Enabling Act of 1933

Part of HIS pathology is believing ‘If it’s Done In Plain Sight It’s LEGAL’.
Thus we stand warned; “When the looting starts the shooting starts.”

‘No Specific Threat’ to NYC on Election Day, But ‘We’re Prepared for Anything’

“Armed Police Presence”?
(……….in the name of “LAW & ORDER” …of course…)

umm… isn’t Trump Tower right down the street?

Since he got away with using the Army for A Photo-Op, what can we expect when
HE claims to be PROTECTING LIFE AND PROPERTY? (Particularly HIS OWN?)

This does appear to be part of his defence. He engages in witness tampering via twitter. How can it be illegal when it’s public?

Those women all look like slight variations on a standard model

Trump “I need the standard Karen model with slight facial differences for my rally”

dv said:

This does appear to be part of his defence. He engages in witness tampering via twitter. How can it be illegal when it’s public?

It is classic Cohn/Trump strategy. Did you read the link I posted?

Now, if Trump starts talking about the armed services swearing an oath of allegiance to the Commander-in-chief rather than to the Constitution…

captain_spalding said:

Now, if Trump starts talking about the armed services swearing an oath of allegiance to the Commander-in-chief rather than to the Constitution…

and signs on those flag waving ute driving gun waving suth’ners as posse members.

captain_spalding said:

Now, if Trump starts talking about the armed services swearing an oath of allegiance to the Commander-in-chief rather than to the Constitution…

If that happens he’ll quickly be told to fuck off.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Now, if Trump starts talking about the armed services swearing an oath of allegiance to the Commander-in-chief rather than to the Constitution…

and signs on those flag waving ute driving gun waving suth’ners as posse members.

If it all went to shit and the military were called in I wonder how that would go when their armed forces have quite a number of minority personnel

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Now, if Trump starts talking about the armed services swearing an oath of allegiance to the Commander-in-chief rather than to the Constitution…

If that happens he’ll quickly be told to fuck off.

I take nothing as a certainty for today’s U.S.

if you want that, just internalize the idea everything is political, everything gets magically shifted to the right but appears more liberating

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Now, if Trump starts talking about the armed services swearing an oath of allegiance to the Commander-in-chief rather than to the Constitution…

and signs on those flag waving ute driving gun waving suth’ners as posse members.

If it all went to shit and the military were called in I wonder how that would go when their armed forces have quite a number of minority personnel

I think if Trump tried to use the military against US citizens the GOP leadership will have cabinet removed from office. It’s the private militias that are troublesome. The Boogaloo boys actually want a civil war.

I tell you if i were a yank in a state with open carry i’d take a gun to any protests.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

and signs on those flag waving ute driving gun waving suth’ners as posse members.

If it all went to shit and the military were called in I wonder how that would go when their armed forces have quite a number of minority personnel

I think if Trump tried to use the military against US citizens the GOP leadership will have cabinet removed from office. It’s the private militias that are troublesome. The Boogaloo boys actually want a civil war.

I tell you if i were a yank in a state with open carry i’d take a gun to any protests.

‘will have cabinet remove him’

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

and signs on those flag waving ute driving gun waving suth’ners as posse members.

If it all went to shit and the military were called in I wonder how that would go when their armed forces have quite a number of minority personnel

I think if Trump tried to use the military against US citizens the GOP leadership will have cabinet removed from office. It’s the private militias that are troublesome. The Boogaloo boys actually want a civil war.

I tell you if i were a yank in a state with open carry i’d take a gun to any protests.

I wouldn’t be seen in public.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

If it all went to shit and the military were called in I wonder how that would go when their armed forces have quite a number of minority personnel

I think if Trump tried to use the military against US citizens the GOP leadership will have cabinet removed from office. It’s the private militias that are troublesome. The Boogaloo boys actually want a civil war.

I tell you if i were a yank in a state with open carry i’d take a gun to any protests.

‘will have cabinet remove him’

We guessed you meant that.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

If it all went to shit and the military were called in I wonder how that would go when their armed forces have quite a number of minority personnel

I think if Trump tried to use the military against US citizens the GOP leadership will have cabinet removed from office. It’s the private militias that are troublesome. The Boogaloo boys actually want a civil war.

I tell you if i were a yank in a state with open carry i’d take a gun to any protests.

I wouldn’t be seen in public.

As an outside observer it seems quite obvious the yanks have been brainwashed into the over the top patriotism bordering on a mental illness since at least the Cold War.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think if Trump tried to use the military against US citizens the GOP leadership will have cabinet removed from office. It’s the private militias that are troublesome. The Boogaloo boys actually want a civil war.

I tell you if i were a yank in a state with open carry i’d take a gun to any protests.

I wouldn’t be seen in public.

As an outside observer it seems quite obvious the yanks have been brainwashed into the over the top patriotism bordering on a mental illness since at least the Cold War.

Both sides are claiming to be patriots to justify their actions besides the occasional anarchist.

dv said:

This does appear to be part of his defence. He engages in witness tampering via twitter. How can it be illegal when it’s public?

Olbermann vs. Trump #19:
Trump’s Plan – Coup By Television

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

Is that how thoughts and prayers work?

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

If it’s a normal transition not many people will understand the OP.

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I stocked up on popcorn though

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I like your optimism.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I like your optimism.

It is the preferred alternative in this instance.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I like your optimism.

It is the preferred alternative in this instance.

IMO if DT loses there will be bloodshed.

Ogmog said:

Enabling Act of 1933

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

sorry;
the forward slash breaks the link

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Enabling Act of 1933

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

sorry;
the forward slash breaks the link

Remind you of anyone?

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It is weird as they are often anti abortion, pro guns and war, antigay, anti environment, racist, etc but good old Christians

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It is weird as they are often anti abortion, pro guns and war, antigay, anti environment, racist, etc but good old Christians

Perhaps they just don’t want to admit they are common garden scum and use religion as the great justification

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It is weird as they are often anti abortion, pro guns and war, antigay, anti environment, racist, etc but good old Christians

The part they think is great is their brutish arrogance, because they announce it as under God as God’s legal vigilantes.

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It is weird as they are often anti abortion, pro guns and war, antigay, anti environment, racist, etc but good old Christians

That’s right. They are good old Christians. Where old means 15th century.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

If it’s a normal transition not many people will understand the OP.

in all honesty we’d just go with the title, and if it’s a normal transition the title would be even more appropriate

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It is weird as they are often anti abortion, pro guns and war, antigay, anti environment, racist, etc but good old Christians

That’s right. They are good old Christians. Where old means 15th century.

Eavesdropping on Roy Cohn and Donald Trump

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

If it’s a normal transition not many people will understand the OP.

in all honesty we’d just go with the title, and if it’s a normal transition the title would be even more appropriate

I see your point.

Another note says, “Donald was the last one Roy spoke to on the phone,” perhaps referring to Cohn’s last days, in 1986. Seymour also noted that Trump could be “two-faced,” and described how he had once heard from an assistant that a lawyer working for Cohn wanted to leave his firm and immediately told Cohn about the treachery. Trump “did things like that always. Roy’s line on him: ‘He pisses ice water!’ ”

From the eavesdropping link.

Ogmog said:

Enabling Act of 1933

Part of HIS pathology is believing ‘If it’s Done In Plain Sight It’s LEGAL’.
Thus we stand warned; “When the looting starts the shooting starts.”

‘No Specific Threat’ to NYC on Election Day, But ‘We’re Prepared for Anything’

“Armed Police Presence”?
(……….in the name of “LAW & ORDER” …of course…)

umm… isn’t Trump Tower right down the street?

Since he got away with using the Army for A Photo-Op, what can we expect when
HE claims to be PROTECTING LIFE AND PROPERTY? (Particularly HIS OWN?)

All those fuckers taking video or pictures in portrait need shooting. That one doing landscape is a lefty spy

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I am not mentally prepared for the possibility of him winning at all. At this point, I think my immediate response would be to cut all ties with all things American, but that’s not exactly a mature strategy.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I am not mentally prepared for the possibility of him winning at all. At this point, I think my immediate response would be to cut all ties with all things American, but that’s not exactly a mature strategy.

Nuke him from orbit its the only way to be sure

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

I’ve often wondered that too. This guy has a moderately convincing explanation for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpLCIc5PvQw&t=1001s

It’s a bit long winded. short summary: Early post-war America emerged as a military and economic superpower, and leader of the free world – because every other contender was in ruins after the war and had to rebuild. It took a while for other countries to catch up again. Meanwhile a couple of generations of Americans had grown up thinking that this temporary bubble was normal, so there was a tendency to see other countries improvement as America’s decline, probably quite unfairly. At the same time the social trend in the US was the rise in progressivism and secularism. Christians blamed America’s “decline” on it’s “moral decline” and so the counter cultural movement was born – that the way for America to regain greatness is in going back to strict biblical values.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I am not mentally prepared for the possibility of him winning at all. At this point, I think my immediate response would be to cut all ties with all things American, but that’s not exactly a mature strategy.

“maturity” is not a runner in the race if Trump gets re-elected. Maybe you could make America a supplier of last resort rather than cut ties completely.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

I’ve often wondered that too. This guy has a moderately convincing explanation for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpLCIc5PvQw&t=1001s

It’s a bit long winded. short summary: Early post-war America emerged as a military and economic superpower, and leader of the free world – because every other contender was in ruins after the war and had to rebuild. It took a while for other countries to catch up again. Meanwhile a couple of generations of Americans had grown up thinking that this temporary bubble was normal, so there was a tendency to see other countries improvement as America’s decline, probably quite unfairly. At the same time the social trend in the US was the rise in progressivism and secularism. Christians blamed America’s “decline” on it’s “moral decline” and so the counter cultural movement was born – that the way for America to regain greatness is in going back to strict biblical values.

It probably makes sense if you realise that US Christians are often Old Testament Christians, in which the warped behaviour of a Trump is actually condoned.

Rape and slavery etc are OK in the OT.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I am not mentally prepared for the possibility of him winning at all. At this point, I think my immediate response would be to cut all ties with all things American, but that’s not exactly a mature strategy.

“maturity” is not a runner in the race if Trump gets re-elected. Maybe you could make America a supplier of last resort rather than cut ties completely.

Yeah, hmmm… That sound like a problem for Future Rule.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

I’ve often wondered that too. This guy has a moderately convincing explanation for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpLCIc5PvQw&t=1001s

It’s a bit long winded. short summary: Early post-war America emerged as a military and economic superpower, and leader of the free world – because every other contender was in ruins after the war and had to rebuild. It took a while for other countries to catch up again. Meanwhile a couple of generations of Americans had grown up thinking that this temporary bubble was normal, so there was a tendency to see other countries improvement as America’s decline, probably quite unfairly. At the same time the social trend in the US was the rise in progressivism and secularism. Christians blamed America’s “decline” on it’s “moral decline” and so the counter cultural movement was born – that the way for America to regain greatness is in going back to strict biblical values.

It probably makes sense if you realise that US Christians are often Old Testament Christians, in which the warped behaviour of a Trump is actually condoned.

Rape and slavery etc are OK in the OT.

So I guess they’d be queuing up to stone DJT to death for adultery

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I’ve often wondered that too. This guy has a moderately convincing explanation for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpLCIc5PvQw&t=1001s

It’s a bit long winded. short summary: Early post-war America emerged as a military and economic superpower, and leader of the free world – because every other contender was in ruins after the war and had to rebuild. It took a while for other countries to catch up again. Meanwhile a couple of generations of Americans had grown up thinking that this temporary bubble was normal, so there was a tendency to see other countries improvement as America’s decline, probably quite unfairly. At the same time the social trend in the US was the rise in progressivism and secularism. Christians blamed America’s “decline” on it’s “moral decline” and so the counter cultural movement was born – that the way for America to regain greatness is in going back to strict biblical values.

It probably makes sense if you realise that US Christians are often Old Testament Christians, in which the warped behaviour of a Trump is actually condoned.

Rape and slavery etc are OK in the OT.

So I guess they’d be queuing up to stone DJT to death for adultery

Never the man involved, but they’d have a ping at Stormy Daniels.

Tamb said:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Enabling Act of 1933

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

sorry;
the forward slash breaks the link

Remind you of anyone?

I’m rather fond of The Patrician.

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Ogmog said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

sorry;
the forward slash breaks the link

Remind you of anyone?

I’m rather fond of The Patrician.

That was Brian Harradine for a few years, wasn’t it?

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I am not mentally prepared for the possibility of him winning at all. At this point, I think my immediate response would be to cut all ties with all things American, but that’s not exactly a mature strategy.

Seems fine to me. Except I’ve got a sister in Houston and I worry about her.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Hopefully DJT will lose and there will be a nice peaceful normal transition.

I am not mentally prepared for the possibility of him winning at all. At this point, I think my immediate response would be to cut all ties with all things American, but that’s not exactly a mature strategy.

Seems fine to me. Except I’ve got a sister in Houston and I worry about her.

I’ll just remind myself that objectively, it has nothing to do with me, none of my business.

I have no control over American politics or culture, and by and large it doesn’t affect me.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I am not mentally prepared for the possibility of him winning at all. At this point, I think my immediate response would be to cut all ties with all things American, but that’s not exactly a mature strategy.

Seems fine to me. Except I’ve got a sister in Houston and I worry about her.

I’ll just remind myself that objectively, it has nothing to do with me, none of my business.

I have no control over American politics or culture, and by and large it doesn’t affect me.

(Shrugs) I think the worst case scenario could affect you…

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Seems fine to me. Except I’ve got a sister in Houston and I worry about her.

I’ll just remind myself that objectively, it has nothing to do with me, none of my business.

I have no control over American politics or culture, and by and large it doesn’t affect me.

(Shrugs) I think the worst case scenario could affect you…

If he starts WW3 or suchlike I’d just treat it as a natural disaster. It’s not something within my power to prevent.

And here is one of the reasons I like Vetinari (The Patrician), which I think might be pertinent:

“…one day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I’m sure you’ll agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.” (Unseen Academicals)

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ll just remind myself that objectively, it has nothing to do with me, none of my business.

I have no control over American politics or culture, and by and large it doesn’t affect me.

(Shrugs) I think the worst case scenario could affect you…

If he starts WW3 or suchlike I’d just treat it as a natural disaster. It’s not something within my power to prevent.

One day I hope to attain your level of wisdom and serenity.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

(Shrugs) I think the worst case scenario could affect you…

If he starts WW3 or suchlike I’d just treat it as a natural disaster. It’s not something within my power to prevent.

One day I hope to attain your level of wisdom and serenity.

He won’t start WW3 unless he can see away to make a buck out of it.

buffy said:

And here is one of the reasons I like Vetinari (The Patrician), which I think might be pertinent:

“…one day when I was a young boy on holiday in Uberwald I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs. A very endearing sight, I’m sure you’ll agree, and even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature’s wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.” (Unseen Academicals)

There’s a real Uberwald near Mannheim in Germany. I was there, 26 years ago.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

(Shrugs) I think the worst case scenario could affect you…

If he starts WW3 or suchlike I’d just treat it as a natural disaster. It’s not something within my power to prevent.

One day I hope to attain your level of wisdom and serenity.

It’s just a matter of trying to keep my anxiety levels manageable by screening out needless nasty news.

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s complex. The GOP started by Lincoln was anti-slavery and pro African American with many black pollies from the south in the years after the civil war which was naturally unpopular with the good ol’ boys.

This Republican support of black Americans ended when a deal was done for political reasons and the South became the Democrat ‘solid south’ with black voting rights suppressed for the next 80 years and the Republicans becoming the party of the ruling class and the north. The Democrats were the party of the poor, inner cities and the unions.

This economically leftwing Democratic party was well placed to expand the economy during the Great Depression and during WW2 when massive government intervention in the economy was a requirement for the war effort.

You may have noticed that we haven’t got onto religion yet. Until this point religion was a private matter and largely unconnected to which party you supported.

So by 1950 the GOP was pro-business and small government and the Democrats were working class, pro-union and for progressive government involvement in the economy albeit with some racist old southerners still in the party.

It all comes to pass with the civil rights movements in the late 1950s and 60s. The black rights movement pissed off a lot of old whitey in the south when reform was instituted by the Democrats despite the objections of the solid south which would soon be not so solid. The Womens Liberation movement and the gay rights movement were largely supported by liberal Democrats and resisted by conservatives who looked to the GOP for support. Then we have Abortion. Roe vs Wade was fiercely resisted by Christians and conservatives who now found themselves united in the Republican party. Pro-business, Christian, small government, resistant to black rights and socially conservative. It’s been quite the journey for the party of Lincoln.

Here’s a sociologist’s take on Trump supporters:

Even if Donald Trump loses the election, the US isn’t going to heal any time soon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/02/donald-trump-us-election-base-extreme

Bubblecar said:

Here’s a sociologist’s take on Trump supporters:

Even if Donald Trump loses the election, the US isn’t going to heal any time soon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/02/donald-trump-us-election-base-extreme

They can’t really even become isolationists anymore as much of what they consume is made elsewhere

Bubblecar said:

Here’s a sociologist’s take on Trump supporters:

Even if Donald Trump loses the election, the US isn’t going to heal any time soon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/02/donald-trump-us-election-base-extreme

Like I said, primary school level bullying and attitudes where there is no concept of consequence and empathy is many years away in development. A severe lack of maturity.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Here’s a sociologist’s take on Trump supporters:

Even if Donald Trump loses the election, the US isn’t going to heal any time soon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/02/donald-trump-us-election-base-extreme

Like I said, primary school level bullying and attitudes where there is no concept of consequence and empathy is many years away in development. A severe lack of maturity.

It goes back to the idea of ‘rugged individualism’ (which was a clever phrase: ‘rugged’ makes it sound wholesome and tough, whereas ‘selfish’ wouldn’t have sold so well).

‘Rugged individualism’ meaning ‘dog-eat-dog, me first, bugger everyone else, grab what you can, do it to them before they do it to you’. Immediate self-interest, and any pause to think about others or about other than immediate results for you is a weakness that your ‘enemies’ (i.e. everyone else) will seize on to destroy you.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Here’s a sociologist’s take on Trump supporters:

Even if Donald Trump loses the election, the US isn’t going to heal any time soon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/02/donald-trump-us-election-base-extreme

Like I said, primary school level bullying and attitudes where there is no concept of consequence and empathy is many years away in development. A severe lack of maturity.

It goes back to the idea of ‘rugged individualism’ (which was a clever phrase: ‘rugged’ makes it sound wholesome and tough, whereas ‘selfish’ wouldn’t have sold so well).

‘Rugged individualism’ meaning ‘dog-eat-dog, me first, bugger everyone else, grab what you can, do it to them before they do it to you’. Immediate self-interest, and any pause to think about others or about other than immediate results for you is a weakness that your ‘enemies’ (i.e. everyone else) will seize on to destroy you.

I’ve got to think that this idea is fundamentally flawed. Humans are a group animal. A group of humans are apex predators in most environments, a lone human is just a tasty snack. Emphasising individuality as the goal to strive for over anything else is contrary to our evolution and how are branes are hard-wired to work.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Like I said, primary school level bullying and attitudes where there is no concept of consequence and empathy is many years away in development. A severe lack of maturity.

It goes back to the idea of ‘rugged individualism’ (which was a clever phrase: ‘rugged’ makes it sound wholesome and tough, whereas ‘selfish’ wouldn’t have sold so well).

‘Rugged individualism’ meaning ‘dog-eat-dog, me first, bugger everyone else, grab what you can, do it to them before they do it to you’. Immediate self-interest, and any pause to think about others or about other than immediate results for you is a weakness that your ‘enemies’ (i.e. everyone else) will seize on to destroy you.

I’ve got to think that this idea is fundamentally flawed. Humans are a group animal. A group of humans are apex predators in most environments, a lone human is just a tasty snack. Emphasising individuality as the goal to strive for over anything else is contrary to our evolution and how are branes are hard-wired to work.

Perhaps ethnic/nation group individualism then, might is right so we can do what we want to whom ever we want as we are the good guys so its not bad

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s complex. The GOP started by Lincoln was anti-slavery and pro African American with many black pollies from the south in the years after the civil war which was naturally unpopular with the good ol’ boys.

This Republican support of black Americans ended when a deal was done for political reasons and the South became the Democrat ‘solid south’ with black voting rights suppressed for the next 80 years and the Republicans becoming the party of the ruling class and the north. The Democrats were the party of the poor, inner cities and the unions.

This economically leftwing Democratic party was well placed to expand the economy during the Great Depression and during WW2 when massive government intervention in the economy was a requirement for the war effort.

You may have noticed that we haven’t got onto religion yet. Until this point religion was a private matter and largely unconnected to which party you supported.

So by 1950 the GOP was pro-business and small government and the Democrats were working class, pro-union and for progressive government involvement in the economy albeit with some racist old southerners still in the party.

It all comes to pass with the civil rights movements in the late 1950s and 60s. The black rights movement pissed off a lot of old whitey in the south when reform was instituted by the Democrats despite the objections of the solid south which would soon be not so solid. The Womens Liberation movement and the gay rights movement were largely supported by liberal Democrats and resisted by conservatives who looked to the GOP for support. Then we have Abortion. Roe vs Wade was fiercely resisted by Christians and conservatives who now found themselves united in the Republican party. Pro-business, Christian, small government, resistant to black rights and socially conservative. It’s been quite the journey for the party of Lincoln.

Funny thing is, Roe v Wade was decided by Republicans. The SC had 6 Republican appointees out of 9, including the chief justice. The Republican party did not become anti-abortion until quite some time later.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Like I said, primary school level bullying and attitudes where there is no concept of consequence and empathy is many years away in development. A severe lack of maturity.

It goes back to the idea of ‘rugged individualism’ (which was a clever phrase: ‘rugged’ makes it sound wholesome and tough, whereas ‘selfish’ wouldn’t have sold so well).

‘Rugged individualism’ meaning ‘dog-eat-dog, me first, bugger everyone else, grab what you can, do it to them before they do it to you’. Immediate self-interest, and any pause to think about others or about other than immediate results for you is a weakness that your ‘enemies’ (i.e. everyone else) will seize on to destroy you.

I’ve got to think that this idea is fundamentally flawed. Humans are a group animal. A group of humans are apex predators in most environments, a lone human is just a tasty snack. Emphasising individuality as the goal to strive for over anything else is contrary to our evolution and how are branes are hard-wired to work.

Selling the philosophy of ‘rugged individualism’ was/is just another facet of divide-and-conquer. If people can be convinced that they can’t/shouldn’t live co-operatively, or expect co-operation from others, then they’re far less likely to organise into groups which could offer effective opposition e.g. unions.

Convince people that such groupings are somehow evil, and encourage religious denominations so as to satisfy their tribal urges and to provide a propaganda channel, and people are a whole lot easier to control. If you can keep ‘em poor, sick and ignorant, it’s easier still.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

It goes back to the idea of ‘rugged individualism’ (which was a clever phrase: ‘rugged’ makes it sound wholesome and tough, whereas ‘selfish’ wouldn’t have sold so well).

‘Rugged individualism’ meaning ‘dog-eat-dog, me first, bugger everyone else, grab what you can, do it to them before they do it to you’. Immediate self-interest, and any pause to think about others or about other than immediate results for you is a weakness that your ‘enemies’ (i.e. everyone else) will seize on to destroy you.

I’ve got to think that this idea is fundamentally flawed. Humans are a group animal. A group of humans are apex predators in most environments, a lone human is just a tasty snack. Emphasising individuality as the goal to strive for over anything else is contrary to our evolution and how are branes are hard-wired to work.

Selling the philosophy of ‘rugged individualism’ was/is just another facet of divide-and-conquer. If people can be convinced that they can’t/shouldn’t live co-operatively, or expect co-operation from others, then they’re far less likely to organise into groups which could offer effective opposition e.g. unions.

Convince people that such groupings are somehow evil, and encourage religious denominations so as to satisfy their tribal urges and to provide a propaganda channel, and people are a whole lot easier to control. If you can keep ‘em poor, sick and ignorant, it’s easier still.

Yes having a mortage is like that, too busy to work to pay for your house to kick up too much of stink

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-03/300-lawsuits-already-have-been-filed-over-the-us-election/12842852

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s complex. The GOP started by Lincoln was anti-slavery and pro African American with many black pollies from the south in the years after the civil war which was naturally unpopular with the good ol’ boys.

This Republican support of black Americans ended when a deal was done for political reasons and the South became the Democrat ‘solid south’ with black voting rights suppressed for the next 80 years and the Republicans becoming the party of the ruling class and the north. The Democrats were the party of the poor, inner cities and the unions.

This economically leftwing Democratic party was well placed to expand the economy during the Great Depression and during WW2 when massive government intervention in the economy was a requirement for the war effort.

You may have noticed that we haven’t got onto religion yet. Until this point religion was a private matter and largely unconnected to which party you supported.

So by 1950 the GOP was pro-business and small government and the Democrats were working class, pro-union and for progressive government involvement in the economy albeit with some racist old southerners still in the party.

It all comes to pass with the civil rights movements in the late 1950s and 60s. The black rights movement pissed off a lot of old whitey in the south when reform was instituted by the Democrats despite the objections of the solid south which would soon be not so solid. The Womens Liberation movement and the gay rights movement were largely supported by liberal Democrats and resisted by conservatives who looked to the GOP for support. Then we have Abortion. Roe vs Wade was fiercely resisted by Christians and conservatives who now found themselves united in the Republican party. Pro-business, Christian, small government, resistant to black rights and socially conservative. It’s been quite the journey for the party of Lincoln.

Funny thing is, Roe v Wade was decided by Republicans. The SC had 6 Republican appointees out of 9, including the chief justice. The Republican party did not become anti-abortion until quite some time later.

7 years is hardly some time later if we accept that Reagan was anti-abortion. The US President is the leader of their respective national political parties.

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

How did Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. ?

Power and media.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s complex. The GOP started by Lincoln was anti-slavery and pro African American with many black pollies from the south in the years after the civil war which was naturally unpopular with the good ol’ boys.

This Republican support of black Americans ended when a deal was done for political reasons and the South became the Democrat ‘solid south’ with black voting rights suppressed for the next 80 years and the Republicans becoming the party of the ruling class and the north. The Democrats were the party of the poor, inner cities and the unions.

This economically leftwing Democratic party was well placed to expand the economy during the Great Depression and during WW2 when massive government intervention in the economy was a requirement for the war effort.

You may have noticed that we haven’t got onto religion yet. Until this point religion was a private matter and largely unconnected to which party you supported.

So by 1950 the GOP was pro-business and small government and the Democrats were working class, pro-union and for progressive government involvement in the economy albeit with some racist old southerners still in the party.

It all comes to pass with the civil rights movements in the late 1950s and 60s. The black rights movement pissed off a lot of old whitey in the south when reform was instituted by the Democrats despite the objections of the solid south which would soon be not so solid. The Womens Liberation movement and the gay rights movement were largely supported by liberal Democrats and resisted by conservatives who looked to the GOP for support. Then we have Abortion. Roe vs Wade was fiercely resisted by Christians and conservatives who now found themselves united in the Republican party. Pro-business, Christian, small government, resistant to black rights and socially conservative. It’s been quite the journey for the party of Lincoln.

Funny thing is, Roe v Wade was decided by Republicans. The SC had 6 Republican appointees out of 9, including the chief justice. The Republican party did not become anti-abortion until quite some time later.

7 years is hardly some time later if we accept that Reagan was anti-abortion. The US President is the leader of their respective national political parties.

I guess we could engage in a conversation about whether 7 years is some time.

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

If Trump loses and won’t leave I wonder if Biden can authorise lethal force to the secret service

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

If Trump loses and won’t leave I wonder if Biden can authorise lethal force to the secret service

The White House has its own police force. It might fall to them to remove an unwelcome occupant from an office.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

I think hoons in pick-ups are the least of their worries. Dudes in Hawaiian shirts with AR-15s not so much.

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

If Trump loses and won’t leave I wonder if Biden can authorise lethal force to the secret service

A trail of whoppers from the oval office to the streets outside should do it.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

If Trump loses and won’t leave I wonder if Biden can authorise lethal force to the secret service

The White House has its own police force. It might fall to them to remove an unwelcome occupant from an office.

Or he could set up in an alternative location for a while and leave Trump alone and impotent in the actual WH.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

I have seen two clips shared. One makes them look like heroes. The other villains.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

I have seen two clips shared. One makes them look like heroes. The other villains.

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I hope something is done after the election with those thugs following Bidens election bus. They should not get away with it.

I have seen two clips shared. One makes them look like heroes. The other villains.

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

I have seen two clips shared. One makes them look like heroes. The other villains.

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

If i were on the stopped bus of course.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

I have seen two clips shared. One makes them look like heroes. The other villains.

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

Happened in a town up North some years ago. Convoy of US Army vehicles stopped in the town for a wee break. A few tyres were knifed while the soldiers were otherwise occupied.

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

Happened in a town up North some years ago. Convoy of US Army vehicles stopped in the town for a wee break. A few tyres were knifed while the soldiers were otherwise occupied.

Why?

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

Happened in a town up North some years ago. Convoy of US Army vehicles stopped in the town for a wee break. A few tyres were knifed while the soldiers were otherwise occupied.

Costing the taxpayer hundreds of dollars for each tyre, those tyres are not cheap either.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

Happened in a town up North some years ago. Convoy of US Army vehicles stopped in the town for a wee break. A few tyres were knifed while the soldiers were otherwise occupied.

Why?

Lot of bad feeling about US bases being set up in the north.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

Happened in a town up North some years ago. Convoy of US Army vehicles stopped in the town for a wee break. A few tyres were knifed while the soldiers were otherwise occupied.

Why?

Was it the intervention?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

I have seen two clips shared. One makes them look like heroes. The other villains.

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

If you are provoking a commotion it is likely you will be the centre of attention and everyone will be looking.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

Happened in a town up North some years ago. Convoy of US Army vehicles stopped in the town for a wee break. A few tyres were knifed while the soldiers were otherwise occupied.

Costing the taxpayer hundreds of dollars for each tyre, those tyres are not cheap either.

It was assumed that the vehicles were US army property.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are not heroes, they gave the bus occupants a difficult time.

They did it as a gang of thugs driving in multiple vehicles with intention to aggravate, they need to look at this.

No one should encourage this kind if action and Trump did just that.

I would have provoked a commotion then knifed their tyres when they weren’t looking.

If you are provoking a commotion it is likely you will be the centre of attention and everyone will be looking.

I mean to all get off the bus thus stopping the traffic and encourage the ute drivers to also disembark. Then simply nick of behind the bus with evil intent in mind. I’m a bit of a provoquer.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Happened in a town up North some years ago. Convoy of US Army vehicles stopped in the town for a wee break. A few tyres were knifed while the soldiers were otherwise occupied.

Why?

Lot of bad feeling about US bases being set up in the north.

Gosh, how will they react when the West Taiwanese want to set up bases here?

Trump has incited violence before.

Trump is inciting violence again.

A sitting president with complete disregard for public safety.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump has incited violence before.

Trump is inciting violence again.

A sitting president with complete disregard for public safety.

If you read anything written by just about anyone about him, the most prominent impression that you get is that he’s a narcissist without parallel. In his mind, no-one and nothing matters except him, and the world revolves around him.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump has incited violence before.

Trump is inciting violence again.

A sitting president with complete disregard for public safety.

If you read anything written by just about anyone about him, the most prominent impression that you get is that he’s a narcissist without parallel. In his mind, no-one and nothing matters except him, and the world revolves around him.

Heres recapping some of the past.

Just reminding you of some things for Election Day.

I see some discussion a bit earlier…this question was asked on the ABC live thing this morning:

If Biden wins the election and Trump refuses to step down then what will happen? Does anyone have the power to remove him from power?

The answer they gave was:

Hi George. You’re not the first to ask this. The President has repeatedly refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the election to Joe Biden.
Essentially, if that happened, and he still didn’t want to leave by inauguration day on January 20 next year, he’d have to be removed by the Secret Service.

At this point, he would be a private citizen, so would have no authority to order US agents to defend him. He’d have a Secret Service detail of his own, but one that still ultimately answers to the new occupant of the White House.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trump has incited violence before.

Trump is inciting violence again.

A sitting president with complete disregard for public safety.

If you read anything written by just about anyone about him, the most prominent impression that you get is that he’s a narcissist without parallel. In his mind, no-one and nothing matters except him, and the world revolves around him.

Heres recapping some of the past.

Just reminding you of some things for Election Day.

Can’t see that behind the firewall where i am.

buffy said:

I see some discussion a bit earlier…this question was asked on the ABC live thing this morning:

If Biden wins the election and Trump refuses to step down then what will happen? Does anyone have the power to remove him from power?

The answer they gave was:

Hi George. You’re not the first to ask this. The President has repeatedly refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the election to Joe Biden.
Essentially, if that happened, and he still didn’t want to leave by inauguration day on January 20 next year, he’d have to be removed by the Secret Service.

At this point, he would be a private citizen, so would have no authority to order US agents to defend him. He’d have a Secret Service detail of his own, but one that still ultimately answers to the new occupant of the White House.

Yeah, his authority as President and as Commander in Chief ceases automatically on Jan 20. Neither Secret Service or armed services could legitimately take orders from him after that.

The man is extremely rude to his supporters. From the ABC live thread again:

From the WH pooler: “POTUS was due to speak an hour ago at 10:30 PM, but it looks like his speech will spill past midnight as it did in 2016 (he took the stage then at 12:30 AM four years ago).”

That’s a VERY fresh 7C for the rest of us. He was due to take the stage about 90 minutes ago, which means the people in the crowd have been waiting A LOT longer than that.

buffy said:

The man is extremely rude to his supporters. From the ABC live thread again:

From the WH pooler: “POTUS was due to speak an hour ago at 10:30 PM, but it looks like his speech will spill past midnight as it did in 2016 (he took the stage then at 12:30 AM four years ago).”

That’s a VERY fresh 7C for the rest of us. He was due to take the stage about 90 minutes ago, which means the people in the crowd have been waiting A LOT longer than that.

Treat ‘em Mean, Grab Them By The Felidae Purulent, Keep ‘em Keen

buffy said:

The man is extremely rude to his supporters. From the ABC live thread again:

From the WH pooler: “POTUS was due to speak an hour ago at 10:30 PM, but it looks like his speech will spill past midnight as it did in 2016 (he took the stage then at 12:30 AM four years ago).”

That’s a VERY fresh 7C for the rest of us. He was due to take the stage about 90 minutes ago, which means the people in the crowd have been waiting A LOT longer than that.

He no doubt firmly believes that he’s worth waiting for, and that people will wait for him. There’s no show without Donald, in his mind.

In Nov 2018, he refused to go to the memorial services at the Aisne-Marne cemetery in France ‘Poor weather’ was blamed, and there was speculation that he didn’t want to get his ‘hair’ wet in the rain.

In reality, Trump was very grumpy and petulant over the results of the mid-term elections, when the Democrats gained control of Congress, and simply said ‘i’m not going’. He believed that without him being there, the whole thing would simply be a non-event.

When he saw that other people like Theresa May, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel and other leaders went regardless of the weather, he was angry at them getting attention when he didn’t squawking ‘i could have gone!’

When he learnt that White House chief of staff, retired Marine Gen. John Kelly; the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Gen. Joe Dunford; and several members of the White House staff attended without telling him first (rather than have no Americans there at all) he was furious, and called them ‘traitors’.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

The man is extremely rude to his supporters. From the ABC live thread again:

From the WH pooler: “POTUS was due to speak an hour ago at 10:30 PM, but it looks like his speech will spill past midnight as it did in 2016 (he took the stage then at 12:30 AM four years ago).”

That’s a VERY fresh 7C for the rest of us. He was due to take the stage about 90 minutes ago, which means the people in the crowd have been waiting A LOT longer than that.

He no doubt firmly believes that he’s worth waiting for, and that people will wait for him. There’s no show without Donald, in his mind.

In Nov 2018, he refused to go to the memorial services at the Aisne-Marne cemetery in France ‘Poor weather’ was blamed, and there was speculation that he didn’t want to get his ‘hair’ wet in the rain.

In reality, Trump was very grumpy and petulant over the results of the mid-term elections, when the Democrats gained control of Congress, and simply said ‘i’m not going’. He believed that without him being there, the whole thing would simply be a non-event.

When he saw that other people like Theresa May, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel and other leaders went regardless of the weather, he was angry at them getting attention when he didn’t squawking ‘i could have gone!’

When he learnt that White House chief of staff, retired Marine Gen. John Kelly; the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Gen. Joe Dunford; and several members of the White House staff attended without telling him first (rather than have no Americans there at all) he was furious, and called them ‘traitors’.

maybe something happened, drumpf ended up like ‘dolf when the war was going to shit

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

KJW said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

dv said:

KJW said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Yep they sure are riff raff now.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

KJW said:

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Yep they sure are riff raff now.

might be a success, we don’t know yet

dv said:

KJW said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

KJW said:

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

dv said:

KJW said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Religion is a failure of the intellect, so I’m not sure what a “failure of religion” could be.

And let’s remind ourselves that the Evangelicals are actually somewhat worse than Trump, in various ways.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

KJW said:

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Using charisma to flout a con.

KJW said:

Divine Angel said:

OK so yesterday I read this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-presidential-election-evangelical-vote-is-diverse/12834126

And I’m confused as to how Christianity and Republicans became so tightly entwined. I have an American friend (well, I unfriended her when she posted Trump is sent by God memes) who is devoutly Christian (or thinks she is), gun-toting, anti-Democrats just because they’re Democrats and she thinks there’s nothing at all wrong with Trump. Like… what?

It’s really not that hard to understand. The Left have always been the enemy of Religion, and I think it’s more a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rather than any particular attraction to the Right. Consider this forum, for example. This forum is predominantly Left, and not only accepts things that Religion rejects, but is openly hostile towards Religion and religious belief. It has been said that the Right in general, and Trump in particular is anti-science. Well, so is Religion, so is it really a stretch that Religion would align itself to the Right?

Dunno why they are right because at school if you didn’t believe in science you failed. Even at Catholic schools.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

Covid restrictions. His dad filled the MCG to overflowing.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

We don’t like your kind around preacher.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

We don’t like your kind around preacher.

Yeah, I wouldn’t shake his hand, but unfortunately that’s not a reason to bar him from the country. Maybe after I’m made king.

roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

Covid restrictions. His dad filled the MCG to overflowing.

ah, Graham’s Number, see

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

If he is coming from America, yes…make very sure he is clean and make him hotel quarantine. If I remember correctly some of the very first cases here in Australia were brought in from America.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

If he is coming from America, yes…make very sure he is clean and make him hotel quarantine. If I remember correctly some of the very first cases here in Australia were brought in from America.

and many of the biggest spreading events were religious

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

Well and both of us know that the rump will be employing every sirty trick in the book, including a wall to prevent him being removed easily from the white house.

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

=x-O C-C-C-Can’t St-St-Stop R-R-R-Reading!!! O-x=

Ogmog said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

=x-O C-C-C-Can’t St-St-Stop R-R-R-Reading!!! O-x=

You Can’t Stop The Music

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

=x-O C-C-C-Can’t St-St-Stop R-R-R-Reading!!! O-x=

You Can’t Stop The Music

:\ THANX… I Needed That! /:

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

=x-O C-C-C-Can’t St-St-Stop R-R-R-Reading!!! O-x=

You Can’t Stop The Music

:\ THANX… I Needed That! /:

Sorry.
But hey it has been a bit of a circus. You have to admit.

Why the far right cannot throw away its guns and ideology and behave like normal people is beyond me.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why the far right cannot throw away its guns and ideology and behave like normal people is beyond me.

Might is power to subvert.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why the far right cannot throw away its guns and ideology and behave like normal people is beyond me.

The philosophy of ‘rugged individualism’. You don’t help others, and you don’t expect them to help you. You’re taught that institutions will not protect you, and that you’re vulnerable to attack by everyone else, who are all in the same boat as you. So, you need your guns to protect yourself from all of those other ‘rugged individualists’ and their guns.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why the far right cannot throw away its guns and ideology and behave like normal people is beyond me.

The philosophy of ‘rugged individualism’. You don’t help others, and you don’t expect them to help you. You’re taught that institutions will not protect you, and that you’re vulnerable to attack by everyone else, who are all in the same boat as you. So, you need your guns to protect yourself from all of those other ‘rugged individualists’ and their guns.

They use rubbish ideology to sell guns.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

It’s a failure of religion. American evangelical Christianity has irrevocably damaged its brand by tying itself to Trump.

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

For being A SuperSpreader of IMPROPERganda? <-;{

Ogmog said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

For being A SuperSpreader of IMPROPERganda? <-;{

His dad, He outstipped the cricket and footy fans.
https://billygraham.org.au/billy-graham-trivia-which-australian-stadium-broke-its-attendance-record-during-a-crusade/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/the-day-billy-graham-transfixed-record-mcg-crowd/9474728

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

sibeen said:

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

For being A SuperSpreader of IMPROPERganda? <-;{

His dad, He outstipped the cricket and footy fans.
https://billygraham.org.au/billy-graham-trivia-which-australian-stadium-broke-its-attendance-record-during-a-crusade/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/the-day-billy-graham-transfixed-record-mcg-crowd/9474728

Melbourne has had only five double dougnut days yet.

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

sibeen said:

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

For being A SuperSpreader of IMPROPERganda? <-;{

His dad, He outstipped the cricket and footy fans.
https://billygraham.org.au/billy-graham-trivia-which-australian-stadium-broke-its-attendance-record-during-a-crusade/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/the-day-billy-graham-transfixed-record-mcg-crowd/9474728

His old man was a Con Man with the gift of gab …a tool of the government.
A perfect example for why The Founding Fathers enacted
the Separation of Church & State.

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

You Can’t Stop The Music

:\ THANX… I Needed That! /:

Sorry.
But hey it has been a bit of a circus. You have to admit.

Way ahead of ya’, Mate…
https://www.sho.com/the-circus-inside-the-greatest-political-show-on-earth

Ogmog said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Billy Graham’s son is booked for a Tasmanian tour. I hope they don’t let him in the country.

Is there a decent reason to keep him out?

For being A SuperSpreader of IMPROPERganda? <-;{

I wouldn’t let him in.

He talks rubbish.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

Well and both of us know that the rump will be employing every sirty trick in the book, including a wall to prevent him being removed easily from the white house.

I still feel like today is the day I must go out and vote for him.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

Well and both of us know that the rump will be employing every sirty trick in the book, including a wall to prevent him being removed easily from the white house.

I still feel like today is the day I must go out and vote for him.

Beware the subliminal. Focus on your core

May the longtime sun shine upon you
All love surround you.

It is the same mantra Donald employs. Use it for your self sanity.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

Well and both of us know that the rump will be employing every sirty trick in the book, including a wall to prevent him being removed easily from the white house.

I still feel like today is the day I must go out and vote for him.

Vote for Trump?

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Well and both of us know that the rump will be employing every sirty trick in the book, including a wall to prevent him being removed easily from the white house.

I still feel like today is the day I must go out and vote for him.

Vote for Trump?

Probably would have if the OP hadn’t started this thread iin desparation of aid for sanity.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

YES! This is truer than you know.

I woke up this morning feeling calm, relaxed, and keen to go outside and vote for Rump. I even envisaged my feet on the pavement outside heading for the polling booth …

… What the heck. I hate Rump. And then it twigged – dirty tricks.

US elections are infamous for being dirty, and this is the dirtiest of all, the form of post-hypnotic suggestion known as sublim. “A subliminal message is a technique used in marKEting and other media to influencE People without theiR bEing Aware of what the messenger is DoING. This may involve the use of split second flashes of text, hidden images, or subtle cues that affect the audience at a level below conscious awareness.”

Yes, I know this is considered a myth by many people but it is very very real. Derren Brown used it on one of his shows.

Sublim was used by the NAZIs, they may have invented it. And Rump is pushing it to the limit. So the analogy between NAZI and Rump rallies is more true just coincidental. More than the inventor of this meme knew, or perhaps they did know.

Sublim is illegal on Australian TV. It’s about 20 years since I last encountered it so I had forgotten to be ready for it.

The outcome of this election will have nothing to do with anything logical, not guns or religion, not racism or rights, it will be a measure of how well the American public can resist some highly sophisticated dirty tricks.

Well and both of us know that the rump will be employing every sirty trick in the book, including a wall to prevent him being removed easily from the white house.

I still feel like today is the day I must go out and vote for him.

• snaps fingers before your eyes *
  SNAP OUT Of IT, MATE!!!
  throws a glass off water in your face

come on, moll…
…friends don’t let friends vote fer Dump! /-:

Are we there yet?

Are they us yet ¿

Are they all dead yet?

Have the back wheels fallen off yet?

I blame it on a blocked carburettor.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I blame it on a blocked carburettor.

Rusted out air filter.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I blame it on a blocked carburettor.

Rusted out air filter.

The pressure switch was dodgy as well.

It fell over.