Something tells me that dead fish will be going cheaply.

roughbarked said:

Something tells me that dead fish will be going cheaply.

It’s not really US election day yet. They get our used days, and they haven’t got it yet.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Something tells me that dead fish will be going cheaply.

It’s not really US election day yet. They get our used days, and they haven’t got it yet.

True.

ABC is doing American election stuff all day on the TV tomorrow.

Predictions! Make your predictions here!

Will Trump or Biden be victorious? Will Trump claim premature victory? Will the US descend into civil war? Will aliens come forward and say the last four years have been an elaborate hoax?

There’s an alien in the white house now.

buffy said:

ABC is doing American election stuff all day on the TV tomorrow.

So’s channel 7. Not that I’ll be watching. I can get all my election news right here on the forum.

Speaking of channel 7, their dumb breakfast show is broadcasting live from Redcliffe foreshore tomorrow morning. I’d go, but I’m sorting my socks drawer.

Trump FTW.

Divine Angel said:

Predictions! Make your predictions here!

Will Trump or Biden be victorious? Will Trump claim premature victory? Will the US descend into civil war? Will aliens come forward and say the last four years have been an elaborate hoax?

The Supreme Court will decide it in Trump’s favour.

Divine Angel said:

Predictions! Make your predictions here!

Will Trump or Biden be victorious? Will Trump claim premature victory? Will the US descend into civil war? Will aliens come forward and say the last four years have been an elaborate hoax?

Biden will by taking Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan by small margins but only after Trump declared himself the victor on the night or Wednesday morning. There will be protests everywhere and 15 will be shot.

In the end the Republican leadership will abandon Trump after it becomes clear that Democrats both one the senate and the house. Only 10 days after the election will it be generally accepted with only 10% of citizens believing the election was stolen from Trump.

In the mean time BUY BUY BUY!!!

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Predictions! Make your predictions here!

Will Trump or Biden be victorious? Will Trump claim premature victory? Will the US descend into civil war? Will aliens come forward and say the last four years have been an elaborate hoax?

Biden will by taking Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan by small margins but only after Trump declared himself the victor on the night or Wednesday morning. There will be protests everywhere and 15 will be shot.

In the end the Republican leadership will abandon Trump after it becomes clear that Democrats both one the senate and the house. Only 10 days after the election will it be generally accepted with only 10% of citizens believing the election was stolen from Trump.

In the mean time BUY BUY BUY!!!

one =won

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Predictions! Make your predictions here!

Will Trump or Biden be victorious? Will Trump claim premature victory? Will the US descend into civil war? Will aliens come forward and say the last four years have been an elaborate hoax?

Biden will by taking Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan by small margins but only after Trump declared himself the victor on the night or Wednesday morning. There will be protests everywhere and 15 will be shot.

In the end the Republican leadership will abandon Trump after it becomes clear that Democrats both one the senate and the house. Only 10 days after the election will it be generally accepted with only 10% of citizens believing the election was stolen from Trump.

In the mean time BUY BUY BUY!!!

Trump toilet brushes top of the shopping lists.

Good Lord they’ve got some deranged Trump fan on ABC News breakfast. “fake news; law and order, beating the pandemic, China virus’ …

Witty Rejoinder said:

Good Lord they’ve got some deranged Trump fan on ABC News breakfast. “fake news; law and order, beating the pandemic, China virus’ …

At least Michael Rolland is grilling her…

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Good Lord they’ve got some deranged Trump fan on ABC News breakfast. “fake news; law and order, beating the pandemic, China virus’ …

At least Michael Rolland is grilling her…

And she’s a medical doctor too!!! 😂

Witty Rejoinder said:

Good Lord they’ve got some deranged Trump fan on ABC News breakfast. “fake news; law and order, beating the pandemic, China virus’ …

The virus will just go away like Fauci.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Good Lord they’ve got some deranged Trump fan on ABC News breakfast. “fake news; law and order, beating the pandemic, China virus’ …

The virus will just go away like Fauci.

Did you see Diamond and Silk on Planet America last week? How do you keep a straight face interviewing such people?

Divine Angel said:

Predictions! Make your predictions here!

Will Trump or Biden be victorious? Will Trump claim premature victory? Will the US descend into civil war? Will aliens come forward and say the last four years have been an elaborate hoax?

Yes, Yes, Probably not, and no, they will continue with their cunning plan through to completion.

Divine Angel said:

Predictions! Make your predictions here!

Will Trump or Biden be victorious? Will Trump claim premature victory? Will the US descend into civil war? Will aliens come forward and say the last four years have been an elaborate hoax?

I’ve got a quinella bet on the Yellowstone super-geyser exploding and the the big tsunami-making Hawaiian landslide both happening on US election day.

The odds are astronomical, but hey, it’s 2020, after all.

roughbarked said:

There’s an alien in the white house now.

It certainly doesn’t give any indication that it’s human.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There’s an alien in the white house now.

It certainly doesn’t give any indication that it’s human.

Anti Trump Memes Here

Tau.Neutrino said:

Anti Trump Memes Here

So is that one about the child rape cases true?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Anti Trump Memes Here

So is that one about the child rape cases true?

I doubt it. Actual fake news: you heard it here first.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Anti Trump Memes Here

So is that one about the child rape cases true?

I doubt it. Actual fake news: you heard it here first.

Snopes says “mostly false”:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-child-rape-settlements/

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Anti Trump Memes Here

So is that one about the child rape cases true?

What’s True

A woman using the pseudonym “Katie Johnson” has twice filed a civil lawsuit against Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein accusing them of having sexually abused her when she was 13 years old, but those lawsuits were dismissed or withdrawn.

What’s False

No evidence supports the claim that Trump has paid upwards of $35 million to silence accusations that he raped several children ranging in age from 10 to 13.

“The third method is through direct record electronic systems, or DREs. The voter makes their choices on a touchscreen or using a dial, and presses a “Vote” or “Cast Ballot” button to register their decision. That’s the kind of machine used by Harris County, making it the largest jurisdiction in the country — with 4.7 million residents — whose votes can’t be verified by a paper trail”

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/02/texas-count-votes/

…

No paper trail is a disaster waiting to happen IMO.

Witty Rejoinder said:

“The third method is through direct record electronic systems, or DREs. The voter makes their choices on a touchscreen or using a dial, and presses a “Vote” or “Cast Ballot” button to register their decision. That’s the kind of machine used by Harris County, making it the largest jurisdiction in the country — with 4.7 million residents — whose votes can’t be verified by a paper trail”

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/02/texas-count-votes/

…

No paper trail is a disaster waiting to happen IMO.

A subjective viewpoint.

Witty Rejoinder said:

“The third method is through direct record electronic systems, or DREs. The voter makes their choices on a touchscreen or using a dial, and presses a “Vote” or “Cast Ballot” button to register their decision. That’s the kind of machine used by Harris County, making it the largest jurisdiction in the country — with 4.7 million residents — whose votes can’t be verified by a paper trail”

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/02/texas-count-votes/

…

No paper trail is a disaster waiting to happen IMO.

+1. But you knew I’d agree to that one.

Personally I think our system is very good. Pencil and paper is difficult to fudge, apart from ballot boxes going missing. And that is way harder to organize than a power glitch that wipes out all votes already cast.

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

buffy said:

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

Celebrate Diversity ¡

buffy said:

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

That could only be made mandatory with a constitutional amendment requiring 37 state legislatures to approve it. Some states are okay but others are laughable.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

That could only be made mandatory with a constitutional amendment requiring 37 state legislatures to approve it. Some states are okay but others are laughable.

I think it’s time they grew up. The current president is a symptom.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

That could only be made mandatory with a constitutional amendment requiring 37 state legislatures to approve it. Some states are okay but others are laughable.

US States are very protective of ‘states’ rights’.

Goes back to the post-Revolution foundation of the US. Lots of fear of giving a Federal govt too much power. State made sure that a lot of powers remained withthem.

For quite a while, the federal govt had little power to raise funds for itself, and had to depend on contributions from the states. And didn’t they enjoy playying cat-and-mouse with paying/not paying their contributions!

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

That could only be made mandatory with a constitutional amendment requiring 37 state legislatures to approve it. Some states are okay but others are laughable.

I think it’s time they grew up. The current president is a symptom.

Yeah. A time for renewal is at hand.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

That could only be made mandatory with a constitutional amendment requiring 37 state legislatures to approve it. Some states are okay but others are laughable.

US States are very protective of ‘states’ rights’.

Goes back to the post-Revolution foundation of the US. Lots of fear of giving a Federal govt too much power. State made sure that a lot of powers remained withthem.

For quite a while, the federal govt had little power to raise funds for itself, and had to depend on contributions from the states. And didn’t they enjoy playying cat-and-mouse with paying/not paying their contributions!

The states can keep the power to run the election, but the system desperately needs to be standardized. They might even find it’s cheaper if everyone is working to the same system.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Anti Trump Memes Here

So is that one about the child rape cases true?

What’s True

A woman using the pseudonym “Katie Johnson” has twice filed a civil lawsuit against Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein accusing them of having sexually abused her when she was 13 years old, but those lawsuits were dismissed or withdrawn.

What’s False

No evidence supports the claim that Trump has paid upwards of $35 million to silence accusations that he raped several children ranging in age from 10 to 13.

Impotus Americanus

Ogmog said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So is that one about the child rape cases true?

What’s True

A woman using the pseudonym “Katie Johnson” has twice filed a civil lawsuit against Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein accusing them of having sexually abused her when she was 13 years old, but those lawsuits were dismissed or withdrawn.

What’s False

No evidence supports the claim that Trump has paid upwards of $35 million to silence accusations that he raped several children ranging in age from 10 to 13.

Impotus Americanus

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144

I predict that Palmer won’t win a single seat.

Bubblecar said:

I predict that Palmer won’t win a single seat.

He apparently couldn’t buy one for 60 mill.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And for goodness sake…federalize the system and have the same system all over the country. There is no logical reason for all the different things they have, from paper to machines to butterfly ballots to colouring in the oval to punching the chad out…

That could only be made mandatory with a constitutional amendment requiring 37 state legislatures to approve it. Some states are okay but others are laughable.

There’s no way to reform the American political system without bipartisan support, but the stupidity of the current system is the only thing keeping Republicans in the game, so reform is not going to get bipartisan support unless Republicans are basically wiped out at the Federal and State level.

Apart from POTUS, which other positions are Americans voting for? Every ballot has different names, plus of course Presidential candidates.

Divine Angel said:

Apart from POTUS, which other positions are Americans voting for? Every ballot has different names, plus of course Presidential candidates.

435 congress people. 33 Senators and 15 State Governors plus all the other crazy elections where Americans elect judges, police chiefs and various other state and municipal offices.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Apart from POTUS, which other positions are Americans voting for? Every ballot has different names, plus of course Presidential candidates.

435 congress people. 33 Senators and 15 State Governors plus all the other crazy elections where Americans elect judges, police chiefs and various other state and municipal offices.

Voting for dogcatcher in Duxbury, Vermont.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Apart from POTUS, which other positions are Americans voting for? Every ballot has different names, plus of course Presidential candidates.

435 congress people. 33 Senators and 15 State Governors plus all the other crazy elections where Americans elect judges, police chiefs and various other state and municipal offices.

If Dems carry those states, then they will have a majority in the new senate?

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Apart from POTUS, which other positions are Americans voting for? Every ballot has different names, plus of course Presidential candidates.

435 congress people. 33 Senators and 15 State Governors plus all the other crazy elections where Americans elect judges, police chiefs and various other state and municipal offices.

If Dems carry those states, then they will have a majority in the new senate?

They need to win 5 senate seats IIRC. They stand to lose 1.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

435 congress people. 33 Senators and 15 State Governors plus all the other crazy elections where Americans elect judges, police chiefs and various other state and municipal offices.

If Dems carry those states, then they will have a majority in the new senate?

They need to win 5 senate seats IIRC. They stand to lose 1.

If Biden picks up five of the six key states then will they gain those seats?

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

If Dems carry those states, then they will have a majority in the new senate?

They need to win 5 senate seats IIRC. They stand to lose 1.

If Biden picks up five of the six key states then will they gain those seats?

No. Different election. People vote directly for the president , the executive branch , and also vote for senators and congress people in the legislative branch. If Biden wins the presidency and the dems get 5 senators more they will have a majority in both the house and the senate and will control the trifecta. The US president doesn’t have an electorate as our head of government, the PM, does in the Westminster parliamentary democracies.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

435 congress people. 33 Senators and 15 State Governors plus all the other crazy elections where Americans elect judges, police chiefs and various other state and municipal offices.

If Dems carry those states, then they will have a majority in the new senate?

They need to win 5 senate seats IIRC. They stand to lose 1.

Ta

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

If Dems carry those states, then they will have a majority in the new senate?

They need to win 5 senate seats IIRC. They stand to lose 1.

If Biden picks up five of the six key states then will they gain those seats?

More often than not people tend to “Vote the Party Line”
(vote along the same party for lesser seats in the hopes
of The House, Senate & Executive branches accomplishing more)
so yes, there’d be more than an even chance of “Flipping Control”.

Divine Angel said:

Good call, Todd Sampson.

Divine Angel said:

Gee that’s a low act

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

Good call, Todd Sampson.

How the intelligence test is going so far.

Is anyone actually voting for Biden, or are they just voting anti-Rump?

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

Good call, Todd Sampson.

How the intelligence test is going so far.

Is anyone actually voting for Biden, or are they just voting anti-Rump?

I’m sure some of them are actually voting for Kamala.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Good call, Todd Sampson.

How the intelligence test is going so far.

Is anyone actually voting for Biden, or are they just voting anti-Rump?

I’m sure some of them are actually voting for Kamala.

Which is probably a reasonable bet.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

How the intelligence test is going so far.

Is anyone actually voting for Biden, or are they just voting anti-Rump?

I’m sure some of them are actually voting for Kamala.

Which is probably a reasonable bet.

especially since Biden will be assassinated shortly.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I’m sure some of them are actually voting for Kamala.

Which is probably a reasonable bet.

especially since Biden will be assassinated shortly.

damn. that was meant to be a type and delete (TnD) not a type and post (TnP).

Arts said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Which is probably a reasonable bet.

especially since Biden will be assassinated shortly.

damn. that was meant to be a type and delete (TnD) not a type and post (TnP).

It’s alright, we shall all feign ignorance when you complete the job.

Pence not quite willing to ride the Trumptrain all the way to clowntown just yet, points out the winner isn’t known yet

NYT have shifted their needle for Georgia back towards Biden

Three more states have voted to legalise recreational marijuana

dv said:

Three more states have voted to legalise recreational marijuana

About time we do it in Australia

“Donald Trump, clearly unhappy that a winner had not yet been declared, has vowed to go the US Supreme Court to stop certain postal votes being counted. “

Yup.

Rule 303 said:

“Donald Trump, clearly unhappy that a winner had not yet been declared, has vowed to go the US Supreme Court to stop certain postal votes being counted. “

Yup.

Except he can’t. And some Republican law people have publicly said so.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

“Donald Trump, clearly unhappy that a winner had not yet been declared, has vowed to go the US Supreme Court to stop certain postal votes being counted. “

Yup.

Except he can’t. And some Republican law people have publicly said so.

Would that stop him trying?

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

“Donald Trump, clearly unhappy that a winner had not yet been declared, has vowed to go the US Supreme Court to stop certain postal votes being counted. “

Yup.

Except he can’t. And some Republican law people have publicly said so.

can’t win 2016 either

Cymek said:

dv said:

Three more states have voted to legalise recreational marijuana

About time we do it in Australia

we just need 4 years of Trump and a few of our states will right

Divine Angel said:

I would have summed it up more briefly: “He’s a crook, a liar and a piece of shit. Ignore him.”

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

I would have summed it up more briefly: “He’s a crook, a liar and a piece of shit. Ignore him.”

makes sense now why ignoring bullies in the playground never works

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

I would have summed it up more briefly: “He’s a crook, a liar and a piece of shit. Ignore him.”

makes sense now why ignoring bullies in the playground never works

True, but I am actually trying to ignore him :)

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

I would have summed it up more briefly: “He’s a crook, a liar and a piece of shit. Ignore him.”

I would sum it up thusly: “His whole presidency has existed upon corruptions of moral and legal principles a hundred times more serious than this – And half the country have just voted for him to be returned.”

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

I would have summed it up more briefly: “He’s a crook, a liar and a piece of shit. Ignore him.”

makes sense now why ignoring bullies in the playground never works

True, but I am actually trying to ignore him :)

He belongs in Alcatraz.

Twitter suspends The Chaser account for pretending to be Donald Trump.
https://www.pedestrian.tv/online/the-chaser-suspended-twitter-donald-trump/

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

makes sense now why ignoring bullies in the playground never works

True, but I am actually trying to ignore him :)

He belongs in Alcatraz.

A tourist attraction displaying the horrors of the past?

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

I would have summed it up more briefly: “He’s a crook, a liar and a piece of shit. Ignore him.”

I would sum it up thusly: “His whole presidency has existed upon corruptions of moral and legal principles a hundred times more serious than this – And half the country have just voted for him to be returned.”

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

True, but I am actually trying to ignore him :)

He belongs in Alcatraz.

A tourist attraction displaying the horrors of the past?

I prefer head-impaled-on-stick, personally.

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

I would have summed it up more briefly: “He’s a crook, a liar and a piece of shit. Ignore him.”

I would sum it up thusly: “His whole presidency has existed upon corruptions of moral and legal principles a hundred times more serious than this – And half the country have just voted for him to be returned.”

Yeah, but this is the populist trivia – the real stuff is a hundred times worse.

Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I would sum it up thusly: “His whole presidency has existed upon corruptions of moral and legal principles a hundred times more serious than this – And half the country have just voted for him to be returned.”

Yeah, but this is the populist trivia – the real stuff is a hundred times worse.

It’s the stuff we don’t know about that scares me.

Divine Angel said:

Twitter suspends The Chaser account for pretending to be Donald Trump.
https://www.pedestrian.tv/online/the-chaser-suspended-twitter-donald-trump/

That’s outrageous.

SWMBO is consoling herself with political goodness by watching the West Wing episode “The Stackhouse Filibuster”.

sibeen said:

SWMBO is consoling herself with political goodness by watching the West Wing episode “The Stackhouse Filibuster”.

I’m going to leave the computer and watch another episode of Schitt’s Creek, which has had a few funny bits so far but is actually crap. It’s an opportunity to fold up the basket of underwear with a bit of background noise.

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO is consoling herself with political goodness by watching the West Wing episode “The Stackhouse Filibuster”.

I’m going to leave the computer and watch another episode of Schitt’s Creek, which has had a few funny bits so far but is actually crap. It’s an opportunity to fold up the basket of underwear with a bit of background noise.

I’ve been thinking about giving that a look. So you don’t recommend it?

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO is consoling herself with political goodness by watching the West Wing episode “The Stackhouse Filibuster”.

I’m going to leave the computer and watch another episode of Schitt’s Creek, which has had a few funny bits so far but is actually crap. It’s an opportunity to fold up the basket of underwear with a bit of background noise.

I’ve been thinking about giving that a look. So you don’t recommend it?

I heard that it takes a couple of episodes to get better, so I gave it a chance. In Season 3 or 4 there were a couple of good consecutive episodes and now at the end of Season 5, I feel I am wasting my life. Anyhow, back to the underwear folding as I am only half-way through the basket.

Kanye West for President! YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

I’m going to leave the computer and watch another episode of Schitt’s Creek, which has had a few funny bits so far but is actually crap. It’s an opportunity to fold up the basket of underwear with a bit of background noise.

I’ve been thinking about giving that a look. So you don’t recommend it?

I heard that it takes a couple of episodes seasons to get better, so I gave it a chance. In Season 3 or 4 there were a couple of good consecutive episodes and now at the end of Season 5, I feel I am wasting my life. Anyhow, back to the underwear folding as I am only half-way through the basket.

Fixed

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

I’m going to leave the computer and watch another episode of Schitt’s Creek, which has had a few funny bits so far but is actually crap. It’s an opportunity to fold up the basket of underwear with a bit of background noise.

I’ve been thinking about giving that a look. So you don’t recommend it?

I heard that it takes a couple of episodes to get better, so I gave it a chance. In Season 3 or 4 there were a couple of good consecutive episodes and now at the end of Season 5, I feel I am wasting my life. Anyhow, back to the underwear folding as I am only half-way through the basket.

Jaysus, that doesn’t sound promising.

Speedy said:

I feel I am wasting my life underwear folding.

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO is consoling herself with political goodness by watching the West Wing episode “The Stackhouse Filibuster”.

I’m going to leave the computer and watch another episode of Schitt’s Creek, which has had a few funny bits so far but is actually crap. It’s an opportunity to fold up the basket of underwear with a bit of background noise.

I’ve been thinking about giving that a look. So you don’t recommend it?

It’s like watching underwear dry.

Speedy said:

It’s an opportunity to fold up the basket of underwear with a bit of background noise.

I’m definitely a scruncher.

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

I’ve been thinking about giving that a look. So you don’t recommend it?

I heard that it takes a couple of episodes to get better, so I gave it a chance. In Season 3 or 4 there were a couple of good consecutive episodes and now at the end of Season 5, I feel I am wasting my life. Anyhow, back to the underwear folding as I am only half-way through the basket.

Jaysus, that doesn’t sound promising.

Although it does sound like an impressive amount of underwear.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/this-republican-died-of-coronavirus-back-in-october-voters-just-elected-him-anyway

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

I heard that it takes a couple of episodes to get better, so I gave it a chance. In Season 3 or 4 there were a couple of good consecutive episodes and now at the end of Season 5, I feel I am wasting my life. Anyhow, back to the underwear folding as I am only half-way through the basket.

Jaysus, that doesn’t sound promising.

Although it does sound like an impressive amount of underwear.

In this day and age you could set up a webcam and have people pay to watch you fold underwear.

Feeling a bit more confident now. 70% of absentee ballots in Michigan are Biden’s, and if that keeps up he’ll win.

Biden’s ahead now in Wisconsin and his lead continues to grow.

And Michigan and Wisconsin are enough, now.

But he might pick up some others…

In Penns, Biden has 78% of the absentee ballots counted so far. If that continues he’ll win, albeit narrowly. It will be close.

In Georgia, Trump is still in front but it has narrowed as the count continued, like zis:

So Biden might just fall over the line in Georgia.

Probably there aren’t enough votes left in North Carolina to get him over the line.

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

dv said:

Feeling a bit more confident now. 70% of absentee ballots in Michigan are Biden’s, and if that keeps up he’ll win.

Biden’s ahead now in Wisconsin and his lead continues to grow.

And Michigan and Wisconsin are enough, now.

But he might pick up some others…

In Penns, Biden has 78% of the absentee ballots counted so far. If that continues he’ll win, albeit narrowly. It will be close.

In Georgia, Trump is still in front but it has narrowed as the count continued, like zis:

So Biden might just fall over the line in Georgia.

Probably there aren’t enough votes left in North Carolina to get him over the line.

FAKE NEWS! STOP COUNTING, STOP TESTING! THESE NUMBERS ARE ONLY GOING UP BECAUSE THEY KEEP COUNTING!

All in all it doesn’t seem as though the polls were too bad.

As of now, only one state has been called opposite to fivethirtyeight’s prediction. Florida, which fivethirtyeight predicted Biden to win by 1.5%.

sarahs mum said:

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

It’s heartbreaking, but instructive. I suppose the biggest surprise is that our own confidence in Western progress was dependent on being unaware of the number of primitive idiots out there.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

It’s heartbreaking, but instructive. I suppose the biggest surprise is that our own confidence in Western progress was dependent on being unaware of the number of primitive idiots out there.

I’d like to think that someone like that couldn’t succeed in politics here

dv said:

All in all it doesn’t seem as though the polls were too bad.

As of now, only one state has been called opposite to fivethirtyeight’s prediction. Florida, which fivethirtyeight predicted Biden to win by 1.5%.

what the hell Florida?!!???

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

It’s heartbreaking, but instructive. I suppose the biggest surprise is that our own confidence in Western progress was dependent on being unaware of the number of primitive idiots out there.

I’d like to think that someone like that couldn’t succeed in politics here

Pauline.

Arts said:

dv said:

All in all it doesn’t seem as though the polls were too bad.

As of now, only one state has been called opposite to fivethirtyeight’s prediction. Florida, which fivethirtyeight predicted Biden to win by 1.5%.

what the hell Florida?!!???

Yeah fuck Florida, they are always up to something

sarahs mum said:

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

I read recently that someone said to Adlai Stephenson in the 1950s, “You have the vote of every decent, thinking American, Sir!”

He replied, “Thanks, but I need a majority.”

btm said:

sarahs mum said:

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

I read recently that someone said to Adlai Stephenson in the 1950s, “You have the vote of every decent, thinking American, Sir!”

He replied, “Thanks, but I need a majority.”

or at least one

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

All in all it doesn’t seem as though the polls were too bad.

As of now, only one state has been called opposite to fivethirtyeight’s prediction. Florida, which fivethirtyeight predicted Biden to win by 1.5%.

what the hell Florida?!!???

Yeah fuck Florida, they are always up to something

From a golf cart.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

It’s heartbreaking, but instructive. I suppose the biggest surprise is that our own confidence in Western progress was dependent on being unaware of the number of primitive idiots out there.

I’d like to think that someone like that couldn’t succeed in politics here

Well they do, on the fringes and in factions within the conservative parties. There are obviously enough Australians who think that clowns like Christensen, Latham, Hanson et al are worth voting for.

In the culture at large, the right-wing shock jocks and hacks still command much attention.

Murdoch still dominates the papers etc.

But yeah, we’re nowhere near as tragic as the US of A.

btm said:

sarahs mum said:

It still is amazing to me that so many people have voted for Trump.

I read recently that someone said to Adlai Stephenson in the 1950s, “You have the vote of every decent, thinking American, Sir!”

He replied, “Thanks, but I need a majority.”

Ah yes, South Park’s crowd scenes.

Arts said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s heartbreaking, but instructive. I suppose the biggest surprise is that our own confidence in Western progress was dependent on being unaware of the number of primitive idiots out there.

I’d like to think that someone like that couldn’t succeed in politics here

Pauline.

Deadset, I would not say that Hanson is as thoroughly flawed as Trump. She’s ignorant and bigoted, but she’s not as corrupt, vain or inarticulate. And it’s not as though she was ever the head of government or close to it.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

I’d like to think that someone like that couldn’t succeed in politics here

Pauline.

Deadset, I would not say that Hanson is as thoroughly flawed as Trump. She’s ignorant and bigoted, but she’s not as corrupt, vain or inarticulate. And it’s not as though she was ever the head of government or close to it.

Yes, it’s true that our worst politicians are rarely as obviously corrupt, unprincipled and psychologically fucked as Trump. And if they were, they wouldn’t get to lead the country.

Let’s hope so, anyway.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

All in all it doesn’t seem as though the polls were too bad.

As of now, only one state has been called opposite to fivethirtyeight’s prediction. Florida, which fivethirtyeight predicted Biden to win by 1.5%.

what the hell Florida?!!???

Yeah fuck Florida, they are always up to something

they used to be all toothless and committing crimes that involved alligators but they have really gone downhill in the last four years

Aaaand Biden sure enough has overtaken Trump in Michigan, and I think that’s only going to continue that way as more absentee ballots are counted.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Arts said:

Pauline.

Deadset, I would not say that Hanson is as thoroughly flawed as Trump. She’s ignorant and bigoted, but she’s not as corrupt, vain or inarticulate. And it’s not as though she was ever the head of government or close to it.

Yes, it’s true that our worst politicians are rarely as obviously corrupt, unprincipled and psychologically fucked as Trump. And if they were, they wouldn’t get to lead the country.

Let’s hope so, anyway.

OTOH Tony Abbott is unashamedly a Trump fan:

Trump ‘crude but effective’: Abbott

https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/trump-crude-but-effective-says-tony-abbott-in-wide-ranging-speech-20200122-p53tj4

This doesn’t mean that Abbott was as bad a leader as Trump. But it does mean he’s one of the primitive idiots who would vote for Trump and sadly, plenty of Australians voted for Abbott.

A report by the United States Institute of Peace said the fragmentation of Ethiopia “would be the largest state collapse in modern history, likely leading to mass interethnic and interreligious conflict … and a humanitarian and security crisis at the crossroads of Africa and the Middle East on a scale that would overshadow the existing conflicts in South Sudan, Sudan, Somalia and Yemen”.

Don’t worry there are a few more candidates, CHINA perhaps, or VIETNAM, yeah.

It appears Kanye did not reach 1% in any state, receiving something like 100000 votes nationwide.

Arts said:

dv said:

All in all it doesn’t seem as though the polls were too bad.

As of now, only one state has been called opposite to fivethirtyeight’s prediction. Florida, which fivethirtyeight predicted Biden to win by 1.5%.

what the hell Florida?!!???

The Cuban diaspora.

dv said:

Aaaand Biden sure enough has overtaken Trump in Michigan, and I think that’s only going to continue that way as more absentee ballots are counted.

cheaters

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Aaaand Biden sure enough has overtaken Trump in Michigan, and I think that’s only going to continue that way as more absentee ballots are counted.

cheaters

they never phosphor

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Aaaand Biden sure enough has overtaken Trump in Michigan, and I think that’s only going to continue that way as more absentee ballots are counted.

cheaters

they never phosphor

sorry we’re a bit slow tonight so don’t geddit

but yes so Trump was right again, knew he needed to stop the counting

Nov 04, 9:21 am
Rubio counters Trump’s stance on vote counting
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., took to Twitter Wednesday morning to apparently contradict Trump’s stance on counting votes.

“The result of the presidential race will be known after every legally cast vote has been counted,” Rubio tweeted.

Looks like Michigan and Wisconsin will both be within a margin of 1%, though, so there might well be a recount.

dv said:

Nov 04, 9:21 am
Rubio counters Trump’s stance on vote counting
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., took to Twitter Wednesday morning to apparently contradict Trump’s stance on counting votes.

“The result of the presidential race will be known after every legally cast vote has been counted,” Rubio tweeted.

Trump: We already know that stuff. Millions and millions of people voted for me. Who voted for Joe Biden? Nobody, maybe a few left-wing criminals, Mexicans, nasty women. Basically nobody. All this counting is FRAUD.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

I’d like to think that someone like that couldn’t succeed in politics here

Pauline.

Deadset, I would not say that Hanson is as thoroughly flawed as Trump. She’s ignorant and bigoted, but she’s not as corrupt, vain or inarticulate. And it’s not as though she was ever the head of government or close to it.

^
And Abbott was buffoon and incompetent. But he wasn’t all adderallish and pumping out Insane twitters in the middle of the night.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Nov 04, 9:21 am
Rubio counters Trump’s stance on vote counting
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., took to Twitter Wednesday morning to apparently contradict Trump’s stance on counting votes.

“The result of the presidential race will be known after every legally cast vote has been counted,” Rubio tweeted.

Trump: We already know that stuff. Millions and millions of people voted for me. Who voted for Joe Biden? Nobody, maybe a few left-wing criminals, Mexicans, nasty women. Basically nobody. All this counting is FRAUD.

And imagine 3 SCOTUS justices who owe their jobs to Trump ruling against him. It’s the deep state!!!

dv said:

How come you’re a complete dick?

dv said:

He’s more incoherent than usual.

I was hoping for a landslide for Biden, I hope he gets in. The high voting for Trump is disappointing indicating he has done a lot of damage..

Best Republican elected this year.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Best Republican elected this year.

The Republican Party has lurched towards populism and illiberalism
Its rhetoric now resembles that of Europe’s most extreme parties

ON NOVEMBER 3RD tens of millions of Americans will cast their ballots for the Republican Party. But they will not be voting for the party of Ronald Reagan, or even of George W. Bush. Breaking with his predecessors, President Donald Trump has steered America’s conservative party towards protectionism and xenophobia, while disregarding norms of political behaviour at home and abroad, and weakening liberal values and institutions. According to new research by the V-Dem Institute, a think-tank based at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, Republicans have become more populist and less liberal under Mr Trump’s leadership than at any time in recent history.

The Swedish research group created a database of 1,955 political parties from 169 countries, going back to 1970, and invited 665 academics and country experts to score them across a number of values. The V-Dem Institute then created two indices, based on the experts’ responses. The first index, populism, measures the extent to which a political party says it is against elites and favours majority rule over consensus. The second, illiberalism, evaluates parties based on several criteria, including how likely they are to launch personal attacks against their opponents, to what extent they support free speech and fair elections, how likely they are to violate the rights of minorities and whether or not they encourage violence against their political rivals.

In the late 20th century the Republican Party already looked a bit less liberal and more populist than most mainstream European parties. But according to the V-Dem Institute’s analysis, it only really started to deviate to “illiberalism” when it embraced religious values under Mr Bush after his election in 2000. The party then veered into populism in 2010 with the rise of the Tea Party movement, which vowed to curb what it saw as the unjustifiable expansion of the federal government under Barack Obama. However, the greatest shift, especially towards illiberalism, came with the election of Mr Trump.

According to the V-Dem Institute’s metrics, Mr Trump’s party is now more similar to Europe’s most right-wing parties, such as Law and Justice in Poland or Fidesz in Hungary, than to any mainstream political group in western Europe. The Democratic Party has also flirted with populism in recent years—but not nearly to the same extent as the Republicans.

Eric Trump claims his father has won Pennsylvania.

Unsurprisingly, this is incorrect.

Divine Angel said:

Eric Trump claims his father has won Pennsylvania.

Unsurprisingly, this is incorrect.

Still too early to call. Trump was saying that stuff last night. He can’t catch me in Pennsylvania.

Giuliani has fronted the media claiming voting irregularities.

US tv networks have called Michigan for Biden.

With the calling of Me-2, Michigan and Wisconsin, it looks like zis

And now basically any other state (other than Alaska) will be enough.

Right now, looking at what is left to be counted and how many D votes are likely to remain, it looks very good in Nevada, basically line-ball in Georgia. North Carolina would be a long shot from here.
Pennsylvania, the counting is progressing slowly.

Trump campaign files Michigan lawsuit demanding vote count be halted statewide

The Trump campaign has filed a lawsuit in Michigan state court demanding the vote count be halted statewide until representatives from the campaign are provided meaningful access to observe mail-in ballots being opened and processed.

Lawyers for the campaign say the secretary of state is violating the Michigan Constitution and Michigan election law by “allowing absent voter ballots to be processed and counted without bipartisan teams and without allowing challengers to observe the process.”

Michigan law provides that poll challengers can monitor officials’ administration of an election to assure that the election complies with Michigan’s Constitution and Election Code. 

Ryan Jarvi, press secretary for Attorney General Dana Nessel, responded:

“Michigan’s elections have been conducted transparently, with access provided for both political parties and the public, and using a robust system of checks and balances to ensure that all ballots are counted fairly and accurately.”

—-

Because of course he did.

More than 60 million Americans voted for this person.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Giuliani has fronted the media claiming voting irregularities.

I think he’s tucking his shirt in

To their credit, FoxNews are not giving Trump any rope wrt his efforts to either stop the vote or declare victory.

Without naming Trump, some Republicans have made statements about how important it is to count every vote, including Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnell, Chris Christie, Rob Portman, Mike Huckabee.

So do think there was shy Trumpers this selection DV or just normal polling error?

have truth, justice, and the american way won yet?

ChrispenEvan said:

have truth, justice, and the american way won yet?

Not on the ballot.

Witty Rejoinder said:

So do think there was shy Trumpers this selection DV or just normal polling error?

Even in most of the states that have been called, counting continues, so we don’t know the margins yet. So it’s too early to make that kind of assessment.
Reminder: so far only one state has been called contrary to the fivethirtyeight prediction, which was Florida, a state fivethirtyeight predicted to be won by Biden by 1.5%. They should be feeling pretty good about their prognostications this year.

ChrispenEvan said:

have truth, justice, and the american way won yet?

I think the American way has done well, if we assume that includes running weird elections

So, record numbers turned out to vote… For Trump that worked this way.

Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by roughly three million votes.

His approval rating remained historically low throughout his term, never rising above 49 per cent, according to Gallup.

Early counts suggest turnout among Trump supporters on election day increased by more than three million votes from 2016.

So there appears to be a fair bit of tension between the Fox News decision desk and their presenters…

I do have to hand it to the Fox News psephologists and statisticians: their polls have been very good and their election count analysis very tidy.

I suspect that the US state of democracy is on trial here and that even Rupert cannot beat that.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Giuliani has fronted the media claiming voting irregularities.

I think he’s tucking his shirt in

There’s a phrase we can use.

ChrispenEvan said:

have truth, justice, and the american way won yet?

Never yet.

Rudy Giuliani has suggested Biden voted 5000 times for himself.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

have truth, justice, and the american way won yet?

Never yet.

Problem is, they are still running around with butterfly nets pursuing happiness.

dv said:

“United” States.

dv said:

What these people are doing is a federal crime. They could, and probably should, be arrested for it.

U.S. Code Section 610. Coercion of political activity

It shall be unlawful for any person to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, any employee of the Federal Government as defined in section 7322(1) of title 5, United States Code, to engage in, or not to engage in, any political activity, including, but not limited to, voting or refusing to vote for any candidate or measure in any election, making or refusing to make any political contribution, or working or refusing to work on behalf of any candidate. Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Divine Angel said:

Rudy Giuliani has suggested Biden voted 5000 times for himself.

Yellow matter custard drippiing from a dead dog’s eye
Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess
Boy, you’ve been a naughty girl, you let your knickers down

https://www.wcax.com/2020/11/03/republican-gov-phil-scott-votes-for-democrat-joe-biden/

Republican governor Phil Scott says he voted for JB

Divine Angel said:

Lol

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

He’s more incoherent than usual.

As phobic as HE is about admitting mistakes;
The Whiney Lil’ Bitch is pissed because his BS is coming back to bite his fat ass.

He warned that Mail-In Ballots could be declared invalid
while INSTRUCTING his UnMasked Mob to Choose In-Person SAME-DAY Voting

Underestimating the # of CAREFUL Democrats who’d trust the time honored process
of One person, One Vote, Fair Counting, & ThePeaceful Transfer of Power

The Unexpected Consequences Being that THE Dump Initially SURGED
but he’s now “losing it” as the Millions of Democratic Mail-In votes pour in.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

What these people are doing is a federal crime. They could, and probably should, be arrested for it.

U.S. Code Section 610. Coercion of political activity

It shall be unlawful for any person to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, any employee of the Federal Government as defined in section 7322(1) of title 5, United States Code, to engage in, or not to engage in, any political activity, including, but not limited to, voting or refusing to vote for any candidate or measure in any election, making or refusing to make any political contribution, or working or refusing to work on behalf of any candidate. Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Oops, got that wrong.

It’s US Code Sect 115, which provides for penalties of up to 30 years prison for interfering with or intimidating Federal employees in their duties.

Stlll a crime, though.

ChrispenEvan said:

Yes. I thought so too.

dv said:

egggzacly

No need for foreign terror groups to waste effort on trying to disrupt the US. The Americans are doing a grand job of that.

I wonder what percentage of the election the Russians have interfered ?

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So do think there was shy Trumpers this selection DV or just normal polling error?

Even in most of the states that have been called, counting continues, so we don’t know the margins yet. So it’s too early to make that kind of assessment.
Reminder: so far only one state has been called contrary to the fivethirtyeight prediction, which was Florida, a state fivethirtyeight predicted to be won by Biden by 1.5%. They should be feeling pretty good about their prognostications this year.

Ta.

ChrispenEvan said:

Ooh, that’s dark humour.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder what percentage of the election the Russians have interfered ?

I think Facebook and Twitter have been pretty on the ball re. foreign interference. The misinformation in this election came largely from DJT’s mouth.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder what percentage of the election the Russians have interfered ?

Getting Rudy to feed ideas to Trump, about postal votes, distrust of the election system, and other bullshit orders to his faithful, about ‘ballot dumps’, ‘stop the count’, etc? Just that one action would have been sufficient.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-presidential-election-donald-trump-sues-pennsylvania-michigan/12850920

IIRC (and there’s zero guarantee I do), someone demanded a recount for Florida’s votes for GWB?

6 votes to reach 270

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-presidential-election-donald-trump-sues-pennsylvania-michigan/12850920

IIRC (and there’s zero guarantee I do), someone demanded a recount for Florida’s votes for GWB?

Big time. Many recounts and debate over which ballots were legitimate.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-presidential-election-donald-trump-sues-pennsylvania-michigan/12850920

IIRC (and there’s zero guarantee I do), someone demanded a recount for Florida’s votes for GWB?

Big time. Many recounts and debate over which ballots were legitimate.

But there is a big difference between having a recount for a close result and suing a state authority.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-presidential-election-donald-trump-sues-pennsylvania-michigan/12850920

IIRC (and there’s zero guarantee I do), someone demanded a recount for Florida’s votes for GWB?

Big time. Many recounts and debate over which ballots were legitimate.

But there is a big difference between having a recount for a close result and suing a state authority.

DT is going to try to clog up the legal system with his tantrum.

mops brow

Hows the senate going?

sarahs mum said:

Hows the senate going?

Might be 50/50.

Woodie said:

mops brow

I’m not counting any chickens just yet. There’s still some surprise eggs waiting.

Wanker

sarahs mum said:

Hows the senate going?

Disappointing. It will probably come down to runoff elections on Georgia.

If the Reps retain the senate, they’ll keep blocking everything.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Hows the senate going?

Disappointing. It will probably come down to runoff elections on Georgia.

If the Reps retain the senate, they’ll keep blocking everything.

damn.

dv said:

Just yeet the worthless fat turd into the sun and move on….

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Hows the senate going?

Disappointing. It will probably come down to runoff elections on Georgia.

If the Reps retain the senate, they’ll keep blocking everything.

damn.

Including, I assume, supreme court nominees.

It’s become obv that a LOT of people, some 5 to 8 million, voted for Republican in the Senate race and Biden in the Prez.

dv said:

It’s become obv that a LOT of people, some 5 to 8 million, voted for Republican in the Senate race and Biden in the Prez.

Not winning the senate might be a small price to pay to get rid of Trump. If the GOP are too obstructionist we’ll just have to wait until 2022.

I’m sure the GOP caucus would see the merit of more covid assistance and a national infrastructure program and it would be a bit rich if they suddenly get all fiscally conservative.

United States Risks Sanctions From Zimbabwe If Elections Are Not Free And Fair

Zimbabweans have warned President Donald Trump to respect the will of the people of United States in the election currently underway in that country. This comes as cases of voter intimidation and suppression have been on the rise in US.

https://www.pazimbabwe.com/world-news-66406-united-states-risks-sanctions-from-zimbabwe-if-elections-are-not-free-and-fair.html

fsm said:

United States Risks Sanctions From Zimbabwe If Elections Are Not Free And Fair

Zimbabweans have warned President Donald Trump to respect the will of the people of United States in the election currently underway in that country. This comes as cases of voter intimidation and suppression have been on the rise in US.

https://www.pazimbabwe.com/world-news-66406-united-states-risks-sanctions-from-zimbabwe-if-elections-are-not-free-and-fair.html

Bless them.

sarahs mum said:

fsm said:

United States Risks Sanctions From Zimbabwe If Elections Are Not Free And Fair

Zimbabweans have warned President Donald Trump to respect the will of the people of United States in the election currently underway in that country. This comes as cases of voter intimidation and suppression have been on the rise in US.

https://www.pazimbabwe.com/world-news-66406-united-states-risks-sanctions-from-zimbabwe-if-elections-are-not-free-and-fair.html

Bless them.

That’s funny in a sad way.

Divine Angel said:

chuckle

Mad to think that it’s only been 24 hours since polls closed. It seems like this saga has been going on for ages.

Polls and votes
Why the polls overestimated support for Joe Biden
They may have missed coy supporters of President Donald Trump

United States
Nov 4th 2020

ONCE ALL the votes are tallied, it will probably be Joe Biden who is sitting behind the Resolute Desk next year. Such a verdict might surprise readers who watched as Donald Trump took Florida in a surprising upset early on November 3rd, and then coasted to easy victories in Ohio and Iowa. But as early and absentee votes were counted the next day in the country’s northern battlegrounds—Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania—it became evident that Mr Trump would not have enough strength in rural areas to overcome Democratic support in the cities and suburbs.

On the morning of election day, The Economist’s election-forecasting model gave Joe Biden a 19-in-20 chance of winning an electoral-college majority. Over the course of November 4th Mr Biden amassed 253 electoral votes, according to Decision Desk HQ, our results provider—though Fox News and the Associated Press have also called Arizona and its 11 electoral votes for the former vice-president. All told, Mr Biden is leading Mr Trump in states that account for 270 electoral votes—the threshold required to win—and may pick up another 20 votes in Pennsylvania, where a mass of mail-in ballots in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are waiting to be counted. Our live election model, which accounts for returns in key states, puts his odds of victory at 97% if the call in Arizona is included, and 90% if it is not.

However, the president has done much better than the polls expected. Current returns indicate that Mr Biden will win the vote in Wisconsin by less than one percentage point, for example, even though polls before election day had him leading by roughly eight points. The model had similarly large misses in Ohio, Iowa and Florida. Mr Biden is still expected to win around 270, 290 or 306 electoral votes. That would be at the bottom end of the range of outcomes in our model, but still just about within the “fat” part of the distribution—the portion of outcomes that happen roughly one out of every three or four forecasts.

The reason for this is straightforward: once again polls have misfired, and only in one direction (no states showing a big polling lead for Mr Trump were in fact won by Mr Biden). The point of using models, as opposed to just polls, is to measure how robust a polling lead is to polling errors that are shared across states—what modellers call “correlated errors”. And contrary to the information that public polls could provide, The Economist’s model found that Mr Biden was ahead by so much in so many places that it was hard to envisage his losing in them all.

However some of the outstanding results could make our model look badly wrong. If Mr Trump comes back with a surprise win in Arizona or Nevada, and Mr Biden does not counter with a win in Pennsylvania or Georgia, then our model will have been way out. Our estimates of the range of possible magnitudes and of the correlations of errors between states would not have been large enough. And even if Mr Biden wins with only the narrowest of margins, that would be right at the edge of what we thought was plausible.

The Economist’s congressional election forecasts have fared worse. Mr Trump’s overperformance among Hispanic voters foiled our predictions in places like Texas’s 23rd district. One potential culprit is that the model relied heavily on fundraising data, which showed Democrats’ coffers filling faster than their opponents’, which did not seem to be nearly as good an indicator of success this year. And because of the miss in national polls, the model also overrated Democrats nearly everywhere else. Although the Democrats did hold the House, they may well fall below to the bottom end of our uncertainty interval for their total number of seats. The results of the Senate races are certainly within the confidence intervals for our models, but could also approach the very bottom.

These errors reflect an overall weakness of quantitative models. Our statisticians extrapolate historical patterns into the future and explore the possible errors in our assumptions. When we say that a given candidate has a 60% chance of winning, what we really mean is that 60% of past candidates in a similar position have gone on to win.

As for the polling errors themselves, we will not have a firm answer about what happened there for a few days. Pollsters will need time to crunch their numbers and work out their mistakes. One potential source of error is that fighting the last war is usually a mistake; polling errors do not usually follow the same patterns from year to year. But in this case, it seems that even though pollsters did try to correct their last mistakes, they failed, The polls over- and under-estimated Mr Biden and Hillary Clinton in the same states, and often by similar magnitudes.

For pollsters, one particularly worrying possibility is that their surveys did not accurately predict the share of working-class whites who supported Mr Trump. The Economist’s polling with YouGov suggested a shift towards Mr Biden among this group, and returns indicate that counties with higher concentrations of whites without degrees have actually swung further towards Mr Trump. Our polls generally contained a reasonable representation of that group. This suggests that the working-class whites who did respond to pollsters were less likely to support Mr Trump than those who did not respond—a problem that pollsters cannot fix simply by adjusting the weighting of this demographic group. Although there is no evidence that they lie to pollsters about whom they vote for, Mr Trump supporters may very well be too shy to talk to pollsters in the first place. If true, that will be a tough problem for the industry to solve.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/11/04/why-the-polls-overestimated-support-for-joe-biden?

sarahs mum said:

*peers over glasses

sarahs mum said:

Hows the senate going?

Brutus and Ceaser are about to begin Act 1.

sarahs mum said:

Looking good for Biden

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

Looking good for Biden

Yes but… it’s 2020 and everything is royally fucked this year.

sarahs mum said:

Bold

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

Looking good for Biden

Yes but… it’s 2020 and everything is royally fucked this year.

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

There’s going to be a big tranch of votes an hour from now in Georgia, which will be almost all of them. If Biden isn’t very nearly caught up after that, then he’s not going to win.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Looking good for Biden

Yes but… it’s 2020 and everything is royally fucked this year.

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Yes but… it’s 2020 and everything is royally fucked this year.

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

We have an ex PM like that.

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Yes but… it’s 2020 and everything is royally fucked this year.

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

He might go away to a nice little jail cell for a while. Who knows?

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Yes but… it’s 2020 and everything is royally fucked this year.

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

I’m sure that there will be another TV show of some kind, there will be his autobiography book written by another person of course, the merchandise, use of his name etc.

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

We have an ex PM like that.

Yes, the destructive loser just doesn’t get it.

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

We have an ex PM like that.

Yeah, but what can you do, it’s not like Rudd is going to shut up even if I ask him nicely.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

I’m sure that there will be another TV show of some kind, there will be his autobiography book written by another person of course, the merchandise, use of his name etc.

There was a guy on radio yesterday who sells souvenirs in Washington DC. He said Trump items were outselling Biden 20-1.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Looking good for Biden

Yes but… it’s 2020 and everything is royally fucked this year.

True, things could drastically change in the last moments and Trump may win, but if things go as hoped it will be great to see Biden win and we don’t have to see Trump or hearTrump’s voice any more. It will be a tremendous relief to a lot of people.

For people to be able to point at Trump, say ‘LOO-HOO-HOO-HOO-SER!’, and then laugh uproariously.

And for the rest of us to see how Trump takes that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

We have an ex PM like that.

Yes, the destructive loser just doesn’t get it.

The other worry is that the US had a Alzheimer’s affected Pres once before & it didn’t go well.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

We have an ex PM like that.

Yeah, but what can you do, it’s not like Rudd is going to shut up even if I ask him nicely.

I was thinking more of Tony but you do have a point,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/judge-calls-for-all-remaining-ballots-to-be-delivered-mail-usps/12850874

According to the Georgia secretary of state, there are now 122,535 absentee ballots left to be counted in Georgia, while Trump has just a 38,126-vote lead over Biden. At the rate Biden has been picking up votes, it’s very possible he’ll close that gap.

From 538.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

We have an ex PM like that.

Yeah, but what can you do, it’s not like Rudd is going to shut up even if I ask him nicely.

I was thinking more of Tony but you do have a point,

That’s What Murdoch Said

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Woodie said:

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

I’m sure that there will be another TV show of some kind, there will be his autobiography book written by another person of course, the merchandise, use of his name etc.

There was a guy on radio yesterday who sells souvenirs in Washington DC. He said Trump items were outselling Biden 20-1.

Yeah but it’s the USSA, they celebrate a representative just like them, takes the lead position by lying, cheating, stealing, treading on others, helped by others…

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

We have an ex PM like that.

Yeah, but what can you do, it’s not like Rudd is going to shut up even if I ask him nicely.

You could always start a petition to get him to shutup, Mr Beeny boy.

Woodie said:

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

We have an ex PM like that.

Yeah, but what can you do, it’s not like Rudd is going to shut up even if I ask him nicely.

You could always start a petition to get him to shutup, Mr Beeny boy.

And I imagine that it would be as successful as Rudd’s latest petition.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

We have an ex PM like that.

Yes, the destructive loser just doesn’t get it.

Krudd will start a petition against the likes of you.

Hurry up with the counting ya fat wobbly-arsed bastards!

Divine Angel said:

There was a guy on radio yesterday who sells souvenirs in Washington DC. He said Trump items were outselling Biden 20-1.

I call shenanigans, or he got his sales figures the wrong way round.

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

There was a guy on radio yesterday who sells souvenirs in Washington DC. He said Trump items were outselling Biden 20-1.

I call shenanigans, or he got his sales figures the wrong way round.

People were buying Trump collectibles because they were going to be rare?

Some democrats really should rush down to Arizona counting places and start chanting “stop the count”.

sibeen said:

Some democrats really should rush down to Arizona counting places and start chanting “stop the count”.

What could this bloke be up to, to provoke such opposition?

Are we there yet?

sibeen said:

Some democrats really should rush down to Arizona counting places and start chanting “stop the count”.

Oh, and I think demand a recount in Florida too.

;)

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Woodie said:

I don’t think Donald will go hide under a bush anytime soon. He will still sprout his opinion and it will be reported on by everyone. He ain’t gunna go away, you know.

I’m sure that there will be another TV show of some kind, there will be his autobiography book written by another person of course, the merchandise, use of his name etc.

There was a guy on radio yesterday who sells souvenirs in Washington DC. He said Trump items were outselling Biden 20-1.

Ogmog said:

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’m sure that there will be another TV show of some kind, there will be his autobiography book written by another person of course, the merchandise, use of his name etc.

There was a guy on radio yesterday who sells souvenirs in Washington DC. He said Trump items were outselling Biden 20-1.

What to get a rich narcissistic arsehole for Christmas when he’s already got everything.

The gap in Georgia is down to 0.6%.

dv said:

The gap in Georgia is down to 0.6%.

They seem to have been very successful at getting out the black vote there.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

The gap in Georgia is down to 0.6%.

They seem to have been very successful at getting out the black vote there.

Biden needs to win 64 percent of the outstanding vote to overtake Trump.

dv said:

The gap in Georgia is down to 0.6%.

Just saw that as I walked past the TV. Someone will be getting very tetchy.

Arizona, Montana, New Jersey, and South Dakota all approved legalised recreational marijuana, DC and Oregon have legalised magic mushrooms.

I don’t understand why the Republicans file for lawsuits to contest rather than asking for recounts. I think we do a recount here first don’t we?

buffy said:

I don’t understand why the Republicans file for lawsuits to contest rather than asking for recounts. I think we do a recount here first don’t we?

One NSW election they did about 4 recounts in one electorate. A candidate finally won by something like 7 votes.

buffy said:

I don’t understand why the Republicans file for lawsuits to contest rather than asking for recounts. I think we do a recount here first don’t we?

Yes when I have worked at elections they have scrutineers from both major parties there for the count, the chances of it being wrong are pretty small and they recheck at the electoral commission anyway

Say it louder for the people in the back!!

buffy said:

dv said:

The gap in Georgia is down to 0.6%.

Just saw that as I walked past the TV. Someone will be getting very tetchy.

It’s only 0.6% gap in Nevada, too.

Voters around the U.S. approve police reform measures

Voters in at least six states overwhelmingly approved police reform measures on Election Day, reflecting a growing demand for greater law enforcement accountability after the death of George Floyd, a Black man who died in Minneapolis police custody.

Creating and strengthening police oversight boards, changing department staffing and funding levels and allowing greater public access to body and dashboard camera recordings were among the measures approved by voters around the country.

Many of the reforms run along the lines of laws already passed in localities in other states, such as Massachusetts and New York, in response to widespread protests over racial injustice and police violence nationwide.

Voters in nearly a dozen cities and counties in California, Texas, Oregon and Ohio approved creating, overhauling or strengthening police oversight boards.

In Portland, Oregon, where police protests have been ongoing since Floyd’s death in May, over 80 percent of voters passed Measure 26-217, which amends the city’s charter to create a police oversight committee that would have the power to investigate the use of deadly force and allegations of misconduct by officers. The committee would also have power to discipline officers for wrongdoing.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Say it louder for the people in the back!!

Some wanted a moral victory, but they never got it, instead they got a nightmare.

Trump Campaign

Everyone else looking for Pennsylvania and Nevada

Hundreds of businesses in cities across the US boarded up their doors and windows ahead of the election, fearing the vote could lead to the sort of violence that broke out after Floyd’s death.

“Some people would like to cause mayhem and trouble,” Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser said earlier in the day. She said she had never seen so many businesses being boarded up: “That all saddens me.”

—

apologies if this has already been asked but

see this preventative action as described above

¿ how much damage to the Economy Must Grow are we prepared to accept for Election Lockdowns In The Name Of American Democracy ?

Joe Hockey and George Christensen back unfounded ‘fraud’ claims about Biden comeback

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/05/joe-hockey-and-george-christensen-back-unfounded-claims-about-biden-comeback

ChrispenEvan said:

I mean it is going to be more like 9 million votes…

dv said:

Joe Hockey and George Christensen back unfounded ‘fraud’ claims about Biden comeback

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/05/joe-hockey-and-george-christensen-back-unfounded-claims-about-biden-comeback

Jolly Hockey Sticks and the Member for Manila.

With people like that on your side, you’ve gotta be a winner.

ChrispenEvan said:

The compulsory wearing of masks has certainly turned things around in Europe.

dv said:

Joe Hockey and George Christensen back unfounded ‘fraud’ claims about Biden comeback

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/05/joe-hockey-and-george-christensen-back-unfounded-claims-about-biden-comeback

The Guardian is nothing more than a vehicle for the dispersment of socialism.
As A. J. Brimstone said in his inaugural address “Socialism is a disguised Communist grooming tool”

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Joe Hockey and George Christensen back unfounded ‘fraud’ claims about Biden comeback

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/05/joe-hockey-and-george-christensen-back-unfounded-claims-about-biden-comeback

The Guardian is nothing more than a vehicle for the dispersment of socialism.
As A. J. Brimstone said in his inaugural address “Socialism is a disguised Communist grooming tool”

Is Capitalism Fascism with less shouty leaders

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Joe Hockey and George Christensen back unfounded ‘fraud’ claims about Biden comeback

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/05/joe-hockey-and-george-christensen-back-unfounded-claims-about-biden-comeback

The Guardian is nothing more than a vehicle for the dispersment of socialism.
As A. J. Brimstone said in his inaugural address “Socialism is a disguised Communist grooming tool”

Is Capitalism Fascism with less shouty leaders

no it’s a way of getting people to pay for it

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Guardian is nothing more than a vehicle for the dispersment of socialism.
As A. J. Brimstone said in his inaugural address “Socialism is a disguised Communist grooming tool”

Is Capitalism Fascism with less shouty leaders

no it’s a way of getting people to pay for it

The USA borders on fascism at times, turn over the top patriotism into might is right and force it on everyone.
You nation becomes less significant but still immensely powerful militarily and you decide to flex that power.
Unlikely but not beyond imagination

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Guardian is nothing more than a vehicle for the dispersment of socialism.
As A. J. Brimstone said in his inaugural address “Socialism is a disguised Communist grooming tool”

Is Capitalism Fascism with less shouty leaders

no it’s a way of getting people to pay for it

Well, as we all know, under Communism, man exploits man – but under Capitalism it’s the other way around

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Joe Hockey and George Christensen back unfounded ‘fraud’ claims about Biden comeback

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/05/joe-hockey-and-george-christensen-back-unfounded-claims-about-biden-comeback

The Guardian is nothing more than a vehicle for the dispersment of socialism.
As A. J. Brimstone said in his inaugural address “Socialism is a disguised Communist grooming tool”

Is Capitalism Fascism with less shouty leaders

Capital Humanism has led millions out of the shackles of poverty and privation to a sunlit upland of prosperity for all, nothing speaks to this more than to walk in the wilderness and see on every ridge and mountain the glorious sight of wind turbines stretching in every direction across this vast land, it heralds the triumph of science over nature, the triumph of humanity over the once cruel environment.

Neophyte said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Is Capitalism Fascism with less shouty leaders

no it’s a way of getting people to pay for it

Well, as we all know, under Communism, man exploits man – but under Capitalism it’s the other way around

Pretty much isn’t it and all system employ fascist type tactics

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Guardian is nothing more than a vehicle for the dispersment of socialism.
As A. J. Brimstone said in his inaugural address “Socialism is a disguised Communist grooming tool”

Is Capitalism Fascism with less shouty leaders

Capital Humanism has led millions out of the shackles of poverty and privation to a sunlit upland of prosperity for all, nothing speaks to this more than to walk in the wilderness and see on every ridge and mountain the glorious sight of wind turbines stretching in every direction across this vast land, it heralds the triumph of science over nature, the triumph of humanity over the once cruel environment.

I don’t have a problem with technology but it could be used a lot less aggressively and carelessly, humanity could put a lot more effort into using it more wisely

dv said:

Imitation is the highest form of flattery they say

Looking at the numbers Politico is showing, Trump CANNOT win unless he wins in Nevada.

Without that, he comes up short of the 270 EC votes needed.

Biden has only to win in Nevada, and he’s got his 270.

Alternatively, or perhaps additionally, if Biden can win in Georgia, then he’s bolted home.

Of course, the Electoral College could still throw the whole thing into a Trump win, if the electors have a mind to do it.

captain_spalding said:

Looking at the numbers Politico is showing, Trump CANNOT win unless he wins in Nevada.

Without that, he comes up short of the 270 EC votes needed.

Biden has only to win in Nevada, and he’s got his 270.

Alternatively, or perhaps additionally, if Biden can win in Georgia, then he’s bolted home.

Of course, the Electoral College could still throw the whole thing into a Trump win, if the electors have a mind to do it.

It would be interesting if the voting could be broken down by job, wonder how many healthcare workers voted for Trump or families of those that died of Covid

Peak 2020
An electoral vote draw had been considered an unlikely outcome, but it’s certainly possible as things stand right now. If Trump and Biden each get 269 electoral college votes — one shy of the required 270 to win — the winner would be decided by Congress in something called a ‘contingent election’.

In that scenario, the House of Representatives would vote to decide the president, with each state getting only one vote and therefore each candidate needing 26 votes to win. Each of these votes generally favour the candidate who won the popular vote in that state. The Senate would hold a vote to decide the vice-president, with each senator getting a vote.

So Emily, I hear y’all asking, what if the house votes for one candidate and the senate votes for another? What if we ended up with a Trump-Harris or Biden-Pence combo? The answer is that it could happen and, if it did, we’d have to assume the pair would somehow find a way to work together.

From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-election-live-updates-donald-trump-joe-biden-president/12849692

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

Only in the senate or the house. There were Greens and Libertarian candidates in the POTUS election. And Kanye.

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

There is generally no such thing with first past the post voting systems.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

Only in the senate or the house. There were Greens and Libertarian candidates in the POTUS election. And Kanye.

Kanye’s platform was “nothing wrong with a gay fish”

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

There is generally no such thing with first past the post voting systems.

Ah, I get it now.

Divine Angel said:

Peak 2020
An electoral vote draw had been considered an unlikely outcome, but it’s certainly possible as things stand right now. If Trump and Biden each get 269 electoral college votes — one shy of the required 270 to win — the winner would be decided by Congress in something called a ‘contingent election’.

In that scenario, the House of Representatives would vote to decide the president, with each state getting only one vote and therefore each candidate needing 26 votes to win. Each of these votes generally favour the candidate who won the popular vote in that state. The Senate would hold a vote to decide the vice-president, with each senator getting a vote.

So Emily, I hear y’all asking, what if the house votes for one candidate and the senate votes for another? What if we ended up with a Trump-Harris or Biden-Pence combo? The answer is that it could happen and, if it did, we’d have to assume the pair would somehow find a way to work together.

From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-election-live-updates-donald-trump-joe-biden-president/12849692

Looking unlikely now.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

There is generally no such thing with first past the post voting systems.

There was the Kanye West Party., Mr Fumble. Go check out how many votes Mr West got.

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

Only in the senate or the house. There were Greens and Libertarian candidates in the POTUS election. And Kanye.

Kanye’s platform was “nothing wrong with a gay fish”

See? Mr West is quite famous.

dv said:

Bully for him.

dv said:

aaaaawww….. Just didn’t quite get there. Better luck net time.

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Only in the senate or the house. There were Greens and Libertarian candidates in the POTUS election. And Kanye.

Kanye’s platform was “nothing wrong with a gay fish”

See? Mr West is quite famous.

I’ve never paid him much heed but Southpark have forever spoilt me ever taking him seriously because of how his is portrayed

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

You are not right. The Libertarian presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen, who looks like getting about a million votes. The Greens candidate is Howie Hawkins: looks as though the Greens vote has collapsed compared to 2016. There are also smaller parties that might get like 0.1% of the vote.

And of course there are various independent presidential candidates such as Kanye West, Jade Simmons and so on.

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

You are not right. The Libertarian presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen, who looks like getting about a million votes. The Greens candidate is Howie Hawkins: looks as though the Greens vote has collapsed compared to 2016. There are also smaller parties that might get like 0.1% of the vote.

And of course there are various independent presidential candidates such as Kanye West, Jade Simmons ……..and Spike Milligan.

:-)

Yesterday I posted some Twitter bots replying to Trump about leaving their brand new Kias to move to Alaska. Today we have more bots, this time telling Biden they’re moving to England.

Protests grow outside Maricopa Election Center
A protest outside of the Maricopa County Election Center grew larger and louder late Wednesday, ahead of an expected release of new vote results in the close Arizona presidential and senate races.

Approximately 300 people were gathered outside the center, carrying flags and signs and chanting that the vote had been stolen from Trump.

Some vote center workers and members of the media were escorted to their vehicles for their safety, officials said.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Am I right in thinking that there are no minor parties this year?

Could a minor party be formed that held the balance of power in a future election?

You are not right. The Libertarian presidential nominee is Jo Jorgensen, who looks like getting about a million votes. The Greens candidate is Howie Hawkins: looks as though the Greens vote has collapsed compared to 2016. There are also smaller parties that might get like 0.1% of the vote.

And of course there are various independent presidential candidates such as Kanye West, Jade Simmons ……..and Spike Milligan.

:-)

See! I do get the important references. That is just the funniest thing!

dv said:

Protests grow outside Maricopa Election Center
A protest outside of the Maricopa County Election Center grew larger and louder late Wednesday, ahead of an expected release of new vote results in the close Arizona presidential and senate races.

Approximately 300 people were gathered outside the center, carrying flags and signs and chanting that the vote had been stolen from Trump.

Some vote center workers and members of the media were escorted to their vehicles for their safety, officials said.

It staggers me that they want all the votes counted in some places, but want to stop the counting in others. How can they not see the problem with that “logic”.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=19
Trump supporters outside the polling centre in Maraicopa county in Arizona chant “Fox News sucks”

Ironic that Trump supporters want the votes counted in Arizona but elsewhere not so much.

dv said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=19
Trump supporters outside the polling centre in Maraicopa county in Arizona chant “Fox News sucks”

First they came for Fox news and I did nothing.

dv said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=19
Trump supporters outside the polling centre in Maraicopa county in Arizona chant “Fox News sucks”

First they came for Fox news and I did nothing.

dv said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=19
Trump supporters outside the polling centre in Maraicopa county in Arizona chant “Fox News sucks”

Okay.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=19
Trump supporters outside the polling centre in Maraicopa county in Arizona chant “Fox News sucks”

First they came for Fox news and I did nothing.

^ :)

I wanna start a chant, “Sky News sucks!”

party_pants said:

dv said:

Bully for him.

He could be the Screaming Lord Sutch of the 21st century.

Trump Jr considering running for Pres in 2024.

Divine Angel said:

Trump Jr considering running for Pres in 2024.

There’s not enough cocaine in Columbia for that.

dv said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=19
Trump supporters outside the polling centre in Maraicopa county in Arizona chant “Fox News sucks”

why, what does the fox say?

It has tightened up in Arizona.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1324194510046289920?s=19
Trump supporters outside the polling centre in Maraicopa county in Arizona chant “Fox News sucks”

First they came for Fox news and I did nothing.

^ :)

Nah nah nah nah…… It’s “First they came for Fox news, then I heard nothing”

sibeen said:

It has tightened up in Arizona.

stop the count

sibeen said:

It has tightened up in Arizona.

Apparently the Fox analyst that first called Arizona is a bit of a wunderkind. Never wrong they say. He may get his comeuppance.

I DONT WANNA GO

Fetch your tin helmet: Trump has set in motion a fateful chain of events

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
November 5, 2020 — 3.00pm

Donald Trump has denied his likely successor the consecrating ritual of concession. America’s mechanism for handing over power has broken down, and there is no constitutional procedure for removing a president who refuses to accept defeat (if that is what occurs when the final votes are tallied).

The Founding Fathers assumed that incumbents would behave with honour, though Thomas Jefferson always feared that a new Caesar might one day overstay his welcome – with Hamilton immediately in mind.

President Trump’s late-night declaration of victory before he had earned it was an act of political sacrilege. It was also ruthlessly focused, the opening move of a scorched-earth strategy long-prepared by his inner circle should he be at risk of losing the vote.

Donald Trump has claimed he has had a ‘phenomenal’ result as votes continue to be counted across the US.

His allegation of a giant “fraud on the American people” was not an off-the-cuff remark in the heat of the moment. Leaked tapes from his Election Day Operations team leave no doubt that this gambit was pre-planned, a calculated move to discredit what he knew would be a late surge of Democrat votes as postal ballots are counted.

This “blue shift” syndrome has become a pattern of US elections, and vastly more so this year after 100 million people voted by mail or in advance.

Mr Trump has striven for weeks to taint postal votes and to impugn the credibility of the US electoral system – breathtaking chutzpah given that he controls the US Justice Department, and that Republicans dominate the executive machinery of swing states.

He urged his supporters to vote only in person, aiming to create an even greater cleavage between the party colouring of the two sets of ballots. This has been his strategy ever since Joe Biden pulled ahead in the polls.

It led to the spectacle that we have all just witnessed: an early Trump lead in several states evaporating later. It is an invitation to conspiracy theories, all assiduously amplified on social media, with militia waiting in the wings.

The situation is dangerous and has nothing in common with Al Gore’s demand for a Florida recount 20 years ago. Mr Trump has lost both the popular vote and the electoral college vote, yet he is pulling out all the stops to subvert the result.

A machinery for legal guerrilla warfare has been set in motion across the battleground states and will now cause weeks of havoc. Have markets understood the gravity of what is unfolding?

The autocrats will surely relish the spectacle of a US president behaving as they do. It is the ultimate propaganda coup.

America’s succession process relies on the virtues of Cincinnatus. “Our Constitution does not secure the peaceful transition of power, but rather presupposes it,” says Amherst law professor Lawrence Douglas.

He says there are inherent design flaws in the architecture of the Twelfth Amendment and in the Electoral Count Act of 1887 that make easy prey for an abusive president.

States are not obliged to follow the outcome of the popular election when they allocate their vote in the electoral college. If doubts can be sown about the validity of the election – or if enough street disorder can be rustled up – the state legislatures may appoint anybody they want.

As it happens, these bodies are mostly controlled by the Republicans in swing states. So what will Mr Trump’s allies in the Pennsylvania General Assembly do if the Democrats win a narrow victory (I write before knowing the outcome) given that he already alleges a stolen election? At what point do they tell their party leader that enough is enough?

It comes down to whether courts are willing to strike down votes because the ballots arrived late – though posted in time – or had a slightly smudged postmark, and whether the Republican 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court will validate such suppression. I doubt that they will, but upon this may now hang the fate of the republic.

At the least, Washington faces weeks of paralysis and legal fights until the “safe harbour” deadline for the electoral college votes on December 8, and before the new Congress validates the presidential count on January 6. This chaos will happen in the middle of an escalating pandemic.

Nothing like it has been seen since the four-month Interregnum in 1932, the Winter War, when Herbert Hoover denounced Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal as a “march on Moscow” and sought to sabotage his reflation policy in advance by tightening the Gold Standard.

Confidence in the banking system collapsed. It was the closest that America came to political breakdown during the Great Depression. It was also the moment when Japan invaded China, and Hitler took Berlin.

What might Xi Jinping do to Taiwan while Donald Trump is in his bunker? The autocrats will surely relish the spectacle of a US president behaving as they do. It is the ultimate propaganda coup. Whatever happens over the coming weeks, the Blue Wave has sputtered out. The Democrats have failed to capture the Senate. They may even have lost seats in the House. Their mandate for a radical Leftward turn has evaporated.

It has long been an article of faith among Democrats that “demographics are destiny”, and that the party’s ethnic and sectarian coalition must eventually prevail by force of numbers. But this election has been a wake-up call. There has been revulsion against identity politics and corrosive segmentation, and above all against the “cancel culture” of Antifa statue-smashers.

RIP Bidenomics
The Democrats lost ground to Latinos in Florida and South Texas, despite the “Wall”. This may shock some but it should be no surprise given the business ethic of Latino immigrants, and their Catholicism, and their family ties to countries with Trumpian caudillo traditions.
Markets must now confront Washington gridlock and diminished fiscal stimulus, already reflected in the plummeting yields on 10-year Treasuries, but not so far on Wall Street.

For a brief moment Bidenomics had us all in thrall. It looked as if there might be a $US7.9 trillion ($11 trillion) Keynesian blitz to “run the economy hot”. The strategy was consciously modelled on Roosevelt’s wartime expansion from 1941-1945. It aimed to leapfrog supply-side constraints and achieve a virtuous circle of productivity growth, this time relying on the war against carbon as the catalyst instead of military-industrial mobilisation against fascism.

Joe Biden will not be able to push these vaulting plans through Congress even if he does make it into the White House. The green deal is largely stillborn. His front-loaded $US1.7 trillion Gosplan for 500 million solar panels, 60,000 wind turbines, and the like, will be torn to pieces by the Senate.

The equity markets had come to salivate over the exorbitant sums. Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Moody’s all concluded that Bidenomics would turbocharge economic growth. They will now have to settle for thinner gruel.

The planned $U2 trillion of pandemic aid to cover furloughs and insolvent states is for the birds. It is not clear what skinny version will emerge from a lame-duck Congress in this political climate. Don’t expect it soon.

All told, the markets face a harsher economic winter. The V-shaped rebound has faded. Investors must instead navigate the second dip of an enveloping “W” without much help from Washington.

Nor is it obvious that a Democratic White House eager to regulate and a Republican Senate less inclined to spend will do much for the animal dynamism of American capitalism. Bet on bipartisan comity and a business boom if you wish. I am fetching my tin helmet.

The Daily Telegraph, London

https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/fetch-your-tin-helmet-trump-has-set-in-motion-a-fateful-chain-of-events-20201105-p56bon.html

Charmaine McGuffey is going to be the new sheriff for Hamilton County, Ohio.

She defeated Bruce Hoffbauer, her Republican opponent, in the general election with 52% of the vote.

McGuffey made headlines when she announced her decision to run for sheriff. She was challenging her former boss, Jim Neil, in the Democratic primary. Neil had fired her, McGuffey alleged, because she’s an out lesbian.

McGuffey easily defeated him with approximately 70% of the vote, getting sweet revenge.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/11/sheriff-fired-shes-lesbian-ran-shell-new-sheriff-now/

sarahs mum said:

Charmaine McGuffey is going to be the new sheriff for Hamilton County, Ohio.

She defeated Bruce Hoffbauer, her Republican opponent, in the general election with 52% of the vote.

McGuffey made headlines when she announced her decision to run for sheriff. She was challenging her former boss, Jim Neil, in the Democratic primary. Neil had fired her, McGuffey alleged, because she’s an out lesbian.

McGuffey easily defeated him with approximately 70% of the vote, getting sweet revenge.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/11/sheriff-fired-shes-lesbian-ran-shell-new-sheriff-now/

:)

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Charmaine McGuffey is going to be the new sheriff for Hamilton County, Ohio.

She defeated Bruce Hoffbauer, her Republican opponent, in the general election with 52% of the vote.

McGuffey made headlines when she announced her decision to run for sheriff. She was challenging her former boss, Jim Neil, in the Democratic primary. Neil had fired her, McGuffey alleged, because she’s an out lesbian.

McGuffey easily defeated him with approximately 70% of the vote, getting sweet revenge.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/11/sheriff-fired-shes-lesbian-ran-shell-new-sheriff-now/

:)

links then

Trump also made surprising inroads among black male voters, some of whom were plainly unperturbed by Trump’s support for white supremacists.

The motivating factor for Trump voters in general was ending pandemic-related restrictions. More than three-quarters of Trump supporters said getting the economy back on track was more important than trying to contain the virus (aka not killing people). While the vote is still being tallied, the polls indicate just how deeply divided the country remains and the challenge that Biden will face if he is finally able to declare victory.

Witty Rejoinder said:

:)

ChrispenEvan said:

deepfaked

What’s the bet Trump will personally fund a memorial to himself a la Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Memorials?

Divine Angel said:

What’s the bet Trump will personally fund a memorial to himself a la Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Memorials?

No bet, he won’t.

Divine Angel said:

What’s the bet Trump will personally fund a memorial to himself a la Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Memorials?

I honestly believe he will spend the rest of his life in court. The only thing holding back a tsunami of personal legal problems was his position in government.

ChrispenEvan said:

A typical case of Chinese whispers.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

A typical case of Chinese whispers.

I think it’s called “The telephone game” these days, so as not to offend the CCP.

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

No need to swear like that, it isn’t really grown-up or clever.

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

THE LAWYERS!!!!

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

At this point we’re down to whether Trump could possibly win, and the answer is no.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

At this point we’re down to whether Trump could possibly win, and the answer is no.

True?

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

I’m having a decaf, perhaps with a bit of plain cheddar.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

SO HAS ANYONE FUCKING WON YET?

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

I’m very much enjoying a Leasingham Jam Shed Shiraz, on sale at IGA at 2/$24 (usually $28ea) and wondering why people don’t make a simple screw-on valve that allows you to fill wine bottles with Nitrogen (from an N bulb) rather than having to knockl off the bottle, or let it oxidise.

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

At this point we’re down to whether Trump could possibly win, and the answer is no.

True?

No, although his chance of re-election is very slim.

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

At this point we’re down to whether Trump could possibly win, and the answer is no.

True?

An hour ago the ABC were saying:

Biden has the edge, but Trump still has a path to victory

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-05/us-election-trump-biden-results-map-explained/12853338

I didn’t bother reading it ‘cos I’m sick of all this stuff.

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

At this point we’re down to whether Trump could possibly win, and the answer is no.

True?

I believe the betting agencies have already paid out on Biden.

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

I’m very much enjoying a Leasingham Jam Shed Shiraz, on sale at IGA at 2/$24 (usually $28ea) and wondering why people don’t make a simple screw-on valve that allows you to fill wine bottles with Nitrogen (from an N bulb) rather than having to knockl off the bottle, or let it oxidise.

I’ve had a couple bottles of Jam Shed shiraz recently at $7 a bottle, clearance sale at our BWS.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

At this point we’re down to whether Trump could possibly win, and the answer is no.

True?

No, although his chance of re-election is very slim.

Good to hear but I won’t be toasting Biden until the large lady sings.

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

I’m very much enjoying a Leasingham Jam Shed Shiraz, on sale at IGA at 2/$24 (usually $28ea) and wondering why people don’t make a simple screw-on valve that allows you to fill wine bottles with Nitrogen (from an N bulb) rather than having to knockl off the bottle, or let it oxidise.

I’ve had a couple bottles of Jam Shed shiraz recently at $7 a bottle, clearance sale at our BWS.

$7 !!

Full disclosure, my second-best mate was the national sales manager for Accolade wines (who own Leasingham) and I’m bloody disappointment he didn’t tell me about that!

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

At this point we’re down to whether Trump could possibly win, and the answer is no.

True?

No, although his chance of re-election is very slim.

I’m working from this thing:

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

A typical case of Chinese whispers.

Taiwan Tony want to know “Are Chinese whispers racist?”

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

No. Go and have a nice decaf.

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

I’m having a decaf, perhaps with a bit of plain cheddar.

I have a bag of Twisties, and I’ve made a little opening in the other end of the bag.

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

I’m having a decaf, perhaps with a bit of plain cheddar.

I have a bag of Twisties, and I’ve made a little opening in the other end of the bag.

Feelthy bastard.

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Actually I’m enjoying a lively pinot grigio with a few slices of vintage cheddar, while re-watching The Closed Cabinet, an episode of Karloff’s Thriller from 1961.

I’m having a decaf, perhaps with a bit of plain cheddar.

I have a bag of Twisties, and I’ve made a little opening in the other end of the bag.

If your mother knew what you were doing, she’d probably hang her head and cry.

sibeen said:

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

I’m having a decaf, perhaps with a bit of plain cheddar.

I have a bag of Twisties, and I’ve made a little opening in the other end of the bag.

Feelthy bastard.

Tis interval in the big screen moofie, Mr Beeny boy. Not through choice but. ‘Uckin’ blackouts!

So what else is there to do but muncny munchy twisties, when the shorts are such a drag.

Rule 303 said:

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

I’m having a decaf, perhaps with a bit of plain cheddar.

I have a bag of Twisties, and I’ve made a little opening in the other end of the bag.

If your mother knew what you were doing, she’d probably hang her head and cry.

Damn, how did I miss that.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Woodie said:

I have a bag of Twisties, and I’ve made a little opening in the other end of the bag.

If your mother knew what you were doing, she’d probably hang her head and cry.

Damn, how did I miss that.

Time wounds all heels.

dv said:

True enough.