Need a new one.

You don’t look for a few days, and Sweden slips down in the deaths per million rankings from 18 to 23. Other places must be getting a lot worse.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

buffy said:

Need a new one.

You don’t look for a few days, and Sweden slips down in the deaths per million rankings from 18 to 23. Other places must be getting a lot worse.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Their daily deaths are still very low (compared with other places), if they can be believed.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Need a new one.

You don’t look for a few days, and Sweden slips down in the deaths per million rankings from 18 to 23. Other places must be getting a lot worse.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Their daily deaths are still very low (compared with other places), if they can be believed.

And it looks like their “second wave” may be finishing up already. Looking at the daily deaths graph.

note of course the way they are reported, Sweden deaths are always decreasing

Oooh, Dandrews is briefing. Another day of 00, expected to rescind more restrictions today.

SCIENCE said:

note of course the way they are reported, Sweden deaths are always decreasing

Um no. Cumulative deaths have been increasing. Same as everywhere else. Deaths per day is decreasing again now. Whereas USA deaths per day is not.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

note of course the way they are reported, Sweden deaths are always decreasing

Um no. Cumulative deaths have been increasing. Same as everywhere else. Deaths per day is decreasing again now. Whereas USA deaths per day is not.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Well yes, they have days where they assign negative deaths, which if we understand the meaning of negative really is a decreasing cumulative deaths.

Even besides that, https://ourworldindata.org/covid-sweden-death-reporting is not the same as everywhere else.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

note of course the way they are reported, Sweden deaths are always decreasing

Um no. Cumulative deaths have been increasing. Same as everywhere else. Deaths per day is decreasing again now. Whereas USA deaths per day is not.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Well yes, they have days where they assign negative deaths, which if we understand the meaning of negative really is a decreasing cumulative deaths.

Even besides that, https://ourworldindata.org/covid-sweden-death-reporting is not the same as everywhere else.

There is no worldwide agreed way of reporting deaths. Each country makes up its own method.

For Australia, our provisional mortality stats are only up to July. It takes time for all the reports to come in and be collated.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-jul-2020

And if you are interested, Sweden seems to be running at something like their normal average death rates compared to the last 10 years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

all we’re saying is that some ways of reporting look like recent decreases, whether different reporters report death differently is not our concern

SCIENCE said:

all we’re saying is that some ways of reporting look like recent decreases, whether different reporters report death differently is not our concern

There is always a timing problem with any stats.

anyway in other good news the current state of https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-22/south-australia-avoids-coronavirus-catastophe-steven-marshall/12908262 article

South Australia avoided a coronavirus ‘catastrophe’, Premier Steven Marshall says

South Australian Premier Steven Marshall says the state has avoided a coronavirus “catastrophe” amid the Adelaide virus outbreak.

There are no new cases linked to the Parafield cluster, and only one new case today in a returned traveller from overseas.

About 77,000 tests have been carried out this week, including 16,928 yesterday.

At 12:01am today, the stay-at-home order was lifted, as were a slew of other restrictions including a ban on weddings and funerals, and the closure of all schools, except those teaching the children of essential workers.

The Government aims to relax them to pre-cluster levels at the start of December.

“We have avoided a catastrophic situation in our state by following the unequivocal health advice,” Mr Marshall said.

He said there has been no community transmission — coronavirus cases where the source is unknown — and every case has been traced.

Anyone in South Australia is still urged to get tested as soon as they develop even the mildest symptoms.

Modelling showed risk of ‘very significant’ second wave

SA Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier released modelling she said showed South Australia was at risk of a major “second wave” before the lockdown was announced this week.

She said the model showed a small “but not negligible” chance that new case numbers would have risen above 200 per day without the strict lockdown that was imposed.

“We were looking at facing a second wave here,” Professor Spurrier said.

“Based on that information we had a 99 per cent chance … it was going to be a very significant wave.”

More to come.

It would really help me to know whether we’re all going to be locked down again after Christmas, because there’s a Teskey Brothers / John Butler / Cat Empire gig booked for Feb….

Rule 303 said:

It would really help me to know whether we’re all going to be locked down again after Christmas, because there’s a Teskey Brothers / John Butler / Cat Empire gig booked for Feb….

I’ll email the virus and get back to you

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

It would really help me to know whether we’re all going to be locked down again after Christmas, because there’s a Teskey Brothers / John Butler / Cat Empire gig booked for Feb….

I’ll email the virus and get back to you

Cheers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-22/nsw-coronavirus-gladys-berejiklian-marks-vic-border-reopening/12903540

“This is the last time in our lifetime this border is closed and we know tomorrow morning after midnight it will be a whole new era for both of our states.” – Gladys *
Twelve months ago, no one thought borders would be closed for any reason, ever.

Rule 303 said:

It would really help me to know whether we’re all going to be locked down again after Christmas, because there’s a Teskey Brothers / John Butler / Cat Empire gig booked for Feb….

Hang about.. I’ll ask the kettle

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-22/nsw-coronavirus-gladys-berejiklian-marks-vic-border-reopening/12903540

“This is the last time in our lifetime this border is closed and we know tomorrow morning after midnight it will be a whole new era for both of our states.” – Gladys *
Twelve months ago, no one thought borders would be closed for any reason, ever.

Maybe she means she has terminal Covid.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-22/nsw-coronavirus-gladys-berejiklian-marks-vic-border-reopening/12903540

“This is the last time in our lifetime this border is closed and we know tomorrow morning after midnight it will be a whole new era for both of our states.” – Gladys *
Twelve months ago, no one thought borders would be closed for any reason, ever.

Gladys is 50, so saying ‘this is the last time in our lifetime…’ is a reasonable bet.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-22/nsw-coronavirus-gladys-berejiklian-marks-vic-border-reopening/12903540

“This is the last time in our lifetime this border is closed and we know tomorrow morning after midnight it will be a whole new era for both of our states.” – Gladys *
Twelve months ago, no one thought borders would be closed for any reason, ever.

Wow.. big call Gladwrap

Divine Angel said:

Yeah nice.

Spanish man may be deported after causing South Australian lockdown

Tau.Neutrino said:

Spanish man may be deported after causing South Australian lockdown

Yeah! Get that low-paid immigrant worker! Stab ‘im!

Bugger Dan Andrews!

BiL has just been on the phone inviting us around for lunch xmas day. Apparently we’re allowed to now. This means his wife will be cooking.

sibeen said:

Bugger Dan Andrews!

BiL has just been on the phone inviting us around for lunch xmas day. Apparently we’re allowed to now. This means his wife will be cooking.

Lol

sibeen said:

Bugger Dan Andrews!

BiL has just been on the phone inviting us around for lunch xmas day. Apparently we’re allowed to now. This means his wife will be cooking.

Ah Jesus. Under normal circumstances you could just jump on the 14-night cruise of the south Pacific. Is it too late to book out that week in Mallacoota?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Bugger Dan Andrews!

BiL has just been on the phone inviting us around for lunch xmas day. Apparently we’re allowed to now. This means his wife will be cooking.

Ah Jesus. Under normal circumstances you could just jump on the 14-night cruise of the south Pacific. Is it too late to book out that week in Mallacoota?

it’s taken decades. But I hate Christmas now.

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Bugger Dan Andrews!

BiL has just been on the phone inviting us around for lunch xmas day. Apparently we’re allowed to now. This means his wife will be cooking.

Ah Jesus. Under normal circumstances you could just jump on the 14-night cruise of the south Pacific. Is it too late to book out that week in Mallacoota?

it’s taken decades. But I hate Christmas now.

I’ve hated it from the age of 12.

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Bugger Dan Andrews!

BiL has just been on the phone inviting us around for lunch xmas day. Apparently we’re allowed to now. This means his wife will be cooking.

Ah Jesus. Under normal circumstances you could just jump on the 14-night cruise of the south Pacific. Is it too late to book out that week in Mallacoota?

it’s taken decades. But I hate Christmas now.

I still like xmas. After lunch we’ll be heading to my brother’s place which is out in the bush. I think 4 families are heading there for the evening. We’ll drink and eat lots and then crash. The next day we will sit down and the blokes will watch the cricket and drink beer and the girls will gather round and drink champagne. We’re also staying that night as no-one will be driving.

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

Ah Jesus. Under normal circumstances you could just jump on the 14-night cruise of the south Pacific. Is it too late to book out that week in Mallacoota?

it’s taken decades. But I hate Christmas now.

I’ve hated it from the age of 12.

Christmas Craft. They’re making snowflake masks.

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

it’s taken decades. But I hate Christmas now.

I’ve hated it from the age of 12.

Christmas Craft. They’re making snowflake masks.

MAGA hats and IWS shirts compulsory.

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

Ah Jesus. Under normal circumstances you could just jump on the 14-night cruise of the south Pacific. Is it too late to book out that week in Mallacoota?

it’s taken decades. But I hate Christmas now.

I’ve hated it from the age of 12.

*shakes head slowly.

I read this straight after reading one of my Canadian cousins describe how his elderly best friend and wife have survived Covid but how truly unpleasant it was.

sibeen said:

Bugger Dan Andrews!

BiL has just been on the phone inviting us around for lunch xmas day. Apparently we’re allowed to now. This means his wife will be cooking.

Ha!

buffy said:

Need a new one.

You don’t look for a few days, and Sweden slips down in the deaths per million rankings from 18 to 23. Other places must be getting a lot worse.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

MSNBC: Richard Engel: ON ASSIGNMENT The Race For the Vaccine

Professor Tony Blakely says Victoria has effectively eliminated COVID-19, and he is confident Australia can deal with future outbreaks.

“We are learning how to live with this virus and stamp it out,” he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/mornings/epidemiologist-says-australia-is-learning-how-to-live-with-covid/12910078

Living with ¿¡ Apart from shitty political slogans, the blurb sounds more like living without the virus to us.

But then again we might be stupid and also we haven’t yet heard the full 10 minutes, we admit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-23/sa-police-reveal-more-about-coronavirus-link-to-pizza-bar-worker/12909828

Hah!

And from that piece:

>>“I don’t think he raised with them his suggestions and if he did he would have been told this is impractical — where do you find 1,200 rooms at Woomera or Christmas Island with all of the associated highly qualified staff?”<<

What highly qualified staff? Aren’t the hotels just hotels with some security guards?

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-23/sa-police-reveal-more-about-coronavirus-link-to-pizza-bar-worker/12909828

Hah!

Pizza bar worker not the only person to have lied to coronavirus authorities, police say

We mean, of course not, if he’d gone on and told a few more lies he could almost actually become president of the USSA¡

SCIENCE said:

We mean, of course not, if he’d gone on and told a few more lies he could almost actually become President of the USSA¡

HA! Cute ;-)

Christian Covidiots: A Sunday roll-call

TOP of the list: Trumpite ‘Bishop’ E W Jackson, above. Despite having been ‘vaccinated’ against coronavirus by Psalm 91, Jackson, who founded Exodus Faith Ministries in Virginia, has tested positive for the virus. And so has his wife.

According to this report, the failed Republican Senate candidate, conservative pundit and anti-LGBTQ extremist was diagnosed with the COVID-19 after he claimed in a sermon in March that he couldn’t get it because:

“I’ve taken my vaccine, and my vaccine is Psalm 91. I’m not gonna get the coronavirus. I’m not gonna give anybody the coronavirus, cause I can’t get it, cause I’ve talked to God about it.”

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2020/11/christian-covidiots-a-sunday-roll-call/

Highest Australia flu levels this year since April.

Further on the topic of “Boutique Vaccine Shop”.
Some questions and answers. Further explanations.

Can you provide a simple analogy for a boutique vaccine shop?

• Yes. Apart from biosecurity implications, the process would operate much like dropping off camera film at a chemist shop for making photos.

Why not just extract the vaccine straight from the supplied tissue sample?

• This can be done, and is the fastest way of producing a vaccine. But the tissue sample may contain little virus and contain all sorts of contaminants making purification more difficult. By purifying twice, and growing on lung cells, you get a much higher yield and higher purity with only a one day time penalty.

Why human lung cancer cells?

• Because Covid-19 has been observed to cause tennis-ball sized lung lesions overnight. It grows best in human lung cells. Without genetic manipulation (which would slow things down enormously) it does not grow well in animals. It probably doesn’t grow well in HeLa (human cervical cancer) cells. It may grow well in human stem cells, but why take the risk?
• Because human lung cancers are neoplasms (as opposed to leukemia) so remains physically connected in a single blob, allowing virus to extracted from the cell-free supernatant. In the absense of metastasis, no live human cells make their way into the superantant, making the job of purification much easier.

Which lung cancer?

• Try each to find the best, including non-cancerous cells. This only needs to be done once, overnight.

What about apoptosis of lung cells?

• Blebs from apoptosis can masquerade as viruses. This makes purification more difficult, but does have an upside, it may mean that the Covid-19 vaccine is also a vaccine against lung cancer. Supernatant purity may or may not go down as vaccine yield increases, so a few experiments are needed (once) to optimise the combination of purity and yield.

What about metastasis?

• Any metastatic cells are killed at the same time as the virus. By keeping the lung cells well fed, metastasis is minimised.

Is one day really enough?

• Perhaps so, perhaps not. If there are very few virus particles in the original sample it would take longer, a couple of days. Ditto if there are a lot of orders at the same time and not enough chromatography units to carry out the separation.

Would this vaccine work against all strains?

• It’s not designed to work against all strains. It’s designed to work against the strain in the original sample. A typical use would be to vaccinate all people in direct contact with a coronavirus cluster (single strain) such as family members, health workers and security guards.

Would all vaccines produced be of high quality?

• Variable quality, due to quality of supplied tissue sample and Murphy’s Law. The client specifies a yield. The client can also (if they wish) specify either a purity or a time but not both. An extreme case may be that the supplied tissue sample contains no live viruses at all, in which case a small amount of low quality vaccine can be made from dead viruses in the supplied tissue sample.

What about biosecurity?

• This would be the major capital cost. Some research organisations provide only a single level of biosecurity between cells and researchers. I would insist on two levels of biosecurity for everyone. Everything handled by remote control.

The Bays, They’re Hounding

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-under-fire-over-allegations-she-failed-to-isolate-after-coronavirus-test/ar-BB1bh1Xi?ocid=msedgdhp

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian under fire over allegations she failed to isolate after coronavirus test

The Australian is reporting Ms Berejiklian told colleagues she was awaiting COVID-19 test results while working in Parliament last Tuesday.

Fuck Murdoch

Qld to make a decision today on whether to open borders to greater Sydney, according to the radio news.

Divine Angel said:

Qld to make a decision today on whether to open borders to greater Sydney, according to the radio news.

Yay.

Probably a lie, elimination is impossible, we have to learn to live with the virus.

—

The last COVID-19 patient in a Victorian hospital has been discharged, bringing Victoria closer to officially eliminating the virus.

The Department of Health and Human Services has confirmed the man left Monash Medical Centre yesterday.

The man’s wife, who had also been hospitalised with the virus, was discharged last week.

“Already, there are big concerns about the strategy, with one public health expert calling the plan a “gigantic experiment”.

What’s the plan?

When someone is told by contact tracers that they’ve potentially been exposed to COVID-19, instead of self-isolating for 14 days, they’ll be able to carry on with their lives.

There’s one condition though: They’ll need to have a rapid COVID-19 test for seven days straight.

If they test positive, they’ll have to go into self-isolation at home.”

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Great. Rely on a test that has a low accuracy rate. Way to go, BoJo.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/parts-of-uk-are-about-to-have-even-tougher-covid-restrictions/12912134

Welcome back to Qld, Sydney
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/coronavirus-queensland-nsw-border-restrictions-announcement/12901854

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/two-coronavirus-cases-now-linked-to-parafield-cluster/12915862

They don’t need to do a review of their medi hotel thingie. We’ve just paid to have one done here. They can use our results. We don’t mind.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/3111100/you-will-need-covid-passport-fly-international-future

Plague rats ain’t going to be going anywhere.

:-)

Whoops…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/malaysia-to-close-half-factories-of-worlds-top-latex-glove-maker/12916128

buffy said:

Whoops…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/malaysia-to-close-half-factories-of-worlds-top-latex-glove-maker/12916128

I don’t think they’re Latex.

buffy said:

Whoops…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/malaysia-to-close-half-factories-of-worlds-top-latex-glove-maker/12916128

Whoops, indeeed.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Whoops…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/malaysia-to-close-half-factories-of-worlds-top-latex-glove-maker/12916128

I don’t think they’re Latex.

Some are, some aren’t. My Conform and Second Skin gloves for gardening are latex, probably out of their factories. Mr buffy has some blue gloves that are not latex, Ansell Multi Sensitive. I need “small” and he needs “huge”, so we have to buy separate boxes of disposable gloves around here.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Whoops…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/malaysia-to-close-half-factories-of-worlds-top-latex-glove-maker/12916128

I don’t think they’re Latex.

Some are, some aren’t. My Conform and Second Skin gloves for gardening are latex, probably out of their factories. Mr buffy has some blue gloves that are not latex, Ansell Multi Sensitive. I need “small” and he needs “huge”, so we have to buy separate boxes of disposable gloves around here.

I think blue is for food safe, and they’re always nitrile, AFAIK.

September 18, 1987
HIV Vaccine Approved for Clinical Trials
Beverly Merz
JAMA. 1987;258(11):1433-1434

THE FIRST CLINICAL TRIALS in the United States of a vaccine against human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) are slated to begin this month.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the vaccine, registered as VaxSyn HIV-1 by the manufacturer, MicroGeneSys, Inc, West Haven, Conn, for investigational use Aug 18. It is one of several HIV vaccines in various stages of development in this country. At least three other efforts—by Genentech, San Francisco; two Seattle-based firms, Genetic Systems and a Bristol-Myers subsidiary, Oncogen; and the Institute of Immunological Disorders, Houston—may see vaccines reach clinical trials by year’s end.

VaxSyn HIV-1, a recombinant form of the HIV envelope protein gp 160, is the product of a collaboration between Micro Gene Sys (pronounced “microgenesis”) and investigators at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). MicroGeneSys holds the patent on the vaccine and will pay royalties to the federal government should the vaccine eventually be marketed.

(disclaimer: not our colleague as such)

vertical axis is CO2 level, we think — a surrogate for how good (or bad) the ventilation is

SCIENCE said:

(disclaimer: not our colleague as such)

vertical axis is CO2 level, we think — a surrogate for how good (or bad) the ventilation is

What is being graphed?

SCIENCE said:

(disclaimer: not our colleague as such)

vertical axis is CO2 level, we think — a surrogate for how good (or bad) the ventilation is

Nothing too surprising in that. One the plane is airborne it uses heated bleed air from the engine for the air con, so the air inside the cabin is being refreshed every so often, moreso than when the plane is stationery on the ground. The trains and office buildings are not quite so well ventilated as the cold outdoors.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

(disclaimer: not our colleague as such)

vertical axis is CO2 level, we think — a surrogate for how good (or bad) the ventilation is

What is being graphed?

vertical axis is CO2 level, we think — a surrogate for how good (or bad) the ventilation is

horizontal axis presumably is the 2 hours over their air trip

—

also, mostly unrelatedly, hats off to Michael O’Brien, this is all his good work

Another day of 000 for Vic and a big-spending budget announced yesterday.

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has just confirmed Victorians will be allowed into the state from next Tuesday, December 1st.

Rule 303 said:

Another day of 000 for Vic and a big-spending budget announced yesterday.

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has just confirmed Victorians will be allowed into the state from next Tuesday, December 1st.

“If Australia’s going to open up to Australia, the last thing we want to see, to put Australians at risk, is for a whole scale opening of our international borders — that would be catastrophic.

“Our hotel quarantine across our nation — now that we’re opening up Australia to Australia — needs to be even tighter.

“We still have to live in a COVID-safe world, unfortunately things are not normal, and what we’re seeing overseas in the Northern Hemisphere, you only need one outbreak in hotel quarantine and you’re back to square one,” she said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-25/coronavirus-queensland-border-restrictions-victoria-removed/12914958

Support. Readiness to exclude anyone who pursues a dangerous policy of premature international openings will be a good deterrent.

This Is All That Communist Peter Malinauskas’s Fault

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-25/explainer-what-we-know-about-south-australia-coronavirus-cluster/12918444

obviously we need some fine people to stand back and stand by to prepare for beheadings

Cold plasma can kill coronavirus on common surfaces in seconds

UCLA engineers and scientists have demonstrated that treatments with near-room-temperature, cold atmospheric plasma can kill the coronavirus present on a variety of surfaces in as little as 30 seconds.

more…

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/biden-sympathizes-with-those-who-lost-a-loved-one-to-covid-during-thanksgiving-address-96622661898?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

Thank you.

https://joebiden.com/covid19/

1. Fix Trump’s testing-and-tracing fiasco to ensure all Americans have access to regular, reliable, and free testing.
2. Fix personal protective equipment (PPE) problems for good.
3. Provide clear, consistent, evidence-based national guidance for how communities should navigate the pandemic — and the resources for schools, small businesses, and families to make it through.
4. Plan for the effective, equitable distribution of treatments and vaccines because discovering isn’t enough if they get distributed like Trump’s testing and PPE fiascos.
5. Protect Older Americans and Others at High Risk.
6. Joe Biden understands that Trump’s failed response has made older Americans and others at high-risk even more vulnerable.
7. Rebuild and expand the defenses that Trump has dismantled to predict, prevent, and mitigate pandemic threats, including those coming from China.
8. Implement mask mandates nationwide by working with governors and mayors and by asking the American people to do what they do best: step up in a time of crisis.
• Experts say that if 95% of Americans wear masks between now and December, we can save almost 70,000 lives. Joe has called on:
• Every American to wear a mask when they are around people outside their household
• Every Governor to make that mandatory in their state
• Local authorities to also make it mandatory to buttress their state orders

The AstraZeneca Covid Vaccine Data Isn’t Up to Snuff

There’s been even more good news this week, this time from the Oxford-AstraZeneca trials. But a closer look reveals some very shaky science.

esselte said:

The AstraZeneca Covid Vaccine Data Isn’t Up to Snuff

There’s been even more good news this week, this time from the Oxford-AstraZeneca trials. But a closer look reveals some very shaky science.

nice to see good science in action.

ChrispenEvan said:

esselte said:

The AstraZeneca Covid Vaccine Data Isn’t Up to Snuff

There’s been even more good news this week, this time from the Oxford-AstraZeneca trials. But a closer look reveals some very shaky science.

nice to see good science in action.

These things cannot be rushed.

Covid-19 and HIV are both ssRNA viruses. Looking at the similarities and differences.

Covid-19 has multiple surface proteins, but the main ones are the spike proteins arranged in groups of 3. Another familiar one is the haemagglutin protein similar to that in influenza viruses.

HIV has only one (non-human) surface protein-group, consisting of a groups of three gp41 proteins arranged as a tripod supporting a gp120 protein cap. The gp120 protein has a large number of possible glycosylations on the surface which change its external shape, as part of the process of fooling antibodies.

From wikipedia:

“As the sole viral protein on the surface of the virus, the envelope protein is a major target for HIV vaccine efforts. Over half of the mass of the trimeric envelope spike is N-linked glycans. The density is high as the glycans shield the underlying viral protein from neutralisation by antibodies. This is one of the most densely glycosylated molecules known and the density is sufficiently high to prevent the normal maturation process of glycans during biogenesis in the endoplasmic and Golgi apparatus. The majority of the glycans are therefore stalled as immature ‘high-mannose’ glycans not normally present on human glycoproteins that are secreted or present on a cell surface. The unusual processing and high density means that almost all broadly neutralising antibodies that have so far been identified bind to, or are adapted to cope with, these envelope glycans.”

This leads to the obvious question – does Covid-19 also have a range of glycosylations on its spike protein?

From https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.565278/full

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). A total of 228 sequences of variants had multiple variations, of note, most of them harboring the D614G mutation. we detected 9 predicted N-glycosylation sites and 3 O-glycosylation sites unique to SARS-CoV-2, but no evidently observed variation of the glycan sites so far. Viral Spike protein is modified by glycosylation.

We generated a scatter diagram to analyze amino acid variations in S protein for the selected sequences. A total of 18 relatively high frequency amino acid variation sites were detected. See figure below.

The following shows the multiplication of virus strains affecting the Spike protein as a function of location and time. (I’ve been saying since at least March that there were multiple strains). Note how an original two strains has expanded. If it had been hit by a vaccine early enough then most of the multiple strains would never have developed.

mollwollfumble said:

If it had been hit by a vaccine early enough then most of the multiple strains would never have developed.

If wishes were horses….

We did not have any vaccines earlier. We do not have any vaccines now. There are a number of vaccine candidates being trialed.

esselte said:

mollwollfumble said:

If it had been hit by a vaccine early enough then most of the multiple strains would never have developed.

If wishes were horses….

We did not have any vaccines earlier. We do not have any vaccines now. There are a number of vaccine candidates being trialed.

nods.

Lots of charts and data for all you nerds.

https://theconversation.com/data-from-45-countries-show-containing-covid-vs-saving-the-economy-is-a-false-dichotomy-150533

Divine Angel said:

Lots of charts and data for all you nerds.

https://theconversation.com/data-from-45-countries-show-containing-covid-vs-saving-the-economy-is-a-false-dichotomy-150533

I’ll admit to finding some of those graphs confusing. This one has log(cases per million) on its y-axis. Australia is sitting at about 5.5 which seems to indicate – err, I’m mot sure, unless log(5.5) = 0.74 is supposed to mean something. Did we have about 700 cases/million at the end of Q2?

Quick question – Will Sydney open up before Christmas? If so, when?

Dark Orange said:

Quick question – Will Sydney open up before Christmas? If so, when?

New Years.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

Quick question – Will Sydney open up before Christmas? If so, when?

New Years.

Sydney Hobart yacht race will take (covid safe) place on Boxing Day as usual.
The Boxing Day test will take place at the MCG.

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

You need a crystal ball, not a forum. It depends, bless you, it all depends. On people coming in from overseas, mainly, and bringing bugs with them.

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-restrictions-border-australia-covid-travel-rules/12882996

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-restrictions-border-australia-covid-travel-rules/12882996

https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing
https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing/map

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-restrictions-border-australia-covid-travel-rules/12882996

https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing
https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing/map

I know the rules – I can currently land in Sydney and drive straight out without touching any plague-ridden Mexicans and still be able to re-enter Queensland. But I’d like to be able to stop in and have a beer with a mate. And more importantly, I’d like to do a road-trip with said mate into QLD, but current rules say “No”.

I am just wanting to gauge the general feeling of how well the quarantining is going, and if people think the border restrictions will be relaxed for Christmas.

Yes, I am wanting you to use your crystal balls and logical conclusions.

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

As of Dec 1 everything is open, no requirements for border pass into Qld.
No more Qld border check points.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

As of Dec 1 everything is open, no requirements for border pass into Qld.
No more Qld border check points.

Taks notes

Dark Orange said:

Quick question – Will Sydney open up before Christmas? If so, when?

1 December to Qld.

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

As of Dec 1 everything is open, no requirements for border pass into Qld.
No more Qld border check points.

Taks notes

Talking to a cop on the border check point yesterday, not only will the check points all be gone but all the overtime will be gone as well he cried.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

As of Dec 1 everything is open, no requirements for border pass into Qld.
No more Qld border check points.

Taks notes

Talking to a cop on the border check point yesterday, not only will the check points all be gone but all the overtime will be gone as well he cried.

Is this another Liberal corruption grant thing or similar,

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

As of Dec 1 everything is open, no requirements for border pass into Qld.
No more Qld border check points.

Unless you come from Adelaide.

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-14/coronavirus-restrictions-border-australia-covid-travel-rules/12882996

https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing
https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing/map

I know the rules – I can currently land in Sydney and drive straight out without touching any plague-ridden Mexicans and still be able to re-enter Queensland. But I’d like to be able to stop in and have a beer with a mate. And more importantly, I’d like to do a road-trip with said mate into QLD, but current rules say “No”.

I am just wanting to gauge the general feeling of how well the quarantining is going, and if people think the border restrictions will be relaxed for Christmas.

Yes, I am wanting you to use your crystal balls and logical conclusions.

Imma gonna say yes, we’re all good.

Yesterday there were reports that 35 Sydney suburbs were on warning because strands of Covid had been found in sewerage. AFAIK there have been similar reports from all around the country with no major outbreaks.

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing
https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing/map

I know the rules – I can currently land in Sydney and drive straight out without touching any plague-ridden Mexicans and still be able to re-enter Queensland. But I’d like to be able to stop in and have a beer with a mate. And more importantly, I’d like to do a road-trip with said mate into QLD, but current rules say “No”.

I am just wanting to gauge the general feeling of how well the quarantining is going, and if people think the border restrictions will be relaxed for Christmas.

Yes, I am wanting you to use your crystal balls and logical conclusions.

Imma gonna say yes, we’re all good.

Yesterday there were reports that 35 Sydney suburbs were on warning because strands of Covid had been found in sewerage. AFAIK there have been similar reports from all around the country with no major outbreaks.

it’s been found in sewerage in NQ as well I think.

Peak Warming Man said:

Talking to a cop on the border check point yesterday, not only will the check points all be gone but all the overtime will be gone as well he cried.

“We’ll all be rooned” cried Sgt. Hanrahan.

For DO:

———————————————————————————————————————————-

“COVID-19 hotspots

Queensland borders will open to all of New South Wales and Victoria from Tuesday 1 December 2020. This page will be updated soon.

Hotspots are places in Australia where health officials have found a lot of people with COVID-19, or places that are at risk of a lot of COVID-19 infections. Hotspots are legally listed so that people travelling from those high-risk areas into Queensland can be identified.

South Australia

From 11.59pm Monday 16 November 2020:

20 South Australian LGAs will be considered COVID-19 hotspots.”

——————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/hotspots-covid-19

Divine Angel said:

strands of Covid had been found in sewerage.

Cough
“Sewage”

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Dark Orange said:

I know the rules – I can currently land in Sydney and drive straight out without touching any plague-ridden Mexicans and still be able to re-enter Queensland. But I’d like to be able to stop in and have a beer with a mate. And more importantly, I’d like to do a road-trip with said mate into QLD, but current rules say “No”.

I am just wanting to gauge the general feeling of how well the quarantining is going, and if people think the border restrictions will be relaxed for Christmas.

Yes, I am wanting you to use your crystal balls and logical conclusions.

Imma gonna say yes, we’re all good.

Yesterday there were reports that 35 Sydney suburbs were on warning because strands of Covid had been found in sewerage. AFAIK there have been similar reports from all around the country with no major outbreaks.

it’s been found in sewerage in NQ as well I think.

A single instance, then no more.

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Talking to a cop on the border check point yesterday, not only will the check points all be gone but all the overtime will be gone as well he cried.

“We’ll all be rooned” cried Sgt. Hanrahan.

Sgt. ‘kn Smith said the same thing but more colourfully.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

As of Dec 1 everything is open, no requirements for border pass into Qld.
No more Qld border check points.

*Subject to updated conditions

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Imma gonna say yes, we’re all good.

Yesterday there were reports that 35 Sydney suburbs were on warning because strands of Covid had been found in sewerage. AFAIK there have been similar reports from all around the country with no major outbreaks.

it’s been found in sewerage in NQ as well I think.

A single instance, then no more.

(Townsville)

+ Cairns, Rocky, Airlie Beach and many places in the SE Corner, too.

Dark Orange said:

Divine Angel said:

strands of Covid had been found in sewerage.

Cough
“Sewage”

and where is sewage found

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

Divine Angel said:

strands of Covid had been found in sewerage.

Cough
“Sewage”

and where is sewage found

PMSL

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

You need a crystal ball, not a forum. It depends, bless you, it all depends. On people coming in from overseas, mainly, and bringing bugs with them.

You could say it depends on the less capable states not fucking up again 😛.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

The reason I ask is because I’m flying down to Newcastle in under 2 weeks – My ability to enter Sydney (and for sydney folk to enter QLD) is pretty important to my plans.

You need a crystal ball, not a forum. It depends, bless you, it all depends. On people coming in from overseas, mainly, and bringing bugs with them.

You could say it depends on the less capable states not fucking up again 😛.

We should be right for a little while now, we are out of the routine cold and flu season now. And we are not America, so we shouldn’t have as much of a Summer problem as they had.

Interesting article.

“A Clinical Trials Expert Explains Why We Should Feel Optimistic About COVID Vaccines”

https://www.sciencealert.com/researcher-explains-why-covid-vaccines-aren-t-rush-jobs-we-should-worry-about-2

Michael V said:

Interesting article.

“A Clinical Trials Expert Explains Why We Should Feel Optimistic About COVID Vaccines”

https://www.sciencealert.com/researcher-explains-why-covid-vaccines-aren-t-rush-jobs-we-should-worry-about-2

Very good article.

“Ten years to develop a vaccine is a bad thing

So next time somebody expresses concern at the astonishing speed the vaccine trials have happened at, point out to them that ten years isn’t a good thing, it’s a bad thing.
It’s not ten years because that is safe, it’s ten hard years of battling indifference, commercial imperatives, luck and red tape. It represents barriers in the process that we have now proved are “easy” to overcome.
You just need unlimited cash, some clever and highly motivated people, all the world’s trial infrastructure, an almost unlimited pool of altruistic, wonderful trial volunteers and some sensible regulators.”

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Interesting article.

“A Clinical Trials Expert Explains Why We Should Feel Optimistic About COVID Vaccines”

https://www.sciencealert.com/researcher-explains-why-covid-vaccines-aren-t-rush-jobs-we-should-worry-about-2

Very good article.

“Ten years to develop a vaccine is a bad thing

So next time somebody expresses concern at the astonishing speed the vaccine trials have happened at, point out to them that ten years isn’t a good thing, it’s a bad thing.
It’s not ten years because that is safe, it’s ten hard years of battling indifference, commercial imperatives, luck and red tape. It represents barriers in the process that we have now proved are “easy” to overcome.
You just need unlimited cash, some clever and highly motivated people, all the world’s trial infrastructure, an almost unlimited pool of altruistic, wonderful trial volunteers and some sensible regulators.”

…and Bill gates.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/iowa-utah-north-dakota-public-health-orders-coronavirus-2020-11?r

How the governors of Iowa, Utah, and North Dakota pivoted and issued public health orders to contain recent coronavirus surges

Cases of coronavirus are surging across the United States. As more people congregate indoors in the cold weather and pandemic fatigue leads to more risk-taking behaviour, data shows an alarming surge of new daily coronavirus cases.

The US has a total of over 12 million confirmed cases and over 250,000 deaths from coronavirus, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The Centres for Disease Control and Prevention has urged the public in recent weeks to forgo any travel for the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday and a bipartisan group of governors from seven states penned an op-ed in the Washington Post asking families to “reconsider” spending the holiday with “people outside your household.”

In addition to recommendations from the national level, a number of states and cities have announced new restrictions in the wake of the rising cases, including three governors who have pivoted from their previous stances to enforce statewide mask mandates.

Here’s how the governors of Utah, Iowa, and North Dakota eventually ordered the policies in response to the country’s third wave.

——

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/coronavirus-queensland/12923476

Police in isolation after contact with a positive person in hotel quarantine. But, but, but…we should be using police and army instead of private security guards because…

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/coronavirus-queensland/12923476

Police in isolation after contact with a positive person in hotel quarantine. But, but, but…we should be using police and army instead of private security guards because…

You need a competent public health unit as well else it’s all useless.

(CNN)In a 5-4 ruling, the US Supreme Court sided with religious organizations in a dispute over Covid-19 restrictions put in place by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo limiting the number of people attending religious services.

The case is the latest pitting religious groups against city and state officials seeking to stop the spread of Covid-19, and it highlights the impact of Justice Amy Coney Barrett on the Court. The decision comes as coronavirus cases surge across the country.

In the late-night decision, Barrett sided with her conservative colleagues in the dispute, while Chief Justice John Roberts joined the three liberal justices in dissent. The ruling underscores Barrett’s impact on the bench, reflecting the Court’s rightward shift.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/26/politics/supreme-court-religious-restrictions-ruling-covid/index.html

A man accused of spreading antisemitic coronavirus hoax material to “stir up racial hatred” has appeared at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-antisemitic-coronavirus-hoax-wears-nazi-armband-at-court-hearing/

dv said:

A man accused of spreading antisemitic coronavirus hoax material to “stir up racial hatred” has appeared at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-antisemitic-coronavirus-hoax-wears-nazi-armband-at-court-hearing/

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

dv said:

A man accused of spreading antisemitic coronavirus hoax material to “stir up racial hatred” has appeared at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-antisemitic-coronavirus-hoax-wears-nazi-armband-at-court-hearing/

Is that sort of thing still allowed over there? The wearing of such armbands, and the wearing of them into a court…?

sibeen said:

dv said:

A man accused of spreading antisemitic coronavirus hoax material to “stir up racial hatred” has appeared at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-antisemitic-coronavirus-hoax-wears-nazi-armband-at-court-hearing/

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

They’ve been emboldened.

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

A man accused of spreading antisemitic coronavirus hoax material to “stir up racial hatred” has appeared at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-antisemitic-coronavirus-hoax-wears-nazi-armband-at-court-hearing/

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

They’ve been emboldened.

By the Tories?, by Brexit? By Trump ?

party_pants said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

They’ve been emboldened.

By the Tories?, by Brexit? By Trump ?

Hard to say

sibeen said:

dv said:

A man accused of spreading antisemitic coronavirus hoax material to “stir up racial hatred” has appeared at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-antisemitic-coronavirus-hoax-wears-nazi-armband-at-court-hearing/

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

It’s still a very effective response to neo-nazis in Australia to point out that we literally fought two world wars against those ideas. Shuts them down immediately, IME. No person claiming patriotic motivations is likely to argue with that…..

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

They’ve been emboldened.

By the Tories?, by Brexit? By Trump ?

Hard to say

I know, let’s blame Jeremy Corbyn!

party_pants said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

They’ve been emboldened.

By the Tories?, by Brexit? By Trump ?

Hold on, you missed Labour and/or Corben.

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

By the Tories?, by Brexit? By Trump ?

Hard to say

I know, let’s blame Jeremy Corbyn!

And you at least spelt his name correctly.

abashed rictus grin

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Hard to say

I know, let’s blame Jeremy Corbyn!

And you at least spelt his name correctly.

abashed rictus grin

As soon as i thought of it I had to post, just in case sibeen was back to reading my posts and felt bound to mention it first. It was a bit of a slaps forehead “how did I miss mentioning that” moment.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

A man accused of spreading antisemitic coronavirus hoax material to “stir up racial hatred” has appeared at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-antisemitic-coronavirus-hoax-wears-nazi-armband-at-court-hearing/

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

It’s still a very effective response to neo-nazis in Australia to point out that we literally fought two world wars against those ideas. Shuts them down immediately, IME. No person claiming patriotic motivations is likely to argue with that…..

Nothing says “winner” to me like someone with a Confederate flag cap and a swastika tattoo. They should add a Napoleonic bicorne to complete the ensemble of defeat.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

They’ve been emboldened.

By the Tories?, by Brexit? By Trump ?

Hold on, you missed Labour and/or Corben.

Corbyn’s been a campaigner against antisemitism literally since before I was born

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/hidden-impact-of-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-urban-inequality/12903388

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/hidden-impact-of-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-urban-inequality/12903388

Must be a good time for guillotine makers though

Y’all been listening to that northern stick insect, Lincoln, too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuY-mx-LVdM

Peak Warming Man said:

Y’all been listening to that northern stick insect, Lincoln, too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuY-mx-LVdM

I mean what’s a beanpole like that doing with a stovepipe hat? He must have been 8 foot to the lid.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

How things have changed in my lifetime. I was born in 1962, I suspect that if anyone had turned up at the Old Bailey wearing a Nazi armband in that year they would have required an armed escort.

It’s still a very effective response to neo-nazis in Australia to point out that we literally fought two world wars against those ideas. Shuts them down immediately, IME. No person claiming patriotic motivations is likely to argue with that…..

Nothing says “winner” to me like someone with a Confederate flag cap and a swastika tattoo. They should add a Napoleonic bicorne to complete the ensemble of defeat.

The insertion of US rebel culture into the Australian consciousness has been amazingly effective. Surely there’s less destructive strategies to sell Bourbon.

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

It’s still a very effective response to neo-nazis in Australia to point out that we literally fought two world wars against those ideas. Shuts them down immediately, IME. No person claiming patriotic motivations is likely to argue with that…..

Nothing says “winner” to me like someone with a Confederate flag cap and a swastika tattoo. They should add a Napoleonic bicorne to complete the ensemble of defeat.

The insertion of US rebel culture into the Australian consciousness has been amazingly effective. Surely there’s less destructive strategies to sell Bourbon.

And don’t get me started on Volkswagen

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Nothing says “winner” to me like someone with a Confederate flag cap and a swastika tattoo. They should add a Napoleonic bicorne to complete the ensemble of defeat.

The insertion of US rebel culture into the Australian consciousness has been amazingly effective. Surely there’s less destructive strategies to sell Bourbon.

And don’t get me started on Volkswagen

Nah go on, you know you want to….

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

It’s still a very effective response to neo-nazis in Australia to point out that we literally fought two world wars against those ideas. Shuts them down immediately, IME. No person claiming patriotic motivations is likely to argue with that…..

Nothing says “winner” to me like someone with a Confederate flag cap and a swastika tattoo. They should add a Napoleonic bicorne to complete the ensemble of defeat.

The insertion of US rebel culture into the Australian consciousness has been amazingly effective. Surely there’s less destructive strategies to sell Bourbon.

Outside of a very small biker style fraternity I would have thought it was nearly non-existent.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Nothing says “winner” to me like someone with a Confederate flag cap and a swastika tattoo. They should add a Napoleonic bicorne to complete the ensemble of defeat.

The insertion of US rebel culture into the Australian consciousness has been amazingly effective. Surely there’s less destructive strategies to sell Bourbon.

Outside of a very small biker style fraternity I would have thought it was nearly non-existent.

ref?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

The insertion of US rebel culture into the Australian consciousness has been amazingly effective. Surely there’s less destructive strategies to sell Bourbon.

Outside of a very small biker style fraternity I would have thought it was nearly non-existent.

ref?

Mate, you made the claim. I don’t see it at all.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Outside of a very small biker style fraternity I would have thought it was nearly non-existent.

ref?

Mate, you made the claim. I don’t see it at all.

I am likewise unaware of changes in electrical engineering.

I just saw a post in ‘where the science things are’ about an increase in negative feedback to ‘yankee candles’ about their scented candles not being scented. The company put up information about covid and told people to get tested.

sarahs mum said:

I just saw a post in ‘where the science things are’ about an increase in negative feedback to ‘yankee candles’ about their scented candles not being scented. The company put up information about covid and told people to get tested.

Ha! I love it.

The batch of WHO Hand Sanitiser I made early this year had three scent fronts that appeared as the spray came out of the bottle, and the ethanol and water evaporated in turn. If loss of smell was a symptom, that’s a pretty good test.

Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

I just saw a post in ‘where the science things are’ about an increase in negative feedback to ‘yankee candles’ about their scented candles not being scented. The company put up information about covid and told people to get tested.

Ha! I love it.

The batch of WHO Hand Sanitiser I made early this year had three scent fronts that appeared as the spray came out of the bottle, and the ethanol and water evaporated in turn. If loss of smell was a symptom, that’s a pretty good test.

Ah, now I get it. The loss of smell thing being a possible symptom.

slaps forehead

Rule 303 said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

It’s still a very effective response to neo-nazis in Australia to point out that we literally fought two world wars against those ideas. Shuts them down immediately, IME. No person claiming patriotic motivations is likely to argue with that…..

Nothing says “winner” to me like someone with a Confederate flag cap and a swastika tattoo. They should add a Napoleonic bicorne to complete the ensemble of defeat.

The insertion of US rebel culture into the Australian consciousness has been amazingly effective. Surely there’s less destructive strategies to sell Bourbon.

that subject, just having a look at the list of biker movies, there’s been a few

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biker_films

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easy_Rider

no question I was influenced by that sort of thing^, not saying it was all bad

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/pakistan-cricket-six-squad-members-covid19-positive-in-nz/12925402

well fuck if this creates a new outbreak

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/pakistan-cricket-six-squad-members-covid19-positive-in-nz/12925402

well fuck if this creates a new outbreak

Why didn’t they test them before they left their country?

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/pakistan-cricket-six-squad-members-covid19-positive-in-nz/12925402

well fuck if this creates a new outbreak

Why didn’t they test them before they left their country?

Pakistan cricketers fail test before playing.

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/pakistan-cricket-six-squad-members-covid19-positive-in-nz/12925402

well fuck if this creates a new outbreak

Just not cricket.

it’s time for the Good News first

Communist Sweden Suppresses Media

SCIENCE said:

it’s time for the Good News first

and then, at least there’s Even Better News to come

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-27/has-victoria-eliminated-covid-after-28-days-of-zero-new-cases/12923402

After 28 days of zero new cases, has Victoria eliminated coronavirus?

Epidemiologist Emma McBryde said the 28-day milestone was an “important number” for Victoria, and a target she previously thought the state would be unable to achieve.

“I think it’s reasonable to say we in Victoria have most likely eliminated coronavirus.

“The next step of course is how we can … ensure that it stays away.”

evidence of a hypermilitarised society

SCIENCE said:

evidence of a hypermilitarised society

No.

SCIENCE said:

it’s time for the Good News first

Communist Sweden Suppresses Media

I mean I suppose it is possible, but that’s not how it is looking now. Sweden had 618 deaths so far this month. Norway has had 34 deaths this month.

so wegeddit, finish what you start, et cetera, as SCIENCE we should know it is worth investigating things to establish facts

still you have to wonder if this whole hotel quarantine inquiry thing is really particularly meaningful

certainly the recent South Australia experience might suggest luck has had much more to do with it than any BS about sleepy or sexy security guards hey

the problem with barking up the wrong tree is that it takes attention away from the correct tree, and maybe there’d be more to learn from comparing the {VIC 1 delay 2 delay 3 small scale persecutory lockdown 4 oh shit statewide freeze} to the {SA wait WTF there are local cases quick shut everything now}

but we don’t know everything so please form your own opinions reasoned judgements

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-27/coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-inquiry-text-messages-released/12928810

Interesting study. The participants did home quarantine and then very rigid quarantine and the bugger still showed up.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

“SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine”

Methods

We investigated SARS-CoV-2 infections among U.S. Marine Corps recruits who underwent a 2-week quarantine at home followed by a second supervised 2-week quarantine at a closed college campus that involved mask wearing, social distancing, and daily temperature and symptom monitoring. Study volunteers were tested for SARS-CoV-2 by means of quantitative polymerase-chain-reaction (qPCR) assay of nares swab specimens obtained between the time of arrival and the second day of supervised quarantine and on days 7 and 14. Recruits who did not volunteer for the study underwent qPCR testing only on day 14, at the end of the quarantine period. We performed phylogenetic analysis of viral genomes obtained from infected study volunteers to identify clusters and to assess the epidemiologic features of infections.

Conclusions

Among Marine Corps recruits, approximately 2% who had previously had negative results for SARS-CoV-2 at the beginning of supervised quarantine, and less than 2% of recruits with unknown previous status, tested positive by day 14. Most recruits who tested positive were asymptomatic, and no infections were detected through daily symptom monitoring. Transmission clusters occurred within platoons. (Funded by the Defense Health Agency and others.)

buffy said:

Interesting study. The participants did home quarantine and then very rigid quarantine and the bugger still showed up.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

“SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine”

Methods

We investigated SARS-CoV-2 infections among U.S. Marine Corps recruits who underwent a 2-week quarantine at home followed by a second supervised 2-week quarantine at a closed college campus that involved mask wearing, social distancing, and daily temperature and symptom monitoring. Study volunteers were tested for SARS-CoV-2 by means of quantitative polymerase-chain-reaction (qPCR) assay of nares swab specimens obtained between the time of arrival and the second day of supervised quarantine and on days 7 and 14. Recruits who did not volunteer for the study underwent qPCR testing only on day 14, at the end of the quarantine period. We performed phylogenetic analysis of viral genomes obtained from infected study volunteers to identify clusters and to assess the epidemiologic features of infections.

Conclusions

Among Marine Corps recruits, approximately 2% who had previously had negative results for SARS-CoV-2 at the beginning of supervised quarantine, and less than 2% of recruits with unknown previous status, tested positive by day 14. Most recruits who tested positive were asymptomatic, and no infections were detected through daily symptom monitoring. Transmission clusters occurred within platoons. (Funded by the Defense Health Agency and others.)

It’s a strange study. Some recruits brought it from home and then infected their room mate (s) and others in the platoon. Although the quarantine may have been strict, it was not complete isolation.

Bloody Mark McGowan Keeps The Heavenly Good Stuff For Himself Yet Again

but it’s almost certainly Dan’s fault

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-11-27/jupiter-and-saturn-in-a-once-in-a-lifetime-grand-conjunction/12895088?nw=0

While the planets will look very close wherever you are on December 21, the actual conjunction occurs at precisely 13.33 UTC, by which time it has set over most of Australia and is just sinking out of view from Perth.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Interesting study. The participants did home quarantine and then very rigid quarantine and the bugger still showed up.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

“SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine”

Methods

We investigated SARS-CoV-2 infections among U.S. Marine Corps recruits who underwent a 2-week quarantine at home followed by a second supervised 2-week quarantine at a closed college campus that involved mask wearing, social distancing, and daily temperature and symptom monitoring. Study volunteers were tested for SARS-CoV-2 by means of quantitative polymerase-chain-reaction (qPCR) assay of nares swab specimens obtained between the time of arrival and the second day of supervised quarantine and on days 7 and 14. Recruits who did not volunteer for the study underwent qPCR testing only on day 14, at the end of the quarantine period. We performed phylogenetic analysis of viral genomes obtained from infected study volunteers to identify clusters and to assess the epidemiologic features of infections.

Conclusions

Among Marine Corps recruits, approximately 2% who had previously had negative results for SARS-CoV-2 at the beginning of supervised quarantine, and less than 2% of recruits with unknown previous status, tested positive by day 14. Most recruits who tested positive were asymptomatic, and no infections were detected through daily symptom monitoring. Transmission clusters occurred within platoons. (Funded by the Defense Health Agency and others.)

It’s a strange study. Some recruits brought it from home and then infected their room mate (s) and others in the platoon. Although the quarantine may have been strict, it was not complete isolation.

And they didn’t have a similar group doing whatever they do normally, to see if the strict quarantine made any difference.

SCIENCE said:

Bloody Mark McGowan Keeps The Heavenly Good Stuff For Himself Yet Again

but it’s almost certainly Dan’s fault

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-11-27/jupiter-and-saturn-in-a-once-in-a-lifetime-grand-conjunction/12895088?nw=0

While the planets will look very close wherever you are on December 21, the actual conjunction occurs at precisely 13.33 UTC, by which time it has set over most of Australia and is just sinking out of view from Perth.

I’ll get the ladder out.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Interesting study. The participants did home quarantine and then very rigid quarantine and the bugger still showed up.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

“SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine”

Methods

We investigated SARS-CoV-2 infections among U.S. Marine Corps recruits who underwent a 2-week quarantine at home followed by a second supervised 2-week quarantine at a closed college campus that involved mask wearing, social distancing, and daily temperature and symptom monitoring. Study volunteers were tested for SARS-CoV-2 by means of quantitative polymerase-chain-reaction (qPCR) assay of nares swab specimens obtained between the time of arrival and the second day of supervised quarantine and on days 7 and 14. Recruits who did not volunteer for the study underwent qPCR testing only on day 14, at the end of the quarantine period. We performed phylogenetic analysis of viral genomes obtained from infected study volunteers to identify clusters and to assess the epidemiologic features of infections.

Conclusions

Among Marine Corps recruits, approximately 2% who had previously had negative results for SARS-CoV-2 at the beginning of supervised quarantine, and less than 2% of recruits with unknown previous status, tested positive by day 14. Most recruits who tested positive were asymptomatic, and no infections were detected through daily symptom monitoring. Transmission clusters occurred within platoons. (Funded by the Defense Health Agency and others.)

It’s a strange study. Some recruits brought it from home and then infected their room mate (s) and others in the platoon. Although the quarantine may have been strict, it was not complete isolation.

You might like to look at this one that looks from a different angle.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full

(Yes, I’ve been reading Dr Sebastian Rushworth again. He’s given his take on both of those. I like to look at the actual papers as well though. And the comments on his blog are often worth a quick look.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/25/new-evidence-on-the-effectiveness-of-lockdown/

As the vaccine hyperbole stabilises, the reality sinks in…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-28/has-australia-picked-the-covid19-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-dud/12928128

Dr Porges wasn’t convinced.

“We called it first,” he told the ABC.

“We said, ‘we think the company has embellished the data’.

“We have three vaccines well advanced, and two at 95 per cent efficacy — that is quite extraordinary.”

Nice polite opinion piece gently rebuking Stockholm Syndrome 2019

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-28/sweden-paid-too-high-a-price-with-its-rogue-coronavirus-policy/12922932

imagine if it had been COMMUNIST VIETNAM running such strategy, we would have said outright that it was fucking stupid the smartest thing anyone could have thought of and made a Great Bullshitartist Declaration about it … wait …

Another piece of fault by Dirty Dan

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/tough-sweeping-covid-rules-cover-99-of-population-in-england

Tough new restrictions to contain the coronavirus pandemic will cover 99% of England’s population from next week, with government scientists warning that there is little prospect of any real changes for possibly months to come.

On a sobering day that provoked fury from some MPs, the prime minister apologised for the heartache and frustration the sweeping measures would cause to up 55 million people placed in the highest two tiers, but warned that this was not the time for “taking our foot off the throat of the beast”.

Asked how the public should approach the brief festive respite, Whitty said: “Would I encourage someone to hug and kiss their elderly relatives? No I would not,” he said. “It’s not against the law. You can do it within the rules that are there – but it does not make sense, because you could be carrying the virus.”

“Hugging elderly relatives is not something to go out and do,” Vallance said, prompting Whitty to chip in: “If you want them to survive to be hugged again.”

Nice Rejoinder

Breaking News: 11 Months In, Authorities Realise For The First Time That Respiratory Infections Are Spread By Breathing Children

Italy is getting hammered, over 800 deaths yesterday and Germany had over 500.
Originally, at the start of the pandemic the WHO said masks are of little use, maybe they were right first up.

Peak Warming Man said:

Italy is getting hammered, over 800 deaths yesterday and Germany had over 500.
Originally, at the start of the pandemic the WHO said masks are of little use, maybe they were right first up.

I have a mate who went back to Italy in Feb to see his parents. He’s still there. Claims the biggest issue over there is that “People unfortunately are very stupid”.

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Italy is getting hammered, over 800 deaths yesterday and Germany had over 500.
Originally, at the start of the pandemic the WHO said masks are of little use, maybe they were right first up.

I have a mate who went back to Italy in Feb to see his parents. He’s still there. Claims the biggest issue over there is that “People unfortunately are very stupid”.

Make that short and stupid.

SCIENCE said:

I still reckon that Kew Anon thing is funny af

SCIENCE said:

Ha!

:)

Ooh, I missed an update on the Australian death statistics for this year. Now updated to 25 August.

Still running below the 5 year average.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

It looks like the CDC in USA have only got as far as the first quarter of this year so far.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/mortality-dashboard.htm

buffy said:

Australian death statistics

Still running below the 5 year average.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

don’t worry they’re going to die anyway, and now we’re stuck with them longer being expensive to maintain and not very productive

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Someone has had a go at assessing the COVID19 effect in America up to September. I haven’t looked at the method, don’t know what figures they used. It’s a preprint though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7480051/

“Assessing the Impact of the Covid-19 Pandemic on US Mortality: A County-Level Analysis”

I’m trawling. This piece from Scientific American would be interesting to bring it forward to now. It was published in October, but only really talks about up to August. It’s been a killing year in America.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-is-now-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s1/

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bored.

Then do something.

remember those earlier, simpler, calmer, happier times when this is the kind of weekend people had, there weren’t 50 000 000 crises and crazy shit constantly going on, the 24 hour news cycle actually cycled 7 times a week and it was easy to keep up with the important things