Date: 10/10/2020 13:22:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1631059
Subject: China coronavirus question

Suppose I wanted to find out how China managed to so quickly defeated coronavirus. If possible using information from the internet.

Perhaps from a Chinese language newspaper, but which one? Or government reports?
Given that Taiwan eliminated coronavirus even before mainland China, perhaps look there too?

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Date: 10/10/2020 14:48:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1631121
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

mollwollfumble said:


Suppose I wanted to find out how China managed to so quickly defeated coronavirus. If possible using information from the internet.

Perhaps from a Chinese language newspaper, but which one? Or government reports?
Given that Taiwan eliminated coronavirus even before mainland China, perhaps look there too?

From China Daily (national newspaper), some background.

Top-level biosafety lab begins work By Wang Keju (China Daily) 2018-01-06 07:31

Chinese scientists develop new flu vaccine (Xinhua) 2018-02-17 18:41

27 quarantined in Wuhan due to viral pneumonia. By HOU LIQIANG in Beijing and ZHOU LIHUA in Wuhan (CHINA DAILY) 2020-01-01 07:53

44 infected in Wuhan pneumonia outbreak. By CAO YIN in Beijing and ZHOU LIHUA in Wuhan (CHINA DAILY) 2020-01-04 00:00

Transparency prevents panic in virus case By Zhang Zhouxiang (China Daily) 2020-01-07 07:20

New virus behind pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan By WANG XIAODONG (chinadaily.com.cn) 2020-01-09 08:49

Pneumonia in Wuhan claims first fatality By LI LEI | China Daily | Updated: 2020-01-13 10:55

In summary so far, note that . Wuhan already had a world class virus research facility before the first case, the best such research facility in China – talk about good luck!

the first public announcement was on the 1st Jan 2020. The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission has been a major player, limiting the spread of the virus by closely watching close contacts of sufferers even way back then, and had professionals wearing masks and disinfecting public places from day one. Also on day one, an immediate call for those with fever to come forward. That’s three good medical initiatives on day 1.

Later newspaper reports come from Hong Kong, re-reporting stuff from the mainland. It’s more important to read reports from the mainland, because Hong Kong did a really bad job of containing the outbreak.

It appeared that the virus had been stopped on Jan 2 because no new cases in the whole of China between then and Jan 13. Even so, good medical warnings were issued, the fish market closed down, and 739 people were under medical watch by 13 Jan.

Chinese newspaper image from day 7.

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Date: 10/10/2020 15:50:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1631143
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

mollwollfumble said:

how anyone managed to so quickly defeated coronavirus. If possible using information from anywhere

these aren’t new lessons in epidemiology and public health

they know how to stop pandemics

what’s new is the growing disinformation industry, the absurd levels of self interest and the triumph of politics over expertise

the virus details are different to previous ones obviously but there aren’t any individually new features

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Date: 10/10/2020 18:55:43
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1631203
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

SCIENCE said:


mollwollfumble said:
how anyone managed to so quickly defeated coronavirus. If possible using information from anywhere

these aren’t new lessons in epidemiology and public health

they know how to stop pandemics

what’s new is the growing disinformation industry, the absurd levels of self interest and the triumph of politics over expertise

the virus details are different to previous ones obviously but there aren’t any individually new features

> they know how to stop pandemics

I’m not sure they do. Take day one in Wuhan for instance – I really can’t imagine medical professionals spraying disinfectant around food markets in Australia on the very day that a pneumonia cluster is first discovered.

And this more than 12 days before any person to person transmission is first observed.

Notice how in Wuhan people are told to see a doctor if they have signs of fever, pneumonia, especially fever with breathing difficulty. Correct.
In Australia, people were told to see a doctor if they have a cough, sore throat or headache. Totally farking wrong.

In Wuhan, people start wearing masks from day 1. In Australia we were told not to wear masks, masks were not available. Neither were thermometers.

In Wuhan, 700+ people were under medical supervision while the total number of cases (worldwide) was still only 41.

> the growing disinformation industry, the absurd levels of self interest

I often, very frequently, find it extraordinarily difficult to tell the difference between stupidity and corruption. Let’s take an example, suppose a person involved in vaccine development with a vested interest in one vaccine is cited as a peer reviewer for a paper describing a competitor vaccine. Then the law is set up so that that peer can block the competitor’s vaccine release for more than six weeks simply by giving a bad review of the paper. So that law – was it set up for exactly this purpose, to foster corruption, or was it just set up by a total incompetent?

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Date: 10/10/2020 19:30:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1631219
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

All right, fair point.

The knowledge of how to prevent pandemic disasters is established out there and has been for decades.

Whether authorities and advisers in various countries or states or regions are aware of it, or choose to apply it, we decline to further comment.

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Date: 10/10/2020 19:32:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1631221
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

SCIENCE said:


All right, fair point.

The knowledge of how to prevent pandemic disasters is established out there and has been for decades.

Whether authorities and advisers in various countries or states or regions are aware of it, or choose to apply it, we decline to further comment.

Knowledge certainly but only with the advent of smartphone has constant surveillance and tracking using QR codes made a seemingly perfect contact tracing effort possible in the PRC for example.

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Date: 10/10/2020 21:09:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1631263
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

All right, fair point.

The knowledge of how to prevent pandemic disasters is established out there and has been for decades.

Whether authorities and advisers in various countries or states or regions are aware of it, or choose to apply it, we decline to further comment.

Knowledge certainly but only with the advent of smartphone has constant surveillance and tracking using QR codes made a seemingly perfect contact tracing effort possible in the PRC for example.

to be fair SARS-CoV-1 went away without all that, even if it’s less infective, just old school infection control

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Date: 11/10/2020 22:43:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1631728
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

SCIENCE said:

to be fair SARS-CoV-1 went away without all that, even if it’s less infective, just old school infection control

Or more likely went away for reasons that had nothing at all to do with infection control.

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Date: 11/10/2020 22:57:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1631746
Subject: re: China coronavirus question

mollwollfumble said:


SCIENCE said:

to be fair SARS-CoV-1 went away without all that, even if it’s less infective, just old school infection control

Or more likely went away for reasons that had nothing at all to do with infection control.

¿the upgrade to 3G, the ultraviolet bleaching light, or the deity?

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