A book by Marian Wilkinson who dug deeply into her research to uncover the opposition to climate change. I listened to an hour long interview on the ABC with Marian Wilkinson who a discovered details that will amaze you and will provide some of the people they can curse as the climate warms making their world more difficult to live.

>>The inside story of how a network of influential climate sceptics, politicians and business leaders fought to control Australia’s response to the climate crisis.

As the climate crisis threatens more extreme bushfire seasons, droughts and floods, many Australians are demanding their leaders answer the question: ‘Why didn’t you do something?’

The Carbon Club reveals the truth behind Australia’s two decades of climate inaction. It’s the story of how a loose confederation of influential climate-science sceptics, politicians and business leaders sought to control Australia’s response to the climate crisis. They shared a fear that dealing with climate change would undermine the nation’s wealth, jobs and competitive advantage – and the power of the carbon club.

Central to their strategy was an international campaign to undermine climate science and the urgency of the climate crisis. The more the climate science was questioned, the more politicians lost the imperative to act. The sustained success of the carbon club over two decades explains why Australian governments failed to deal with the challenge of climate change. But at what cost to us and the next generation?

One of Australia’s most respected investigative journalists, Marian Wilkinson has tracked the rise and rise of Australia’s carbon club in brilliant detail, with extraordinary access to key players on all sides. The result is a book that is both essential and disturbing reading.<<

https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-carbon-club-marian-wilkinson/book/9781760875992.html?

This information is for your children and grandchildren to know the people responsible (in many parts of the world including America) who have sold their futures just so they can make even more money and maintain their power and influence. These are totally selfish people without a scrap of moral fortitude.

It’s not surprising though is it, they won’t inherit a messed up planet and will have sat pretty for most of their lives

PermeateFree said:

This information is for your children and grandchildren to know the people responsible (in many parts of the world including America) who have sold their futures just so they can make even more money and maintain their power and influence. These are totally selfish people without a scrap of moral fortitude.

Sold our future and the yet to be born

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

This information is for your children and grandchildren to know the people responsible (in many parts of the world including America) who have sold their futures just so they can make even more money and maintain their power and influence. These are totally selfish people without a scrap of moral fortitude.

Sold our future and the yet to be born

I can also imagine they are responsible for many of the other ills of the world

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

This information is for your children and grandchildren to know the people responsible (in many parts of the world including America) who have sold their futures just so they can make even more money and maintain their power and influence. These are totally selfish people without a scrap of moral fortitude.

Sold our future and the yet to be born

I can also imagine they are responsible for many of the other ills of the world

Pollution of land, water and air. They have their fingers in most things.

This is IMPORTANT people, it is the ABC Radio National’s Big Ideas podcast with Marian Wilkinson – journalist and author discussing her book “The Carbon Club” which is staggering in its revelations. It runs for just under 1 hour, but will be the most revealing hour you are ever likely to experience. I urge everyone to listen especially after the first 2 minutes and your knowledge and understanding of climate change background will be changed forever. People please listen, this is very, very important!

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/how-the-carbon-club-has-stymied-action-on-climate-chnage/12808230

PermeateFree said:

This is IMPORTANT people, it is the ABC Radio National’s Big Ideas podcast with Marian Wilkinson – journalist and author discussing her book “The Carbon Club” which is staggering in its revelations. It runs for just under 1 hour, but will be the most revealing hour you are ever likely to experience. I urge everyone to listen especially after the first 2 minutes and your knowledge and understanding of climate change background will be changed forever. People please listen, this is very, very important!

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/how-the-carbon-club-has-stymied-action-on-climate-chnage/12808230

Thanks. I will listen.

Cymek said:

It’s not surprising though is it, they won’t inherit a messed up planet and will have sat pretty for most of their lives

Unlike my generation, who inherited the cold war with the prospect of nuclear annihilation.

mollwollfumble said:

Cymek said:

It’s not surprising though is it, they won’t inherit a messed up planet and will have sat pretty for most of their lives

Unlike my generation, who inherited the cold war with the prospect of nuclear annihilation.

I too inherited the cold war with the prospect of nuclear war, but at the time there was more concern about radiation, so no real comparison to global warming and the sixth mass extinction event, which will happen with only the extent being in some contention. If you really want to learn something I strongly suggest you listen to the interview as suggested.

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

Cymek said:

It’s not surprising though is it, they won’t inherit a messed up planet and will have sat pretty for most of their lives

Unlike my generation, who inherited the cold war with the prospect of nuclear annihilation.

I too inherited the cold war with the prospect of nuclear war, but at the time there was more concern about radiation, so no real comparison to global warming and the sixth mass extinction event, which will happen with only the extent being in some contention. If you really want to learn something I strongly suggest you listen to the interview as suggested.

That is radiation from above ground tests, but you were probably too young to appreciate that aspect.

I posted this nearly 2 weeks ago and due to its importance, expected a high level of interest, especially as it affects you all and in particular your children and their offspring, but did I get a single pertinent response, absolutely nothing, which reflects the attitude of society today.

The reason the people discussed in this well researched book can and are still getting away in Australia, America and other parts of the world by mudding the water and diverting attention from global warming and its associated problems for no other reason that they can make more money, is apathy, YOUR lack of interest. I suppose young people in the not too distant future as they suffer the consequences of climate change along with most other life forms don’t need individuals to blame, they can simply direct their anger at the lack of interest of current generations and you bloody-well deserve it.

So you think I am ridiculous, well just look at yourselves!

PermeateFree said:

but did I get a single pertinent response

Yes, Several.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

but did I get a single pertinent response

Yes, Several.

Just like you making nonsense from nonsense posts. You are really a very dumb person if not totally stupid. You have no idea at all.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

but did I get a single pertinent response

Yes, Several.

Just like you making nonsense from nonsense posts. You are really a very dumb person if not totally stupid. You have no idea at all.

Thanks, PF. I know you mean this as constructive criticism and I’ll try to do better in future.

well maybe nobody who hadn’t read the article felt appropriately placed to contribute

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Yes, Several.

Just like you making nonsense from nonsense posts. You are really a very dumb person if not totally stupid. You have no idea at all.

Thanks, PF. I know you mean this as constructive criticism and I’ll try to do better in future.

No need, your kids will judge you far better than me.

SCIENCE said:

well maybe nobody who hadn’t read the article felt appropriately placed to contribute

Well you know what they say over at Wikipedia. Be Bold, Assume Good Faith, Don’t Be A Dick.

SCIENCE said:

well maybe nobody who hadn’t read the article felt appropriately placed to contribute

You were provided to means and totally ignored it, as if it were just another piece of trivia. You have no excuse.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

well maybe nobody who hadn’t read the article felt appropriately placed to contribute

Well you know what they say over at Wikipedia. Be Bold, Assume Good Faith, Don’t Be A Dick.

More stupid comment from a very stupid man. Get real dummy, although you may not think so, this IS important.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_be_a_dick

dv said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_be_a_dick

Your ego yells I am a genus, but really you are just a dumb, dumby with no idea of the matters affecting us all. I’ll leave to to your inner world of trivia.

dv said:

… Don’t Be A Dick.

Rule 8 @ SSSF FB page.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

well maybe nobody who hadn’t read the article felt appropriately placed to contribute

You were provided to means and totally ignored it, as if it were just another piece of trivia. You have no excuse.

not at all, we followed the link that was suggested, despite it being essentially advertising, and we found this

now we don’t have $26.25 to spare on “politicians and business leaders” just at the moment so if you really would like to provide means, we’re happy to be (1) gifted the book or (2) donated $26.25 (+shipping) to make the purchase

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

well maybe nobody who hadn’t read the article felt appropriately placed to contribute

You were provided to means and totally ignored it, as if it were just another piece of trivia. You have no excuse.

not at all, we followed the link that was suggested, despite it being essentially advertising, and we found this

now we don’t have $26.25 to spare on “politicians and business leaders” just at the moment so if you really would like to provide means, we’re happy to be (1) gifted the book or (2) donated $26.25 (+shipping) to make the purchase

I’ll be happy to skim it and give you the gist

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_be_a_dick

Your ego yells I am a genus, but really you are just a dumb, dumby with no idea of the matters affecting us all. I’ll leave to to your inner world of trivia.

all this talk about dicks and genuses inspires us to get up everybody and sing

Everyone can see we’re together
As we walk on by
(And) and we fly just like birds of a feather
I won’t tell no lie

All of the people around us they say
Can they be that close
Just let me state for the record
We’re giving love in a family dose

SCIENCE said:

all this talk about dicks and genuses

no Homo

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

… Don’t Be A Dick.

Rule 8 @ SSSF FB page.

Perhaps it is you who is being the Dick Boris. You start an apprenticeship in a fast disappearing trade, then you purchase a house on someone else’s land. I might not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but I am not as blunt and rusty as you.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

… Don’t Be A Dick.

Rule 8 @ SSSF FB page.

Perhaps it is you who is being the Dick Boris. You start an apprenticeship in a fast disappearing trade, then you purchase a house on someone else’s land. I might not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but I am not as blunt and rusty as you.

I see that PF has already slotted in to cover me for bad investment advice but steady on, champ, I’m still here til tomorrow

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

… Don’t Be A Dick.

Rule 8 @ SSSF FB page.

Perhaps it is you who is being the Dick Boris. You start an apprenticeship in a fast disappearing trade, then you purchase a house on someone else’s land. I might not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but I am not as blunt and rusty as you.

LOL, off your meds again?

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

well maybe nobody who hadn’t read the article felt appropriately placed to contribute

You were provided to means and totally ignored it, as if it were just another piece of trivia. You have no excuse.

not at all, we followed the link that was suggested, despite it being essentially advertising, and we found this

now we don’t have $26.25 to spare on “politicians and business leaders” just at the moment so if you really would like to provide means, we’re happy to be (1) gifted the book or (2) donated $26.25 (+shipping) to make the purchase

I provided a video with the author that you can listen to for nothing.

is the word “tetanus” appropriate at this juncture

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 8 @ SSSF FB page.

Perhaps it is you who is being the Dick Boris. You start an apprenticeship in a fast disappearing trade, then you purchase a house on someone else’s land. I might not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but I am not as blunt and rusty as you.

I see that PF has already slotted in to cover me for bad investment advice but steady on, champ, I’m still here til tomorrow

i think saying DV is a genus is a bit specious.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

Perhaps it is you who is being the Dick Boris. You start an apprenticeship in a fast disappearing trade, then you purchase a house on someone else’s land. I might not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but I am not as blunt and rusty as you.

I see that PF has already slotted in to cover me for bad investment advice but steady on, champ, I’m still here til tomorrow

i think saying DV is a genus is a bit specious.

that’s a bit out of order

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

I see that PF has already slotted in to cover me for bad investment advice but steady on, champ, I’m still here til tomorrow

i think saying DV is a genus is a bit specious.

that’s a bit out of order

but it has class

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

You were provided to means and totally ignored it, as if it were just another piece of trivia. You have no excuse.

not at all, we followed the link that was suggested, despite it being essentially advertising, and we found this

now we don’t have $26.25 to spare on “politicians and business leaders” just at the moment so if you really would like to provide means, we’re happy to be (1) gifted the book or (2) donated $26.25 (+shipping) to make the purchase

I provided a video with the author that you can listen to for nothing.

we’ll accept if you grant transcript

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 8 @ SSSF FB page.

Perhaps it is you who is being the Dick Boris. You start an apprenticeship in a fast disappearing trade, then you purchase a house on someone else’s land. I might not be the sharpest knife in the draw, but I am not as blunt and rusty as you.

LOL, off your meds again?

LOL but true.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

i think saying DV is a genus is a bit specious.

that’s a bit out of order

but it has class

good jokes, I’ll file em.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

i think saying DV is a genus is a bit specious.

that’s a bit out of order

but it has class

I’ll file ‘em under “we’re a super family”

SCIENCE said:

is the word “tetanus” appropriate at this juncture

You don’t understand either do you SCIENCE? Perhaps you should become more independent and not follow dv around like a little puppy. Life is a lot bigger than dv would have you believe.

In seriousness though this is an important topic. It will be interesting to see whether we can win this battle in Australia, but there’s hope from the UK, where the climate debate has largely been won.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

that’s a bit out of order

but it has class

I’ll file ‘em under “we’re a super family”

As much as you want to ignore it dv, global warming is not going away and your kids are going to feel its influence.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

that’s a bit out of order

but it has class

good jokes, I’ll file em.

I’ll file ‘em under “we’re a super family”

better than all this division in the ranks

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

good jokes, I’ll file em.

I’ll file ‘em under “we’re a super family”

better than all this division in the ranks

but you carry it very well

dv said:

In seriousness though this is an important topic. It will be interesting to see whether we can win this battle in Australia, but there’s hope from the UK, where the climate debate has largely been won.

Many many years ago thanks to Margaret Thatcher.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

In seriousness though this is an important topic. It will be interesting to see whether we can win this battle in Australia, but there’s hope from the UK, where the climate debate has largely been won.

Many many years ago thanks to Margaret Thatcher.

Correct

dv said:

In seriousness though this is an important topic. It will be interesting to see whether we can win this battle in Australia, but there’s hope from the UK, where the climate debate has largely been won.

You just don’t get it dv. I’m talking about the people and organisations who have made GW far worse and are continuing to make it far worse. It also explains their reasons and how they acquired their level of influence. Yet to you it is just another bit of Global Warming trivia, some old. You just get on with life and ignore this information as it is too confronting. You don’t want to know and think you are clever by not knowing. That is why you are a fool dv.

Surely I’m a fool largely for genetic and environmental reasons.

dv said:

Surely I’m a fool largely for genetic and environmental reasons.

you ain’t just anybodies fool, you’re nobodies fool.

dv said:

Surely I’m a fool largely for genetic and environmental reasons.

Perhaps you should admit it to yourself, now that would be a revelation.

dv said:

Surely I’m a fool largely for genetic and environmental reasons.

Ah, the old nurture vs nature argument.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Surely I’m a fool largely for genetic and environmental reasons.

you ain’t just anybodies fool, you’re nobodies fool.

I’m a shared fool

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Surely I’m a fool largely for genetic and environmental reasons.

you ain’t just anybodies fool, you’re nobodies fool.

nous sommes une foule

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I’ll file ‘em under “we’re a super family”

better than all this division in the ranks

but you carry it very well

😉 my ptosis

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

is the word “tetanus” appropriate at this juncture

You don’t understand either do you SCIENCE? Perhaps you should become more independent and not follow dv around like a little puppy. Life is a lot bigger than dv would have you believe.

belief, what is this, some kind of religion

oh you mean LIFE

Lets just one thing straight. I introduced to you a very important piece of research that affects us all in the most severe of ways. Typically the massager here is shot and the truth ignored for the sake of ego and impressing others. Now I don’t give a shit what certain people here who consider themselves the Forum Elders and that everyone else should take particular note. Well if you want to listen to them and ignore the truth, then that is up to you, but I request that you disregard their demeaning comments and attempts to make light of this matter, as it is information everyone should possess to know what is going on behind the scenes and the criminal actions taken to deceive. It is your choice whether you bother to listen to the video or read the book, but don’t let these arseholes treat your intelligence in the same way as others have with global warming denial.

PermeateFree said:

Lets just one thing straight. I introduced to you a very important piece of research that affects us all in the most severe of ways.

Thanks for doing that. It’s a good work.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

Lets just one thing straight. I introduced to you a very important piece of research that affects us all in the most severe of ways.

Thanks for doing that. It’s a good work.

FO dummy

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

Lets just one thing straight. I introduced to you a very important piece of research that affects us all in the most severe of ways.

Thanks for doing that. It’s a good work.

FO dummy

WDYM
ST dummy
WTYM

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Thanks for doing that. It’s a good work.

FO dummy

WDYM
ST dummy
WTYM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FO_(complexity)

See? Nobody reads my posts.

roughbarked said:

See? Nobody reads my posts.

true

dv said:

roughbarked said:

See? Nobody reads my posts.

true

I could rave on about what kind of a fool you were for replying but it isn’t me.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

See? Nobody reads my posts.

true

I could rave on about what kind of a fool you were for replying but it isn’t me.

You’re always very classy

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

true

I could rave on about what kind of a fool you were for replying but it isn’t me.

You’re always very classy

I suppose you want my thanks for the adulation?