Date: 16/11/2020 15:12:55
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1650275
Subject: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has already called the government’s gas-led recovery “BS” and “political piffle.”

Now two reports raise even more questions about the claims being made about Scott Morrison’s gas-led recovery, particularly the ability for gas to create manufacturing jobs.

A report by the Grattan Institute reveals that, far from creating a much needed economic stimulus, gas will decline as an energy source for homes and industries in Australia.

And another report by The Australia Institute reveals a gas-fired recovery will not assist Australia’s manufacturing industry, with the biggest benefits going to companies that export gas, not local manufacturers.

The Coalition has previously sided with the work of the Grattan Institute in areas such as education.

So why is the government pushing a gas-led recovery? And who benefits?

Grattan Institute energy program boss and author of the report Tony Wood said the government’s gas-led recovery appeared to be driven by politics more than economic analysis, in particular the agenda of the NCC.

“When you think about that part of the commission, it was appointed to provide direct advice to the prime minister on an economic recovery,” he said. “In this case it played to something Morrison was already looking for.”

Then there are the donors. Crikey has already written extensively about how the prime minister’s energy policy is built around the interests of the government’s biggest fossil fuel donors — Santos, Origin, Woodside — under the guise that gas is a “transition fuel” to be added to the mix alongside renewables.

This also plays to a political argument that gas, like coal, appeals to the Coalition’s base.

“Their favourite fossil fuel has become political poison,” Merzian said. “This is their next fossil fuel of choice. And it comes with better marketing — imagine if we could call coal natural coal.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/a-gas-led-recovery-wont-create-jobs-so-who-benefits/ar-BB1b2fIb?ocid=msedgntp

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Date: 18/11/2020 03:56:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1651140
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

Well, natural gas is the easiest and safest way to store hydrogen fuel.

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Date: 18/11/2020 04:21:37
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1651142
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

mollwollfumble said:


Well, natural gas is the easiest and safest way to store hydrogen fuel.

Do you even bother to read these posts? I suppose being a denier things like global warming don’t matter.

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Date: 18/11/2020 09:32:56
From: transition
ID: 1651195
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

possibly some of the capacity potential of fuel and energy supply, reserve capacity is for strategic security purposes into the future, of which a person or country can’t know what might be required, and that reserve capacity does have an influence in the bigger picture, into the future

it’s nice to idealize, project right-think into the aether looking for agreement, but the reality is some countries are refusing to devolve power to something more resembling the slower honest grind of democracy

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Date: 18/11/2020 09:43:35
From: transition
ID: 1651202
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

transition said:


possibly some of the capacity potential of fuel and energy supply, reserve capacity is for strategic security purposes into the future, of which a person or country can’t know what might be required, and that reserve capacity does have an influence in the bigger picture, into the future

it’s nice to idealize, project right-think into the aether looking for agreement, but the reality is some countries are refusing to devolve power to something more resembling the slower honest grind of democracy

there are all sorts of agreements in this world, but ultimately all decisions come down to some act of discretion in a mind, or minds, and action or not from, a way considered important in the free world

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Date: 18/11/2020 10:24:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1651218
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

transition said:


project right-think honest grind of democracy free world

lol

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Date: 18/11/2020 10:25:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1651219
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

> Do you even bother to read these posts?

I got totally sick of political footballs back in the year 1980. I haven’t taken any notice of them since.

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Date: 18/11/2020 10:26:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1651220
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

mollwollfumble said:


> Do you even bother to read these posts?

I got totally sick of political footballs back in the year 1980. I haven’t taken any notice of them since.

corruption success, turn solid SCIENCE into political football, misdirect public interest

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Date: 18/11/2020 11:12:39
From: transition
ID: 1651251
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

project right-think honest grind of democracy free world

lol

don’t be a dickhead and juggle my words, and put them in a quote context, as if what I wrote, or i’ll stick something similarly unpleasant in your head

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Date: 18/11/2020 14:57:34
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1651449
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

mollwollfumble said:


> Do you even bother to read these posts?

I got totally sick of political footballs back in the year 1980. I haven’t taken any notice of them since.

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Date: 18/11/2020 15:03:09
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1651452
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

mollwollfumble said:


> Do you even bother to read these posts?

I got totally sick of political footballs back in the year 1980. I haven’t taken any notice of them since.

It’s usually science vs opinion moll, you should seek the former.

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Date: 18/11/2020 20:44:36
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1651588
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

Well, natural gas is the easiest and safest way to store hydrogen fuel.

Do you even bother to read these posts? I suppose being a denier things like global warming don’t matter.


I believe moll is being playful.

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Date: 18/11/2020 20:46:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1651589
Subject: re: A gas-led recovery won’t create jobs, so who benefits?

You could make coal gas i suppose.

In australia they have never fully realised their coal reserves in an intelligent way

Coal being used for powerstations is wasteful, it should be used to make things like plastics, diesel and fertiliser instead of disappearing up a chimney.

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