The Coronavirus Sep 29 to Oct 5 thread is past it’s use-by date.
Another article on the Neanderthal gene link to severe cases of COVID-19:
https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-coronavirus-has-been-linked-to-neanderthal-genes-from-60-000-years-ago
Original article in Nature, for those that have a subscription.
Michael V said:
The Coronavirus Sep 29 to Oct 5 thread is past it’s use-by date.Another article on the Neanderthal gene link to severe cases of COVID-19:
https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-coronavirus-has-been-linked-to-neanderthal-genes-from-60-000-years-ago
Original article in Nature, for those that have a subscription.
Well no wonder they died out
Russia’s daily tally of new cases rose to its worst since 11 May on Monday as authorities reported 11,615 new infections nationwide; including 4,082 in Moscow.
Authorities said 188 people had died overnight, pushing the official death toll to 21,663. The total number of cases registered since the beginning of the outbreak stands at 1,237,504, they said.
There’s a chance that their vaccine isn’t working.
sibeen said:
Russia’s daily tally of new cases rose to its worst since 11 May on Monday as authorities reported 11,615 new infections nationwide; including 4,082 in Moscow.Authorities said 188 people had died overnight, pushing the official death toll to 21,663. The total number of cases registered since the beginning of the outbreak stands at 1,237,504, they said.
There’s a chance that their vaccine isn’t working.
Pffft.
What are you – a statistician?
And one on SARS-Cov-2 mutations, especially for moll, who has hypothesised various regional mutations with lesser and greater virulence, infectiousness and transmissibility.
https://www.sciencealert.com/coronavirus-mutations-what-we-ve-learned-so-far
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
Michael V said:
And one on SARS-Cov-2 mutations, especially for moll, who has hypothesised various regional mutations with lesser and greater virulence, infectiousness and transmissibility.https://www.sciencealert.com/coronavirus-mutations-what-we-ve-learned-so-far
Ta. Noted.
> While the SARS-CoV-2 population was genetically essentially invariant when it jumped into its first human host in late 2019, over 13,000 of these changes are now found in the 100,000 SARS-CoV-2 sequenced to date.
Yike. 13,000 mutations. Keep this up and the virus will be immune to vaccines before they’re released, at the current rate of vaccine release.
(Actually, I’ve never been specific about virulence, infectiousness nor transmissibility. Only mortality, which is an unrelated issue).
mollwollfumble said:
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
- Guam
- Kiribati
- Nauru
- Niue
- Palau
- Puerto Rico
- Solomon Islands
- Tonga
- Tuvalu
- Turkmenistan
- Vanuata
- Wallis and Futuna
- Western Samoa
- Zaire
The Pacific Island nations I’d believe. Not so sure about the othering ones.
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
- Guam
- Kiribati
- Nauru
- Niue
- Palau
- Puerto Rico
- Solomon Islands
- Tonga
- Tuvalu
- Turkmenistan
- Vanuata
- Wallis and Futuna
- Western Samoa
- Zaire
The Pacific Island nations I’d believe. Not so sure about the othering ones.
+1
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
- Guam
- Kiribati
- Nauru
- Niue
- Palau
- Puerto Rico
- Solomon Islands
- Tonga
- Tuvalu
- Turkmenistan
- Vanuata
- Wallis and Futuna
- Western Samoa
- Zaire
The Pacific Island nations I’d believe. Not so sure about the othering ones.
Guam, Puerto Rico, are part of the USA and are listen thereunder.
There’s been no country called Zaire for more than 20 years. It’s called Congo or the Democratic Republic of Congo.
There’s been no country called Western Samoa for more than 20 years. It’s called Samoa.
dv said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
- Guam
- Kiribati
- Nauru
- Niue
- Palau
- Puerto Rico
- Solomon Islands
- Tonga
- Tuvalu
- Turkmenistan
- Vanuata
- Wallis and Futuna
- Western Samoa
- Zaire
The Pacific Island nations I’d believe. Not so sure about the othering ones.
Guam, Puerto Rico, are part of the USA and are listen thereunder.
There’s been no country called Zaire for more than 20 years. It’s called Congo or the Democratic Republic of Congo.
There’s been no country called Western Samoa for more than 20 years. It’s called Samoa.
Well, that makes a lot more sense.
I knew Guam had a few cases early on when the virus broke out aboard a US navy carrier group.
mollwollfumble said:
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
Guam- Kiribati
- Nauru
- Niue
- Palau
Puerto Rico- Solomon Islands
- Tonga
- Tuvalu
- Turkmenistan
- Vanuata
- Wallis and Futuna
- Western Samoa
Zaire
OK, Have found Guam, Puerto Rico and Zaire in the Worldometers Covid database.
51,305 cases in Puerto Rico
10,778 cases in Zaire
2,753 cases in Guam
It is plausible that pandemics affected some of the human descendent tribes and evolutionary trails when coming together for the first time during migration as this has also occurred in recorded history when European migration met with indigenous peoples around the world.
And.. perhaps extinctions occurred in part due to this cause and hybridisation of species survived with the immunity that provided in that newly developed genetic diversity?
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
Guam- Kiribati
- Nauru
- Niue
- Palau
Puerto RicoSolomon Islands- Tonga
- Tuvalu
- Turkmenistan
- Vanuata
- Wallis and Futuna
- Western Samoa
ZaireOK, Have found Guam, Puerto Rico and Zaire in the Worldometers Covid database.
51,305 cases in Puerto Rico
10,778 cases in Zaire (DRC)
2,753 cases in Guam
Thanks for setting me straight.
1 case in Solomon Islands.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
Are the following localities completely Covid-free? Or are they just missing from the worldometers database?
Guam- Kiribati
- Nauru
- Niue
- Palau
Puerto RicoSolomon Islands- Tonga
- Tuvalu
- Turkmenistan
- Vanuata
- Wallis and Futuna
- Western Samoa
ZaireOK, Have found Guam, Puerto Rico and Zaire in the Worldometers Covid database.
51,305 cases in Puerto Rico
10,778 cases in Zaire (DRC)
2,753 cases in GuamThanks for setting me straight.
1 case in Solomon Islands.
First case in Solomon Islands as recently as 3 Oct.
The proliferation continues.
As of 18 Sep, from https://www.who.int/westernpacific/internal-publications-detail/covid-19-joint-external-situation-report-for-pacific-islands-28
China has been doing everything right as regards Covid-19.
Fewer cases in all of China than in Nepal, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Japan, just taking examples from Asia.
Total active cases currently in China is 205, of which only 2 (1%) are serious cases.
No Civid-19 deaths in the whole of China since 17th May. That’s nearly five months without any deaths.
That excludes Hong Kong. Last death in Hong Kong was Sep 25.
In the whole of Taiwan, over all time, only 7 deaths. No covid-19 deaths in Taiwan since 11th May.
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If the USA had the same health policy as China, their deaths could have dropped by zero by 17th May as well.
—-
Now have a look at deaths by province in China. Outside of the state of Hubai, no Chinese state had more than twenty two Covid-19 deaths. That’s what I call effective lockdown. Over all the mainland China states, the median number of deaths per state is two.
The following shows the enormous effectiveness of lockdown and anti-covid measures in China.
mollwollfumble said:
China has been doing everything right as regards Covid-19.Fewer cases in all of China than in Nepal, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Japan, just taking examples from Asia.
Total active cases currently in China is 205, of which only 2 (1%) are serious cases.
No Civid-19 deaths in the whole of China since 17th May. That’s nearly five months without any deaths.
That excludes Hong Kong. Last death in Hong Kong was Sep 25.
In the whole of Taiwan, over all time, only 7 deaths. No covid-19 deaths in Taiwan since 11th May.
—-
If the USA had the same health policy as China, their deaths could have dropped by zero by 17th May as well.
—-
Now have a look at deaths by province in China. Outside of the state of Hubai, no Chinese state had more than twenty two Covid-19 deaths. That’s what I call effective lockdown. Over all the mainland China states, the median number of deaths per state is two.
The following shows the enormous effectiveness of lockdown and anti-covid measures in China.
Perhaps China with all their poultry, pigs and other animals often confined to small areas with people, has had more practise in handling these highly infectious diseases.
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
China has been doing everything right as regards Covid-19.Fewer cases in all of China than in Nepal, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Japan, just taking examples from Asia.
Total active cases currently in China is 205, of which only 2 (1%) are serious cases.
No Civid-19 deaths in the whole of China since 17th May. That’s nearly five months without any deaths.
That excludes Hong Kong. Last death in Hong Kong was Sep 25.
In the whole of Taiwan, over all time, only 7 deaths. No covid-19 deaths in Taiwan since 11th May.
—-
If the USA had the same health policy as China, their deaths could have dropped by zero by 17th May as well.
—-
Now have a look at deaths by province in China. Outside of the state of Hubai, no Chinese state had more than twenty two Covid-19 deaths. That’s what I call effective lockdown. Over all the mainland China states, the median number of deaths per state is two.
The following shows the enormous effectiveness of lockdown and anti-covid measures in China.
Perhaps China with all their poultry, pigs and other animals often confined to small areas with people, has had more practise in handling these highly infectious diseases.
Thailand and Vietnam have both effectively curtailed COVID as well despite shoddy healthcare systems. I think it will take so time to understand why some countries/regions are hit while other similar places are not.
so=some
Witty Rejoinder said:
Thailand and Vietnam have both effectively curtailed COVID as well despite shoddy healthcare systems. I think it will take so time to understand why some countries/regions are hit while other similar places are not.
to be fair there are pretty clear patterns which would already strongly suggest what works and what doesn’t
Berejiklian admits defeat and chooses to go for failure rather than trying to do as well as other states and territories not under Dan
(ABC News)
“I say to the Queensland government, I appreciate you will probably come out today and say the 28 days is ticking from the start.
“Until the end of the pandemic, it is unlikely that New South Wales will get to 28 days with no community transmission.
“Queensland and WA have the luxury of closing their borders so they have a higher chance of having zero to fewer transmission cases, but in New South Wales, where we are hosting major events.
“We need the community to be vigilant, but we have to accept there is that element of risk and there is that element of risk that we need to manage and the cases overnight demonstrate that clearly.”
Good News Is Good Practice In The Land Of Dan
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-07/covid19-regional-victorians-masks-distancing-restrictions/12735232
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
China has been doing everything right as regards Covid-19.Fewer cases in all of China than in Nepal, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Japan, just taking examples from Asia.
Total active cases currently in China is 205, of which only 2 (1%) are serious cases.
No Civid-19 deaths in the whole of China since 17th May. That’s nearly five months without any deaths.
That excludes Hong Kong. Last death in Hong Kong was Sep 25.
In the whole of Taiwan, over all time, only 7 deaths. No covid-19 deaths in Taiwan since 11th May.
—-
If the USA had the same health policy as China, their deaths could have dropped by zero by 17th May as well.
—-
Now have a look at deaths by province in China. Outside of the state of Hubai, no Chinese state had more than twenty two Covid-19 deaths. That’s what I call effective lockdown. Over all the mainland China states, the median number of deaths per state is two.
The following shows the enormous effectiveness of lockdown and anti-covid measures in China.
Perhaps China with all their poultry, pigs and other animals often confined to small areas with people, has had more practise in handling these highly infectious diseases.
Thailand and Vietnam have both effectively curtailed COVID as well despite shoddy healthcare systems. I think it will take so time to understand why some countries/regions are hit while other similar places are not.
They too have had a great deal of practise with other diseases likely originating from China, They know what to do and to do it quickly.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Perhaps China with all their poultry, pigs and other animals often confined to small areas with people, has had more practise in handling these highly infectious diseases.
Thailand and Vietnam have both effectively curtailed COVID as well despite shoddy healthcare systems. I think it will take so time to understand why some countries/regions are hit while other similar places are not.
They too have had a great deal of practise with other diseases likely originating from China, They know what to do and to do it quickly.
Diseases emanating from China since 2000.
https://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/country/chn/en/
The UK had another PB yesterday. Second wave way ahead of the first so far. Shutting pubs at 10pm looks like such a winner.
WARP and WAXIT
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/perth/programs/breakfast/secession-wa/12740616
One way to abolish states, we guess.
Washington (CNN)The ousted director of the office involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine has now resigned from his post at the National Institutes of Health, charging that the Trump administration “ignores scientific expertise, overrules public health guidance and disrespects career scientists.”
Rick Bright, who filed an extensive whistleblower complaint this spring alleging that his early warnings about the coronavirus were ignored and that his caution at hydroxychloroquine led to his removal, is exiting the federal government altogether after being “sidelined” at NIH, his attorneys said in a pointed statement released Tuesday.
“Although not allowed at NIH to utilize his expertise in vaccines or therapeutics, Dr. Bright developed a plan to implement a robust national testing infrastructure, which emphasized the critical need to provide screening tests for asymptomatic individuals and to provide services to underserved populations disproportionately impacted by COVID-19,” Bright’s attorneys, Debra Katz and Lisa Banks, said in a statement.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/rick-bright-resigns-nih-whistleblower/index.html
SCIENCE said:
WARP and WAXIThttps://www.abc.net.au/radio/perth/programs/breakfast/secession-wa/12740616
One way to abolish states, we guess.
Russell Sewell ex palmer united party. heard that interview this morning.
QLD are generous and reasonable but Gladys thinks it’s unrealistic.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-has-48-hours-to-trace-new-covid-19-cases-or-the-queensland-border-clock-resets-20201007-p562up.html
Under Queensland’s rules, NSW must go 28 days without community transmission before the border can be reopened. NSW Health authorities must also be able to trace the cases within 48 hours, otherwise the cases with unknown sources will reset the border clock to zero.
On Wednesday afternoon, Queensland Deputy Premier and Health Minister Steven Miles said he remained hopeful the border could reopen as soon as November 1, but warned that situation could still change at any time.
“The contact tracers in NSW will have 48 hours to see if they can scientifically link these cases to existing clusters, I really hope that they can. If they can that won’t have any effect on our timeline,” he said.
“As far as we know, for now, we are still on track for that review toward the end of the month.”
Earlier on Wednesday Ms Berejiklian said Queensland’s definition of what would be safe enough to reopen the border was “unrealistic”.
“I will put to you that until the end of the pandemic, it’s highly unlikely, highly improbable that NSW will ever get to 28 days of no community transmission, because that is not how a pandemic works,” she said.
I’ve been wondering about the effectiveness of these different mask types recently. Particularly the Spiderman mask. But also Guy Faulkes and Groucho Marx masks. I had to rule out Batman.
SCIENCE said:
QLD are generous and reasonable but Gladys thinks it’s unrealistic.https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-has-48-hours-to-trace-new-covid-19-cases-or-the-queensland-border-clock-resets-20201007-p562up.html
Under Queensland’s rules, NSW must go 28 days without community transmission before the border can be reopened. NSW Health authorities must also be able to trace the cases within 48 hours, otherwise the cases with unknown sources will reset the border clock to zero.
On Wednesday afternoon, Queensland Deputy Premier and Health Minister Steven Miles said he remained hopeful the border could reopen as soon as November 1, but warned that situation could still change at any time.
“The contact tracers in NSW will have 48 hours to see if they can scientifically link these cases to existing clusters, I really hope that they can. If they can that won’t have any effect on our timeline,” he said.
“As far as we know, for now, we are still on track for that review toward the end of the month.”
Earlier on Wednesday Ms Berejiklian said Queensland’s definition of what would be safe enough to reopen the border was “unrealistic”.
“I will put to you that until the end of the pandemic, it’s highly unlikely, highly improbable that NSW will ever get to 28 days of no community transmission, because that is not how a pandemic works,” she said.
Probably because she didn’t close the border…
(Seems to have worked just fine for WA, SA, NT, TAS and most likely QLD, too.)
From the Gran:
The number of new coronavirus infections in Switzerland rose by 1,077 in a day, data from the public health agency showed, the first daily increase of more than 1,000 since early April.
The agency reported a total of 57,709 confirmed cases, while the death toll rose by two to 1,789.
New daily cases peaked at 1,456 on 23 March and had dwindled to as few as three on 1 June.
You’d be right pissed off. Down to three and then back to shitsville.
Boris Johnson must set out the scientific evidence behind the introduction of further lockdown measures, Keir Starmer has said, hinting his party could vote against implementing the 10pm curfew if the government fails to provide more evidence.
Fuck me, Starmer puts his head above the parapet and it appears that he’s wearing a clown suit.
sibeen said:
Boris Johnson must set out the scientific evidence behind the introduction of further lockdown measures, Keir Starmer has said, hinting his party could vote against implementing the 10pm curfew if the government fails to provide more evidence.Fuck me, Starmer puts his head above the parapet and it appears that he’s wearing a clown suit.
The UK was done 50 years ago. The absurd veil of superiority they claimed by theft and murder was done a hundred years ago. We urgently need to stop pretending that these supercilious fuckwits hold any relevance in the twenty first century.
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
Boris Johnson must set out the scientific evidence behind the introduction of further lockdown measures, Keir Starmer has said, hinting his party could vote against implementing the 10pm curfew if the government fails to provide more evidence.Fuck me, Starmer puts his head above the parapet and it appears that he’s wearing a clown suit.
The UK was done 50 years ago. The absurd veil of superiority they claimed by theft and murder was done a hundred years ago. We urgently need to stop pretending that these supercilious fuckwits hold any relevance in the twenty first century.
Just remember Margaret Thatcher’s election slogan – Make Britain Great Again.
mollwollfumble said:
Rule 303 said:
sibeen said:
Boris Johnson must set out the scientific evidence behind the introduction of further lockdown measures, Keir Starmer has said, hinting his party could vote against implementing the 10pm curfew if the government fails to provide more evidence.Fuck me, Starmer puts his head above the parapet and it appears that he’s wearing a clown suit.
The UK was done 50 years ago. The absurd veil of superiority they claimed by theft and murder was done a hundred years ago. We urgently need to stop pretending that these supercilious fuckwits hold any relevance in the twenty first century.
Just remember Margaret Thatcher’s election slogan – Make Britain Great Again.
Thereby laying the path for Brexit and handing Trump the trademark rights to USexit: A porn-led decline into fat dumb old white guy destructionism.
This week’s Budget papers referred to “significant uncertainty” about the timetable for a vaccine, and referred to a rollout from the beginning of July next year as an “earlier” scenario.
However, the papers also said it was assumed a “population-wide” vaccination program would be “fully in place” in Australia by late next year.
In the US, the Food and Drug Administration has also put a dampener on expectations. This week, it said it wanted at least two months’ worth of safety data before it would authorise emergency use of a vaccine.
That makes it very unlikely a vaccine will be getting approval in the US before the election.
Last month, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said a COVID-19 vaccine wouldn’t be widely available until mid-2021. (Mr Trump said he believed Robert Redfield was “confused”).
Changes to SA-Victoria border restrictions start today. Casterton people often use Mount Gambier for medical stuff. They were excluded from the 30km bubble because Casterton is 40km from the border. Now that has extended to 70km, they can get back to their specialists.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-contractors-alfred-hospitals/12739938
¿so are we blaming healthcare workplace spread now or is it the case that aside from the occasional slip up, community spread of virus happens in the community?
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-contractors-alfred-hospitals/12739938¿so are we blaming healthcare workplace spread now or is it the case that aside from the occasional slip up, community spread of virus happens in the community?
It is clear that someone had allowed the humans to run unleashed.
Ms Berejiklian said she did not want NSW’s contact tracers to be put under unnecessary pressure.
“Does it matter how long it takes our experts to find the links? Sometimes it might take them a couple of hours, sometimes it might take a few days,” she said.
—
WTF
¿in a pandemic when a disease spreads like fucking crazy, does it matter if the public health people are able to trace contacts and sources quickly, versus doing so slowly?
“I notice that Queensland and Western Australia continue to ease restrictions in their communities, but they keep the border up. Now, that is a false sense of security.”
—
you mean a true sense of jealousy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/mystery-nsw-coronavirus-cases-a-risk-for-border-reopenings/12740910
SCIENCE said:
Ms Berejiklian said she did not want NSW’s contact tracers to be put under unnecessary pressure.“Does it matter how long it takes our experts to find the links? Sometimes it might take them a couple of hours, sometimes it might take a few days,” she said.
—
WTF
¿in a pandemic when a disease spreads like fucking crazy, does it matter if the public health people are able to trace contacts and sources quickly, versus doing so slowly?
I thought the other states had been making rude comments about Victoria when they were dealing with a lot more than 4 mystery cases.
buffy said:
I thought the other states had been making rude comments about Victoria when they were dealing with a lot more than 4 mystery cases.
You weren’t supposed to know about that.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Ms Berejiklian said she did not want NSW’s contact tracers to be put under unnecessary pressure.“Does it matter how long it takes our experts to find the links? Sometimes it might take them a couple of hours, sometimes it might take a few days,” she said.
—
WTF
¿in a pandemic when a disease spreads like fucking crazy, does it matter if the public health people are able to trace contacts and sources quickly, versus doing so slowly?
I thought the other states had been making rude comments about Victoria when they were dealing with a lot more than 4 mystery cases.
well it is a dangerous situation; but we’re no fan of New South Welsh exceptionalism
In Other News … COVID-19 Makes Australians Healthier
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/how-has-coronavirus-impacted-on-workers-taking-sick-leave/12660858
SCIENCE said:
In Other News … COVID-19 Makes Australians Healthierhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/how-has-coronavirus-impacted-on-workers-taking-sick-leave/12660858
Some of us are working less due to retirement.
Covid has killed off a lot of business.
SCIENCE said:
In Other News … COVID-19 Makes Australians Healthierhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/how-has-coronavirus-impacted-on-workers-taking-sick-leave/12660858
Because they changed some oftheir fillthy habits, and washed their hands a bit more often.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
In Other News … COVID-19 Makes Australians Healthierhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/how-has-coronavirus-impacted-on-workers-taking-sick-leave/12660858
Because they changed some oftheir fillthy habits, and washed their hands a bit more often.
To be fair, that’s no harsh assessment.
SCIENCE said:
In Other News … COVID-19 Makes Australians Healthierhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/how-has-coronavirus-impacted-on-workers-taking-sick-leave/12660858
With less Australians working, this is expected.
It’s the rate – sick days per number of workers that might show something interesting.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
In Other News … COVID-19 Makes Australians Healthierhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/how-has-coronavirus-impacted-on-workers-taking-sick-leave/12660858
With less Australians working, this is expected.
It’s the rate – sick days per number of workers that might show something interesting.
Well the sickie has dropped off because most of those workers are on jobkeeper and staying home until their job actually comes back.
SCIENCE said:
“I notice that Queensland and Western Australia continue to ease restrictions in their communities, but they keep the border up. Now, that is a false sense of security.”—
you mean a true sense of jealousy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/mystery-nsw-coronavirus-cases-a-risk-for-border-reopenings/12740910
Oh Wait Did You Say “We Should Live With It”
and somehow expect it would be easy to control
wait, did you accuse other states of being paranoid
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/nsw-records-eight-locally-acquired-coronavirus-infections/12742556
¿oh is that more LOCAL UNKNOWN SOURCE TRANSMISSION that you got complacent sitting on your arses on?
Health authorities in NSW have confirmed five new locally acquired coronavirus cases, as contact tracers focus their efforts on two infection clusters the Premier says are likely to keep growing.“We’ve been extremely patient and tolerant to bring everybody on board but we can’t have a few people let down the whole community.”
¿could say the same for the other states hey, they’ve been extremely patient and tolerant but guess which VICTORIAN and NEW SOUTH WELSH states are letting down the community?
well, we hope some of those “highly paid but now unemployed” preferenced a government that might have prioritised unemployment support over tax cuts
SCIENCE said:
well, we hope some of those “highly paid but now unemployed” preferenced a government that might have prioritised unemployment support over tax cuts
Tax cuts are not about giving money to people who are in need of it.
They’re more about letting people who already have a lot of it keep more of it.
Remember this…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/could-rapid-testing-cut-quarantine-times-offer-travellers-hope/12556900
Coronavirus tests at airports have allowed Europeans to travel again. But the system is not without risk
… and now this …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/italy-coronavirus-case-numbers-may-show-covid-19-second-wave/12739208
… what a surprise.
SCIENCE said:
Remember this…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-15/could-rapid-testing-cut-quarantine-times-offer-travellers-hope/12556900
Coronavirus tests at airports have allowed Europeans to travel again. But the system is not without risk
… and now this …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/italy-coronavirus-case-numbers-may-show-covid-19-second-wave/12739208
… what a surprise.
That graph doesn’t look to be correct. France has higher daily cases that the UK at present and has done for quite a while IIRC.
nah they shifted it to match 100th cases
nice, but we hope they keep the ventilation good
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/ngv-triennial-melbourne-exhibition-national-gallery-of-victoria/12741588
https://www.ft.com/content/a792326c-40e7-460d-ac38-8a9b03286ea0
“They gave me Regeneron — other things, too — but I think this was the key. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable. I felt good immediately,” Mr Trump said. “They call them therapeutic, but to me it wasn’t just therapeutic, it made me better. I call that a cure.”
dv said:
https://www.ft.com/content/a792326c-40e7-460d-ac38-8a9b03286ea0
“They gave me Regeneron — other things, too — but I think this was the key. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable. I felt good immediately,” Mr Trump said. “They call them therapeutic, but to me it wasn’t just therapeutic, it made me better. I call that a cure.”
Praise the Lord.
dv said:
https://www.ft.com/content/a792326c-40e7-460d-ac38-8a9b03286ea0
“They gave me Regeneron — other things, too — but I think this was the key. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable. I felt good immediately,” Mr Trump said. “They call them therapeutic, but to me it wasn’t just therapeutic, it made me better. I call that a cure.”
They gave him “other things” as well.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:https://www.ft.com/content/a792326c-40e7-460d-ac38-8a9b03286ea0
“They gave me Regeneron — other things, too — but I think this was the key. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable. I felt good immediately,” Mr Trump said. “They call them therapeutic, but to me it wasn’t just therapeutic, it made me better. I call that a cure.”
They gave him “other things” as well.
Possibly, due to these, other things, we might see an overall improvement in his mood.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:https://www.ft.com/content/a792326c-40e7-460d-ac38-8a9b03286ea0
“They gave me Regeneron — other things, too — but I think this was the key. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable. I felt good immediately,” Mr Trump said. “They call them therapeutic, but to me it wasn’t just therapeutic, it made me better. I call that a cure.”
They gave him “other things” as well.
Possibly, due to these, other things, we might see an overall improvement in his mood.
> They gave me Regeneron. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable
Well fuckin well release it for public use, you bastard.
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They gave him “other things” as well.
Possibly, due to these, other things, we might see an overall improvement in his mood.
> They gave me Regeneron. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable
Well fuckin well release it for public use, you bastard.
#CNBC #CNBCTV
President Donald Trump’s antibodies are likely from antibody drug: Regeneron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvsvItiBd0I
some news on the coronavirus situation in washington meg what can you tell us hi wolf well of course the president’s doctor dr sean connolly putting out a memo just now really saying of note the president labs from monday showed that he had sars kovi ii antibodies the suggestion of that uh is sort of a suggestion that the president has mounted an immune response now he also received regeneron’s antibody drug on friday and regeneron telling me quote given the volume of antibodies delivered in our therapy in the timing of these tests it’s likely that that test he’s referring to is detecting the regeneron antibodies uh so we’ll it’s just sort of a puzzling situation this um memo coming out from the president’s doctor about the president having these antibodies when the president was given antibodies on friday it’s sort of it would follow that you would find them then in his um his tests so um you know if this was given as an example that the president’s mounting his own immune response both scientists who know antibodies and also the company saying it’s actually likely this is the drug that they’re seeing and meg the test on that uh as to whether he was creating his own antibodies would be what waiting longer or identifying a different type of antibody well it actually would be difficult to know if it was his own antibodies or regeneron’s antibodies the company also saying that but typically the earliest antibodies detected are what’s known as igm antibodies and these are igg antibodies which typically show up a little bit later so scientists saying it’s unlikely that these would be the president’s own igg antibodies but most likely the regeneron drug the old igg versus igm uh antibody distinction which comes up every day of course sir we all knew about already meg thank you shepard smith here thanks for watching cnbc on youtube
doesn’t giving people antibodies prevent them from making their own
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They gave him “other things” as well.
Possibly, due to these, other things, we might see an overall improvement in his mood.
> They gave me Regeneron. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable
Well fuckin well release it for public use, you bastard.
We can’t do that Dave.
The peasants will only hoard it and fight over it like toilet paper.
No it must be kept for the elite and the intellectuals and the ruling class.
Sorry.
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Possibly, due to these, other things, we might see an overall improvement in his mood.
> They gave me Regeneron. They gave me Regeneron and it was, like, unbelievable
Well fuckin well release it for public use, you bastard.
We can’t do that Dave.
The peasants will only hoard it and fight over it like toilet paper.
No it must be kept for the elite and the intellectuals and the ruling class.
Sorry.
also regeneron is the company name not the name of the drug/s, apparently.
We need Alex. I was thinking that the antibodies in Regeneron are not “self” when they are injected into a person. As it is in testing and there have been no reports that I’ve seen of the person injected mounting an antibody response to the “non-self” injected antibodies, presumably it is not happening. Why would that be so?
Bogsnorkler said:
also regeneron is the company name not the name of the drug/s, apparently.
remember how we send “JobKeeper” money to businesses and not employees
Victorian Authorities Warn: Virus Is Going To Kilmore
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/victoria-new-coronavirus-cases-melbourne-mystery-cases-increase/12742478
Scott Morrison caught out just making shit up about union action and its effect on medical supplies:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/coronacheck-scott-morrison-port-botany-40-ships-waterfront/12744674
ANYTHING that involves Patrick stevedoring is bound to be chock full of bullshit.
captain_spalding said:
Scott Morrison caught out just making shit up about union action and its effect on medical supplies:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/coronacheck-scott-morrison-port-botany-40-ships-waterfront/12744674
ANYTHING that involves Patrick stevedoring is bound to be chock full of bullshit.
There seems to be a long record of the same.
Dr Sara Marzouk
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By now, the entire world knows that Donald Trump received an experimental drug cocktail by a company called Regeneron. Incorrectly described by his medical team as consisting of polyclonal antibodies, when it is indeed two monoclonal antibodies, REGN-COV2 was provided to Trump under ‘compassionate use’ grounds at the request of Trumps doctors.
Now Donald Trump has proclaimed to the world that REGN-COV2 is a definitive treatment, and that he will make this highly experimental and expensive drug free to all Americans. He has warned Americans not to allow COVID-19 to ‘dominate their lives’ as he holds himself up as a prime example of the ‘cured’ patient.
While I could focus on the fact that it’s easy not to allow COVID-19 to ‘dominate your life’ when you have received an experimental cocktail of antibodies, antivirals and steroids not available to the average American taxpayer, have a team of doctors on call 24 hours a day to staff the fully equipped hospital suite within the White House, and you enjoy the privilege of having a helicopter at your beck and call to transfer you to one of the best military hospitals in the world when you deteriorate….all while apparently paying less federal income tax than the average American….I want to focus of a different point entirely.
Donald Trump’s base has been sharing his most recent video proclaiming the efficacy of REGN-COV2. The fact his treatment did not included the much touted hydroxychloroquine has done little to reduce the jubilation of his sycophants at the possibility of having an alternative to an ‘unsafe’ and ‘unethical’ vaccine.
And this demonstrates staggering cognitive dissonance on many fronts.
First, the fact is that just like the main COVID-19 vaccine candidates, REGN-COV2 is still undergoing clinical trials. The manufacturer Regeneron first announced it was undergoing human trials in June, after publishing promising mice data. However, the much maligned Oxford University vaccine (ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) was already deep in human Phase1/2 by that stage, with findings accepted for publication by The Lancet in July.
Conclusion: The Oxford vaccine is further ahead in trials than REGN-COV2.
Second, the drug protocol Donald Trump received had been tested in a Phase 1/2 trial of 275 outpatients as of September 29. The ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine had been tested in 543 patients in Phase 1/2, double the number of people.
Conclusion: The Oxford vaccine candidate has been tested in more trial candidates than REGN-COV2.
Third, of those 275 outpatients who received REGN-COV2 in Phase 1/2 as per Donald Trump’s protocol, approximately 56% were Hispanic and 13% African American. On average, patients were 44 years of age. Although the preliminary data shows REGN-COV2 has promising results in these 275 patients, its safety and efficacy have yet to be established in an older Caucasian man like Donald Trump.
Conclusion: It’s too early to say whether REGN-COV2 is safe or efficacious in someone of Donald Trump’s profile, and an absolute falsehood to claim it is safer as a curative agent than ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 would be as a vaccine.
But you know what is truly ironic?
The Trump fans who are claiming that REGN-COV2 is somehow more ‘ethical’ than a vaccine seem to be blissfully ignorant of the fact that REGN-COV2 was developed thanks to the use of HEK-293 cells, an immortal cell line established from the kidneys of a foetus electively aborted in the Netherlands around 1972.
Let that sink in: The same people who reject vaccines because they are manufactured in immortal cell lines derived from two foetuses electively aborted in the 1960s are the same people now showing they have no qualms about mass roll out of a drug developed with the help of an immortal cell line from an aborted foetus.
Conclusion: Hypocrisy is terrifying.
For the record, I hope that both REGN-COV2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 succeed as a treatment and preventative respectively. Both would be important weapons in fighting this virus. But don’t be under any delusions that the REGN-COV2 has been proven to be a safer and more ethical option than the the vaccine candidates. Because the facts speak for themselves.
- Sara
Addit: It’s also important to acknowledge that according to a 2017 financial disclosure form filed with the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in June 2017, Trump had a capital gain of $50,001 to $100,000 for Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and $100,001 to $1 million for Gilead Sciences Inc (which produces the Remdesivir which Trump also received).
Re: ID: 1630328 (too long to quote)
LOL
Divine Angel said:
Re: ID: 1630328 (too long to quote)LOL
love your work.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Scott Morrison caught out just making shit up about union action and its effect on medical supplies:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/coronacheck-scott-morrison-port-botany-40-ships-waterfront/12744674
ANYTHING that involves Patrick stevedoring is bound to be chock full of bullshit.
There seems to be a long record of the same.
There are a few Liberal lies that have started big change. Look how much Australia changed with children being thrown overboard and aboriginal alcoholics abusing children.
So tell us this… ¿what’s the rush seriously, can people not just wait until a case has been traced before saying “that’s fine, go ahead”? Like WTF why wait until there’s a new local unknown source transmission, before throwing everything open ¿¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/sydney-arrivals-touch-down-in-darwin-no-coronavirus-quarantine/12746530
The Northern Territory head of the Australian Medical Association says he’s “very concerned” about the jurisdiction re-opening its borders to Sydney today as NSW health authorities confirm five new locally acquired COVID-19 cases.
The NT’s head of the AMA wants to keep Sydneysiders barred until the spread from the Macquarie University case is clear
Dr Parker said he also wasn’t happy about the Northern Territory pushing ahead with plans to re-open its borders to Greater Sydney on Friday, which allows all new arrivals from New South Wales to travel freely throughout the NT without undergoing quarantine.
But John Paterson from the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance Northern Territory said the Government’s decision to push ahead with the border reopening was alarming.
“We should have just waited a couple of more days — 48 hours — and over the weekend and review it again early next week and see what’s going to happen early next week,” Mr Paterson said.
SCIENCE said:
So tell us this… ¿what’s the rush seriously, can people not just wait until a case has been traced before saying “that’s fine, go ahead”? Like WTF why wait until there’s a new local unknown source transmission, before throwing everything open ¿¿https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/sydney-arrivals-touch-down-in-darwin-no-coronavirus-quarantine/12746530
The Northern Territory head of the Australian Medical Association says he’s “very concerned” about the jurisdiction re-opening its borders to Sydney today as NSW health authorities confirm five new locally acquired COVID-19 cases.
The NT’s head of the AMA wants to keep Sydneysiders barred until the spread from the Macquarie University case is clear
Dr Parker said he also wasn’t happy about the Northern Territory pushing ahead with plans to re-open its borders to Greater Sydney on Friday, which allows all new arrivals from New South Wales to travel freely throughout the NT without undergoing quarantine.
But John Paterson from the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance Northern Territory said the Government’s decision to push ahead with the border reopening was alarming.
“We should have just waited a couple of more days — 48 hours — and over the weekend and review it again early next week and see what’s going to happen early next week,” Mr Paterson said.
I’m a bit surprised to learn that NT has several borders with Sydney.
In fact I didn’t know there was even one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
So tell us this… ¿what’s the rush seriously, can people not just wait until a case has been traced before saying “that’s fine, go ahead”? Like WTF why wait until there’s a new local unknown source transmission, before throwing everything open ¿¿https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/sydney-arrivals-touch-down-in-darwin-no-coronavirus-quarantine/12746530
The Northern Territory head of the Australian Medical Association says he’s “very concerned” about the jurisdiction re-opening its borders to Sydney today as NSW health authorities confirm five new locally acquired COVID-19 cases.
The NT’s head of the AMA wants to keep Sydneysiders barred until the spread from the Macquarie University case is clear
Dr Parker said he also wasn’t happy about the Northern Territory pushing ahead with plans to re-open its borders to Greater Sydney on Friday, which allows all new arrivals from New South Wales to travel freely throughout the NT without undergoing quarantine.
But John Paterson from the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance Northern Territory said the Government’s decision to push ahead with the border reopening was alarming.
“We should have just waited a couple of more days — 48 hours — and over the weekend and review it again early next week and see what’s going to happen early next week,” Mr Paterson said.
I’m a bit surprised to learn that NT has several borders with Sydney.
In fact I didn’t know there was even one.
we think it’s fair to use the term as they have been using it frequently already this pandemic in the sense of travel restriction; there’s probably no need to get all drawing the line about it
new PB for the UK, 17,000+ new cases. I hope their Excel spreadsheet is keeping up.
party_pants said:
new PB for the UK, 17,000+ new cases. I hope their Excel spreadsheet is keeping up.
Never mind, if you ring before 10 you can take an ambulance straight from the pub.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/while-sturgeon-takes-decisive-action-on-covid-johnson-just-blusters
In Calderdale or Newcastle now you can still teach a class of 30 potentially infectious children, serve customers in a shop all day long, or work in a factory that might be harbouring the seeds of next outbreak. But you can’t visit your elderly mum, have a glass of wine with a friend in their garden or plan a weekend away with any certainty. It’s all the slog, but none of the joy – “this is no life for people to be living”, as the Manchester MP Lucy Powell put it in parliament last week.’
I think I have that.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/while-sturgeon-takes-decisive-action-on-covid-johnson-just-blustersIn Calderdale or Newcastle now you can still teach a class of 30 potentially infectious children, serve customers in a shop all day long, or work in a factory that might be harbouring the seeds of next outbreak. But you can’t visit your elderly mum, have a glass of wine with a friend in their garden or plan a weekend away with any certainty. It’s all the slog, but none of the joy – “this is no life for people to be living”, as the Manchester MP Lucy Powell put it in parliament last week.’
I think I have that.
That’s basically the same in Victoria.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/while-sturgeon-takes-decisive-action-on-covid-johnson-just-blustersIn Calderdale or Newcastle now you can still teach a class of 30 potentially infectious children, serve customers in a shop all day long, or work in a factory that might be harbouring the seeds of next outbreak. But you can’t visit your elderly mum, have a glass of wine with a friend in their garden or plan a weekend away with any certainty. It’s all the slog, but none of the joy – “this is no life for people to be living”, as the Manchester MP Lucy Powell put it in parliament last week.’
I think I have that.
That’s basically the same in Victoria.
Same article..
‘Say what you like about Nicola Sturgeon – and, as the shutters come down on Glasgow pubs, perhaps some people will. But at least her position is crystal clear. There was little attempt to sugar the pill on Wednesday as she spelled out measures she must know will make people miserable – shutting hospitality in central Scotland and curbing alcohol sales elsewhere – but which she now deems necessary. Cancelling next year’s National 5 exams, Scotland’s equivalent of GCSEs, also suggests that families can’t just assume things will be back to normal by spring. While Boris Johnson can’t help sticking a jaunty cocktail umbrella on everything he has to tell the British public, Sturgeon serves her bad news straight up. Yet voters seem to respect her for it, rewarding her over the summer with approval ratings Downing Street would kill for.’
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/while-sturgeon-takes-decisive-action-on-covid-johnson-just-blustersIn Calderdale or Newcastle now you can still teach a class of 30 potentially infectious children, serve customers in a shop all day long, or work in a factory that might be harbouring the seeds of next outbreak. But you can’t visit your elderly mum, have a glass of wine with a friend in their garden or plan a weekend away with any certainty. It’s all the slog, but none of the joy – “this is no life for people to be living”, as the Manchester MP Lucy Powell put it in parliament last week.’
I think I have that.
That’s basically the same in Victoria.
Same article..
‘Say what you like about Nicola Sturgeon – and, as the shutters come down on Glasgow pubs, perhaps some people will. But at least her position is crystal clear. There was little attempt to sugar the pill on Wednesday as she spelled out measures she must know will make people miserable – shutting hospitality in central Scotland and curbing alcohol sales elsewhere – but which she now deems necessary. Cancelling next year’s National 5 exams, Scotland’s equivalent of GCSEs, also suggests that families can’t just assume things will be back to normal by spring. While Boris Johnson can’t help sticking a jaunty cocktail umbrella on everything he has to tell the British public, Sturgeon serves her bad news straight up. Yet voters seem to respect her for it, rewarding her over the summer with approval ratings Downing Street would kill for.’
So if you announce the bad news in as dour way then somehow that’s better that being a bit upbeat? I don’t get it.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/while-sturgeon-takes-decisive-action-on-covid-johnson-just-blustersIn Calderdale or Newcastle now you can still teach a class of 30 potentially infectious children, serve customers in a shop all day long, or work in a factory that might be harbouring the seeds of next outbreak. But you can’t visit your elderly mum, have a glass of wine with a friend in their garden or plan a weekend away with any certainty. It’s all the slog, but none of the joy – “this is no life for people to be living”, as the Manchester MP Lucy Powell put it in parliament last week.’
I think I have that.
Johnson’s political support within his own party are those that lean to the right, in order to support his crazy brexit stuff. They are the same type of people that don’t like lockdowns and social restrictions that are sadly necessary for bringing down the rates of infection. The response has been to have piece-meal local restrictions around the country, often without the local authorities being properly communicated or even consulted. It also strangely seems that Labour voting areas are more prone to random tougher restrictions than Tory voting areas. It really is a mess. Sooner or later they will have to go back into national lockdown, but when that happens BoJo might face a revolt of back-bench Tory MPs.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:That’s basically the same in Victoria.
Same article..
‘Say what you like about Nicola Sturgeon – and, as the shutters come down on Glasgow pubs, perhaps some people will. But at least her position is crystal clear. There was little attempt to sugar the pill on Wednesday as she spelled out measures she must know will make people miserable – shutting hospitality in central Scotland and curbing alcohol sales elsewhere – but which she now deems necessary. Cancelling next year’s National 5 exams, Scotland’s equivalent of GCSEs, also suggests that families can’t just assume things will be back to normal by spring. While Boris Johnson can’t help sticking a jaunty cocktail umbrella on everything he has to tell the British public, Sturgeon serves her bad news straight up. Yet voters seem to respect her for it, rewarding her over the summer with approval ratings Downing Street would kill for.’
So if you announce the bad news in as dour way then somehow that’s better that being a bit upbeat? I don’t get it.
You don’t get it. People think that Nicola isn’t lying to them and being a clown. They think she actually cares.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:That’s basically the same in Victoria.
Same article..
‘Say what you like about Nicola Sturgeon – and, as the shutters come down on Glasgow pubs, perhaps some people will. But at least her position is crystal clear. There was little attempt to sugar the pill on Wednesday as she spelled out measures she must know will make people miserable – shutting hospitality in central Scotland and curbing alcohol sales elsewhere – but which she now deems necessary. Cancelling next year’s National 5 exams, Scotland’s equivalent of GCSEs, also suggests that families can’t just assume things will be back to normal by spring. While Boris Johnson can’t help sticking a jaunty cocktail umbrella on everything he has to tell the British public, Sturgeon serves her bad news straight up. Yet voters seem to respect her for it, rewarding her over the summer with approval ratings Downing Street would kill for.’
So if you announce the bad news in as dour way then somehow that’s better that being a bit upbeat? I don’t get it.
Otherwise it sounds like spin and nobody will listen to you, or if they do they won’t believe you. bad news is best served bluntly.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Same article..
‘Say what you like about Nicola Sturgeon – and, as the shutters come down on Glasgow pubs, perhaps some people will. But at least her position is crystal clear. There was little attempt to sugar the pill on Wednesday as she spelled out measures she must know will make people miserable – shutting hospitality in central Scotland and curbing alcohol sales elsewhere – but which she now deems necessary. Cancelling next year’s National 5 exams, Scotland’s equivalent of GCSEs, also suggests that families can’t just assume things will be back to normal by spring. While Boris Johnson can’t help sticking a jaunty cocktail umbrella on everything he has to tell the British public, Sturgeon serves her bad news straight up. Yet voters seem to respect her for it, rewarding her over the summer with approval ratings Downing Street would kill for.’
So if you announce the bad news in as dour way then somehow that’s better that being a bit upbeat? I don’t get it.
You don’t get it. People think that Nicola isn’t lying to them and being a clown. They think she actually cares.
^ This.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:So if you announce the bad news in as dour way then somehow that’s better that being a bit upbeat? I don’t get it.
You don’t get it. People think that Nicola isn’t lying to them and being a clown. They think she actually cares.
^ This.
Hmm, I’ve read the whole article now. We have something similar going on in Australia, except in our case it is the state premiers who are doing the individual state lockdowns and rules. I’ll give Boris a bit of a break on this one, he has to make rules for all the disparate parts of England and the complaint here seems to be that some areas are under strict lockdown whilst other parts are not.
Truth About Origins Of COVID-19 And Foreign Interference Comes Full Circle
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-10-09/anti-beijing-group-with-links-to-steve-bannon-misinformation/12735638
SCIENCE said:
Truth About Origins Of COVID-19 And Foreign Interference Comes Full Circlehttps://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-10-09/anti-beijing-group-with-links-to-steve-bannon-misinformation/12735638
One person started it, one person.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Truth About Origins Of COVID-19 And Foreign Interference Comes Full Circlehttps://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-10-09/anti-beijing-group-with-links-to-steve-bannon-misinformation/12735638
One person started it, one person.
It depends whether a few were in contact with the animal that had a covid virus that affected a group of people and this could have happened if they were working with infected animals I read that bats will easily shard the virus as they roost in tight groups.
monkey skipper said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Truth About Origins Of COVID-19 And Foreign Interference Comes Full Circlehttps://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-10-09/anti-beijing-group-with-links-to-steve-bannon-misinformation/12735638
One person started it, one person.
It depends whether a few were in contact with the animal that had a covid virus that affected a group of people and this could have happened if they were working with infected animals I read that bats will easily shard the virus as they roost in tight groups.
maybe it’s like bullying, whether one person started it, it still takes everyone else to help it spread
The Answer Is Revealed: WESTAIVirus Was All A Diversion To Let Northeast Tibet Infect / Flood World With 5G Cryptocurrency
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-10/china-to-issue-10-million-digital-yuan-in-first-public-test/12750320
We Can Make A Little Effort To Kill Ants But We Can’t Eliminate Virus
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-10/fire-ant-victory-in-se-qld/12740836
SCIENCE said:
We Can Make A Little Effort To Kill Ants But We Can’t Eliminate Virushttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-10/fire-ant-victory-in-se-qld/12740836
We can. Chemtrails. Kill everything.
France scores over 20K cases yesterday and is screaming up the charts with a bullet.
Crazy indictment of our times how in the age of don it’s news that dan refuses to interfere in an investigation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-10/victoria-14-new-coronavirus-cases-average-in-melbourne-increases/12750874
Mr Andrews was again grilled about a six-minute gap in the phone records of Graham Ashton, the former Victoria Police chief commissioner. In its final submission to the hotel quarantine inquiry, Victoria Police said Mr Ashton was called and advised that security guards would be used to guard guests in hotel quarantine. Mr Andrews said he had not been asked to provide the phone records to the inquiry.
“I will not interfere in an independent inquiry that is not finished … that would be inappropriate,” he said.
Hard to judge this mclaws person, seems like sometimes ‘e’s all over virus restrictions, other times all over the economy, whatever’s politically expeditious.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-10/victorias-coronavirus-numbers-are-not-falling-fast-enough/12751180
Who knows what thread this goes in?
Olivia Troye, former aide to Mike Pence on the White House Coronavirus Task Force, affirms New York Times reporting that the CDC had intended to require everyone on public and commercial transportation to wear a mask, but the Trump White House blocked the order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsDg3IbQos0
sarahs mum said:
Who knows what thread this goes in?Olivia Troye, former aide to Mike Pence on the White House Coronavirus Task Force, affirms New York Times reporting that the CDC had intended to require everyone on public and commercial transportation to wear a mask, but the Trump White House blocked the order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsDg3IbQos0
Do we have a thread titled ‘FFS’?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Who knows what thread this goes in?Olivia Troye, former aide to Mike Pence on the White House Coronavirus Task Force, affirms New York Times reporting that the CDC had intended to require everyone on public and commercial transportation to wear a mask, but the Trump White House blocked the order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsDg3IbQos0
Do we have a thread titled ‘FFS’?
I think most of them resolve to that.
The White House rejected a plan from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention to mandate face masks on commercial and public transportation, according to a Friday report from the New York Times citing two officials, in what appears to be another instance of the administration overruling the experts at the key public health agency during the Covid-19 pandemic.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/10/09/report-white-house-rejected-cdc-mask-mandate-on-commercial-and-public-transportation/#201960c847ac
SUNRISE LAKE AT LEWIS MORRIS PARK/MORRISTOWN, NJ- The fall season will uncork once again when several of New Jersey’s finest wineries join together for the annual “Grand Harvest Wine Festival” on October 10 & 11 from 12 noon – 5pm each day. Surrounded by the beauty of the autumn foliage this weekend of great New Jersey wine, gourmet food trucks, fabulous live music and artisan crafts is a fitting way to “celebrate the harvest”! Once you spend the day at this event you will know why so many mark their calendars every year for this wonderful seasonal festival.
This year the always much anticipated “Grand Harvest Wine Festival” finds a new home for one year at Sunrise Lake in Lewis Morris Park/Morristown. Be part of NJ’s “socially distanced” wine festival knowing these important protocols have been put in place to insure everyone has a safe, fun, relaxing time:
ŸŸ-Masks must be worn at all times except at winery tasting stations or when seated in the festival field
-Ÿ6ft of social distance between all groups
-ŸFestival layout reconfigured for social distancing
-ŸAccess to winery tasting stations via socially distanced queue lines
-ŸGroups 8 or less at winery tasting stations
-Festival following consistent sanitizing protocols
With “social distancing” in mind, this year’s Grand Harvest Wine Festival will be a much more intimate event. Because of that, tickets to this outdoor event are limited so get one before they are gone
Hand picked for the festival, the participating New Jersey wineries will be offering up samples & sales of their products made right here in the Garden State. The Grand Harvest Wine Festival is proud to feature:
Interesting.
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-autoimmune-like-antibody-response-has-been-linked-with-severe-covid-19
Michael V said:
Interesting.https://www.sciencealert.com/this-autoimmune-like-antibody-response-has-been-linked-with-severe-covid-19
thanks
well Hepatitis B response varies and antibodies have much to do with it
we stand by our initial judgement that before we know much more about these new diseases, we shouldn’t be letting them rip
Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM
16 Keats Road, Basking Ridge, NJ, 07920
Come by this Saturday and Sunday for a multi family garage sale! We’re selling clothes, furniture, holiday decorations, musical instruments, electronics and much more.
Please wear a face covering. We can provide gloves & hand sanitizer, and will ensure proper distancing.
Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 11:00 AM
3575 Valley Road
The fourth annual Family Praise Festival at Fellowship Deaconry Ministries will be a wonderful day of fun, entertainment and food. Event opens at 11:00 and closes at 5:00 – come early and enjoy live music all day, hay rides, food tent, ice cream, craft vendors, kids’ games and activities, pumpkin decorating and face painting.
Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 10:15 AM
45 Church Street, Far Hills, NJ, 07931
Young Adult Ministry (20s, 30s, 40s) of Liberty Corner Presbyterian Church is getting together on Sunday, October 11. We’ll meet for Contemporary Worship, followed by lunch at Copper Kettle, and a four mile hike at Cross Estate Gardens.
Worship begins at 10:30 am and reservations are required to meet safety guidelines; sign up here. Please bring a mask.
Scottish National Party MP Margaret Ferrier has been a very naughty girl.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54496759
What a fucking numpty.
sibeen said:
Scottish National Party MP Margaret Ferrier has been a very naughty girl.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54496759
What a fucking numpty.
Yeah. she should step down. And every one else who pulled that shit.
sibeen said:
Scottish National Party MP Margaret Ferrier has been a very naughty girl.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54496759
What a fucking numpty.
“I’d resign immediately but the virus is making me act funny, so I won’t.”
Seventy-eight members of Victoria‘s business community have joined together in a full-page ad in Melbourne’s Sunday newspapers to blast the Andrews’ government’s handling of the lockdown.
The ad calls for transparency by the government and release of health data behind the lockdown policy.
Flexigroup chairman Andrew Abercrombie was one of the key organisers behind the ad and said the government‘s failed policies had placed hundreds of thousands of small business owners on the brink of bankruptcy.
He said the government was obsessed with a policy of eradication and failed the balance test for the greater good.
“COVID-19 has been a catastrophe for Victorians, just not in the way the government forecast,” he said.
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/business-leaders-unite-to-blast-andrews-government-coronavirus-incompetence/news-story/f43f046122fed5a41c98288edc180997
What the God damned fuck.
This is the same Abercrombie who organised the superspreader party in Aspen, bringing the virus back to Australia.
Have these people literally got no shame?
https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/the-aspen-party-that-went-viral-and-came-home-to-toorak-and-portsea-20200327-p54efv
dv said:
Seventy-eight members of Victoria‘s business community have joined together in a full-page ad in Melbourne’s Sunday newspapers to blast the Andrews’ government’s handling of the lockdown.
The ad calls for transparency by the government and release of health data behind the lockdown policy.
Flexigroup chairman Andrew Abercrombie was one of the key organisers behind the ad and said the government‘s failed policies had placed hundreds of thousands of small business owners on the brink of bankruptcy.
He said the government was obsessed with a policy of eradication and failed the balance test for the greater good.
“COVID-19 has been a catastrophe for Victorians, just not in the way the government forecast,” he said.—-
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/business-leaders-unite-to-blast-andrews-government-coronavirus-incompetence/news-story/f43f046122fed5a41c98288edc180997What the God damned fuck.
This is the same Abercrombie who organised the superspreader party in Aspen, bringing the virus back to Australia.
Have these people literally got no shame?
I’m going to take that as a comment, because we know damn well they ain’t.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
Seventy-eight members of Victoria‘s business community have joined together in a full-page ad in Melbourne’s Sunday newspapers to blast the Andrews’ government’s handling of the lockdown.
The ad calls for transparency by the government and release of health data behind the lockdown policy.
Flexigroup chairman Andrew Abercrombie was one of the key organisers behind the ad and said the government‘s failed policies had placed hundreds of thousands of small business owners on the brink of bankruptcy.
He said the government was obsessed with a policy of eradication and failed the balance test for the greater good.
“COVID-19 has been a catastrophe for Victorians, just not in the way the government forecast,” he said.—-
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/business-leaders-unite-to-blast-andrews-government-coronavirus-incompetence/news-story/f43f046122fed5a41c98288edc180997What the God damned fuck.
This is the same Abercrombie who organised the superspreader party in Aspen, bringing the virus back to Australia.
Have these people literally got no shame?
I’m going to take that as a comment, because we know damn well they ain’t.
and never did have.
Ohhhh the grammar!!!
dv said:
Seventy-eight members of Victoria‘s business community have joined together in a full-page ad in Melbourne’s Sunday newspapers to blast the Andrews’ government’s handling of the lockdown.
The ad calls for transparency by the government and release of health data behind the lockdown policy.
Flexigroup chairman Andrew Abercrombie was one of the key organisers behind the ad and said the government‘s failed policies had placed hundreds of thousands of small business owners on the brink of bankruptcy.
He said the government was obsessed with a policy of eradication and failed the balance test for the greater good.
“COVID-19 has been a catastrophe for Victorians, just not in the way the government forecast,” he said.—-
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/business-leaders-unite-to-blast-andrews-government-coronavirus-incompetence/news-story/f43f046122fed5a41c98288edc180997What the God damned fuck.
This is the same Abercrombie who organised the superspreader party in Aspen, bringing the virus back to Australia.
Have these people literally got no shame?
https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/the-aspen-party-that-went-viral-and-came-home-to-toorak-and-portsea-20200327-p54efv
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/forget-its-tirades-against-trump-abc-is-the-real-superspreader-of-misinformation/news-story/81dc599f7010de8c7ea61854e5275291
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/11/scott-morrison-casts-gloom-on-australias-prospects-for-quarantine-free-travel-with-europe-and-us
dv said:
Thanks.
¿what is to be our interpretation of these figures?
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Thanks.
¿what is to be our interpretation of these figures?
That this year’s Victorian suicide figures are typical
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Thanks.
¿what is to be our interpretation of these figures?
That this year’s Victorian suicide figures are typical
That’s what we don’t understand — ¿what were we to make of all the claims that it would be a suicide disaster? — all the stories were about psychiatrists stressing out about it; we didn’t encounter much in the way of “and the number or rate of suicides will not change appreciably”.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Thanks.
¿what is to be our interpretation of these figures?
That this year’s Victorian suicide figures are typical
The Age newspaper released the Victorian Coroner’s report that showed these figures a couple of months ago – And was almost immediately forced to withdraw the article because it was subjected to a furious and clearly orchestrated attack across all electronic platforms. PWM is most welcome, indeed is strongly encouraged, to check the voracity of this claim.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Thanks.
¿what is to be our interpretation of these figures?
That this year’s Victorian suicide figures are typical
That’s what we don’t understand — ¿what were we to make of all the claims that it would be a suicide disaster? — all the stories were about psychiatrists stressing out about it; we didn’t encounter much in the way of “and the number or rate of suicides will not change appreciably”.
I guess that’s not an interesting headline but I dare say it was a common opinion
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:That this year’s Victorian suicide figures are typical
That’s what we don’t understand — ¿what were we to make of all the claims that it would be a suicide disaster? — all the stories were about psychiatrists stressing out about it; we didn’t encounter much in the way of “and the number or rate of suicides will not change appreciably”.
I guess that’s not an interesting headline but I dare say it was a common opinion
Yeah, why bother killing yourself when you can go out and bring back a deadly disease?
T
With the virus again dominating the national discourse, the Trump campaign has released an ad featuring Anthony Fauci praising the President’s leadership.
The ad, a quick section of Dr Fauci saying “I can’t imagine that anybody could be doing more” plays after a voiceover claims: “President Trump tackled the virus head on, as leaders should.”
But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert has objected to being included.
“The comments attributed to me without my permission in the GOP campaign ad were taken out of context,” Dr Fauci said in a statement.
He clarified that he was talking broadly about public health officials’ response to the pandemic.
“In my five decades of public service, I have never publicly endorsed political candidates,” he said.
Tim Murtaugh, Trump campaign communications director, responded by saying that “these are Dr Fauci’s own words” and said they were praising the administration’s response.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/donald-trump-covid-free-immune-twitter-campaign/12753152
Your weekly update on flu-like illnesses in Australia.
By the way, whereas I thought I had a cold that lasted for months and wouldn’t go away. That is now confirmed as cat allergy.
mollwollfumble said:
Your weekly update on flu-like illnesses in Australia.By the way, whereas I thought I had a cold that lasted for months and wouldn’t go away. That is now confirmed as cat allergy.
So did you get rid of your cats?
mollwollfumble said:
Your weekly update on flu-like illnesses in Australia.By the way, whereas I thought I had a cold that lasted for months and wouldn’t go away. That is now confirmed as cat allergy.
maybe it’s long haul COVID-19, has that been checked
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-28-days-australian-scientists/12752108
CSIRO scientists tested the SARS-CoV-2 virus to see how long it survived on surfaces such as cotton, paper, stainless steel, glass and vinyl.
He said the fact the virus lasted for so long on surfaces such as glass was important, with the results published today in Virology Journal.
More important was the fact that the research was conducted in Australia, preventing the Not Invented Here Antipattern from applying.
SCIENCE said:
More important was the fact that the research was conducted in Australia, preventing the Not Invented Here Antipattern from applying.
I googled that and am still unsure what it means.
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:More important was the fact that the research was conducted in Australia, preventing the Not Invented Here Antipattern from applying.
I googled that and am still unsure what it means.
I’m not sure that Google is much help in understanding the writings of SCIENCE :)
SCIENCE said:
Remember How There Was Absolutely No Way That SARS-CoV-2 Could Have Been Reimported Into Safe Countries On Frozen Foods
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-28-days-australian-scientists/12752108
CSIRO scientists tested the SARS-CoV-2 virus to see how long it survived on surfaces such as cotton, paper, stainless steel, glass and vinyl.
He said the fact the virus lasted for so long on surfaces such as glass was important, with the results published today in Virology Journal.
More important was the fact that the research was conducted in Australia, preventing the Not Invented Here Antipattern from applying.
>>>And on some surfaces, such as glass and paper banknotes, the virus was still there after one month.
A lot of food packaging is plastic and there are different types of plastic so I wonder if plastics were looked at?
Interesting that banknotes can hold a virus for a month
perhaps cash drawers at banks, supermarkets and shops could have ultra violet cleaners built in.
or a separate uV bank note cleaner same for coins
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Remember How There Was Absolutely No Way That SARS-CoV-2 Could Have Been Reimported Into Safe Countries On Frozen Foods
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-28-days-australian-scientists/12752108
CSIRO scientists tested the SARS-CoV-2 virus to see how long it survived on surfaces such as cotton, paper, stainless steel, glass and vinyl.
He said the fact the virus lasted for so long on surfaces such as glass was important, with the results published today in Virology Journal.
More important was the fact that the research was conducted in Australia, preventing the Not Invented Here Antipattern from applying.
>>>And on some surfaces, such as glass and paper banknotes, the virus was still there after one month.
A lot of food packaging is plastic and there are different types of plastic so I wonder if plastics were looked at?
Interesting that banknotes can hold a virus for a month
perhaps cash drawers at banks, supermarkets and shops could have ultra violet cleaners built in.
or a separate uV bank note cleaner same for coins
Or hand washing and not touching faces could become the norm.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Remember How There Was Absolutely No Way That SARS-CoV-2 Could Have Been Reimported Into Safe Countries On Frozen Foods
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-28-days-australian-scientists/12752108
CSIRO scientists tested the SARS-CoV-2 virus to see how long it survived on surfaces such as cotton, paper, stainless steel, glass and vinyl.
He said the fact the virus lasted for so long on surfaces such as glass was important, with the results published today in Virology Journal.
More important was the fact that the research was conducted in Australia, preventing the Not Invented Here Antipattern from applying.
>>>And on some surfaces, such as glass and paper banknotes, the virus was still there after one month.
A lot of food packaging is plastic and there are different types of plastic so I wonder if plastics were looked at?
Interesting that banknotes can hold a virus for a month
perhaps cash drawers at banks, supermarkets and shops could have ultra violet cleaners built in.
or a separate uV bank note cleaner same for coins
Or hand washing and not touching faces could become the norm.
Yes that too, before I go to the supermarket I wash my face and hands, then at the supermarket I put on my mask then a gel anti bacteria wash in the car.
but I would like to see UV banknote cleaners and coin cleaners become the norm too
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:More important was the fact that the research was conducted in Australia, preventing the Not Invented Here Antipattern from applying.
I googled that and am still unsure what it means.
Apologies.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Not+Invented+Here+Antipattern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
Not invented here (NIH) is the tendency to avoid using … research, … or knowledge from external origins. … Research illustrates a strong bias against ideas from the outside.
The reasons for not wanting to use the work of others are varied, but can include … an unwillingness to acknowledge or value the work of others, jealousy, belief perseverance, or forming part of a wider turf war. … this tendency can manifest itself as an unwillingness to adopt an idea or product because it originates from another culture, a form of tribalism.
The term is typically used in a pejorative sense.
We talked about virus activity lasting on surfaces about six months+ ago with the result that virus lasted for around 6 days, so this follow-up research by the CSIRO has shown that to be incorrect.
Tau.Neutrino said:
We talked about virus activity lasting on surfaces about six months+ ago with the result that virus lasted for around 6 days, so this follow-up research by the CSIRO has shown that to be incorrect.
or partially correct, but amenable to refinement, which is what SCIENCE is about really
What are the Odds?
What are the odds that coronavirus led to an excess of mortality in parts of Europe last year but nobody noticed? Mistaking it for normal viral pneumonia. eg. in Italy, where it was known to exist from wastewater samples.
