Date: 8/11/2020 13:29:25
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1645978
Subject: UK energy plant to use liquid air

UK energy plant to use liquid air

Work is beginning on what is thought to be the world’s first major plant to store energy in the form of liquid air.

It will use surplus electricity from wind farms at night to compress air so hard that it becomes a liquid at -196 Celsius.

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Date: 8/11/2020 13:32:29
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1645981
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

So how much extra energy does it take to cool down the compressed air (which will be rather toasty thanks to the compression) down to -196° ?

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Date: 8/11/2020 13:35:11
From: sibeen
ID: 1645983
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

Mr Dearman said his invention was 60-70% efficient, depending how it is used.

Actually that’s quite a bit higher than I was expecting.

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Date: 8/11/2020 13:36:52
From: sibeen
ID: 1645985
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

sibeen said:


Mr Dearman said his invention was 60-70% efficient, depending how it is used.

Actually that’s quite a bit higher than I was expecting.

Comparing to pumped hydro which wiki tells me has around 70 to 80% efficiency.

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Date: 8/11/2020 13:37:04
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1645986
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

Someone’s going to get hurt.

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Date: 8/11/2020 13:38:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1645987
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

Tau.Neutrino said:


UK energy plant to use liquid air

Work is beginning on what is thought to be the world’s first major plant to store energy in the form of liquid air.

It will use surplus electricity from wind farms at night to compress air so hard that it becomes a liquid at -196 Celsius.

more…

so it will need to compress air by 0 Pa above atmospheric pressure

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Date: 8/11/2020 14:20:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1646005
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

Peak Warming Man said:


Someone’s going to get hurt.

No. I wrote the operations manual for pump maintenance of a liquid air (liquid oxygen, liquid nitrogen) plant while I was working for the steelworks back in 1982. The plant was made by Linde. Liquid oxygen is used in the basic oxygen furnace, which is the best way to recycle scrap steel.

As an energy storage mechanism, I hadn’t considered liquid air.

I can’t see any obvious reason why not, compressed gases have been used for a long time to successfully store energy. And liquid air requires a lot less storage space than compressed air.

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Date: 8/11/2020 14:55:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1646017
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

Spiny Norman said:


So how much extra energy does it take to cool down the compressed air (which will be rather toasty thanks to the compression) down to -196° ?

I used to know that. Um, I don’t know it any more.
Specific heat of air at constant pressure is 1.006 kJ/kgK
Specific heat of atr at constant volume is 0.7171 kJ/kgK
But this isn’t constant pressure or constant volume.
Perhaps this graph from Engineering Toolbox will help for a ballpark estimate.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryogenic_energy_storage

In isolation the process is only 25% efficient.

But this is increased to around 50% when used with a low-grade cold store, such as a large gravel bed, to capture the cold generated by evaporating the cryogen. The cold is re-used during the next refrigeration cycle.

Efficiency is further increased when used in conjunction with a power plant or other source of low-grade heat that would otherwise be lost to the atmosphere. Highview Power claims an AC to AC round-trip efficiency of 70%, by using an otherwise waste heat source at 115 °C

Air can be liquefied by either the Linde Process or the Claude Process.

The Linde process is the only one I know. Air is alternately compressed, cooled, and expanded, each expansion results in a considerable reduction in temperature. With the lower temperature the molecules move more slowly and occupy less space, so the air changes phase to become liquid.

The Claude process. “The gas is allowed to expand isentropically twice in two chambers. While expanding, the gas has to do work as it is led through an expansion turbine. The gas is not yet liquid, since that would destroy the turbine. Commercial air liquefication plants bypass this problem by expanding the air at supercritical pressures. Final liquefaction takes place by isenthalpic expansion in a thermal expansion valve”.

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Date: 8/11/2020 22:52:32
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1646277
Subject: re: UK energy plant to use liquid air

Peak Warming Man said:


Someone’s going to get hurt.

years ago in london it was boiler explosions – high pressure, something goes wrong and suddenly whole blocks would be levelled.

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