Here, have a new one.
NSW seems to be bouncing along the bottom a bit with numbers.
mollwollfumble said:
What are the Odds?What are the odds that coronavirus led to an excess of mortality in parts of Europe last year but nobody noticed? Mistaking it for normal viral pneumonia. eg. in Italy, where it was known to exist from wastewater samples.
unsurprising probability
from time to time there have been reports of retrospective testing finding virus long before the outbreak
generally they get dismissed as West Taiwanese propaganda but that may not be the safest interpretation
buffy said:
NSW seems to be bouncing along the bottom a bit with numbers.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-13/nsw-locally-acquired-coronavirus-cases-rise-by-seven/12760558
all it took was a sudden end to the 0 run, for testing to fire up again, and surprise surprise when you test you get cases
If nothing else is taken away from the coronavirus the world can at least say international cooperation, sensible government/leaders , individual and group responsibility and level headiness prevailed
Cymek said:
If nothing else is taken away from the coronavirus the world can at least say international cooperation, sensible government/leaders , individual and group responsibility and level headiness prevailed
LOL
Cymek said:
If nothing else is taken away from the coronavirus the world can at least say international cooperation, sensible government/leaders , individual and group responsibility and level headiness prevailed
Kumbayah.
so what’s the go with Israel, have they reached herd immunity
SCIENCE said:
so what’s the go with Israel, have they reached herd immunity
God is protecting them.
dv said:
Classic put down of the European festival.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Classic put down of the European festival.
Mathias Cormann must be rolling in his grave
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Classic put down of the European festival.
Mathias Cormann must be rolling in his grave
probably rising from it to walk the earth again.
London (CNN)There was a time when Boris Johnson claimed his government was following the science at every step of its plan for dealing with the coronavirus.
But as the number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the UK soars once more, and the country braces for a long, miserable winter, the British Prime Minister appears to be at odds with those same advisers he once placed front and center of the pandemic response.
His Chief Medical Officer on Monday night poured a bucket of very cold water over his latest plans to tackle a worrying upturn in the spread of the coronavirus in the UK. And On Tuesday he was facing further criticism after it emerged that his group of top scientific advisers recommended three weeks ago a significantly tougher package of measures than even he now plans.
Johnson, it seems, is trapped by his bitterly divided Conservative Party — faced down by the hawks, such as his finance minister Rishi Sunak, who want to keep the economy as open as possible and doves, who think tough measures now would be better in the longer run.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/13/uk/boris-johnson-versus-scientific-advice-intl-gbr/index.html
dv said:
London (CNN)There was a time when Boris Johnson claimed his government was following the science at every step of its plan for dealing with the coronavirus.But as the number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the UK soars once more, and the country braces for a long, miserable winter, the British Prime Minister appears to be at odds with those same advisers he once placed front and center of the pandemic response.
His Chief Medical Officer on Monday night poured a bucket of very cold water over his latest plans to tackle a worrying upturn in the spread of the coronavirus in the UK. And On Tuesday he was facing further criticism after it emerged that his group of top scientific advisers recommended three weeks ago a significantly tougher package of measures than even he now plans.
Johnson, it seems, is trapped by his bitterly divided Conservative Party — faced down by the hawks, such as his finance minister Rishi Sunak, who want to keep the economy as open as possible and doves, who think tough measures now would be better in the longer run.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/13/uk/boris-johnson-versus-scientific-advice-intl-gbr/index.html
uh how do the hawkdove metaphors apply in this space
dv said:
London (CNN)There was a time when Boris Johnson claimed his government was following the science at every step of its plan for dealing with the coronavirus.But as the number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the UK soars once more, and the country braces for a long, miserable winter, the British Prime Minister appears to be at odds with those same advisers he once placed front and center of the pandemic response.
His Chief Medical Officer on Monday night poured a bucket of very cold water over his latest plans to tackle a worrying upturn in the spread of the coronavirus in the UK. And On Tuesday he was facing further criticism after it emerged that his group of top scientific advisers recommended three weeks ago a significantly tougher package of measures than even he now plans.
Johnson, it seems, is trapped by his bitterly divided Conservative Party — faced down by the hawks, such as his finance minister Rishi Sunak, who want to keep the economy as open as possible and doves, who think tough measures now would be better in the longer run.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/13/uk/boris-johnson-versus-scientific-advice-intl-gbr/index.html
It make me think of that bit in Age of Empires where you kill off the peasants to make more specialists.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
London (CNN)There was a time when Boris Johnson claimed his government was following the science at every step of its plan for dealing with the coronavirus.But as the number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in the UK soars once more, and the country braces for a long, miserable winter, the British Prime Minister appears to be at odds with those same advisers he once placed front and center of the pandemic response.
His Chief Medical Officer on Monday night poured a bucket of very cold water over his latest plans to tackle a worrying upturn in the spread of the coronavirus in the UK. And On Tuesday he was facing further criticism after it emerged that his group of top scientific advisers recommended three weeks ago a significantly tougher package of measures than even he now plans.
Johnson, it seems, is trapped by his bitterly divided Conservative Party — faced down by the hawks, such as his finance minister Rishi Sunak, who want to keep the economy as open as possible and doves, who think tough measures now would be better in the longer run.https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/13/uk/boris-johnson-versus-scientific-advice-intl-gbr/index.html
uh how do the hawkdove metaphors apply in this space
I think it is a poor metaphor. The radical reopeners are more like appeasers on the war with the virus.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
so what’s the go with Israel, have they reached herd immunity
God is protecting them.
maybe
https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1313831721981415428
shepherding the flock to immunity indeed
From those filthy tories at ‘The Age’:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/dan-andrews-leadership-is-buckling-under-its-own-weight-20201013-p564pu.html
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.
Fucken prick.
Rule 303 said:
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.Fucken prick.
Did he pay the fines?
Rule 303 said:
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.Fucken prick.
I wonder if they have the same Look At Me! mentality as some arsonists.
roughbarked said:
Rule 303 said:
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.Fucken prick.
Did he pay the fines?
Dunno. It’s been referred to Police.
Rule 303 said:
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.Fucken prick.
Bloody.
A perfect example of the arrogant and thoughtless types that cause the problems for everyone else.
Mr Richard Sole.
R. Sole…
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Yeah.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Yeah.
^
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
Yeah.
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
And no one took responsibility for poor enforcement of the quarantine until it was already out of hand.
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
And no one took responsibility for poor enforcement of the quarantine until it was already out of hand.
True but if you are playing the blame game then blame all parties not just forget a major player to prove a point
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
And no one took responsibility for poor enforcement of the quarantine until it was already out of hand.
True but if you are playing the blame game then blame all parties not just forget a major player to prove a point
The major player is getting the blame.
Rule 303 said:
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.Fucken prick.
I reckon I read somewhere that a woman was forcibly confined because they thought she would be a spreader. Perhaps this bloke needs similar confining, beginning his isolation all over again from now. For the added inconvenience. As well as whatever fines are applicable.
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
This, a million times this. And there should be a law suit for breach of contract.
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
And no one took responsibility for poor enforcement of the quarantine until it was already out of hand.
Wait! How could you know enforcement was poor until the bug did get out? You contract the job out to the biggest security firms in the state who are government approved firms, and you write the contract properly. I presume, because no-one has mentioned it not being in the contract, that they were hired for quarantine work, and I suspect they did know it was for quarantine work, because, well, it was for quarantine work. They signed up to provide proper quarantine.
buffy has my vote.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
And no one took responsibility for poor enforcement of the quarantine until it was already out of hand.
Wait! How could you know enforcement was poor until the bug did get out? You contract the job out to the biggest security firms in the state who are government approved firms, and you write the contract properly. I presume, because no-one has mentioned it not being in the contract, that they were hired for quarantine work, and I suspect they did know it was for quarantine work, because, well, it was for quarantine work. They signed up to provide proper quarantine.
Several people at the hotels expressed concerns from the beginning.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
This, a million times this. And there should be a law suit for breach of contract.
And a class action against the government.
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
IIIRC, WA uses private security. No significant problems there.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.Fucken prick.
I reckon I read somewhere that a woman was forcibly confined because they thought she would be a spreader. Perhaps this bloke needs similar confining, beginning his isolation all over again from now. For the added inconvenience. As well as whatever fines are applicable.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And no one took responsibility for poor enforcement of the quarantine until it was already out of hand.
Wait! How could you know enforcement was poor until the bug did get out? You contract the job out to the biggest security firms in the state who are government approved firms, and you write the contract properly. I presume, because no-one has mentioned it not being in the contract, that they were hired for quarantine work, and I suspect they did know it was for quarantine work, because, well, it was for quarantine work. They signed up to provide proper quarantine.
Several people at the hotels expressed concerns from the beginning.
But people at the hotels were not happy about being quarantined in the beginning. It would have been very difficult to pick out the vexatious ones at that point in time.
Tamb said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
It would appear the bloke who caused the outbreak in Kilmore has also caused outbreaks in Benalla and Shepparton, where he has done a bunch of stuff he wasn’t allowed to do in Melbourne, and then didn’t tell the contract tracers even after the Kilmore outbreak came to light.Fucken prick.
I reckon I read somewhere that a woman was forcibly confined because they thought she would be a spreader. Perhaps this bloke needs similar confining, beginning his isolation all over again from now. For the added inconvenience. As well as whatever fines are applicable.
I think all isolation should be on Manus Island.
There is a perfectly good facility on Christmas Island which was re-opened for just one family. And they are still there as far as I know. It’s wasteful not to be using it.
But as Rule and I have discussed a number of times, we used to have a couple of proper quarantine facilities in Victoria, which, if they hadn’t been sold off by governments some years ago, could have been used for something else when not needed, and then rapidly reset when needed.
buffy said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:I reckon I read somewhere that a woman was forcibly confined because they thought she would be a spreader. Perhaps this bloke needs similar confining, beginning his isolation all over again from now. For the added inconvenience. As well as whatever fines are applicable.
I think all isolation should be on Manus Island.There is a perfectly good facility on Christmas Island which was re-opened for just one family. And they are still there as far as I know. It’s wasteful not to be using it.
But as Rule and I have discussed a number of times, we used to have a couple of proper quarantine facilities in Victoria, which, if they hadn’t been sold off by governments some years ago, could have been used for something else when not needed, and then rapidly reset when needed.
buffy said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:I reckon I read somewhere that a woman was forcibly confined because they thought she would be a spreader. Perhaps this bloke needs similar confining, beginning his isolation all over again from now. For the added inconvenience. As well as whatever fines are applicable.
I think all isolation should be on Manus Island.There is a perfectly good facility on Christmas Island which was re-opened for just one family. And they are still there as far as I know. It’s wasteful not to be using it.
But as Rule and I have discussed a number of times, we used to have a couple of proper quarantine facilities in Victoria, which, if they hadn’t been sold off by governments some years ago, could have been used for something else when not needed, and then rapidly reset when needed.
Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Though it would be good to have at least one group facility in every major city. eg. My mother used to live in the tuberculosis quarantine facility in Sydney.
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
Tamb said:I think all isolation should be on Manus Island.
There is a perfectly good facility on Christmas Island which was re-opened for just one family. And they are still there as far as I know. It’s wasteful not to be using it.
But as Rule and I have discussed a number of times, we used to have a couple of proper quarantine facilities in Victoria, which, if they hadn’t been sold off by governments some years ago, could have been used for something else when not needed, and then rapidly reset when needed.
Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Though it would be good to have at least one group facility in every major city. eg. My mother used to live in the tuberculosis quarantine facility in Sydney.
~Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Only if people obey the rules.
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:There is a perfectly good facility on Christmas Island which was re-opened for just one family. And they are still there as far as I know. It’s wasteful not to be using it.
But as Rule and I have discussed a number of times, we used to have a couple of proper quarantine facilities in Victoria, which, if they hadn’t been sold off by governments some years ago, could have been used for something else when not needed, and then rapidly reset when needed.
Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Though it would be good to have at least one group facility in every major city. eg. My mother used to live in the tuberculosis quarantine facility in Sydney.
~Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Only if people obey the rules.
Or if they are barricaded in.
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:There is a perfectly good facility on Christmas Island which was re-opened for just one family. And they are still there as far as I know. It’s wasteful not to be using it.
But as Rule and I have discussed a number of times, we used to have a couple of proper quarantine facilities in Victoria, which, if they hadn’t been sold off by governments some years ago, could have been used for something else when not needed, and then rapidly reset when needed.
Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Though it would be good to have at least one group facility in every major city. eg. My mother used to live in the tuberculosis quarantine facility in Sydney.
~Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Only if people obey the rules.
Yes. And as demonstrated, a tiny minority pf people thoughtlessly and arrogantly don’t follow the rules.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Though it would be good to have at least one group facility in every major city. eg. My mother used to live in the tuberculosis quarantine facility in Sydney.
~Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Only if people obey the rules.
Yes. And as demonstrated, a tiny minority pf people thoughtlessly and arrogantly don’t follow the rules.
Welding their doors shut seems to work.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:Wait! How could you know enforcement was poor until the bug did get out? You contract the job out to the biggest security firms in the state who are government approved firms, and you write the contract properly. I presume, because no-one has mentioned it not being in the contract, that they were hired for quarantine work, and I suspect they did know it was for quarantine work, because, well, it was for quarantine work. They signed up to provide proper quarantine.
Several people at the hotels expressed concerns from the beginning.
But people at the hotels were not happy about being quarantined in the beginning. It would have been very difficult to pick out the vexatious ones at that point in time.
The guards reporting not the inmates.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Several people at the hotels expressed concerns from the beginning.
But people at the hotels were not happy about being quarantined in the beginning. It would have been very difficult to pick out the vexatious ones at that point in time.
The guards reporting not the inmates.
They could have surveyed the quarantined. There’s a survey for nearly everything these days.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Though it would be good to have at least one group facility in every major city. eg. My mother used to live in the tuberculosis quarantine facility in Sydney.
~Home is a perfectly good place for isolation / quarantine. Only if people obey the rules.
Yes. And as demonstrated, a tiny minority pf people thoughtlessly and arrogantly don’t follow the rules.
well there are a larger fraction, possibly majority, of people who loosely interpret the rules and will step over edges from time to time because the perceived harm is small, including us
Tamb said:
buffy said:
Tamb said:I think all isolation should be on Manus Island.
There is a perfectly good facility on Christmas Island which was re-opened for just one family. And they are still there as far as I know. It’s wasteful not to be using it.
But as Rule and I have discussed a number of times, we used to have a couple of proper quarantine facilities in Victoria, which, if they hadn’t been sold off by governments some years ago, could have been used for something else when not needed, and then rapidly reset when needed.
Christmas Island would be a good choice too.
they were able to use it too, they helped many families from CHINA pay* for flights to spend a week in that hotel, right at the start
* it is claimed they backed down on that bit
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
The ongoing saga of the government hiring private security to monitor people in hotels seems somewhat one sided.
Oversight and misguided perhaps but don’t think it was deliberate wrong doing, I haven’t seen it mentioned that perhaps the security firm itself should have actually done their job and are mostly to blame.
Sure, but when you’ve been offered help from multiple areas such as the ADF, and fail miserably compared to other states, you have to take the heat for your shit decisions.
IIIRC, WA uses private security. No significant problems there.
let’s say they all do similar, and the chance of a superspreader event is 10%, and there are about 10 states or territories out cruise ships around Australia, and it really happens in one of them
then what
Is it funny, or is it fucked, that every time some arsehole in politics uses some place as an example “oh they did it so well” the next thing you know is it’s not going so well?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-14/brett-sutton-says-cant-compare-nsw-vic-coronavirus-numbers/12761960
Coronavirus case numbers in Victoria and New South Wales are similar. So why is Sydney open and Melbourne in lockdown? Yesterday, New South Wales recorded more coronavirus cases than Victoria for the second time in the past 10 days. “In New South Wales, they’re managing to keep the doors of businesses open, people employed, yet they’re also dealing with new cases every day,” federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-14/nsw-coronavirus-eleven-new-locally-acquired-infections/12765002
NSW coronavirus cases increase by 14, with 11 new locally-acquired infections, Gladys Berejiklian confirms (but maybe that’s just her trying to distract from the corruption proceedings hey) … Ms Berejiklian said the state was “on the verge of being where it was” in early July, when an infected Victorian man sparked a cluster of cases at the Crossroads Hotel in Sydney’s south-west.
Guess they’ll never learn that this shit takes concerted scientific effort to eradicate, and not clowns playing politics.
Is it funny, or is it fucked, that every time some arsehole in politics uses some place as an example “oh they did it so well” the next thing you know is it’s not going so well?
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I found in gardening or farming you don’t look at something and say, ‘that looks great!’ or ‘this is going to yield heavily.’
Rachel Maddow shares reporting by the Washington Post that a Trump administration official has admitted that the Trump policy for dealing with coronavirus is tantamount to herd immunity, even as experts deride it as “fringe” and “dangerous,” and the U.S. appears to be in the grips of a second wave of infections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyKaK5-3fTU
sarahs mum said:
Rachel Maddow shares reporting by the Washington Post that a Trump administration official has admitted that the Trump policy for dealing with coronavirus is tantamount to herd immunity, even as experts deride it as “fringe” and “dangerous,” and the U.S. appears to be in the grips of a second wave of infections.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyKaK5-3fTU
So the USA is now like one of those parties you take your 4 year old to to infect them with whooping cough.
Rule 303 said:
Pretty much inevitable, I think. NSW is already trying. Perhaps they just want to get it over and done with.
;)
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Pretty much inevitable, I think. NSW is already trying. Perhaps they just want to get it over and done with.
;)
I’m sorry to say my opinion of the general public has been (temporarily, I hope) diminished to the point where I really think we’ll have to confine people to control it.
If only we had an Infectious Diseases hospital…
too windy for birdwatching.
perhaps tomorrow.
mollwollfumble said:
too windy for birdwatching.perhaps tomorrow.
How the heck did that get into the coronavirus thread.
I guess there goes the likelihood of Victoria being open for Xmas:
Dark Orange said:
I guess there goes the likelihood of Victoria being open for Xmas:
Yep.
Dark Orange said:
I guess there goes the likelihood of Victoria being open for Xmas:
They could open up and save face by saying the Rule of Nine overrides the Rule of Five
Rule 303 said:
Dark Orange said:I guess there goes the likelihood of Victoria being open for Xmas:
Yep.
It’s going to bounce around for a long time. You’ve got a population naive to the virus. So you only need one person carrying the virus to make another nice little spread. It’s normal contagion, just easier to catch than some of the other viruses.
Do we know if the contagiousness is due to particularly good stickiness of this virus or particularly large numbers, ie fast replication rate? It’s 40 odd years since I did the pathology unit, but I think there were two or three explanations for widespread spread.
buffy said:
It’s going to bounce around for a long time. You’ve got a population naive to the virus. So you only need one person carrying the virus to make another nice little spread. It’s normal contagion, just easier to catch than some of the other viruses.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/covid19-conspiracy-theorists-party-leads-to-death-of-two-family-members/news-story/e6bfe8d6af5febe4956469805f7792f3
COVID-denier throws family party, people get infected and two die from virus.
I see by a quick glance at the Wikipedia page that nations everywhere are setting new infections records today
Cymek said:
I see by a quick glance at the Wikipedia page that nations everywhere are setting new infections records today
give them all an award
The survey of more than 700 families found that while 80 per cent of the children were reported to have good mental and emotional health, up to 10 per cent may need support.
Far from the crying in the media about the devastating mental health effects of good infection control practices, this finding compares very favourably to the usual estimates of one quarter of people having some kind of significant mental health problem.
We all have COVID-19 and CHINA to be thankful for!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-14/coronavirus-children-mental-health-anxiety-survey/12702726
Victoria has recorded six new cases of coronavirus and zero deaths, the state’s health department says.
The continued fall in new cases adds pressure on the Premier, Daniel Andrews, to commit to a more wide-ranging easing of restrictions, when he announces the next steps on Victoria’s roadmap to reopening on Sunday.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Health authorities in NSW have confirmed six new locally acquired coronavirus infections in the 24 hours to 8:00pm last night.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard said infected people withholding information from public health officials had been an ongoing issue during the pandemic.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
A state that is in lockdown records similar infections to a state that isn’t, and try to use that as justification to relax their current restrictions? Makes sense
SCIENCE said:
Amidst The Calls For VIC To Open Up Because Their Numbers Match NSW, We Hear No Voices Calling For NSW To Close Down Because Their Numbers Match VIC, Even Though It Might Be Equally Sensible
Victoria has recorded six new cases of coronavirus and zero deaths, the state’s health department says.
The continued fall in new cases adds pressure on the Premier, Daniel Andrews, to commit to a more wide-ranging easing of restrictions, when he announces the next steps on Victoria’s roadmap to reopening on Sunday.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Health authorities in NSW have confirmed six new locally acquired coronavirus infections in the 24 hours to 8:00pm last night.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard said infected people withholding information from public health officials had been an ongoing issue during the pandemic.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Spitters need more aggressive treatment.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
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far out.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Amidst The Calls For VIC To Open Up Because Their Numbers Match NSW, We Hear No Voices Calling For NSW To Close Down Because Their Numbers Match VIC, Even Though It Might Be Equally Sensible
Victoria has recorded six new cases of coronavirus and zero deaths, the state’s health department says.
The continued fall in new cases adds pressure on the Premier, Daniel Andrews, to commit to a more wide-ranging easing of restrictions, when he announces the next steps on Victoria’s roadmap to reopening on Sunday.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Health authorities in NSW have confirmed six new locally acquired coronavirus infections in the 24 hours to 8:00pm last night.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard said infected people withholding information from public health officials had been an ongoing issue during the pandemic.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Spitters need more aggressive treatment.
Back when I was at uni there was a young fellow who was always spitting off to the side of a conversation.
You know that is illegal I said?
He was shocked. What! Spitting is illegal!
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Amidst The Calls For VIC To Open Up Because Their Numbers Match NSW, We Hear No Voices Calling For NSW To Close Down Because Their Numbers Match VIC, Even Though It Might Be Equally Sensible
Victoria has recorded six new cases of coronavirus and zero deaths, the state’s health department says.
The continued fall in new cases adds pressure on the Premier, Daniel Andrews, to commit to a more wide-ranging easing of restrictions, when he announces the next steps on Victoria’s roadmap to reopening on Sunday.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Health authorities in NSW have confirmed six new locally acquired coronavirus infections in the 24 hours to 8:00pm last night.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard said infected people withholding information from public health officials had been an ongoing issue during the pandemic.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Spitters need more aggressive treatment.
Back when I was at uni there was a young fellow who was always spitting off to the side of a conversation.
You know that is illegal I said?
He was shocked. What! Spitting is illegal!
(I might be still living with the aftermath of the Spanish flu and TB buses.)
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Amidst The Calls For VIC To Open Up Because Their Numbers Match NSW, We Hear No Voices Calling For NSW To Close Down Because Their Numbers Match VIC, Even Though It Might Be Equally Sensible
Victoria has recorded six new cases of coronavirus and zero deaths, the state’s health department says.
The continued fall in new cases adds pressure on the Premier, Daniel Andrews, to commit to a more wide-ranging easing of restrictions, when he announces the next steps on Victoria’s roadmap to reopening on Sunday.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Health authorities in NSW have confirmed six new locally acquired coronavirus infections in the 24 hours to 8:00pm last night.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard said infected people withholding information from public health officials had been an ongoing issue during the pandemic.
It was also not mentioned that abusive individuals shouting and spitting in the faces of frontline emergency workers might actually have caused some of the outbreaks among such workers.
Spitters need more aggressive treatment.
Back when I was at uni there was a young fellow who was always spitting off to the side of a conversation.
You know that is illegal I said?
He was shocked. What! Spitting is illegal!
Gross habit, see it quite often people doing it continually at the train station
IIRC it became illegal to stop the spread of typhoid.
Divine Angel said:
IIRC it became illegal to stop the spread of typhoid.
Tuberculosis.
Spitting is classed as ‘common assault’ whether or not any of the psittle lands on anyone.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Spitters need more aggressive treatment.
Back when I was at uni there was a young fellow who was always spitting off to the side of a conversation.
You know that is illegal I said?
He was shocked. What! Spitting is illegal!
Gross habit, see it quite often people doing it continually at the train station
Always been an issue it seems. I remember going to the railway museum and seeing an old sign warning that expectorating on the platform was prohibited. I had to write the word down and look it u when I got home. It means spitting, especially the really gross clearing the throat or lungs of phlegm, not just saliva.
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:Back when I was at uni there was a young fellow who was always spitting off to the side of a conversation.
You know that is illegal I said?
He was shocked. What! Spitting is illegal!
Gross habit, see it quite often people doing it continually at the train station
Always been an issue it seems. I remember going to the railway museum and seeing an old sign warning that expectorating on the platform was prohibited. I had to write the word down and look it u when I got home. It means spitting, especially the really gross clearing the throat or lungs of phlegm, not just saliva.
“Expectorate into the spittoon.”
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Cymek said:Gross habit, see it quite often people doing it continually at the train station
Always been an issue it seems. I remember going to the railway museum and seeing an old sign warning that expectorating on the platform was prohibited. I had to write the word down and look it u when I got home. It means spitting, especially the really gross clearing the throat or lungs of phlegm, not just saliva.
“Expectorate into the spittoon.”
…. and when the sediment settles, you could use it as a finger bowl.
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
IIRC it became illegal to stop the spread of typhoid.
Tuberculosis.
Spitting is classed as ‘common assault’ whether or not any of the psittle lands on anyone.
TB, of course. *facepalm
What’s the difference between “the misery of another national lockdown” and “the local, the regional approach” in every locality and region?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/boris-johnson-refuses-to-put-uk-into-second-coronavirus-lockdown/12768002
In the first wave, the UK had a peak number of 7,860 daily cases on April 10, which has jumped to a peak of 17,540 on October 8.
Also interesting is how a month ago they were all assured that “second wave” business would be better than the first, oh, it’s just young people, oh, nobody dies, oh
https://theconversation.com/europes-second-wave-is-worse-than-the-first-what-went-so-wrong-and-what-can-it-learn-from-countries-like-vietnam-147907
wait, not so funny any more is it,
SCIENCE said:
Also interesting is how a month ago they were all assured that “second wave” business would be better than the first, oh, it’s just young people, oh, nobody dies, ohhttps://theconversation.com/europes-second-wave-is-worse-than-the-first-what-went-so-wrong-and-what-can-it-learn-from-countries-like-vietnam-147907
wait, not so funny any more is it,
It was about profit so not a shock really that people are secondary, especially poor people
Coronavirus live news: Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says 400 people now in isolation ‘because of one person’
“I would again just make it clear that we have got about 400 people in the Shepparton community that are either cases, contacts or their contacts, so those three separate groups of people who are all linked through potential chains of transmission, they are isolated at home and they are isolated at home because of one person.
Oh sorry mate what was that again, 400 people in isolation because of an essential working truck driver just pulling his own weight, doing the hard yards, supporting The Economy Must Grow, you know, just minding his own local business? Did you forget that 4000000 people went into lockdown just because of one person, their premier? That’s 10000 times as many mate, it’s obviously all your fault.
SCIENCE said:
Coronavirus live news: Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says 400 people now in isolation ‘because of one person’“I would again just make it clear that we have got about 400 people in the Shepparton community that are either cases, contacts or their contacts, so those three separate groups of people who are all linked through potential chains of transmission, they are isolated at home and they are isolated at home because of one person.
Oh sorry mate what was that again, 400 people in isolation because of an essential working truck driver just pulling his own weight, doing the hard yards, supporting The Economy Must Grow, you know, just minding his own local business? Did you forget that 4000000 people went into lockdown just because of one person, their premier? That’s 10000 times as many mate, it’s obviously all your fault.
Essential truck driver did not follow rules.
SCIENCE said:
What’s the difference between “the misery of another national lockdown” and “the local, the regional approach” in every locality and region?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/boris-johnson-refuses-to-put-uk-into-second-coronavirus-lockdown/12768002
In the first wave, the UK had a peak number of 7,860 daily cases on April 10, which has jumped to a peak of 17,540 on October 8.
It is admitting defeat and passing the buck for tough or unpopular Covid responses like lock-downs to local authorities. The central government can just sit back and crtiticise the local authorities for doing it wrong.
Looks like we found a big part of the problem! FRANCE!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/millions-more-children-to-die-of-malnutrition-covid-19-who-says/12768496
“We’re in a second wave — we have to react,” Mr Macron said.
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Surely prevention is better than cure, and proactive intervention might sort this better than reactive (remember the incubation period of 4 to 5 doubling times means a factor of 30 by the time you realise there’s an outbreak)?
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Coronavirus live news: Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says 400 people now in isolation ‘because of one person’“I would again just make it clear that we have got about 400 people in the Shepparton community that are either cases, contacts or their contacts, so those three separate groups of people who are all linked through potential chains of transmission, they are isolated at home and they are isolated at home because of one person.
Oh sorry mate what was that again, 400 people in isolation because of an essential working truck driver just pulling his own weight, doing the hard yards, supporting The Economy Must Grow, you know, just minding his own local business? Did you forget that 4000000 people went into lockdown just because of one person, their premier? That’s 10000 times as many mate, it’s obviously all your fault.
Essential truck driver did not follow rules.
And lied to the contact tracers, too.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Coronavirus live news: Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says 400 people now in isolation ‘because of one person’“I would again just make it clear that we have got about 400 people in the Shepparton community that are either cases, contacts or their contacts, so those three separate groups of people who are all linked through potential chains of transmission, they are isolated at home and they are isolated at home because of one person.
Oh sorry mate what was that again, 400 people in isolation because of an essential working truck driver just pulling his own weight, doing the hard yards, supporting The Economy Must Grow, you know, just minding his own local business? Did you forget that 4000000 people went into lockdown just because of one person, their premier? That’s 10000 times as many mate, it’s obviously all your fault.
Essential truck driver did not follow rules.
And lied to the contact tracers, too.
Was he visiting brothels what would be the point of lying
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Essential truck driver did not follow rules.
And lied to the contact tracers, too.
Was he visiting brothels what would be the point of lying
Not that I’m aware of. Delivering stuff. Eating at sit-down restaurants (not allowed for Melbourne residents). He could have gotten takeaway (allowed).
No obvious point for lying. Perhaps he is a congenital liar.
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:And lied to the contact tracers, too.
Was he visiting brothels what would be the point of lying
Not that I’m aware of. Delivering stuff. Eating at sit-down restaurants (not allowed for Melbourne residents). He could have gotten takeaway (allowed).
No obvious point for lying. Perhaps he is a congenital liar.
Probably just as simple as fearing he might have copped a big fine for admitting to any breach of the rules.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
Cymek said:Was he visiting brothels what would be the point of lying
Not that I’m aware of. Delivering stuff. Eating at sit-down restaurants (not allowed for Melbourne residents). He could have gotten takeaway (allowed).
No obvious point for lying. Perhaps he is a congenital liar.
Probably just as simple as fearing he might have copped a big fine for admitting to any breach of the rules.
Dan had already made it clear that even if rules had been broken, no fines would be issued for truthfulness to contact tracers.
ie: truthfulness trumps rule-breaking.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Coronavirus live news: Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says 400 people now in isolation ‘because of one person’“I would again just make it clear that we have got about 400 people in the Shepparton community that are either cases, contacts or their contacts, so those three separate groups of people who are all linked through potential chains of transmission, they are isolated at home and they are isolated at home because of one person.
Oh sorry mate what was that again, 400 people in isolation because of an essential working truck driver just pulling his own weight, doing the hard yards, supporting The Economy Must Grow, you know, just minding his own local business? Did you forget that 4000000 people went into lockdown just because of one person, their premier? That’s 10000 times as many mate, it’s obviously all your fault.
Essential truck driver did not follow rules.
And lied to the contact tracers, too.
I can think of about ten reasons a bloke in that situation might lie.
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Essential truck driver did not follow rules.
And lied to the contact tracers, too.
I can think of about ten reasons a bloke in that situation might lie.
Are any of them good?
Michael V said:
truthfulness trumps
100% oxymoron
Witty Rejoinder said:
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:And lied to the contact tracers, too.
I can think of about ten reasons a bloke in that situation might lie.
Are any of them good?
Outstanding.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:truthfulness trumps
100% oxymoron
Yes. It’s such a pity that that word has been overwritten by the newer meaning.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Rule 303 said:
Michael V said:And lied to the contact tracers, too.
I can think of about ten reasons a bloke in that situation might lie.
Are any of them good?
Good for who? The supplier of his little crystals that keep him awake? Definitely.
(CNN)First lady Melania Trump posted a personal essay on the White House website detailing her experience battling Covid-19, which she tested positive for approximately two weeks ago. The first lady also revealed that her son, Barron Trump, 14, who the White House publicly confirmed at the time had tested negative, eventually tested positive for the virus, a diagnosis the White House did not share.
She has now tested negative for the virus, as has her husband, President Donald Trump, according to his doctors.
“Naturally, my mind went immediately to our son,” she wrote. Barron Trump initially tested negative after she and the President contracted Covid. But the teenager was tested again and turned up positive. Trump says her son had “no symptoms,” and has now tested negative.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/14/politics/melania-trump-barron-covid/index.html
Watching people on the ABC news wanting everything in Melbourne opened up again, it must be so tempting to Dan Andrews to throw his hands in the air, say OK, lets go then. But don’t come crying to me later.
buffy said:
Watching people on the ABC news wanting everything in Melbourne opened up again, it must be so tempting to Dan Andrews to throw his hands in the air, say OK, lets go then. But don’t come crying to me later.
More whinging hairdressers?
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Watching people on the ABC news wanting everything in Melbourne opened up again, it must be so tempting to Dan Andrews to throw his hands in the air, say OK, lets go then. But don’t come crying to me later.More whinging hairdressers?
A photographer and miscellaneous people in a park somewhere.
buffy said:
Watching people on the ABC news wanting everything in Melbourne opened up again, it must be so tempting to Dan Andrews to throw his hands in the air, say OK, lets go then. But don’t come crying to me later.
He could teach them a lesson and put them under ‘hotel quarantine’ …
just to conclude an earlier discussion apparently the article links in abc are not even determined by the words example https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/london-tier-2-covid-19-lockdown-with-millions-banned-from-mixing/12772826 or really https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/put-any-manufactured-line-you-like-here/12772826 and they told us this by having different links end up at the same article as long as the numbers match
SCIENCE said:
just to conclude an earlier discussion apparently the article links in abc are not even determined by the words example https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/london-tier-2-covid-19-lockdown-with-millions-banned-from-mixing/12772826 or really https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/put-any-manufactured-line-you-like-here/12772826 and they told us this by having different links end up at the same article as long as the numbers match
Interesting.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
just to conclude an earlier discussion apparently the article links in abc are not even determined by the words example https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/london-tier-2-covid-19-lockdown-with-millions-banned-from-mixing/12772826 or really https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/put-any-manufactured-line-you-like-here/12772826 and they told us this by having different links end up at the same article as long as the numbers match
Interesting.
I suppose that allows them to change the headline dynamically as the story progresses.
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
just to conclude an earlier discussion apparently the article links in abc are not even determined by the words example https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/london-tier-2-covid-19-lockdown-with-millions-banned-from-mixing/12772826 or really https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/put-any-manufactured-line-you-like-here/12772826 and they told us this by having different links end up at the same article as long as the numbers match
Interesting.
I suppose that allows them to change the headline dynamically as the story progresses.
I suppose so, but that’s very rarely done.
Some interesting stuff in there (found the correct thread, now).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/coronacheck-liberal-national-party-unemployment-queensland-covid/12770182
Michael V said:
Some interesting stuff in there (found the correct thread, now).https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/coronacheck-liberal-national-party-unemployment-queensland-covid/12770182
Looks like the easing of restrictions in Queensland could lead to dancing.
Meanwhile it seems this is the thread for some Good News today,
Daniel Andrews gives his update for Victoria
He says the “vast majority” of tests from Shepparton are back in and negative.
For the Metro regional split of new cases today, both the new cases are in metro Melbourne. One in Dandenong, and one at a Knox address, which is the case being investigated.
Seven active cases in regional Victoria. Mr Andrews says four are in Mitchell Shire, down from five yesterday. There are three active cases in Greater Shepparton, “the same three we have been reporting over a number of days.”
time to throw the big parties hey, throw them borders open ¡
SCIENCE said:
Meanwhile it seems this is the thread for some Good News today,Daniel Andrews gives his update for Victoria
He says the “vast majority” of tests from Shepparton are back in and negative.
For the Metro regional split of new cases today, both the new cases are in metro Melbourne. One in Dandenong, and one at a Knox address, which is the case being investigated.
Seven active cases in regional Victoria. Mr Andrews says four are in Mitchell Shire, down from five yesterday. There are three active cases in Greater Shepparton, “the same three we have been reporting over a number of days.”time to throw the big parties hey, throw them borders open ¡
No. The Lower Murrumbidgee Health Department has a three day blitz testing on the NSW side of the border for those escaping through Tocumwal.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Some interesting stuff in there (found the correct thread, now).https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/coronacheck-liberal-national-party-unemployment-queensland-covid/12770182
Looks like the easing of restrictions in Queensland could lead to dancing.
And we all know what dancing leads to…
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Some interesting stuff in there (found the correct thread, now).https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/coronacheck-liberal-national-party-unemployment-queensland-covid/12770182
Looks like the easing of restrictions in Queensland could lead to dancing.
And we all know what dancing leads to…
Sore feet?
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:Looks like the easing of restrictions in Queensland could lead to dancing.
And we all know what dancing leads to…
Sore feet?
Posture problems.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:Looks like the easing of restrictions in Queensland could lead to dancing.
And we all know what dancing leads to…
Sore feet?
Obviously you didn’t listen in Sunday School.
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Some interesting stuff in there (found the correct thread, now).https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/coronacheck-liberal-national-party-unemployment-queensland-covid/12770182
Looks like the easing of restrictions in Queensland could lead to dancing.
And we all know what dancing leads to…
I think we’ve covered these issues often.
Witty Rejoinder said:
China calls its “heroic” handling of covid-19 proof of its wisdom
A lopsided global recovery amid Chinese bragging could sharpen divisions between China and the WestChina
Oct 17th 2020 editionAseries of failures made 2020 a rough year for China’s relations with the world. First, Chinese officials—following the logic of their unaccountable, secretive one-party system—failed to report an unknown virus in the central city of Wuhan for several critical weeks, giving covid-19 time to take hold. More failures followed. As one foreign government after another botched its own response, China’s rulers refused to take any blame for the pandemic, instead slapping economic sanctions on such countries as Australia that called for inquiries into the outbreak’s origins. The costs are plain to see: a recent survey of rich countries by the Pew Research Centre found soaring distrust of China (with negative views in Australia jumping 24 percentage points since last year).
That political gulf between China and the world is set to widen. This time, the cause will be asymmetric success. China has effectively controlled covid-19 and its economy is returning to life. Meanwhile, governments in America, Europe and beyond face second waves of infections and business bankruptcies and exploding public deficits. Several elected incumbents will lose office.
Amid that global misery, China’s leaders call their country’s recovery proof that Communist Party rule offers a uniquely effective blend of organisational prowess, respect for science, and traditional Chinese morality. They are about to discover how provocative that boasting will sound to many in the rest of the world. Foreign anger will in turn prompt resentment within China. Ordinary Chinese remember the collective sacrifices made by hundreds of millions of citizens who stopped transmission by staying indoors for weeks, often without pay. Glib lines from Western politicians about admiring China’s people and opposing the Communist Party will not help. People are complicated. It is possible for Chinese citizens to remember their leaders’ early mistakes, to resent officials for thuggishly enforcing lockdowns, and at the same time to agree that the country’s pandemic response is a source of national pride. Modern China’s story is not one of oppressed masses all yearning to be free. Party bosses stake their claim to rule on making people’s lives better. Their China is a majoritarian project that enjoys broad, if unknowable, public support. The headache for foreign governments is how to respond when the party crushes minorities that get in the way, whether ethnic, religious or political.
Covid-19 has given a fresh edge to arguments about which political system is best. It is hard to overstate how bad the West’s handling of the virus looks to ordinary Chinese. It is heartbreaking to hear Western-educated liberals wonder whether democracy is being exposed as selfish and disorderly. Longtime admirers of America watch President Donald Trump blaming their country for unleashing a “China virus” on the world, and hear a horrifying incitement to racial hatred. Chinese nationalists feel vindicated.
Diplomats in Beijing compare covid-19 to the global financial crisis of 2008, another event that convinced many Chinese leaders that the West is in long-term decline. Arguably, this pandemic is a more perilous moment. For one thing, in 2008 the credit crunch was a crisis discussed between Chinese and Western elites. Few American or European voters either knew or cared that global growth was being sustained by massive Chinese investments in domestic infrastructure. For another, China was not on the defensive. Elites in Beijing were tut-tutting observers of a crisis created in the West. As one Chinese leader told Americans in 2008: “You were our teacher, and the teacher doesn’t look very smart.”
This time, on both sides, elites and regular folk have strong views about covid-19. In Beijing, Western diplomats recall this pandemic year with real bitterness. They remember the dark days of January and February as their home governments cancelled scheduled flights to and from China, and pleaded for permission to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, only to be summoned for hours-long meetings at the Chinese foreign ministry, where officials angrily accused them of sowing panic and insulting China. With unblushing hypocrisy, China then turned round and sealed its borders still more tightly a few weeks later, after foreign infection rates climbed. Early on, foreign countries were asked to send medical aid to China without any publicity, and complied. Later, when they sought to buy Chinese ventilators for their own patients, they were told that the price included public praise for China.
Why China’s return to growth will inspire mixed feelings
Far from the embassies in Beijing, foreign views of China have soured dramatically, too. In the Pew survey of public opinion in advanced economies, a median of 61% of respondents deplored China’s handling of covid-19. Chinese officials blame such criticism on scapegoating by anti-China hawks in America. That is self-serving tosh. Thirteen of the 14 countries polled were even harsher about America’s covid blunders. The survey is a record of public displeasure over mistakes made, not a festival of China-bashing.Foreign scepticism about China’s record is not entirely fair. Some in the West speculate that China is hiding mass infections. That is improbable: despite strict censorship, news of another Wuhan-like catastrophe would leak. Instead, after early cover-ups, China’s response has been simple but effective. Since late March it has closed its borders to most foreigners, built high-tech systems to monitor domestic travel and attacked even small flare-ups with lockdowns and mass testing. After announcing a dozen cases on October 11th, the coastal city of Qingdao began testing 9m people.
Yet a core claim made by the party is also false—that its crushing of covid-19 proves the unique advantages of autocracy. Off China’s coast, the democratic island of Taiwan has handled the virus brilliantly, recording just seven deaths in a population of 23m.
The arguments will not stop even if vaccines are found to beat the virus back. Shared suffering did not bring the world together in 2020. Alas, a lopsided global recovery, especially if accompanied by Chinese bragging, risks creating still sharper divisions. ■
https://www.economist.com/china/2020/10/17/china-calls-its-heroic-handling-of-covid-19-proof-of-its-wisdom
It’s probably just because they have a secret vaccine they’re hiding from the rest of us the bastards.
Forum thoughts…
This time next year Australia will be doing what as far as restrictions….?
monkey skipper said:
Forum thoughts…This time next year Australia will be doing what as far as restrictions….?
Yes
dv said:
monkey skipper said:
Forum thoughts…This time next year Australia will be doing what as far as restrictions….?
Yes
Yes they will or no they won’t?
monkey skipper said:
dv said:
monkey skipper said:
Forum thoughts…This time next year Australia will be doing what as far as restrictions….?
Yes
Yes they will or no they won’t?
Definitely
My guess is the 5 minute covid tests will be widely available to fast track the testing phase when shown to be accurate enough. That type of testing would make opening borders and checking people transiting from OS , interstate etc alot easier and my guess is lockdown will be specific to locations like a suburb by early next year. And some type of overseas visitors from nations cleared to travell but based on their covid cases and our faster capacity to test people to ensure suppression strategies.
If anything she is being given a softer run.
When you compare the way the NSW and Victorian Governments have handled the pandemic, NSW has been way ahead (the Ruby Princess debacle notwithstanding).
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Yes there’s your softer run right there, see how NSW would have handled crazy superspreader kwits had they played ¿
The Victorian opposition has finally offered some suggestions. Near the bottom of this piece.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/victorian-opposition-wants-coronavirus-restrictions-eased/12774128
Sutton evidence to inquiry on security guards under question
Richard Baker
By Richard Baker
October 15, 2020 — 11.46pm
Victoria’s Department of Health has been asked to supply fresh documents to the hotel quarantine inquiry relating to questions over the accuracy of testimony provided by Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton.
Professor Sutton told the inquiry in both a witness statement and in verbal testimony in September that he did not know private security companies were guarding quarantine hotels until he became aware of the COVID-19 outbreak at the Rydges on Swanston in late May.
But several senior departmental sources say they were surprised at Professor Sutton’s evidence, and have suggested he knew much earlier. And now correspondence seen by The Age shows Professor Sutton knew in late March or early April that private security guards were the preferred model. That correspondence was not provided to the inquiry, despite its request for all relevant documents.
The Department of Health and Human Services told The Age late on Thursday that it had received a recent request from the board of inquiry for relevant documents and is in the process of responding to the request, but would not comment further. Professor Sutton referred The Age to the department’s response. A spokesman for the board of inquiry also had no comment in relation to allegations that key documentation had not been provided.
As the most visible health official in the Andrews government, Professor Sutton’s authority might have been enough to raise questions about the use of private security guards, as he later did, on the basis that a casual and ill-trained workforce was not equipped to work in the hazardous environment of hotel quarantine.
The potentially damaging revelations come as the Andrews government reels from the resignations of former health minister Jenny Mikakos and Victoria’s most senior public servant, former Premier’s Department secretary Chris Eccles, after their appearances before the inquiry.
Professor Sutton told the inquiry in September he was not aware of the use of security guards until after the COVID-19 outbreak because he did not set up or run Operation Soteria, the name given to Victoria’s hotel quarantine program.
“I have not been involved in giving directions, instructions or guidance to private security contractors. As explained, prior to the outbreaks I was not aware that security guards were being used,” the Chief Health Officer said in his written submission to the inquiry.
In hindsight, relying upon private security was a health risk, he said.
“There are a number of vulnerabilities with respect to transmission risk because of that workforce. The demographics of that workforce cohort provide for significant risks of transmission within the community.”
Ms Mikakos first cast doubt on Professor Sutton’s statement in her final submission to the inquiry in which she referred to an email sent at 2.48pm on March 27 to DHHS officials, including Professor Sutton, about the outcome of the national cabinet meeting that authorised mandatory Australia-wide hotel quarantine for returning travellers.
This email was tendered to the inquiry, but neither Professor Sutton nor any other witness were questioned on its contents. March 27 was the crucial day in the program’s set-up, when the initial decision was made by the national cabinet and Victoria’s public servants were given 36 hours to make it operational.
The mid-afternoon email was sent by DHHS director national cabinet (health and public health), Nicole Lynch to department secretary Kym Peake, Professor Sutton and other members of the state’s public health team, and it specifically referred to private security.
“Enforcement by S&T governments keen for police not to babysit, but called in as needed (e.g. use private security),” Ms Lynch wrote.
Health Department sources have told The Age that other email correspondence within DHHS involving Professor Sutton in late March and early April also referred to the use of private security.
Virus outbreaks among security and hotel staff at Rydges and the Stamford Plaza have been blamed for 99 per cent of Melbourne’s COVID-19 cases since May, contributing to the deaths of almost 800 Victorians, keeping millions of people in severe lockdown and devastating the economy.
Despite the appearance of the Premier, his chief public servant, two chief commissioners of police, several ministers and key officials before the inquiry, no one has been able to say who made the decision to rely upon private security on March 27.
The inquiry heard evidence that senior Health Department officials overruled the state’s pandemic response plan by not appointing Professor Sutton as state controller on the basis he would be too busy in his public-facing role.
Instead, the role was split between a non-medical Health Department official and an official from Emergency Services Victoria. Professor Sutton told the inquiry he would have preferred to have been appointed state controller as per the pandemic response plan.
But Professor Sutton’s witness statement also reveals that he decided to delegate another senior role, that of public health commander, to his then deputy chief health officer, Annaliese van Diemen, before the hotel quarantine program became operational.
“While the Public Health Commander was involved in Operation Soteria, this role is not something I was involved in or can give specific detail about,” Professor Sutton stated.
Dr van Diemen was redeployed in the middle of the year and assumed responsibility for an outbreak of avian influenza in chicken farms west of Geelong.
Health Department sources have told The Age that Professor Sutton was at the top of the department’s command structure and had ample opportunities to be informed by members of the public health team about the use of private security.
By March 30, Professor Sutton had, according to his witness statement, used his powers under the Public Health and Wellbeing Act to appoint 70 authorised officers to exercise public health risk and emergency powers. These officers worked extremely closely with private security in quarantine hotels.
In an email to an Operation Soteria commander on April 9, Professor Sutton and his deputy Dr van Diemen, requested an urgent review of its governance owing to significant health risks to detainees. They complained that the program was being run as a “logistics” exercise by the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions.
A week later, on April 16, Victoria Police chaired a security forum on hotel quarantine attended by several senior DHHS officials, including representatives of the public health team. The performance of private security was discussed at the forum. Professor Sutton did not attend the forum, but one of members of the public health team reporting to him did.
Ms Mikakos resigned after Mr Andrews’ testimony to the inquiry. Mr Eccles’ resignation was announced on Monday after phone records showed the inquiry had been misled by his initial evidence, and Emergency Service Commissioner Andrew Crisp was also forced to correct his evidence to a Victorian parliamentary committee about the extent to which he had briefed his minister about the program.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/sutton-evidence-to-inquiry-on-security-guards-under-question-20201015-p565gh.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/high-court-legal-challenge-to-victorian-coronavirus-restrictions/12776558
Meanwhile, in Cambodia…
Remdesivir, about as good as hydroxychloroquine…
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-remdesivir-idUSL4N2H63XG
poikilotherm said:
Remdesivir, about as good as hydroxychloroquine…https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-remdesivir-idUSL4N2H63XG
so, highly lucrative then, nice
Speaking of lucrative, here’s some CHINESE PROPAGANDA for you all.
https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(20)30831-8
Safety and immunogenicity of an inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, BBIBP-CorV: a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled, phase 1/2 trial
A map that speaks for itself
mollwollfumble said:
A map that speaks for itself
oversimplify ¿
we thank Christian Christensen and Virpi Flyg and any others along the chain of derivation we may have missed
mollwollfumble said:
A map that speaks for itself
HOLD ON, that cannot be correct. The UK isn’t a glowing beacon of HELL!!!!
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
A map that speaks for itself
HOLD ON, that cannot be correct. The UK isn’t a glowing beacon of HELL!!!!
It isn’t. It was a glowing beacon of hell during the FIRST wave, in a distant galaxy long long ago.
Next in the hubris stakes: QLD ready to tempt the Second Waves of Nemesis
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/coronavirus-qld-cho-jeannette-young-vaccine-lost-generation/12765090
… she credits the success Queensland has had in comparison to other states to its experience in dealing with disasters like cyclones.
“Because we know how to prepare for things, we have really good systems in place,” she said.
“Government works well with the senior bureaucracy and people understand what needs to be done and do it.”
Dr Young said timing was key and when Australia was heading in the “exact same direction” as other countries, Queensland responded quickly.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/has-daigou-disappeared-in-australia-during-coronavirus-pandemic/12761376
Even before the pandemic, Chinese consumers were increasingly looking for cheaper and more efficient ways to connect with Australian products.
Jeremy Hunt, a former business executive of Swisse, told the ABC that new online platforms had had an “overwhelming” impact on the daigou model.
“There are China-led initiatives that have added to this pressure,” said Mr Hunt, who helped pioneer e-commerce trade for daigou between Australia and China.
“ have offered Chinese consumers a real competitive option, in terms of pricing and delivery timing,” he said, adding that the competition would be intense for businesses in China and overseas.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/covidsafe-app-coronavirus-safe-effectiveness-news/12766024
Julie Leask, a public health and infection disease specialist at Sydney University, said the app could soon come into its own.
“The place where the app could be potentially useful is cases where you have people who don’t know each other mixing, and don’t have an opportunity to register in that venue,” Dr Leask said.
“A crowded bus for example, or a taxi driver like the one in Sydney a few weeks ago.”
But she was wary of the effectiveness of the technology.
Even if the technology was flawless, Dr Leask cautioned that the app had only a peripheral role in the public health response.
“The main characters in this movie are rapid testing if you’ve got symptoms and isolation, rapid contact tracing, hand washing, mask-wearing if you can’t distance and physical distancing,” she said.
“All the other things are extras.”
SCIENCE said:
ABC Tries To Blame Market Forces For Trade And Biological Warfare Effect On Australian Refined Goods Exports To China
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/has-daigou-disappeared-in-australia-during-coronavirus-pandemic/12761376
Even before the pandemic, Chinese consumers were increasingly looking for cheaper and more efficient ways to connect with Australian products.
Jeremy Hunt, a former business executive of Swisse, told the ABC that new online platforms had had an “overwhelming” impact on the daigou model.
“There are China-led initiatives that have added to this pressure,” said Mr Hunt, who helped pioneer e-commerce trade for daigou between Australia and China.
“ have offered Chinese consumers a real competitive option, in terms of pricing and delivery timing,” he said, adding that the competition would be intense for businesses in China and overseas.
WTF is a daigou?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/victoria-records-1-new-coronavirus-case-melbourne-average-falls/12778178
Victoria’s Health Department says the state has recorded one new coronavirus infection and no deaths.
Metropolitan Melbourne’s 14-day rolling case average is now 8.1, down from 8.7 yesterday.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews is expected to announce an easing of some coronavirus restrictions tomorrow.
“Because we as a state have been as stubborn as this virus in our resolve to beat it, we are well placed to take significant steps on Sunday,” he said yesterday.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ABC Tries To Blame Market Forces For Trade And Biological Warfare Effect On Australian Refined Goods Exports To China
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/has-daigou-disappeared-in-australia-during-coronavirus-pandemic/12761376
Even before the pandemic, Chinese consumers were increasingly looking for cheaper and more efficient ways to connect with Australian products.
Jeremy Hunt, a former business executive of Swisse, told the ABC that new online platforms had had an “overwhelming” impact on the daigou model.
“There are China-led initiatives that have added to this pressure,” said Mr Hunt, who helped pioneer e-commerce trade for daigou between Australia and China.
“ have offered Chinese consumers a real competitive option, in terms of pricing and delivery timing,” he said, adding that the competition would be intense for businesses in China and overseas.
WTF is a daigou?
giyf
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ABC Tries To Blame Market Forces For Trade And Biological Warfare Effect On Australian Refined Goods Exports To China
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/has-daigou-disappeared-in-australia-during-coronavirus-pandemic/12761376
Even before the pandemic, Chinese consumers were increasingly looking for cheaper and more efficient ways to connect with Australian products.
Jeremy Hunt, a former business executive of Swisse, told the ABC that new online platforms had had an “overwhelming” impact on the daigou model.
“There are China-led initiatives that have added to this pressure,” said Mr Hunt, who helped pioneer e-commerce trade for daigou between Australia and China.
“ have offered Chinese consumers a real competitive option, in terms of pricing and delivery timing,” he said, adding that the competition would be intense for businesses in China and overseas.
WTF is a daigou?
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ABC Tries To Blame Market Forces For Trade And Biological Warfare Effect On Australian Refined Goods Exports To China
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/has-daigou-disappeared-in-australia-during-coronavirus-pandemic/12761376
Even before the pandemic, Chinese consumers were increasingly looking for cheaper and more efficient ways to connect with Australian products.
Jeremy Hunt, a former business executive of Swisse, told the ABC that new online platforms had had an “overwhelming” impact on the daigou model.
“There are China-led initiatives that have added to this pressure,” said Mr Hunt, who helped pioneer e-commerce trade for daigou between Australia and China.
“ have offered Chinese consumers a real competitive option, in terms of pricing and delivery timing,” he said, adding that the competition would be intense for businesses in China and overseas.
WTF is a daigou?
hey, stop copying my search results!!!
They probably chose this fella to interview just for the puns.
By Michael Doyle
SCIENCE said:
By Michael Doyle
Mr Andrews says regional Victorians are close to being able to travel interstate
Mr Andrews said he believes movement between regional Victoria and bordering states is close.“We’re very close to having a situation where regional Victorians will be able to travel into New South Wales and into SA as well,’ he said.
“Those arrangements are for other Premiers to announce. We are closer to that.”But With Its 5 Times As Many Local Transmissions As Victoria In The Past 24 Hours, They Probably Don’t Want To Travel To Corrupt New South Wales
By James Maasdorp
US recorded 71687 cases yesterday, their highest mark since July. On yhe plus side, the weekly death counts are still basically flat.
Hotel inquiry to hold extraordinary sitting as new emails contradict Sutton’s account
By Richard Baker and Noel Towell
October 16, 2020 — 11.50pm
Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton actively authorised an email on the day in March that the state’s hotel quarantine was set up telling the federal government that private security guards were going to be used to guard returning travellers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-inquiry-to-hold-extraordinary-sitting-as-new-emails-contradict-sutton-s-account-20201016-p565v3.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hotel inquiry to hold extraordinary sitting as new emails contradict Sutton’s account By Richard Baker and Noel Towell
October 16, 2020 — 11.50pmVictoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton actively authorised an email on the day in March that the state’s hotel quarantine was set up telling the federal government that private security guards were going to be used to guard returning travellers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-inquiry-to-hold-extraordinary-sitting-as-new-emails-contradict-sutton-s-account-20201016-p565v3.html
But didn’t the virus get out through the hotel staff, and not the guards?
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hotel inquiry to hold extraordinary sitting as new emails contradict Sutton’s account By Richard Baker and Noel Towell
October 16, 2020 — 11.50pmVictoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton actively authorised an email on the day in March that the state’s hotel quarantine was set up telling the federal government that private security guards were going to be used to guard returning travellers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-inquiry-to-hold-extraordinary-sitting-as-new-emails-contradict-sutton-s-account-20201016-p565v3.html
But didn’t the virus get out through the hotel staff, and not the guards?
The enquiry has found out nothing, we still don’t even know who’s hand it was that signed the paper to use security guards.
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hotel inquiry to hold extraordinary sitting as new emails contradict Sutton’s account By Richard Baker and Noel Towell
October 16, 2020 — 11.50pmVictoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton actively authorised an email on the day in March that the state’s hotel quarantine was set up telling the federal government that private security guards were going to be used to guard returning travellers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-inquiry-to-hold-extraordinary-sitting-as-new-emails-contradict-sutton-s-account-20201016-p565v3.html
But didn’t the virus get out through the hotel staff, and not the guards?
I have heard that but can’t find conformation atm.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hotel inquiry to hold extraordinary sitting as new emails contradict Sutton’s account By Richard Baker and Noel Towell
October 16, 2020 — 11.50pmVictoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton actively authorised an email on the day in March that the state’s hotel quarantine was set up telling the federal government that private security guards were going to be used to guard returning travellers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-inquiry-to-hold-extraordinary-sitting-as-new-emails-contradict-sutton-s-account-20201016-p565v3.html
But didn’t the virus get out through the hotel staff, and not the guards?
I have heard that but can’t find conformation atm.
I’m sure there was a news article with the timeline – a cleaner, then a receptionist, and the third or fourth positive test was a guard.
Peak Warming Man said:
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hotel inquiry to hold extraordinary sitting as new emails contradict Sutton’s account By Richard Baker and Noel Towell
October 16, 2020 — 11.50pmVictoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton actively authorised an email on the day in March that the state’s hotel quarantine was set up telling the federal government that private security guards were going to be used to guard returning travellers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-inquiry-to-hold-extraordinary-sitting-as-new-emails-contradict-sutton-s-account-20201016-p565v3.html
But didn’t the virus get out through the hotel staff, and not the guards?
The enquiry has found out nothing, we still don’t even know who’s hand it was that signed the paper to use security guards.
We seem to be having real trouble getting our minds around this: It is very often the case that no individual made the decision, and nobody signs the instruction. There will be a paper trail in the financial records, but that only shows who was sitting in the Finance chair. The decision process itself is not even visible, let-alone transparent. This is expert level bureaucracy.
dv said:
yeah but that’s ‘cause France has 10 times as many people and 3 times the density
dv said:
nods
dv said:
Re-opening yo bidness ain’t much good if there nobody left to buy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-17/nz-travellers-in-melbourne-from-sydney-coronavirus/12778312
I can’t see a huge problem with these people coming in, they may be returning Victorians, and they should be safe. But if they are visiting family and then want to return to NZ, they may be in for a shock quarantine when they go back. If they can get a flight back. And leaving Victoria for other parts of Australia is also subject to quarantine at present, and I expect for a bit more time yet.
I’ve thought of another question. I can’t find this with googling. Do we know how many health workers have tested positive to COVID19 in Australia and how many of them have died? I found a newspaper article from August saying one death, a disability nurse. It might have been Victorian only data. Such a large proportion of the deaths have been over 80s, I’m wondering what the risk level is in health workers.
This might be up Rule’s alley.
Some Victorian stuff here, but I can’t see deaths data. Perhaps there haven’t been any?
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/victorian-healthcare-worker-covid-19-data
buffy said:
I’ve thought of another question. I can’t find this with googling. Do we know how many health workers have tested positive to COVID19 in Australia and how many of them have died? I found a newspaper article from August saying one death, a disability nurse. It might have been Victorian only data. Such a large proportion of the deaths have been over 80s, I’m wondering what the risk level is in health workers.This might be up Rule’s alley.
Dunno how the Covid state reports but page 12 has healthcare worker infections for Nsw.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20201009.pdf
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
I’ve thought of another question. I can’t find this with googling. Do we know how many health workers have tested positive to COVID19 in Australia and how many of them have died? I found a newspaper article from August saying one death, a disability nurse. It might have been Victorian only data. Such a large proportion of the deaths have been over 80s, I’m wondering what the risk level is in health workers.This might be up Rule’s alley.
Dunno how the Covid state reports but page 12 has healthcare worker infections for Nsw.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20201009.pdf
So none in NSW, or not reported.
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buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
I’ve thought of another question. I can’t find this with googling. Do we know how many health workers have tested positive to COVID19 in Australia and how many of them have died? I found a newspaper article from August saying one death, a disability nurse. It might have been Victorian only data. Such a large proportion of the deaths have been over 80s, I’m wondering what the risk level is in health workers.This might be up Rule’s alley.
Dunno how the Covid state reports but page 12 has healthcare worker infections for Nsw.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20201009.pdf
So none in NSW, or not reported.
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What are you reading? There were 6 listed week ending October 10
Anyway, it’s good that it is under control in Vic now
dv said:
Anyway, it’s good that it is under control in Vic now
Until they let them out again, and they all go back to crowding into the ‘laneways’ cafes and pretending like mad that they’re in Paris or something and that viruses are really a ‘Sydney’ sort of thing and Melburnians wouldn’t be so gauche as to be infected with them.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Anyway, it’s good that it is under control in Vic now
Until they let them out again, and they all go back to crowding into the ‘laneways’ cafes and pretending like mad that they’re in Paris or something and that viruses are really a ‘Sydney’ sort of thing and Melburnians wouldn’t be so gauche as to be infected with them.
Lol :)
Melbourne – the pissing contest capital of Australia.
dv said:
Anyway, it’s good that it is under control in Vic now
Is it?
Oh good.
What is under control?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Anyway, it’s good that it is under control in Vic now
Until they let them out again, and they all go back to crowding into the ‘laneways’ cafes and pretending like mad that they’re in Paris or something and that viruses are really a ‘Sydney’ sort of thing and Melburnians wouldn’t be so gauche as to be infected with them.
… outdoor risk is significantly lower … comparable to being masked …
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
Anyway, it’s good that it is under control in Vic now
Is it?
Oh good.
What is under control?
Labor
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:Dunno how the Covid state reports but page 12 has healthcare worker infections for Nsw.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20201009.pdf
So none in NSW, or not reported.
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What are you reading? There were 6 listed week ending October 10
Sorry…I went to page 12 of your link. Hasn’t got week ending October 10, it is for week ending October 3. I can’t see any healthcare worker deaths. I’m after the risk of the infection killing in that population.
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:So none in NSW, or not reported.
(Back later)
What are you reading? There were 6 listed week ending October 10
Sorry…I went to page 12 of your link. Hasn’t got week ending October 10, it is for week ending October 3. I can’t see any healthcare worker deaths. I’m after the risk of the infection killing in that population.
Oh, deaths, there aren’t (m)any in healthcare workers as defined by NSW Health. You’d have to go through every update since the start of the outbreak reporting to get the data. It’s there though.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:What are you reading? There were 6 listed week ending October 10
Sorry…I went to page 12 of your link. Hasn’t got week ending October 10, it is for week ending October 3. I can’t see any healthcare worker deaths. I’m after the risk of the infection killing in that population.
Oh, deaths, there aren’t (m)any in healthcare workers as defined by NSW Health. You’d have to go through every update since the start of the outbreak reporting to get the data. It’s there though.
It just seems that there are very few, for the amount of angst about. People working with sick people are obviously at higher risk of picking up the infection, yes, I get that. But they don’t seem to be dying from it when they do catch it. I’m not even sure that many are getting terribly sick with it. We see some reported in the news, but it’s very difficult to get any concept of how many they are, or if they are just the newsworthy ones and all the people who get it and get over it are not reported on the telly. It does seem in the Victorian news to be mostly the same nurse couple the ABC keeps going to all the time.
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:Sorry…I went to page 12 of your link. Hasn’t got week ending October 10, it is for week ending October 3. I can’t see any healthcare worker deaths. I’m after the risk of the infection killing in that population.
Oh, deaths, there aren’t (m)any in healthcare workers as defined by NSW Health. You’d have to go through every update since the start of the outbreak reporting to get the data. It’s there though.
It just seems that there are very few, for the amount of angst about. People working with sick people are obviously at higher risk of picking up the infection, yes, I get that. But they don’t seem to be dying from it when they do catch it. I’m not even sure that many are getting terribly sick with it. We see some reported in the news, but it’s very difficult to get any concept of how many they are, or if they are just the newsworthy ones and all the people who get it and get over it are not reported on the telly. It does seem in the Victorian news to be mostly the same nurse couple the ABC keeps going to all the time.
Kills the old and diseased, not many 90 year old nurses on active duty these days.
buffy said:
It just seems that there are very few, for the amount of angst about. People working with sick people are obviously at higher risk of picking up the infection, yes, I get that. But they don’t seem to be dying from it when they do catch it. I’m not even sure that many are getting terribly sick with it. We see some reported in the news, but it’s very difficult to get any concept of how many they are, or if they are just the newsworthy ones and all the people who get it and get over it are not reported on the telly. It does seem in the Victorian news to be mostly the same nurse couple the ABC keeps going to all the time.
Most people working in healthcare systems are young, healthy, and tough. There are some old gits, like me, who would probably cark it at the least provocation, but the rest seem to get by on youth, caffeine, and copious off-roster alcohol.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:Oh, deaths, there aren’t (m)any in healthcare workers as defined by NSW Health. You’d have to go through every update since the start of the outbreak reporting to get the data. It’s there though.
It just seems that there are very few, for the amount of angst about. People working with sick people are obviously at higher risk of picking up the infection, yes, I get that. But they don’t seem to be dying from it when they do catch it. I’m not even sure that many are getting terribly sick with it. We see some reported in the news, but it’s very difficult to get any concept of how many they are, or if they are just the newsworthy ones and all the people who get it and get over it are not reported on the telly. It does seem in the Victorian news to be mostly the same nurse couple the ABC keeps going to all the time.
Kills the old and diseased, not many 90 year old nurses on active duty these days.
This is sort of what I am getting at. The news would have you believe workers in the health fields are all living in terror of catching it.
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:It just seems that there are very few, for the amount of angst about. People working with sick people are obviously at higher risk of picking up the infection, yes, I get that. But they don’t seem to be dying from it when they do catch it. I’m not even sure that many are getting terribly sick with it. We see some reported in the news, but it’s very difficult to get any concept of how many they are, or if they are just the newsworthy ones and all the people who get it and get over it are not reported on the telly. It does seem in the Victorian news to be mostly the same nurse couple the ABC keeps going to all the time.
Kills the old and diseased, not many 90 year old nurses on active duty these days.
This is sort of what I am getting at. The news would have you believe workers in the health fields are all living in terror of catching it.
Well, some of us are, but not because it might kill us…we’d have to shut down our shops/clinics/etc if we were infected and possibly be responsible for spreading it to the vulnerable who we are in contact with/frequent the shop/clinic.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:Kills the old and diseased, not many 90 year old nurses on active duty these days.
This is sort of what I am getting at. The news would have you believe workers in the health fields are all living in terror of catching it.
Well, some of us are, but not because it might kill us…we’d have to shut down our shops/clinics/etc if we were infected and possibly be responsible for spreading it to the vulnerable who we are in contact with/frequent the shop/clinic.
I quite understand that viewpoint. I’m very pleased not to have to deal with it. I have thought about how I would have managed the practice, but because we were so small, it would have been possible. If one of us had tested positive it would have meant a two week closedown. Also being in regional Victoria, it would have been possible to continue limited work with those needing it, just not “routine” testing. A patient an hour would keep the place turning over, not profitable, but turning over, and people needing care could be pretty much guaranteed not to meet other patients, if properly managed. Bummer for the really commercial practices who didn’t see nonstop eye disease…
But it’s not how it is reported. It’s reported that healthcare workers are in fear of dying.
Anyway, I’m off to bed.
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:This is sort of what I am getting at. The news would have you believe workers in the health fields are all living in terror of catching it.
Well, some of us are, but not because it might kill us…we’d have to shut down our shops/clinics/etc if we were infected and possibly be responsible for spreading it to the vulnerable who we are in contact with/frequent the shop/clinic.
I quite understand that viewpoint. I’m very pleased not to have to deal with it. I have thought about how I would have managed the practice, but because we were so small, it would have been possible. If one of us had tested positive it would have meant a two week closedown. Also being in regional Victoria, it would have been possible to continue limited work with those needing it, just not “routine” testing. A patient an hour would keep the place turning over, not profitable, but turning over, and people needing care could be pretty much guaranteed not to meet other patients, if properly managed. Bummer for the really commercial practices who didn’t see nonstop eye disease…
But it’s not how it is reported. It’s reported that healthcare workers are in fear of dying.
Anyway, I’m off to bed.
Wait, are you expecting quality journalism in Australia? That’s even odder than your love of mowing and weeding.
Greater Germany is doing a lot better than the rest of Europe.
Confirmed cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.
I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
monkey skipper said:
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
Water recycling involves purification of biological particles MUCH smaller than a virus.
monkey skipper said:
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
I think they lotsa chlorine in the water before it goes back out.
dv said:
monkey skipper said:
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
Water recycling involves purification of biological particles MUCH smaller than a virus.
Have they tested the recycled water even so?
Indeed, the recycled water in Singapore is a good deal more pure than the water derived from the reservoirs.
(perhaps because people keep drowning themselves in the reservoir)
dv said:
(perhaps because people keep drowning themselves in the reservoir)
unfortunate really
monkey skipper said:
dv said:
monkey skipper said:
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
Water recycling involves purification of biological particles MUCH smaller than a virus.
Have they tested the recycled water even so?
Yes there’s a constant testing regime for metals, plastics and biological compounds.
monkey skipper said:
dv said:
(perhaps because people keep drowning themselves in the reservoir)
unfortunate really
Very much bad luck indeed. And anyway you can’t prove otherwise.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:Well, some of us are, but not because it might kill us…we’d have to shut down our shops/clinics/etc if we were infected and possibly be responsible for spreading it to the vulnerable who we are in contact with/frequent the shop/clinic.
I quite understand that viewpoint. I’m very pleased not to have to deal with it. I have thought about how I would have managed the practice, but because we were so small, it would have been possible. If one of us had tested positive it would have meant a two week closedown. Also being in regional Victoria, it would have been possible to continue limited work with those needing it, just not “routine” testing. A patient an hour would keep the place turning over, not profitable, but turning over, and people needing care could be pretty much guaranteed not to meet other patients, if properly managed. Bummer for the really commercial practices who didn’t see nonstop eye disease…
But it’s not how it is reported. It’s reported that healthcare workers are in fear of dying.
Anyway, I’m off to bed.
Wait, are you expecting quality journalism in Australia? That’s even odder than your love of mowing and weeding.
that aside, a few other considerations might be
they’re in fear of their older family and friends dying
they’re in fear of chronic postviral illness fkng up their life their work their other young relatives who might want to be high functioning and would end up highly dependent
they’re in fear of ending up in intensive care and even though they will survive it it’s probably still fkn scary, it takes a ventilator away from anyone else who needs it, and of course they’re less likely to die from it because they are young and part of the system so the system is going to pull out more stops to help them
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/there-is-always-one-patient-that-will-get-to-you
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/he-was-a-nurse-like-me
party_pants said:
monkey skipper said:
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
I think they lotsa chlorine in the water before it goes back out.
and probably UV.
dv said:
Indeed, the recycled water in Singapore is a good deal more pure than the water derived from the reservoirs.
A bit surprising.
It’s amazing how smell carries through in recycled water that is considered “pure”. Because smelly molecules are small molecules so can’t easily be filtered out, and because smelly molecules are not ions so can’t be removed by ion exchange.
Australian desalinated water is definitely not up to the quality of reservoir water. To get desalinated water that pure would double the cost.
party_pants said:
monkey skipper said:
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
I think they lotsa chlorine in the water before it goes back out.
and probably UV.
Effluent gets treated at existing wastewater treatment plants before it reaches the recycling plant. The recycled water is then mixed with the natural water supply.
After going through micro filters, the water undergoes a reverse osmosis process, which involves forcing the water molecules across a dense plastic film. Water can pass through the film, but other molecules (even tiny salt molecules) and microbes (including viruses and bacteria) can’t.
As an added precaution the water undergoes oxidation and disinfection, using hydrogen peroxide and very strong ultraviolet light.
The recycled water is then added to a reservoir or groundwater aquifer, where it can be stored and blended with the regular water supply.
Before being put into the drinking water system, the blended recycled and regular water also undergoes the normal drinking water treatment process.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Badchap on FBAnd just to preempt any bright spark who wants to pipe up about population difference or population density difference … it’s still about the actual numbers of new daily cases.
Europe and the UK are on the verge of having their health care systems utterly overwhelmed.
This is not a game of political point scoring.
yeah but that’s ‘cause France has 10 times as many people and 3 times the density
OK FINE WE APOLOGISE
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
monkey skipper said:
I just thought about something. They have detected covid in sewrage water in Australia in recent days.I wonder if they have tested water in nations that drink their recycled water if covid has made it through the purification processes?
I wonder if there is a higher number of infections in nations who drink recycled water?
I think they lotsa chlorine in the water before it goes back out.
and probably UV.
Effluent gets treated at existing wastewater treatment plants before it reaches the recycling plant. The recycled water is then mixed with the natural water supply.
After going through micro filters, the water undergoes a reverse osmosis process, which involves forcing the water molecules across a dense plastic film. Water can pass through the film, but other molecules (even tiny salt molecules) and microbes (including viruses and bacteria) can’t.
As an added precaution the water undergoes oxidation and disinfection, using hydrogen peroxide and very strong ultraviolet light.
The recycled water is then added to a reservoir or groundwater aquifer, where it can be stored and blended with the regular water supply.
Before being put into the drinking water system, the blended recycled and regular water also undergoes the normal drinking water treatment process.
So Drinking Bleach And Bright Light Really Do Work See What Did Your Very Stable Genius Tell You
dv said:
monkey skipper said:
dv said:Water recycling involves purification of biological particles MUCH smaller than a virus.
Have they tested the recycled water even so?
Yes there’s a constant testing regime for metals, plastics and biological compounds.
I am aware they test the water and can test it at the last point before it passes along to the consumption point. I wanted to know if they have looked for covid in the water that has been recycled globally?
“Do wastewater and recycled water treatment plants treat COVID-19?
Yes, wastewater treatment plants treat viruses and other pathogens. Coronavirus, which causes COVID-19, is a type of virus that is particularly susceptible to disinfection. Standard treatment and disinfectant processes at wastewater treatment plants are expected to be effective. Source: US EPA. “
monkey skipper said:
dv said:
monkey skipper said:Have they tested the recycled water even so?
Yes there’s a constant testing regime for metals, plastics and biological compounds.
I am aware they test the water and can test it at the last point before it passes along to the consumption point. I wanted to know if they have looked for covid in the water that has been recycled globally?
don’t know but what we have seen is articles that claim that ingested SARS-CoV-2 (as opposed to inhaled) leads to milder infection and possibly more benefit in terms of immunity
then again if you shower with recycled water it might be aerosolised and inhaled
our hypothesis would be that there is effectively zero recycled water transmission of SARS-CoV-2 but as we say, don’t really know
monkey skipper said:
“Do wastewater and recycled water treatment plants treat COVID-19?
Yes, wastewater treatment plants treat viruses and other pathogens. Coronavirus, which causes COVID-19, is a type of virus that is particularly susceptible to disinfection. Standard treatment and disinfectant processes at wastewater treatment plants are expected to be effective. Source: US EPA. “
let’s see that sentence again
Coronavirus, which causes COVID-19, is a type of virus that is particularly susceptible to disinfection.
that tells us something, this idea that the virus is actually really fkn easy to kill, it really does
how can all these advanced human societies fail so hard at controlling a virus that is fkn easy to kill
…
SCIENCE said:
monkey skipper said:
“Do wastewater and recycled water treatment plants treat COVID-19?
Yes, wastewater treatment plants treat viruses and other pathogens. Coronavirus, which causes COVID-19, is a type of virus that is particularly susceptible to disinfection. Standard treatment and disinfectant processes at wastewater treatment plants are expected to be effective. Source: US EPA. “
let’s see that sentence again
Coronavirus, which causes COVID-19, is a type of virus that is particularly susceptible to disinfection.
that tells us something, this idea that the virus is actually really fkn easy to kill, it really does
how can all these advanced human societies fail so hard at controlling a virus that is fkn easy to kill
…
cos they took our guns!
“ Samples of sewage taken from Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast have tested positive for coronavirus.
Traces of coronavirus were found in Townsville’s sewage earlier this month, which Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said could have been from an asymptomatic person still shedding the virus.
Wastewater in Townsville, in north Queensland, has since tested negative but samples from October 12 and 13 taken at Sandgate, Maroochydore and Wynnum in the state’s south-east tested positive.
“It could of course be someone who recently had the infection and then has gone to those places, so they’re not infectious, they’ve recovered but they’re still shedding virus, it could be that,” Dr Young said.
“But it could of course be a person that we’ve not picked up, that’s out there in the community.
“We have most recently seen, both in Victoria and New South Wales, that when they’ve had positive results in their sewage, they’ve gone out then and done more testing and they have found cases.
“That could be happening here in Queensland, so although it’s now over a month since we’ve had an infectious case in the community, we could have an infectious case again any day.”
Queensland recorded no new cases of coronavirus overnight.
The state’s total remains at 1,164 with four cases still listed as active.
Dr Young said it was “absolutely critical’ any new cases were detected as soon as possible for the health system to be able to manage them.
“We don’t know how long, someone can continue to shed the virus, we know from other situations you can shed virus for months and months and months, it’s probably the case here,” she said.
Blood samples from an woman who tested positive, several days after leaving Queensland and arriving in Victoria, have also now tested negative in serology tests.
Dr Young said the samples were taken before the woman left Queensland and before she was showing any symptoms.
“It doesn’t confirm anything but it just suggests that she didn’t have the infection while she was in Queensland,” she said.
The woman had visited several locations in Townsville and Cairns, including medical facilities, before flying to Melbourne on October 7 .
Dr Young said Queensland Health was still waiting on results from tests in Melbourne to confirm the woman’s case”
The live broadcast of Andrews’ daily briefing has just started – Six million people are now holding their collective breath.
Rule 303 said:
The live broadcast of Andrews’ daily briefing has just started – Six million people are now holding their collective breath.
I’d say most of them are watching the start of Bathurst.
apparently Mandatory Mask Palestine are killing it
and what they wanted from Dan but played by Milos there
Rule 303 said:
The live broadcast of Andrews’ daily briefing has just started – Six million people are now holding their collective breath.
I suspect that non-compliance to the newly announced rules is going to be off the charts next weekend.
Be very interesting polling on Dan’s favourability this week. I suspect his numbers will be plummeting.
I see Sweden dropped another notch to 15th in the deaths per million table. They were at 14 for a while there.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
The live broadcast of Andrews’ daily briefing has just started – Six million people are now holding their collective breath.
I suspect that non-compliance to the newly announced rules is going to be off the charts next weekend.
I mean you could be right, Torians sure are ornery, but why do you think this will happen?
dv said:
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
The live broadcast of Andrews’ daily briefing has just started – Six million people are now holding their collective breath.
I suspect that non-compliance to the newly announced rules is going to be off the charts next weekend.
I mean you could be right, Torians sure are ornery, but why do you think this will happen?
Grand final next weekend. Cannot visit other peoples houses. Down to 2 cases per day. NSW had 5 today and they can flock together like pigeons. The Herald Sun will no doubt be laying in the boot.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:I suspect that non-compliance to the newly announced rules is going to be off the charts next weekend.
I mean you could be right, Torians sure are ornery, but why do you think this will happen?
Grand final next weekend. Cannot visit other peoples houses. Down to 2 cases per day. NSW had 5 today and they can flock together like pigeons. The Herald Sun will no doubt be laying in the boot.
NSW had 1 case of local transmission today but 4 cases of hotel quarantine from overseas travellers.
All Victorian cases are local, they don’t take any international flights and haven’t done so for months.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Rule 303 said:
The live broadcast of Andrews’ daily briefing has just started – Six million people are now holding their collective breath.
I suspect that non-compliance to the newly announced rules is going to be off the charts next weekend.
I mean you could be right, Torians sure are ornery, but why do you think this will happen?
Grenfornal.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I mean you could be right, Torians sure are ornery, but why do you think this will happen?
Grand final next weekend. Cannot visit other peoples houses. Down to 2 cases per day. NSW had 5 today and they can flock together like pigeons. The Herald Sun will no doubt be laying in the boot.
NSW had 1 case of local transmission today but 4 cases of hotel quarantine from overseas travellers.
All Victorian cases are local, they don’t take any international flights and haven’t done so for months.
Yes, and that’s exactly how the Herald Sun will spin it, just below the banner headline “Dan is Right”.
Qld Health is encouraging people to get tested after Covid was discovered in sewerage.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-18/25-new-zealanders-fly-into-wa-under-travel-bubble-arrangement/12779978
Oh dear. Communications…..
The Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge has shrugged off the concerns.
He said border restrictions were a matter for each jurisdiction, and the potential for infection to be carried from New Zealand was “incredibly low”.
“The risks are so low, given that the 14-day rolling average of coronavirus cases in New Zealand is precisely zero. That is, there is no community transmission in New Zealand,” he said.
Mr Andrews said he wanted to work with the Federal Government to “fix” the situation, and last night police and public health officials spent many hours contacting the new arrivals to explain Victoria’s coronavirus restrictions.
“I’ve got no power to stop them coming in,” he said.
“No-one is alleging that the virus is hiding in New Zealand — it’s not.
“What was concerning is that a bunch of people turned up and we didn’t know about it.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-18/daniel-andrews-says-victoria-does-not-want-nz-arrivals-just-yet/12779870
Apparently it’s cool to talk smack about failures of contact tracing and quarantine in some corner state … and then ensure the failures continue by keeping them in the dark*¡
*: by burning coal
(CNN)White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Scott Atlas sought to undermine the importance of face masks on Saturday as coronavirus cases spike across the US.
Atlas wrote in a tweet, “Masks work? NO” followed by a series of misrepresentations about the science behind the effectiveness of masks in combating the pandemic. The tweet links to an article in the American Institute for Economic Research that argues against the effectiveness of masks, among other things.
The message pushed by the controversial neuroradiologist goes against guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which recommends people wear masks in public settings and when around people who don’t live in their household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/scott-atlas-face-masks-coronavirus/index.html
dv said:
(CNN)White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Scott Atlas sought to undermine the importance of face masks on Saturday as coronavirus cases spike across the US.Atlas wrote in a tweet, “Masks work? NO” followed by a series of misrepresentations about the science behind the effectiveness of masks in combating the pandemic. The tweet links to an article in the American Institute for Economic Research that argues against the effectiveness of masks, among other things.
The message pushed by the controversial neuroradiologist goes against guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which recommends people wear masks in public settings and when around people who don’t live in their household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/scott-atlas-face-masks-coronavirus/index.html
Would never happen in China.
dv said:
(CNN)White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Scott Atlas sought to undermine the importance of face masks on Saturday as coronavirus cases spike across the US.Atlas wrote in a tweet, “Masks work? NO” followed by a series of misrepresentations about the science behind the effectiveness of masks in combating the pandemic. The tweet links to an article in the American Institute for Economic Research that argues against the effectiveness of masks, among other things.
The message pushed by the controversial neuroradiologist goes against guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which recommends people wear masks in public settings and when around people who don’t live in their household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/scott-atlas-face-masks-coronavirus/index.html
Bar-steward.
Twenty-five travellers from New Zealand fly into WA under coronavirus trans-Tasman travel bubble arrangement
The West Australian Premier Mark McGowan says 25 travellers from New Zealand, including a child, have flown into Perth overnight despite WA not being part of the travel bubble arrangement.
All bar one of the New Zealand arrivals remain in hotel quarantine, with the child traveller in a “quarantine arrangement” with a family member.
It comes after 17 people flew from Sydney to Melbourne shortly after arriving from New Zealand, following the travel bubble arrangement coming into effect on Friday.
Mr McGowan described the situation as “fluid” and said the State Government was “doing our best to manage it”.
dv said:
Twenty-five travellers from New Zealand fly into WA under coronavirus trans-Tasman travel bubble arrangementThe West Australian Premier Mark McGowan says 25 travellers from New Zealand, including a child, have flown into Perth overnight despite WA not being part of the travel bubble arrangement.
All bar one of the New Zealand arrivals remain in hotel quarantine, with the child traveller in a “quarantine arrangement” with a family member.
It comes after 17 people flew from Sydney to Melbourne shortly after arriving from New Zealand, following the travel bubble arrangement coming into effect on Friday.
Mr McGowan described the situation as “fluid” and said the State Government was “doing our best to manage it”.
so is it federal leaving states out to dry or something else
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Twenty-five travellers from New Zealand fly into WA under coronavirus trans-Tasman travel bubble arrangementThe West Australian Premier Mark McGowan says 25 travellers from New Zealand, including a child, have flown into Perth overnight despite WA not being part of the travel bubble arrangement.
All bar one of the New Zealand arrivals remain in hotel quarantine, with the child traveller in a “quarantine arrangement” with a family member.
It comes after 17 people flew from Sydney to Melbourne shortly after arriving from New Zealand, following the travel bubble arrangement coming into effect on Friday.
Mr McGowan described the situation as “fluid” and said the State Government was “doing our best to manage it”.
so is it federal leaving states out to dry or something else
Point-scoring, I reckon.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Twenty-five travellers from New Zealand fly into WA under coronavirus trans-Tasman travel bubble arrangementThe West Australian Premier Mark McGowan says 25 travellers from New Zealand, including a child, have flown into Perth overnight despite WA not being part of the travel bubble arrangement.
All bar one of the New Zealand arrivals remain in hotel quarantine, with the child traveller in a “quarantine arrangement” with a family member.
It comes after 17 people flew from Sydney to Melbourne shortly after arriving from New Zealand, following the travel bubble arrangement coming into effect on Friday.
Mr McGowan described the situation as “fluid” and said the State Government was “doing our best to manage it”.
so is it federal leaving states out to dry or something else
Yeah but it is not as though they are targetting just Labor states oh wait
JudgeMental said:
:)
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
The acting federal immigration minister Alan Tudge has blamed the Victorian government for not restricting interstate travel, thereby allowing a group of international travellers to breach the established “travel bubble”, while Daniel Andrews has accused the federal government of not keeping track of travellers they have allowed into the country.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/18/immigration-minister-points-finger-at-victoria-over-new-zealand-travellers
A federal vs state bun-fight over travel restrictions is all we need now.
the feds have said that it is up to visitors to do the right thing.
that always works well.
That assumes that visitors know/are up to date on what is happening in the place they haven’t got to yet.
WAIT
Tudge has blamed the Victorian government for not restricting interstate travel,
WHAT
THE
FUCK
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/megaphone-madness-how-reckless-media-impeded-victorias-covid-19-recovery/
5 km limit now 25 km. That allows me space to visit my further Aussie bird survey favourites, starting with Springvale Cemetery, and finishing with the most difficult part to get to of Pines Flora and Fauna Reserve in North Frankston.
Lowest incidence of flu-like illnesses since the start of June.
https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
Dark Orange said:
https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
an influencza victim.
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
an influencza victim.
An Influencer victim.
Tamb said:
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
an influencza victim.
An Influencer victim.
He does look like someone old with comorbidities.
Tamb said:
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
an influencza victim.
An Influencer victim.
this is all bullshit fake news anyway, COVID-19 has negligible mortality under age 120 years, he’s just covering up his ties to the BIDEN EPSTEIN 5G crime ring
we see that sarahs mum is thinking the same thing
Dark Orange said:
https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
Folks, this is why we take the advice of experts…
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
Folks, this is why we take the advice of experts…
Probably watches FOX news.
Jeremy’s brother is at it again:
Conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn tells crowd of unmasked protesters ‘covid is a hoax’
The former Labour leader’s brother urged the crowd to break all lockdown measures
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/conspiracy-theorist-piers-corbyn-tells-19125232
Bubblecar said:
Jeremy’s brother is at it again:Conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn tells crowd of unmasked protesters ‘covid is a hoax’
The former Labour leader’s brother urged the crowd to break all lockdown measures
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/conspiracy-theorist-piers-corbyn-tells-19125232
I really, really don’t understand why people do this sort of stuff.
‘I had to sell my parrot’: The male strippers struggling to get by in the pandemic
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/i-sell-parrot-male-strippers-19091209
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Jeremy’s brother is at it again:Conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn tells crowd of unmasked protesters ‘covid is a hoax’
The former Labour leader’s brother urged the crowd to break all lockdown measures
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/conspiracy-theorist-piers-corbyn-tells-19125232
I really, really don’t understand why people do this sort of stuff.
I have discovered that someone I admire a lot is a bit of a COVID denialist (this is what happens when you move the relationship to twitter inclusion). He seems to support the opening of borders and herd immunity and that the wearing of masks is ineffective. Now, he is a smart man.. and is not prone to knee jerk reactions to things… so I have put this down to anger. We know that anger is a secondary emotion to fear, frustration, sadness or anxiety.. and I suspect that he is frustrated he cannot travel (for work) like he was… always off to the US or the UK to work with police as a profiling expert… and also anxious, maybe, that investigations are still getting done without his common input… that’s all I have on why people say these things..
Bubblecar said:
‘I had to sell my parrot’: The male strippers struggling to get by in the pandemichttps://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/i-sell-parrot-male-strippers-19091209
Did he sell his budgie-smugglers too?
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
‘I had to sell my parrot’: The male strippers struggling to get by in the pandemichttps://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/i-sell-parrot-male-strippers-19091209
Did he sell his budgie-smugglers too?
LOL
The NSW Premier has announced more easing of restrictions around gatherings after the state recorded zero local cases of COVID-19 in the last 24 hours.
“This is good news to allow people to prepare for Christmas and the celebrations distract everyone from corruption scandals over summer,” Gladys Berejiklian said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-eased-around-gatherings/12781214
Ms Berejiklian said she hopes after the Queensland election on October 31 there will be some change to the Sunshine State’s “impossible” benchmark to open their border to NSW.
“They’re almost setting us up to fail and I hope that position changes in the next few weeks,” she said.
“I don’t know anywhere on the planet where you’ve got at least 8 million people with open borders where you’re going to be able to have zero cases of community transmission … for 28 days.”
—
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
but hey
*: they aren’t really people, they’re drones
**: reported cases, there’s actually probably 10000 times that many real cases, they’re lying
so maybe we should be popping our bubble wide open to them as well.
Love how the numbers are being selected specifically to include NSW and exclude NZ for instance…
SCIENCE said:
Ms Berejiklian said she hopes after the Queensland election on October 31 there will be some change to the Sunshine State’s “impossible” benchmark to open their border to NSW.
Last I heard, both Labor and LNP are taking the same stance on reopening the border. Unusual for politics, with an election in less than a fortnight, but here we are.
SCIENCE said:
The NSW Premier has announced more easing of restrictions around gatherings after the state recorded zero local cases of COVID-19 in the last 24 hours.“This is good news to
allow people to prepare for Christmas and the celebrationsdistract everyone from corruption scandals over summer,” Gladys Berejiklian said.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-eased-around-gatherings/12781214
Ms Berejiklian said she hopes after the Queensland election on October 31 there will be some change to the Sunshine State’s “impossible” benchmark to open their border to NSW.
“They’re almost setting us up to fail and I hope that position changes in the next few weeks,” she said.
“I don’t know anywhere on the planet where you’ve got at least 8 million people with open borders where you’re going to be able to have zero cases of community transmission … for 28 days.”
—
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
- more than 8 million people*
- borders that are open to other provinces
- zero cases** of community transmission
- for at least 28 days
but hey
*: they aren’t really people, they’re drones
**: reported cases, there’s actually probably 10000 times that many real cases, they’re lyingso maybe we should be popping our bubble wide open to them as well.
Love how the numbers are being selected specifically to include NSW and exclude NZ for instance…
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=china+covid&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
This shows that China is getting between 10-25 cases a day over the past few weeks.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
The NSW Premier has announced more easing of restrictions around gatherings after the state recorded zero local cases of COVID-19 in the last 24 hours.“This is good news to
allow people to prepare for Christmas and the celebrationsdistract everyone from corruption scandals over summer,” Gladys Berejiklian said.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-eased-around-gatherings/12781214
Ms Berejiklian said she hopes after the Queensland election on October 31 there will be some change to the Sunshine State’s “impossible” benchmark to open their border to NSW.
“They’re almost setting us up to fail and I hope that position changes in the next few weeks,” she said.
“I don’t know anywhere on the planet where you’ve got at least 8 million people with open borders where you’re going to be able to have zero cases of community transmission … for 28 days.”
—
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
- more than 8 million people*
- borders that are open to other provinces
- zero cases** of community transmission
- for at least 28 days
but hey
*: they aren’t really people, they’re drones
**: reported cases, there’s actually probably 10000 times that many real cases, they’re lyingso maybe we should be popping our bubble wide open to them as well.
Love how the numbers are being selected specifically to include NSW and exclude NZ for instance…
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=china+covid&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
This shows that China is getting between 10-25 cases a day over the past few weeks.
all locally acquired and spread out evenly across all provinces
Another Benefit Of Flock Immunity — The Economy Will Grow And Healthcare Workers Will Stay So The People Will Be Healthier Than Ever Before
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-16/survey-of-healthcare-workers-mental-health-issues-coronavirus/12772062
Possibly because they were not expecting them to actually turn up ¿
By Nicholas McElroy
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
The NSW Premier has announced more easing of restrictions around gatherings after the state recorded zero local cases of COVID-19 in the last 24 hours.“This is good news to
allow people to prepare for Christmas and the celebrationsdistract everyone from corruption scandals over summer,” Gladys Berejiklian said.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-eased-around-gatherings/12781214
Ms Berejiklian said she hopes after the Queensland election on October 31 there will be some change to the Sunshine State’s “impossible” benchmark to open their border to NSW.
“They’re almost setting us up to fail and I hope that position changes in the next few weeks,” she said.
“I don’t know anywhere on the planet where you’ve got at least 8 million people with open borders where you’re going to be able to have zero cases of community transmission … for 28 days.”
—
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
- more than 8 million people*
- borders that are open to other provinces
- zero cases** of community transmission
- for at least 28 days
but hey
*: they aren’t really people, they’re drones
**: reported cases, there’s actually probably 10000 times that many real cases, they’re lyingso maybe we should be popping our bubble wide open to them as well.
Love how the numbers are being selected specifically to include NSW and exclude NZ for instance…
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=china+covid&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
This shows that China is getting between 10-25 cases a day over the past few weeks.
all locally acquired and spread out evenly across all provinces
Isn’t that worse? If they were all in one province it would be easier to contain the outbreak and less of a reason for border restrictions among unaffected areas.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=china+covid&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
This shows that China is getting between 10-25 cases a day over the past few weeks.
all locally acquired and spread out evenly across all provinces
Isn’t that worse? If they were all in one province it would be easier to contain the outbreak and less of a reason for border restrictions among unaffected areas.
in which case we’re
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
more than 8 million people* borders that are open to other provinces zero cases** of community transmission for at least 28 daysbut hey
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:all locally acquired and spread out evenly across all provinces
Isn’t that worse? If they were all in one province it would be easier to contain the outbreak and less of a reason for border restrictions among unaffected areas.
in which case we’re
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
more than 8 million people* borders that are open to other provinces zero cases** of community transmission for at least 28 daysbut hey
So you’re calling out Berejiklian. Do you think QLD should open up the way China has considering community transmission there or is China too complacent?
Be interesting to see if the USA ends up with more deaths from Covid than killed in WW2, half way there if we go by Wikipedia stats of 405,399.
Probably be that high if they didn’t do half arsed quarantine measures
WARSAW (AFP) – A Polish gym has dubbed itself a church in a bid to stay open under new anti-virus restrictions that have seen the fitness industry scramble for creative loopholes.
“Because fitness classes aren’t allowed, starting today we’re offering religious gatherings for members of the Church of the Healthy Body,” the Atlantic Sports club said on Facebook.
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/polish-gym-dubs-itself-a-church-to-bypass-coronavirus-rules
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Isn’t that worse? If they were all in one province it would be easier to contain the outbreak and less of a reason for border restrictions among unaffected areas.
in which case we’re
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
more than 8 million people* borders that are open to other provinces zero cases** of community transmission for at least 28 daysbut hey
So you’re calling out Berejiklian. Do you think QLD should open up the way China has considering community transmission there or is China too complacent?
what do you mean, that was the case in the initial statement, and we think people should be honest and truthful, and that her claims are spurious
“impossible to get zero” is a lie
QLD and WEST TAIWAN can make their own choices
Cymek said:
Be interesting to see if the USA ends up with more deaths from Covid than killed in WW2, half way there if we go by Wikipedia stats of 405,399.
Probably be that high if they didn’t do half arsed quarantine measures
It’s a safe bet
dv said:
WARSAW (AFP) – A Polish gym has dubbed itself a church in a bid to stay open under new anti-virus restrictions that have seen the fitness industry scramble for creative loopholes.“Because fitness classes aren’t allowed, starting today we’re offering religious gatherings for members of the Church of the Healthy Body,” the Atlantic Sports club said on Facebook.
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/polish-gym-dubs-itself-a-church-to-bypass-coronavirus-rules
Janina’s niece in Poland has covid. She’s in week two and says she is feeling a bit better.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:in which case we’re
Pretty sure several provinces in WEST TAIWAN have
more than 8 million people* borders that are open to other provinces zero cases** of community transmission for at least 28 daysbut hey
So you’re calling out Berejiklian. Do you think QLD should open up the way China has considering community transmission there or is China too complacent?
what do you mean, that was the case in the initial statement, and we think people should be honest and truthful, and that her claims are spurious
“impossible to get zero” is a lie
QLD and WEST TAIWAN can make their own choices
Sorry I thought you were trying to say more than just criticising Berejiklian.
mollwollfumble said:
5 km limit now 25 km. That allows me space to visit my further Aussie bird survey favourites, starting with Springvale Cemetery, and finishing with the most difficult part to get to of Pines Flora and Fauna Reserve in North Frankston.Lowest incidence of flu-like illnesses since the start of June.
(I’m catching up)
If so few people are reporting flu-like symtoms to the tracker, how come so many people are getting COVID19 tests done?
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
5 km limit now 25 km. That allows me space to visit my further Aussie bird survey favourites, starting with Springvale Cemetery, and finishing with the most difficult part to get to of Pines Flora and Fauna Reserve in North Frankston.Lowest incidence of flu-like illnesses since the start of June.
(I’m catching up)
If so few people are reporting flu-like symtoms to the tracker, how come so many people are getting COVID19 tests done?
Smart enough to realise they could be asymptomatic?
More likely, the answer is not that many people are signed up to/reporting to Flutracker.
Imagine If We Could Stack A Supreme Court Against Such A Nanny State
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/coronavirus-vaccination-could-give-rise-to-family-law-dispute/12772912
Witty Rejoinder said:
Sorry I thought you were trying to say more than just criticising Berejiklian.
we’re saying less than that, all we’re saying is, sometimes claims don’t seem to hold up and therefore should not be used to drive policy
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
5 km limit now 25 km. That allows me space to visit my further Aussie bird survey favourites, starting with Springvale Cemetery, and finishing with the most difficult part to get to of Pines Flora and Fauna Reserve in North Frankston.Lowest incidence of flu-like illnesses since the start of June.
(I’m catching up)
If so few people are reporting flu-like symtoms to the tracker, how come so many people are getting COVID19 tests done?
Smart enough to realise they could be asymptomatic?
More likely, the answer is not that many people are signed up to/reporting to Flutracker.
eh
assuming (please correct us) that subscribers are representative of the general population, then 0.25% symptomatic in for example NSW means 0.0025 * 7500000 = 18750, compared to the most recently reported 24,539 tests in a week, which seems engineering-equal to us
if you’re all concerned at the 5789 test shortfall in symptoms, then maybe those include screening-surveillance type tests, like quarantine exit tests, and all that jazz
oh, and the fact that our 0.25% is intentionally underestimated (see image above for actual)
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
5 km limit now 25 km. That allows me space to visit my further Aussie bird survey favourites, starting with Springvale Cemetery, and finishing with the most difficult part to get to of Pines Flora and Fauna Reserve in North Frankston.Lowest incidence of flu-like illnesses since the start of June.
(I’m catching up)
If so few people are reporting flu-like symtoms to the tracker, how come so many people are getting COVID19 tests done?
Smart enough to realise they could be asymptomatic?
More likely, the answer is not that many people are signed up to/reporting to Flutracker.
>>More likely, the answer is not that many people are signed up to/reporting to Flutracker. <<
I think this is likely. Perhaps the people who are signed up are a subset of the COVID19 tests. You would have to imagine that is the case, as we are requested to be tested if you have symptoms. Lab confirmed flu this year is up to 21,000 now. But I suspect less testing for flu is happening because people go for a COVID19 test and then don’t go any further. We probably don’t have the capacity to do all the COVID19 testing as well as then going on with a flu test as well. We have never had a routine of testing everyone with symptoms before. Most often the GP just said, oh, you’ve got flu, and recommended the usual palliatives.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-dave-hughes-hits-out-at-daniel-andrews-brett-sutton/news-story/b74adc7b69e5af20ad39a2f1bf465eae
Comedian Dave Hughes has slammed Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and chief health officer Brett Sutton, over their threat to “keep Melburnians stuck at home” for the rest of 2020.
Referring to footage taken by 7 News on Friday night of people gathering in droves at St Kilda beach, Hughesy said Mr Andrews and Professor Sutton needed to “look beyond manipulated click bait”.
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-dave-hughes-hits-out-at-daniel-andrews-brett-sutton/news-story/b74adc7b69e5af20ad39a2f1bf465eaeComedian Dave Hughes has slammed Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and chief health officer Brett Sutton, over their threat to “keep Melburnians stuck at home” for the rest of 2020.
Referring to footage taken by 7 News on Friday night of people gathering in droves at St Kilda beach, Hughesy said Mr Andrews and Professor Sutton needed to “look beyond manipulated click bait”.
You know this is two weeks old, I take it?
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:(I’m catching up)
If so few people are reporting flu-like symtoms to the tracker, how come so many people are getting COVID19 tests done?
Smart enough to realise they could be asymptomatic?
More likely, the answer is not that many people are signed up to/reporting to Flutracker.
>>More likely, the answer is not that many people are signed up to/reporting to Flutracker. <<
I think this is likely. Perhaps the people who are signed up are a subset of the COVID19 tests. You would have to imagine that is the case, as we are requested to be tested if you have symptoms. Lab confirmed flu this year is up to 21,000 now. But I suspect less testing for flu is happening because people go for a COVID19 test and then don’t go any further. We probably don’t have the capacity to do all the COVID19 testing as well as then going on with a flu test as well. We have never had a routine of testing everyone with symptoms before. Most often the GP just said, oh, you’ve got flu, and recommended the usual palliatives.
> Perhaps the people who are signed up are a subset of the COVID19 tests
I’m signed up, and I haven’t done a Covid test.
People signed up include both those who have and haven’t had the flu injection. Last time I looked it was more that haven’t had a Flu shot.
It has observed that flu shots are totally ineffective in Australia – incidence of flu among those people who have had flu shots is the same as among those who haven’t. (Marginally effective in NZ, where those with flu shots are running about 90% the incidence of flu of those who haven’t). Presumably because flu strains change faster than vaccine updates.
Flutracker has considered the possibility that the flu season has just finished, so gave people the free option of exiting this week (first time).
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-dave-hughes-hits-out-at-daniel-andrews-brett-sutton/news-story/b74adc7b69e5af20ad39a2f1bf465eaeComedian Dave Hughes has slammed Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and chief health officer Brett Sutton, over their threat to “keep Melburnians stuck at home” for the rest of 2020.
Referring to footage taken by 7 News on Friday night of people gathering in droves at St Kilda beach, Hughesy said Mr Andrews and Professor Sutton needed to “look beyond manipulated click bait”.
Wake me up when he blasts the premier for not releasing the vaccine.
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-dave-hughes-hits-out-at-daniel-andrews-brett-sutton/news-story/b74adc7b69e5af20ad39a2f1bf465eaeComedian Dave Hughes has slammed Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and chief health officer Brett Sutton, over their threat to “keep Melburnians stuck at home” for the rest of 2020.
Referring to footage taken by 7 News on Friday night of people gathering in droves at St Kilda beach, Hughesy said Mr Andrews and Professor Sutton needed to “look beyond manipulated click bait”.
You know this is two weeks old, I take it?
Take a look at DV, he’s yesterday’s hero
Yesterday’s hero, that’s all he’ll be
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-dave-hughes-hits-out-at-daniel-andrews-brett-sutton/news-story/b74adc7b69e5af20ad39a2f1bf465eaeComedian Dave Hughes has slammed Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and chief health officer Brett Sutton, over their threat to “keep Melburnians stuck at home” for the rest of 2020.
Referring to footage taken by 7 News on Friday night of people gathering in droves at St Kilda beach, Hughesy said Mr Andrews and Professor Sutton needed to “look beyond manipulated click bait”.
Wake me up when he blasts the premier for not releasing the vaccine.
Bill Gates hasn’t quite finished his GPS tracker yet so the Illuminati have delayed their vaccine project.
JudgeMental said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-dave-hughes-hits-out-at-daniel-andrews-brett-sutton/news-story/b74adc7b69e5af20ad39a2f1bf465eaeComedian Dave Hughes has slammed Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and chief health officer Brett Sutton, over their threat to “keep Melburnians stuck at home” for the rest of 2020.
Referring to footage taken by 7 News on Friday night of people gathering in droves at St Kilda beach, Hughesy said Mr Andrews and Professor Sutton needed to “look beyond manipulated click bait”.
You know this is two weeks old, I take it?
Take a look at DV, he’s yesterday’s hero
Yesterday’s hero, that’s all he’ll be
Captain Hindsight
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-dave-hughes-hits-out-at-daniel-andrews-brett-sutton/news-story/b74adc7b69e5af20ad39a2f1bf465eaeComedian Dave Hughes has slammed Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and chief health officer Brett Sutton, over their threat to “keep Melburnians stuck at home” for the rest of 2020.
Referring to footage taken by 7 News on Friday night of people gathering in droves at St Kilda beach, Hughesy said Mr Andrews and Professor Sutton needed to “look beyond manipulated click bait”.
You know this is two weeks old, I take it?
Your faith in my grasp on chronology is most flattering.
apparently some countries with fair pandemic control are posting significant Q3 growth, probably a bunch of lies though
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/another-24-cases-of-coronavirus-on-al-messilah-at-fremantle-port/12782686
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/new-zealand-journalist-feted-for-brutal-takedown-of-minor-party-politician
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/new-zealand-journalist-feted-for-brutal-takedown-of-minor-party-politician
Should be more of it.
Another one from my sister in Texas.
https://www.facebook.com/DoghouseBlog/videos/810733649679174
Animation about wearing a mask.
Dark Orange said:
https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
…and the Dunning-Kruger gang are onto it already…
“did u attend the funeral ? Or you just believing the media ?”
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
…and the Dunning-Kruger gang are onto it already…
“did u attend the funeral ? Or you just believing the media ?”
It is Sky news.
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk dies from COVID-19 after denying its existence
Dmitriy Stuzhuk told his followers that coronavirus didn’t exist – but then he died from the disease.
…and the Dunning-Kruger gang are onto it already…
“did u attend the funeral ? Or you just believing the media ?”
It is Sky news.
If it’s been reported on Sky then you know it’s true in this case. They’d be crowing from the rooftops if it was false.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/13/science.abe5960
whatever dude you’re going to die anyway just fkn deal with it
SCIENCE said:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/13/science.abe5960
whatever dude you’re going to die anyway just fkn deal with it
or not
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/13/science.abe5960
whatever dude you’re going to die anyway just fkn deal with it
or not
yeah they could be in one of those places that has basically crushed the virus, but the economy is shit in those places so life is going to suck anyway
(apparently)
but yes apologies forgot to colour our assertions appropriately
Well well well what do we know eh ¿
These liars have found living coronavirus on the outer packaging of frozen stuff yet again, it’s both CHINA and CDC as they say 2 wongs make 1 light, we make the impossible possible.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2720MD
Prior to the CDC’s latest findings genetic traces of the virus had been found in some samples taken from frozen food or food packaging, but the amount of virus was low and no living virus was isolated, the agency said.
However, the CDC’s latest statement does not show solid proof that the two workers in Qingdao caught the virus from the packaging directly, rather than contracting the virus from somewhere else and then contaminating the food packaging they handled, said Jin Dong-Yan, a virology professor at the University of Hong Kong.
Obviously it’s more likely that West Taiwan lied about 0 local cases and they just cropped up again, than that virus could survive on surfaces and get moved around and then infect people in previously clean communities.
remember this, February, it’s been a long 8 months hey
at least it didn’t wipe out the forests and wild animals
wait, we’ll have another chance at over the next 4 months
The head (logic) is wrestling with emotions (the heart/emotional state/mental aspect) while some people will act on instinct to cope with covid.
Caring about a 2nd and 3rd wave will come down to the battle of the heart and the mind (I believe) as far as the gross populations globally dealing with it.
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.
The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
dv said:
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
The ABC news indicated they could be up for several fines. There are things you can’t do around The Shrine. They weren’t wearing masks. And there is a 25km limit to travel in Melbourne.
dv said:
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
I wonder why they’d collect the DNA of idiots
dv said:
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
If it wasn’t for people who take to the streets and get arrested and manhandled by the police, the agents of the establishment, we wouldn’t find out about this stuff.
Seems as though it is the same team that thinks there are thousands of children being kept under tunnels in Melbourne.
https://theconversation.com/what-lies-beneath-tunnels-for-trafficking-or-just-a-subterranean-service-time-to-rescue-these-spaces-from-the-conspiracists-144276
Cymek said:
dv said:
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
I wonder why they’d collect the DNA of idiots
To single them out and remove them?
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
If it wasn’t for people who take to the streets and get arrested and manhandled by the police, the agents of the establishment, we wouldn’t find out about this stuff.
and then what would there be to talk about apart from the weather and shoovels?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
If it wasn’t for people who take to the streets and get arrested and manhandled by the police, the agents of the establishment, we wouldn’t find out about this stuff.
and then what would there be to talk about apart from the weather and shoovels?
Howard Molson had a shoovel…
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters blocked traffic in the Melbourne CBD on Friday with chants of “free Victoria” and “sack Daniel Andrews”.The so-called Freedom Day began at 2pm at the Shrine of Remembrance, where protesters gathered holding placards and giving speeches before being encircled by a line of police.
One woman with a megaphone, who was later seen being led away by police, told the crowd “There is no such thing as COVID-19” and “There is no emergency, there is no pandemic”.
“They are collecting our DNA”, she said.
“This is a control tactic – the whole thing is a scam.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/frankly-shameful-daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-ahead-of-friday-action/news-story/5225d143db404d945164115ba980c91b
I wonder why they’d collect the DNA of idiots
To single them out and remove them?
Idiots aren’t born, they are raised. IMHO.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:I wonder why they’d collect the DNA of idiots
To single them out and remove them?
Idiots aren’t born, they are raised. IMHO.
Ahh, the old nature vs nurture debate.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:I wonder why they’d collect the DNA of idiots
To single them out and remove them?
Idiots aren’t born, they are raised. IMHO.
No argument from here.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:To single them out and remove them?
Idiots aren’t born, they are raised. IMHO.
Ahh, the old nature vs nurture debate.
There is no debate, I have issued a ruling on the matter, so it is now closed
:p
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:To single them out and remove them?
Idiots aren’t born, they are raised. IMHO.
Ahh, the old nature vs nurture debate.
Well if you keep nurturing nutbags then they’ll only do what is natural and procreate.
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Idiots aren’t born, they are raised. IMHO.
Ahh, the old nature vs nurture debate.
Well if you keep nurturing nutbags then they’ll only do what is natural and procreate.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:To single them out and remove them?
Idiots aren’t born, they are raised. IMHO.
Ahh, the old nature vs nurture debate.
