Date: 12/11/2020 22:13:03
From: transition
ID: 1648389
Subject: freedom, an art

imagine a world everything turned to front-on politics, everything became political, everything in a constant state of negotiation maybe

I guess it’s true in a way, discretion by whoever involved in whatever exchanges is and are important, people don’t want to be pushed around, things happen largely by agreement, agreement by individuals, individual agreement, agreement among individuals, groups too

of course there are partial agreements, compromises

anyway I was pondering for a moment of what happens if the ways of freedom are more seen as art, a thought exercise

in that above is the flipside proposition of what may be the outcome if freedom didn’t have any art about it, or lost it, or it for whatever reason was in decline

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Date: 12/11/2020 22:47:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1648399
Subject: re: freedom, an art

Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

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Date: 13/11/2020 03:13:20
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1648448
Subject: re: freedom, an art

transition said:


imagine a world everything turned to front-on politics, everything became political, everything in a constant state of negotiation maybe

I guess it’s true in a way, discretion by whoever involved in whatever exchanges is and are important, people don’t want to be pushed around, things happen largely by agreement, agreement by individuals, individual agreement, agreement among individuals, groups too

of course there are partial agreements, compromises

anyway I was pondering for a moment of what happens if the ways of freedom are more seen as art, a thought exercise

in that above is the flipside proposition of what may be the outcome if freedom didn’t have any art about it, or lost it, or it for whatever reason was in decline

Reminds me of China.

In China, every action has political overtones.
In China, the ways of freedom are more seen as art, a thought exercise.

It’s not in a state of constant negotiation. More a “big brother” situation.

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Date: 13/11/2020 10:30:24
From: transition
ID: 1648546
Subject: re: freedom, an art

sarahs mum said:


Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

I think I know what you mean, some truth about that, but there’s definitely something of an operating space for discretion, of the territory of culture, both informal and formal dimension, a mix, regard what culture provides

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Date: 13/11/2020 11:13:13
From: transition
ID: 1648572
Subject: re: freedom, an art

transition said:


sarahs mum said:

Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

I think I know what you mean, some truth about that, but there’s definitely something of an operating space for discretion, of the territory of culture, both informal and formal dimension, a mix, regard what culture provides

before it fades from the wording faculty of my mind, as I busy with other things, I think it likely culture has something you could call a psychological nurturement landscape, if I were to physicalize it conceptually i’d call it a landscape, it’s not entirely definable territory, not tangible in the regular sense maybe, but no less real than anything more typically physical of this world

i’ll get to something of libertarian philosophy later, some abstraction of freedom devolved down to individual discretion, the discretion of individuals, and the art of freedom, and possibly corruptions of

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