Anyway, back to the fun and games.

Tegnell: Munskydd är inte räddningen

https://www.dn.se/sverige/goteborgs-plan-for-andra-vagen-aldre-covidsjuka-ska-vardas-utanfor-sjukhus/

Att tro att munskydden ska vara räddningen är nog farligt, säger statsepidemiolog Anders Tegnell.

Nu ska man inte påstå att spridningen beror på munskydden för det är mycket annat som spelar in. Men att införa munskydd kommer inte att ändra situationen radikalt.

Varför väljer Sverige att gå sin egen väg?

Vi jobbar fortfarande utifrån idé att det viktigaste är att hålla avstånd. Det finns mycket att säga om munskydd. Vi kan ju se att i många länder med väldigt strikta munskyddsregler sker trots allt en omfattande smittspridning, så att tro att munskydden ska vara räddningen är nog farligt, säger Anders Tegnell.

Vad talat för munskydd och vad talar emot munskydd?

Det som talar emot är att det inte finns så mycket data som talar för det. Det är inte lätt att bära munskydd på ett bra sätt. Man tar av och på dem väldigt ofta. Sådant som de som arbetar inom sjukvården vet inte är ett bra sätt att hantera ett munskydd. Det skulle till och med kunna öka riskerna för smittspridning. Sedan finns det en kostnad för munskydd. Ska man byta munskydd var tredje, fjärde timme så blir det ganska stora kostnader för individen. Och munskydd skickar inte signalen om att man ska hålla avstånd.

Varför tror du inte att det skulle hjälpa i kollektivtrafiken i Sverige?

Dels är det ju inte där vi har smittspridningen och om man talar med dem som driver kollektivtrafik så är det en mycket liten andel av all trafik där det är trängsel.

There’s no more coronavirus, it stopped on Nov 4. The fake news found something else to talk about, just ask Trump.

O——K.

I really don’t understand what you are saying there.

Dunno what language that is but I cant help but read in in my head with the voice of the Swedish chef

Sorry, pasted the wrong overlay.

Tegnell: Masks not the answer

https://www.dn.se/sverige/goteborgs-plan-for-andra-vagen-aldre-covidsjuka-ska-vardas-utanfor-sjukhus/

Believing that masks would be our salvation is probably dangerous, says state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell.

Now one should not say that the spread is due to the masks because there is much else that comes into play. But introducing masks will not change the situation radically.

Why does Sweden choose to go its own way?

We still work on the idea that the most important thing is to keep your distance. There is a lot to be said about masks. We can see that in many countries with very strict masking rules, after all, there is an extensive spread of infection, so believing that masks would come to the rescue is probably dangerous, says Anders Tegnell.

What speaks for masks and what speaks against masks?

What speaks against it is that there is not much data that speaks for it. It is not easy to wear a mask in a good way. You take them on and off very often. Things that those who work in healthcare do not know are a good way to handle a mask. It could even increase the risks of spreading the infection. Then there is the cost of mouth protection. If you have to change your mask every three, four hours, it will be quite costly for the individual. And masks do not send a signal to keep your distance.

Why do you not think it would help in public transport in Sweden?

On the one hand, this is not where we have the spread of infection, and if you talk to those who operate public transport, it is a very small proportion of all traffic where there is congestion.

Ta.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/nsw-coronavirus-zero-local-cases-confirmed-for-third-day/12862280

Going to need quarantining of all travellers from overseas for a long time yet.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/nsw-coronavirus-zero-local-cases-confirmed-for-third-day/12862280

Going to need quarantining of all travellers from overseas for a long time yet.

Huzzah!

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/nsw-coronavirus-zero-local-cases-confirmed-for-third-day/12862280

Going to need quarantining of all travellers from overseas for a long time yet.

Yes.

Other countries are slow at lockdown or not doing it at all.

:(

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/nsw-coronavirus-zero-local-cases-confirmed-for-third-day/12862280

Going to need quarantining of all travellers from overseas for a long time yet.

Especially if they’re coming to pick our fruit.

Holy snapping duckshit, France have recorded over 86,000 new cases yesterday. Things getting a bit out of hand over there.

party_pants said:

Holy snapping duckshit, France have recorded over 86,000 new cases yesterday. Things getting a bit out of hand over there.

Where are you getting that? worldometer says 38619

party_pants said:

Holy snapping duckshit, France have recorded over 86,000 new cases yesterday. Things getting a bit out of hand over there.

Gee they are not doing well

while

NSW records no local cases of COVID-19

dv said:

party_pants said:

Holy snapping duckshit, France have recorded over 86,000 new cases yesterday. Things getting a bit out of hand over there.

Where are you getting that? worldometer says 38619

Oh right, yesterday.

shit eh

dv said:

party_pants said:

Holy snapping duckshit, France have recorded over 86,000 new cases yesterday. Things getting a bit out of hand over there.

Where are you getting that? worldometer says 38619

From Worldometer, looking at France’s graphs.
Which I’ve just realised is the figure for 07 Nov, so the day before yesterday.

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

Holy snapping duckshit, France have recorded over 86,000 new cases yesterday. Things getting a bit out of hand over there.

Gee they are not doing well

while

NSW records no local cases of COVID-19

The end of severe lockdown came at the right time for us.
Quite a big roll up for my brother’s memorial service. Northern NSW & SE Qld plus locals.

Recent statistics for China don’t seem to exist, none or lying

party_pants said:

Holy snapping duckshit, France have recorded over 86,000 new cases yesterday. Things getting a bit out of hand over there.

My friend Noni is rural northern France ATM. They have a one kilmetre lockdown. But she took the family out yesterday and went up the hill and found ruins and trees to climb.

They are booked to come home just after Chirstmas. I hope it works for them.

Cymek said:

Recent statistics for China don’t seem to exist, none or lying

Yeah but I’m pretty sure it still does

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/nsw-coronavirus-zero-local-cases-confirmed-for-third-day/12862280

Going to need quarantining of all travellers from overseas for a long time yet.

Yes.

Other countries are slow at lockdown or not doing it at all.

:(

Poor Morrison This Isn’t What He Was Hoping For At All

It’s Official. The World Has Surpassed 50 Million Confirmed Coronavirus Cases

There are over 50 million confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide, according to the latest data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

With about 10 million cases, the United States is the country with the most confirmed coronavirus cases, followed immediately by India and Brazil. At least 230,000 people have died from the disease in the United States.

more….

Both Georgias have had more cases than Australia.

WTF

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/dentist-jailed-for-seeing-clients-during-covid-self-quarantine/12864490

SCIENCE said:

WTF

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/dentist-jailed-for-seeing-clients-during-covid-self-quarantine/12864490

I doubt she’ll do it again.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

WTF

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/dentist-jailed-for-seeing-clients-during-covid-self-quarantine/12864490

I doubt she’ll do it again.

Sometimes its emergencies

Pain, related to decayed roots, teeth etc

If its that, no one should be jailed.

CNN)Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson tested positive for coronavirus on Monday, his deputy chief of staff Coalter Baker confirmed to CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/ben-carson-coronavirus/index.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-what-you-need-to-know-coronavirus/12866750

I’m unhappy this was announced by press release. It’s not peer reviewed. I can’t find any information about how exactly the testing was done. Apparently some people got the vaccine and some got saline injections. And then they waited for people to get or not get COVID19. I presume this just means the people just went about their lives and caught it “in the wild” if they did catch it, rather than them all having some virus seeded up their noses. It seems possible to me that people involved in such a trial may adjust their behaviour in ways which may affect their chances of catching the thing. I doubt it would be ethically allowed to actually try physically to infect thousands of people.

Also probably need to know where the participants are. If it was multicentre and in different countries, exposure to the virus will be varied.

And from the news pieces, the looked at symptomatic. What about the asymptomatics, of which there are apparently a lot.

That’s better.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-what-you-need-to-know-coronavirus/12866750

I’m unhappy this was announced by press release. It’s not peer reviewed. I can’t find any information about how exactly the testing was done. Apparently some people got the vaccine and some got saline injections. And then they waited for people to get or not get COVID19. I presume this just means the people just went about their lives and caught it “in the wild” if they did catch it, rather than them all having some virus seeded up their noses. It seems possible to me that people involved in such a trial may adjust their behaviour in ways which may affect their chances of catching the thing. I doubt it would be ethically allowed to actually try physically to infect thousands of people.

Also probably need to know where the participants are. If it was multicentre and in different countries, exposure to the virus will be varied.

And from the news pieces, the looked at symptomatic. What about the asymptomatics, of which there are apparently a lot.

That’s better.

It was tested in several countries including a former north American British colony.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-what-you-need-to-know-coronavirus/12866750

I’m unhappy this was announced by press release. It’s not peer reviewed. I can’t find any information about how exactly the testing was done. Apparently some people got the vaccine and some got saline injections. And then they waited for people to get or not get COVID19. I presume this just means the people just went about their lives and caught it “in the wild” if they did catch it, rather than them all having some virus seeded up their noses. It seems possible to me that people involved in such a trial may adjust their behaviour in ways which may affect their chances of catching the thing. I doubt it would be ethically allowed to actually try physically to infect thousands of people.

Also probably need to know where the participants are. If it was multicentre and in different countries, exposure to the virus will be varied.

And from the news pieces, the looked at symptomatic. What about the asymptomatics, of which there are apparently a lot.

That’s better.

It was tested in several countries including a former north American British colony.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-what-you-need-to-know-coronavirus/12866750

I’m unhappy this was announced by press release. It’s not peer reviewed. I can’t find any information about how exactly the testing was done. Apparently some people got the vaccine and some got saline injections. And then they waited for people to get or not get COVID19. I presume this just means the people just went about their lives and caught it “in the wild” if they did catch it, rather than them all having some virus seeded up their noses. It seems possible to me that people involved in such a trial may adjust their behaviour in ways which may affect their chances of catching the thing. I doubt it would be ethically allowed to actually try physically to infect thousands of people.

Also probably need to know where the participants are. If it was multicentre and in different countries, exposure to the virus will be varied.

And from the news pieces, the looked at symptomatic. What about the asymptomatics, of which there are apparently a lot.

That’s better.

> It’s not peer reviewed.

Excellent. Don’t waste weeks getting it peer reviewed. Delays due to peer review would murder a thousand people a day.

> I can’t find any information about how exactly the testing was done.

Of course not.

> And then they waited for people to get or not get COVID19. I presume this just means the people just went about their lives and caught it “in the wild” if they did catch it, rather than them all having some virus seeded up their noses.

Thank God for that. It is highly immoral to expose healthy people to live coronavirus in an artificial laboratory environment. To deliberately try to make people die. Like Dr Mengele.

The greatest influence on air pollution of lockdown is oxides of nitrogen (car exhausts, smog)
We know that.

mollwollfumble said:

The greatest influence on air pollution of lockdown is oxides of nitrogen (car exhausts, smog)
We know that.

so COVID-19 pandemics are good for respiratory health

Federal Government in talks to expand coronavirus travel bubble beyond New Zealand to some parts of Asia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/australia-in-talks-to-expand-travel-bubble-to-some-parts-of-asia/12868774

Mr Morrison said the Government was looking at how it might expand that travel bubble beyond New Zealand to include other countries which have effectively controlled COVID-19.

“The situation in Europe and the United States is awful, and obviously that presents great risks for people coming in from those parts of the world to Australia,” he said.

“But out of many parts of Asia, particularly in North Asia, places like Taiwan and I would also say provinces of China, Singapore . . . looking at what alternative arrangements could be had to channel visitors through appropriate quarantine arrangements for low-risk countries.”

mmm North Asian Singapore, mmm

SCIENCE said:

Federal Government in talks to expand coronavirus travel bubble beyond New Zealand to some parts of Asia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/australia-in-talks-to-expand-travel-bubble-to-some-parts-of-asia/12868774

Mr Morrison said the Government was looking at how it might expand that travel bubble beyond New Zealand to include other countries which have effectively controlled COVID-19.

“The situation in Europe and the United States is awful, and obviously that presents great risks for people coming in from those parts of the world to Australia,” he said.

“But out of many parts of Asia, particularly in North Asia, places like Taiwan and I would also say provinces of China, Singapore . . . looking at what alternative arrangements could be had to channel visitors through appropriate quarantine arrangements for low-risk countries.”

mmm North Asian Singapore, mmm

I have no covid stats from Cape Chelyuskin

Twelfth day of 00 for Vic.

We’re within a bee’s dick of elimination!

Rule 303 said:

Twelfth day of 00 for Vic.

We’re within a bee’s dick of elimination!

Until internationals come in again.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Twelfth day of 00 for Vic.

We’re within a bee’s dick of elimination!

Until internationals come in again.

We couldn’t stuff up Quarantine again, could we?

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Twelfth day of 00 for Vic.

We’re within a bee’s dick of elimination!

Until internationals come in again.

We couldn’t stuff up Quarantine again, could we?

It’s going to have to be quarantine for all incomers for a looong time if elimination is your goal. Like years.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Until internationals come in again.

We couldn’t stuff up Quarantine again, could we?

It’s going to have to be quarantine for all incomers for a looong time if elimination is your goal. Like years.

I would support turning Dame Phyllis Frost Correctional Facility, which is just around the corner from Tullamarine airport, into a semi-permanent Quarantine facility. It would sit under Border Security, and be staffed by the same people who run the quarantine at Tulla.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

We couldn’t stuff up Quarantine again, could we?

It’s going to have to be quarantine for all incomers for a looong time if elimination is your goal. Like years.

I would support turning Dame Phyllis Frost Correctional Facility, which is just around the corner from Tullamarine airport, into a semi-permanent Quarantine facility. It would sit under Border Security, and be staffed by the same people who run the quarantine at Tulla.

Sounds good to me. But we seem to be the old fashioned ones around here.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

It’s going to have to be quarantine for all incomers for a looong time if elimination is your goal. Like years.

I would support turning Dame Phyllis Frost Correctional Facility, which is just around the corner from Tullamarine airport, into a semi-permanent Quarantine facility. It would sit under Border Security, and be staffed by the same people who run the quarantine at Tulla.

Sounds good to me. But we seem to be the old fashioned ones around here.

Yeah, but it’s nice to be right occasionally.

;-)

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I would support turning Dame Phyllis Frost Correctional Facility, which is just around the corner from Tullamarine airport, into a semi-permanent Quarantine facility. It would sit under Border Security, and be staffed by the same people who run the quarantine at Tulla.

Sounds good to me. But we seem to be the old fashioned ones around here.

Yeah, but it’s nice to be right occasionally.

;-)

Look, you two, governments of all stripes everywhere have spent decades divesting themselves of various institutions (‘returning inmates to the community’), diverting the savings towards more politically-worthy causes, and flogging off the real estate to their developer mates.

Now you propose that this all be turned on its head ,and that government get back in the instution business.

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Sounds good to me. But we seem to be the old fashioned ones around here.

Yeah, but it’s nice to be right occasionally.

;-)

Look, you two, governments of all stripes everywhere have spent decades divesting themselves of various institutions (‘returning inmates to the community’), diverting the savings towards more politically-worthy causes, and flogging off the real estate to their developer mates.

Now you propose that this all be turned on its head ,and that government get back in the instution business.

Yes.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

Yeah, but it’s nice to be right occasionally.

;-)

Look, you two, governments of all stripes everywhere have spent decades divesting themselves of various institutions (‘returning inmates to the community’), diverting the savings towards more politically-worthy causes, and flogging off the real estate to their developer mates.

Now you propose that this all be turned on its head ,and that government get back in the instution business.

Yes.

Well, i ask you: where’s the money in that?

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I would support turning Dame Phyllis Frost Correctional Facility, which is just around the corner from Tullamarine airport, into a semi-permanent Quarantine facility. It would sit under Border Security, and be staffed by the same people who run the quarantine at Tulla.

Sounds good to me. But we seem to be the old fashioned ones around here.

Yeah, but it’s nice to be right occasionally.

;-)

You both have my vote.

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Sounds good to me. But we seem to be the old fashioned ones around here.

Yeah, but it’s nice to be right occasionally.

;-)

Look, you two, governments of all stripes everywhere have spent decades divesting themselves of various institutions (‘returning inmates to the community’), diverting the savings towards more politically-worthy causes, and flogging off the real estate to their developer mates.

Now you propose that this all be turned on its head ,and that government get back in the instution business.

It’s not so revolutionary as you make it sound. Dame Phyllis Frost if full of Corrections Vic staff already.

(I don’t know exactly what the current state/private split is, but I’m aware they’ve had private contractors providing transport, food, laundry etc etc)

1346 dead yesterday in the USA, the highest daily count since August.

Study identifies new ‘hidden’ gene in COVID-19 virus

Researchers have discovered a new “hidden” gene in SARS-CoV-2—the virus that causes COVID-19—that may have contributed to its unique biology and pandemic potential. In a virus that only has about 15 genes in total, knowing more about this and other overlapping genes—or “genes within genes“—could have a significant impact on how we combat the virus. The new gene is described today in the journal eLife.

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Study identifies new ‘hidden’ gene in COVID-19 virus

Researchers have discovered a new “hidden” gene in SARS-CoV-2—the virus that causes COVID-19—that may have contributed to its unique biology and pandemic potential. In a virus that only has about 15 genes in total, knowing more about this and other overlapping genes—or “genes within genes“—could have a significant impact on how we combat the virus. The new gene is described today in the journal eLife.

more…

Viruses that keep changing like that alien from Alien.

Now We Know How Dirty-Tricks-Dan Did It

Victoria has recorded no new cases of coronavirus or deaths for the 12th straight day, but several locations in Melbourne have been listed on a government coronavirus watch list. Instead, they export their cases and let South Australia deal with the fallout.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-11/woman-tests-positive-covid-19-in-sa-despite-all-clear/12872286

A woman has tested positive to COVID-19 in South Australia after returning from Victoria, despite getting the all-clear for the coronavirus earlier this year. Two Nine News staff members have been sent home to self-isolate after being classified by SA Health as “casual contacts” of the woman. The journalist and camera operator briefly interviewed her as she came through Adelaide Airport on Monday, before she entered hotel quarantine and received the positive diagnosis.

SCIENCE said:

Now We Know How Dirty-Tricks-Dan Did It

Victoria has recorded no new cases of coronavirus or deaths for the 12th straight day, but several locations in Melbourne have been listed on a government coronavirus watch list. Instead, they export their cases and let South Australia deal with the fallout.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-11/woman-tests-positive-covid-19-in-sa-despite-all-clear/12872286

A woman has tested positive to COVID-19 in South Australia after returning from Victoria, despite getting the all-clear for the coronavirus earlier this year. Two Nine News staff members have been sent home to self-isolate after being classified by SA Health as “casual contacts” of the woman. The journalist and camera operator briefly interviewed her as she came through Adelaide Airport on Monday, before she entered hotel quarantine and received the positive diagnosis.

Where are you getting this from? This representation is not even recognisable as being the same bloke who just released this statement:

Dan Andrews

The scars of this pandemic won’t just disappear when the virus goes away. And if we want to truly recover, we need to not just build big – but care strong too.

That’s why today we announced over $235 million to employ, train and upskill a Recovery Workforce of mental health professionals, disability support staff and child protection workers – and create 500 new jobs.

That includes developing 240 Family Violence and Sexual Assault trainees, and providing funding to retrain Victorian nurses in mental health.

We’re providing new child psychiatry registrar positions for junior doctors, and almost 100 new alcohol and drug recovery coordinators.

And we know that those who’ve been through it, understand it best – that’s why we’re training and deploying a lived experience workforce of Victorians who’ve tackled mental health in their own lives, to help those doing it tough right now.

We’re working with Victorian Aboriginal health services too, and creating a $40 million fund to enable Aboriginal healthcare providers across Victoria to support and care for their communities.

And because every Victorian child deserves to feel safe and cared for, over $132 million will massively expand our state’s child protection workforce too – boosting their capacity to protect and improve the wellbeing and safety of Victorian kids and their families.

For too many Victorians, going back to ‘how things were’ before the pandemic means going back to an unsafe home or inaccessible mental health care. And that’s just not good enough.

As a state we’ll come out of this stronger than ever – but only if we bring everyone along with us.

Rule 303 said:

SCIENCE said:

Now We Know How Dirty-Tricks-Dan Did It

Victoria has recorded no new cases of coronavirus or deaths for the 12th straight day, but several locations in Melbourne have been listed on a government coronavirus watch list. Instead, they export their cases and let South Australia deal with the fallout.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-11/woman-tests-positive-covid-19-in-sa-despite-all-clear/12872286

A woman has tested positive to COVID-19 in South Australia after returning from Victoria, despite getting the all-clear for the coronavirus earlier this year. Two Nine News staff members have been sent home to self-isolate after being classified by SA Health as “casual contacts” of the woman. The journalist and camera operator briefly interviewed her as she came through Adelaide Airport on Monday, before she entered hotel quarantine and received the positive diagnosis.

Where are you getting this from? This representation is not even recognisable as being the same bloke who just released this statement:

Dan Andrews

The scars of this pandemic won’t just disappear when the virus goes away. And if we want to truly recover, we need to not just build big – but care strong too.

As a state we’ll come out of this stronger than ever – but only if we bring everyone along with us.

Fair concern — sorry* about the extreme representations we have made on these matters. Please be assured that we actually almost fully support the public health response that was executed in Victoria.

*: yes we know apologies are not the done thing here so instead let’s just say everyone can FOAD

We shall endeavour to pull back the level of ridiculous (and sarcasm and caricature and ironisation) at least for this subject — seems like Australia has it mostly under control so we can chill a bit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-12/victoria-records-0-coronavirus-deaths-cases-again/12874988

Victoria has recorded zero new coronavirus cases and no deaths for the thirteenth straight day, the state’s health department says.

There are three active cases of the virus, down from four yesterday, and two people remain in hospital.

The rolling 14-day average of new cases per day in Melbourne has now fallen to 0.1, while in regional Victoria it remains at zero.

There is just one ‘mystery’ case with an unknown source of infection.

The ABC article leads with this image but it is unclear what meaning it adds to the message.

The shot that rang across the world

Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine is the start of the end of the pandemic
Its 90% effectiveness is as good as it gets, and bodes well for other vaccines. But getting them quickly to the right people will be hard

Science & technology
Nov 9th 2020

DURING THIS coronavirus-blighted year, through many difficult days of isolation and fear, the world has hoped for better times. It has hoped for better treatments for covid-19, faster testing and better understanding of how SARS-CoV-2 wreaks havoc on the human body. Many of those things have arrived. But one hope in particular has been uppermost: that a vaccine may be found. Its fulfilment seems to be in sight.

On November 9th Pfizer and BioNTech, two pharmaceutical firms, announced that the vaccine on which they have been collaborating is more than 90% effective in preventing symptomatic cases of covid-19. This is an astonishing result for a first-generation vaccine. Many had not dared to hope for efficacy of anything over 70%.

The news sent Pfizer’s shares leaping by 15% and the much smaller BioNTech’s by 24% when America’s stockmarket opened. The broader belief that a vaccine might return life to something like normal pushed the S&P 500 up by 3.6%, on course for a record high. Shares in airlines and banks climbed; those of Cineworld, a cinema chain, jumped by more than 50%. Europe’s leading markets had already risen by between 5% and 8%.

Richard Hatchett, the head of CEPI, a foundation that funds research into vaccines for pandemics, said the results were “hugely positive and encouraging”. He added that they increase the probability that many of the other vaccines that are being pursued would also be successful. This matters, because one covid vaccine will not be enough, not least because the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, labelled BNT162b2, needs to be kept ultracold, and global distribution will be difficult. It also requires two jabs, three weeks apart. Many governments will be hoping for a vaccine that can be kept at something closer to room temperature, and which requires only a single dose.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine relies on a technology known as messenger RNA, or mRNA. The jab injects genetic material from the virus into the body, which uses this material to create a protein normally seen on the surface of covid virus particles, which in turn stimulates the immune system. It is being tested on an ethnically diverse group of 43,000 people, and the trial is not yet complete. The results announced so far are based on an interim analysis conducted by an independent data-monitoring group. The firms plan to submit their data for review in a scientific publication. It is possible that the efficacy estimate could change, as further data are gathered. That said, the results are sufficiently remarkable that it is unlikely that the final outcome will be anything other than an extremely useful vaccine.

Three important questions about the vaccine remain. One is the extent to which it works in elderly people, one of the groups most vulnerable to covid-19, and who may not respond as well. Another is whether it prevents infectiousness (it remains possible that a vaccine could prevent someone from getting the symptoms of covid-19, but not from spreading it to others). And its long-term efficacy is entirely unknown.

Even so, there is little doubt that the findings are enormously positive. Moreover, Pfizer says that no serious safety concerns have arisen in the trials under way, although further efficacy data are being collected.

News about two more vaccines, from AstraZeneca, another big pharma company, with a team at Oxford University, and Moderna, an American biotechnology company, is also expected in the coming weeks. The AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine is already known to stimulate a good immune response in the elderly. Even if Pfizer’s vaccine does not do so well in this group, therefore, there is a good chance that another will do this job.

In short, the arrival of vaccines to tame the pandemic is now within reach. But it will take time. The next step will be for Pfizer to apply for emergency authorisation for the vaccine in America and Europe. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has a process for allowing such authorisations to be used in countries without regulatory agencies. The application for BNT162b2 will have to wait until the third week of November. Pfizer will not apply until it has gathered two months of safety data from participants in the trial. Agencies might authorise it for use in high-risk groups (eg, hospital doctors and nurses) by the end of the year, pending further safety data; broader approval could come in the first quarter of 2021. Supplies of vaccines will also be limited at first, even though mass manufacturing of BNT162b2 has been under way since October. Current projections suggest 50m vaccine doses will be available in 2020, and 1.3bn in 2021.

There are also formidable distributional challenges ahead. The world has never undertaken vaccination on such a large scale. UNICEF, the UN’s children’s agency, will be one of the bodies leading the global distribution of covid-19 vaccines. It says that annually it procures 600m-800m syringes for routine childhood immunisations and that the demands of covid are likely to treble or quadruple this number. Both UNICEF and the WHO are mapping the global availability of cold-chain storage capacity in order to help countries receive vaccines.

In the longer term, vaccine efficacies of 90% will make it feasible to generate herd immunity. If enough people take such an efficacious vaccine, then those who do not or cannot will be protected too. In the short term, though, the priority is for the world to do a good job of targeting vaccine shots to where they are most needed. This will help control the pandemic and ensure a speedier recovery of the world economy. Travel and trade can also return to something approaching normal.

There is one other wrinkle in an efficacy of 90%: it is as close to complete protection as vaccinology can muster. It becomes an essential tool for doctors, nurses and social workers, enabling them to do their jobs with less fear. People in many other professions will feel the same, but they will have to be patient and wait their turn.

And there is one other cause for celebrating. The mRNA approach that Pfizer and BioNTech are using has never been shown to work in humans before. The data gathered from the large-scale trials of this “platform” technology mean the firms can quickly and easily make minor revisions to the mRNA sequence, thus changing the proteins the body develops immunity to. This means that if new strains of covid-19 emerge, appropriate revisions of the vaccine could be created rapidly to contain it.

Even after it gains regulatory approval, it is likely to be several months until the vaccine’s effect on the pandemic will be felt. But this marks the beginning of the end.

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/11/09/pfizers-and-biontechs-vaccine-is-the-start-of-the-end-of-the-pandemic?

Witty Rejoinder said:

The shot that rang across the world

Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine is the start of the end of the pandemic
Its 90% effectiveness is as good as it gets, and bodes well for other vaccines. But getting them quickly to the right people will be hard

Science & technology
Nov 9th 2020

DURING THIS coronavirus-blighted year, through many difficult days of isolation and fear, the world has hoped for better times. It has hoped for better treatments for covid-19, faster testing and better understanding of how SARS-CoV-2 wreaks havoc on the human body. Many of those things have arrived. But one hope in particular has been uppermost: that a vaccine may be found. Its fulfilment seems to be in sight.

On November 9th Pfizer and BioNTech, two pharmaceutical firms, announced that the vaccine on which they have been collaborating is more than 90% effective in preventing symptomatic cases of covid-19. This is an astonishing result for a first-generation vaccine. Many had not dared to hope for efficacy of anything over 70%.

The news sent Pfizer’s shares leaping by 15% and the much smaller BioNTech’s by 24% when America’s stockmarket opened. The broader belief that a vaccine might return life to something like normal pushed the S&P 500 up by 3.6%, on course for a record high. Shares in airlines and banks climbed; those of Cineworld, a cinema chain, jumped by more than 50%. Europe’s leading markets had already risen by between 5% and 8%.

Richard Hatchett, the head of CEPI, a foundation that funds research into vaccines for pandemics, said the results were “hugely positive and encouraging”. He added that they increase the probability that many of the other vaccines that are being pursued would also be successful. This matters, because one covid vaccine will not be enough, not least because the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, labelled BNT162b2, needs to be kept ultracold, and global distribution will be difficult. It also requires two jabs, three weeks apart. Many governments will be hoping for a vaccine that can be kept at something closer to room temperature, and which requires only a single dose.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine relies on a technology known as messenger RNA, or mRNA. The jab injects genetic material from the virus into the body, which uses this material to create a protein normally seen on the surface of covid virus particles, which in turn stimulates the immune system. It is being tested on an ethnically diverse group of 43,000 people, and the trial is not yet complete. The results announced so far are based on an interim analysis conducted by an independent data-monitoring group. The firms plan to submit their data for review in a scientific publication. It is possible that the efficacy estimate could change, as further data are gathered. That said, the results are sufficiently remarkable that it is unlikely that the final outcome will be anything other than an extremely useful vaccine.

Three important questions about the vaccine remain. One is the extent to which it works in elderly people, one of the groups most vulnerable to covid-19, and who may not respond as well. Another is whether it prevents infectiousness (it remains possible that a vaccine could prevent someone from getting the symptoms of covid-19, but not from spreading it to others). And its long-term efficacy is entirely unknown.

Even so, there is little doubt that the findings are enormously positive. Moreover, Pfizer says that no serious safety concerns have arisen in the trials under way, although further efficacy data are being collected.

News about two more vaccines, from AstraZeneca, another big pharma company, with a team at Oxford University, and Moderna, an American biotechnology company, is also expected in the coming weeks. The AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine is already known to stimulate a good immune response in the elderly. Even if Pfizer’s vaccine does not do so well in this group, therefore, there is a good chance that another will do this job.

In short, the arrival of vaccines to tame the pandemic is now within reach. But it will take time. The next step will be for Pfizer to apply for emergency authorisation for the vaccine in America and Europe. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has a process for allowing such authorisations to be used in countries without regulatory agencies. The application for BNT162b2 will have to wait until the third week of November. Pfizer will not apply until it has gathered two months of safety data from participants in the trial. Agencies might authorise it for use in high-risk groups (eg, hospital doctors and nurses) by the end of the year, pending further safety data; broader approval could come in the first quarter of 2021. Supplies of vaccines will also be limited at first, even though mass manufacturing of BNT162b2 has been under way since October. Current projections suggest 50m vaccine doses will be available in 2020, and 1.3bn in 2021.

There are also formidable distributional challenges ahead. The world has never undertaken vaccination on such a large scale. UNICEF, the UN’s children’s agency, will be one of the bodies leading the global distribution of covid-19 vaccines. It says that annually it procures 600m-800m syringes for routine childhood immunisations and that the demands of covid are likely to treble or quadruple this number. Both UNICEF and the WHO are mapping the global availability of cold-chain storage capacity in order to help countries receive vaccines.

In the longer term, vaccine efficacies of 90% will make it feasible to generate herd immunity. If enough people take such an efficacious vaccine, then those who do not or cannot will be protected too. In the short term, though, the priority is for the world to do a good job of targeting vaccine shots to where they are most needed. This will help control the pandemic and ensure a speedier recovery of the world economy. Travel and trade can also return to something approaching normal.

There is one other wrinkle in an efficacy of 90%: it is as close to complete protection as vaccinology can muster. It becomes an essential tool for doctors, nurses and social workers, enabling them to do their jobs with less fear. People in many other professions will feel the same, but they will have to be patient and wait their turn.

And there is one other cause for celebrating. The mRNA approach that Pfizer and BioNTech are using has never been shown to work in humans before. The data gathered from the large-scale trials of this “platform” technology mean the firms can quickly and easily make minor revisions to the mRNA sequence, thus changing the proteins the body develops immunity to. This means that if new strains of covid-19 emerge, appropriate revisions of the vaccine could be created rapidly to contain it.

Even after it gains regulatory approval, it is likely to be several months until the vaccine’s effect on the pandemic will be felt. But this marks the beginning of the end.

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/11/09/pfizers-and-biontechs-vaccine-is-the-start-of-the-end-of-the-pandemic?

Good news until the next mutation….

Witty Rejoinder said:

Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine is the start of the end of the pandemic
Its 90% effectiveness is as good as it gets, and bodes well for other vaccines. But getting them quickly to the right people will be hard

Rich folks first!

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The shot that rang across the world

Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine is the start of the end of the pandemic
Its 90% effectiveness is as good as it gets, and bodes well for other vaccines. But getting them quickly to the right people will be hard

Science & technology
Nov 9th 2020

DURING THIS coronavirus-blighted year, through many difficult days of isolation and fear, the world has hoped for better times. It has hoped for better treatments for covid-19, faster testing and better understanding of how SARS-CoV-2 wreaks havoc on the human body. Many of those things have arrived. But one hope in particular has been uppermost: that a vaccine may be found. Its fulfilment seems to be in sight.

On November 9th Pfizer and BioNTech, two pharmaceutical firms, announced that the vaccine on which they have been collaborating is more than 90% effective in preventing symptomatic cases of covid-19. This is an astonishing result for a first-generation vaccine. Many had not dared to hope for efficacy of anything over 70%.

The news sent Pfizer’s shares leaping by 15% and the much smaller BioNTech’s by 24% when America’s stockmarket opened. The broader belief that a vaccine might return life to something like normal pushed the S&P 500 up by 3.6%, on course for a record high. Shares in airlines and banks climbed; those of Cineworld, a cinema chain, jumped by more than 50%. Europe’s leading markets had already risen by between 5% and 8%.

Richard Hatchett, the head of CEPI, a foundation that funds research into vaccines for pandemics, said the results were “hugely positive and encouraging”. He added that they increase the probability that many of the other vaccines that are being pursued would also be successful. This matters, because one covid vaccine will not be enough, not least because the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, labelled BNT162b2, needs to be kept ultracold, and global distribution will be difficult. It also requires two jabs, three weeks apart. Many governments will be hoping for a vaccine that can be kept at something closer to room temperature, and which requires only a single dose.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine relies on a technology known as messenger RNA, or mRNA. The jab injects genetic material from the virus into the body, which uses this material to create a protein normally seen on the surface of covid virus particles, which in turn stimulates the immune system. It is being tested on an ethnically diverse group of 43,000 people, and the trial is not yet complete. The results announced so far are based on an interim analysis conducted by an independent data-monitoring group. The firms plan to submit their data for review in a scientific publication. It is possible that the efficacy estimate could change, as further data are gathered. That said, the results are sufficiently remarkable that it is unlikely that the final outcome will be anything other than an extremely useful vaccine.

Three important questions about the vaccine remain. One is the extent to which it works in elderly people, one of the groups most vulnerable to covid-19, and who may not respond as well. Another is whether it prevents infectiousness (it remains possible that a vaccine could prevent someone from getting the symptoms of covid-19, but not from spreading it to others). And its long-term efficacy is entirely unknown.

Even so, there is little doubt that the findings are enormously positive. Moreover, Pfizer says that no serious safety concerns have arisen in the trials under way, although further efficacy data are being collected.

News about two more vaccines, from AstraZeneca, another big pharma company, with a team at Oxford University, and Moderna, an American biotechnology company, is also expected in the coming weeks. The AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine is already known to stimulate a good immune response in the elderly. Even if Pfizer’s vaccine does not do so well in this group, therefore, there is a good chance that another will do this job.

In short, the arrival of vaccines to tame the pandemic is now within reach. But it will take time. The next step will be for Pfizer to apply for emergency authorisation for the vaccine in America and Europe. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has a process for allowing such authorisations to be used in countries without regulatory agencies. The application for BNT162b2 will have to wait until the third week of November. Pfizer will not apply until it has gathered two months of safety data from participants in the trial. Agencies might authorise it for use in high-risk groups (eg, hospital doctors and nurses) by the end of the year, pending further safety data; broader approval could come in the first quarter of 2021. Supplies of vaccines will also be limited at first, even though mass manufacturing of BNT162b2 has been under way since October. Current projections suggest 50m vaccine doses will be available in 2020, and 1.3bn in 2021.

There are also formidable distributional challenges ahead. The world has never undertaken vaccination on such a large scale. UNICEF, the UN’s children’s agency, will be one of the bodies leading the global distribution of covid-19 vaccines. It says that annually it procures 600m-800m syringes for routine childhood immunisations and that the demands of covid are likely to treble or quadruple this number. Both UNICEF and the WHO are mapping the global availability of cold-chain storage capacity in order to help countries receive vaccines.

In the longer term, vaccine efficacies of 90% will make it feasible to generate herd immunity. If enough people take such an efficacious vaccine, then those who do not or cannot will be protected too. In the short term, though, the priority is for the world to do a good job of targeting vaccine shots to where they are most needed. This will help control the pandemic and ensure a speedier recovery of the world economy. Travel and trade can also return to something approaching normal.

There is one other wrinkle in an efficacy of 90%: it is as close to complete protection as vaccinology can muster. It becomes an essential tool for doctors, nurses and social workers, enabling them to do their jobs with less fear. People in many other professions will feel the same, but they will have to be patient and wait their turn.

And there is one other cause for celebrating. The mRNA approach that Pfizer and BioNTech are using has never been shown to work in humans before. The data gathered from the large-scale trials of this “platform” technology mean the firms can quickly and easily make minor revisions to the mRNA sequence, thus changing the proteins the body develops immunity to. This means that if new strains of covid-19 emerge, appropriate revisions of the vaccine could be created rapidly to contain it.

Even after it gains regulatory approval, it is likely to be several months until the vaccine’s effect on the pandemic will be felt. But this marks the beginning of the end.

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/11/09/pfizers-and-biontechs-vaccine-is-the-start-of-the-end-of-the-pandemic?

Good news until the next mutation….

I heard somewhere yesterday that this vaccine needs to be stored at -70 C, Which is well below the -18 to -20 C of your average household freezer. So it is going to take quite a bit of investment in specialist new freezers to set up a distribution network for this, not to mention transport vehicles. You probably wont be able to get it at your local chemist or GP clinic, more likely you’ll have to go to a hospital. Going to make it hard to set up distribution in less developed countries.

Going to make it hard to set up distribution in less developed countries.

Will people care

Cymek said:

Going to make it hard to set up distribution in less developed countries.

Will people care

Yes, I am sure they will.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine is the start of the end of the pandemic
Its 90% effectiveness is as good as it gets, and bodes well for other vaccines. But getting them quickly to the right people will be hard

Rich folks first!

It’s trickle-down vaccinomics.

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine is the start of the end of the pandemic
Its 90% effectiveness is as good as it gets, and bodes well for other vaccines. But getting them quickly to the right people will be hard

Rich folks first!

It’s trickle-down vaccinomics.

I expect that rich folk don’t really need it, they are in their little bubbles. What they will want is for their minimum wage factory workers to get it so they can go back to making money…

furious said:

I expect that rich folk don’t really need it, they are in their little bubbles.

Rich people have a lot of stuff they don’t ‘need’.

One thing they have is a strong concept of their own importance. This will drive them to acquire vaccination as early as possible.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Pfizer’s and BioNTech’s vaccine is the start of the end of the pandemic
Its 90% effectiveness is as good as it gets, and bodes well for other vaccines. But getting them quickly to the right people will be hard

Rich folks first!

Oh, no. Got to try it on the disposable people first, because most of the side effects of medications don’t show up until they have been put into general use.

(That may be unduly cynical. But I remember hearing about the early trials of surgical correction of short sightedness were carried out for free in some slum areas in South America. For free. Guinea pigs. I was a bit shocked, actually, way back then.)

Red Scion These Communists Accusing Those Communists Of Being The Other Communists

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/11/02/like-north-korea-swedens-covid-critics-silenced/

SCIENCE said:

Help me out here, what am I supposed to be taking out of this picture?

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Help me out here, what am I supposed to be taking out of this picture?

Norway’s fucked.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Help me out here, what am I supposed to be taking out of this picture?

Sweden was the herd immunity succes story.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Help me out here, what am I supposed to be taking out of this picture?

Sweden was the herd immunity succes story.

SUCCESS

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Help me out here, what am I supposed to be taking out of this picture?

Sweden was the herd immunity succes story.

SUCCESS

What’s more impressive is that they manage to achieve all that despite avoiding testing especially the sicker someone is.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Sweden was the herd immunity succes story.

SUCCESS

What’s more impressive is that they manage to achieve all that despite avoiding testing especially the sicker someone is.

Will it help if we send them masks and hand sanitizers ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

SUCCESS

What’s more impressive is that they manage to achieve all that despite avoiding testing especially the sicker someone is.

Will it help if we send them masks and hand sanitizers ?

They’ve banned masks…

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Help me out here, what am I supposed to be taking out of this picture?

Sweden was the herd immunity succes story.

SUCCESS

I suppoe Roger in sweden will go back to talking about chemtrails now.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

SUCCESS

What’s more impressive is that they manage to achieve all that despite avoiding testing especially the sicker someone is.

Will it help if we send them masks and hand sanitizers ?

No. or at least probably not.

I asked about the sewage testing last week or the week before. Now the ABC has done a piece on it.

Seems to me that if you can find the virus in a 100ml sample taken from a 500ml sample, there must be a heap of it in the sewage. Considering the volume of sewage in a city system. Suggests to me that there is likely quite a lot of people shedding. Otherwise it’s rather needle in a haystack.

“The 500ml sample is given “a very good shake” to make sure it is mixed and a 100ml sample is taken from that. “

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/covid-sewage-testing-makes-inroads-in-coronavirus-response/12875682

Does this suggest a quite large pool of asymptomatics?

Deaths seem to be fewer than in their first wave.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Cases started rising around October 6. The deaths should have been showing by now if they were going to be knocking off a lot again.

buffy said:

I asked about the sewage testing last week or the week before. Now the ABC has done a piece on it.

Seems to me that if you can find the virus in a 100ml sample taken from a 500ml sample, there must be a heap of it in the sewage. Considering the volume of sewage in a city system. Suggests to me that there is likely quite a lot of people shedding. Otherwise it’s rather needle in a haystack.

“The 500ml sample is given “a very good shake” to make sure it is mixed and a 100ml sample is taken from that. “

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/covid-sewage-testing-makes-inroads-in-coronavirus-response/12875682

Does this suggest a quite large pool of asymptomatics?

Yes, which is why Testing needs to be continued well past the zero cases time frame.

So many unclean countries now, which will impact their tourism industry for a while

America
India
Brazil
France
Russia
Spain
United Kingdom
Argentina
Columbia
Italy

Tau.Neutrino said:

So many unclean countries now, which will impact their tourism industry for a while

America
India
Brazil
France
Russia
Spain
United Kingdom
Argentina
Columbia
Italy

If they had gone into lockdown sooner their tourism industry would have recovered more quickly.

buffy said:

I asked about the sewage testing last week or the week before. Now the ABC has done a piece on it.

Seems to me that if you can find the virus in a 100ml sample taken from a 500ml sample, there must be a heap of it in the sewage. Considering the volume of sewage in a city system. Suggests to me that there is likely quite a lot of people shedding. Otherwise it’s rather needle in a haystack.

“The 500ml sample is given “a very good shake” to make sure it is mixed and a 100ml sample is taken from that. “

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/covid-sewage-testing-makes-inroads-in-coronavirus-response/12875682

Does this suggest a quite large pool of asymptomatics?

It’s hard to hide from PCR regardless of sample size.

Ivanka and Jared pull kids out of private school as parents complain the couple were flouting COVID-safe rules at the White House.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/jared-and-ivanka-pull-kids-from-school-after-parents-complained-they-flouted-covid19-rules-at-white-house/news-story/521b1586f743a64390d745bf4b5f4a60

TIL those kids are Jewish. I guess Ivanka must have become Jewish before her marriage?

Divine Angel said:

Ivanka and Jared pull kids out of private school as parents complain the couple were flouting COVID-safe rules at the White House.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/jared-and-ivanka-pull-kids-from-school-after-parents-complained-they-flouted-covid19-rules-at-white-house/news-story/521b1586f743a64390d745bf4b5f4a60

TIL those kids are Jewish. I guess Ivanka must have become Jewish before her marriage?

Yes.

Divine Angel said:

Ivanka and Jared pull kids out of private school as parents complain the couple were flouting COVID-safe rules at the White House.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/jared-and-ivanka-pull-kids-from-school-after-parents-complained-they-flouted-covid19-rules-at-white-house/news-story/521b1586f743a64390d745bf4b5f4a60

TIL those kids are Jewish. I guess Ivanka must have become Jewish before her marriage?

Is that kosher?

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Ivanka and Jared pull kids out of private school as parents complain the couple were flouting COVID-safe rules at the White House.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/jared-and-ivanka-pull-kids-from-school-after-parents-complained-they-flouted-covid19-rules-at-white-house/news-story/521b1586f743a64390d745bf4b5f4a60

TIL those kids are Jewish. I guess Ivanka must have become Jewish before her marriage?

Is that kosher?

Goyim shiksas…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

So many unclean countries now, which will impact their tourism industry for a while

America
India
Brazil
France
Russia
Spain
United Kingdom
Argentina
Columbia
Italy

If they had gone into lockdown sooner their tourism industry would have recovered more quickly.

don’t worry everyone went back where they came from, the world is better for it

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

So many unclean countries now, which will impact their tourism industry for a while

America
India
Brazil
France
Russia
Spain
United Kingdom
Argentina
Columbia
Italy

If they had gone into lockdown sooner their tourism industry would have recovered more quickly.

don’t worry everyone went back where they came from, the world is better for it

It’s the Greens spreading Covid to reduce global population.

His research has found there are “state actors” involved in propagating false information about the virus.

“We have tracked pro-Russian vaccine disinformation from Eastern Ukraine into a prominent anti-vax Facebook group here in Australia,” he said.
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While Dr Wallis acknowledged the links were not always direct, “you can track narrative and the impacts on audiences as far away as here in Australia”.

And it is not just foreign government agents trying to spread misinformation online.

Dr Wallis said extremist groups, from Islamic State to far-right political organisations, were “increasingly adapt at using social media environments to target mainstream audiences with narratives and perspectives that are outside the bounds of healthy political discourse”.

He has some simple tips for avoiding misinformation online.

“Just taking some critical distance, checking the source, reading content before we share it, and retaining our own critical judgement about content that we see online,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/coronavirus-covid-19-online-misinformation-conspiracy-facebook/12839092

Rule 303 said:

Ha!

roughbarked said:

His research has found there are “state actors” involved in propagating false information about the virus.

“We have tracked pro-Russian vaccine disinformation from Eastern Ukraine into a prominent anti-vax Facebook group here in Australia,” he said.
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While Dr Wallis acknowledged the links were not always direct, “you can track narrative and the impacts on audiences as far away as here in Australia”.

And it is not just foreign government agents trying to spread misinformation online.

Dr Wallis said extremist groups, from Islamic State to far-right political organisations, were “increasingly adapt at using social media environments to target mainstream audiences with narratives and perspectives that are outside the bounds of healthy political discourse”.

He has some simple tips for avoiding misinformation online.

“Just taking some critical distance, checking the source, reading content before we share it, and retaining our own critical judgement about content that we see online,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/coronavirus-covid-19-online-misinformation-conspiracy-facebook/12839092

“Just taking some critical distance, checking the source, reading content before we share it, and retaining our own critical judgement about content that we see online,” he said.

Pffft! Not so likely…

roughbarked said:

His research has found there are “state actors” involved in propagating false information about the virus.

“We have tracked pro-Russian vaccine disinformation from Eastern Ukraine into a prominent anti-vax Facebook group here in Australia,” he said.
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While Dr Wallis acknowledged the links were not always direct, “you can track narrative and the impacts on audiences as far away as here in Australia”.

And it is not just foreign government agents trying to spread misinformation online.

Dr Wallis said extremist groups, from Islamic State to far-right political organisations, were “increasingly adapt at using social media environments to target mainstream audiences with narratives and perspectives that are outside the bounds of healthy political discourse”.

He has some simple tips for avoiding misinformation online.

“Just taking some critical distance, checking the source, reading content before we share it, and retaining our own critical judgement about content that we see online,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/coronavirus-covid-19-online-misinformation-conspiracy-facebook/12839092

We Are Not Surprised

the beautiful thing is how half the privileged, “developed” world are embracing it with open arms

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

If they had gone into lockdown sooner their tourism industry would have recovered more quickly.

don’t worry everyone went back where they came from, the world is better for it

It’s the Greens spreading Covid to reduce global population.

I dont find that funny. At all.

As hospitals in the state reach capacity and face dire staff shortages, North Dakota’s governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.

The order applies only to those who have asymptomatic cases, and the Covid-positive nurses will only be allowed to treat other Covid-19 patients. Still, some nurses worry that the practice might not be safe, and some health administrators in North Dakota are warning of burnout among hospital staff.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487

dv said:

As hospitals in the state reach capacity and face dire staff shortages, North Dakota’s governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.

The order applies only to those who have asymptomatic cases, and the Covid-positive nurses will only be allowed to treat other Covid-19 patients. Still, some nurses worry that the practice might not be safe, and some health administrators in North Dakota are warning of burnout among hospital staff.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487

Wasn’t it Belgium who came up with that cunning plan a few weeks ago?

sibeen said:

dv said:

As hospitals in the state reach capacity and face dire staff shortages, North Dakota’s governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.

The order applies only to those who have asymptomatic cases, and the Covid-positive nurses will only be allowed to treat other Covid-19 patients. Still, some nurses worry that the practice might not be safe, and some health administrators in North Dakota are warning of burnout among hospital staff.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487

Wasn’t it Belgium who came up with that cunning plan a few weeks ago?

I thought it was Baldrick who had the patent on cunning plans.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I asked about the sewage testing last week or the week before. Now the ABC has done a piece on it.

Seems to me that if you can find the virus in a 100ml sample taken from a 500ml sample, there must be a heap of it in the sewage. Considering the volume of sewage in a city system. Suggests to me that there is likely quite a lot of people shedding. Otherwise it’s rather needle in a haystack.

“The 500ml sample is given “a very good shake” to make sure it is mixed and a 100ml sample is taken from that. “

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/covid-sewage-testing-makes-inroads-in-coronavirus-response/12875682

Does this suggest a quite large pool of asymptomatics?

It’s hard to hide from PCR regardless of sample size.

But a 500ml sample from the system….each flush is 10l. And these are systems serving tens of thousands of people or more. It’s like a drop in an ocean. And then you get a bit of virus in it. Suggests to me there is Quite a Lot of virus in the system.

(Please excuse if this has already been discussed, I’ve been out all day. Catching up)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

You don’t have to read the whole thing, but this one has got very easily understood descriptions of how the PCR and antibody tests are done. The PCR strikes me as being rather like a reverse homeopathy routine.

If you do read the whole thing, go into the comments too for an explanation about why the Australian tests are more accurate than those in some other countries.

buffy said:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

You don’t have to read the whole thing, but this one has got very easily understood descriptions of how the PCR and antibody tests are done. The PCR strikes me as being rather like a reverse homeopathy routine.

If you do read the whole thing, go into the comments too for an explanation about why the Australian tests are more accurate than those in some other countries.

as in PCR is as useful as homeopathy, just turned around

or as in PCR is clearly useful, because the opposite, homeopathy is absolutely useless

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

You don’t have to read the whole thing, but this one has got very easily understood descriptions of how the PCR and antibody tests are done. The PCR strikes me as being rather like a reverse homeopathy routine.

If you do read the whole thing, go into the comments too for an explanation about why the Australian tests are more accurate than those in some other countries.

as in PCR is as useful as homeopathy, just turned around

or as in PCR is clearly useful, because the opposite, homeopathy is absolutely useless

Neither. It’s multiplication rather than dilution,

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

You don’t have to read the whole thing, but this one has got very easily understood descriptions of how the PCR and antibody tests are done. The PCR strikes me as being rather like a reverse homeopathy routine.

If you do read the whole thing, go into the comments too for an explanation about why the Australian tests are more accurate than those in some other countries.

as in PCR is as useful as homeopathy, just turned around

or as in PCR is clearly useful, because the opposite, homeopathy is absolutely useless

Neither. It’s multiplication rather than dilution,

:)

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

as in PCR is as useful as homeopathy, just turned around

or as in PCR is clearly useful, because the opposite, homeopathy is absolutely useless

Neither. It’s multiplication rather than dilution,

:)

surely dilution is multiplication of concentration by a factor between 0 and 1

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Neither. It’s multiplication rather than dilution,

:)

surely dilution is multiplication of concentration by a factor between 0 and 1

Now don’t go all homeopathic on me.

Disclaimer: May Contain Satirical Elements

Evidence That Biomedical Companies Must Have “Donated” Large Political Bribes — Corrupt Australian And New Zealand Authorities Spend Big On Useless Testing

go and piss in your own hat.

party_pants said:

go and piss in your own hat.

why is that then?

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

go and piss in your own hat.

why is that then?

Global Warming, Australian Summer, Bushfires, we do need a way to keep ourselves cool and safe

anyway for the technically minded one of the interesting aspects is how it seems to follow a power law fairly closely

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

go and piss in your own hat.

why is that then?

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

go and piss in your own hat.

why is that then?

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

^

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

go and piss in your own hat.

why is that then?

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

I think MZL was employing sarcasm but I agree he doesn’t place much stock in being clear about what he is talking about.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

why is that then?

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

I think MZL was employing sarcasm but I agree he doesn’t place much stock in being clear about what he is talking about.

To be fair, he did contain a disclaimer suggesting it was satire.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

go and piss in your own hat.

why is that then?

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

Go back and read the smallprint:

Disclaimer: May Contain Satirical Elements

Dark Orange said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

I think MZL was employing sarcasm but I agree he doesn’t place much stock in being clear about what he is talking about.

To be fair, he did contain a disclaimer suggesting it was satire.

Who reads the fine print in these wild times?

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

why is that then?

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

Go back and read the smallprint:

Disclaimer: May Contain Satirical Elements

OK. my bad.

I can’t actually read that on my laptop screen. Except with my glasses on and my face 10cm from the screen with my left eye closed.

I didn’t even notice it was there :(

Witty Rejoinder said:

Who reads the fine print in these wild times?

Don’t Worry, The Tasmanian Healthcare Workers Who Threw That Illegal* Party Have Earned Their Redemption

*: allegedly

https://nyheter24.se/nyheter/inrikes/949336-sjukhuspersonal-styrde-hemlig-fest-orsakade-coronautbrott
https://tekdeeps.com/hospital-staff-controlled-secret-party-caused-corona-outbreaks/

Centrallasarettet i Växjö har de senaste dagarna skapat stora corona-rubriker – men av helt fel anledning. Detta sedan personalen på hjärtintensiven anordnat en halloweenfest tre dagar efter att Region Kronoberg gått upp i stabsläge. Vad som var tänkt att bli en trevlig aktivitet för de anställda – delvis finansierad av regionen – resulterade istället i ett coronautbrott.

The central hospital in Växjö has in recent days created large corona headlines – but for the completely wrong reason. This is after the staff at the heart intensive care center arranged a Halloween party three days after Region Kronoberg went up in staff mode. What was supposed to be a pleasant activity for the employees – partly financed by the region – instead resulted in a corona outbreak.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Did you see the bullshit just posted?

To any normal interpretation the ratio of number of positive tests returned to the number of tests conducted should be as low as possible. It indicates that testing is widespread but positives are low, so therefore the authorities have the Covids under control. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to interpret this ratio as a waste of resources and evidence of corruption.

Go back and read the smallprint:

Disclaimer: May Contain Satirical Elements

OK. my bad.

I can’t actually read that on my laptop screen. Except with my glasses on and my face 10cm from the screen with my left eye closed.

I didn’t even notice it was there :(

I also fell into that trap.

⚠ no satire intended

The following site appears to use multiple psychological influence measures to encourage viewers to support flock immunity with focused protection. We have not critically appraised the content in its entirety to confirm that it does not instead support elimination-eradication but an initial reading would not seem to be consistent with that.

https://greenbandredband.com

SCIENCE said:

⚠ no satire intended

It’s OK. My bad. I shall look more closely at all your posts from now on before leaping in. I honestly did not see the fine print in your earlier post.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

⚠ no satire intended

It’s OK. My bad. I shall look more closely at all your posts from now on before leaping in. I honestly did not see the fine print in your earlier post.

nah but we appreciate that it’s hard to tell sometimes (after all, some of what we “say” really is what the crazy bastards out there are saying) so we’re just trying to balance being too obvious with being too subtle

so we apologise for not getting the balance right

(and if anyone reads it again years in the future then a little marker in the corner probably helps as well)

SCIENCE said:

So Dan isn’t a Nazi after all?

SCIENCE said:

This is what happens when 80 percent of the population is stupid.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

This is what happens when 80 percent of the population is stupid.

And thanks to Trump its easy to calculate too.

Trump voters + Non voters.

⚠ no satire intended

If any of you are like us, you may be wondering what this is all about since NZ supposedly had achieved victory

so we’ve done the hunting for you, apparently they still get quarantine contact secondary cases.

SCIENCE said:

⚠ no satire intended

If any of you are like us, you may be wondering what this is all about since NZ supposedly had achieved victory

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/nsw-health-contact-new-zealand-arrivals-positive-covid-case/12883296

NSW health authorities are contacting hundreds of arrivals from New Zealand who may have come into contact with a positive COVID-19 case in Auckland.

It said the case had acquired the virus in Auckland and those affected passengers were also being called and alerted to several venues in that city the infected person had attended.

so we’ve done the hunting for you, apparently they still get quarantine contact secondary cases.

Of course they do. And so will everyone for a long time to come yet.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

⚠ no satire intended

If any of you are like us, you may be wondering what this is all about since NZ supposedly had achieved victory

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/nsw-health-contact-new-zealand-arrivals-positive-covid-case/12883296

NSW health authorities are contacting hundreds of arrivals from New Zealand who may have come into contact with a positive COVID-19 case in Auckland.

It said the case had acquired the virus in Auckland and those affected passengers were also being called and alerted to several venues in that city the infected person had attended.

so we’ve done the hunting for you, apparently they still get quarantine contact secondary cases.

Of course they do. And so will everyone for a long time to come yet.

so are Australians doing something exceptional with their returned traveller quarantine, or do we just not count it as local transmission

I just don’t know about this vaccine business.
Russia has been vaccinating against covid for months now and not only is it not helping it might well be spreading it and heaven knows what the autism numbers are like.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

⚠ no satire intended

If any of you are like us, you may be wondering what this is all about since NZ supposedly had achieved victory

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/nsw-health-contact-new-zealand-arrivals-positive-covid-case/12883296

NSW health authorities are contacting hundreds of arrivals from New Zealand who may have come into contact with a positive COVID-19 case in Auckland.

It said the case had acquired the virus in Auckland and those affected passengers were also being called and alerted to several venues in that city the infected person had attended.

so we’ve done the hunting for you, apparently they still get quarantine contact secondary cases.

Of course they do. And so will everyone for a long time to come yet.

so are Australians doing something exceptional with their returned traveller quarantine, or do we just not count it as local transmission

>>quarantine contact secondary cases<< would presumably be staff/support people looking after the quarantined people. The thing is very contagious. There is no 100% way of stopping it spreading.

Trump plans to distribute the vaccine for free everywhere in the US except New York

US President Donald Trump has just been speaking (if you want more US election politics content, join Alicia Nally here).

He made a number of claims about the US vaccine program but did not directly address his election loss except to say that “time will tell” who takes office.

Here’s what he said:

First up, US President Donald Trump said he expected a coronavirus vaccine to be available for free for the entire population as soon as April. He also said he expected an emergency-use authorisation for Pzifer’s vaccine “extremely soon”.

He said his administration would not go into lockdown to curb the rising number of coronavirus infections “under any circumstances”. Mr Trump said “lockdowns cost lives and they cause a lot of problems”.

Lastly, he said he would not give the vaccine to New York, claiming that “for political reasons” the state’s governor “decided … to take his time on the vaccine”.

—————————————————————————-
Nasty bit of work, that Trump…
—————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-news-borders/12883944

Michael V said:

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Nasty bit of work, that Trump…
—————————————————————————-

True but he has been somewhat subdued as he takes stock of the impossible.. He lost.

Michael V said:

Trump plans to distribute the vaccine for free everywhere in the US except New York

US President Donald Trump has just been speaking (if you want more US election politics content, join Alicia Nally here).

He made a number of claims about the US vaccine program but did not directly address his election loss except to say that “time will tell” who takes office.

Here’s what he said:

First up, US President Donald Trump said he expected a coronavirus vaccine to be available for free for the entire population as soon as April. He also said he expected an emergency-use authorisation for Pzifer’s vaccine “extremely soon”.

He said his administration would not go into lockdown to curb the rising number of coronavirus infections “under any circumstances”. Mr Trump said “lockdowns cost lives and they cause a lot of problems”.

Lastly, he said he would not give the vaccine to New York, claiming that “for political reasons” the state’s governor “decided … to take his time on the vaccine”.

—————————————————————————-
Nasty bit of work, that Trump…
—————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-news-borders/12883944

Australia’s predicted roll out…

Front line medics.
Old farts and vulnerable.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Trump plans to distribute the vaccine for free everywhere in the US except New York

US President Donald Trump has just been speaking (if you want more US election politics content, join Alicia Nally here).

He made a number of claims about the US vaccine program but did not directly address his election loss except to say that “time will tell” who takes office.

Here’s what he said:

First up, US President Donald Trump said he expected a coronavirus vaccine to be available for free for the entire population as soon as April. He also said he expected an emergency-use authorisation for Pzifer’s vaccine “extremely soon”.

He said his administration would not go into lockdown to curb the rising number of coronavirus infections “under any circumstances”. Mr Trump said “lockdowns cost lives and they cause a lot of problems”.

Lastly, he said he would not give the vaccine to New York, claiming that “for political reasons” the state’s governor “decided … to take his time on the vaccine”.

—————————————————————————-
Nasty bit of work, that Trump…
—————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-news-borders/12883944

Australia’s predicted roll out…

Front line medics.
Old farts and vulnerable.

so uh if there’s adverse effects our paramedics and nurses and doctors can die first is that the plan

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Trump plans to distribute the vaccine for free everywhere in the US except New York

US President Donald Trump has just been speaking (if you want more US election politics content, join Alicia Nally here).

He made a number of claims about the US vaccine program but did not directly address his election loss except to say that “time will tell” who takes office.

Here’s what he said:

First up, US President Donald Trump said he expected a coronavirus vaccine to be available for free for the entire population as soon as April. He also said he expected an emergency-use authorisation for Pzifer’s vaccine “extremely soon”.

He said his administration would not go into lockdown to curb the rising number of coronavirus infections “under any circumstances”. Mr Trump said “lockdowns cost lives and they cause a lot of problems”.

Lastly, he said he would not give the vaccine to New York, claiming that “for political reasons” the state’s governor “decided … to take his time on the vaccine”.

—————————————————————————-
Nasty bit of work, that Trump…
—————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-news-borders/12883944

Australia’s predicted roll out…

Front line medics.
Old farts and vulnerable.

so uh if there’s adverse effects our paramedics and nurses and doctors can die first is that the plan

So everyone except Victoria?

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia’s predicted roll out…

Front line medics.
Old farts and vulnerable.

so uh if there’s adverse effects our paramedics and nurses and doctors can die first is that the plan

So everyone except Victoria?

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has countered President Donald Trump’s claims he is trying to block his state from getting a coronavirus vaccine

Mr Cuomo told CNN Mr Trump “tries to bully people — he tries to bully governors, he uses government as a retaliatory tool”.

Earlier today, Mr Trump said a vaccine would be available to the US population except for New York which “for political reasons, the governor decided to say … he wants to take his time on the vaccine”.

Mr Cuomo said Mr Trump’s comments were false and that New York was among several states which established independent panels to approve any coronavirus vaccines deemed safe by the US Food and Drug Administration.

The extra step was “to give people confidence in the approval process” in light of concerns it had been politicised.

Michael V said:

Trump plans to distribute the vaccine for free everywhere in the US except New York

US President Donald Trump has just been speaking (if you want more US election politics content, join Alicia Nally here).

He made a number of claims about the US vaccine program but did not directly address his election loss except to say that “time will tell” who takes office.

Here’s what he said:

First up, US President Donald Trump said he expected a coronavirus vaccine to be available for free for the entire population as soon as April. He also said he expected an emergency-use authorisation for Pzifer’s vaccine “extremely soon”.

He said his administration would not go into lockdown to curb the rising number of coronavirus infections “under any circumstances”. Mr Trump said “lockdowns cost lives and they cause a lot of problems”.

Lastly, he said he would not give the vaccine to New York, claiming that “for political reasons” the state’s governor “decided … to take his time on the vaccine”.

Morrison has just done the same thing to the WA Premier by saying all the borders would be open by Christmas except WA.

Rule 303 said:

Michael V said:

Trump plans to distribute the vaccine for free everywhere in the US except New York

US President Donald Trump has just been speaking (if you want more US election politics content, join Alicia Nally here).

He made a number of claims about the US vaccine program but did not directly address his election loss except to say that “time will tell” who takes office.

Here’s what he said:

First up, US President Donald Trump said he expected a coronavirus vaccine to be available for free for the entire population as soon as April. He also said he expected an emergency-use authorisation for Pzifer’s vaccine “extremely soon”.

He said his administration would not go into lockdown to curb the rising number of coronavirus infections “under any circumstances”. Mr Trump said “lockdowns cost lives and they cause a lot of problems”.

Lastly, he said he would not give the vaccine to New York, claiming that “for political reasons” the state’s governor “decided … to take his time on the vaccine”.

Morrison has just done the same thing to the WA Premier by saying all the borders would be open by Christmas except WA.

Has he?

The borders reopened last night AFAIK.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Michael V said:

Trump plans to distribute the vaccine for free everywhere in the US except New York

US President Donald Trump has just been speaking (if you want more US election politics content, join Alicia Nally here).

He made a number of claims about the US vaccine program but did not directly address his election loss except to say that “time will tell” who takes office.

Here’s what he said:

First up, US President Donald Trump said he expected a coronavirus vaccine to be available for free for the entire population as soon as April. He also said he expected an emergency-use authorisation for Pzifer’s vaccine “extremely soon”.

He said his administration would not go into lockdown to curb the rising number of coronavirus infections “under any circumstances”. Mr Trump said “lockdowns cost lives and they cause a lot of problems”.

Lastly, he said he would not give the vaccine to New York, claiming that “for political reasons” the state’s governor “decided … to take his time on the vaccine”.

Morrison has just done the same thing to the WA Premier by saying all the borders would be open by Christmas except WA.

Has he?

The borders reopened last night AFAIK.

He very often doesn’t tell the truth.

National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas

(link opens ABC News article)

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Morrison has just done the same thing to the WA Premier by saying all the borders would be open by Christmas except WA.

Has he?

The borders reopened last night AFAIK.

He very often doesn’t tell the truth.

National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas

(link opens ABC News article)

What is he lying about there? WA is still restricting travel from NSW & Vic in that people from those states need to quarantine for two weeks.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Has he?

The borders reopened last night AFAIK.

He very often doesn’t tell the truth.

National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas

(link opens ABC News article)

What is he lying about there? WA is still restricting travel from NSW & Vic in that people from those states need to quarantine for two weeks.

There’s a ton of sub-text. Morrison supported Palmer in legal action against the WA government’s right to close their borders. There’s been ongoing public conflict between the two. Saying “National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas” is not really an accurate description.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Has he?

The borders reopened last night AFAIK.

He very often doesn’t tell the truth.

National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas

(link opens ABC News article)

What is he lying about there? WA is still restricting travel from NSW & Vic in that people from those states need to quarantine for two weeks.

I see nothing about withholding vaccines as political payback in any of these stories. I am still puzzled why the comparison was made between Scott Morrison and Donald Trump.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

He very often doesn’t tell the truth.

National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas

(link opens ABC News article)

What is he lying about there? WA is still restricting travel from NSW & Vic in that people from those states need to quarantine for two weeks.

There’s a ton of sub-text. Morrison supported Palmer in legal action against the WA government’s right to close their borders. There’s been ongoing public conflict between the two. Saying “National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas” is not really an accurate description.

Rubbish. That news is 24 hours old. If McGowan disagreed with what Scotty was stating he’d have come out and said so but instead we get:

Mr McGowan doubled down on his commitment not to reopen fully to NSW and Victoria until they reach 28 days of no community cases
“I don’t believe in an artificial deadline,” Mr McGowan said.
“We’re going to be guided by health. Christmas is important but the health of Western Australians is more important.”

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

He very often doesn’t tell the truth.

National Cabinet pledges for all domestic borders except WA to reopen by Christmas

(link opens ABC News article)

What is he lying about there? WA is still restricting travel from NSW & Vic in that people from those states need to quarantine for two weeks.

I see nothing about withholding vaccines as political payback in any of these stories. I am still puzzled why the comparison was made between Scott Morrison and Donald Trump.

The point was about the inappropriate use of the coercive influence by dishonest manipulation of public sentiment to force a policy onto a government that is entitled to make its own decisions.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

What is he lying about there? WA is still restricting travel from NSW & Vic in that people from those states need to quarantine for two weeks.

I see nothing about withholding vaccines as political payback in any of these stories. I am still puzzled why the comparison was made between Scott Morrison and Donald Trump.

The point was about the inappropriate use of the coercive influence by dishonest manipulation of public sentiment to force a policy onto a government that is entitled to make its own decisions.

So just making shit up then.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

I see nothing about withholding vaccines as political payback in any of these stories. I am still puzzled why the comparison was made between Scott Morrison and Donald Trump.

The point was about the inappropriate use of the coercive influence by dishonest manipulation of public sentiment to force a policy onto a government that is entitled to make its own decisions.

So just making shit up then.

I’ll take that under advisement: If Sibeen can’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

What is he lying about there? WA is still restricting travel from NSW & Vic in that people from those states need to quarantine for two weeks.

I see nothing about withholding vaccines as political payback in any of these stories. I am still puzzled why the comparison was made between Scott Morrison and Donald Trump.

The point was about the inappropriate use of the coercive influence by dishonest manipulation of public sentiment to force a policy onto a government that is entitled to make its own decisions.

oh OK then. I don’t think it works here after you factor in state parochialism.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

The point was about the inappropriate use of the coercive influence by dishonest manipulation of public sentiment to force a policy onto a government that is entitled to make its own decisions.

So just making shit up then.

I’ll take that under advisement: If Sibeen can’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

You claimed Morrison lied, you got called on it and evidence was produced that you were wrong.
You are now talking in riddles and saying look over there look up there, It’s rather Trumpian.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

I see nothing about withholding vaccines as political payback in any of these stories. I am still puzzled why the comparison was made between Scott Morrison and Donald Trump.

The point was about the inappropriate use of the coercive influence by dishonest manipulation of public sentiment to force a policy onto a government that is entitled to make its own decisions.

oh OK then. I don’t think it works here after you factor in state parochialism.

Maybe so.

>cough< not that I would accuse WA of parochialism or anything >cough<

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

So just making shit up then.

I’ll take that under advisement: If Sibeen can’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

You claimed Morrison lied, you got called on it and evidence was produced that you were wrong.
You are now talking in riddles and saying look over there look up there, It’s rather Trumpian.

Are you saying you can’t see that a prime minister who supported the legal action of a billionaire miner to force a state to open its borders against the decision of its government is now trying to force it to open its borders by another method?

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

I’ll take that under advisement: If Sibeen can’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

You claimed Morrison lied, you got called on it and evidence was produced that you were wrong.
You are now talking in riddles and saying look over there look up there, It’s rather Trumpian.

Are you saying you can’t see that a prime minister who supported the legal action of a billionaire miner to force a state to open its borders against the decision of its government is now trying to force it to open its borders by another method?

You’re welcome to have your debates with whoever you were debating but you cant just make shit up while doing it, there’s a good chance you’ll get called on it if you do.

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You claimed Morrison lied, you got called on it and evidence was produced that you were wrong.
You are now talking in riddles and saying look over there look up there, It’s rather Trumpian.

Are you saying you can’t see that a prime minister who supported the legal action of a billionaire miner to force a state to open its borders against the decision of its government is now trying to force it to open its borders by another method?

You’re welcome to have your debates with whoever you were debating but you cant just make shit up while doing it, there’s a good chance you’ll get called on it if you do.

Did you hear what Trump said about supplying a vaccine to New York this morning?

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Are you saying you can’t see that a prime minister who supported the legal action of a billionaire miner to force a state to open its borders against the decision of its government is now trying to force it to open its borders by another method?

You’re welcome to have your debates with whoever you were debating but you cant just make shit up while doing it, there’s a good chance you’ll get called on it if you do.

Did you hear what Trump said about supplying a vaccine to New York this morning?

Yes, yes I did. I very much doubt it was Scotty’s idea.

In fairness, the Federal government’s support for Palmer’s legal action was withdrawn after a few weeks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/clive-palmer-wa-border-legal-bid-backed-by-attorney-general/12511212

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-02/government-removes-support-for-clive-palmers-push-to-open-border/12515948

dv said:

In fairness, the Federal government’s support for Palmer’s legal action was withdrawn after a few weeks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/clive-palmer-wa-border-legal-bid-backed-by-attorney-general/12511212

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-02/government-removes-support-for-clive-palmers-push-to-open-border/12515948

Probably not enough numbers thing.

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It’s True, USSA Doctors Are Killing Their Patients To Make More Money

Evidence that the CDC are inflating death counts when the Sweden experience clearly shows us that non-zero-indexed COVID-19 waves do not cause death.

Note also what happens as it trends through September! They were all going to die anyway — expect negative excess deaths from here onwards! This pandemic has made the USSA population healthier than ever!

(actually we haven’t looked into that much yet)

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6942e2-H.pdf

There’s likely to be some 350000 Covid-19 deaths in the US from the twelvemonth starting April 2020.

US and A has ticked over a quarter of a million deaths now

dv said:

US and A has ticked over a quarter of a million deaths now

I should have something profound and thoughtful to say about it, but I think I have become dulled and insensitive to it now. It is just some numbers and if they are real people I don’t know them anyway.

party_pants said:

dv said:

US and A has ticked over a quarter of a million deaths now

I should have something profound and thoughtful to say about it, but I think I have become dulled and insensitive to it now. It is just some numbers and if they are real people I don’t know them anyway.

I’ll have a go

Profound

They clearly did not have a deep insight into the problem they faced and they all had a strong urge to do nothing about it.

Thoughtful

They didn’t wash their hands enough, they weren’t wearing masks when they went out, they were not social distancing and they did not stay at home.

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

US and A has ticked over a quarter of a million deaths now

I should have something profound and thoughtful to say about it, but I think I have become dulled and insensitive to it now. It is just some numbers and if they are real people I don’t know them anyway.

I’ll have a go

Profound

They clearly did not have a deep insight into the problem they faced and they all had a strong urge to do nothing about it.

Thoughtful

They didn’t wash their hands enough, they weren’t wearing masks when they went out, they were not social distancing and they did not stay at home.

should have added this bit at the end

They clearly did not have a deep insight into the problem they faced and they all had a strong urge to do nothing about it, while their leader played golf.

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