Date: 9/10/2020 07:54:13
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1630299
Subject: What is happiness?
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Date: 9/10/2020 07:58:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630300
Subject: re: What is happiness?

mollwollfumble said:

Happiness simply is. It cannot be pursued as if to catch it with a butterfly net.

Learn to accept that it is a state of life that occurs naturally.
Meditate upon this for as long as you live.

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Date: 9/10/2020 09:25:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1630318
Subject: re: What is happiness?

mollwollfumble said:

The greatest gift that I posses.

(sorry)

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Date: 9/10/2020 09:42:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630324
Subject: re: What is happiness?

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

The greatest gift that I posses.

(sorry)

Why be sorry? You gifted him.

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Date: 9/10/2020 09:45:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1630326
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

The greatest gift that I posses.

(sorry)

Why be sorry? You gifted him.

I’m guessing that references to the works of Dodd, K. (qualifications unknown) were not what he was hoping for.

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Date: 9/10/2020 09:51:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630329
Subject: re: What is happiness?

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The greatest gift that I posses.

(sorry)

Why be sorry? You gifted him.

I’m guessing that references to the works of Dodd, K. (qualifications unknown) were not what he was hoping for.

With moll, guessing is oft the way.

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Date: 9/10/2020 09:52:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1630330
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Why be sorry? You gifted him.

I’m guessing that references to the works of Dodd, K. (qualifications unknown) were not what he was hoping for.

With moll, guessing is oft the way.

True :)

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Date: 9/10/2020 09:53:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1630331
Subject: re: What is happiness?

A chemical configuration of the brain that provides the organism with a sense of well-being, contentment, enthusiasm and similar positive feelings.

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Date: 9/10/2020 09:54:06
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1630332
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, and endorphins are famously happy hormones that promote positive feelings like pleasure, happiness, and even love. Hormones and neurotransmitters are involved in lots of essential processes, like heart rate and digestion, but also your mood and feelings

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Date: 9/10/2020 11:45:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1630413
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Dean Martin – Volare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah637P0_cts

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Date: 9/10/2020 11:49:31
From: Tamb
ID: 1630416
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Bubblecar said:


Dean Martin – Volare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah637P0_cts

Charles de Gaulle on happiness.
Lunching with English friends at the time of her husband’s retirement, Madame de Gaulle was asked what she was looking forward to in the years ahead. “A penis,” she replied without hesitation. The embarrassed silence that followed was finally broken by the former president. “My dear,” he murmured, “I think the English don’t pronounce the word quite like that. It’s ‘appiness.‘”

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Date: 9/10/2020 11:49:41
From: transition
ID: 1630417
Subject: re: What is happiness?

there are mental states, moods or whatever that are recognizably enjoyable, and people experiencing that if asked likely would self-report something indicating an absence of discontent, or an absence of debilitating discontent, however the guy that liked to write his dreams down and helped decode them with the assistance of cocaine, it may have been, whoever anyway, how they said it

much of it is, in non-technical terms, generated by fun brain bubbles, the effervescence of the internal environment, which can be depleted by excessive work, too many worries, poor diet, malnutrition, disease, chemical insult, even variously and importantly bad luck

there are all sorts of bad luck, though some people don’t believe it exists, fun brain bubbles are meant to help avoid bad luck, or put another way optimize for good luck, at least make effective an appreciation of whatever gives even modest satisfaction

I wouldn’t recommend looking too hard for such a modest thing, encouraged by others to indulge comparative mechanisms of the social operations of the cognitive apparatus, to go making that a primary way, sort of untethered wandering comparisons, much as the force of culture is somewhat invested in that, inclines it, a persons ego could end up lost in there, on the treadmill of envy and jealousy, all made to appear quite respectable of course

so, i’d suggest, a modest look at what happiness is, or could be, first may require a deconstruction of the Lie, and the latter isn’t a small task, and part of that is being sold ideas about what happiness is, where you might get it, should or ought get it, and the reality is the Lie is there waiting, before you are born or even conceived, it anticipates you

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Date: 9/10/2020 11:50:28
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1630419
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Tamb said:


Bubblecar said:

Dean Martin – Volare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah637P0_cts

Charles de Gaulle on happiness.
Lunching with English friends at the time of her husband’s retirement, Madame de Gaulle was asked what she was looking forward to in the years ahead. “A penis,” she replied without hesitation. The embarrassed silence that followed was finally broken by the former president. “My dear,” he murmured, “I think the English don’t pronounce the word quite like that. It’s ‘appiness.‘”

:)

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Date: 9/10/2020 11:58:43
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1630423
Subject: re: What is happiness?

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The greatest gift that I posses.

(sorry)

Why be sorry? You gifted him.

I’m guessing that references to the works of Dodd, K. (qualifications unknown) were not what he was hoping for.

I certainly am looking for references to the work of Dodd, K.
Who’s Dodd, K?

There is this philospher:

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:08:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1630434
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Ken Dodd.

He had a song entitled “Happiness”.

Quite likely inspired by Madame de Gaulle :)

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:18:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1630440
Subject: re: What is happiness?

wanting what you have

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:24:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630441
Subject: re: What is happiness?

… is a warm gun.

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:25:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630443
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


is a warm gun

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:33:10
From: transition
ID: 1630447
Subject: re: What is happiness?

SCIENCE said:


wanting what you have

sounds pithy appealing, but doesn’t apply of serious suffering, for example variously of mental illness, for example, or same perhaps of serious trauma and grief, so some of the appeal of the pithy idea slides straight past what it alienates, the truth it alienates

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:34:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1630450
Subject: re: What is happiness?

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

wanting what you have

sounds pithy appealing, but doesn’t apply of serious suffering, for example variously of mental illness, for example, or same perhaps of serious trauma and grief, so some of the appeal of the pithy idea slides straight past what it alienates, the truth it alienates

definitely worth consideration, but not completely convinced, there are mental illness sufferers who would rather their suffering and be happier with it than the treatment and its effect

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:36:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630451
Subject: re: What is happiness?

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

wanting what you have

sounds pithy appealing, but doesn’t apply of serious suffering, for example variously of mental illness, for example, or same perhaps of serious trauma and grief, so some of the appeal of the pithy idea slides straight past what it alienates, the truth it alienates

definitely worth consideration, but not completely convinced, there are mental illness sufferers who would rather their suffering and be happier with it than the treatment and its effect

They don’t lose their happiness by being impaired in other ways.

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:44:57
From: transition
ID: 1630453
Subject: re: What is happiness?

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

wanting what you have

sounds pithy appealing, but doesn’t apply of serious suffering, for example variously of mental illness, for example, or same perhaps of serious trauma and grief, so some of the appeal of the pithy idea slides straight past what it alienates, the truth it alienates

definitely worth consideration, but not completely convinced, there are mental illness sufferers who would rather their suffering and be happier with it than the treatment and its effect

i’ve seen it written around the place, and is in a song maybe, I possibly have the song, dunno

the idea for the most part can be soundly applied to good effect, but any idea generalized in application that ignores its own possible contradictions or shortcomings is more ideology, lends to becoming part of miniature ideologies

the thing about what appear really good ideas, is the brakes are removed, the answer to when they fail is more of the idea, more of the same, not consideration of when it may be not enough (of an understanding), or fails

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:47:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630454
Subject: re: What is happiness?

A world without Trump.

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:54:16
From: transition
ID: 1630457
Subject: re: What is happiness?

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:55:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1630460
Subject: re: What is happiness?

transition said:


I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

Yes it’s a very trite comment, rarely true.

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:56:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630462
Subject: re: What is happiness?

transition said:


I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

Got nothing to do with happiness.

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:57:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1630464
Subject: re: What is happiness?

transition said:


I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

That was only ever a joking, throw-away line. A pseudo-aphorism, if you will.

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:58:26
From: transition
ID: 1630465
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

Yes it’s a very trite comment, rarely true.

comes from Friedrich Nietzsche, perhaps

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:58:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630466
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Michael V said:


transition said:

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

That was only ever a joking, throw-away line. A pseudo-aphorism, if you will.

Or “well you survived didn’t you?”

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Date: 9/10/2020 12:59:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630467
Subject: re: What is happiness?

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

Yes it’s a very trite comment, rarely true.

comes from Friedrich Nietzsche, perhaps

Spot on.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:00:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630468
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes it’s a very trite comment, rarely true.

comes from Friedrich Nietzsche, perhaps

Spot on.

is generally used as an affirmation of resilience.

As I said. Nothing to do with happiness.
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Date: 9/10/2020 13:04:26
From: Tamb
ID: 1630469
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

comes from Friedrich Nietzsche, perhaps

Spot on.

is generally used as an affirmation of resilience.

As I said. Nothing to do with happiness.
Taken literally, my cancer hasn’t killed me but it certainly has made me weaker.
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Date: 9/10/2020 13:04:33
From: buffy
ID: 1630470
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Michael V said:


transition said:

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

That was only ever a joking, throw-away line. A pseudo-aphorism, if you will.

It is true with respect to your immune system.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:08:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630471
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Spot on.

is generally used as an affirmation of resilience.

As I said. Nothing to do with happiness.
Taken literally, my cancer hasn’t killed me but it certainly has made me weaker.

Indeed. However, you are no stronger now than you ever were.
or to put it in Nasrudin’s words, “I am as strong now as when I was 20”.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:08:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630472
Subject: re: What is happiness?

buffy said:


Michael V said:

transition said:

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

That was only ever a joking, throw-away line. A pseudo-aphorism, if you will.

It is true with respect to your immune system.

is that.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:09:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1630473
Subject: re: What is happiness?

buffy said:


Michael V said:

transition said:

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

That was only ever a joking, throw-away line. A pseudo-aphorism, if you will.

It is true with respect to your immune system.

Not necessarily. There are diseases that stuff up your immune system without killing you.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:10:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630474
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

is generally used as an affirmation of resilience.

As I said. Nothing to do with happiness.
Taken literally, my cancer hasn’t killed me but it certainly has made me weaker.

Indeed. However, you are no stronger now than you ever were.
or to put it in Nasrudin’s words, “I am as strong now as when I was 20”.

When he was asked by his students what do you mean by that, he ppointed at a big rock down in the courtyard and said see that? I couldn’t move it when I was 20 and still cannot.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:10:26
From: Tamb
ID: 1630475
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

is generally used as an affirmation of resilience.

As I said. Nothing to do with happiness.
Taken literally, my cancer hasn’t killed me but it certainly has made me weaker.

Indeed. However, you are no stronger now than you ever were.
or to put it in Nasrudin’s words, “I am as strong now as when I was 20”.


Nah. I was bulletproof in my 20s.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:10:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630476
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

Michael V said:

That was only ever a joking, throw-away line. A pseudo-aphorism, if you will.

It is true with respect to your immune system.

Not necessarily. There are diseases that stuff up your immune system without killing you.

Like this ‘rona thing.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:10:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630477
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Taken literally, my cancer hasn’t killed me but it certainly has made me weaker.

Indeed. However, you are no stronger now than you ever were.
or to put it in Nasrudin’s words, “I am as strong now as when I was 20”.


Nah. I was bulletproof in my 20s.

You only thought you were. ;)

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:12:03
From: Tamb
ID: 1630479
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Taken literally, my cancer hasn’t killed me but it certainly has made me weaker.

Indeed. However, you are no stronger now than you ever were.
or to put it in Nasrudin’s words, “I am as strong now as when I was 20”.

When he was asked by his students what do you mean by that, he ppointed at a big rock down in the courtyard and said see that? I couldn’t move it when I was 20 and still cannot.


But when he was 20 he could use a pick to break the rock, now he couldn’t

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:12:24
From: transition
ID: 1630481
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

comes from Friedrich Nietzsche, perhaps

Spot on.

is generally used as an affirmation of resilience.

As I said. Nothing to do with happiness.

perhaps, perhaps not, i’d say it is part of collections of ideas, ways, the miniature ideologies people internalize, psychological devices to serve personal and whatever broader social dimension

well in the territory of ideas related how an individual becomes an adequate member of society and culture, and what happiness is deserved

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:12:30
From: buffy
ID: 1630482
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

It is true with respect to your immune system.

Not necessarily. There are diseases that stuff up your immune system without killing you.

Like this ‘rona thing.

Actually, we don’t know that yet. We won’t know for some time. For many people it probably just works in the normal way…they develop another immunity in their armament.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:12:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630483
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Indeed. However, you are no stronger now than you ever were.
or to put it in Nasrudin’s words, “I am as strong now as when I was 20”.

When he was asked by his students what do you mean by that, he ppointed at a big rock down in the courtyard and said see that? I couldn’t move it when I was 20 and still cannot.


But when he was 20 he could use a pick to break the rock, now he couldn’t

Me too but hey, I’ve got several jackhammers.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:13:37
From: Tamb
ID: 1630485
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Indeed. However, you are no stronger now than you ever were.
or to put it in Nasrudin’s words, “I am as strong now as when I was 20”.


Nah. I was bulletproof in my 20s.

You only thought you were. ;)


I survived being buried under 3 Maori Rugby forwards.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:14:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630486
Subject: re: What is happiness?

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Not necessarily. There are diseases that stuff up your immune system without killing you.

Like this ‘rona thing.

Actually, we don’t know that yet. We won’t know for some time. For many people it probably just works in the normal way…they develop another immunity in their armament.

To be fair they don’t know that either yet.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:14:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630487
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Nah. I was bulletproof in my 20s.

You only thought you were. ;)


I survived being buried under 3 Maori Rugby forwards.

I survived by never tempting them.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:22:58
From: buffy
ID: 1630492
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Like this ‘rona thing.

Actually, we don’t know that yet. We won’t know for some time. For many people it probably just works in the normal way…they develop another immunity in their armament.

To be fair they don’t know that either yet.

And if you read what I said….

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:26:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630494
Subject: re: What is happiness?

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Actually, we don’t know that yet. We won’t know for some time. For many people it probably just works in the normal way…they develop another immunity in their armament.

To be fair they don’t know that either yet.

And if you read what I said….

I did.

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Date: 9/10/2020 13:36:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1630499
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

To be fair they don’t know that either yet.

And if you read what I said….

I did.

look it’s fair we mean smallpox is fine, no problem, humans still live, infectious disease, it’s just, infectious disease

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Date: 9/10/2020 14:19:10
From: transition
ID: 1630527
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Michael V said:


transition said:

I could chuck in another one, most people would have heard of it

“what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”

variations of that, it quite simply isn’t true, as a generalizing idea

That was only ever a joking, throw-away line. A pseudo-aphorism, if you will.

dunno, doubt it, these things land in naive minds, have a native psychological appeal, offer a quick and handy idea or device for simplifying things, and who hasn’t noticed much of everything functions as well as it does in no insubstantial part thanks to indifference/s

who has never had a feeling, that translated courtesy English word-concepts, didn’t have about it some desire for satisfaction in having survived something

even things like the experience of exhilaration, where there’s risk, take whatever example, a high speed ride on a motorbike, that you negotiated risk (or whatever obstacles) and survived does pump the feel-good brain chemistry (well, when younger maybe)

does culture sort of promote excitement about its trajectory, momentum, I think for sure it does

is the idea what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger in pop culture, if you will, I believe it is, and is it somewhat powerful at deflecting any thought and ideas that contradict it, i’d reckon it couldn’t be dismissed as totally insignificant

does the idea in survival of the fittest never lend to calibrating some peoples sentiments

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Date: 9/10/2020 17:07:59
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1630606
Subject: re: What is happiness?

The hellscape of social justice and “diversity”.

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Date: 9/10/2020 19:51:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1630758
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Happiness is not watching the News.

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Date: 9/10/2020 19:53:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1630759
Subject: re: What is happiness?

Just accept it and smile. It relaxes your pelvic floor. ;)

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Date: 9/10/2020 19:59:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1630764
Subject: re: What is happiness?

mollwollfumble said:


Happiness is not watching the News.


I don’t know about that. Tonight’s malaise was seeing Buffy’s pedalcar and thinking about how I never had such.Remembering how they wouldn’t let the girls play with the pedalcars in kindergarten. And then realising all my siblings had a bicycle…

Ah. There will always be new regrets and depressive thoughts tomorrow.

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Date: 10/10/2020 02:42:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1630880
Subject: re: What is happiness?

roughbarked said:


Just accept it and smile. It relaxes your pelvic floor. ;)

“Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz smiled very slowly. This was done not so much for effect as because he was trying to remember the sequence of muscle movements.”

Which reminds me, I haven’t been doing my pelvic floor exercises this month.

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