining about having a cold that comes and goes for most of lockdown. Sore throat, blocked nose, runny eyes, cough. I’ve just twigged.

…

I’m allergic to cats.

LOL – oh dear.

I thought I couldn’t shake off symptoms for months afterward. … but it wasn’t the infection at all.

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly. 2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when. 3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves. 4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

The Spanish Flu ———> Parkinson’s Disease happened to my great aunt. She was quite badly shaky when I met her in 1964.

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

You may or may not have noticed that I’ve been complaining about having a cold that comes and goes for most of lockdown. Sore throat, blocked nose, runny eyes, cough. I’ve just twigged.

…

I’m allergic to cats.

LOL – oh dear.

I thought I couldn’t shake off symptoms for months afterward. … but it wasn’t the infection at all.

He doesn’t live near Angelsea does he?

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly. 2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when. 3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves. 4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

The Spanish Flu ———> Parkinson’s Disease happened to my great aunt. She was quite badly shaky when I met her in 1964.

Shouldn’t we be a little careful here with causation?

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly. 2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when. 3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves. 4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

The Spanish Flu ———> Parkinson’s Disease happened to my great aunt. She was quite badly shaky when I met her in 1964.

Shouldn’t we be a little careful here with causation?

Although to be careful we should perhaps be wary of also citing ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc .

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly. 2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when. 3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves. 4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

The Spanish Flu ———> Parkinson’s Disease happened to my great aunt. She was quite badly shaky when I met her in 1964.

Shouldn’t we be a little careful here with causation?

Presented as nothing more than speculation.

From someone working in ICU in Victoria:

I have had an interesting 2.5 weeks.

I contracted COVID pneumonia, probably from work. Initially I was floored by lethargy/fatigue – didn’t think too much of it as I work ~80hrs a week. Within a day I was hit with relentless rigors and the doubling down of lethargy so I got swabbed – positive. Groan. Spent the next few days at home becoming progressively more short of breath. Walking 5 metres to the toilet meant 5 minutes trying to catch my breath. My little sat probe was reading numbers in the mid 70s with minimal exertion, high 80s at rest (should be mid to high 90s). Eventually, I figured denial was not just a river in Egypt. I called an ambulance and got to hospital. Got a CXR pretty much on entry and asked to look at it. My heart sank. I had been putting people on life support for the last month with better looking CXRs. My blood work suggested I would not do well (high procalcitonin and d dimer, lymphopaenia). I facetimed my 10 yo daughter wondering when (if?) I might see her again. I ended up in intensive care. Managed to claw my way past a ventilator but I had I caught it first time around, I absolutely would have been on one. Anyway, steroids, remdesivir and some IV broad spectrum antibiotics slowly and steadily turned things around for me.

Currently at home recovering. I have a persistent cough and some mild exertional shortness of breath which seems to be resolving. I genuinely feel like I have cheated death.

Dark Orange said:

From someone working in ICU in Victoria:

I have had an interesting 2.5 weeks.

I contracted COVID pneumonia, probably from work. Initially I was floored by lethargy/fatigue – didn’t think too much of it as I work ~80hrs a week. Within a day I was hit with relentless rigors and the doubling down of lethargy so I got swabbed – positive. Groan. Spent the next few days at home becoming progressively more short of breath. Walking 5 metres to the toilet meant 5 minutes trying to catch my breath. My little sat probe was reading numbers in the mid 70s with minimal exertion, high 80s at rest (should be mid to high 90s). Eventually, I figured denial was not just a river in Egypt. I called an ambulance and got to hospital. Got a CXR pretty much on entry and asked to look at it. My heart sank. I had been putting people on life support for the last month with better looking CXRs. My blood work suggested I would not do well (high procalcitonin and d dimer, lymphopaenia). I facetimed my 10 yo daughter wondering when (if?) I might see her again. I ended up in intensive care. Managed to claw my way past a ventilator but I had I caught it first time around, I absolutely would have been on one. Anyway, steroids, remdesivir and some IV broad spectrum antibiotics slowly and steadily turned things around for me.

Currently at home recovering. I have a persistent cough and some mild exertional shortness of breath which seems to be resolving. I genuinely feel like I have cheated death.

OK but why antibiotics?

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

From someone working in ICU in Victoria:

I have had an interesting 2.5 weeks.

I contracted COVID pneumonia, probably from work. Initially I was floored by lethargy/fatigue – didn’t think too much of it as I work ~80hrs a week. Within a day I was hit with relentless rigors and the doubling down of lethargy so I got swabbed – positive. Groan. Spent the next few days at home becoming progressively more short of breath. Walking 5 metres to the toilet meant 5 minutes trying to catch my breath. My little sat probe was reading numbers in the mid 70s with minimal exertion, high 80s at rest (should be mid to high 90s). Eventually, I figured denial was not just a river in Egypt. I called an ambulance and got to hospital. Got a CXR pretty much on entry and asked to look at it. My heart sank. I had been putting people on life support for the last month with better looking CXRs. My blood work suggested I would not do well (high procalcitonin and d dimer, lymphopaenia). I facetimed my 10 yo daughter wondering when (if?) I might see her again. I ended up in intensive care. Managed to claw my way past a ventilator but I had I caught it first time around, I absolutely would have been on one. Anyway, steroids, remdesivir and some IV broad spectrum antibiotics slowly and steadily turned things around for me.

Currently at home recovering. I have a persistent cough and some mild exertional shortness of breath which seems to be resolving. I genuinely feel like I have cheated death.

OK but why antibiotics?

Bacterial pneumonia?

Traces found in Whitsunday sewerage.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly. 2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when. 3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves. 4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

The Spanish Flu ———> Parkinson’s Disease happened to my great aunt. She was quite badly shaky when I met her in 1964.

Shouldn’t we be a little careful here with causation?

I’m only quoting her diagnosis as explained to me in 1964. She had had Spanish Flu during that pandemic and survived.

Dark Orange said:

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

From someone working in ICU in Victoria:

I have had an interesting 2.5 weeks.

I contracted COVID pneumonia, probably from work. Initially I was floored by lethargy/fatigue – didn’t think too much of it as I work ~80hrs a week. Within a day I was hit with relentless rigors and the doubling down of lethargy so I got swabbed – positive. Groan. Spent the next few days at home becoming progressively more short of breath. Walking 5 metres to the toilet meant 5 minutes trying to catch my breath. My little sat probe was reading numbers in the mid 70s with minimal exertion, high 80s at rest (should be mid to high 90s). Eventually, I figured denial was not just a river in Egypt. I called an ambulance and got to hospital. Got a CXR pretty much on entry and asked to look at it. My heart sank. I had been putting people on life support for the last month with better looking CXRs. My blood work suggested I would not do well (high procalcitonin and d dimer, lymphopaenia). I facetimed my 10 yo daughter wondering when (if?) I might see her again. I ended up in intensive care. Managed to claw my way past a ventilator but I had I caught it first time around, I absolutely would have been on one. Anyway, steroids, remdesivir and some IV broad spectrum antibiotics slowly and steadily turned things around for me.

Currently at home recovering. I have a persistent cough and some mild exertional shortness of breath which seems to be resolving. I genuinely feel like I have cheated death.

OK but why antibiotics?

Bacterial pneumonia?

For those wondering what COVID induced pneumonia looks like…
(White and fluffy = bad)

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Sobering thought for the day:

1. In the 1918 epidemic, there were a whole bunch of people who got off really mildly. 2. BUT then, 20-40 years later, there was a mass spike in Parkinson’s disease. And (using the level of record keeping and statistics they had back then, which weren’t TOO bad in the rich countries) they worked out that all the “extra” Parkinson’s disease were from people who’d had a mild case of 1918 flu back when. 3. We know that one of the first symptoms of Covid19 is that you lose your sense of smell/taste, because it attacks the nerves from your olfactory organs. So we know this targets and damages nerves. 4. Therefore, we might be seeing a whole lot of “didn’t hurt me” cases coming to grief by 2050.

The Spanish Flu ———> Parkinson’s Disease happened to my great aunt. She was quite badly shaky when I met her in 1964.

Shouldn’t we be a little careful here with causation?

Yes.

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Ah well I had a covid-19 for symptoms almost certainly caused by a basic rhinovirus, so I’m on 2 to 3 days quozza. Hi de ho.

dv said:

Ah well I had a covid-19 for symptoms almost certainly caused by a basic rhinovirus, so I’m on 2 to 3 days quozza. Hi de ho.

Did you have symptoms beyond those for a cold?

Ian said:

dv said:

Ah well I had a covid-19 for symptoms almost certainly caused by a basic rhinovirus, so I’m on 2 to 3 days quozza. Hi de ho.

Did you have symptoms beyond those for a cold?

Nup. Sore throat, fever, cough. But under those circumstances it is recommended you have a test, these days. I’m meeting a bunch of clients mid Oct and I wouldn’t want a nasty surprise.

dv said:

Ian said:

dv said:

Ah well I had a covid-19 for symptoms almost certainly caused by a basic rhinovirus, so I’m on 2 to 3 days quozza. Hi de ho.

Did you have symptoms beyond those for a cold?

Nup. Sore throat, fever, cough. But under those circumstances it is recommended you have a test, these days. I’m meeting a bunch of clients mid Oct and I wouldn’t want a nasty surprise.

Fever then, ok.

Been thinking, if I had gone for a test every time I’ve had a bit of a sniffle and a cough since March it’d be up close to dozen.

So Tony Abbott was telling porkies in London, when claiming Victoria had the “most severe lockdown tried anywhere in the world outside of Wuhan itself”. How surprising……..not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-01/fact-check-was-victorias-lockdown-most-severe-oustide-wuhan/12690432

Ian said:

dv said:

Ian said:

Did you have symptoms beyond those for a cold?

Nup. Sore throat, fever, cough. But under those circumstances it is recommended you have a test, these days. I’m meeting a bunch of clients mid Oct and I wouldn’t want a nasty surprise.

Fever then, ok.

Been thinking, if I had gone for a test every time I’ve had a bit of a sniffle and a cough since March it’d be up close to dozen.

That’s 12 occasions that potential COVID-19 spread to hundreds of potential contacts could have been identified and traced, so yeah, would have been a good idea.

SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

dv said:

Nup. Sore throat, fever, cough. But under those circumstances it is recommended you have a test, these days. I’m meeting a bunch of clients mid Oct and I wouldn’t want a nasty surprise.

Fever then, ok.

Been thinking, if I had gone for a test every time I’ve had a bit of a sniffle and a cough since March it’d be up close to dozen.

That’s 12 occasions that potential COVID-19 spread to hundreds of potential contacts could have been identified and traced, so yeah, would have been a good idea.

Nah, I don’t buy it. I moniter myself closely each time.. I got me new digital thermometer (with the Chinglish instrustions), got me O ₂ saturation monitor, I live in the bush and have bugger all human interaction esp during the last 6 months.

If everyone with such minor symptoms turned up the hospital for a test every time the place would be overrun and testing resources would be exhausted.

SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

dv said:

Nup. Sore throat, fever, cough. But under those circumstances it is recommended you have a test, these days. I’m meeting a bunch of clients mid Oct and I wouldn’t want a nasty surprise.

Fever then, ok.

Been thinking, if I had gone for a test every time I’ve had a bit of a sniffle and a cough since March it’d be up close to dozen.

That’s 12 occasions that potential COVID-19 spread to hundreds of potential contacts could have been identified and traced, so yeah, would have been a good idea.

Nah, I don’t buy it. I moniter myself closely each time.. I got me new digital thermometer (with the Chinglish instrustions), got me O ₂ saturation monitor, I live in the bush and have bugger all human interaction esp during the last 6 months.

If everyone with such minor symptoms turned up the hospital for a test every time the place would be overrun and testing resources would be exhausted.

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

Fever then, ok.

Been thinking, if I had gone for a test every time I’ve had a bit of a sniffle and a cough since March it’d be up close to dozen.

That’s 12 occasions that potential COVID-19 spread to hundreds of potential contacts could have been identified and traced, so yeah, would have been a good idea.

Nah, I don’t buy it. I moniter myself closely each time.. I got me new digital thermometer (with the Chinglish instrustions), got me O ₂ saturation monitor, I live in the bush and have bugger all human interaction esp during the last 6 months.

If everyone with such minor symptoms turned up the hospital for a test every time the place would be overrun and testing resources would be exhausted.

But it would literally have saved hundreds of lives.

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

That’s 12 occasions that potential COVID-19 spread to hundreds of potential contacts could have been identified and traced, so yeah, would have been a good idea.

Nah, I don’t buy it. I moniter myself closely each time.. I got me new digital thermometer (with the Chinglish instrustions), got me O ₂ saturation monitor, I live in the bush and have bugger all human interaction esp during the last 6 months.

If everyone with such minor symptoms turned up the hospital for a test every time the place would be overrun and testing resources would be exhausted.

But it would literally have saved hundreds of lives.

Well maybe it’s fair — someone who literally hasn’t met anyone for a while and won’t, probably isn’t going to spread much but those are the risks to balance. Heck, we’ve woken up many weeks with dry throat, nothing else, and just seen how it went (and improved) over the day, but then when it got to cough we got some swabs, no COVID-19 detected so far though.

On the other hand now rates are low we still support wider voluntary asymptomatic screening. Sewage screening does have a role in that.

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

That’s 12 occasions that potential COVID-19 spread to hundreds of potential contacts could have been identified and traced, so yeah, would have been a good idea.

Nah, I don’t buy it. I moniter myself closely each time.. I got me new digital thermometer (with the Chinglish instrustions), got me O ₂ saturation monitor, I live in the bush and have bugger all human interaction esp during the last 6 months.

If everyone with such minor symptoms turned up the hospital for a test every time the place would be overrun and testing resources would be exhausted.

But it would literally have saved hundreds of lives.

I don’t think so Jim.

Ian said:

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

Nah, I don’t buy it. I moniter myself closely each time.. I got me new digital thermometer (with the Chinglish instrustions), got me O ₂ saturation monitor, I live in the bush and have bugger all human interaction esp during the last 6 months.

If everyone with such minor symptoms turned up the hospital for a test every time the place would be overrun and testing resources would be exhausted.

But it would literally have saved hundreds of lives.

I don’t think so Jim.

What makes you think that?

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

Dark Orange said:

But it would literally have saved hundreds of lives.

I don’t think so Jim.

What makes you think that?

Well, there would have to be virus in the area to start with. There was one case back in March.

I know.. there’s the incubation period…

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

Dark Orange said:

But it would literally have saved hundreds of lives.

I don’t think so Jim.

What makes you think that?

Some of us don’t need meters.

Ian said:

Dark Orange said:

Ian said:

I don’t think so Jim.

What makes you think that?

Well, there would have to be virus in the area to start with. There was one case back in March.

I know.. there’s the incubation period…

Yes, there are asymptomatic carriers (for various levels of “Asymptomatic”) and incubation periods, but If everyone got tested at the onset of symptoms, then there would far fewer community transmissions. It would not reduce it to zero, but even a 30% reduction is literally a couple of hundred deaths in Victoria alone.

This Is Probably Definitely, Absolutely, Totally Mark McGowan’s Fault

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-victoria-melbourne/12719188

This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic It’s not R.

Tau.Neutrino said:

This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic It’s not R.

Sometimes, the mean is not the message. Meanwhile, if the bar has a person infected with COVID-19, and if it is also poorly ventilated and loud, causing people to speak loudly at close range, almost everyone in the room could potentially be infected—a pattern that’s been observed many times since the pandemic begin, and that is similarly not captured by R. That’s where the dispersion comes in.

noisy bars noisy pubs and clubs

The background noise causes people to talk loudly, thus propagating airborne particles further.

One solution would be to treat the walls with acoustic tiles to reduce echo reverb etc

also acoustic carpets could be considered

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic It’s not R.

Sometimes, the mean is not the message. Meanwhile, if the bar has a person infected with COVID-19, and if it is also poorly ventilated and loud, causing people to speak loudly at close range, almost everyone in the room could potentially be infected—a pattern that’s been observed many times since the pandemic begin, and that is similarly not captured by R. That’s where the dispersion comes in.

noisy bars noisy pubs and clubs

The background noise causes people to talk loudly, thus propagating airborne particles further.

One solution would be to treat the walls with acoustic tiles to reduce echo reverb etc

also acoustic carpets could be considered

and asking people nicely to talk quietly

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic It’s not R.

Sometimes, the mean is not the message. Meanwhile, if the bar has a person infected with COVID-19, and if it is also poorly ventilated and loud, causing people to speak loudly at close range, almost everyone in the room could potentially be infected—a pattern that’s been observed many times since the pandemic begin, and that is similarly not captured by R. That’s where the dispersion comes in.

noisy bars noisy pubs and clubs

The background noise causes people to talk loudly, thus propagating airborne particles further.

One solution would be to treat the walls with acoustic tiles to reduce echo reverb etc

also acoustic carpets could be considered

All music is played at soft piano bar audio level, and also transmitted via wifi so you can listen to it via your phone and headphones as loud as you wish. When you want to converse, you just take the headphones off.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic It’s not R.

Sometimes, the mean is not the message. Meanwhile, if the bar has a person infected with COVID-19, and if it is also poorly ventilated and loud, causing people to speak loudly at close range, almost everyone in the room could potentially be infected—a pattern that’s been observed many times since the pandemic begin, and that is similarly not captured by R. That’s where the dispersion comes in.

noisy bars noisy pubs and clubs

The background noise causes people to talk loudly, thus propagating airborne particles further.

One solution would be to treat the walls with acoustic tiles to reduce echo reverb etc

also acoustic carpets could be considered

and asking people nicely to talk quietly

I wonder to what extent sound waves propagate particles on different air pressure days?

high pressure = longer distance

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic It’s not R.

Sometimes, the mean is not the message. Meanwhile, if the bar has a person infected with COVID-19, and if it is also poorly ventilated and loud, causing people to speak loudly at close range, almost everyone in the room could potentially be infected—a pattern that’s been observed many times since the pandemic begin, and that is similarly not captured by R. That’s where the dispersion comes in.

noisy bars noisy pubs and clubs

The background noise causes people to talk loudly, thus propagating airborne particles further.

One solution would be to treat the walls with acoustic tiles to reduce echo reverb etc

also acoustic carpets could be considered

All music is played at soft piano bar audio level, and also transmitted via wifi so you can listen to it via your phone and headphones as loud as you wish. When you want to converse, you just take the headphones off.

Sounds good.

or loud rooms with more conditions

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Sometimes, the mean is not the message. Meanwhile, if the bar has a person infected with COVID-19, and if it is also poorly ventilated and loud, causing people to speak loudly at close range, almost everyone in the room could potentially be infected—a pattern that’s been observed many times since the pandemic begin, and that is similarly not captured by R. That’s where the dispersion comes in.

noisy bars noisy pubs and clubs

The background noise causes people to talk loudly, thus propagating airborne particles further.

One solution would be to treat the walls with acoustic tiles to reduce echo reverb etc

also acoustic carpets could be considered

All music is played at soft piano bar audio level, and also transmitted via wifi so you can listen to it via your phone and headphones as loud as you wish. When you want to converse, you just take the headphones off.

Sounds good.

or loud rooms with more conditions

Developing masks so that people can talk while wearing them.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

All music is played at soft piano bar audio level, and also transmitted via wifi so you can listen to it via your phone and headphones as loud as you wish. When you want to converse, you just take the headphones off.

Sounds good.

or loud rooms with more conditions

Developing masks so that people can talk while wearing them.

Loud rooms could have floor to ceiling ventilation.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Sounds good.

or loud rooms with more conditions

Developing masks so that people can talk while wearing them.

Loud rooms could have floor to ceiling ventilation.

Maybe studies could be done at looking at clubs with floor to ceiling ventilation, people per cubic meter size of room, air movement etc.

Work out the best mix that’s viable

Looks at other ways.

SCIENCE said:

This Is Probably Definitely, Absolutely, Totally Mark McGowan’s Fault

and Daniel Andrews’s and Annastacia Palaszczuk’s and Michael Gunner’s and Michael Gunner’s fault

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-01/aged-care-royal-commission-coronavirus-richard-colbeck/12716608

The New York Times

10 mins ·
Turkey has acknowledged that it was not making all confirmed coronavirus cases public in its daily announced tally. It was counting only patients showing symptoms.
—-

That will make Moll happy.

sarahs mum said:

The New York Times

10 mins ·
Turkey has acknowledged that it was not making all confirmed coronavirus cases public in its daily announced tally. It was counting only patients showing symptoms.
—-

That will make Moll happy.

we’ve discussed the beautifully smooth curves of theirs at length, and this latest turn while potentially an improvement seems unlikely to explain in full the variance in their numbers

¿serious question time though, at what level of inflation for fresh produce will support fall away for WA government and hard border?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-01/calls-for-national-illegal-worker-amnesty-amid-labour-crisis/12721188

Almost 1 million women across the UK have been unable to have a mammogram since March because breast cancer screening was suspended, the charity Breast Cancer Now said this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/01/nhs-covid-disruption-could-cause-tens-of-thousands-of-deaths-mps-warn

sarahs mum said:

Almost 1 million women across the UK have been unable to have a mammogram since March because breast cancer screening was suspended, the charity Breast Cancer Now said this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/01/nhs-covid-disruption-could-cause-tens-of-thousands-of-deaths-mps-warn

The UK has had at least 42,000 Covid-19 deaths since March. Do people think there’s an unlimited supply of healthcare? Like, if we have a problem we can just open up another can of doctors and tip them out into your local hospital?

Tory governments have raped hundreds of millions of dollars out of the public health system in recent years, and the stupid bastards kept voting for them.

This is death by dumbfuckery.

Want mamograms? Stop voting for arseholes.

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Almost 1 million women across the UK have been unable to have a mammogram since March because breast cancer screening was suspended, the charity Breast Cancer Now said this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/01/nhs-covid-disruption-could-cause-tens-of-thousands-of-deaths-mps-warn

The UK has had at least 42,000 Covid-19 deaths since March. Do people think there’s an unlimited supply of healthcare? Like, if we have a problem we can just open up another can of doctors and tip them out into your local hospital?

Tory governments have raped hundreds of millions of dollars out of the public health system in recent years, and the stupid bastards kept voting for them.

This is death by dumbfuckery.

Want mamograms? Stop voting for arseholes.

I’ve never had a mammogram. I am bad.

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Almost 1 million women across the UK have been unable to have a mammogram since March because breast cancer screening was suspended, the charity Breast Cancer Now said this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/01/nhs-covid-disruption-could-cause-tens-of-thousands-of-deaths-mps-warn

The UK has had at least 42,000 Covid-19 deaths since March. Do people think there’s an unlimited supply of healthcare? Like, if we have a problem we can just open up another can of doctors and tip them out into your local hospital?

Tory governments have raped hundreds of millions of dollars out of the public health system in recent years, and the stupid bastards kept voting for them.

This is death by dumbfuckery.

Want mamograms? Stop voting for arseholes.

Source: The King’s Fund analysis of data from the Spring Budget 2020, Department of Health and Social Care Annual Accounts, and Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses The King’s Fund • ‘Revenue’ refers to day-to-day spending (eg staff salaries). ‘Capital’ refers to investment in, for example, buildings and equipment. Data for 2019/20 and 2020/21 are planned spending. Figures are in real terms at 2019/20 prices, based on OBR deflators from March 2020.

Yep, completely stripped it. It’s a shell of its former self.

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Almost 1 million women across the UK have been unable to have a mammogram since March because breast cancer screening was suspended, the charity Breast Cancer Now said this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/01/nhs-covid-disruption-could-cause-tens-of-thousands-of-deaths-mps-warn

The UK has had at least 42,000 Covid-19 deaths since March. Do people think there’s an unlimited supply of healthcare? Like, if we have a problem we can just open up another can of doctors and tip them out into your local hospital?

Tory governments have raped hundreds of millions of dollars out of the public health system in recent years, and the stupid bastards kept voting for them.

This is death by dumbfuckery.

Want mamograms? Stop voting for arseholes.

I’ve never had a mammogram. I am bad.

I understand the genetic influence is strong.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Almost 1 million women across the UK have been unable to have a mammogram since March because breast cancer screening was suspended, the charity Breast Cancer Now said this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/01/nhs-covid-disruption-could-cause-tens-of-thousands-of-deaths-mps-warn

The UK has had at least 42,000 Covid-19 deaths since March. Do people think there’s an unlimited supply of healthcare? Like, if we have a problem we can just open up another can of doctors and tip them out into your local hospital?

Tory governments have raped hundreds of millions of dollars out of the public health system in recent years, and the stupid bastards kept voting for them.

This is death by dumbfuckery.

Want mamograms? Stop voting for arseholes.

Source: The King’s Fund analysis of data from the Spring Budget 2020, Department of Health and Social Care Annual Accounts, and Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses The King’s Fund • ‘Revenue’ refers to day-to-day spending (eg staff salaries). ‘Capital’ refers to investment in, for example, buildings and equipment. Data for 2019/20 and 2020/21 are planned spending. Figures are in real terms at 2019/20 prices, based on OBR deflators from March 2020.

Yep, completely stripped it. It’s a shell of its former self.

Do you have similar for how that compares to inflation, population increase, other funding streams, and service delivery benchmarks? It seems to me that without those comparisons the graph is fairly useless as an indicator of the state’s capacity to deliver health services.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

The UK has had at least 42,000 Covid-19 deaths since March. Do people think there’s an unlimited supply of healthcare? Like, if we have a problem we can just open up another can of doctors and tip them out into your local hospital?

Tory governments have raped hundreds of millions of dollars out of the public health system in recent years, and the stupid bastards kept voting for them.

This is death by dumbfuckery.

Want mamograms? Stop voting for arseholes.

Source: The King’s Fund analysis of data from the Spring Budget 2020, Department of Health and Social Care Annual Accounts, and Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses The King’s Fund • ‘Revenue’ refers to day-to-day spending (eg staff salaries). ‘Capital’ refers to investment in, for example, buildings and equipment. Data for 2019/20 and 2020/21 are planned spending. Figures are in real terms at 2019/20 prices, based on OBR deflators from March 2020.

Yep, completely stripped it. It’s a shell of its former self.

Do you have similar for how that compares to inflation, population increase, other funding streams, and service delivery benchmarks? It seems to me that without those comparisons the graph is fairly useless as an indicator of the state’s capacity to deliver health services.

Nup, but then again hundreds of millions of dollars won’t even show up as a small deviation on a graph where the y-axis peak is 160 billion pounds.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

The UK has had at least 42,000 Covid-19 deaths since March. Do people think there’s an unlimited supply of healthcare? Like, if we have a problem we can just open up another can of doctors and tip them out into your local hospital?

Tory governments have raped hundreds of millions of dollars out of the public health system in recent years, and the stupid bastards kept voting for them.

This is death by dumbfuckery.

Want mamograms? Stop voting for arseholes.

Source: The King’s Fund analysis of data from the Spring Budget 2020, Department of Health and Social Care Annual Accounts, and Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses The King’s Fund • ‘Revenue’ refers to day-to-day spending (eg staff salaries). ‘Capital’ refers to investment in, for example, buildings and equipment. Data for 2019/20 and 2020/21 are planned spending. Figures are in real terms at 2019/20 prices, based on OBR deflators from March 2020.

Yep, completely stripped it. It’s a shell of its former self.

Do you have similar for how that compares to inflation, population increase, other funding streams, and service delivery benchmarks? It seems to me that without those comparisons the graph is fairly useless as an indicator of the state’s capacity to deliver health services.

More to the point, what we’re talking about here should be familiar to you in the term ‘Surge Capacity’. Not much point in arguing that your response is adequate because it meets normal demand when your surge capacity is zero.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Source: The King’s Fund analysis of data from the Spring Budget 2020, Department of Health and Social Care Annual Accounts, and Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses The King’s Fund • ‘Revenue’ refers to day-to-day spending (eg staff salaries). ‘Capital’ refers to investment in, for example, buildings and equipment. Data for 2019/20 and 2020/21 are planned spending. Figures are in real terms at 2019/20 prices, based on OBR deflators from March 2020.

Yep, completely stripped it. It’s a shell of its former self.

Do you have similar for how that compares to inflation, population increase, other funding streams, and service delivery benchmarks? It seems to me that without those comparisons the graph is fairly useless as an indicator of the state’s capacity to deliver health services.

Nup, but then again hundreds of millions of dollars won’t even show up as a small deviation on a graph where the y-axis peak is 160 billion pounds.

It does when some of those billions of pounds are diverted from capital to recumbent, or operating to depreciation, or they’re only realised through divestment.

Victoria would not have needed to put people into hotels, just for example, had Kennett not sold off our 720-bed infectious diseases hospital as real estate.

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Source: The King’s Fund analysis of data from the Spring Budget 2020, Department of Health and Social Care Annual Accounts, and Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses The King’s Fund • ‘Revenue’ refers to day-to-day spending (eg staff salaries). ‘Capital’ refers to investment in, for example, buildings and equipment. Data for 2019/20 and 2020/21 are planned spending. Figures are in real terms at 2019/20 prices, based on OBR deflators from March 2020.

Yep, completely stripped it. It’s a shell of its former self.

Do you have similar for how that compares to inflation, population increase, other funding streams, and service delivery benchmarks? It seems to me that without those comparisons the graph is fairly useless as an indicator of the state’s capacity to deliver health services.

More to the point, what we’re talking about here should be familiar to you in the term ‘Surge Capacity’. Not much point in arguing that your response is adequate because it meets normal demand when your surge capacity is zero.

Agreed, and under situations like we have now then unfortunately things like mammograms are going to the back of the queue. Exactly the same has happened in Australia and basically every other country in the world, barring a small, select few. Making a political point out of it is rather ridiculous political point scoring by The Gran IMHO.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

Do you have similar for how that compares to inflation, population increase, other funding streams, and service delivery benchmarks? It seems to me that without those comparisons the graph is fairly useless as an indicator of the state’s capacity to deliver health services.

More to the point, what we’re talking about here should be familiar to you in the term ‘Surge Capacity’. Not much point in arguing that your response is adequate because it meets normal demand when your surge capacity is zero.

Agreed, and under situations like we have now then unfortunately things like mammograms are going to the back of the queue. Exactly the same has happened in Australia and basically every other country in the world, barring a small, select few. Making a political point out of it is rather ridiculous political point scoring by The Gran IMHO.

Stuff is going to the end of the queue. And we are adding to future queues with whatever post covid syndrome is.

(Tassie has had a few years of ramping before covid. I do hope they are trying to push through the lists atm.)

Economists Were Right After All: Key To Finding Efficiency And Providing Adequate Healthcare To The Young Is In Lifting The Barriers To Endemic COVID-19

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/R143.pdf
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-42572110

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-02/victorian-government-intrastate-travel-melbourne-ban/12721306

I had the radio on in the car. Mildura wants the mask requirement lifted for their area. Can’t really say I blame them, look at their forecast for today and the next couple of days:

http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/mildura.shtml

The Israelis are really screwing this whole thing up quite badly.

Queensland will reopen its NSW border on November 1. What a coincidence that this is one day after the election!

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/qld-borders-queensland-to-reopen-border-to-nsw-on-november-1/news-story/7fd4e7ff60e81c8fd79e9fafc3cea94a

Trump has test for COVID after aide tests positive.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-02/donald-trump-aide-hope-hicks-positive-for-coronavirus/12725310

The figures for excess deaths for Australia are out now to end of June:

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

buffy said:

The figures for excess deaths for Australia are out now to end of June:

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

Ta, so we don’t actually have any excess deaths this year.
Or the excess deaths number is a negative number.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

The figures for excess deaths for Australia are out now to end of June:

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

Ta, so we don’t actually have any excess deaths this year.
Or the excess deaths number is a negative number.

It’s only to the end of June. It takes time for all the numbers to be collated. But the trend seems to be down. Hand washing is wonderful.

dv said:

Fingers crossed. Again.

Thoughts and prayers.

Neophyte said:

Thoughts and prayers.

ROFL

Won’t make any difference. If it kills him he’ll just claim that’s “fake news”.

LMAOSHIDMTAMSFO!

Bubblecar said:

Won’t make any difference. If it kills him he’ll just claim that’s “fake news”.

He could be shamming it too. He wants to crash the election.

sibeen said:

Neophyte said:

Thoughts and prayers.

ROFL

It will be a fitting end:

_The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored , and unsung._

What do we know about this woman who infected him?
Just how low can the Biden campaign go, if as suspected the woman was…………well you can fill in the dots.
It’s not right.

Peak Warming Man said:

What do we know about this woman who infected him?
Just how low can the Biden campaign go, if as suspected the woman was…………well you can fill in the dots.
It’s not right.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What do we know about this woman who infected him?
Just how low can the Biden campaign go, if as suspected the woman was…………well you can fill in the dots.
It’s not right.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

No worries.

Peak Warming Man said:

What do we know about this woman who infected him?

What makes you think he didn’t infect her?

This was kind of inebitaber. He won’t listen to experts, fkn loonies have his ear.

I don’t have it in me to wish someone dead, but I hope that this will make him a bit circumspect about the disease and that he’ll spend his last four months in office responsibly.

dv said:

… I hope that this will make him a bit circumspect about the disease and that he’ll spend his last four months in office responsibly.

And i hope to win Lotto twice in a row.

The odds would be about the same.

He’ll be right, he’ll be in the good hands of Doctor Phil.

dv said:

couldn’t happen to a better bloke

Still you have to feel sorry for Melania. She touches him one time all year and boom, coronavirus.

dv said:

Still you have to feel sorry for Melania. She touches him one time all year and boom, coronavirus.

there are a lot of reasons why I feel bad for Melania.

It’s so cute that he calls her Flotus, I think it’s a Roman name.

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s so cute that he calls her Flotus, I think it’s a Roman name.

and she calls him Flatus, I love cute couples

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s so cute that he calls her Flotus, I think it’s a Roman name.

That chlamydia i believe.

Hercules rides again.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s so cute that he calls her Flotus, I think it’s a Roman name.

and she calls him Flatus, I love cute couples

giggle

Bubblecar said:

Won’t make any difference. If it kills him he’ll just claim that’s “fake news”.

isn’t the dude already just a soviet deepfake

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s so cute that he calls her Flotus, I think it’s a Roman name.

A lovely couple Flotus & Clotus.

Well I got my test results back, I don’t have covid-19. That was nice and speedy.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s so cute that he calls her Flotus, I think it’s a Roman name.

A lovely couple Flotus & Clotus.

Like POTUS the slack-jawed yokel

dv said:

Well I got my test results back, I don’t have covid-19. That was nice and speedy.

:)

dv said:

Well I got my test results back, I don’t have covid-19. That was nice and speedy.

I’d hate for you to have something in common with Trump.

Plus COVID is a shit.

Divine Angel said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s so cute that he calls her Flotus, I think it’s a Roman name.

A lovely couple Flotus & Clotus.

Like POTUS the slack-jawed yokel

dv said:

Well I got my test results back, I don’t have covid-19. That was nice and speedy.

Well that’s very positively in another sense. You tested positively toward negative, right? So you tested perfectly this morning. Meaning you tested negative. … But that’s a way of saying it: positively toward the negative.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Well I got my test results back, I don’t have covid-19. That was nice and speedy.

Well that’s very positively in another sense. You tested positively toward negative, right? So you tested perfectly this morning. Meaning you tested negative. … But that’s a way of saying it: positively toward the negative.

You should be a particle physicist.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Well I got my test results back, I don’t have covid-19. That was nice and speedy.

Well that’s very positively in another sense. You tested positively toward negative, right? So you tested perfectly this morning. Meaning you tested negative. … But that’s a way of saying it: positively toward the negative.

In other news, Trump’s IQ test also came back negative.

dv said:

Well I got my test results back, I don’t have covid-19. That was nice and speedy.

:)

Yay!

Carry on.

dv said:

See what happens when I go off and read and nap in the warmth of the afternoon.

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He certainly won’t be listening if he gets put into an induced coma for a ventilator, should it come to that.

Michael V said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He certainly won’t be listening if he gets put into an induced coma for a ventilator, should it come to that.

In his words, “We’ll see what happens”.

I hope they try bleach up the arse.

Michael V said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He certainly won’t be listening if he gets put into an induced coma for a ventilator, should it come to that.

He might wake up in jail.

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

The piece that DA linked said he has a “common heart complaint”, and he is on Rosuvastatin. So he has co morbidities.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He certainly won’t be listening if he gets put into an induced coma for a ventilator, should it come to that.

He might wake up in jail.

There’s a very real possibility.

buffy said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

The piece that DA linked said he has a “common heart complaint”, and he is on Rosuvastatin. So he has co morbidities.

Which appears to be the dicey factor.

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He’s pretty fit, plays 18 holes of golf regularly, doesn’t smoke or drink and has no underlying health issues.
That’s why I put him a fifty to one in making it to Christmas even though he’s got the Covid.

buffy said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

The piece that DA linked said he has a “common heart complaint”, and he is on Rosuvastatin. So he has co morbidities.

I don’t have a heart complaint and I’m on Rosuvastatin. It’s an extremely common anti-cholesterol medication for people over 50.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He’s pretty fit, plays 18 holes of golf regularly, doesn’t smoke or drink and has no underlying health issues.
That’s why I put him a fifty to one in making it to Christmas even though he’s got the Covid.

Eats hamburgers and coke.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

The piece that DA linked said he has a “common heart complaint”, and he is on Rosuvastatin. So he has co morbidities.

I don’t have a heart complaint and I’m on Rosuvastatin. It’s an extremely common anti-cholesterol medication for people over 50.

Yes,but it means he has two co morbidities. A common heart complaint” and a tendency to high blood cholesterol levels.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

The piece that DA linked said he has a “common heart complaint”, and he is on Rosuvastatin. So he has co morbidities.

I don’t have a heart complaint and I’m on Rosuvastatin. It’s an extremely common anti-cholesterol medication for people over 50.

If you have cholesterol that needs treating, you do have a cardiovascular problem.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He’s pretty fit, plays 18 holes of golf regularly, doesn’t smoke or drink and has no underlying health issues.
That’s why I put him a fifty to one in making it to Christmas even though he’s got the Covid.

He does have underlying health issues, he’s not pretty fit, playing 18 rounds of golf means he can successfully ride in a cart while someone else drives. He’s literally said that he thinks exercise drains your batteries and shortens your life.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He’s pretty fit, plays 18 holes of golf regularly, doesn’t smoke or drink and has no underlying health issues.
That’s why I put him a fifty to one in making it to Christmas even though he’s got the Covid.

Eats hamburgers and coke.

Bread meat and salad is good for you, as for popular cola, well you need to have a vice to hinge off.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He certainly won’t be listening if he gets put into an induced coma for a ventilator, should it come to that.

He might wake up in jail.

Dead.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He’s pretty fit, plays 18 holes of golf regularly, doesn’t smoke or drink and has no underlying health issues.
That’s why I put him a fifty to one in making it to Christmas even though he’s got the Covid.

Eats hamburgers and coke.

Bread meat and salad is good for you, as for popular cola, well you need to have a vice to hinge off.

Helps with the co morbidities.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

For an obese white man in the USA at the age of 74, the mortality of Covid-19 appears to be in the range of 6 to 10%. It’s a pretty big chunk. Still, we’d assume he’d have better access to high quality health care than most Americans. On the other hand, he’s less likely to listen to doctor’s orders.

He’s pretty fit, plays 18 holes of golf regularly, doesn’t smoke or drink and has no underlying health issues.
That’s why I put him a fifty to one in making it to Christmas even though he’s got the Covid.

He does have underlying health issues, he’s not pretty fit, playing 18 rounds of golf means he can successfully ride in a cart while someone else drives. He’s literally said that he thinks exercise drains your batteries and shortens your life.

soooo he just putts around?

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

He certainly won’t be listening if he gets put into an induced coma for a ventilator, should it come to that.

He might wake up in jail.

Dead.

You can be tried in absentia but I don’t know about in dementia

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He’s pretty fit, plays 18 holes of golf regularly, doesn’t smoke or drink and has no underlying health issues.
That’s why I put him a fifty to one in making it to Christmas even though he’s got the Covid.

He does have underlying health issues, he’s not pretty fit, playing 18 rounds of golf means he can successfully ride in a cart while someone else drives. He’s literally said that he thinks exercise drains your batteries and shortens your life.

soooo he just putts around?

Seems you have correctness at the heart of that pun.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

The piece that DA linked said he has a “common heart complaint”, and he is on Rosuvastatin. So he has co morbidities.

I don’t have a heart complaint and I’m on Rosuvastatin. It’s an extremely common anti-cholesterol medication for people over 50.

If you have cholesterol that needs treating, you do have a cardiovascular problem.

But the statins keep cholesterol levels under control.

Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t have a heart complaint and I’m on Rosuvastatin. It’s an extremely common anti-cholesterol medication for people over 50.

If you have cholesterol that needs treating, you do have a cardiovascular problem.

But the statins keep cholesterol levels under control.

OK.

….

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trump-tests-positive-for-covid19-doomsday-planes-mobilise-in-washington/news-story/e295d2a0f6044aafdd049f2e444163e5

“Two US Navy E-6B Mercury nuclear war command posts were observed in flight this afternoon, one on each coast of the United States. They were initiating the “Take Charge and Move Out” (TACAMO) defence protocol – essentially dispersing the command and communications facilities needed to control the US nuclear arsenal.
These aircraft are activated by the Pentagon when it is deemed necessary to communicate with the US Navy’s secretive nuclear missile submarines, stealth bombers and missile silos.
The move underscores the potential severity of the situation.”

Ooooooooo

Divine Angel said:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trump-tests-positive-for-covid19-doomsday-planes-mobilise-in-washington/news-story/e295d2a0f6044aafdd049f2e444163e5

“Two US Navy E-6B Mercury nuclear war command posts were observed in flight this afternoon, one on each coast of the United States. They were initiating the “Take Charge and Move Out” (TACAMO) defence protocol – essentially dispersing the command and communications facilities needed to control the US nuclear arsenal.
These aircraft are activated by the Pentagon when it is deemed necessary to communicate with the US Navy’s secretive nuclear missile submarines, stealth bombers and missile silos.
The move underscores the potential severity of the situation.”

Ooooooooo

And they were flying yesterday, and the day before that and the day before that…

It is very, very common.

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trump-tests-positive-for-covid19-doomsday-planes-mobilise-in-washington/news-story/e295d2a0f6044aafdd049f2e444163e5

“Two US Navy E-6B Mercury nuclear war command posts were observed in flight this afternoon, one on each coast of the United States. They were initiating the “Take Charge and Move Out” (TACAMO) defence protocol – essentially dispersing the command and communications facilities needed to control the US nuclear arsenal.
These aircraft are activated by the Pentagon when it is deemed necessary to communicate with the US Navy’s secretive nuclear missile submarines, stealth bombers and missile silos.
The move underscores the potential severity of the situation.”

Ooooooooo

And they were flying yesterday, and the day before that and the day before that…

It is very, very common.

From The Gran’s website:

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trump-tests-positive-for-covid19-doomsday-planes-mobilise-in-washington/news-story/e295d2a0f6044aafdd049f2e444163e5

“Two US Navy E-6B Mercury nuclear war command posts were observed in flight this afternoon, one on each coast of the United States. They were initiating the “Take Charge and Move Out” (TACAMO) defence protocol – essentially dispersing the command and communications facilities needed to control the US nuclear arsenal.
These aircraft are activated by the Pentagon when it is deemed necessary to communicate with the US Navy’s secretive nuclear missile submarines, stealth bombers and missile silos.
The move underscores the potential severity of the situation.”

Ooooooooo

And they were flying yesterday, and the day before that and the day before that…

It is very, very common.

Yes, that is what aircraft are built for.

WHAT?!? The Murdoch press exaggerating things?? Geez, what’s the world coming to?

/s obvs

Divine Angel said:

WHAT?!? The Murdoch press exaggerating things?? Geez, what’s the world coming to?

/s obvs

I’m like the bloody Bloomberg service for this forum. How come he’s a billionaire and I’m not. It’s not fair.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trump-tests-positive-for-covid19-doomsday-planes-mobilise-in-washington/news-story/e295d2a0f6044aafdd049f2e444163e5

“Two US Navy E-6B Mercury nuclear war command posts were observed in flight this afternoon, one on each coast of the United States. They were initiating the “Take Charge and Move Out” (TACAMO) defence protocol – essentially dispersing the command and communications facilities needed to control the US nuclear arsenal.
These aircraft are activated by the Pentagon when it is deemed necessary to communicate with the US Navy’s secretive nuclear missile submarines, stealth bombers and missile silos.
The move underscores the potential severity of the situation.”

Ooooooooo

And they were flying yesterday, and the day before that and the day before that…

It is very, very common.

Yes, that is what aircraft are built for.

AFAIK, the US still keeps an E-4 ‘Looking Glass’ airborne command post aloft 24 hours a day, every day.

2 people known to me personally in Indonesia have had positive Covid-19 tests. Additionally, 4 other people immediately connected to people known to me have had positive test. 2 of these have now died. I’ve known Dita for a while but I’ve only met her husband once, they both came down with it three weeks ago: he’s died now and she’s been released from hospital. She’s obv upset but it doesn’t help that she can’t have a proper funeral: all the covid-19 decedents are put into a high density grave in Pondok Ranggon without family services, with no provision for later reburial, which seems a bit over the top for me.

I’m still a bit sus about the numbers. Some of the people we know in Indo are connected to the medical industry so it makes sense that the incidence among people known to me would be higher than average but still…

dv said:

2 people known to me personally in Indonesia have had positive Covid-19 tests. Additionally, 4 other people immediately connected to people known to me have had positive test. 2 of these have now died. I’ve known Dita for a while but I’ve only met her husband once, they both came down with it three weeks ago: he’s died now and she’s been released from hospital. She’s obv upset but it doesn’t help that she can’t have a proper funeral: all the covid-19 decedents are put into a high density grave in Pondok Ranggon without family services, with no provision for later reburial, which seems a bit over the top for me.

I’m still a bit sus about the numbers. Some of the people we know in Indo are connected to the medical industry so it makes sense that the incidence among people known to me would be higher than average but still…

:(
Condolences to you and yours.

Sometimes the world seems distant to Tasmania.

dv said:

2 people known to me personally in Indonesia have had positive Covid-19 tests. Additionally, 4 other people immediately connected to people known to me have had positive test. 2 of these have now died. I’ve known Dita for a while but I’ve only met her husband once, they both came down with it three weeks ago: he’s died now and she’s been released from hospital. She’s obv upset but it doesn’t help that she can’t have a proper funeral: all the covid-19 decedents are put into a high density grave in Pondok Ranggon without family services, with no provision for later reburial, which seems a bit over the top for me.

I’m still a bit sus about the numbers. Some of the people we know in Indo are connected to the medical industry so it makes sense that the incidence among people known to me would be higher than average but still…

Damn :(

dv said:

2 people known to me personally in Indonesia have had positive Covid-19 tests. Additionally, 4 other people immediately connected to people known to me have had positive test. 2 of these have now died. I’ve known Dita for a while but I’ve only met her husband once, they both came down with it three weeks ago: he’s died now and she’s been released from hospital. She’s obv upset but it doesn’t help that she can’t have a proper funeral: all the covid-19 decedents are put into a high density grave in Pondok Ranggon without family services, with no provision for later reburial, which seems a bit over the top for me.

I’m still a bit sus about the numbers. Some of the people we know in Indo are connected to the medical industry so it makes sense that the incidence among people known to me would be higher than average but still…

:(

I guess it really hits home when it is someone you know.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

2 people known to me personally in Indonesia have had positive Covid-19 tests. Additionally, 4 other people immediately connected to people known to me have had positive test. 2 of these have now died. I’ve known Dita for a while but I’ve only met her husband once, they both came down with it three weeks ago: he’s died now and she’s been released from hospital. She’s obv upset but it doesn’t help that she can’t have a proper funeral: all the covid-19 decedents are put into a high density grave in Pondok Ranggon without family services, with no provision for later reburial, which seems a bit over the top for me.

I’m still a bit sus about the numbers. Some of the people we know in Indo are connected to the medical industry so it makes sense that the incidence among people known to me would be higher than average but still…

:(
Condolences to you and yours.

Sometimes the world seems distant to Tasmania.

There’s going to be big bronzed ruddy cheeked Queenslanders pouring in soon.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

2 people known to me personally in Indonesia have had positive Covid-19 tests. Additionally, 4 other people immediately connected to people known to me have had positive test. 2 of these have now died. I’ve known Dita for a while but I’ve only met her husband once, they both came down with it three weeks ago: he’s died now and she’s been released from hospital. She’s obv upset but it doesn’t help that she can’t have a proper funeral: all the covid-19 decedents are put into a high density grave in Pondok Ranggon without family services, with no provision for later reburial, which seems a bit over the top for me.

I’m still a bit sus about the numbers. Some of the people we know in Indo are connected to the medical industry so it makes sense that the incidence among people known to me would be higher than average but still…

:(
Condolences to you and yours.

Sometimes the world seems distant to Tasmania.

Neither of the people who died were friends of mine: they’re family members of friends (one husband, one father).
I’m just … puzzled. I don’t have that many friends in Indonesia, and even if you allow that each of them has say 10 immediate family members (parents, spouses, brothers, sisters, offspring), it’s still a good % of that broader group that has been + or died, given that officially only one in a thousand people has tested positive in Indonesia, and only one in 30000 odd has died.

Given the confidence with which Dr. Norm declared that if Trump was infectious during the debacle, everyone in the room now has it – If Biden or anyone else there tests negative, might we assume that Trump is also negative?

Rule 303 said:

Given the confidence with which Dr. Norm declared that if Trump was infectious during the debacle, everyone in the room now has it – If Biden or anyone else there tests negative, might we assume that Trump is also negative?

WTF is Dr Norm?

Rule 303 said:

Given the confidence with which Dr. Norm declared that if Trump was infectious during the debacle, everyone in the room now has it – If Biden or anyone else there tests negative, might we assume that Trump is also negative?

Um … we already know Trump is positive

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Given the confidence with which Dr. Norm declared that if Trump was infectious during the debacle, everyone in the room now has it – If Biden or anyone else there tests negative, might we assume that Trump is also negative?

WTF is Dr Norm?

Do you even ABC?

Dr Norman Swan. Presenter of Science for ABC.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Given the confidence with which Dr. Norm declared that if Trump was infectious during the debacle, everyone in the room now has it – If Biden or anyone else there tests negative, might we assume that Trump is also negative?

Um … we already know Trump is positive

Many people believe that, like everything else that comes out of his mouth, is probably bullshit.

Are you convinced that he’s a mendacious dirtbag about absolutely everything, but telling the truth about this?

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Given the confidence with which Dr. Norm declared that if Trump was infectious during the debacle, everyone in the room now has it – If Biden or anyone else there tests negative, might we assume that Trump is also negative?

Um … we already know Trump is positive

Many people believe that, like everything else that comes out of his mouth, is probably bullshit.

Are you convinced that he’s a mendacious dirtbag about absolutely everything, but telling the truth about this?

I believe his naval doctor.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Given the confidence with which Dr. Norm declared that if Trump was infectious during the debacle, everyone in the room now has it – If Biden or anyone else there tests negative, might we assume that Trump is also negative?

Um … we already know Trump is positive

Many people believe that, like everything else that comes out of his mouth, is probably bullshit.

Are you convinced that he’s a mendacious dirtbag about absolutely everything, but telling the truth about this?

I mean … I suppose there is no limit to what he would lie about, but if he were lying about this, you’d think it would be found out almost immediately. It’s not as though he is doing his tests anonymously online. And what would it benefit him to lie about this?
It’s not impossible he’s lying but it would certainly be weird.

>Shrugs<

There is nothing I would consider below him.

How Safe Was Debate In Light Of Trump’s Diagnosis? | Morning Joe | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likwlhfk3rM

sarahs mum said:

How Safe Was Debate In Light Of Trump’s Diagnosis? | Morning Joe | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likwlhfk3rM

I still burst out laughing every time I see Joe and Mika on a split screen.

sarahs mum said:

How Safe Was Debate In Light Of Trump’s Diagnosis? | Morning Joe | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likwlhfk3rM

Tiffany’s hair extensions are so tacky.

sarahs mum said:

How Safe Was Debate In Light Of Trump’s Diagnosis? | Morning Joe | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likwlhfk3rM

Obviously, the Cleveland Clinic, being one of the premier medical clinics on the planet…”

>Stops watching<

Is there no end to the mindless fucking hubris?

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

How Safe Was Debate In Light Of Trump’s Diagnosis? | Morning Joe | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likwlhfk3rM

Obviously, the Cleveland Clinic, being one of the premier medical clinics on the planet…”

>Stops watching<

Is there no end to the mindless fucking hubris?

19 times greater risk. Not about 20 times. 19 precisely

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/drum

Latest episode: 05:57 – 08:00

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

How Safe Was Debate In Light Of Trump’s Diagnosis? | Morning Joe | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likwlhfk3rM

Obviously, the Cleveland Clinic, being one of the premier medical clinics on the planet…”

>Stops watching<

Is there no end to the mindless fucking hubris?

Yes, Cleveland is only famous for three things – 1) Rock’n‘Roll Hall Of Fame, 2) river catching fire back in the 70s, 3) home of Harvey Pekar.

BLM protests, riots are excepted from any fines or restrictions along with anything “cultural”.

wookiemeister said:

BLM protests, riots are excepted from any fines or restrictions along with anything “cultural”.

they should get free Business Class travel on all US Shinkansen trains too for journeys of less than 200 km.

wookiemeister said:

BLM protests, riots are excepted from any fines or restrictions along with anything “cultural”.

It’s the fucking Albanians, Wook. They fuck it up for everyone.

(If you haven’t already seen ‘Aunt Julia and the Scriptwriter’, you might not get the ref – So go watch it)

From the Gran:

Scotland has recorded a further 775 cases over past 24 hours, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed. This takes the total number of positive cases in Scotland to 30,687.

Here is a breakdown of new cases:

NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde: 324
NHS Lothian: 164
NHS Lanarkshire: 102
The remaining cases are spread another nine of Scotland’s 14 health boards.

Four people have died after testing positive for the virus in the past 24 hours, taking the total to 2,526 deaths in Scotland.

Doesn’t look like the scots have been very canny about this.

sibeen said:

From the Gran:

Scotland has recorded a further 775 cases over past 24 hours, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed. This takes the total number of positive cases in Scotland to 30,687.

Here is a breakdown of new cases:

NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde: 324
NHS Lothian: 164
NHS Lanarkshire: 102
The remaining cases are spread another nine of Scotland’s 14 health boards.

Four people have died after testing positive for the virus in the past 24 hours, taking the total to 2,526 deaths in Scotland.

Doesn’t look like the scots have been very canny about this.

That’s a spread.

You got the rest of the uk data there?

sibeen said:

From the Gran:

Scotland has recorded a further 775 cases over past 24 hours, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed. This takes the total number of positive cases in Scotland to 30,687.

Here is a breakdown of new cases:

NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde: 324
NHS Lothian: 164
NHS Lanarkshire: 102
The remaining cases are spread another nine of Scotland’s 14 health boards.

Four people have died after testing positive for the virus in the past 24 hours, taking the total to 2,526 deaths in Scotland.

Doesn’t look like the scots have been very canny about this.

I think part of the reason we’re so hard on our politicians and cops and hospitals is our profound ignorance of the rest of the world. It’s rare to find anybody (in my normal circle of family/friends) who has the slightest clue of, or interest in, the international figures.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

From the Gran:

Scotland has recorded a further 775 cases over past 24 hours, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed. This takes the total number of positive cases in Scotland to 30,687.

Here is a breakdown of new cases:

NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde: 324
NHS Lothian: 164
NHS Lanarkshire: 102
The remaining cases are spread another nine of Scotland’s 14 health boards.

Four people have died after testing positive for the virus in the past 24 hours, taking the total to 2,526 deaths in Scotland.

Doesn’t look like the scots have been very canny about this.

I think part of the reason we’re so hard on our politicians and cops and hospitals is our profound ignorance of the rest of the world. It’s rare to find anybody (in my normal circle of family/friends) who has the slightest clue of, or interest in, the international figures.

That’s why we come here.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

From the Gran:

Scotland has recorded a further 775 cases over past 24 hours, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed. This takes the total number of positive cases in Scotland to 30,687.

Here is a breakdown of new cases:

NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde: 324
NHS Lothian: 164
NHS Lanarkshire: 102
The remaining cases are spread another nine of Scotland’s 14 health boards.

Four people have died after testing positive for the virus in the past 24 hours, taking the total to 2,526 deaths in Scotland.

Doesn’t look like the scots have been very canny about this.

That’s a spread.

You got the rest of the uk data there?

Oh, they’re below the UK cases per mil, but only just. Should have been easier for them to keep the numbers down.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

From the Gran:

Scotland has recorded a further 775 cases over past 24 hours, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed. This takes the total number of positive cases in Scotland to 30,687.

Here is a breakdown of new cases:

NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde: 324
NHS Lothian: 164
NHS Lanarkshire: 102
The remaining cases are spread another nine of Scotland’s 14 health boards.

Four people have died after testing positive for the virus in the past 24 hours, taking the total to 2,526 deaths in Scotland.

Doesn’t look like the scots have been very canny about this.

That’s a spread.

You got the rest of the uk data there?

Oh, they’re below the UK cases per mil, but only just. Should have been easier for them to keep the numbers down.

Some wanted to shut the order down entirely.

Macbraynes are back in service. All through the first wave nothing got out to the Isles.

Sarah, the Scottish printmaker, had an open studio last weekend. She’s way up in the highlands.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s a spread.

You got the rest of the uk data there?

Oh, they’re below the UK cases per mil, but only just. Should have been easier for them to keep the numbers down.

Some wanted to shut the order down entirely.

Macbraynes are back in service. All through the first wave nothing got out to the Isles.

Sarah, the Scottish printmaker, had an open studio last weekend. She’s way up in the highlands.

They should have shut the border down. Absolutely ridiculous that they didn’t. The world’s busiest airport just to the south and they ignore that. Clueless.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Oh, they’re below the UK cases per mil, but only just. Should have been easier for them to keep the numbers down.

Some wanted to shut the order down entirely.

Macbraynes are back in service. All through the first wave nothing got out to the Isles.

Sarah, the Scottish printmaker, had an open studio last weekend. She’s way up in the highlands.

They should have shut the border down. Absolutely ridiculous that they didn’t. The world’s busiest airport just to the south and they ignore that. Clueless.

London didn’t want the border shut down.

They locked up Glasgow last week didn’t they?

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sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Some wanted to shut the order down entirely.

Macbraynes are back in service. All through the first wave nothing got out to the Isles.

Sarah, the Scottish printmaker, had an open studio last weekend. She’s way up in the highlands.

They should have shut the border down. Absolutely ridiculous that they didn’t. The world’s busiest airport just to the south and they ignore that. Clueless.

London didn’t want the border shut down.

So what. SNP in power.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

They should have shut the border down. Absolutely ridiculous that they didn’t. The world’s busiest airport just to the south and they ignore that. Clueless.

London didn’t want the border shut down.

So what. SNP in power.

I keep seeing stuff from friends overseas that makes me go “Wait, what? Are you guys still allowed to….?” and “Ugh, you’re going to Spain for the weekend? Really?”

In other news, incredulity does not seem to be effective in reducing movement of populations who are not restricted by government regulation.

buffy said:

dv said:

See what happens when I go off and read and nap in the warmth of the afternoon.

Is this an accident or deliberate?

It could be deliberate. Not easy to decide.

This isn’t the first time that the US Pres has been caught by a pandemic. Franklin D Roosevelt got hit by the Spanish Flu in 1918, he needed to be carried off hist cruise ship to hospital on a stretcher.

Coronavirus deaths rise above a million in ‘agonizing’ global milestone

More than 5,400 people are dying around the world every 24 hours, according to Reuters calculations based on September averages, overwhelming funeral businesses and cemeteries.

That equates to about 226 people an hour, or one person every 16 seconds. In the time it takes to watch a 90-minute soccer match, 340 people die on average.

I wonder if anybody has put an estimate on how much the human population will contract during this pandemic?

monkey skipper said:

I wonder if anybody has put an estimate on how much the human population will contract during this pandemic?

Not by enough.

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

I wonder if anybody has put an estimate on how much the human population will contract during this pandemic?

Not by enough.

It’s not going to contract during this pandemic. It’s shaving about 3% off the population growth rate.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

I wonder if anybody has put an estimate on how much the human population will contract during this pandemic?

Not by enough.

It’s not going to contract during this pandemic. It’s shaving about 3% off the population growth rate.

The Australian Government could introduce an amnesty for illegal workers to come forward without fear of being deported, with Agriculture Minister David Littleproud saying a decision on the idea could be made within weeks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-03/worker-amnesty-considered-amid-coronavirus/12727220

monkey skipper said:

I wonder if anybody has put an estimate on how much the human population will contract during this pandemic?

Morning all.
With all the lockdowns the population might rise. You can only stream so many movies.

Tamb said:

monkey skipper said:

I wonder if anybody has put an estimate on how much the human population will contract during this pandemic?

Morning all.
With all the lockdowns the population might rise. You can only stream so many movies.

Seems to be having the opposite effect so far. Birth rates are down.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

monkey skipper said:

I wonder if anybody has put an estimate on how much the human population will contract during this pandemic?

Morning all.
With all the lockdowns the population might rise. You can only stream so many movies.

Seems to be having the opposite effect so far. Birth rates are down.

Considering it didn’t hit Australia until early March, I would say we have another 2 months before we know the true effect.

Dark Orange said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Morning all.
With all the lockdowns the population might rise. You can only stream so many movies.

Seems to be having the opposite effect so far. Birth rates are down.

Considering it didn’t hit Australia until early March, I would say we have another 2 months before we know the true effect.

Yeah I’m, not sure how they’re coming to these conclusions.

I was thinking while Bruna and I were out walking…some of Trump’s followers are going to have a terrible dissonance going now. This virus is fake, doesn’t exist. How can he have it?

buffy said:

I was thinking while Bruna and I were out walking…some of Trump’s followers are going to have a terrible dissonance going now. This virus is fake, doesn’t exist. How can he have it?

It is all fake news. ;)
Turn it off and go mowing. ;)

buffy said:

I was thinking while Bruna and I were out walking…some of Trump’s followers are going to have a terrible dissonance going now. This virus is fake, doesn’t exist. How can he have it?

Dissonance doesn’t seem to bother them much. Contradictions just to go to show how devious the conspiracies really are.

buffy said:

I was thinking while Bruna and I were out walking…some of Trump’s followers are going to have a terrible dissonance going now. This virus is fake, doesn’t exist. How can he have it?

They’ll be telling each other that ‘Trump has a cunning plan…’

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

I was also thinking his minders are going to have one hell of a time keeping the kid inside. When he’s bored. There may be even more tweets than usual.

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

Excitement.

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

Excitement.

Told you Joe was just biden his time.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

Excitement.

Told you Joe was just biden his time.

sadly, I’ll have to give you points for that.

buffy said:

I was also thinking his minders are going to have one hell of a time keeping the kid inside. When he’s bored. There may be even more tweets than usual.

Tweets while on meds. adds popcorn to shopping list

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Excitement.

Told you Joe was just biden his time.

sadly, I’ll have to give you points for that.

He still might get trumped.

The hospital has a Presidential Suite???

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-03/donald-trump-coronavirus-hospital-treated-experimental-drug/12728390

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Told you Joe was just biden his time.

sadly, I’ll have to give you points for that.

He still might get trumped.

Oh dear, you stealing my bank of points.

Divine Angel said:

The hospital has a Presidential Suite???

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-03/donald-trump-coronavirus-hospital-treated-experimental-drug/12728390

It’s official designation is now “Hospital One”.

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

Experimental drug I think.

Divine Angel said:

The hospital has a Presidential Suite???

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-03/donald-trump-coronavirus-hospital-treated-experimental-drug/12728390

It’s probably the go-to hospital for when the president is ill.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

The hospital has a Presidential Suite???

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-03/donald-trump-coronavirus-hospital-treated-experimental-drug/12728390

It’s probably the go-to hospital for when the president is ill.

It would be in the SOP.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

Experimental drug I think.

(It’s just bleach and nano-UV lights)

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

Experimental drug I think.

That’s a a euphemism for “life-saving drugs that are being held back unnecessarily so as to murder everyone”.

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

Experimental drug I think.

That’s a a euphemism for “life-saving drugs that are being held back unnecessarily so as to murder everyone”.

Oh a Putinism

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

Experimental drug I think.

It is a mix of things including manufactured antibodies.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

Experimental drug I think.

It is a mix of things including manufactured antibodies.

The President’s physician Sean Conley said Mr Trump “remains fatigued but in good spirits” after being treated with an experimental antibody cocktail for COVID-19.

Dr Conley said in a statement that the 74-year-old President received an intravenous dose of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals’ dual antibody and was also taking zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin and aspirin.

roughbarked said:

The President’s physician Sean Conley said Mr Trump “remains fatigued but in good spirits” after being treated with an experimental antibody cocktail for COVID-19.

Dr Conley said in a statement that the 74-year-old President received an intravenous dose of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals’ dual antibody and was also taking zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin and aspirin.

I bet he’s hoping that it gives him super powers.

I thought he was taking Hydroxychloroquine…

Arts said:

I thought he was taking Hydroxychloroquine…

Unfortunately not injecting enough bleach.

Arts said:

I thought he was taking Hydroxychloroquine…

He was a while back but not lately.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

I thought he was taking Hydroxychloroquine…

Unfortunately not injecting enough bleach.

Found out it was made in China.

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Oh great. He approves anti-Covid drugs for himself, but not for public release.

:-(

Experimental drug I think.

That’s a a euphemism for “life-saving drugs that are being held back unnecessarily so as to murder everyone”.

Moll knows better than the experts, regardless of the topic at hand.

Bubblecar said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

Experimental drug I think.

That’s a a euphemism for “life-saving drugs that are being held back unnecessarily so as to murder everyone”.

Moll knows better than the experts, regardless of the topic at hand.

Don’t we all?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Arts said:

I thought he was taking Hydroxychloroquine…

He was a while back but not lately.

Why did he stop?

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Arts said:

I thought he was taking Hydroxychloroquine…

He was a while back but not lately.

Why did he stop?

Dunno.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

He was a while back but not lately.

Why did he stop?

Dunno.

Probably an attention span thing. Probably forgot how good it was. It will all be new again for him next time someone mentions it. The enthusiasm will be no less than the first/second/third….time.

(Can you tell I worked with dementia people?)

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

He was a while back but not lately.

Why did he stop?

Dunno.

Putin told him to stop.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Why did he stop?

Dunno.

Probably an attention span thing. Probably forgot how good it was. It will all be new again for him next time someone mentions it. The enthusiasm will be no less than the first/second/third….time.

(Can you tell I worked with dementia people?)

My Mum was like that.
We got her Fox Sport. According to her there were no repeats… ever!

Stand by, Nancy

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

dv said:

See what happens when I go off and read and nap in the warmth of the afternoon.

Is this an accident or deliberate?

It could be deliberate. Not easy to decide.

This isn’t the first time that the US Pres has been caught by a pandemic. Franklin D Roosevelt got hit by the Spanish Flu in 1918, he needed to be carried off hist cruise ship to hospital on a stretcher.

remember how Kim Jong Un died months ago and is now just a series of body doubles keeping up the façade, well

dv said:

Stand by, Nancy

Roulette Players?

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

It was literally 12 hours ago that his doctor reported he was “well”, and then a few hours ago it was “mild symptoms”, and now he’s hospitalised.

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

See what happens when I go off and read and nap in the warmth of the afternoon.

Is this an accident or deliberate?

It could be deliberate. Not easy to decide.

This isn’t the first time that the US Pres has been caught by a pandemic. Franklin D Roosevelt got hit by the Spanish Flu in 1918, he needed to be carried off hist cruise ship to hospital on a stretcher.

remember how Kim Jong Un died months ago and is now just a series of body doubles keeping up the façade, well

If they were all wearing masks…

dv said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Breaking News: Trump is in hospital being treated with an experimental drug in his fight against COVID.

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

It was literally 12 hours ago that his doctor reported he was “well”, and then a few hours ago it was “mild symptoms”, and now he’s hospitalised.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is a bit of a hypochondriac.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

mollwollfumble said:

That’s a a euphemism for “life-saving drugs that are being held back unnecessarily so as to murder everyone”.

Moll knows better than the experts, regardless of the topic at hand.

Don’t we all?

nah we are the experts

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Moll knows better than the experts, regardless of the topic at hand.

Don’t we all?

nah we are the experts

I, and Sgt Schultz, know nothing.

The head of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel, and Utah Senator Mike Lee have tested positive for covid-19.

I’ll throw it in here then:
Kellyanne Conway has tested positive for Covid-19, says symptoms are ‘mild’

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

buffy said:

I actually checked that to make sure you weren’t just doing a Forum Funny.

:)

It was literally 12 hours ago that his doctor reported he was “well”, and then a few hours ago it was “mild symptoms”, and now he’s hospitalised.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is a bit of a hypochondriac.

A bit?!

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

It was literally 12 hours ago that his doctor reported he was “well”, and then a few hours ago it was “mild symptoms”, and now he’s hospitalised.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is a bit of a hypochondriac.

A bit?!

Does anyone else find the obsessive handwashing (although this is only what we have been told) and the anti mask wearing to be a strange combination?

dv said:

The head of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel, and Utah Senator Mike Lee have tested positive for covid-19.

I totally missed the Ronna has the Rona joke

dv said:

dv said:

The head of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel, and Utah Senator Mike Lee have tested positive for covid-19.

I totally missed the Ronna has the Rona joke

don’t worry you can just take the Mike

dv said:

dv said:

The head of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel, and Utah Senator Mike Lee have tested positive for covid-19.

I totally missed the Ronna has the Rona joke

She could ronna but she couldn’t hide.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-brett-sutton-issues-stern-warning-to-people-packed-on-st-kilda-beach/news-story/3a1065413ceb1dfd80d30934d6179047

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-brett-sutton-issues-stern-warning-to-people-packed-on-st-kilda-beach/news-story/3a1065413ceb1dfd80d30934d6179047

Never understood the appeal of a crowded beach anyway.

Best beaches are the ones you have to yourself.

Bubblecar said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-brett-sutton-issues-stern-warning-to-people-packed-on-st-kilda-beach/news-story/3a1065413ceb1dfd80d30934d6179047

Never understood the appeal of a crowded beach anyway.

Best beaches are the ones you have to yourself.

And preferably on a wild and windy day. I can do without the driving rain though.

They have DJT under a course of Remdesivir. This paper on the topic was published literally a few hours ago.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32021-3/fulltext

One interesting statistical quirk is that the relative difference of mortality with age is lower in the presence of comorbidities because most elderly people have some of the comorbidities.

e.g. the mortality rate among general 80 year olds might be 10 times that of general 40 year olds (I’m just making these numbers up to illustrate the point, don’t @ me)

But the mortality rate among 80 years old with a heart condition might only be 2 times that of general 40 year olds with a heart condition, because so many 80 year olds do have a heart condition that including “has a heart condition” doesn’t bump up the mortality stats much for 80 year old.

dv said:

They have DJT under a course of Remdesivir. This paper on the topic was published literally a few hours ago.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32021-3/fulltext

those bastards, hiding the facts

captain_spalding said:

Yeah but… is anyone surprised still?

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah but… is anyone surprised still?

No-one…except maybe a lot of Americans. But, they’ll find some way to justify it to themselves.

captain_spalding said:

In this as in all other things.

Seppos must be as thick as shit if they didn’t realise that five years ago.

List of US politicians with coronavirus

How The Coronavirus Has Affected Individual Members Of Congress

Tau.Neutrino said:

List of US politicians with coronavirus

How The Coronavirus Has Affected Individual Members Of Congress

Kind of like watching Monty Python’s sketch of people falling past the window.