Date: 13/10/2020 09:29:07
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632273
Subject: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

http://www.ldonline.org/article/19296/#:~:text=dyslexic%20person%20feel%3F-,Anxiety,by%20the%20inconsistencies%20of%20dyslexia.

Do emotional disorders cause dyslexia?
Research indicates that dyslexia is caused by biological factors not emotional or family problems. Samuel T. Orton, M.D. was one of the first researchers to describe the emotional aspects of dyslexia. According to his research, the majority of dyslexic preschoolers are happy and well adjusted. Their emotional problems begin to develop when early reading instruction does not match their learning style. Over the years, the frustration mounts as classmates surpass the dyslexic student in reading skills. Recent research funded by the National Institute of Health has identified many of the neurological and cognitive differences that contribute to dyslexia. The vast majority of these factors appear to be caused by genetics rather than poor parenting or childhood depression or anxiety.

Why is dyslexia discouraging and frustrating?
The frustration of children with dyslexia often centers on their inability to meet expectations. Their parents and teachers see a bright, enthusiastic child who is not learning to read and write. Time and again, dyslexics and their parents hear, “He’s such a bright child; if only he would try harder.” Ironically, no one knows exactly how hard the dyslexic is trying.

The pain of failing to meet other people’s expectations is surpassed only by dyslexics’ inability to achieve their goals. This is particularly true of those who develop perfectionistic expectations in order to deal with their anxiety. They grow up believing that it is “terrible” to make a mistake.

However, their learning disability, almost by definition means that these children will make many “careless” or “stupid” mistakes. This is extremely frustrating to them, as it makes them feel chronically inadequate.

The dyslexic frequently has problems with social relationships. These can be traced to causes:

Dyslexic children may be physically and socially immature in comparison to their peers. This can lead to a poor self-image and less peer acceptance.
Dyslexics’ social immaturity may make them awkward in social situations.
Many dyslexics have difficulty reading social cues. They may be oblivious to the amount of personal distance necessary in social interactions or insensitive to other people’s body language.
Dyslexia often affects oral language functioning. Affected persons may have trouble finding the right words, may stammer, or may pause before answering direct questions. This puts them at a disadvantage as they enter adolescence, when language becomes more central to their relationships with peers.
My clinical observations lead me to believe that, just as dyslexics have difficulty remembering the sequence of letters or words, they may also have difficulty remembering the order of events. For example, let us look at a normal playground interaction between two children. A dyslexic child takes a toy that belongs to another child, who calls the dyslexic a name. The dyslexic then hits the other child. In relating the experience, the dyslexic child may reverse the sequence of events. He may remember that the other child called him a name, and he then took the toy and hit the other child.

This presents two major difficulties for the dyslexic child. First, it takes him longer to learn from his mistakes. Second, if an adult witnessed the events, and asks the dyslexic child what happened, the child seems to be lying.

Unfortunately, most interactions between children involve not three events, but 15 to 20. With his sequencing and memory problems, the dyslexic may relate a different sequence of events each time he tells the tale. Teachers, parents, and psychologists conclude that he is either psychotic or a pathological liar.

The inconsistencies of dyslexia produce serious challenges in a child’s life. There is a tremendous variability in the student’s individual abilities. Although everyone has strengths and weaknesses, the dyslexic’s are greatly exaggerated. Furthermore, the dyslexic’s strengths and weaknesses may be closely related.

I once worked with a young adult who received a perfect score on the Graduate Record Exam in mathematics. He could do anything with numbers except remember them. The graduate students he tutored in advanced statistics or calculus had great difficulty believing that he could not remember their telephone numbers.

These great variations produce a “roller coaster” effect for dyslexics. At times, they can accomplish tasks far beyond the abilities of their peers. At the next moment, they can be confronted with a task that they cannot accomplish. Many dyslexics call this “walking into black holes.” To deal with these kinds of problems, dyslexics need a thorough understanding of their learning disability. This will help them predict both success and failure. Dyslexics also perform erratically within tasks. That is, their errors are inconsistent. For example, I once asked a dyslexic adult to write a hundred word essay on television violence. As one might expect he misspelled the word “television” five times. However, he misspelled it a different way each time. This type of variation makes remediation more difficult.

Finally, dyslexics’ performance varies from day to day. On some days, reading may come fairly easily. However, another day, they may be barely able to write their own name. This inconsistency is extremely confusing not only to the dyslexic, but also to others in his environment.

Few other handicapping conditions are intermittent in nature. A child in a wheelchair remains there; in fact, if on some days the child can walk, most professionals would consider it a hysterical condition. However, for the dyslexic, performance fluctuates. This makes it extremely difficult for the individual to learn to compensate, because he or she cannot predict the intensity of the symptoms on a given day.

What does the dyslexic person feel?
Anxiety
Anxiety is the most frequent emotional symptom reported by dyslexic adults. Dyslexics become fearful because of their constant frustration and confusion in school. These feelings are exacerbated by the inconsistencies of dyslexia. Because they may anticipate failure, entering new situations can becomes extremely anxiety provoking.

Anxiety causes human beings to avoid whatever frightens them. The dyslexic is no exception. However, many teachers and parents misinterpret this avoidance behavior as laziness. In fact, the dyslexic’s hesitancy to participate in school activities such as homework is related more to anxiety and confusion than to apathy.

Anger
Many of the emotional problems caused by dyslexia occur out of frustration with school or social situations. Social scientists have frequently observed that frustration produces anger. This can be clearly seen in many dyslexics.

The obvious target of the dyslexic’s anger would be schools and teachers. However, it is also common for the dyslexic to vent his anger on his parents. Mothers are particularly likely to feel the dyslexic’s wrath. Often, the child sits on his anger during school to the point of being extremely passive. However, once he is in the safe environment of home, these very powerful feelings erupt and are often directed toward the mother. Ironically, it is the child’s trust of the mother that allows him to vent his anger. However, this becomes very frustrating and confusing to the parent who is desperately trying to help their child.

As youngsters reach adolescence, society expects them to become independent. The tension between the expectation of independence and the child’s learned dependence causes great internal conflicts. The adolescent dyslexic uses his anger to break away from those people on which he feels so dependent.

Because of these factors, it may be difficult for parents to help their teenage dyslexic. Instead, peer tutoring or a concerned young adult may be better able to intervene and help the child.

Self image
The dyslexic’s self–image appears to be extremely vulnerable to frustration and anxiety. According to Erik Erikson, during the first years of school, every child must resolve the conflicts between a positive self–image and feelings of inferiority. If children succeed in school, they will develop positive feelings about themselves and believe that they can succeed in life.

If children meet failure and frustration, they learn that they are inferior to others, and that their effort makes very little difference. Instead of feeling powerful and productive, they learn that their environment controls them. They feel powerless and incompetent.

Researchers have learned that when typical learners succeed, they credit their own efforts for their success. When they fail, they tell themselves to try harder. However, when the dyslexic succeeds, he is likely to attribute his success to luck. When he fails, he simply sees himself as stupid.

Research also suggests that these feelings of inferiority develop by the age of ten. After this age, it becomes extremely difficult to help the child develop a positive self–image. This is a powerful argument for early intervention.

Depression
Depression is also a frequent complication in dyslexia. Although most dyslexics are not depressed, children with this kind of learning disability are at higher risk for intense feelings of sorrow and pain. Perhaps because of their low self–esteem, dyslexics are afraid to turn their anger toward their environment and instead turn it toward themselves.

However, depressed children and adolescents often have different symptoms than do depressed adults. The depressed child is unlikely to be lethargic or to talk about feeling sad. Instead he or she may become more active or misbehave to cover up the painful feelings. In the case of masked depression, the child may not seem obviously unhappy. However, both children and adults who are depressed tend to have three similar characteristics:

First, they tend to have negative thoughts about themselves, i.e. a negative self–image.
Second, they tend to view the world negatively. They are less likely to enjoy the positive experiences in life. This makes it difficult for them to have fun.
Finally, most depressed youngsters have great trouble imagining anything positive about the future. The depressed dyslexic not only experiences great pain in his present experiences, but also foresees a life of continuing failure.
Family problems
Like any handicapping condition, dyslexia has a tremendous impact on the child’s family. However, because dyslexia is an invisible handicap, these effects are often overlooked.

Dyslexia affects the family in a variety of ways. One of the most obvious is sibling rivalry. Non–dyslexic children often feel jealous of the dyslexic child, who gets the majority of the parents’ attention, time, and money. Ironically, the dyslexic child does not want this attention. This increases the chances that he or she will act negatively against the achieving children in the family.

Specific developmental dyslexia runs in families. This means that one or both of the child’s parents may have had similar school problems. When faced with a child who is having school problems, dyslexic parents may react in one of two ways. They may deny the existence of dyslexia and believe if the child would just buckle down, he or she could succeed. Or, the parents may relive their failures and frustrations through their child’s school experience. This brings back powerful and terrifying emotions, which can interfere with the adult’s parenting skills.

How can parents and teachers help?
During the past 25 years, I have interviewed many dyslexic adults. Some have learned to deal successfully with their learning problems, while others have not. My experiences suggest that in addition to factors such as intelligence and socio–economic status, other things affect the dyslexic’s chances for success.

First, early in the child’s life, someone has been extremely supportive and encouraging. Second, the young dyslexic found an area in which he or she could succeed. Finally, successful dyslexics appear to have developed a commitment to helping others.

Both teachers and parents need to offer consistent, ongoing encouragement and support. However, one rarely hears about this very important way to help youngsters.

I believe encouragement involves at least four elements. First, listening to children’s feelings. Anxiety, anger and depression are daily companions for dyslexics. However, their language problems often make it difficult for them to express their feelings. Therefore, adults must help them learn to talk about their feelings.

Teachers and parents must reward effort, not just “the product”. For the dyslexic, grades should be less important than progress.

When confronting unacceptable behavior, adults must not inadvertently discourage the dyslexic child. Words such as “lazy” or “incorrigible” can seriously damage the child’s self–image.

Finally, it is important to help students set realistic goals for themselves. Most dyslexic students set perfectionistic and unattainable goals. By helping the child set an attainable goal, teachers can change the cycle of failure.

Even more important, the child needs to recognize and rejoice in his or her successes. To do so, he or she needs to achieve success in some area of life. In some cases, the dyslexic’s strengths are obvious, and many dyslexics’ self–esteem has been salvaged by prowess in athletics, art, or mechanics. However, the dyslexic’s strengths are often more subtle and less obvious. Parents and teachers need to find ways to relate the child’s interests to the demands of real life.

Finally, many successful dyslexic adults deal with their own pain by reaching out to others. They may do volunteer work for charities or churches, or choose vocations that require empathy and a social conscience. These experiences help dyslexics feel more positive about themselves and deal more effectively with their pain and frustration.

Many opportunities exist in our schools, homes and churches for dyslexics to help others. One important area is peer tutoring. If dyslexic students do well in math or science, they can be asked to tutor a classmate who is struggling.

Perhaps that student can reciprocate as a reader for the dyslexic student. Tutoring younger children, especially other dyslexics, can be a positive experience for everyone involved.

Helping dyslexics feel better about themselves and deal effectively with their feelings is a complex task.

First, caring adults must understand the cognitive and affective problems caused by dyslexia. Then they must design strategies that will help the dyslexic, like every other child, to find joy and success in academics and personal relationships.

About the author
Dr. Michael Ryan is a psychologist with a private practice in Grand Rapids, MI. He specializes in working with people with learning disabilities. A dyslexic himself, Dr. Ryan is a past president of the Michigan Branch of the International Dyslexia Association (IDA) and a former national vice president of IDA.

Ryan, Michael. Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia. International Dyslexia Association Fact Sheet series. © Copyright 2004, The International Dyslexia Association (IDA). IDA encourages the reproduction and distribution of this fact sheet. If portions of the text are cited, appropriate reference must be made. Fact sheets may not be reprinted for the purpose of resale.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:39:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1632276
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

Thanks. I’ll hand that on to Mrs rb but she probably already has it.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:40:54
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632277
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

In my opinion it would make good sense to provide more education support in this area. Testing all children for dyslexia before starting school and be an across the board pre-school screening test. I have noticed a common thread with some boys who have struggled with dyslexia and issues with anger management and social well being development has been affected.

I have also noticed some male offenders have had dyslexia. My hypothesis is that when opportunities for generating income and further education is capped that some of these children have grown up and made choices to make a career in main stream didn’t happen and I do wonder whether it was a catalyst for a life path that didn’t end well.

It is easy to understand not having access to simple tools like language and basic literacy tools can have profound affects on some people.

Of course some people with dyslexia manage life and stuff and go on to have great careers like Virgin’s boss.

If intervention can curb the others that slipped through the cracks , it seems sensible to explore this further for that reason.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:42:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1632278
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


In my opinion it would make good sense to provide more education support in this area. Testing all children for dyslexia before starting school and be an across the board pre-school screening test. I have noticed a common thread with some boys who have struggled with dyslexia and issues with anger management and social well being development has been affected.

I have also noticed some male offenders have had dyslexia. My hypothesis is that when opportunities for generating income and further education is capped that some of these children have grown up and made choices to make a career in main stream didn’t happen and I do wonder whether it was a catalyst for a life path that didn’t end well.

It is easy to understand not having access to simple tools like language and basic literacy tools can have profound affects on some people.

Of course some people with dyslexia manage life and stuff and go on to have great careers like Virgin’s boss.

If intervention can curb the others that slipped through the cracks , it seems sensible to explore this further for that reason.

It has been what Mrs rb has been doing for many years.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:44:37
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632280
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

roughbarked said:


Thanks. I’ll hand that on to Mrs rb but she probably already has it.

It’s a broad subject and I find most people who aren’t close to the topic have one idea of what dyslexia is , where as it is like other learning challenges and varies from one person to another.

For example, some people can read but not reform the letters into text to be able to write or fill out forms. Some dyslexics can’t decipher the letters to read text and therefore not able to write letters as two examples.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:45:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1632282
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

Thanks. I’ll hand that on to Mrs rb but she probably already has it.

It’s a broad subject and I find most people who aren’t close to the topic have one idea of what dyslexia is , where as it is like other learning challenges and varies from one person to another.

For example, some people can read but not reform the letters into text to be able to write or fill out forms. Some dyslexics can’t decipher the letters to read text and therefore not able to write letters as two examples.

Yes.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:45:41
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632283
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

roughbarked said:


monkey skipper said:

In my opinion it would make good sense to provide more education support in this area. Testing all children for dyslexia before starting school and be an across the board pre-school screening test. I have noticed a common thread with some boys who have struggled with dyslexia and issues with anger management and social well being development has been affected.

I have also noticed some male offenders have had dyslexia. My hypothesis is that when opportunities for generating income and further education is capped that some of these children have grown up and made choices to make a career in main stream didn’t happen and I do wonder whether it was a catalyst for a life path that didn’t end well.

It is easy to understand not having access to simple tools like language and basic literacy tools can have profound affects on some people.

Of course some people with dyslexia manage life and stuff and go on to have great careers like Virgin’s boss.

If intervention can curb the others that slipped through the cracks , it seems sensible to explore this further for that reason.

It has been what Mrs rb has been doing for many years.

A paediatrician once said to me that prisons are full of children that slipped through the net for support with learning disorders.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:46:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1632285
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

In my opinion it would make good sense to provide more education support in this area. Testing all children for dyslexia before starting school and be an across the board pre-school screening test. I have noticed a common thread with some boys who have struggled with dyslexia and issues with anger management and social well being development has been affected.

I have also noticed some male offenders have had dyslexia. My hypothesis is that when opportunities for generating income and further education is capped that some of these children have grown up and made choices to make a career in main stream didn’t happen and I do wonder whether it was a catalyst for a life path that didn’t end well.

It is easy to understand not having access to simple tools like language and basic literacy tools can have profound affects on some people.

Of course some people with dyslexia manage life and stuff and go on to have great careers like Virgin’s boss.

If intervention can curb the others that slipped through the cracks , it seems sensible to explore this further for that reason.

It has been what Mrs rb has been doing for many years.

A paediatrician once said to me that prisons are full of children that slipped through the net for support with learning disorders.

It would be good if primary school teachers were required to be pediatricians.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:52:27
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632289
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

roughbarked said:


monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

It has been what Mrs rb has been doing for many years.

A paediatrician once said to me that prisons are full of children that slipped through the net for support with learning disorders.

It would be good if primary school teachers were required to be paediatricians.

They don’t need to be, for the reason re-visiting the pre-screening system could detect most learning disorders with specialists in the sector re-designing pre-screening tests in conjunction with clinic nurses , GP’s and early interventions centres nationally.

Children should be screened before entering high school as well to see if anything was missed before entering the more complex school subject workloads as they know children that struggle can also then be affected by mental health challenges at this point or develop behavioural challenges.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:54:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1632291
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

A paediatrician once said to me that prisons are full of children that slipped through the net for support with learning disorders.

It would be good if primary school teachers were required to be paediatricians.

They don’t need to be, for the reason re-visiting the pre-screening system could detect most learning disorders with specialists in the sector re-designing pre-screening tests in conjunction with clinic nurses , GP’s and early interventions centres nationally.

Children should be screened before entering high school as well to see if anything was missed before entering the more complex school subject workloads as they know children that struggle can also then be affected by mental health challenges at this point or develop behavioural challenges.

I did say that a bit tongue in cheek. Yes. At least in the schools Mrs rb has worked, this screening is more effective. Don’t know about others.

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Date: 13/10/2020 09:59:44
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632297
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

roughbarked said:


monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

It would be good if primary school teachers were required to be paediatricians.

They don’t need to be, for the reason re-visiting the pre-screening system could detect most learning disorders with specialists in the sector re-designing pre-screening tests in conjunction with clinic nurses , GP’s and early interventions centres nationally.

Children should be screened before entering high school as well to see if anything was missed before entering the more complex school subject workloads as they know children that struggle can also then be affected by mental health challenges at this point or develop behavioural challenges.

I did say that a bit tongue in cheek. Yes. At least in the schools Mrs rb has worked, this screening is more effective. Don’t know about others.

For literacy and language detection at 18month- 2 years is better. 2 to 7 year to pick up what’s going on but ideally before school is optimal. The brain is more plastine the younger the child is although that area is not a closed book because they are still learning if we digressed to brain injuries like for stroke but I won’t digress there for this subject.

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Date: 13/10/2020 10:05:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1632298
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

They don’t need to be, for the reason re-visiting the pre-screening system could detect most learning disorders with specialists in the sector re-designing pre-screening tests in conjunction with clinic nurses , GP’s and early interventions centres nationally.

Children should be screened before entering high school as well to see if anything was missed before entering the more complex school subject workloads as they know children that struggle can also then be affected by mental health challenges at this point or develop behavioural challenges.

I did say that a bit tongue in cheek. Yes. At least in the schools Mrs rb has worked, this screening is more effective. Don’t know about others.

For literacy and language detection at 18month- 2 years is better. 2 to 7 year to pick up what’s going on but ideally before school is optimal. The brain is more plastine the younger the child is although that area is not a closed book because they are still learning if we digressed to brain injuries like for stroke but I won’t digress there for this subject.

Mrs rb detected problems very early with our first child and took action straight away.
There is no proof but he had a three day fight to get out the birth canal and was dragged out with forceps.
He ended up topping his state in maths and science.

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Date: 13/10/2020 10:09:17
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632299
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

roughbarked said:


monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

I did say that a bit tongue in cheek. Yes. At least in the schools Mrs rb has worked, this screening is more effective. Don’t know about others.

For literacy and language detection at 18month- 2 years is better. 2 to 7 year to pick up what’s going on but ideally before school is optimal. The brain is more plastine the younger the child is although that area is not a closed book because they are still learning if we digressed to brain injuries like for stroke but I won’t digress there for this subject.

Mrs rb detected problems very early with our first child and took action straight away.
There is no proof but he had a three day fight to get out the birth canal and was dragged out with forceps.
He ended up topping his state in maths and science.

For sure , having dyslexia doesn’t the person isn’t smart!!

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Date: 13/10/2020 10:42:37
From: transition
ID: 1632315
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

there’s as many types of dyslexia as there are dyslexics, if you really went to individual examples and expression, of course it’s a word, handle, and its brutal predecessors have a long association with variously abuses, from back in the day when views of neurological structure (development of), the formal theories related were in fact retarded, as popular notions related and derived from often were, influenced by ideology, not that all ideology is bad, be sure though a lot of it is terrible, and a lot was terrible. If a human can expediently simplify, and limit abstraction of the possible negative consequences simultaneously, they too often do, it’s something of a species-wide gift

the concept of dumb has long lent to behavior controls, both formal and informal behavior controls, turns out though humans are more generally dumb than was ever thought possible, in fact the proposition of consciousness itself has problems, it really only just works with a lot of patches for even the apparently smarter examples of the species

an absence of ease of certain types of processing, whatever, let’s say take something not so usually commonly associated with dyslexia, like directions, east, west, south, north, it could take half a lifetime to get the idea the sun sets in the west and automatically make that association, associate west, the word west, with the physical direction in that. Or, if I say the toilet is down the end of the passageway to the left, that may not be very helpful to some dyslexics

these differences in processing are life changing challenges, profoundly so

the people that endure the challenges (distortions in ways) variously compensate, but there’s an added dimensions of complexity, and that added complexity can go different ways, depending on how understanding and helpful the people around them are, how accommodating

mostly I reckon education is screening for dyslexia and offering support, has been for a decade maybe or more, and doing a good job of it, in fact you can see it, it’s evident, the kids are quite sensitive, thoughtful, thanks to more individualized support

imagine the human mind, loaded with an array of mental tools that by some accident of evolution increase social and cultural receptivity, learning receptivity, and of all that the neural unfolding or branching is highly varied off the bat, into the early twenties brain structure is developing, but consider the possible frustration and further difficulties if the force/s of culture, through chrono-developmental expectations, or mind over matter, or denial of structure, cultural determinism, or whatever, the potential problems from those, and there are more

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Date: 13/10/2020 14:39:49
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632426
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

transition said:


there’s as many types of dyslexia as there are dyslexics, if you really went to individual examples and expression, of course it’s a word, handle, and its brutal predecessors have a long association with variously abuses, from back in the day when views of neurological structure (development of), the formal theories related were in fact retarded, as popular notions related and derived from often were, influenced by ideology, not that all ideology is bad, be sure though a lot of it is terrible, and a lot was terrible. If a human can expediently simplify, and limit abstraction of the possible negative consequences simultaneously, they too often do, it’s something of a species-wide gift

the concept of dumb has long lent to behavior controls, both formal and informal behavior controls, turns out though humans are more generally dumb than was ever thought possible, in fact the proposition of consciousness itself has problems, it really only just works with a lot of patches for even the apparently smarter examples of the species

an absence of ease of certain types of processing, whatever, let’s say take something not so usually commonly associated with dyslexia, like directions, east, west, south, north, it could take half a lifetime to get the idea the sun sets in the west and automatically make that association, associate west, the word west, with the physical direction in that. Or, if I say the toilet is down the end of the passageway to the left, that may not be very helpful to some dyslexics

these differences in processing are life changing challenges, profoundly so

the people that endure the challenges (distortions in ways) variously compensate, but there’s an added dimensions of complexity, and that added complexity can go different ways, depending on how understanding and helpful the people around them are, how accommodating

mostly I reckon education is screening for dyslexia and offering support, has been for a decade maybe or more, and doing a good job of it, in fact you can see it, it’s evident, the kids are quite sensitive, thoughtful, thanks to more individualized support

imagine the human mind, loaded with an array of mental tools that by some accident of evolution increase social and cultural receptivity, learning receptivity, and of all that the neural unfolding or branching is highly varied off the bat, into the early twenties brain structure is developing, but consider the possible frustration and further difficulties if the force/s of culture, through chrono-developmental expectations, or mind over matter, or denial of structure, cultural determinism, or whatever, the potential problems from those, and there are more

Children with visual and auditory discrimination problems need earlier detection as this issue is usually at the cognitive level , the tests needs to widen to detect earlier. It makes sense to widen the screening mechanisms.

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Date: 13/10/2020 14:56:00
From: transition
ID: 1632438
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

>Children with visual and auditory discrimination problems need earlier detection as this issue is usually at the cognitive level , the tests needs to widen to detect earlier. It makes sense to widen the screening mechanisms.

well softly kindly, more of an informal thing of the professionals in education

consider the prospect of overly enthusiastically, aggressively looking for neurological difference, structural difference by screening, that’d be quite an incursion into the soft reality, the essential soft reality that is mind, social dimension related

I mean consider the more extreme possibility, of (societal) patching structural differences, objectives of conformity from that

and often these things land in the non-professional mind in not entirely kind ways

imagine forces of culture looking for neuro-atypicalities, which to some extent is already happening

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Date: 13/10/2020 14:59:41
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632439
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

transition said:


>Children with visual and auditory discrimination problems need earlier detection as this issue is usually at the cognitive level , the tests needs to widen to detect earlier. It makes sense to widen the screening mechanisms.

well softly kindly, more of an informal thing of the professionals in education

consider the prospect of overly enthusiastically, aggressively looking for neurological difference, structural difference by screening, that’d be quite an incursion into the soft reality, the essential soft reality that is mind, social dimension related

I mean consider the more extreme possibility, of (societal) patching structural differences, objectives of conformity from that

and often these things land in the non-professional mind in not entirely kind ways

imagine forces of culture looking for neuro-atypicalities, which to some extent is already happening

imagine continuing along the same path that people fall through to cracks of this current system or considering something more…

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Date: 13/10/2020 14:59:50
From: Cymek
ID: 1632440
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

transition said:


>Children with visual and auditory discrimination problems need earlier detection as this issue is usually at the cognitive level , the tests needs to widen to detect earlier. It makes sense to widen the screening mechanisms.

well softly kindly, more of an informal thing of the professionals in education

consider the prospect of overly enthusiastically, aggressively looking for neurological difference, structural difference by screening, that’d be quite an incursion into the soft reality, the essential soft reality that is mind, social dimension related

I mean consider the more extreme possibility, of (societal) patching structural differences, objectives of conformity from that

and often these things land in the non-professional mind in not entirely kind ways

imagine forces of culture looking for neuro-atypicalities, which to some extent is already happening

Its somewhat insulting being different to the norm considered a detriment/abnormality especially as the “norm” isn’t/hasn’t done a very good job

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Date: 13/10/2020 15:01:41
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632441
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

Cymek said:


transition said:

>Children with visual and auditory discrimination problems need earlier detection as this issue is usually at the cognitive level , the tests needs to widen to detect earlier. It makes sense to widen the screening mechanisms.

well softly kindly, more of an informal thing of the professionals in education

consider the prospect of overly enthusiastically, aggressively looking for neurological difference, structural difference by screening, that’d be quite an incursion into the soft reality, the essential soft reality that is mind, social dimension related

I mean consider the more extreme possibility, of (societal) patching structural differences, objectives of conformity from that

and often these things land in the non-professional mind in not entirely kind ways

imagine forces of culture looking for neuro-atypicalities, which to some extent is already happening

Its somewhat insulting being different to the norm considered a detriment/abnormality especially as the “norm” isn’t/hasn’t done a very good job

I find children cope better when they know why something had been difficult to do and having someone tell them there are some tools to make this easier.

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Date: 13/10/2020 15:02:10
From: transition
ID: 1632442
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


transition said:

>Children with visual and auditory discrimination problems need earlier detection as this issue is usually at the cognitive level , the tests needs to widen to detect earlier. It makes sense to widen the screening mechanisms.

well softly kindly, more of an informal thing of the professionals in education

consider the prospect of overly enthusiastically, aggressively looking for neurological difference, structural difference by screening, that’d be quite an incursion into the soft reality, the essential soft reality that is mind, social dimension related

I mean consider the more extreme possibility, of (societal) patching structural differences, objectives of conformity from that

and often these things land in the non-professional mind in not entirely kind ways

imagine forces of culture looking for neuro-atypicalities, which to some extent is already happening

imagine continuing along the same path that people fall through to cracks of this current system or considering something more…

my point was too much enthusiasm for a system could evolve a dystolerance of difference

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Date: 13/10/2020 15:03:23
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632444
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

transition said:


monkey skipper said:

transition said:

>Children with visual and auditory discrimination problems need earlier detection as this issue is usually at the cognitive level , the tests needs to widen to detect earlier. It makes sense to widen the screening mechanisms.

well softly kindly, more of an informal thing of the professionals in education

consider the prospect of overly enthusiastically, aggressively looking for neurological difference, structural difference by screening, that’d be quite an incursion into the soft reality, the essential soft reality that is mind, social dimension related

I mean consider the more extreme possibility, of (societal) patching structural differences, objectives of conformity from that

and often these things land in the non-professional mind in not entirely kind ways

imagine forces of culture looking for neuro-atypicalities, which to some extent is already happening

imagine continuing along the same path that people fall through to cracks of this current system or considering something more…

my point was too much enthusiasm for a system could evolve a dystolerance of difference

I think what is more important is giving options and choices.

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Date: 13/10/2020 15:41:01
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1632464
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

I can recognise a great deal of myself in that assessment, but obviously people go off in tangents depending of experiences, although the basics remain although often hidden.

In my youth Dyslectic was not a known or recognised ailment and kids just had to survive as well as they could, I went to the library and read the simple books in the children’s section, which at least gave me the rudiments of reading, although my spelling was atrocious and I was always at or near the bottom in English, but at or near the top at Maths. Dyslexia force those inflected to live a very difficult and frustrating lifestyle as they are given no credit for their affliction.

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Date: 13/10/2020 16:37:01
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632507
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

PermeateFree said:


I can recognise a great deal of myself in that assessment, but obviously people go off in tangents depending of experiences, although the basics remain although often hidden.

In my youth Dyslectic was not a known or recognised ailment and kids just had to survive as well as they could, I went to the library and read the simple books in the children’s section, which at least gave me the rudiments of reading, although my spelling was atrocious and I was always at or near the bottom in English, but at or near the top at Maths. Dyslexia force those inflected to live a very difficult and frustrating lifestyle as they are given no credit for their affliction.

I would hope that kids with dyslexia have their strengths recognised so they are offered opportunities foe growth in those areas as those feelings of success would make it easier to believe they are great minds as well when growing up.

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Date: 13/10/2020 16:44:17
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1632527
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


PermeateFree said:

I can recognise a great deal of myself in that assessment, but obviously people go off in tangents depending of experiences, although the basics remain although often hidden.

In my youth Dyslectic was not a known or recognised ailment and kids just had to survive as well as they could, I went to the library and read the simple books in the children’s section, which at least gave me the rudiments of reading, although my spelling was atrocious and I was always at or near the bottom in English, but at or near the top at Maths. Dyslexia force those inflected to live a very difficult and frustrating lifestyle as they are given no credit for their affliction.

I would hope that kids with dyslexia have their strengths recognised so they are offered opportunities foe growth in those areas as those feelings of success would make it easier to believe they are great minds as well when growing up.

The only way they will think they have succeeded is for them to find an area they have a strong natural interest, where they are stimulated to succeed to higher levels well above average.

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Date: 13/10/2020 17:02:08
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632562
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

PermeateFree said:


monkey skipper said:

PermeateFree said:

I can recognise a great deal of myself in that assessment, but obviously people go off in tangents depending of experiences, although the basics remain although often hidden.

In my youth Dyslectic was not a known or recognised ailment and kids just had to survive as well as they could, I went to the library and read the simple books in the children’s section, which at least gave me the rudiments of reading, although my spelling was atrocious and I was always at or near the bottom in English, but at or near the top at Maths. Dyslexia force those inflected to live a very difficult and frustrating lifestyle as they are given no credit for their affliction.

I would hope that kids with dyslexia have their strengths recognised so they are offered opportunities foe growth in those areas as those feelings of success would make it easier to believe they are great minds as well when growing up.

The only way they will think they have succeeded is for them to find an area they have a strong natural interest, where they are stimulated to succeed to higher levels well above average.

You can do an aptitude test to find out what areas they score highly in and that often can give a clue because as you are probably aware a parent’s strength and interest might not be similar to a child and in some cases parents don’t offer access to experience that a child may need because it doesn’t occur to anyone to do so and being made aware can help. Kids can naturally find their thing but it might not be in their environment to access sometimes.

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Date: 13/10/2020 17:11:29
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1632581
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


PermeateFree said:

monkey skipper said:

I would hope that kids with dyslexia have their strengths recognised so they are offered opportunities foe growth in those areas as those feelings of success would make it easier to believe they are great minds as well when growing up.

The only way they will think they have succeeded is for them to find an area they have a strong natural interest, where they are stimulated to succeed to higher levels well above average.

You can do an aptitude test to find out what areas they score highly in and that often can give a clue because as you are probably aware a parent’s strength and interest might not be similar to a child and in some cases parents don’t offer access to experience that a child may need because it doesn’t occur to anyone to do so and being made aware can help. Kids can naturally find their thing but it might not be in their environment to access sometimes.

I didn’t find mine until my late twenties.

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Date: 13/10/2020 17:17:40
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1632587
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

PermeateFree said:


monkey skipper said:

PermeateFree said:

The only way they will think they have succeeded is for them to find an area they have a strong natural interest, where they are stimulated to succeed to higher levels well above average.

You can do an aptitude test to find out what areas they score highly in and that often can give a clue because as you are probably aware a parent’s strength and interest might not be similar to a child and in some cases parents don’t offer access to experience that a child may need because it doesn’t occur to anyone to do so and being made aware can help. Kids can naturally find their thing but it might not be in their environment to access sometimes.

I didn’t find mine until my late twenties.

Yep. I think I was lucky to have access to extended family because some of my interests were met by having access to people in certain industries that opened doors to interests I would not have considered otherwise.

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Date: 13/10/2020 17:23:47
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1632591
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

monkey skipper said:


PermeateFree said:

monkey skipper said:

You can do an aptitude test to find out what areas they score highly in and that often can give a clue because as you are probably aware a parent’s strength and interest might not be similar to a child and in some cases parents don’t offer access to experience that a child may need because it doesn’t occur to anyone to do so and being made aware can help. Kids can naturally find their thing but it might not be in their environment to access sometimes.

I didn’t find mine until my late twenties.

Yep. I think I was lucky to have access to extended family because some of my interests were met by having access to people in certain industries that opened doors to interests I would not have considered otherwise.

Having doors opened and making yourself available to new experiences, plus the luck is all a must. Sitting at home will seldom take you anywhere.

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Date: 13/10/2020 19:45:46
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1632726
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

> Research indicates that dyslexia is caused by biological factors not emotional or family problems.

Agree.

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Date: 13/10/2020 19:51:57
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1632734
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

> Research indicates that dyslexia is caused by biological factors not emotional or family problems.

Agree.

> Dyslexic children may be physically and socially immature in comparison to their peers.

Or the exact opposite. Those who don’t have dyslexia can be stigmatised as nerds and geeks and so end up being shunted out of the social hierarchy. Whereas those who can’t read or write easily find no impediment to social advancement.

I only know two dyslexics who admit to being dyslectic – and both are much higher up the social hierarchy than I am.

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Date: 14/10/2020 05:23:48
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1632882
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

PermeateFree said:

The only way they will think they have succeeded is for them to find an area they have a strong natural interest, where they are stimulated to succeed to higher levels well above average.

That makes sense. Of the two dyslexics I know who have come out of the closet, one has completed a town planning and a law degree.

The other was for a time head of research (one level below chief) in a CSIRO division. He was/is a prolific science writer with at least one award for the quality of his science writing. He has a secretary to quietly correct his execrable spelling. That’s why people have secretaries, isn’t it? His dyslexia extends to mathematics, but needing to understand the maths he struggles through.

I wonder what percentage of people have dyslexia. Check web.

“A staggering 5 to 15 percent of Americans—14.5 to 43.5 million children and adults—have dyslexia, a learning disability that makes it difficult to read, write, and spell, no matter how hard the person tries or how intelligent he or she is.”

How the heck can they not know whether the figure is 5% or 15%?

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Date: 14/10/2020 08:54:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1632893
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

mollwollfumble said:


PermeateFree said:

The only way they will think they have succeeded is for them to find an area they have a strong natural interest, where they are stimulated to succeed to higher levels well above average.

That makes sense. Of the two dyslexics I know who have come out of the closet, one has completed a town planning and a law degree.

The other was for a time head of research (one level below chief) in a CSIRO division. He was/is a prolific science writer with at least one award for the quality of his science writing. He has a secretary to quietly correct his execrable spelling. That’s why people have secretaries, isn’t it? His dyslexia extends to mathematics, but needing to understand the maths he struggles through.

I wonder what percentage of people have dyslexia. Check web.

“A staggering 5 to 15 percent of Americans—14.5 to 43.5 million children and adults—have dyslexia, a learning disability that makes it difficult to read, write, and spell, no matter how hard the person tries or how intelligent he or she is.”

How the heck can they not know whether the figure is 5% or 15%?

That seems like a reasonable question.

You OK? :)

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Date: 14/10/2020 08:54:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1632894
Subject: re: Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia

mollwollfumble said:


PermeateFree said:

The only way they will think they have succeeded is for them to find an area they have a strong natural interest, where they are stimulated to succeed to higher levels well above average.

That makes sense. Of the two dyslexics I know who have come out of the closet, one has completed a town planning and a law degree.

The other was for a time head of research (one level below chief) in a CSIRO division. He was/is a prolific science writer with at least one award for the quality of his science writing. He has a secretary to quietly correct his execrable spelling. That’s why people have secretaries, isn’t it? His dyslexia extends to mathematics, but needing to understand the maths he struggles through.

I wonder what percentage of people have dyslexia. Check web.

“A staggering 5 to 15 percent of Americans—14.5 to 43.5 million children and adults—have dyslexia, a learning disability that makes it difficult to read, write, and spell, no matter how hard the person tries or how intelligent he or she is.”

How the heck can they not know whether the figure is 5% or 15%?

That seems like a reasonable question.

You OK? :)

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