Heather Cox Richardson
49 m ·
November 18, 2020 (Wednesday)

Today marks a grim milestone. The official count of Americans dead of coronavirus has topped a quarter of a million. 250,000 Americans, lost. Governors, including some Republicans previously opposed to ordering measures to stop the spread of the virus, are now issuing mandatory mask requirements. New York City has reached a 3% positivity rate; schools there have closed, and will go entirely on-line tomorrow. That rate is far below that of the regions worst hit these days.

“Right now, we are in an absolutely dangerous situation that we have to take with the utmost seriousness,” Assistant Secretary of Health at the Department of Health and Human Services Dr. Brett Giroir told MSNBC. “This is not crying wolf. This is the worst rate of rise in cases that we’ve seen in the pandemic in the United States and right now there’s no sign of flattening.” The latest report from the White House coronavirus task force says we are facing “aggressive, unrelenting, expanding broad community spread across the country, reaching most counties, without evidence of improvement but rather, further deterioration.”

And yet, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Alex Azar, maintains that no one in his department can coordinate with the incoming Joe Biden and Kamala Harris administration until the General Services Administration determines that Biden won the election. An administration official told CNN that department leadership had warned staffers not to communicate with Biden team, and to report any contact to the deputy surgeon general. Rick Bright, who was fired from the Trump administration for warnings about the dangers of coronavirus and who is now on the Biden team, told CNN: “We haven’t been able to sit down with the Trump administration at all, to be able to understand what plans are already in place, where the gaps are, where help is needed, and how we can make sure there’s a smooth hand-off after January 20, where the bulk of these vaccines will be administered after that date.”

Talking to frontline coronavirus workers, Biden said that Trump’s refusal to admit defeat is “the only slow down right now that we have.” He pointed out that the lack of information means, for example, that his team has no idea how much personal protective equipment is stockpiled. “Soon we’re going to be behind by weeks and months being able to put together the whole initiative relating to the biggest promise we have with two drug companies coming along and finding 95% effectiveness, efficiency in the vaccines, which is enormous promise,” he said. In a letter to the president, the American Hospital Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Nurses Association begged the administration to “work closely with the Biden transition team to share all critical information related to COVID-19.”
Despite orders not to coordinate with the incoming Biden administration, a few Trump officials are quietly reaching out, according to CNN. As one put it: “Nothing that would get us in trouble…. Just an offer to be of help. They know what we mean, and what we can-and-can’t do or say.” So far, nothing has come of these tentative offers.

Trump appears to be doing all he can to cripple Biden’s administration before it begins. Officials have told CNN that Trump is withdrawing troops worldwide in order to box Biden in before he takes office. A senior official told CNN that the goal is “to set so many fires that it will be hard for the Biden administration to put them all out.”
Shortly after the election, Trump purged civilian leaders at the Defense Department, replacing a number of them with people close to Devin Nunes (R-CA), who was apparently involved in conversations with Russians in 2016 that got picked up by intelligence officers, and General Michael Flynn, Trump’s former National Security Adviser, convicted of lying to the FBI about his contacts with then Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak shortly after Trump’s election in 2016.

Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller announced today that the civilian leaders from Special Operations Command will report directly to him, rather than through the normal chain of command. Special Operations includes about 70,000 troops that undertake unconventional military operations like raids, reconnaissance, search and rescue, and psychological operations. This was a change permitted by a 2017 law, and puts Special Operations at the same level as the other military departments. Lawmakers from both sides of the aisle say this elevation of Special Operations is overdue.

But the timing of this move raises questions, since the officials now overseeing Special Operations are the ones installed since Trump’s purge, none of whom has been approved by the Senate. The acting assistant secretary of defense for special operations—the one who will now report directly to newly-installed acting Defense Secretary Miller— is Ezra Cohen-Watnick, originally elevated to a prominent position by Flynn. Cohen-Watnick is an obscure figure who was not removed from his job at the National Security Council when Flynn resigned, apparently because he was personally protected by Jared Kushner. This was unusual: he was very young and inexperienced. He is fiercely loyal to Trump.

Like the other new hires at the Defense Department, Cohen-Watnick is known to be eager to hit at Iran, with whom simmering conflict continues. A week ago, inspectors reported that Iran has many times the uranium stockpile it would have been permitted under the Iran deal Trump pulled the U.S. out of, and that it would take less than a year for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon (something its leaders deny they have any interest in doing). The following day, Trump asked his top aides if he could launch a military strike against Iran’s biggest nuclear facility. They talked him out of it, noting that such a strike could lead to a larger war.

Today, Trump imposed sweeping new sanctions on Iran. Henry Rome, an Iran analyst with Eurasia Group, consultants who analyze political risk, told Reuters: “The administration is clearly, and I think transparently, trying to raise the political cost for Biden to re-engage with Iran and lift the nuclear deal sanctions.”

Trump’s erratic behavior is starting to alarm even Republican lawmakers, who have kept silent as Trump has done pretty much whatever he wished for the past four years. His firing yesterday of Christopher Krebs, the nation’s top cybersecurity official, led some Republicans to speak out against the president. “I’m sure I’m not the only one that would like some return to a little bit more of a—I don’t even know what’s normal anymore,” said Senator John Cornyn (R-TX).

A bipartisan group of senators is trying to block the administration’s sale of $23 billion worth of weapons to the United Arab Emirates, including F-35 fighter planes, the most technologically advanced planes in the world. It is unlikely they will be able to do so because it would take a two-thirds majority in both houses to override Trump’s veto of any measure they produce, but they have at least highlighted that Trump has violated normal procedures to make a sale that will dramatically change the balance of power in the Middle East.

Biden and Harris will meet with the bipartisan executive committee of the National Governors Association tomorrow to talk about addressing the coronavirus.

ChrispenEvan said:

Heather Cox Richardson
49 m ·
November 18, 2020 (Wednesday)

Today marks a grim milestone. The official count of Americans dead of coronavirus has topped a quarter of a million. 250,000 Americans, lost. Governors, including some Republicans previously opposed to ordering measures to stop the spread of the virus, are now issuing mandatory mask requirements. New York City has reached a 3% positivity rate; schools there have closed, and will go entirely on-line tomorrow. That rate is far below that of the regions worst hit these days.

“Right now, we are in an absolutely dangerous situation that we have to take with the utmost seriousness,” Assistant Secretary of Health at the Department of Health and Human Services Dr. Brett Giroir told MSNBC. “This is not crying wolf. This is the worst rate of rise in cases that we’ve seen in the pandemic in the United States and right now there’s no sign of flattening.” The latest report from the White House coronavirus task force says we are facing “aggressive, unrelenting, expanding broad community spread across the country, reaching most counties, without evidence of improvement but rather, further deterioration.”

And yet, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Alex Azar, maintains that no one in his department can coordinate with the incoming Joe Biden and Kamala Harris administration until the General Services Administration determines that Biden won the election. An administration official told CNN that department leadership had warned staffers not to communicate with Biden team, and to report any contact to the deputy surgeon general. Rick Bright, who was fired from the Trump administration for warnings about the dangers of coronavirus and who is now on the Biden team, told CNN: “We haven’t been able to sit down with the Trump administration at all, to be able to understand what plans are already in place, where the gaps are, where help is needed, and how we can make sure there’s a smooth hand-off after January 20, where the bulk of these vaccines will be administered after that date.”

Talking to frontline coronavirus workers, Biden said that Trump’s refusal to admit defeat is “the only slow down right now that we have.” He pointed out that the lack of information means, for example, that his team has no idea how much personal protective equipment is stockpiled. “Soon we’re going to be behind by weeks and months being able to put together the whole initiative relating to the biggest promise we have with two drug companies coming along and finding 95% effectiveness, efficiency in the vaccines, which is enormous promise,” he said. In a letter to the president, the American Hospital Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Nurses Association begged the administration to “work closely with the Biden transition team to share all critical information related to COVID-19.”
Despite orders not to coordinate with the incoming Biden administration, a few Trump officials are quietly reaching out, according to CNN. As one put it: “Nothing that would get us in trouble…. Just an offer to be of help. They know what we mean, and what we can-and-can’t do or say.” So far, nothing has come of these tentative offers.

Trump appears to be doing all he can to cripple Biden’s administration before it begins. Officials have told CNN that Trump is withdrawing troops worldwide in order to box Biden in before he takes office. A senior official told CNN that the goal is “to set so many fires that it will be hard for the Biden administration to put them all out.”
Shortly after the election, Trump purged civilian leaders at the Defense Department, replacing a number of them with people close to Devin Nunes (R-CA), who was apparently involved in conversations with Russians in 2016 that got picked up by intelligence officers, and General Michael Flynn, Trump’s former National Security Adviser, convicted of lying to the FBI about his contacts with then Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak shortly after Trump’s election in 2016.

Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller announced today that the civilian leaders from Special Operations Command will report directly to him, rather than through the normal chain of command. Special Operations includes about 70,000 troops that undertake unconventional military operations like raids, reconnaissance, search and rescue, and psychological operations. This was a change permitted by a 2017 law, and puts Special Operations at the same level as the other military departments. Lawmakers from both sides of the aisle say this elevation of Special Operations is overdue.

But the timing of this move raises questions, since the officials now overseeing Special Operations are the ones installed since Trump’s purge, none of whom has been approved by the Senate. The acting assistant secretary of defense for special operations—the one who will now report directly to newly-installed acting Defense Secretary Miller— is Ezra Cohen-Watnick, originally elevated to a prominent position by Flynn. Cohen-Watnick is an obscure figure who was not removed from his job at the National Security Council when Flynn resigned, apparently because he was personally protected by Jared Kushner. This was unusual: he was very young and inexperienced. He is fiercely loyal to Trump.

Like the other new hires at the Defense Department, Cohen-Watnick is known to be eager to hit at Iran, with whom simmering conflict continues. A week ago, inspectors reported that Iran has many times the uranium stockpile it would have been permitted under the Iran deal Trump pulled the U.S. out of, and that it would take less than a year for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon (something its leaders deny they have any interest in doing). The following day, Trump asked his top aides if he could launch a military strike against Iran’s biggest nuclear facility. They talked him out of it, noting that such a strike could lead to a larger war.

Today, Trump imposed sweeping new sanctions on Iran. Henry Rome, an Iran analyst with Eurasia Group, consultants who analyze political risk, told Reuters: “The administration is clearly, and I think transparently, trying to raise the political cost for Biden to re-engage with Iran and lift the nuclear deal sanctions.”

Trump’s erratic behavior is starting to alarm even Republican lawmakers, who have kept silent as Trump has done pretty much whatever he wished for the past four years. His firing yesterday of Christopher Krebs, the nation’s top cybersecurity official, led some Republicans to speak out against the president. “I’m sure I’m not the only one that would like some return to a little bit more of a—I don’t even know what’s normal anymore,” said Senator John Cornyn (R-TX).

A bipartisan group of senators is trying to block the administration’s sale of $23 billion worth of weapons to the United Arab Emirates, including F-35 fighter planes, the most technologically advanced planes in the world. It is unlikely they will be able to do so because it would take a two-thirds majority in both houses to override Trump’s veto of any measure they produce, but they have at least highlighted that Trump has violated normal procedures to make a sale that will dramatically change the balance of power in the Middle East.

Biden and Harris will meet with the bipartisan executive committee of the National Governors Association tomorrow to talk about addressing the coronavirus.

You take the clever chip out, you get the money they get to think they’ve got a spiffing bit of kit.

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Heather Cox Richardson
49 m ·
November 18, 2020 (Wednesday)

Today marks a grim milestone. The official count of Americans dead of coronavirus has topped a quarter of a million. 250,000 Americans, lost. Governors, including some Republicans previously opposed to ordering measures to stop the spread of the virus, are now issuing mandatory mask requirements. New York City has reached a 3% positivity rate; schools there have closed, and will go entirely on-line tomorrow. That rate is far below that of the regions worst hit these days.

“Right now, we are in an absolutely dangerous situation that we have to take with the utmost seriousness,” Assistant Secretary of Health at the Department of Health and Human Services Dr. Brett Giroir told MSNBC. “This is not crying wolf. This is the worst rate of rise in cases that we’ve seen in the pandemic in the United States and right now there’s no sign of flattening.” The latest report from the White House coronavirus task force says we are facing “aggressive, unrelenting, expanding broad community spread across the country, reaching most counties, without evidence of improvement but rather, further deterioration.”

And yet, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Alex Azar, maintains that no one in his department can coordinate with the incoming Joe Biden and Kamala Harris administration until the General Services Administration determines that Biden won the election. An administration official told CNN that department leadership had warned staffers not to communicate with Biden team, and to report any contact to the deputy surgeon general. Rick Bright, who was fired from the Trump administration for warnings about the dangers of coronavirus and who is now on the Biden team, told CNN: “We haven’t been able to sit down with the Trump administration at all, to be able to understand what plans are already in place, where the gaps are, where help is needed, and how we can make sure there’s a smooth hand-off after January 20, where the bulk of these vaccines will be administered after that date.”

Talking to frontline coronavirus workers, Biden said that Trump’s refusal to admit defeat is “the only slow down right now that we have.” He pointed out that the lack of information means, for example, that his team has no idea how much personal protective equipment is stockpiled. “Soon we’re going to be behind by weeks and months being able to put together the whole initiative relating to the biggest promise we have with two drug companies coming along and finding 95% effectiveness, efficiency in the vaccines, which is enormous promise,” he said. In a letter to the president, the American Hospital Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Nurses Association begged the administration to “work closely with the Biden transition team to share all critical information related to COVID-19.”
Despite orders not to coordinate with the incoming Biden administration, a few Trump officials are quietly reaching out, according to CNN. As one put it: “Nothing that would get us in trouble…. Just an offer to be of help. They know what we mean, and what we can-and-can’t do or say.” So far, nothing has come of these tentative offers.

Trump appears to be doing all he can to cripple Biden’s administration before it begins. Officials have told CNN that Trump is withdrawing troops worldwide in order to box Biden in before he takes office. A senior official told CNN that the goal is “to set so many fires that it will be hard for the Biden administration to put them all out.”
Shortly after the election, Trump purged civilian leaders at the Defense Department, replacing a number of them with people close to Devin Nunes (R-CA), who was apparently involved in conversations with Russians in 2016 that got picked up by intelligence officers, and General Michael Flynn, Trump’s former National Security Adviser, convicted of lying to the FBI about his contacts with then Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak shortly after Trump’s election in 2016.

Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller announced today that the civilian leaders from Special Operations Command will report directly to him, rather than through the normal chain of command. Special Operations includes about 70,000 troops that undertake unconventional military operations like raids, reconnaissance, search and rescue, and psychological operations. This was a change permitted by a 2017 law, and puts Special Operations at the same level as the other military departments. Lawmakers from both sides of the aisle say this elevation of Special Operations is overdue.

But the timing of this move raises questions, since the officials now overseeing Special Operations are the ones installed since Trump’s purge, none of whom has been approved by the Senate. The acting assistant secretary of defense for special operations—the one who will now report directly to newly-installed acting Defense Secretary Miller— is Ezra Cohen-Watnick, originally elevated to a prominent position by Flynn. Cohen-Watnick is an obscure figure who was not removed from his job at the National Security Council when Flynn resigned, apparently because he was personally protected by Jared Kushner. This was unusual: he was very young and inexperienced. He is fiercely loyal to Trump.

Like the other new hires at the Defense Department, Cohen-Watnick is known to be eager to hit at Iran, with whom simmering conflict continues. A week ago, inspectors reported that Iran has many times the uranium stockpile it would have been permitted under the Iran deal Trump pulled the U.S. out of, and that it would take less than a year for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon (something its leaders deny they have any interest in doing). The following day, Trump asked his top aides if he could launch a military strike against Iran’s biggest nuclear facility. They talked him out of it, noting that such a strike could lead to a larger war.

Today, Trump imposed sweeping new sanctions on Iran. Henry Rome, an Iran analyst with Eurasia Group, consultants who analyze political risk, told Reuters: “The administration is clearly, and I think transparently, trying to raise the political cost for Biden to re-engage with Iran and lift the nuclear deal sanctions.”

Trump’s erratic behavior is starting to alarm even Republican lawmakers, who have kept silent as Trump has done pretty much whatever he wished for the past four years. His firing yesterday of Christopher Krebs, the nation’s top cybersecurity official, led some Republicans to speak out against the president. “I’m sure I’m not the only one that would like some return to a little bit more of a—I don’t even know what’s normal anymore,” said Senator John Cornyn (R-TX).

A bipartisan group of senators is trying to block the administration’s sale of $23 billion worth of weapons to the United Arab Emirates, including F-35 fighter planes, the most technologically advanced planes in the world. It is unlikely they will be able to do so because it would take a two-thirds majority in both houses to override Trump’s veto of any measure they produce, but they have at least highlighted that Trump has violated normal procedures to make a sale that will dramatically change the balance of power in the Middle East.

Biden and Harris will meet with the bipartisan executive committee of the National Governors Association tomorrow to talk about addressing the coronavirus.

You take the clever chip out, you get the money they get to think they’ve got a spiffing bit of kit.

backs away slowly. take co2 extinguisher off wall. puts out PWMs brain.

so would we say it’d have been better if we just handed it all to Trump like we should have done all along

Apparently that nasty Republican who lost the election is still causing trouble. Can anyone even remember the idiot’s name? I can’t.

Anyway, hopefully Biden will be able to sort out some of the mess without too much delay.

Bubblecar said:

Apparently that nasty Republican who lost the election is still causing trouble. Can anyone even remember the idiot’s name? I can’t.

Anyway, hopefully Biden will be able to sort out some of the mess without too much delay.

I’m pretty sure it is
Fergus Laing

Bubblecar said:

Apparently that nasty Republican who lost the election is still causing trouble. Can anyone even remember the idiot’s name? I can’t.

Anyway, hopefully Biden will be able to sort out some of the mess without too much delay.

Yes, yes bubbles, its all going to be ok. Biden is going to be made president no questions asked. Now sleep, sleeeeeep

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently that nasty Republican who lost the election is still causing trouble. Can anyone even remember the idiot’s name? I can’t.

Anyway, hopefully Biden will be able to sort out some of the mess without too much delay.

I’m pretty sure it is
Fergus Laing

Fergus Laing is a beast of a man
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the world
And see it off in pieces
He likes to build his towers high
He blocks the sun out from the sky
In the penthouse the champagne’s dry
And slightly gassy

Fergus Laing, he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
Fergus Laing has 17 friends
All as dull as he is
His 17 friends has 17 wives
All the perfect shape and size
They wag their tails and bat their eyes
Just like Lassie

Fergus he builds and builds
Yet small is his erection
Fergus has a fine head of hair
When the wind’s in the right direction

Fergus Laing and his 17 friends
They live inside a bubble
There they withdraw and shut the door
At any sign of trouble
Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy

Fergus’ buildings reach the sky
Until you cannot see ‘um
He thinks the old stuff he pulls down
Belongs in a museum
His fits are famous on the scene
The shortest fuse, so cruel, so mean
But don’t call him a drama queen
Like Shirley Bassey

Fergus Laing he flaunts the law
But one day he’ll be wired
And as they drag him off to jail
We’ll all shout, “You’re fired!”

Ogmog said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently that nasty Republican who lost the election is still causing trouble. Can anyone even remember the idiot’s name? I can’t.

Anyway, hopefully Biden will be able to sort out some of the mess without too much delay.

I’m pretty sure it is
Fergus Laing

Fergus Laing is a beast of a man
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the world
And see it off in pieces
He likes to build his towers high
He blocks the sun out from the sky
In the penthouse the champagne’s dry
And slightly gassy

Fergus Laing, he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
Fergus Laing has 17 friends
All as dull as he is
His 17 friends has 17 wives
All the perfect shape and size
They wag their tails and bat their eyes
Just like Lassie

Fergus he builds and builds
Yet small is his erection
Fergus has a fine head of hair
When the wind’s in the right direction

Fergus Laing and his 17 friends
They live inside a bubble
There they withdraw and shut the door
At any sign of trouble
Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy

Fergus’ buildings reach the sky
Until you cannot see ‘um
He thinks the old stuff he pulls down
Belongs in a museum
His fits are famous on the scene
The shortest fuse, so cruel, so mean
But don’t call him a drama queen
Like Shirley Bassey

Fergus Laing he flaunts the law
But one day he’ll be wired
And as they drag him off to jail
We’ll all shout, “You’re fired!”

The venerable Richard Thompson.

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m pretty sure it is
Fergus Laing

Fergus Laing is a beast of a man
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the world
And see it off in pieces
He likes to build his towers high
He blocks the sun out from the sky
In the penthouse the champagne’s dry
And slightly gassy

Fergus Laing, he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
Fergus Laing has 17 friends
All as dull as he is
His 17 friends has 17 wives
All the perfect shape and size
They wag their tails and bat their eyes
Just like Lassie

Fergus he builds and builds
Yet small is his erection
Fergus has a fine head of hair
When the wind’s in the right direction

Fergus Laing and his 17 friends
They live inside a bubble
There they withdraw and shut the door
At any sign of trouble
Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy

Fergus’ buildings reach the sky
Until you cannot see ‘um
He thinks the old stuff he pulls down
Belongs in a museum
His fits are famous on the scene
The shortest fuse, so cruel, so mean
But don’t call him a drama queen
Like Shirley Bassey

Fergus Laing he flaunts the law
But one day he’ll be wired
And as they drag him off to jail
We’ll all shout, “You’re fired!”

The venerable Richard Thompson.

On Fergus Laing, and other anti-Trump songs, going right back to Woody Guthrie:
https://albumsthatshouldexist.blogspot.com/2020/10/various-artists-rock-trump-out-volumes.html

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

Fergus Laing is a beast of a man
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the world
And see it off in pieces
He likes to build his towers high
He blocks the sun out from the sky
In the penthouse the champagne’s dry
And slightly gassy

Fergus Laing, he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
Fergus Laing has 17 friends
All as dull as he is
His 17 friends has 17 wives
All the perfect shape and size
They wag their tails and bat their eyes
Just like Lassie

Fergus he builds and builds
Yet small is his erection
Fergus has a fine head of hair
When the wind’s in the right direction

Fergus Laing and his 17 friends
They live inside a bubble
There they withdraw and shut the door
At any sign of trouble
Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy

Fergus’ buildings reach the sky
Until you cannot see ‘um
He thinks the old stuff he pulls down
Belongs in a museum
His fits are famous on the scene
The shortest fuse, so cruel, so mean
But don’t call him a drama queen
Like Shirley Bassey

Fergus Laing he flaunts the law
But one day he’ll be wired
And as they drag him off to jail
We’ll all shout, “You’re fired!”

The venerable Richard Thompson.

On Fergus Laing, and other anti-Trump songs, going right back to Woody Guthrie:
https://albumsthatshouldexist.blogspot.com/2020/10/various-artists-rock-trump-out-volumes.html

Ta.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The venerable Richard Thompson.

On Fergus Laing, and other anti-Trump songs, going right back to Woody Guthrie:
https://albumsthatshouldexist.blogspot.com/2020/10/various-artists-rock-trump-out-volumes.html

Ta.

figures that Roger Waters is among them

“Written by Edward Norton (actor):

I’m no political pundit but I grew up with a dad who was a federal prosecutor & he taught me a lot & I’ve also sat a fair amount of poker w serious players & l’ll say this: I do not think Trump is trying to ‘make his base happy’ or ‘laying the groundwork for his own network’ or or that ‘chaos is what he loves’. The core of it is that he knows he’s in deep, multi-dimensional legal jeopardy & this defines his every action.

We’re seeing:
1) a tactical delay of the transition to buy time for coverup & evidence suppression
2) above all, a desperate endgame which is to create enough chaos & anxiety about peaceful transfer of power, & fear of irreparable damage to the system, that he can cut a Nixon-style deal in exchange for finally conceding. But he doesn’t have the cards. His bluff after ‘the flop’ has been called in court.

His ‘turn card’ bluff will be an escalation & his ‘River card’ bluff could be really ugly. But they have to be called. We cannot let this mobster bully the USA into a deal to save his ass by threatening our democracy. THAT is his play. But he’s got junk in his hand. So call him.

I will allow that he’s also a whiny, sulky, petulant, Grinchy, vindictive little 10-ply-super-soft bitch who no doubt is just throwing a wicked pout fest & trying to give a tiny-hand middle finger to the whole country for pure spite, without a single thought for the dead & dying.

But his contemptible, treasonous, seditious assault on the stability of our political compact isn’t about 2024, personal enrichment or anything else other than trying to use chaos & threat to the foundation of the system as leverage to trade for a safe exit. Call. His. Bluff.

Faith in the strength of our sacred institutions & founding principles is severely stretched…but they will hold. They will. He’s leaving, gracelessly & in infamy. But if we trade for it, give him some brokered settlement, we’ll be vulnerable to his return. We can’t flinch.”

ChrispenEvan said:

“Written by Edward Norton (actor):

I’m no political pundit but I grew up with a dad who was a federal prosecutor & he taught me a lot & I’ve also sat a fair amount of poker w serious players & l’ll say this: I do not think Trump is trying to ‘make his base happy’ or ‘laying the groundwork for his own network’ or or that ‘chaos is what he loves’. The core of it is that he knows he’s in deep, multi-dimensional legal jeopardy & this defines his every action.

We’re seeing:
1) a tactical delay of the transition to buy time for coverup & evidence suppression
2) above all, a desperate endgame which is to create enough chaos & anxiety about peaceful transfer of power, & fear of irreparable damage to the system, that he can cut a Nixon-style deal in exchange for finally conceding. But he doesn’t have the cards. His bluff after ‘the flop’ has been called in court.

His ‘turn card’ bluff will be an escalation & his ‘River card’ bluff could be really ugly. But they have to be called. We cannot let this mobster bully the USA into a deal to save his ass by threatening our democracy. THAT is his play. But he’s got junk in his hand. So call him.

I will allow that he’s also a whiny, sulky, petulant, Grinchy, vindictive little 10-ply-super-soft bitch who no doubt is just throwing a wicked pout fest & trying to give a tiny-hand middle finger to the whole country for pure spite, without a single thought for the dead & dying.

But his contemptible, treasonous, seditious assault on the stability of our political compact isn’t about 2024, personal enrichment or anything else other than trying to use chaos & threat to the foundation of the system as leverage to trade for a safe exit. Call. His. Bluff.

Faith in the strength of our sacred institutions & founding principles is severely stretched…but they will hold. They will. He’s leaving, gracelessly & in infamy. But if we trade for it, give him some brokered settlement, we’ll be vulnerable to his return. We can’t flinch.”

I wonder whether he is contemplating resignation.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

“Written by Edward Norton (actor):

I’m no political pundit but I grew up with a dad who was a federal prosecutor & he taught me a lot & I’ve also sat a fair amount of poker w serious players & l’ll say this: I do not think Trump is trying to ‘make his base happy’ or ‘laying the groundwork for his own network’ or or that ‘chaos is what he loves’. The core of it is that he knows he’s in deep, multi-dimensional legal jeopardy & this defines his every action.

We’re seeing:
1) a tactical delay of the transition to buy time for coverup & evidence suppression
2) above all, a desperate endgame which is to create enough chaos & anxiety about peaceful transfer of power, & fear of irreparable damage to the system, that he can cut a Nixon-style deal in exchange for finally conceding. But he doesn’t have the cards. His bluff after ‘the flop’ has been called in court.

His ‘turn card’ bluff will be an escalation & his ‘River card’ bluff could be really ugly. But they have to be called. We cannot let this mobster bully the USA into a deal to save his ass by threatening our democracy. THAT is his play. But he’s got junk in his hand. So call him.

I will allow that he’s also a whiny, sulky, petulant, Grinchy, vindictive little 10-ply-super-soft bitch who no doubt is just throwing a wicked pout fest & trying to give a tiny-hand middle finger to the whole country for pure spite, without a single thought for the dead & dying.

But his contemptible, treasonous, seditious assault on the stability of our political compact isn’t about 2024, personal enrichment or anything else other than trying to use chaos & threat to the foundation of the system as leverage to trade for a safe exit. Call. His. Bluff.

Faith in the strength of our sacred institutions & founding principles is severely stretched…but they will hold. They will. He’s leaving, gracelessly & in infamy. But if we trade for it, give him some brokered settlement, we’ll be vulnerable to his return. We can’t flinch.”

I wonder whether he is contemplating resignation.

I wonder how it is that the White House hasn’t yet caught fire from the paper shredders overheating.

Authorities conducting fraud investigations into Donald Trump and his businesses are reportedly looking at consulting fees that may have gone to his daughter Ivanka Trump, prompting her to accuse them of “harassment”.

The New York Times said there were twin New York investigations, one criminal and one civil.

The criminal inquiry, led by the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr, and a civil investigation by the state attorney general, Letitia James, are just some of many legal challenges that will probably face the president and his family business when he returns to being a private citizen.

The report provoked a sharp response from Trump’s eldest daughter, who is a senior presidential adviser.

“This is harassment pure and simple,” Ivanka Trump said on Twitter, linking to the report in the New York Times. “This ‘inquiry’ by NYC democrats is 100% motivated by politics, publicity and rage. They know very well that there’s nothing here and that there was no tax benefit whatsoever. These politicians are simply ruthless.”

The Times, which said the two investigations have subpoenaed the Trump Organization in recent weeks, follows publication of Trump’s long-sought tax records and revelations that he personally guaranteed debt running into the hundreds of millions that could soon be called in or come due.

Trump’s financial and legal stresses appear to be mounting. Earlier this month, Reuters reported that Trump’s main lender, Deutsche Bank, is looking for ways to end its relationship with the president.

Deutsche Bank has about $340m in loans outstanding to the Trump Organization, the president’s umbrella group that is currently overseen by his two sons. The loans, which are against Trump properties and start coming due in two years, are current on payments and personally guaranteed by the president, according Reuters.

Among the latest revelations is that he reduced his tax exposure by deducting about $26m in fees to unidentified consultants as a business expense on several projects in the past decade.

Some of those fees, the Times said, appear to have been paid to Ivanka Trump, including a payment of $747,622 from a consulting company that exactly matched consulting fees claimed as tax deductions by the Trump Organization.

Trump Organization counsel Alan Garten described the development as “just the latest fishing expedition in an ongoing attempt to harass the company”.

Details of the twin investigations have been scarce. The Manhattan DA’s inquiry was originally focused on Trump Organization payments to the porn star Stormy Daniels ahead of the Trump’s 2016 election victory but has since expanded to include insurance and bank-related fraud, tax evasion and grand larceny.

The civil investigation began earlier this year after Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen told Congress that the president had boosted the value of his assets to secure bank loans and reduced them for tax purposes.

In a TV interview this month, James, the New York attorney general, said the outcome of this month’s election was irrelevant to the investigations. She said: “We will just follow the facts and the evidence, wherever they lead us.”

But Trump has dismissed the investigations as “the greatest witch-hunt in history”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/20/ivanka-trump-new-york-fraud-inquiries-donald-trump-organization

sarahs mum said:

Authorities conducting fraud investigations into Donald Trump and his businesses are reportedly looking at consulting fees that may have gone to his daughter Ivanka Trump, prompting her to accuse them of “harassment”.

The New York Times said there were twin New York investigations, one criminal and one civil.

The criminal inquiry, led by the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr, and a civil investigation by the state attorney general, Letitia James, are just some of many legal challenges that will probably face the president and his family business when he returns to being a private citizen.

The report provoked a sharp response from Trump’s eldest daughter, who is a senior presidential adviser.

“This is harassment pure and simple,” Ivanka Trump said on Twitter, linking to the report in the New York Times. “This ‘inquiry’ by NYC democrats is 100% motivated by politics, publicity and rage. They know very well that there’s nothing here and that there was no tax benefit whatsoever. These politicians are simply ruthless.”

The Times, which said the two investigations have subpoenaed the Trump Organization in recent weeks, follows publication of Trump’s long-sought tax records and revelations that he personally guaranteed debt running into the hundreds of millions that could soon be called in or come due.

Trump’s financial and legal stresses appear to be mounting. Earlier this month, Reuters reported that Trump’s main lender, Deutsche Bank, is looking for ways to end its relationship with the president.

Deutsche Bank has about $340m in loans outstanding to the Trump Organization, the president’s umbrella group that is currently overseen by his two sons. The loans, which are against Trump properties and start coming due in two years, are current on payments and personally guaranteed by the president, according Reuters.

Among the latest revelations is that he reduced his tax exposure by deducting about $26m in fees to unidentified consultants as a business expense on several projects in the past decade.

Some of those fees, the Times said, appear to have been paid to Ivanka Trump, including a payment of $747,622 from a consulting company that exactly matched consulting fees claimed as tax deductions by the Trump Organization.

Trump Organization counsel Alan Garten described the development as “just the latest fishing expedition in an ongoing attempt to harass the company”.

Details of the twin investigations have been scarce. The Manhattan DA’s inquiry was originally focused on Trump Organization payments to the porn star Stormy Daniels ahead of the Trump’s 2016 election victory but has since expanded to include insurance and bank-related fraud, tax evasion and grand larceny.

The civil investigation began earlier this year after Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen told Congress that the president had boosted the value of his assets to secure bank loans and reduced them for tax purposes.

In a TV interview this month, James, the New York attorney general, said the outcome of this month’s election was irrelevant to the investigations. She said: “We will just follow the facts and the evidence, wherever they lead us.”

But Trump has dismissed the investigations as “the greatest witch-hunt in history”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/20/ivanka-trump-new-york-fraud-inquiries-donald-trump-organization

Of course it is political. Why is why people in her position should be extra scrupulous to make sure everything is above board. Witch-hunt or no, if they have acted illegally they deserve to be castigated for it. Nothing worse than giving your enemies the ammunition.

sarahs mum said:

Among the latest revelations is that he reduced his tax exposure by deducting about $26m in fees to unidentified consultants as a business expense on several projects in the past decade.

Some of those fees, the Times said, appear to have been paid to Ivanka Trump, including a payment of $747,622 from a consulting company that exactly matched consulting fees claimed as tax deductions by the Trump Organization.

Trump Organization counsel Alan Garten described the development as “just the latest fishing expedition in an ongoing attempt to harass the company”.

You know what they say about ‘fishing expeditions:

sometimes they catch fish.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Authorities conducting fraud investigations into Donald Trump and his businesses are reportedly looking at consulting fees that may have gone to his daughter Ivanka Trump, prompting her to accuse them of “harassment”.

The New York Times said there were twin New York investigations, one criminal and one civil.

The criminal inquiry, led by the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr, and a civil investigation by the state attorney general, Letitia James, are just some of many legal challenges that will probably face the president and his family business when he returns to being a private citizen.

The report provoked a sharp response from Trump’s eldest daughter, who is a senior presidential adviser.

“This is harassment pure and simple,” Ivanka Trump said on Twitter, linking to the report in the New York Times. “This ‘inquiry’ by NYC democrats is 100% motivated by politics, publicity and rage. They know very well that there’s nothing here and that there was no tax benefit whatsoever. These politicians are simply ruthless.”

The Times, which said the two investigations have subpoenaed the Trump Organization in recent weeks, follows publication of Trump’s long-sought tax records and revelations that he personally guaranteed debt running into the hundreds of millions that could soon be called in or come due.

Trump’s financial and legal stresses appear to be mounting. Earlier this month, Reuters reported that Trump’s main lender, Deutsche Bank, is looking for ways to end its relationship with the president.

Deutsche Bank has about $340m in loans outstanding to the Trump Organization, the president’s umbrella group that is currently overseen by his two sons. The loans, which are against Trump properties and start coming due in two years, are current on payments and personally guaranteed by the president, according Reuters.

Among the latest revelations is that he reduced his tax exposure by deducting about $26m in fees to unidentified consultants as a business expense on several projects in the past decade.

Some of those fees, the Times said, appear to have been paid to Ivanka Trump, including a payment of $747,622 from a consulting company that exactly matched consulting fees claimed as tax deductions by the Trump Organization.

Trump Organization counsel Alan Garten described the development as “just the latest fishing expedition in an ongoing attempt to harass the company”.

Details of the twin investigations have been scarce. The Manhattan DA’s inquiry was originally focused on Trump Organization payments to the porn star Stormy Daniels ahead of the Trump’s 2016 election victory but has since expanded to include insurance and bank-related fraud, tax evasion and grand larceny.

The civil investigation began earlier this year after Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen told Congress that the president had boosted the value of his assets to secure bank loans and reduced them for tax purposes.

In a TV interview this month, James, the New York attorney general, said the outcome of this month’s election was irrelevant to the investigations. She said: “We will just follow the facts and the evidence, wherever they lead us.”

But Trump has dismissed the investigations as “the greatest witch-hunt in history”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/20/ivanka-trump-new-york-fraud-inquiries-donald-trump-organization

Of course it is political. Why is why people in her position should be extra scrupulous to make sure everything is above board. Witch-hunt or no, if they have acted illegally they deserve to be castigated for it. Nothing worse than giving your enemies the ammunition.

sigh

Which

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Among the latest revelations is that he reduced his tax exposure by deducting about $26m in fees to unidentified consultants as a business expense on several projects in the past decade.

Some of those fees, the Times said, appear to have been paid to Ivanka Trump, including a payment of $747,622 from a consulting company that exactly matched consulting fees claimed as tax deductions by the Trump Organization.

Trump Organization counsel Alan Garten described the development as “just the latest fishing expedition in an ongoing attempt to harass the company”.

You know what they say about ‘fishing expeditions:

sometimes they catch fish.

Not really working so far in the search for the great election fraud of our times…

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Among the latest revelations is that he reduced his tax exposure by deducting about $26m in fees to unidentified consultants as a business expense on several projects in the past decade.

Some of those fees, the Times said, appear to have been paid to Ivanka Trump, including a payment of $747,622 from a consulting company that exactly matched consulting fees claimed as tax deductions by the Trump Organization.

Trump Organization counsel Alan Garten described the development as “just the latest fishing expedition in an ongoing attempt to harass the company”.

You know what they say about ‘fishing expeditions:

sometimes they catch fish.

Not really working so far in the search for the great election fraud of our times…

That’s not so much a ‘fishing expedition’ as ‘looking for the Loch Ness monster’.

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

You know what they say about ‘fishing expeditions:

sometimes they catch fish.

Not really working so far in the search for the great election fraud of our times…

That’s not so much a ‘fishing expedition’ as ‘looking for the Loch Ness monster’.

Yeah, that works…

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

My guess is that his ego is struggling a little bit to a lot and what to do next is some what not thought of yet… although…. I do realise your jest in text.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

Yeah, nah…

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

jail

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

jail

AFAICR, he was at some risk of going to prison back in the 90s over some shonky bond trading or something, but he managed to dodge it and some other guys took the tall, as they say.

So, prison is still on his bucket list.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

jail

AFAICR, he was at some risk of going to prison back in the 90s over some shonky bond trading or something, but he managed to dodge it and some other guys took the tall, as they say.

So, prison is still on his bucket list.

…took the fall…

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

jail

AFAICR, he was at some risk of going to prison back in the 90s over some shonky bond trading or something, but he managed to dodge it and some other guys took the tall, as they say.

So, prison is still on his bucket list.

In the 1980s his bid to build a casino in Sydney was knocked back because of worries about links to organised crime.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

jail

I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t spend the rest of his life in courts.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

jail

I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t spend the rest of his life in courts.

Televised on his own tv channel.

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

jail

I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t spend the rest of his life in courts.

Televised on his own tv channel.

in an underground bunker…

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t spend the rest of his life in courts.

Televised on his own tv channel.

in an underground bunker…

Out the back of a landscaping shed.

Rule 303 said:

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

Televised on his own tv channel.

in an underground bunker…

Out the back of a landscaping shed.

Ha!

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m just wondering what the future holds for Donald Trump, is the life force still in him.
He’s run giant corporations, he’s become the most powerful man in the world, he’s fought and beaten the great virus, what’s left for him to achieve?
Maybe he’ll just retire and enjoy his grandchildren and sit in front of the fire, reminisce and whittle.

chuckle

I can picture the chap enjoying a modest hobby, a small garden maybe, watering his flowers, perhaps quietly reminiscing about his achievements while

You see when you achieve greatness you attract a lot of knockers, the Donald has seen a lot of knockers and handled a lot of knockers and a lot of them would have been fake knockers and he may not have had the sensual acumen to handle them well, he’s probably had a stormy relationship with fake knockers but it goes with the territory.

Peak Warming Man said:

You see when you achieve greatness you attract a lot of knockers, the Donald has seen a lot of knockers and handled a lot of knockers and a lot of them would have been fake knockers and he may not have had the sensual acumen to handle them well, he’s probably had a stormy relationship with fake knockers but it goes with the territory.

attracting a lot of knockers is not exclusive to greatness.

Peak Warming Man said:

You see when you achieve greatness you attract a lot of knockers, the Donald has seen a lot of knockers and handled a lot of knockers and a lot of them would have been fake knockers and he may not have had the sensual acumen to handle them well, he’s probably had a stormy relationship with fake knockers but it goes with the territory.

Donald Trump isn’t the only one. Pamela Anderson has got fake knockers too.

Peak Warming Man said:

You see when you achieve greatness you attract a lot of knockers, the Donald has seen a lot of knockers and handled a lot of knockers and a lot of them would have been fake knockers and he may not have had the sensual acumen to handle them well, he’s probably had a stormy relationship with fake knockers but it goes with the territory.

ROFL

How long were you brewing that one?

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You see when you achieve greatness you attract a lot of knockers, the Donald has seen a lot of knockers and handled a lot of knockers and a lot of them would have been fake knockers and he may not have had the sensual acumen to handle them well, he’s probably had a stormy relationship with fake knockers but it goes with the territory.

Donald Trump isn’t the only one. Pamela Anderson has got fake knockers too.

Come now, gents; the stormy reference is what makes this golden.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You see when you achieve greatness you attract a lot of knockers, the Donald has seen a lot of knockers and handled a lot of knockers and a lot of them would have been fake knockers and he may not have had the sensual acumen to handle them well, he’s probably had a stormy relationship with fake knockers but it goes with the territory.

ROFL

How long were you brewing that one?

Sometimes creative juices can be lubricated by alcohol but mostly you wake up in the morning and cringe at what you’ve said the night before but that one wasn’t bad.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You see when you achieve greatness you attract a lot of knockers, the Donald has seen a lot of knockers and handled a lot of knockers and a lot of them would have been fake knockers and he may not have had the sensual acumen to handle them well, he’s probably had a stormy relationship with fake knockers but it goes with the territory.

ROFL

How long were you brewing that one?

Sometimes creative juices can be lubricated by alcohol but mostly you wake up in the morning and cringe at what you’ve said the night before but that one wasn’t bad.

even I think it was a decent effort…

>Ronald Brownstein, a senior political analyst for CNN, tweeted on Thursday: “1,869 deaths in a day, heading into Thanksgiving. And the president, without a peep of complaint from his party, has gone AWOL, abandoning his responsibility to protect the country & leaving those in his charge to fend for themselves…”

OTOH, I’m sure they’ll do a better job without the shitgibbon in the way.

Bubblecar said:

>Ronald Brownstein, a senior political analyst for CNN, tweeted on Thursday: “1,869 deaths in a day, heading into Thanksgiving. And the president, without a peep of complaint from his party, has gone AWOL, abandoning his responsibility to protect the country & leaving those in his charge to fend for themselves…”

OTOH, I’m sure they’ll do a better job without the shitgibbon in the way.

They should be spreading the word that Thanksgiving is off. People should be thankful they are still alive and stay home. They shoud wish the extended family greetings on the telephone.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>Ronald Brownstein, a senior political analyst for CNN, tweeted on Thursday: “1,869 deaths in a day, heading into Thanksgiving. And the president, without a peep of complaint from his party, has gone AWOL, abandoning his responsibility to protect the country & leaving those in his charge to fend for themselves…”

OTOH, I’m sure they’ll do a better job without the shitgibbon in the way.

They should be spreading the word that Thanksgiving is off. People should be thankful they are still alive and stay home. They shoud wish the extended family greetings on the telephone.

As one tweet put it “Given the three-week timeline from infection diagnosis to death, a huge family and friend Thanksgiving dinner will provide the opportunity for a huge family and friend Christmas funeral.”

Neophyte said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>Ronald Brownstein, a senior political analyst for CNN, tweeted on Thursday: “1,869 deaths in a day, heading into Thanksgiving. And the president, without a peep of complaint from his party, has gone AWOL, abandoning his responsibility to protect the country & leaving those in his charge to fend for themselves…”

OTOH, I’m sure they’ll do a better job without the shitgibbon in the way.

They should be spreading the word that Thanksgiving is off. People should be thankful they are still alive and stay home. They shoud wish the extended family greetings on the telephone.

As one tweet put it “Given the three-week timeline from infection diagnosis to death, a huge family and friend Thanksgiving dinner will provide the opportunity for a huge family and friend Christmas funeral.”

:(

sarahs mum said:

Neophyte said:

sarahs mum said:

They should be spreading the word that Thanksgiving is off. People should be thankful they are still alive and stay home. They shoud wish the extended family greetings on the telephone.

As one tweet put it “Given the three-week timeline from infection diagnosis to death, a huge family and friend Thanksgiving dinner will provide the opportunity for a huge family and friend Christmas funeral.”

:(

no no really it’s good news get the dead out of the way before 2021 and then you will have a Year Of Greatness to come

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Neophyte said:

As one tweet put it “Given the three-week timeline from infection diagnosis to death, a huge family and friend Thanksgiving dinner will provide the opportunity for a huge family and friend Christmas funeral.”

:(

no no really it’s good news get the dead out of the way before 2021 and then you will have a Year Of Greatness to come

If they’re going to do it, then this is the time of year for it.

It’s winter there. All the snow and ice around the cities will help ease the pressure on the mortuaries.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

:(

no no really it’s good news get the dead out of the way before 2021 and then you will have a Year Of Greatness to come

If they’re going to do it, then this is the time of year for it.

It’s winter there. All the snow and ice around the cities will help ease the pressure on the mortuaries.

Yep. “BRING OUT YA DEAD……….. DING………. BING OUT YA DEAD…….. DING”…… and leave ‘em on the front lawn for later collection..

Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

no no really it’s good news get the dead out of the way before 2021 and then you will have a Year Of Greatness to come

If they’re going to do it, then this is the time of year for it.

It’s winter there. All the snow and ice around the cities will help ease the pressure on the mortuaries.

Yep. “BRING OUT YA DEAD……….. DING………. BING OUT YA DEAD…….. DING”…… and leave ‘em on the front lawn for later collection..

Monty Python has something for every occasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICg

Awesome

ChrispenEvan said:

Awesome

Truth is everyone in Congress has murdered someone.

How America doing ?

Well with all the recounts means orange toad loses those twice.

He loses twice.

Tau.Neutrino said:

How America doing ?

Well with all the recounts means orange toad loses those twice.

He loses twice.

Tau.Neutrino said:

How America doing ?

Well with all the recounts means orange toad loses those twice.

He loses twice.

chuckle

a more modest personality, and stable, might avoid the trap of such recursion

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How America doing ?

Well with all the recounts means orange toad loses those twice.

He loses twice.

chuckle

a more modest personality, and stable, might avoid the trap of such recursion

Nah. He’s fine. He says the air in the USA is 7% cleaner since he quit the unfair Paris agreement. He’s had more tiime for golf than pandemics, despite the fact that people close to him continue to fall ill. He’s great. He’s the greatest.

Trump supporter who exhaled over women during protests is charged with assault

Raymond Deskins charged after breathing forcefully over two women during altercation outside Trump golf club in Virginia

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/trump-supporter-who-exhaled-over-women-during-protests-is-charged-with-assault

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fraud-insight/why-republican-voters-say-theres-no-way-in-hell-trump-lost-idUSKBN2801D4

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fraud-insight/why-republican-voters-say-theres-no-way-in-hell-trump-lost-idUSKBN2801D4

Interestingly enough article, but it doesn’t really explain why.

Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fraud-insight/why-republican-voters-say-theres-no-way-in-hell-trump-lost-idUSKBN2801D4

Interestingly enough article, but it doesn’t really explain why.

Someone who is the greatest ever, cannot possibly lose.

Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-fraud-insight/why-republican-voters-say-theres-no-way-in-hell-trump-lost-idUSKBN2801D4

Interestingly enough article, but it doesn’t really explain why.

Because, well, because they’re stupid…

“If I’m being manipulated by Trump … then he is the greatest con man that ever lived in America,” Caleb Fryar said. “I think he’s the greatest patriot that ever lived.”

“If I’m being manipulated by Trump … then he is the greatest con man that ever lived in America,” Caleb Fryar said.

Given the sheer scale of the con…

This might actually be right.

ChrispenEvan said:

Well…that’s just great, isn’t it?

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Well…that’s just great, isn’t it?

see what happens when you elect a Democrat

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Well…that’s just great, isn’t it?

Trump said something like Make America Great Again

The caps were made in China

and so was COVID19

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Well…that’s just great, isn’t it?

Trump said something like Make America Great Again

The caps were made in China

and so was COVID19

being consistent is supposed to be a good quality! cheeky grin

New York City has lost more than 24,000 people to the coronavirus — a devastating toll that could rise substantially as a second wave hits. But the city has also borne an economic cost that continues to grow and threatens its future.

Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday painted a bleak picture of municipal finances, blaming the pandemic for a nearly $4 billion budget gap projected for the next fiscal year.

Earlier in the year, the problem was a drastic drop in tax revenue, as most economic activity came to a halt. Revenues are still down, but the city is facing the additional burden of billions of dollars in virus-related costs.

Mr. de Blasio, a Democrat in his second and final term, said the city needs another major federal stimulus package to prevent huge layoffs and cuts to city services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/nyregion/coronavirus-budget-nyc.html

You read this and it makes you all the more upset at Trump for not getting Stimulus part 2 together. Also cutting costs in the area of rubbish collection isn’t a good idea. Back when they had their garbage strike they were really close to a ful blown plague outbreak.

Debt…debt…and…more…debt…

A Bigger Crisis Is On The Horizon, And It Will Last For Decades

Tau.Neutrino said:

Debt…debt…and…more…debt…

A Bigger Crisis Is On The Horizon, And It Will Last For Decades

watching that, I think it started off using debt to GDP ratio for Britain immediately after the war, very earliest stages of reconstruction, which is possibly a distortion of economic potential

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Debt…debt…and…more…debt…

A Bigger Crisis Is On The Horizon, And It Will Last For Decades

watching that, I think it started off using debt to GDP ratio for Britain immediately after the war, very earliest stages of reconstruction, which is possibly a distortion of economic potential

i’m sensing propaganda in that, but that’s just me, my view

transition said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Debt…debt…and…more…debt…

A Bigger Crisis Is On The Horizon, And It Will Last For Decades

watching that, I think it started off using debt to GDP ratio for Britain immediately after the war, very earliest stages of reconstruction, which is possibly a distortion of economic potential

i’m sensing propaganda in that, but that’s just me, my view

The mad thing is that Trump doubled the deficit, thanks to his tax cuts for the wealthy, BEFORE the virus crisis

dv said:

transition said:

transition said:

watching that, I think it started off using debt to GDP ratio for Britain immediately after the war, very earliest stages of reconstruction, which is possibly a distortion of economic potential

i’m sensing propaganda in that, but that’s just me, my view

The mad thing is that Trump doubled the deficit, thanks to his tax cuts for the wealthy, BEFORE the virus crisis

if someone asked has there been a conspiracy by private wealth/capital to pump private debt so that formal government shrinks (services provided etc), i’d answer likely, yeah’s been an ideological battleground for a long time now