New month.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Well that’s one way to drain the swamp.

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Well that’s one way to drain the swamp.

is that why the link there is …COVIDra…

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Well that’s one way to drain the swamp.

LOL

“Wear a Mask”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvIu92lb0k

(Literal LOL @ “Mask-debaters”)

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Australia records first day of no Community transmission since June.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-mental-health/12836336

Divine Angel said:

Australia records first day of no Community transmission since June.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-mental-health/12836336

Praise the Lord.

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Australia records first day of no Community transmission since June.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-mental-health/12836336

Praise the Lord.

And keep the Yanks and the Poms out.

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Australia records first day of no Community transmission since June.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-mental-health/12836336

Praise the Lord.

And keep the Yanks and the Poms out.

We are lucky. We could have been listening to ScoMO and rupert.

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Australia records first day of no Community transmission since June.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-covid19-latest-mental-health/12836336

Praise the Lord.

And keep the Yanks and the Poms out.

Bayonets fixed and ready cap’n…

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Praise the Lord.

And keep the Yanks and the Poms out.

Bayonets fixed and ready cap’n…

:)

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Praise the Lord.

And keep the Yanks and the Poms out.

We are lucky. We could have been listening to ScoMO and rupert.

Yes with their and Gladys’s can do attitude it’s a wonder we didn’t get to 0 when CHINA Vietnam South Korea New Zealand Sweden did.

party_pants said:

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

Oh it’s worse than that. The government also issued a “eat out to help out” economic stimulus package where diners in restaurants got a govt subsidised 2 meals for the price of 1 provided they chose dine-in rather than take-away. There is some expert opinion that this contributed to the spread. Also they had a pubs must close at 10pm policy which was fucking genius.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

That’s convenient. Serco don’t have enough trained call centre staff to ring all of the people identified in the track and trace process to warn them to self-isolate because they have been exposed to someone who has just tested positive.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

Oh it’s worse than that. The government also issued a “eat out to help out” economic stimulus package where diners in restaurants got a govt subsidised 2 meals for the price of 1 provided they chose dine-in rather than take-away. There is some expert opinion that this contributed to the spread. Also they had a pubs must close at 10pm policy which was fucking genius.

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

That’s convenient. Serco don’t have enough trained call centre staff to ring all of the people identified in the track and trace process to warn them to self-isolate because they have been exposed to someone who has just tested positive.

can’t say we’re surprised

no tests by December 1 should fix it, can’t have cases when you have no tests

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

Oh it’s worse than that. The government also issued a “eat out to help out” economic stimulus package where diners in restaurants got a govt subsidised 2 meals for the price of 1 provided they chose dine-in rather than take-away. There is some expert opinion that this contributed to the spread. Also they had a pubs must close at 10pm policy which was fucking genius.

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

That’s convenient. Serco don’t have enough trained call centre staff to ring all of the people identified in the track and trace process to warn them to self-isolate because they have been exposed to someone who has just tested positive.

pardon formatting

can’t say we’re surprised

no tests by December 1 should fix it, can’t have cases when you have no tests

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

That’s convenient. Serco don’t have enough trained call centre staff to ring all of the people identified in the track and trace process to warn them to self-isolate because they have been exposed to someone who has just tested positive.

can’t say we’re surprised

no tests by December 1 should fix it, can’t have cases when you have no tests

Plagarist!

That was Trump’s notion.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

That’s convenient. Serco don’t have enough trained call centre staff to ring all of the people identified in the track and trace process to warn them to self-isolate because they have been exposed to someone who has just tested positive.

Testing is easy to check, a quick look at Worldometer says that the UK has the best testing rate per million than any other European country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-29/coronavirus-melbourne-how-we-hit-our-target/12826692

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

The UK have hit the 1 million mark. They are going to go into a hard lock down for a month. They don’t seem to have a workable test and trace system up and running yet, they have contracted it out to Serco who use unskilled minimum wage mostly young people without any medical training or background.

Setting a time criterion rather than a case criterion, this must be genius…

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

Yeah fair enough they’ve only had 8 months to gear up

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

TV says UK is also running out of test kits.

That’s convenient. Serco don’t have enough trained call centre staff to ring all of the people identified in the track and trace process to warn them to self-isolate because they have been exposed to someone who has just tested positive.

Testing is easy to check, a quick look at Worldometer says that the UK has the best testing rate per million than any other European country.

Testing is not much good if you can’t use the data.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

That’s convenient. Serco don’t have enough trained call centre staff to ring all of the people identified in the track and trace process to warn them to self-isolate because they have been exposed to someone who has just tested positive.

Testing is easy to check, a quick look at Worldometer says that the UK has the best testing rate per million than any other European country.

Testing is not much good if you can’t use the data.

Well that was the only thing I could check, iy checked out very well for the UK’s response.
The other assertions in your missive are harder to check.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/30/science/wear-mask-covid-particles-ul.html

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Testing is easy to check, a quick look at Worldometer says that the UK has the best testing rate per million than any other European country.

Testing is not much good if you can’t use the data.

Well that was the only thing I could check, iy checked out very well for the UK’s response.
The other assertions in your missive are harder to check.

These have been quite widely reported on in the UK press, some of it has also been picked up and reported in Australia, particularly in the Australian edition of The Guardian.

“The Victorian Opposition has released its “back-to-work plan” for the state’s coronavirus recovery, in which it suggests an ‘Eat out for Victoria’ program that would subsidise up to $20 from the bill for Victorians dining at restaurants for the first month after the state reaches COVID-normal restrictions.”

============

Oh look. Let’s use the system that helped the UK so well!

============

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/victoria-records-no-new-coronavirus-cases/12836364

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, boasted in mid-April about how the President had cut out the doctors and scientists advising him on the unfolding coronavirus pandemic, comments that came as more than 40,000 Americans already had died from the virus, which was ravaging New York City.

“That doesn’t mean there’s not still a lot of pain and there won’t be pain for a while, but that basically was, we’ve now put out rules to get back to work,” Kushner said. “Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday baselessly claimed that doctors are inflating the coronavirus death count for monetary gain while cases, hospitalizations and deaths surge across the country.

“Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean our doctors are very smart people. So what they do is they say ‘I’m sorry but everybody dies of Covid,’ “ Trump said, without citing any evidence, at a rally in Waterford Township, Michigan.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/30/politics/trump-doctors-covid/index.html

dv said:

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday baselessly claimed that doctors are inflating the coronavirus death count for monetary gain while cases, hospitalizations and deaths surge across the country.

“Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean our doctors are very smart people. So what they do is they say ‘I’m sorry but everybody dies of Covid,’ “ Trump said, without citing any evidence, at a rally in Waterford Township, Michigan.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/30/politics/trump-doctors-covid/index.html

You need to select your words carefully in this day and age. It’s very easy to be accused of dog whistling or to upset people, he should have clarified what he was saying and that those doing it were mainly Jewish doctors.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday baselessly claimed that doctors are inflating the coronavirus death count for monetary gain while cases, hospitalizations and deaths surge across the country.

“Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean our doctors are very smart people. So what they do is they say ‘I’m sorry but everybody dies of Covid,’ “ Trump said, without citing any evidence, at a rally in Waterford Township, Michigan.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/30/politics/trump-doctors-covid/index.html

You need to select your words carefully in this day and age. It’s very easy to be accused of dog whistling or to upset people, he should have clarified what he was saying and that those doing it were mainly Jewish doctors.

Rofl

dv said:

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, boasted in mid-April about how the President had cut out the doctors and scientists advising him on the unfolding coronavirus pandemic, comments that came as more than 40,000 Americans already had died from the virus, which was ravaging New York City.

“That doesn’t mean there’s not still a lot of pain and there won’t be pain for a while, but that basically was, we’ve now put out rules to get back to work,” Kushner said. “Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html

Trump had congenital FITH. What’s Kushner’s excuse?

Ian said:

dv said:

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, boasted in mid-April about how the President had cut out the doctors and scientists advising him on the unfolding coronavirus pandemic, comments that came as more than 40,000 Americans already had died from the virus, which was ravaging New York City.

“That doesn’t mean there’s not still a lot of pain and there won’t be pain for a while, but that basically was, we’ve now put out rules to get back to work,” Kushner said. “Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html

Trump had congenital FITH. What’s Kushner’s excuse?

Turns Out Vertical Transmission Isn’t The Only Mechanism

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday baselessly claimed that doctors are inflating the coronavirus death count for monetary gain while cases, hospitalizations and deaths surge across the country.

“Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean our doctors are very smart people. So what they do is they say ‘I’m sorry but everybody dies of Covid,’ “ Trump said, without citing any evidence, at a rally in Waterford Township, Michigan.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/30/politics/trump-doctors-covid/index.html

You need to select your words carefully in this day and age. It’s very easy to be accused of dog whistling or to upset people, he should have clarified what he was saying and that those doing it were mainly Jewish doctors.

snigger

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday baselessly claimed that doctors are inflating the coronavirus death count for monetary gain while cases, hospitalizations and deaths surge across the country.

“Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean our doctors are very smart people. So what they do is they say ‘I’m sorry but everybody dies of Covid,’ “ Trump said, without citing any evidence, at a rally in Waterford Township, Michigan.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/30/politics/trump-doctors-covid/index.html

You need to select your words carefully in this day and age. It’s very easy to be accused of dog whistling or to upset people, he should have clarified what he was saying and that those doing it were mainly Jewish doctors.

Hehehehe

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday baselessly claimed that doctors are inflating the coronavirus death count for monetary gain while cases, hospitalizations and deaths surge across the country.

“Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean our doctors are very smart people. So what they do is they say ‘I’m sorry but everybody dies of Covid,’ “ Trump said, without citing any evidence, at a rally in Waterford Township, Michigan.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/30/politics/trump-doctors-covid/index.html

You need to select your words carefully in this day and age. It’s very easy to be accused of dog whistling or to upset people, he should have clarified what he was saying and that those doing it were mainly Jewish doctors.

Hehehehe

George Soros certainly but what’s in it for Bill Gates?

(CNN)Dr. Deborah Birx emerged from a meeting at the White House one day in late summer with a new resolution: Never again would she sit in a meeting with Dr. Scott Atlas and listen to him pontificate on the pandemic.

That’s when she went all-in on a plan to essentially abandon the White House and avoid the growing influence of Atlas, a radiologist with no expertise in epidemiology who was nevertheless rising in influence with President Donald Trump.

Birx, a physician with decades of experience in global health, told a friend that she would take her message directly to the people and simply sidestep the kind of misleading messages she’d just heard from Atlas in that meeting. The friend requested anonymity to discuss the exchange with CNN.

——
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/deborah-birx-task-force-scott-atlas/index.html

dv said:

Birx, a physician with decades of experience in global health, told a friend that she would take her message directly to the people and simply sidestep the kind of misleading messages she’d just heard from Atlas in that meeting. The friend requested anonymity to discuss the exchange with CNN.

——
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/deborah-birx-task-force-scott-atlas/index.html

Hey “friend”, way to throw Birx under a bus and preserve your own skin!

… or was this Birx doing the leaking directly but trying establish an arms-length alibi?

dv said:

(CNN)Dr. Deborah Birx emerged from a meeting at the White House one day in late summer with a new resolution: Never again would she sit in a meeting with Dr. Scott Atlas and listen to him pontificate on the pandemic.

That’s when she went all-in on a plan to essentially abandon the White House and avoid the growing influence of Atlas, a radiologist with no expertise in epidemiology who was nevertheless rising in influence with President Donald Trump.

Birx, a physician with decades of experience in global health, told a friend that she would take her message directly to the people and simply sidestep the kind of misleading messages she’d just heard from Atlas in that meeting. The friend requested anonymity to discuss the exchange with CNN.

——
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/deborah-birx-task-force-scott-atlas/index.html

compared to Australia don’t we have some kind of health practitioner regulation body that would strip you of your licence if you were as horrible as Scott

party_pants said:

dv said:

Birx, a physician with decades of experience in global health, told a friend that she would take her message directly to the people and simply sidestep the kind of misleading messages she’d just heard from Atlas in that meeting. The friend requested anonymity to discuss the exchange with CNN.

——
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/deborah-birx-task-force-scott-atlas/index.html

Hey “friend”, way to throw Birx under a bus and preserve your own skin!

… or was this Birx doing the leaking directly but trying establish an arms-length alibi?

does sound like the latter doesn’t it

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

(CNN)Dr. Deborah Birx emerged from a meeting at the White House one day in late summer with a new resolution: Never again would she sit in a meeting with Dr. Scott Atlas and listen to him pontificate on the pandemic.

That’s when she went all-in on a plan to essentially abandon the White House and avoid the growing influence of Atlas, a radiologist with no expertise in epidemiology who was nevertheless rising in influence with President Donald Trump.

Birx, a physician with decades of experience in global health, told a friend that she would take her message directly to the people and simply sidestep the kind of misleading messages she’d just heard from Atlas in that meeting. The friend requested anonymity to discuss the exchange with CNN.

——
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/deborah-birx-task-force-scott-atlas/index.html

compared to Australia don’t we have some kind of health practitioner regulation body that would strip you of your licence if you were as horrible as Scott

We do, but I doubt that if he did the same thing here he would get deregistered by said agency.

For example, the Pfizer candidate vaccine needs to be stored at minus 80 degrees and requires two doses. Even in a resource-rich country like Australia, that will pose huge challenges. It may prove to be a major impediment in many low- and middle-income countries.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/covid-19-gap-widens-between-australia-and-the-rest-of-the-world-20201029-p569ub.html

sarahs mum said:

For example, the Pfizer candidate vaccine needs to be stored at minus 80 degrees and requires two doses. Even in a resource-rich country like Australia, that will pose huge challenges. It may prove to be a major impediment in many low- and middle-income countries.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/covid-19-gap-widens-between-australia-and-the-rest-of-the-world-20201029-p569ub.html

Jaysus, the Age is tugging at the dragon’s tail insinuating that Hong Kong is a country.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

For example, the Pfizer candidate vaccine needs to be stored at minus 80 degrees and requires two doses. Even in a resource-rich country like Australia, that will pose huge challenges. It may prove to be a major impediment in many low- and middle-income countries.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/covid-19-gap-widens-between-australia-and-the-rest-of-the-world-20201029-p569ub.html

Jaysus, the Age is tugging at the dragon’s tail insinuating that Hong Kong is a country.

Heh

dv said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

For example, the Pfizer candidate vaccine needs to be stored at minus 80 degrees and requires two doses. Even in a resource-rich country like Australia, that will pose huge challenges. It may prove to be a major impediment in many low- and middle-income countries.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/covid-19-gap-widens-between-australia-and-the-rest-of-the-world-20201029-p569ub.html

Jaysus, the Age is tugging at the dragon’s tail insinuating that Hong Kong is a country.

Heh

TBF, they also treat Scotland as a country.

Sky News Uncovers CCTV Footage Of Kevin Rudd Chowing Down On Some Bats In Wuhan Late Last Year

(link opens Beetoota Advocate article)

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Jaysus, the Age is tugging at the dragon’s tail insinuating that Hong Kong is a country.

Heh

TBF, they also treat Scotland as a country.

what do they think about separating out all the Australian (continent) countries

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Heh

TBF, they also treat Scotland as a country.

what do they think about separating out all the Australian (continent) countries

I think we here in Noongar country have done okay

dv said:

(CNN)Dr. Deborah Birx emerged from a meeting at the White House one day in late summer with a new resolution: Never again would she sit in a meeting with Dr. Scott Atlas and listen to him pontificate on the pandemic.

That’s when she went all-in on a plan to essentially abandon the White House and avoid the growing influence of Atlas, a radiologist with no expertise in epidemiology who was nevertheless rising in influence with President Donald Trump.

Birx, a physician with decades of experience in global health, told a friend that she would take her message directly to the people and simply sidestep the kind of misleading messages she’d just heard from Atlas in that meeting. The friend requested anonymity to discuss the exchange with CNN.

——
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/deborah-birx-task-force-scott-atlas/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/01/politics/donald-trump-anthony-fauci-2020-campaign/index.html

A once restrained Fauci unleashes on White House coronavirus approach days before election

As President Donald Trump fights his way through the final days of the presidential campaign denying the pandemic — by lashing out at doctors, disputing science and slashing the press for highlighting rising coronavirus case counts — the long-running rift between the White House and Dr. Anthony Fauci burst into the open Saturday night.

For months as Trump undercut his own medical experts, sidelined scientists and refused to take basic steps to control the virus while mocking former Vice President Joe Biden for wearing a mask, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist held his tongue and took the President’s attacks in stride as he continued to plead with the American people to socially distance and wear masks.
But Fauci’s restraint appeared to have evaporated in a Washington Post interview that was published Saturday night, in which he called out the White House for allowing its strategy for fighting the virus to be shaped in part by a neuroradiologist with no training in the field of infectious disease and said he appreciated chief of staff Mark Meadows’ honesty when he admitted to CNN’s Jake Tapper during a recent interview that the administration has given up controlling the spread of the virus.

At a time when Trump is downplaying the rising cases in the vast majority of states, dangerously holding huge rallies with few masks and no social distancing, and lodging the false and outlandish claim that doctors are exaggerating the number of Covid deaths for profit, Fauci told the Post that the nation is “in for a whole lot of hurt.”
“All the stars are aligned in the wrong place” as the country heads indoors in colder weather, Fauci told the newspaper in an interview late Friday — a day when the US set a global record for the most daily cases and the nation surpassed 229,000 deaths. “You could not possibly be positioned more poorly.”

So that’s why she pulled the NSW-QLD surprise, now she’s able to parry all further border assaults with the line that voters endorsed the Sydney exclusion. Neat.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

TBF, they also treat Scotland as a country.

what do they think about separating out all the Australian (continent) countries

I think we here in Noongar country have done okay

But how well are the Noongar doing?

dv said:

Well, that’s kind of messed up, then.

(Bit like a gas-fired recovery, closer to home.)

>>mandatory QR codes are still on the table for NSW, <<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-one-new-locally-transmitted-case-recorded/12837098

As a matter of interest, how many people wouldn’t have a phone capable of doing a QR code thing? And would this be discriminatory?

(Yes, I don’t have such a device, but I’m not in NSW. Here you just get written down in the book if you haven’t got a phone)

buffy said:

>>mandatory QR codes are still on the table for NSW, <<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-one-new-locally-transmitted-case-recorded/12837098

As a matter of interest, how many people wouldn’t have a phone capable of doing a QR code thing? And would this be discriminatory?

(Yes, I don’t have such a device, but I’m not in NSW. Here you just get written down in the book if you haven’t got a phone)

I’d guess 90% would be QR friendly. I did have to download a QR app though which might confuddle some people.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

>>mandatory QR codes are still on the table for NSW, <<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-one-new-locally-transmitted-case-recorded/12837098

As a matter of interest, how many people wouldn’t have a phone capable of doing a QR code thing? And would this be discriminatory?

(Yes, I don’t have such a device, but I’m not in NSW. Here you just get written down in the book if you haven’t got a phone)

I’d guess 90% would be QR friendly. I did have to download a QR app though which might confuddle some people.

Be aware that there are are hundreds of thousands of Australians who’ve never used a mobile phone, let alone a smartphone

buffy said:

>>mandatory QR codes are still on the table for NSW, <<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-one-new-locally-transmitted-case-recorded/12837098

As a matter of interest, how many people wouldn’t have a phone capable of doing a QR code thing? And would this be discriminatory?

(Yes, I don’t have such a device, but I’m not in NSW. Here you just get written down in the book if you haven’t got a phone)

Me. The camera lens is bruk on my phone.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

>>mandatory QR codes are still on the table for NSW, <<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-one-new-locally-transmitted-case-recorded/12837098

As a matter of interest, how many people wouldn’t have a phone capable of doing a QR code thing? And would this be discriminatory?

(Yes, I don’t have such a device, but I’m not in NSW. Here you just get written down in the book if you haven’t got a phone)

I’d guess 90% would be QR friendly. I did have to download a QR app though which might confuddle some people.

Be aware that there are are hundreds of thousands of Australians who’ve never used a mobile phone, let alone a smartphone

True. I was guessing about the percentage of phones not the population.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

>>mandatory QR codes are still on the table for NSW, <<

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-one-new-locally-transmitted-case-recorded/12837098

As a matter of interest, how many people wouldn’t have a phone capable of doing a QR code thing? And would this be discriminatory?

(Yes, I don’t have such a device, but I’m not in NSW. Here you just get written down in the book if you haven’t got a phone)

Me. The camera lens is bruk on my phone.

Me too. My phone is not connected to the internet.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/court-finds-curfew-was-legal-dismisses-case-against-andrews-government-20201102-p56aon.html

Ms Loielo’s claim failed on all three grounds – that Dr Giles acted at the behest of Premier Daniel Andrews when she extended the curfew, that it was unreasonable or disproportionate and that her human rights were unlawfully restricted by the policy.

Justice Ginnane said that even though the curfew was a “major restriction of the rights and liberties of the people of Victoria,” it was ultimately a proportionate response and did not violate the human rights of Victorians in the process. Justice Ginnane also found that Dr Giles was not acting at the behest of Mr Andrews, a claim that, if proven true, would have rendered her decision invalid.

What An Andrews Apologist

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also

Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien praised Ms Loielo for “taking a stand” and launching the litigation, saing the lawsuit ended the curfew earlier than was planned and it shed light on the decision to extend the curfew. “We know that if it wasn’t for this litigation, Victorians would have been under this curfew until at least the 26th of October,” Mr O’Brien said.

lolfkwit

SCIENCE said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/court-finds-curfew-was-legal-dismisses-case-against-andrews-government-20201102-p56aon.html

Ms Loielo’s claim failed on all three grounds – that Dr Giles acted at the behest of Premier Daniel Andrews when she extended the curfew, that it was unreasonable or disproportionate and that her human rights were unlawfully restricted by the policy.

Justice Ginnane said that even though the curfew was a “major restriction of the rights and liberties of the people of Victoria,” it was ultimately a proportionate response and did not violate the human rights of Victorians in the process. Justice Ginnane also found that Dr Giles was not acting at the behest of Mr Andrews, a claim that, if proven true, would have rendered her decision invalid.

What An Andrews Apologist

—

also

Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien praised Ms Loielo for “taking a stand” and launching the litigation, saing the lawsuit ended the curfew earlier than was planned and it shed light on the decision to extend the curfew. “We know that if it wasn’t for this litigation, Victorians would have been under this curfew until at least the 26th of October,” Mr O’Brien said.

lolfkwit

Smooth move MOB. With that kind of action you might even get your preferred premier numbers back up to 17%.

Dr Sara Marzouk

41 m ·

To all those who claimed that the night time curfew enforced by the Victorian Government as part of its COVID restrictions was a violation of your human rights, please learn from the costly mistake that one small business owner and Liberal Party member has made when she decided to challenge it in court.

The Victorian Supreme Court has thrown out her claim, with judge Tim Ginnan stating that while the measures restricted human rights, the decision was legal and proportionate as a public health response to protect public health.
The UN Human Rights Committee has previously explained that the right to life is the supreme right from which no derogation is permitted. And the protection of this right actually imposes a duty on states and countries to take appropriate measures to address conditions that arise and threaten life, including from diseases like COVID-19.

None of us here in Victoria wanted a curfew. But the limitations in movement made it easier to reduce viral transmission, and allowed law enforcement to better police those who were in blatant breach of the public health measures. The curfew hence reduced spread, which ultimately saved lives.

And it worked. That’s why France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece have all recently introduced their own versions of night time curfews in their cities and towns, to stop the spread of this virus.
Our human rights are essential. They embody key values in our society such as fairness, dignity, equality and respect. They are an important means of protection for us all, especially those amongst us who may face abuse, neglect and isolation.

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement was a temporary and necessary evil to protect a greater human right, the right to live? Especially when the majority of the time in which it was set was when most of us were asleep or home anyway. Especially when the only real limitations it enforced was to two of the four permitted reasons to leave home: shopping and exercising. Both of which were activities that could be largely done in the other 15 hours that fell outside of curfew times.

And to those arguing that this curfew was tantamount to living under a dictatorship, please swap positions with the many desperate people living under despotic regimes who would gladly love to live under the ‘unbearable’ conditions you’ve endured. You wouldn’t even last a week.
- Sara

ChrispenEvan said:

Dr Sara Marzouk

41 m ·

To all those who claimed that the night time curfew enforced by the Victorian Government as part of its COVID restrictions was a violation of your human rights, please learn from the costly mistake that one small business owner and Liberal Party member has made when she decided to challenge it in court.

The Victorian Supreme Court has thrown out her claim, with judge Tim Ginnan stating that while the measures restricted human rights, the decision was legal and proportionate as a public health response to protect public health.
The UN Human Rights Committee has previously explained that the right to life is the supreme right from which no derogation is permitted. And the protection of this right actually imposes a duty on states and countries to take appropriate measures to address conditions that arise and threaten life, including from diseases like COVID-19.

None of us here in Victoria wanted a curfew. But the limitations in movement made it easier to reduce viral transmission, and allowed law enforcement to better police those who were in blatant breach of the public health measures. The curfew hence reduced spread, which ultimately saved lives.

And it worked. That’s why France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece have all recently introduced their own versions of night time curfews in their cities and towns, to stop the spread of this virus.
Our human rights are essential. They embody key values in our society such as fairness, dignity, equality and respect. They are an important means of protection for us all, especially those amongst us who may face abuse, neglect and isolation.

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement was a temporary and necessary evil to protect a greater human right, the right to live? Especially when the majority of the time in which it was set was when most of us were asleep or home anyway. Especially when the only real limitations it enforced was to two of the four permitted reasons to leave home: shopping and exercising. Both of which were activities that could be largely done in the other 15 hours that fell outside of curfew times.

And to those arguing that this curfew was tantamount to living under a dictatorship, please swap positions with the many desperate people living under despotic regimes who would gladly love to live under the ‘unbearable’ conditions you’ve endured. You wouldn’t even last a week.
- Sara

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement……

Hold on, don’t use the word “sacrosanct” if you’re not going to mean it. It ruins the general thrust of your arguement.

Boris Johnson’s lockdown backdown comes after day of political chaos at UK’s Downing Street

On the weekend, the British people were told for the first time ever their health system may not be able to care for them within weeks.

Yes, that’s the same nation that was bombed to smithereens by the Germans during The Blitz in Word War II.

After a chaotic day of political decision making, and well into their Saturday evening (local time), Prime Minister Boris Johnson told them very soon they could turn up to a hospital, in say Liverpool or London, and be turned away.

The no vacancy sign would be up around the country and people would die after being turned away from emergency departments.

Is there anything grimmer than that?

By the time the Prime Minister delivered that news, he had already presided over a day of complete political chaos.

The information had been leaked from a meeting the day before, and, according to most reports, Johnson was hunting for the perpetrator.

He had wanted to wait until Monday to deliver the bad news.

Instead a flustered leader, who was already being forced to back down on his promise of no further national lockdowns, was having to act faster.

Johnson hastily called his cabinet together for last minute negotiations and word was spread from Downing Street minders that there would be a 4:00pm press conference.

But 4:00pm came and went.

And then 5:00pm.

Still no word from the Prime Minister.

Let’s pause for a moment and look across the Channel to France. Just days before French President Emmanuel Macron had told his own people they’d be forced to stay home again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/boris-johnson-uk-lockdown-backdown-political-chaos-downing-st/12837276?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf239492868&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf239492868=1

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Dr Sara Marzouk

41 m ·

To all those who claimed that the night time curfew enforced by the Victorian Government as part of its COVID restrictions was a violation of your human rights, please learn from the costly mistake that one small business owner and Liberal Party member has made when she decided to challenge it in court.

The Victorian Supreme Court has thrown out her claim, with judge Tim Ginnan stating that while the measures restricted human rights, the decision was legal and proportionate as a public health response to protect public health.
The UN Human Rights Committee has previously explained that the right to life is the supreme right from which no derogation is permitted. And the protection of this right actually imposes a duty on states and countries to take appropriate measures to address conditions that arise and threaten life, including from diseases like COVID-19.

None of us here in Victoria wanted a curfew. But the limitations in movement made it easier to reduce viral transmission, and allowed law enforcement to better police those who were in blatant breach of the public health measures. The curfew hence reduced spread, which ultimately saved lives.

And it worked. That’s why France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece have all recently introduced their own versions of night time curfews in their cities and towns, to stop the spread of this virus.
Our human rights are essential. They embody key values in our society such as fairness, dignity, equality and respect. They are an important means of protection for us all, especially those amongst us who may face abuse, neglect and isolation.

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement was a temporary and necessary evil to protect a greater human right, the right to live? Especially when the majority of the time in which it was set was when most of us were asleep or home anyway. Especially when the only real limitations it enforced was to two of the four permitted reasons to leave home: shopping and exercising. Both of which were activities that could be largely done in the other 15 hours that fell outside of curfew times.

And to those arguing that this curfew was tantamount to living under a dictatorship, please swap positions with the many desperate people living under despotic regimes who would gladly love to live under the ‘unbearable’ conditions you’ve endured. You wouldn’t even last a week.
- Sara

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement……

Hold on, don’t use the word “sacrosanct” if you’re not going to mean it. It ruins the general thrust of your arguement.

Right. All rights are relative.

dv said:

Boris Johnson’s lockdown backdown comes after day of political chaos at UK’s Downing Street

On the weekend, the British people were told for the first time ever their health system may not be able to care for them within weeks.

Yes, that’s the same nation that was bombed to smithereens by the Germans during The Blitz in Word War II.

After a chaotic day of political decision making, and well into their Saturday evening (local time), Prime Minister Boris Johnson told them very soon they could turn up to a hospital, in say Liverpool or London, and be turned away.

The no vacancy sign would be up around the country and people would die after being turned away from emergency departments.

Is there anything grimmer than that?

By the time the Prime Minister delivered that news, he had already presided over a day of complete political chaos.

The information had been leaked from a meeting the day before, and, according to most reports, Johnson was hunting for the perpetrator.

He had wanted to wait until Monday to deliver the bad news.

Instead a flustered leader, who was already being forced to back down on his promise of no further national lockdowns, was having to act faster.

Johnson hastily called his cabinet together for last minute negotiations and word was spread from Downing Street minders that there would be a 4:00pm press conference.

But 4:00pm came and went.

And then 5:00pm.

Still no word from the Prime Minister.

Let’s pause for a moment and look across the Channel to France. Just days before French President Emmanuel Macron had told his own people they’d be forced to stay home again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/boris-johnson-uk-lockdown-backdown-political-chaos-downing-st/12837276?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf239492868&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf239492868=1

So right in the middle of Christmas or during the early new year the NHS is going to collapse…

nice timing.

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Dr Sara Marzouk

41 m ·

To all those who claimed that the night time curfew enforced by the Victorian Government as part of its COVID restrictions was a violation of your human rights, please learn from the costly mistake that one small business owner and Liberal Party member has made when she decided to challenge it in court.

The Victorian Supreme Court has thrown out her claim, with judge Tim Ginnan stating that while the measures restricted human rights, the decision was legal and proportionate as a public health response to protect public health.
The UN Human Rights Committee has previously explained that the right to life is the supreme right from which no derogation is permitted. And the protection of this right actually imposes a duty on states and countries to take appropriate measures to address conditions that arise and threaten life, including from diseases like COVID-19.

None of us here in Victoria wanted a curfew. But the limitations in movement made it easier to reduce viral transmission, and allowed law enforcement to better police those who were in blatant breach of the public health measures. The curfew hence reduced spread, which ultimately saved lives.

And it worked. That’s why France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece have all recently introduced their own versions of night time curfews in their cities and towns, to stop the spread of this virus.
Our human rights are essential. They embody key values in our society such as fairness, dignity, equality and respect. They are an important means of protection for us all, especially those amongst us who may face abuse, neglect and isolation.

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement was a temporary and necessary evil to protect a greater human right, the right to live? Especially when the majority of the time in which it was set was when most of us were asleep or home anyway. Especially when the only real limitations it enforced was to two of the four permitted reasons to leave home: shopping and exercising. Both of which were activities that could be largely done in the other 15 hours that fell outside of curfew times.

And to those arguing that this curfew was tantamount to living under a dictatorship, please swap positions with the many desperate people living under despotic regimes who would gladly love to live under the ‘unbearable’ conditions you’ve endured. You wouldn’t even last a week.
- Sara

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement……

Hold on, don’t use the word “sacrosanct” if you’re not going to mean it. It ruins the general thrust of your arguement.

True.

I think the whole argument over rights needs to be re-framed. It always get bogged down into arguments of where one person’s rights end and somebody else’s begin, and how to manage that overlap. So much so I begin to wonder if the whole argument is futile and should be re-framed and argued a different way.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Dr Sara Marzouk

41 m ·

To all those who claimed that the night time curfew enforced by the Victorian Government as part of its COVID restrictions was a violation of your human rights, please learn from the costly mistake that one small business owner and Liberal Party member has made when she decided to challenge it in court.

The Victorian Supreme Court has thrown out her claim, with judge Tim Ginnan stating that while the measures restricted human rights, the decision was legal and proportionate as a public health response to protect public health.
The UN Human Rights Committee has previously explained that the right to life is the supreme right from which no derogation is permitted. And the protection of this right actually imposes a duty on states and countries to take appropriate measures to address conditions that arise and threaten life, including from diseases like COVID-19.

None of us here in Victoria wanted a curfew. But the limitations in movement made it easier to reduce viral transmission, and allowed law enforcement to better police those who were in blatant breach of the public health measures. The curfew hence reduced spread, which ultimately saved lives.

And it worked. That’s why France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Greece have all recently introduced their own versions of night time curfews in their cities and towns, to stop the spread of this virus.
Our human rights are essential. They embody key values in our society such as fairness, dignity, equality and respect. They are an important means of protection for us all, especially those amongst us who may face abuse, neglect and isolation.

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement was a temporary and necessary evil to protect a greater human right, the right to live? Especially when the majority of the time in which it was set was when most of us were asleep or home anyway. Especially when the only real limitations it enforced was to two of the four permitted reasons to leave home: shopping and exercising. Both of which were activities that could be largely done in the other 15 hours that fell outside of curfew times.

And to those arguing that this curfew was tantamount to living under a dictatorship, please swap positions with the many desperate people living under despotic regimes who would gladly love to live under the ‘unbearable’ conditions you’ve endured. You wouldn’t even last a week.
- Sara

Human rights are sacrosanct. But surely commonsense and decency should guide us to accept that an inconvenient nightly curfew that limited our right of movement……

Hold on, don’t use the word “sacrosanct” if you’re not going to mean it. It ruins the general thrust of your arguement.

True.

I think the whole argument over rights needs to be re-framed. It always get bogged down into arguments of where one person’s rights end and somebody else’s begin, and how to manage that overlap. So much so I begin to wonder if the whole argument is futile and should be re-framed and argued a different way.

Usually its some argument that my right to repress or harm others is the same as those same people wanting equality or protection

Numbers aren’t exactly super high just now but with the overseas disasters should they really have a good think about throttling down at least until they can be confident that capacity is sufficient to deal with it, and / or safely expand capacity ¿

Average isn’t at July levels so we’re not saying bomb the bridge now but at least have the strategic plan in advance maybe. Or are we still hoping that reactive responses to unpleasant surprises are the most effective way to play it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-cases-in-quarantine-hotels-double/12827284

SCIENCE said:

Numbers aren’t exactly super high just now but with the overseas disasters should they really have a good think about throttling down at least until they can be confident that capacity is sufficient to deal with it, and / or safely expand capacity ¿

Average isn’t at July levels so we’re not saying bomb the bridge now but at least have the strategic plan in advance maybe. Or are we still hoping that reactive responses to unpleasant surprises are the most effective way to play it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-cases-in-quarantine-hotels-double/12827284

Watch this latest rise. Flu-like illness in Australia.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Numbers aren’t exactly super high just now but with the overseas disasters should they really have a good think about throttling down at least until they can be confident that capacity is sufficient to deal with it, and / or safely expand capacity ¿

Average isn’t at July levels so we’re not saying bomb the bridge now but at least have the strategic plan in advance maybe. Or are we still hoping that reactive responses to unpleasant surprises are the most effective way to play it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-02/nsw-coronavirus-cases-in-quarantine-hotels-double/12827284

Watch this latest rise. Flu-like illness in Australia.

sure we will but what message is it sending you

More Good News

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/nigel-farage-to-turn-brexit-party-into-anti-lockdown-political-movement-20201102-p56anu.html

SCIENCE said:

More Good News

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/nigel-farage-to-turn-brexit-party-into-anti-lockdown-political-movement-20201102-p56anu.html

He really is their Pauline Hanson type politician.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

More Good News

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/nigel-farage-to-turn-brexit-party-into-anti-lockdown-political-movement-20201102-p56anu.html

He really is their Pauline Hanson type politician.

Here’s hoping the next roll of the dice in the queen’s own land will reflect what happened recently.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

More Good News

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/nigel-farage-to-turn-brexit-party-into-anti-lockdown-political-movement-20201102-p56anu.html

He really is their Pauline Hanson type politician.

Here’s hoping the next roll of the dice in the queen’s own land will reflect what happened recently.

They’ve got 4 more years of collapse and ruin before the next election is due. They have 5 year terms.

(CNN)Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne, tested positive for coronavirus earlier this year, according to the BBC, citing palace sources.

When exactly William was infected is unclear. The Sun newspaper, which broke the story, said that he took a seven-day break from calls and video messages from April 9 to April 16.

The paper added that William, also styled the Duke of Cambridge, recently told an “observer” at a function that he did not go public with his diagnosis because “there were important things going on and I didn’t want to worry anyone.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/01/uk/prince-william-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

dv said:

(CNN)Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne, tested positive for coronavirus earlier this year, according to the BBC, citing palace sources.

When exactly William was infected is unclear. The Sun newspaper, which broke the story, said that he took a seven-day break from calls and video messages from April 9 to April 16.

The paper added that William, also styled the Duke of Cambridge, recently told an “observer” at a function that he did not go public with his diagnosis because “there were important things going on and I didn’t want to worry anyone.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/01/uk/prince-william-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

I doubt I would have been worried; or even mildly concerned, really.

Speaking Of Alex Here Is Some Crazy Scary Shit You All Never Wanted To Hear About

https://twitter.com/pjputh/status/1322808163704446981

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne, tested positive for coronavirus earlier this year, according to the BBC, citing palace sources.

When exactly William was infected is unclear. The Sun newspaper, which broke the story, said that he took a seven-day break from calls and video messages from April 9 to April 16.

The paper added that William, also styled the Duke of Cambridge, recently told an “observer” at a function that he did not go public with his diagnosis because “there were important things going on and I didn’t want to worry anyone.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/01/uk/prince-william-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

I doubt I would have been worried; or even mildly concerned, really.

That’s it, stiff upper lip

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne, tested positive for coronavirus earlier this year, according to the BBC, citing palace sources.

When exactly William was infected is unclear. The Sun newspaper, which broke the story, said that he took a seven-day break from calls and video messages from April 9 to April 16.

The paper added that William, also styled the Duke of Cambridge, recently told an “observer” at a function that he did not go public with his diagnosis because “there were important things going on and I didn’t want to worry anyone.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/01/uk/prince-william-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

I doubt I would have been worried; or even mildly concerned, really.

That’s it, stiff upper lip

…over that weak wobbly chin.

dv said:

No idea, sorry.

wrong thread anyway, ah me

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne, tested positive for coronavirus earlier this year, according to the BBC, citing palace sources.

When exactly William was infected is unclear. The Sun newspaper, which broke the story, said that he took a seven-day break from calls and video messages from April 9 to April 16.

The paper added that William, also styled the Duke of Cambridge, recently told an “observer” at a function that he did not go public with his diagnosis because “there were important things going on and I didn’t want to worry anyone.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/01/uk/prince-william-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

I doubt I would have been worried; or even mildly concerned, really.

I’m not sure why some guy in Britain contracting COVID19 is even a story. There are plenty of them.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

(CNN)Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne, tested positive for coronavirus earlier this year, according to the BBC, citing palace sources.

When exactly William was infected is unclear. The Sun newspaper, which broke the story, said that he took a seven-day break from calls and video messages from April 9 to April 16.

The paper added that William, also styled the Duke of Cambridge, recently told an “observer” at a function that he did not go public with his diagnosis because “there were important things going on and I didn’t want to worry anyone.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/01/uk/prince-william-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

I doubt I would have been worried; or even mildly concerned, really.

I’m not sure why some guy in Britain contracting COVID19 is even a story. There are plenty of them.

A man who would be king.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

I doubt I would have been worried; or even mildly concerned, really.

I’m not sure why some guy in Britain contracting COVID19 is even a story. There are plenty of them.

A man who would be king.

King of the unmentionables?
Just another statistic come late to the party.

The valleys of the shadow of death
Italian towns hit hardest by covid-19 are doing better now
Municipal data reveal signs of partial population-level immunity

OCT 31ST 2020

One of the most pressing questions about covid-19 is how achievable “herd immunity” may be. Holding other factors constant, the more people have protective antibodies, the slower the virus spreads. If enough people become and remain immune, further outbreaks are prevented.

Some experts have advised letting the young and healthy get covid-19, in order to approach such herd immunity. European data suggest this goal remains distant: within countries, the regions with the most cases in the spring also tend to have the biggest outbreaks now. Yet broad averages can obscure local variation. And new Italian data show that the worst-hit places do now enjoy some degree of immunity.

Like a tornado, covid-19 has walloped some towns while sparing others. In Lombardy, the heart of Italy’s first wave, 83% more people died of all causes from March to June than the historical average, an excess representing 0.3% of the population. Yet some pockets of the region were hit disproportionately. The rate was 0.6% of the population in Bergamo province, and more than 1% in 30 of Bergamo’s 243 municipalities. If anywhere has enough antibodies to restrain covid-19, it would be these towns.

Lombardy’s government does not share case counts for every area. But Isaia Invernizzi, a journalist, has gained access to its internal data, which show that the hardest-hit towns are doing unusually well today. Since September 1st, municipalities with first-wave excess deaths of at least 0.5% of the population have tallied 216 cases per 100,000 people—one-third as many as in areas with excess deaths around 0.1%.

Social distancing has also slowed the virus. According to Google, Lombards moved around 24% less in July than in January, the steepest drop in Italy. But this decline has been similar in all of Lombardy. That leaves immunity as the best explanation for differences in case counts within the region.

These data do not prove the case for seeking herd immunity. Without a vaccine, the cost of gaining even mild resistance is grim. No national study has found a share of people with antibodies even one-third as high as the 24% seen in Bergamo in July. And Europe’s highest national excess death rate, in Spain, is just a fifth of Bergamo’s.

Yet for beleaguered Bergamasques, the data are good news. Serosurveys show that antibodies there are not only common, but especially so among the old and health-care workers, who need them most.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/10/31/italian-towns-hit-hardest-by-covid-19-are-doing-better-now?

Stoopid ‘Economist’ images leaving out legends.

Victoria has recorded another day of no coronavirus cases and no deaths, the state’s health department says.

“This is the quaddie we want for the last 4 days: 0,0,0,0,” the state’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, tweeted in response to the numbers.

Melbourne’s 14-day rolling average of daily cases remains at 1.9.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-03/victoria-records-no-coronavirus-cases-and-no-deaths/12840840

Fk off Brett why don’t you listen to the smart people for once, experts like Gladys and stuff, they promised us this kind of thing is impossible, we all know Victoria is probably just lying like CHINA.

SCIENCE said:

Victoria has recorded another day of no coronavirus cases and no deaths, the state’s health department says.

“This is the quaddie we want for the last 4 days: 0,0,0,0,” the state’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, tweeted in response to the numbers.

Melbourne’s 14-day rolling average of daily cases remains at 1.9.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-03/victoria-records-no-coronavirus-cases-and-no-deaths/12840840

Fk off Brett why don’t you listen to the smart people for once, experts like Gladys and stuff, they promised us this kind of thing is impossible, we all know Victoria is probably just lying like CHINA.

Belt & Road.

Because of course they are

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/reform-uk-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-voice

The Brexit party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK in a bid to rebrand the party, which has no elected representatives, as a voice in the anti-lockdown movement.

The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, and chairman, Richard Tice, first announced the plan in a joint article in the Telegraph where they wrote it was “time to redirect our energies”. The name change is subject to approval of the commission.

dv said:

Because of course they are

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/reform-uk-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-voice

The Brexit party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK in a bid to rebrand the party, which has no elected representatives, as a voice in the anti-lockdown movement.

The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, and chairman, Richard Tice, first announced the plan in a joint article in the Telegraph where they wrote it was “time to redirect our energies”. The name change is subject to approval of the commission.

No one needs Farage’s Reformation.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Because of course they are

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/reform-uk-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-voice

The Brexit party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK in a bid to rebrand the party, which has no elected representatives, as a voice in the anti-lockdown movement.

The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, and chairman, Richard Tice, first announced the plan in a joint article in the Telegraph where they wrote it was “time to redirect our energies”. The name change is subject to approval of the commission.

No one needs Farage’s Reformation.

Reform UK meaning: return it to its true Dickensian form with a revitalised class system, cheap servants, workhouses, hangings, transportation of undesirables etc.

dv said:

Because of course they are

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/reform-uk-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-voice

The Brexit party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK in a bid to rebrand the party, which has no elected representatives, as a voice in the anti-lockdown movement.

The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, and chairman, Richard Tice, first announced the plan in a joint article in the Telegraph where they wrote it was “time to redirect our energies”. The name change is subject to approval of the commission.

The Electoral Commission probably don’t have the power to intervene in the choice of name but really the use of the word “Reform” is somehow at odds with the core philosophy of the party which is reactionary at best and probably more like regressivist. They want a return to the past.

Reserve Bank cuts interest rates to record low of 0.1 per cent during COVID-19 recession.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-03/rba-cuts-interest-rates-record-low-coronavirus-pandemic/12838760

dv said:

Because of course they are

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/reform-uk-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-voice

The Brexit party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK in a bid to rebrand the party, which has no elected representatives, as a voice in the anti-lockdown movement.

The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, and chairman, Richard Tice, first announced the plan in a joint article in the Telegraph where they wrote it was “time to redirect our energies”. The name change is subject to approval of the commission.

You can imagine aliens visiting Earth on a school field trip and the teacher saying “Yes the humans all died out from a virus, all they had to do was stay home and wear a mask”

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Because of course they are

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/reform-uk-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-voice

The Brexit party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK in a bid to rebrand the party, which has no elected representatives, as a voice in the anti-lockdown movement.

The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, and chairman, Richard Tice, first announced the plan in a joint article in the Telegraph where they wrote it was “time to redirect our energies”. The name change is subject to approval of the commission.

No one needs Farage’s Reformation.

Reform UK meaning: return it to its true Dickensian form with a revitalised class system, cheap servants, workhouses, hangings, transportation of undesirables etc.

We are NOT taking Nikki Faraj

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Because of course they are

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/reform-uk-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-voice

The Brexit party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK in a bid to rebrand the party, which has no elected representatives, as a voice in the anti-lockdown movement.

The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, and chairman, Richard Tice, first announced the plan in a joint article in the Telegraph where they wrote it was “time to redirect our energies”. The name change is subject to approval of the commission.

No one needs Farage’s Reformation.

Reform UK meaning: return it to its true Dickensian form with a revitalised class system, cheap servants, workhouses, hangings, transportation of undesirables etc.

Ah the glory days, Make the UK Great Again, I see crowds, all wearing MUKGA hats.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

No one needs Farage’s Reformation.

Reform UK meaning: return it to its true Dickensian form with a revitalised class system, cheap servants, workhouses, hangings, transportation of undesirables etc.

Ah the glory days, Make the UK Great Again, I see crowds, all wearing MUKGA hats.

Though I suspect most of these people are MEGA types

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Reform UK meaning: return it to its true Dickensian form with a revitalised class system, cheap servants, workhouses, hangings, transportation of undesirables etc.

Ah the glory days, Make the UK Great Again, I see crowds, all wearing MUKGA hats.

Though I suspect most of these people are SMEGA types

Slight correction

(CNN)As countries around the world struggle to scale up their coronavirus testing, Slovakia managed to test more than 3.6 million people — two thirds of its population — in just two days.

The European country decided to embark on the gargantuan quest to test everyone over the age of 10 after Covid-19 cases started spiking last month. Dubbed operation “Joint responsibility,” the program was the first attempt at large-scale blanket testing in Europe.

Just over 1% of those taking part tested positive, about 38,359 people in total, according to the official website of the program.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/02/europe/slovakia-mass-coronavirus-test-intl/index.html

(CNN)As countries around the world struggle to scale up their coronavirus testing, Slovakia managed to test more than 3.6 million people — two thirds of its population — in just two days.

The European country decided to embark on the gargantuan quest to test everyone over the age of 10 after Covid-19 cases started spiking last month. Dubbed operation “Joint responsibility,” the program was the first attempt at large-scale blanket testing in Europe.

Just over 1% of those taking part tested positive, about 38,359 people in total, according to the official website of the program.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/02/europe/slovakia-mass-coronavirus-test-intl/index.html

ABC News:

NSW border opens to Victoria on November 23, NSW Premier says
The NSW Government will reopen its border with Victoria at 12.01am on November 23. Premier Gladys Berejiklian describes the move as “a calculated risk”.

Also known as ‘Gladys just doesn’t give a shit any more’.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

NSW border opens to Victoria on November 23, NSW Premier says
The NSW Government will reopen its border with Victoria at 12.01am on November 23. Premier Gladys Berejiklian describes the move as “a calculated risk”.

Also known as ‘Gladys just doesn’t give a shit any more’.

well NSW aren’t exactly killing it with regard to local transmission, cases every day while VIC is on a pretty smooth r00000ll

SA Police Commissioner Grant Stevens questions the effectiveness of the COVIDSafe app, saying it has been of no “material benefit” to local health authorities.

Anyone want some more Sebastian?

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/10/31/a-history-of-the-swedish-covid-response/?_gl=1*a1xgy4*_ga*YW1wLXltOFRmMGZITkQtakZ3bDJlczhIckE.

(Well, at least it’s not the US election)

Melbourne has bowled a maiden over.

sibeen said:

Melbourne has bowled a maiden over.

Nice one

wtf

SCIENCE said:

wtf

Just an entrée to the main course.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

wtf

Just an entrée to the main course.

sure but how is it “Australia” really

According to research the USA was most prepared for viral outbreak which doesn’t seem to have translated well into real life.

Here it is

According to the Global Health Security Index, an American-British assessment which ranks the health security capabilities in 195 countries, the U.S. in 2020 was the “most prepared” nation. Despite this assessment, the United States failed to ready critical stockpiles its planning exercises predicted would be necessary and failed to follow its own planning documents when executing the response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Cymek said:

According to research the USA was most prepared for viral outbreak which doesn’t seem to have translated well into real life.

Here it is

According to the Global Health Security Index, an American-British assessment which ranks the health security capabilities in 195 countries, the U.S. in 2020 was the “most prepared” nation. Despite this assessment, the United States failed to ready critical stockpiles its planning exercises predicted would be necessary and failed to follow its own planning documents when executing the response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The references have interesting titles

Brueck, Hilary. “Trump held up a map showing the US is the best prepared country in the world for a pandemic, but only for the rich, influential, and fully insured”. Business Insider. Retrieved 29 February 2020.

5.^ Dalglish, Sarah (March 26, 2020). “COVID-19 gives the lie to global health expertise”. The Lancet. 395 (10231): 1189. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30739-X. PMC 7194526. PMID 32222159. Retrieved 3 April 2020.

6.^ Jump up to: a b “The U.S. and COVID-19: Leading the World by GHS Index Score, not by Response”. GHSI. 2020-04-27. “Given that overall finding, it is important to dispel misconceptions regarding the score of 83.5 (out of a possible 100) received by the United States. Although the United States received the top score of 195 countries assessed and was ranked number one, its score and rank do not indicate that the country is adequately prepared to respond to potentially catastrophic infectious disease outbreaks. Significant preparedness gaps remain, and some of those are playing out in the current crisis. The United States’ response to the COVID-19 outbreak to date shows that capacity alone is insufficient if that capacity isn’t fully leveraged. Strong health systems must be in place to serve all populations, and effective political leadership that instills confidence in the government’s response is crucial.”

Cymek said:

According to research the USA was most prepared for viral outbreak which doesn’t seem to have translated well into real life.

Here it is

According to the Global Health Security Index, an American-British assessment which ranks the health security capabilities in 195 countries, the U.S. in 2020 was the “most prepared” nation. Despite this assessment, the United States failed to ready critical stockpiles its planning exercises predicted would be necessary and failed to follow its own planning documents when executing the response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

They might want to rethink their security index in relation to all countries and look at where they went wrong.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

According to research the USA was most prepared for viral outbreak which doesn’t seem to have translated well into real life.

Here it is

According to the Global Health Security Index, an American-British assessment which ranks the health security capabilities in 195 countries, the U.S. in 2020 was the “most prepared” nation. Despite this assessment, the United States failed to ready critical stockpiles its planning exercises predicted would be necessary and failed to follow its own planning documents when executing the response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

They might want to rethink their security index in relation to all countries and look at where they went wrong.

It seemed to indicate it was great on paper but not in reality and apparently compiled from open source data which could be what we want you to see not how it actually is

A single cough droplet can travel up to 6.6 metres: Study

Not enough ads, they need more ads.

Don’t Worry, Success Is 15000 Cases Per Day

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/germany-coronavirus-lockdown-avoided-same-fate-as-europe/12843140

It’s Acceptable To Fail To Protect People, As Long As You Don’t Protect Them As Badly As Your Neighbours

SCIENCE said:

Don’t Worry, Success Is 15000 Cases Per Day

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/germany-coronavirus-lockdown-avoided-same-fate-as-europe/12843140

It’s Acceptable To Fail To Protect People, As Long As You Don’t Protect Them As Badly As Your Neighbours

Seems like that I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of Australia and New Zealand response and infection/death numbers.
Probably think we are lying

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Don’t Worry, Success Is 15000 Cases Per Day

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/germany-coronavirus-lockdown-avoided-same-fate-as-europe/12843140

It’s Acceptable To Fail To Protect People, As Long As You Don’t Protect Them As Badly As Your Neighbours

Seems like that I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of Australia and New Zealand response and infection/death numbers.
Probably think we are lying

Our Dear Leader Is Scotty And They Think We’re Special

NZ is small and far and so that’s their excuse

Is It Priorities, Or Is It Petty

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/berejiklian-hits-out-at-qld-premier-for-state-of-origin-text/12852610

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Don’t Worry, Success Is 15000 Cases Per Day

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/germany-coronavirus-lockdown-avoided-same-fate-as-europe/12843140

It’s Acceptable To Fail To Protect People, As Long As You Don’t Protect Them As Badly As Your Neighbours

Seems like that I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of Australia and New Zealand response and infection/death numbers.
Probably think we are lying

well New Zealand definitely are.

What do chicken eggs. dog kidney cells, army worm ovary cells and rabbit spleen cells have in common?

Answer: they are the four ways in which vaccines are produced.

• “egg-based” vaccines use chicken eggs – now largely superseded technology.
• “cell-based” vaccines use dog kidney cells – the dominant technology these days.
• “recombinant” vaccines use army worm ovary cells – an upcoming technology claiming higher speed and purity. (aka baculovirus)
• “monoclonal antibody” vaccines use rabbit spleen cells – very expensive and slow.

Some of the latest research is getting monoclonal antibodies from tobacco plants – but that’s expensive, too.

Some of the latest research is getting monoclonal antibodies from tobacco plants – but that’s expensive, too.

Only done in big cities not little towns as well

SCIENCE said:

Don’t Worry, Success Is 15000 Cases Per Day

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/germany-coronavirus-lockdown-avoided-same-fate-as-europe/12843140

It’s Acceptable To Fail To Protect People, As Long As You Don’t Protect Them As Badly As Your Neighbours

I must admit that I read that this morning with a “WTF, they’ve just had over 20k cases overnight.”

108000 new cases in the US yesterday, a fresh record.

dv said:

108000 new cases in the US yesterday, a fresh record.

Yuk. I haven’t looked at the statistics for a while. Too depressing.

Oh shit.

Fresh record for daily deaths in Russia, but still only 400 per day.
900 deaths per day in France, still below previous record.
500 deaths per day in the UK and increasing, still below previous record.
What happened in Argentina? Shown below. Looks like the chief statistician took a month holiday.

Here’s people in the UK getting ready for the second lockdown:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-54816207

It’s almost like they don’t get it. Still, I guess it is better than stocking up on toilet paper.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/covid19-sofrana-surville-cargo-ship-world-first-strain-mutation/12853736

Cargo ship off Sunshine Coast. Crew member tested positive to COVID. At first, it was reported to be a new strain not before seen in Australia. Now it seems it’s a new strain not seen before in the world.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/covid19-sofrana-surville-cargo-ship-world-first-strain-mutation/12853736

Cargo ship off Sunshine Coast. Crew member tested positive to COVID. At first, it was reported to be a new strain not before seen in Australia. Now it seems it’s a new strain not seen before in the world.

Leave something adrift at sea for a while and it is bound to mutate.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/covid19-sofrana-surville-cargo-ship-world-first-strain-mutation/12853736

Cargo ship off Sunshine Coast. Crew member tested positive to COVID. At first, it was reported to be a new strain not before seen in Australia. Now it seems it’s a new strain not seen before in the world.

Oh well, throw him overboard.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/covid19-sofrana-surville-cargo-ship-world-first-strain-mutation/12853736

Cargo ship off Sunshine Coast. Crew member tested positive to COVID. At first, it was reported to be a new strain not before seen in Australia. Now it seems it’s a new strain not seen before in the world.

Ah shit.

7th day of 00 for Vic.

Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/covid19-sofrana-surville-cargo-ship-world-first-strain-mutation/12853736

Cargo ship off Sunshine Coast. Crew member tested positive to COVID. At first, it was reported to be a new strain not before seen in Australia. Now it seems it’s a new strain not seen before in the world.

Ah shit.

One torpedo. Problem goes away.

ABC News:

‘A fake document which purports to be from the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services suggests businesses could be breaching the law by refusing service to maskless patrons has spread online. Experts say that’s unlikely.’

If one of those nutters produced that ‘document’ at my business, my response would be, ‘hey, you could be right. You’d better go and get the police, and bring therm back here, and have them charge me, and then get on to your lawyer, because we’ll have to thrash this out in court, eventually. Now, you scoot along and do that.’

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/covid19-sofrana-surville-cargo-ship-world-first-strain-mutation/12853736

Cargo ship off Sunshine Coast. Crew member tested positive to COVID. At first, it was reported to be a new strain not before seen in Australia. Now it seems it’s a new strain not seen before in the world.

Ah shit.

One torpedo. Problem goes away.

Who knows how the virus will go inside fishes?

roughbarked said:

kryten said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Clive Palmer loses High Court challenge to WA border closures

By Elizabeth Byrne
Billionaire Clive Palmer loses his High Court challenge against Western Australia’s coronavirus border closures.’

Speaking of torpedoing things (as i was before), can Clive Palmer now be towed out to sea and sunk?

Hopefully this will cause him to spring a leak and go down a drain somewhere.

If he does that imagine the size of the fat berg

The thought did occur to me that he would have to be disposed of in a sealed container.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

kryten said:

If he does that imagine the size of the fat berg

The thought did occur to me that he would have to be disposed of in a sealed container.

Maybe Elon could put him in one of his spaceplanes.

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Government lawyers are urging the High Court to abandon a legal challenge to Victoria’s coronavirus lockdown, saying with restrictions easing there’s no longer any point. But a businessman pursuing the case says it should go ahead to prevent future lockdowns.

Is this bloke a complete nutter? He could ruin life for all Australians.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/high-court-challenge-julian-gerner-victoria-coronavirus-lockdown/12851422

He’s one of the people who brought COVID back from Aspen.

I don’t understand. Could you please elaborate?

Early in the pandemic, in Februay/March i think, a group of Australians holidaying in Aspen Colarado came down with COVID and brought it back home with them. IIRC they didn’t exactly quarantine properly and generally acted like privileged arseholes.

Didn’t most of them attend a wedding soon after arrivng home?

Maybe. Google isn’t much help.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html

two word search, aspen covid. 1st result.

Strange. Including that plus the guy’s name skewed the results.

could be because he was doing this challenge so that was a more popular search criteria. search engines can be a pain.

You missed this one on that last list.
The question I was asking, was it this wedding who were infected by the same crew from Aspen?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-case-numbers-linked-to-nsw-south-coast-wedding-rises/12074280

roughbarked said:

You missed this one on that last list.
The question I was asking, was it this wedding who were infected by the same crew from Aspen?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-case-numbers-linked-to-nsw-south-coast-wedding-rises/12074280

thanks

sorry we did indeed

COVID-19 hospitalisations up for 11th consecutive day as 17 US states report record increase in daily coronavirus cases. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/seventeen-us-states-report-record-increase-in-covid-19-cases/12855582

And oh, NSW, still letting the country down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/four-new-cases-coronavirus-nsw-health-confirms/12855272

A school and a childcare centre in the NSW Southern Highlands have been closed after four locally acquired coronavirus infections were confirmed.

NSW Health said one of today’s new cases went to Moss Vale Public School, while another went to Southern Highlands Early Childhood Centre.

The Wingecarribee Civic Centre in the Southern Highlands is closed today after confirmation that a staff member had tested positive to COVID-19.

Fragments of the virus were detected in the state’s sewage surveillance program in samples taken on November 4.

The area affected includes parts of Leppington, Catherine, Gledswood Hills, Varroville and Denham Court.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she was weary of the apparent stand-off between her and the Queensland Premier.

“I’m over the personal stuff, I just want it fixed, because I don’t know what I would do. … we’ve all been through enough in 2020,” she said.

How about this then, kill off the virus in your state, and then everyone will be clean and there won’t be any reason for them to shut you out after that. It’s an amazing idea ¡

SCIENCE said:

And oh, NSW, still letting the country down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/four-new-cases-coronavirus-nsw-health-confirms/12855272

A school and a childcare centre in the NSW Southern Highlands have been closed after four locally acquired coronavirus infections were confirmed.

NSW Health said one of today’s new cases went to Moss Vale Public School, while another went to Southern Highlands Early Childhood Centre.

The Wingecarribee Civic Centre in the Southern Highlands is closed today after confirmation that a staff member had tested positive to COVID-19.

Fragments of the virus were detected in the state’s sewage surveillance program in samples taken on November 4.

The area affected includes parts of Leppington, Catherine, Gledswood Hills, Varroville and Denham Court.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she was weary of the apparent stand-off between her and the Queensland Premier.

“I’m over the personal stuff, I just want it fixed, because I don’t know what I would do. … we’ve all been through enough in 2020,” she said.

How about this then, kill off the virus in your state, and then everyone will be clean and there won’t be any reason for them to shut you out after that. It’s an amazing idea ¡

maybe dan can go give them a hand to get the plague under control.

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

And oh, NSW, still letting the country down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/four-new-cases-coronavirus-nsw-health-confirms/12855272

A school and a childcare centre in the NSW Southern Highlands have been closed after four locally acquired coronavirus infections were confirmed.

NSW Health said one of today’s new cases went to Moss Vale Public School, while another went to Southern Highlands Early Childhood Centre.

The Wingecarribee Civic Centre in the Southern Highlands is closed today after confirmation that a staff member had tested positive to COVID-19.

Fragments of the virus were detected in the state’s sewage surveillance program in samples taken on November 4.

The area affected includes parts of Leppington, Catherine, Gledswood Hills, Varroville and Denham Court.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she was weary of the apparent stand-off between her and the Queensland Premier.

“I’m over the personal stuff, I just want it fixed, because I don’t know what I would do. … we’ve all been through enough in 2020,” she said.

How about this then, kill off the virus in your state, and then everyone will be clean and there won’t be any reason for them to shut you out after that. It’s an amazing idea ¡

maybe dan can go give them a hand to get the plague under control.

QLD SES have brought crews up from SA (to help with their storm damage load) because Vics aren’t allowed into the state yet.

>snorts<

Another Reason To Let It Rip

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/covid-19-pandemic-changes-australian-drug-habits/12855400

New research has found that regular users have struggled to get access to drugs like heroin and methamphetamine.

And while that’s offered some a clean break and a chance to seek support, it’s left others at greater risk of drug related harm.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The High Court throws out a challenge to Victoria’s COVID-19 lockdown from a Mornington Peninsula hotelier.

¿ref

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/high-court-challenge-to-victorias-covid-19-lockdown-dismissed/12856416

SCIENCE said:

And oh, NSW, still letting the country down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/four-new-cases-coronavirus-nsw-health-confirms/12855272

A school and a childcare centre in the NSW Southern Highlands have been closed after four locally acquired coronavirus infections were confirmed.

NSW Health said one of today’s new cases went to Moss Vale Public School, while another went to Southern Highlands Early Childhood Centre.

The Wingecarribee Civic Centre in the Southern Highlands is closed today after confirmation that a staff member had tested positive to COVID-19.

Fragments of the virus were detected in the state’s sewage surveillance program in samples taken on November 4.

The area affected includes parts of Leppington, Catherine, Gledswood Hills, Varroville and Denham Court.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she was weary of the apparent stand-off between her and the Queensland Premier.

“I’m over the personal stuff, I just want it fixed, because I don’t know what I would do. … we’ve all been through enough in 2020,” she said.

How about this then, kill off the virus in your state, and then everyone will be clean and there won’t be any reason for them to shut you out after that. It’s an amazing idea ¡

It is indeed!

Australian mortality stats to the end of July were released last week.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-jul-2020

buffy said:

Australian mortality stats to the end of July were released last week.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-jul-2020

Interesting.

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

There was bit on BBC News just them which mentioned people who think that coronavirus is a hoax.

What do they think has been done with hundreds of thousands of people?

Do they think that they’re not dead at all, but corralled in some secret ‘gubmint’ camp somewhere?

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

Cheer up, they are probably Trump supporters.

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

Yet the Trump fans are more worried about socialists eroding their fabulous constitution.

captain_spalding said:

There was bit on BBC News just them which mentioned people who think that coronavirus is a hoax.

What do they think has been done with hundreds of thousands of people?

Do they think that they’re not dead at all, but corralled in some secret ‘gubmint’ camp somewhere?

They’ve been sent around the world on a cruise ship.

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

No, that’s not right. Trump said the coronavirus would disappear on Nov 4 so that’s obviously fake news.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

There was bit on BBC News just them which mentioned people who think that coronavirus is a hoax.

What do they think has been done with hundreds of thousands of people?

Do they think that they’re not dead at all, but corralled in some secret ‘gubmint’ camp somewhere?

They’ve been sent around the world on a cruise ship.

They’re not sick with COVID, it’s a flu.

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

Don’t e surprised if Joe doesn’t ask Scomo to come over and sort it out.

captain_spalding said:

There was bit on BBC News just them which mentioned people who think that coronavirus is a hoax.

What do they think has been done with hundreds of thousands of people?

Do they think that they’re not dead at all, but corralled in some secret ‘gubmint’ camp somewhere?

In Fear The Walking Dead they housed all the zombies in the beginning in stadiums, tens of thousands of them, I bet that is why they are closed to the public

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

France looking pretty fuckety-fucked-fucked too. – 58,046

esselte said:

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

France looking pretty fuckety-fucked-fucked too. – 58,046

Imagine if no social distancing efforts occurred at all, probably get nearly the entire planet

esselte said:

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

France looking pretty fuckety-fucked-fucked too. – 58,046

They are all wearing Chinese made masks.

Cymek said:

esselte said:

dv said:

holy shit, 118204 new cases in the USA yesterday, 1125 deaths.

France looking pretty fuckety-fucked-fucked too. – 58,046

Imagine if no social distancing efforts occurred at all, probably get nearly the entire planet

I mean, there’s a reason why we have all heard of “The Plague” and “The Black Death”, and why we our children sing nursery ryhmes like Ring-a-ring O’rosey – all filtered down through history. These pandemics, they can get bad enough to leave a lasting impression, that’s for sure.

esselte said:

Cymek said:

esselte said:

France looking pretty fuckety-fucked-fucked too. – 58,046

Imagine if no social distancing efforts occurred at all, probably get nearly the entire planet

I mean, there’s a reason why we have all heard of “The Plague” and “The Black Death”, and why we our children sing nursery ryhmes like Ring-a-ring O’rosey – all filtered down through history. These pandemics, they can get bad enough to leave a lasting impression, that’s for sure.

Yes and our knowledge and technology has barely kept up with them, something really nasty could come along and kill hundreds of millions
Who knows if someone is stupid enough to weaponize a virus as well

MMMbop singer Isaac Hanson claims COVID is a conspiracy designed to cancel Christmas.

https://www.queerty.com/isaac-hanson-says-covid-19-part-government-plot-war-christmas-20201104

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202011/05/WS5fa35785a31024ad0ba83391.html

The Third China International Import Expo
Anti-COVID products, technologies

Medical industry exhibitors at the third China International Import Expo in Shanghai are showcasing the latest products that highlight innovation and collaboration as key to the world’s COVID-19 combat.

Industry observers said this is significant as some countries are experiencing the second wave of the pandemic, and could benefit from products that are on display at the CIIE.

Some 48 companies are exhibiting their blockbuster products and technologies related to the prevention and treatment of the novel coronavirus pneumonia.

Their products stand out in the public health and epidemic prevention exhibition zone that has been added to the expo this year.

The products and technologies reveal tireless efforts of the medical industry to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus and facilitate an optimized defense system against it.

Protective suits and disinfectants for prevention, test kits and CT devices for testing, and ventilators and extracorporeal membrane oxygenation machines for treatment are on display at the 12,000-square-meter zone.

The initial planned area for this section of the expo was 2,000 square meters but was expanded multiple times, following a high level of enthusiasm among exhibitors, according to the CIIE organizer.

Tocilizumab, a star immunosuppressant from Roche Pharma, which has been found to reduce the need for mechanical ventilation among acute COVID-19 patients, is among the exhibits. In early March, the National Health Commission included Tocilizumab in the country’s COVID-19 diagnosis and treatment plan.

Roche said research results showed COVID-19 patients who received the drug plus standard treatment were 44 percent less likely to progress to mechanical ventilation or death compared with other patients receiving placebo plus standard treatment.

Roche donated the drug worth around 14 million yuan ($2.1 million) to support medical institutions across China, particularly in Wuhan, Hubei province, when the city was hit hard by the epidemic.

Takeda, a Japanese biopharmaceutical company, said it has joined hands with world-leading plasma companies to set up the COVID-19 Plasma Alliance to help develop a potential plasma-derived therapy for acute cases.

Takeda said an experimental therapy is now being tested in a phase-III clinical trial. If successful, the alliance’s hyperimmune intravenous immunoglobulin may become one of the earliest treatment solutions for hospitalized, adult COVID-19 patients.

In parallel research, Takeda is also testing four products that could be effective against COVID-19.

“COVID-19 reminds us that public health matters for global prosperity, and cross-border collaboration is essential to fight against the pandemic,” said Sean Shan, president of Takeda China. “In such a context, the (third) CIIE offers a new ecosystem to bolster global cooperation in innovation.”

AbbVie, a debutant at the CIIE, is exhibiting a potential antibody therapy that is being jointly researched and developed with a US-based pharmaceutical company, Harbour BioMed, a Chinese biotech company, and two universities in the Netherlands－Utrecht University in Utrecht and Ernakulam Medical Centre in Rotterdam. The antibody therapy, if proven successful, would prevent as well as treat COVID-19.

Fosun Health is exhibiting an experimental COVID-19 vaccine it jointly developed with Germany’s BioNTech, a biotech company specializing in messenger RNA, or mRNA. In July, the mRNA vaccine candidate was approved in China for stage-I clinical trial, which will be kicked off in Taizhou city, Jiangsu province.

“By Sept 4, all 144 participants in the trial had completed taking the vaccine twice and were responding well,” Fosun Health said in a news release.

Another vaccine candidate jointly developed by BioNTech and Pfizer has started stage-II B and stage-III multicenter clinical trials in countries including the United States since July. On Sept 12, Pfizer said it will expand the number of participants in its large-scale trials from 30,000 to 44,000.

Compared with traditional vaccines, mRNA candidates are said to be more efficient in research and development, offer better safety, and their production can be swiftly scaled up.

Experts said they believed such vaccines are suitable during sudden outbreaks of epidemics like COVID-19.

Going back to looking at the very beginning – Jan 2020 and earlier.

Dang it. DV was right and I was wrong.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology didn’t develop a SARS vaccine in 2019. I was getting two different news articles confused, one about the origin of SARS and one about a new vaccine. However, in my defence, I did find this quote from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, “We previously developed a pan-coronavirus fusion inhibitor, EK1, which targeted the HR1 domain and could inhibit infection by divergent human coronaviruses tested, including SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV.”

Some research articles from the Institute http://english.whiov.cas.cn/sylbt2016/202004/t20200419_234986.html

“On 31 December 2019, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission reported that 27 cases of unexplained pneumonia linked to the wholesale Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan had been identified and hospitalized. By then, the investigation had not found significant human-to-human transmission and no medical personnel infected”.

Wang, “Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro”, Cell Research
Published: 04 February 2020

Zhang, “Clinical features and treatment of 2019-nCov pneumonia patients in Wuhan: report of a couple cases”, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12250-020-00203-8
“Till January 20, 2020, the 2019-new coronavirus (2019-nCoV) has caused more than one hundred cases in Wuhan. During a retrospective study of recent pneumonia patients in our department, we found two patients who are likely being infected with the 2019-nCoV. During the hospitalization, those two patients were appropriately treated, and both were discharged within two weeks. Thus, we are reporting the clinical features and treatment regimen.”

“the patient was given methylprednisolone 40 mg iv gtt for once, and then the fever subsided. The patient was given human gamma globulin 10 g iv gtt qd for five successive days, and then the dose was changed to 5 g. Considering the cause was unknown, we also used drugs to treat atypical pathogens, including moxifloxacin, and oseltamivir and abidol hydrochloride; meanwhile, the patient was given Chinese patent medicine Tanreqing iv gtt for adjunctive therapy.

Note the dates, 28 Dec 2019.
Progress of disease by CT scan.

Liu, “Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro”, Cell Discovery
Published: 18 March 2020

Xia, “Inhibition of SARS-CoV-2 (previously 2019-nCoV) infection by a highly potent pan-coronavirus fusion inhibitor targeting its spike protein that harbors a high capacity to mediate membrane fusion”, https://doi.org/10.1038/s41422-020-0305-x
Published: 30 March 2020

“Lipopeptide EK1C4 was highly effective against infection of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, as well as SARSr-CoVs, and potently inhibited the replication of 5 live human coronaviruses examined, including SARS-CoV-2. Intranasal application of EK1C4 before or after challenge with HCoV-OC43 protected mice from infection, suggesting that EK1C4 could be used for prevention and treatment of infection by the currently circulating SARS-CoV-2”.

Another day of 00 for Vic.

Could it be that the WHO made a monumental cock-up in Feb 2020?

In Feb 2020, WHO selected the four virus strains that would make up the quadrivalent flu vaccine to be released worldwide in Aug 2020.

“On On 30 January 2020, following the recommendations of the Emergency Committee, the WHO Director-General declared that the coronavirus outbreak constitutes a Public Health Emergency of International Concern”.

“World scientists on COVID-19 then met at the World Health Organization’s Geneva headquarters on 11–12 February 2020 to assess the current level of knowledge about the new virus, agree on critical research questions that need to be answered urgently, and to find ways to work together to accelerate and fund priority research to curtail this outbreak and prepare for those in the future.”

All of the four flu vaccines were manufactured as “dead virus” vaccines.
None of the Covid vaccines now under test are “dead virus” vaccines.

What I’m saying, is that WHO could have specified coronavirus as one of the components of the quadrivalent vaccine in February.
Dead Virus vaccines are safe, and if any lack of safety was discovered before June then it could easily have been excluded from the August release.

I now need to look into the Disease X document from WHO in 2018 to see if there was a major snafu there.

Rule 303 said:

Another day of 00 for Vic.

Huzzah!

mollwollfumble said:

Could it be that the WHO made a monumental cock-up in Feb 2020?

In Feb 2020, WHO selected the four virus strains that would make up the quadrivalent flu vaccine to be released worldwide in Aug 2020.

“On On 30 January 2020, following the recommendations of the Emergency Committee, the WHO Director-General declared that the coronavirus outbreak constitutes a Public Health Emergency of International Concern”.

“World scientists on COVID-19 then met at the World Health Organization’s Geneva headquarters on 11–12 February 2020 to assess the current level of knowledge about the new virus, agree on critical research questions that need to be answered urgently, and to find ways to work together to accelerate and fund priority research to curtail this outbreak and prepare for those in the future.”

All of the four flu vaccines were manufactured as “dead virus” vaccines.
None of the Covid vaccines now under test are “dead virus” vaccines.

What I’m saying, is that WHO could have specified coronavirus as one of the components of the quadrivalent vaccine in February.
Dead Virus vaccines are safe, and if any lack of safety was discovered before June then it could easily have been excluded from the August release.

I now need to look into the Disease X document from WHO in 2018 to see if there was a major snafu there.

Nah, I looked into the Disease X document from WHO in 2018.

It’s pure arse-covering. All it says is “the next global pandemic may be an unknown disease, look into it” without offering the slightest advice on how to look into it or what to do if it’s found.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Could it be that the WHO made a monumental cock-up in Feb 2020?

In Feb 2020, WHO selected the four virus strains that would make up the quadrivalent flu vaccine to be released worldwide in Aug 2020.

“On On 30 January 2020, following the recommendations of the Emergency Committee, the WHO Director-General declared that the coronavirus outbreak constitutes a Public Health Emergency of International Concern”.

“World scientists on COVID-19 then met at the World Health Organization’s Geneva headquarters on 11–12 February 2020 to assess the current level of knowledge about the new virus, agree on critical research questions that need to be answered urgently, and to find ways to work together to accelerate and fund priority research to curtail this outbreak and prepare for those in the future.”

All of the four flu vaccines were manufactured as “dead virus” vaccines.
None of the Covid vaccines now under test are “dead virus” vaccines.

What I’m saying, is that WHO could have specified coronavirus as one of the components of the quadrivalent vaccine in February.
Dead Virus vaccines are safe, and if any lack of safety was discovered before June then it could easily have been excluded from the August release.

I now need to look into the Disease X document from WHO in 2018 to see if there was a major snafu there.

Nah, I looked into the Disease X document from WHO in 2018.

It’s pure arse-covering. All it says is “the next global pandemic may be an unknown disease, look into it” without offering the slightest advice on how to look into it or what to do if it’s found.

¡ you should have advised them on exactly what to look for !

Victoria has bowled an old maiden over.

Rule 303 said:

Another day of 00 for Vic.

Excellent!

:)

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Another day of 00 for Vic.

Excellent!

:)

Meanwhile USA 127,000 and France 60,000.

sibeen said:

Victoria has bowled an old maiden over.

Nice

Germany had 22k+ cases overnight, on par with the UK.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Rule 303 said:

Another day of 00 for Vic.

Huzzah!

Have you missed doing that over the years you were lost in the wilderness and not visiting here?

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Rule 303 said:

Another day of 00 for Vic.

Huzzah!

Have you missed doing that over the years you were lost in the wilderness and not visiting here?

It was a time in my life where I thought there wasn’t a whole lot to Huzzah about. I was incorrect of course. I have to be vigilant that I don’t think like that again from time to time. So yes I have missed it!

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Huzzah!

Have you missed doing that over the years you were lost in the wilderness and not visiting here?

It was a time in my life where I thought there wasn’t a whole lot to Huzzah about. I was incorrect of course. I have to be vigilant that I don’t think like that again from time to time. So yes I have missed it!

Just come here and Arts will find you something to Huzzah about. She does if for sibeen all the time.

:)

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

Have you missed doing that over the years you were lost in the wilderness and not visiting here?

It was a time in my life where I thought there wasn’t a whole lot to Huzzah about. I was incorrect of course. I have to be vigilant that I don’t think like that again from time to time. So yes I have missed it!

Just come here and Arts will find you something to Huzzah about. She does if for sibeen all the time.

:)

Pfft that guy…

COVID-19 cases in the US have increased more than 50 per cent in the past two weeks.

According to an AP analysis of data from John Hopkins University, the seven-day rolling average for daily new cases rose from 61,166 on October 22 to 94,625 on November 5.

Fuck No, We Need To Live With, Not Without, It For The Economy To Grow

Coronavirus could disappear in Australia if NSW and Victoria maintain control over next few weeks, experts say

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-07/coronavirus-could-be-eliminated-in-australia-epidemiologists-say/12851152

The two states are responsible for 90 per cent of the country’s COVID-19 cases and 96 per cent of deaths.

Yesterday Victoria recorded its seventh straight day of no new cases and NSW has recorded nine cases since Monday.

Earlier this week, Ms Berejiklian said NSW Health modelling showed Victoria may have eliminated coronavirus. “They may have, because of the lockdown, actually gone down a path of having eliminated it at this point in time,” Ms Berejiklian said. We didn’t then hear, “see, told you our strategy was better, and Gold Standard”.

Victoria’s situation also lead to a return of the virus in NSW, when an infected transport worker from Melbourne visited the Crossroads Hotel on July 3.

The cluster, discovered two days after the NSW-Victoria border was closed, would eventually grow to 57 people. “With the second wave taking off , NSW were waiting for the virus to jump the border and they jumped on it,” she said. Despite the clear evidence we should be pointing the finger of blame at Danny, it is reassuring to hear authorities acknowledging the role of forewarning rather than exceptionalism.

Dr Vally said once the case numbers reach a certain level, contact tracing can’t keep up, no matter how good the public health system is. The data shows that when cases climbed over 40 a day, more and more cases were classified as having an unknown source or were under investigation, as contact tracers became swamped.

Alarmist Propaganda

Also Thank Fuck We Destroyed The Environment And Fires Are Killing All The Wildlife So They Won’t Be Able To Set Up A Permanent COVID-19 Reservoir

https://www.facebook.com/saramarzoukdr/posts/1588281401359425?__tn__=K-R

Denmark’s Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen announced that the country would cull all 17 million of the farmed mink present in the country. The reason behind the dramatic cull was new evidence of mink-to-human transmission of SARS-CoV-2, with 214 cases thus far confirmed by genomic sequencing. This is significant for two main reasons:

First, having another potential animal reservoir for the virus raises the possibility of the virus making its way into other animal populations. Having the virus circulating in several different animal reservoir populations makes it much more difficult to control due to ongoing animal-to-human and animal-to-animal reinfection.

Second, and most concerning, the Danish State Serum Institute has confirmed that multiple strains of mutated virus have been isolated from infected mink. Seven of these virus strains have mutations in the spike protein, which has three important roles: it is the means by which the virus gains entry into cells, it is an important trigger of the immune response to the virus, and lastly, it is a key target for vaccine development. One of these viruses had no less than four mutations in its spike protein, and laboratory tests found that this particular strain weakly triggered an antibody response from the convalescent serum of humans previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

These mink-derived mutations could hence theoretically make a potential vaccine less effective, or could result in a virus that is more contagious, or could create a virus that is more lethal.

This is why calls to ‘let her rip’ and aim for ‘natural’ herd immunity horrified scientists and public health officials. Because we did not know enough about this novel virus. We still do not know enough about the disease it causes. But what we do know is terrifying.

Whether it’s the higher mortality in the aged and vulnerable, or the long-haul symptoms affecting those in mid-life, or the paediatric syndromes of vasculitis, or the cardiac inflammation and the increased risks of stroke and neurological sequelae…this virus is wildly infectious and potentially vicious. And nothing jeopardises virus containment and vaccine development more than a virus happily mutating in new animal reservoirs.

We are barely able to deal with the virus in its current form. We can’t afford to let this virus find its way into other species because we couldn’t control its spread amongst ourselves.

certainly was reviled, and rightfully so

https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1281708871879286784

Am I right in thinking that Biden wants the number of Covid deaths in the US to double?

He’s already advertising that they will.

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that Biden wants the number of Covid deaths in the US to double?

He’s already advertising that they will.

seems fair, that’s what’s already been locked in, we’re glad he wants to limit it to that

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that Biden wants the number of Covid deaths in the US to double?

He’s already advertising that they will.

seems fair, that’s what’s already been locked in, we’re glad he wants to limit it to that

He didn’t say he wanted to limit it to that.

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that Biden wants the number of Covid deaths in the US to double?

He’s already advertising that they will.

What makes you think Biden wants that? Believing the scientists when they make projections is not tantamount to enthusiasm.

SCIENCE said:

certainly was reviled, and rightfully so

Herd immunity is brought about by the vaccination of enough people to make community transmission highly unlikely – Not killing so many that the ones left are probably immune.

FFS.

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that Biden wants the number of Covid deaths in the US to double?

He’s already advertising that they will.

Nah, that’s probably wrong. I don’t think anybody wants more people to die.

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that Biden wants the number of Covid deaths in the US to double?

He’s already advertising that they will.

Nah, that’s probably wrong. I don’t think anybody wants more people to die.

• .. stops typing*

Deadly New Coronavirus Spreads To Thailand But Authorities Urge Calm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/spread-of-mutated-coronavirus-in-danish-mink-hits-all-the-scary-buttons-but-fears-may-be-overblown/

(You may note they have modified the title.)

This is obviously an overreaction and they shouldn’t be culling mink at all, they need to sell their fur to enable The Economy Must Grow. Buy Danish Mink Now ¡¡¡

SCIENCE said:

Deadly New Coronavirus Spreads To Thailand But Authorities Urge Calm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/spread-of-mutated-coronavirus-in-danish-mink-hits-all-the-scary-buttons-but-fears-may-be-overblown/

(You may note they have modified the title.)

This is obviously an overreaction and they shouldn’t be culling mink at all, they need to sell their fur to enable The Economy Must Grow. Buy Danish Mink Now ¡¡¡

They’re not minks, they’re Siberian Ferrets.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Deadly New Coronavirus Spreads To Thailand But Authorities Urge Calm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/spread-of-mutated-coronavirus-in-danish-mink-hits-all-the-scary-buttons-but-fears-may-be-overblown/

(You may note they have modified the title.)

This is obviously an overreaction and they shouldn’t be culling mink at all, they need to sell their fur to enable The Economy Must Grow. Buy Danish Mink Now ¡¡¡

They’re not minks, they’re Siberian Ferrets.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Deadly New Coronavirus Spreads To Thailand But Authorities Urge Calm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/spread-of-mutated-coronavirus-in-danish-mink-hits-all-the-scary-buttons-but-fears-may-be-overblown/

(You may note they have modified the title.)

This is obviously an overreaction and they shouldn’t be culling mink at all, they need to sell their fur to enable The Economy Must Grow. Buy Danish Mink Now ¡¡¡

They’re not minks, they’re Siberian Ferrets.

filthy minkies.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Deadly New Coronavirus Spreads To Thailand But Authorities Urge Calm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/05/spread-of-mutated-coronavirus-in-danish-mink-hits-all-the-scary-buttons-but-fears-may-be-overblown/

(You may note they have modified the title.)

This is obviously an overreaction and they shouldn’t be culling mink at all, they need to sell their fur to enable The Economy Must Grow. Buy Danish Mink Now ¡¡¡

They’re not minks, they’re Siberian Ferrets.

is not ferret, is hamster.

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They’re not minks, they’re Siberian Ferrets.

is not ferret, is hamster.

Is not Hamster, is large Gerbil.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

is not ferret, is hamster.

Is not Hamster, is large Gerbil.

Is not, is Trump when 5 years old.

OK fine it’s Minsk

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

is not ferret, is hamster.

Is not Hamster, is large Gerbil.

Is not, is Trump when 5 years old.

You’ve jumped from Mammal to Reptile.

SCIENCE said:

OK fine it’s Minsk

Nah, it’s Moscow.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

OK fine it’s Minsk

Nah, it’s Moscow.

It’s Gdansk.

SCIENCE said:

OK fine it’s Minsk

its been a long journey from Milan to Minsk …

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

OK fine it’s Minsk

its been a long journey from Milan to Minsk …

Rochelle, Rochelle…

dv said:

“Gee. I hope it gets way worse than that”

furious said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

OK fine it’s Minsk

its been a long journey from Milan to Minsk …

Rochelle, Rochelle…

thank you furious… wasn’t sure that was obvious.

Going right back to the begining again, what did China do right?

http://en.nhc.gov.cn/2020-04/06/c_78861_2.htm

Timeline of Covid-19 in China

Late December 2019

— The Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in central China’s Hubei Province detected cases of pneumonia of unknown cause.

Dec 30, 2019

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission issued an urgent notification to medical institutions under its jurisdiction, ordering efforts to appropriately treat patients with pneumonia of unknown cause.

Dec 31, 2019

— The National Health Commission (NHC) made arrangements in the wee hours, sending a working group and an expert team to Wuhan to guide epidemic response and conduct on-site investigations.

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released a briefing on its website about the pneumonia outbreak in the city, confirming 27 cases and telling the public not to go to enclosed public places or gather. It suggested wearing face masks when going out.

— Starting Dec 31, 2019, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released briefings on the pneumonia outbreak in accordance with the law.

January 2020

Jan 1

— The NHC set up a leading group to determine the emergency response to the epidemic. The group convened meetings on a daily basis since then.

Jan 2

— The Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (China CDC) and the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences (CAMS) received the first batch of samples of four patients from Hubei Province and began pathogen identification.

— The NHC came up with a set of guidelines on early discovery, early diagnosis and early quarantine for the prevention and control of the viral pneumonia of unknown cause.

Jan 3

— Starting Jan 3, China has been regularly informing the WHO, relevant countries and regions and China’s Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan about the pneumonia outbreak.

— China began to inform the United States of the pneumonia outbreak and response measures on a regular basis.

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission updated briefing on its website about the situation of viral pneumonia of unknown cause, reporting a total of 44 cases of viral pneumonia of unknown cause.

— The NHC organized the China CDC and three other institutions to carry out parallel laboratory testing of the samples for pathogen identification.

— The NHC and the Health Commission of Hubei Province jointly worked out nine documents on the outbreak, including a trial version of guidelines on the diagnosis and treatment of viral pneumonia of unknown cause.

Jan 4

— The NHC and relevant health departments in Hubei Province issued a treatment manual for viral pneumonia of unknown cause to all medical institutions in Wuhan City, and provided citywide training.

— Head of the China CDC talked over phone with director of the US CDC about the pneumonia outbreak. The two sides agreed to keep in close contact for information sharing and technological cooperation.

Jan 5

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission updated briefing on the situation of viral pneumonia of unknown cause, reporting a total of 59 cases. Laboratory test results ruled out respiratory pathogens, such as influenza, avian influenza, adenovirus, the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus, and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus, as the cause.

— China informed the WHO about the outbreak updates.

— The WHO released its first briefing on cases of pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan.

Jan 6

— The NHC gave a briefing on cases of pneumonia of unknown cause at a national health conference, calling for efforts to strengthen monitoring, analysis and study, and make timely response.

Jan 7

— Xi Jinping, general secretary of the CPC Central Committee, made instructions on epidemic response when presiding over a meeting of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee.

— The China CDC succeeded in isolating the first novel coronavirus strain.

Jan 8

— An expert evaluation team from the NHC initially identified a new coronavirus as the cause of the epidemic.

— Heads of China and US CDCs talked over phone to discuss technological exchanges and cooperation.

Jan 9

— An expert team from the NHC made public of the pathogen, saying a new type of coronavirus was initially identified as the cause of the viral pneumonia in Wuhan.

— China informed the WHO about the epidemic, sharing with the WHO the initial progress in determining the cause of the viral pneumonia in Wuhan.

— The WHO released on its website a statement regarding a cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, saying that preliminary identification of a novel coronavirus in a short period of time is a notable achievement.

Jan 10

— Research institutions including the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) developed testing kits. Wuhan City organized tests of all relevant cases admitted at hospitals in the city.

— Head of the NHC Ma Xiaowei talked over phone with WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus about the epidemic response.

— Head of China CDC exchanged information over phone with WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

— The China CDC shared with the WHO the specific primers and probes for detecting the novel coronavirus.

mollwollfumble said:

Going right back to the begining again, what did China do right?

http://en.nhc.gov.cn/2020-04/06/c_78861_2.htm

Timeline of Covid-19 in China

Late December 2019

— The Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in central China’s Hubei Province detected cases of pneumonia of unknown cause.
…

— The China CDC shared with the WHO the specific primers and probes for detecting the novel coronavirus.

Jan 11

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission updated briefing on the situation of viral pneumonia of unknown cause.

Jan 12

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission changed the name of “viral pneumonia of unknown cause“to “pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus” for the first time in a briefing.

— The China CDC, the CAMS and the WIV under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), as designated agencies of the NHC, submitted to the WHO the genome sequence of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), which was published by the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data (GISAID) and shared globally.

— The NHC shared with the WHO about information on the genome sequence of the novel coronavirus.

Jan 13

— The NHC held a meeting to instruct Wuhan authorities to further strengthen social management measures and body temperature monitoring of people at ports and stations, as well as reduce crowd gathering.

— Delegations from the Hong Kong and Macao special administrative regions and Taiwan visited Wuhan (until Jan 14.)

— Wuhan Municipal Health Commission updated the outbreak briefing on its official website, saying Wuhan had reported a total of 41 cases of pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus as of Jan 12.

— The WHO issued on its official website a statement on the discovery of the novel coronavirus cases in Thailand, pointing out that China’s sharing of the genome sequence enabled more countries to quickly diagnose patients.

Jan 14

— The NHC held a national teleconference, making arrangements for Hubei Province and Wuhan City to strengthen epidemic prevention and control, while ordering the whole country to prepare for epidemic prevention and response.

Jan 15

— The NHC unveiled the first version of guidelines on diagnosis and treatment for pneumonia caused by novel coronavirus, along with the guidelines on prevention and control measures.

Jan 16

— After the optimization of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) diagnostic reagents was complete, Wuhan City took proactive measures to screen all patients treated in fever clinics or under medical observation in 69 secondary or above hospitals.

— Foreign journalists asked about the epidemic for the first time at a press conference held by the Chinese foreign ministry in Beijing. Foreign ministry spokesperson said that China has timely informed the WHO and other international organizations of the outbreak and kept close communication with them.

Jan 17

— The NHC sent seven inspection teams to different provincial-level regions to instruct local epidemic prevention and control work.

Jan 18

— The NHC organized and sent a high-level expert team, headed by Zhong Nanshan, to Wuhan City to carry out on-site investigation into the prevention and control work (until Jan 19).

— The NHC released the second version of guidelines on the diagnosis and treatment for the pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus.

Jan 19

— The NHC distributed nucleic acid testing reagents to health departments across the country.

— The China CDC communicated with the US CDC on epidemic prevention and control.

— Wuhan Municipal Health Commission updated the outbreak briefing on its official website, saying as of Jan 17, Wuhan had reported a total of 62 confirmed cases, including 19 cases discharged after recovery, eight cases with severe symptoms, and two deaths.

Jan 20

— Xinhua News Agency reported that Chinese President Xi Jinping, also general secretary of CPC Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission, has made important instructions on the outbreak of pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus in Wuhan City and other places in Hubei Province, stressing the Party committees and governments at all levels must put people’s safety and health as the top priority, make thorough plans, take effective measures to curb the spread of the virus, timely release information and deepen international cooperation.

—Xinhua News Agency reported that Premier Li Keqiang chaired an executive meeting of the State Council to make further arrangements on the prevention and control work of the pneumonia outbreak caused by the novel coronavirus.

— A teleconference of the joint prevention and control mechanism of the State Council was held in Beijing, at which Vice Premier Sun Chunlan stressed local authorities must take their responsibilities, strengthen the prevention and control measures, secure people’s health, and maintain normal production and everyday life order.

— Wuhan Municipal Health Commission updated the outbreak briefing on its official website: as of 10 pm on Jan. 19, Wuhan reported a total of 198 cases of pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus, with 25 cured and discharged cases, three deaths.

— The NHC held a press conference for the high-level expert team headed by Zhong Nanshan, who on the team’s behalf confirmed human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus and called on people not to go to Wuhan except for extremely important reasons.

— The NHC released a statement to classify the novel coronavirus pneumonia as a category B infectious disease under the law on prevention and control of infectious diseases, but take preventive and control measures of category A infectious diseases; the novel coronavirus pneumonia was put under quarantinable infectious disease management according to the Frontier Health and Quarantine Law.

— The NHC published the second version of guidelines on the prevention and control of the novel coronavirus pneumonia.

— Researchers from City University of Hong Kong published a genetic analysis on the bioRxiv preprint platform, suggesting what animals that serve as the transmission vehicle of the 2019-nCoV remains to be identified.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Going right back to the begining again, what did China do right?

http://en.nhc.gov.cn/2020-04/06/c_78861_2.htm

Timeline of Covid-19 in China

Late December 2019

— The Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in central China’s Hubei Province detected cases of pneumonia of unknown cause.
…

— The China CDC shared with the WHO the specific primers and probes for detecting the novel coronavirus.

Jan 11

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission updated briefing on the situation of viral pneumonia of unknown cause.

Jan 12

— The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission changed the name of “viral pneumonia of unknown cause“to “pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus” for the first time in a briefing.

— The China CDC, the CAMS and the WIV under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), as designated agencies of the NHC, submitted to the WHO the genome sequence of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), which was published by the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data (GISAID) and shared globally.

…

— The NHC published the second version of guidelines on the prevention and control of the novel coronavirus pneumonia.

— Researchers from City University of Hong Kong published a genetic analysis on the bioRxiv preprint platform, suggesting what animals that serve as the transmission vehicle of the 2019-nCoV remains to be identified.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/pdf/2020/1.Clinical.Protocols.for.the.Diagnosis.and.Treatment.of.COVID-19.V7.pdf

“Diagnosis and Treatment Protocol for Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia (Version 7) Released by National Health Commission & State Administration of Traditional Chinese Medicine on March 3, 2020”

“novel coronavirus pneumonia (NCP) has been included in Class B infectious diseases prescribed in the Law of the People’s Republic of China on Prevention and Treatment of Infectious Diseases, and managed as an infectious disease of Class A. By taking a series of preventive control and medical treatment measures, the rise of the epidemic situation in China has been contained to a certain extent, and the epidemic situation has eased in most provinces … pay attention to the spread caused by the imported cases from overseas”

“Pathological changes: 1. lungs, 2. Spleen, hilar lymph nodes and bone marrow, etc.”

“Incubation period 3 to 7 days”.

“Antiviral therapy: Hospitals can try:

• Alpha-interferon (5 million U or equivalent dose each time for adults, adding 2ml of sterilized water, atomization inhalation twice daily),
• lopinavir/ritonavir (200 mg/50mg per pill for adults, two pills each time, twice daily, no longer than 10 days),
• Ribavirin (suggested to be used jointly with interferon or lopinavir/ritonavir, 500 mg each time for adults, twice or three times of intravenous injection daily, no longer than 10 days),
• chloroquine phosphate (500 mg bid for 7 days for adults aged 18-65 with body weight over 50 kg; 500 mg bid for Days 1&2 and 500 mg qd for Days 3-7 for adults with body weight below 50 kg),
• Arbidol (200 mg tid for adults, no longer than 10 days).”

“3.6 Blood purification treatment including plasma exchange, absorption, perfusion and blood/plasma filtration can remove inflammatory factors and block “cytokine storm”, so as to reduce the damage of inflammatory reactions to the body.”

“3.7 Immunotherapy: For patients with extensive lung lesions and severe cases who also show an increased level of IL-6 in laboratory testing, Tocilizumab can be used for treatment.The initial dose is 4-8mg/kg with the recommended dose of 400mg diluted with 0.9% normal saline to 100ml. The infusion time should be more than 1 hour.”

“4.Traditional Chinese Medicine treatment

• Chinese patent medicine: Huoxiang Zhengqi capsules (pills, liquid, or oral solution)Clinical manifestation
• Chinese patent medicine: Jinhua Qinggan granules, Lianhua Qingwen capsules (granules), Shufeng Jiedu capsules (granules), Fangfeng Tongsheng pills (granules)
• Ephedra 9g, Zhigancao 6g, Almond 9g, Gypsum 15-30g (fried first), Guizhi 9g, Zixie 9g, Zhuling 9g, Baizhu 9g, Zhiling 15g, Bupleurum 16g, Scutellaria baicalensis 6g, and Pinellia 9g , Ginger 9g, aster 9g, winter flower 9g, shoot dry 9g, asarum 6g, yam 12g, coriander fruit 6g, tangerine peel 6g, aquilegia 9g.
  …
• Severe cases: Raw ephedra 6g, almond 9g, raw gypsum 15g, licorice 3g, fragrant fragrant 10g (back), Magnolia 10g, atractylodes 15g, grass fruit 10g, pinellia 9g, Poria 15g, raw rhubarb 5g (back) 10g, gardenia 10g, red peony 10g.Suggested use: one or two doses daily, boiled with 100-200ml water, take it 2- 4 times, oral or nasal feeding.
• Critical cases: The use of traditional Chinese medicine injections follows the principle of starting from a small dose and gradually adjusting the dosage. 0.9% sodium chloride injection 250ml plus Xiyanping injection 100mg bid, or 0.9% sodium chloride injection 250ml heated Duning injection 20ml, or 0.9% sodium chloride injection 250ml plus Tanreqing injection 40ml bid.”

“Discharge criteria

• Body temperature is back to normal for more than three days;
• Respiratory symptoms improve obviously;
• Pulmonary imaging shows obvious absorption of inflammation,
• Nucleic acid tests negative twice consecutively on respiratory tract samples such as sputum and nasopharyngeal swabs (sampling interval being at least 24 hours).”

“After discharge, it is recommended for patients to monitor their own health status in 17 isolation for 14 days, wear a mask, live in well-ventilated single room if possible, minimize close contact with family members, separate dinning, practice hand hygiene and avoid going out.”

and to add to all your happies this thing is still out there in Australia but apparently only in NSW

SCIENCE said:

and to add to all your happies this thing is still out there in Australia but apparently only in NSW

Huzzah!.

Sorry, we take that back, even better news than we thought.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-08/nsw-reports-no-locally-acquired-coronavirus-infections/12861202

NSW Health says there have been no new cases of locally acquired COVID-19 in the latest reporting period.

(but wait a week before being confident it’s not hiding out there)

Seriously though why is this a thing, you’d think the sensible answer is (1) continue to reject travel from hotspots (2) accept travel from other places that have achieved elimination, but since the federal government controls national borders, we’ll see.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-08/climbing-coronavirus-cases-will-test-hotel-quarantine/12844190

6732 deaths in the US in the last 7 days