Ah shit I misspelled tread.

Anyhoo, four months out from the election, the WA Libs have changed leader. Or as the Murdoch press would put is, Labor In Crisis.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/zak-kirkup-elected-unopposed-as-new-wa-liberal-party-leader/12913004

Zak Kirkup elected new WA Liberal Party leader after Dean Nalder’s last-minute withdrawal

First-term MP Zak Kirkup will lead the WA Liberal Party to the March state election, having been elected unopposed after rival Dean Nalder pulled out of the contest shortly before a partyroom vote.

I don’t know the ins, or outs, of it and I definitely do not know why the last leader left but Dean probably thinks it is a no win situation and he’ll challenge after the inevitable loss. Unless Zak pulls off a miracle and becomes yet another accidental premier like the queensland one…

I think Marky McG will only have trouble if he fucks up border controls over Christmas especially. But the current climate is looking pretty good for him… the last real protest about the COVIDS not being a thing had a massive turnout of five people in kings park, so they have some work to do if they want to increase numbers.. maybe a Bunnings sausage sizzle when they open up again. And people of Perth are quite enjoying life as relatively normal as it has been for us for a number of months now.

Tourist spots are booming as travel is pretty much unrestricted within the state.. so that’s nice… and the state is big enough to make travel seem like a holiday and not just a backyard jaunt.

The win against Clive was pretty decent too.. that’s going to keep the punters in.

He’s got a pretty decent presence in his home seat of Rockingham, and goes to the pub to have a beer with punters. Demographically Rockingham possibly has a fair change of Nimbimitis, but Marky McG has managed to win them over as long as he doesn’t mandate COVID vaccinations, probably…

furious said:

I don’t know the ins, or outs, of it and I definitely do not know why the last leader left but Dean probably thinks it is a no win situation and he’ll challenge after the inevitable loss. Unless Zak pulls off a miracle and becomes yet another accidental premier like the queensland one…

The last leader left because she couldn’t maintain a profile. She decided to go the anti Covid lockdown and border controls route for political purposes. Ended up giving McGowan an almost unheard of 90% approval rating. Since then the media have stopped listening to her. Basically she got no hope in the election because the government only have to point to how well the border restrictions worked and that she was against it. Whatever people over east think of the border restrictions they did work, WA all but eliminated local transmission of Covid and kept the economy rolling along without any major economic crash.

• Whatever people over east think of the border restrictions they did work

I hope all the west australians who can finally get back into WA all enrol to vote in Rockingham and put him last on the ballot…

furious said:

• Whatever people over east think of the border restrictions they did work

I hope all the west australians who can finally get back into WA all enrol to vote in Rockingham and put him last on the ballot…

we have postal voting in this country so no need to come back.

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

• Whatever people over east think of the border restrictions they did work

I hope all the west australians who can finally get back into WA all enrol to vote in Rockingham and put him last on the ballot…

we have postal voting in this country so no need to come back.

Yeah, but to enrol to vote in Rockingham you have to, at least, pretend to live there in the first place…

furious said:

• Whatever people over east think of the border restrictions they did work

I hope all the west australians who can finally get back into WA all enrol to vote in Rockingham and put him last on the ballot…

I’ll be surprised if anyone else puts up a candidate in his electorate, apart from a couple of nutcase micro parties. Waste of resources for any of the major parties to contest his seat.

party_pants said:

furious said:

• Whatever people over east think of the border restrictions they did work

I hope all the west australians who can finally get back into WA all enrol to vote in Rockingham and put him last on the ballot…

I’ll be surprised if anyone else puts up a candidate in his electorate, apart from a couple of nutcase micro parties. Waste of resources for any of the major parties to contest his seat.

That is a shame. I know my scheme was always doomed to fail but I have grown to dislike the man…

furious said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

• Whatever people over east think of the border restrictions they did work

I hope all the west australians who can finally get back into WA all enrol to vote in Rockingham and put him last on the ballot…

I’ll be surprised if anyone else puts up a candidate in his electorate, apart from a couple of nutcase micro parties. Waste of resources for any of the major parties to contest his seat.

That is a shame. I know my scheme was always doomed to fail but I have grown to dislike the man…

Why is that?

Michael V said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

I’ll be surprised if anyone else puts up a candidate in his electorate, apart from a couple of nutcase micro parties. Waste of resources for any of the major parties to contest his seat.

That is a shame. I know my scheme was always doomed to fail but I have grown to dislike the man…

Why is that?

because he is good and decent and loves us all. except furious. something that happened between them years ago. apparently.

Michael V said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

I’ll be surprised if anyone else puts up a candidate in his electorate, apart from a couple of nutcase micro parties. Waste of resources for any of the major parties to contest his seat.

That is a shame. I know my scheme was always doomed to fail but I have grown to dislike the man…

Why is that?

He might be some kind of hero to many but his policies have screwed me over…

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

That is a shame. I know my scheme was always doomed to fail but I have grown to dislike the man…

Why is that?

He might be some kind of hero to many but his policies have screwed me over…

ah. you go into that category… I don’t like him because he didn’t make lockdown go for longer.. nor do a second one…

Arts said:

furious said:

Michael V said:

Why is that?

He might be some kind of hero to many but his policies have screwed me over…

ah. you go into that category… I don’t like him because he didn’t make lockdown go for longer.. nor do a second one…

No, I don’t like him because he is making me homeless…

furious said:

Arts said:

furious said:

He might be some kind of hero to many but his policies have screwed me over…

ah. you go into that category… I don’t like him because he didn’t make lockdown go for longer.. nor do a second one…

No, I don’t like him because he is making me homeless…

not good. dean nalder tried to do that to me.

furious said:

Arts said:

furious said:

He might be some kind of hero to many but his policies have screwed me over…

ah. you go into that category… I don’t like him because he didn’t make lockdown go for longer.. nor do a second one…

No, I don’t like him because he is making me homeless…

Is this because of Covid or some other reason?

party_pants said:

furious said:

Arts said:

ah. you go into that category… I don’t like him because he didn’t make lockdown go for longer.. nor do a second one…

No, I don’t like him because he is making me homeless…

Is this because of Covid or some other reason?

COVID…

furious said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

No, I don’t like him because he is making me homeless…

Is this because of Covid or some other reason?

COVID…

so I’m going to assume it’s his policy responses to COVID has had an effect on your ability to earn an income..

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

That is a shame. I know my scheme was always doomed to fail but I have grown to dislike the man…

Why is that?

He might be some kind of hero to many but his policies have screwed me over…

What policies, and in what way were you screwed over?

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

furious said:

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

Bugger.

:(

Michael V said:

furious said:

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

Bugger.

:(

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

furious said:

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

Have you had a good look (or consulted a legal) about the Act / regulations? There’s special provisions where the property is your primary place of residence and/or continuing the tenancy would cause you significant hardship.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

Bugger.

:(

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

LOL.

Great minds, hey?

:-)

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Bugger.

:(

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

LOL.

Great minds, hey?

:-)

There’s some quick ones here.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Bugger.

:(

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

LOL.

Great minds, hey?

:-)

We have been residential landlords in Victoria. There has always been a clause about if you need the house for your own personal use.

Rule 303 said:

furious said:

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

Have you had a good look (or consulted a legal) about the Act / regulations? There’s special provisions where the property is your primary place of residence and/or continuing the tenancy would cause you significant hardship.

Are you going to be paying more in rent than your tenants are paying you?

Maybe furious is reluctant to put his tenant into a similar position he is likely to be in.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

LOL.

Great minds, hey?

:-)

We have been residential landlords in Victoria. There has always been a clause about if you need the house for your own personal use.

And that’s about to stiff me over. We’re building at the moment and the house is due for completion in June. We were hoping to extend the lease on this place for 6 months and everything would be sweet. Hey the landlords are living overseas, what could possibly go wrong?

Yep – the rona. The landlords moved back from Hong Kong last month and want the house back at the end of Jan.

BUGGER

buffy said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

Bugger.

:(

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

Yeah, take it to court. What the agent suggested. Costs…

I hope you can find a solution that isn’t too expensive or detrimental Furious.

ChrispenEvan said:

Maybe furious is reluctant to put his tenant into a similar position he is likely to be in.

I do feel bad about it. Apparently they are pregnant…

Is Rockingham working class?

Arts said:

I hope you can find a solution that isn’t too expensive or detrimental Furious.

Me too.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

LOL.

Great minds, hey?

:-)

We have been residential landlords in Victoria. There has always been a clause about if you need the house for your own personal use.

And that’s about to stiff me over. We’re building at the moment and the house is due for completion in June. We were hoping to extend the lease on this place for 6 months and everything would be sweet. Hey the landlords are living overseas, what could possibly go wrong?

Yep – the rona. The landlords moved back from Hong Kong last month and want the house back at the end of Jan.

BUGGER

sucks bigly.

furious said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Bugger.

:(

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

Yeah, take it to court. What the agent suggested. Costs…

You would have to cost it up according to whatever rent you will have to pay yourself, against the cost of a solicitor.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

LOL.

Great minds, hey?

:-)

We have been residential landlords in Victoria. There has always been a clause about if you need the house for your own personal use.

And that’s about to stiff me over. We’re building at the moment and the house is due for completion in June. We were hoping to extend the lease on this place for 6 months and everything would be sweet. Hey the landlords are living overseas, what could possibly go wrong?

Yep – the rona. The landlords moved back from Hong Kong last month and want the house back at the end of Jan.

BUGGER

Can you get another rental?

buffy said:

furious said:

buffy said:

Have you looked into this part of it?

>>Landlords or tenants who are experiencing undue hardship can apply to the Magistrates Court to have the tenancy agreement terminated. For example, a landlord who loses their job and wants to make their rental property a primary residence will still be able to apply to the Court.<<

From: https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announcements/moratorium-residential-tenancy-evictions-becomes-law-wa

Yeah, take it to court. What the agent suggested. Costs…

You would have to cost it up according to whatever rent you will have to pay yourself, against the cost of a solicitor.

The other option was to incentivise the tenants to leave. More costs…

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

LOL.

Great minds, hey?

:-)

We have been residential landlords in Victoria. There has always been a clause about if you need the house for your own personal use.

And that’s about to stiff me over. We’re building at the moment and the house is due for completion in June. We were hoping to extend the lease on this place for 6 months and everything would be sweet. Hey the landlords are living overseas, what could possibly go wrong?

Yep – the rona. The landlords moved back from Hong Kong last month and want the house back at the end of Jan.

BUGGER

It’s quite a long commute from Mallacoota, isn’t it…hang on…you work from home!

:)

furious said:

buffy said:

furious said:

Yeah, take it to court. What the agent suggested. Costs…

You would have to cost it up according to whatever rent you will have to pay yourself, against the cost of a solicitor.

The other option was to incentivise the tenants to leave. More costs…

I know some ‘orrible people….and we have arts to get rid of any evidence.

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

buffy said:

You would have to cost it up according to whatever rent you will have to pay yourself, against the cost of a solicitor.

The other option was to incentivise the tenants to leave. More costs…

I know some ‘orrible people….and we have arts to get rid of any evidence.

I meant pay them to leave! Not pay someone to make them leave…

Witty Rejoinder said:

Is Rockingham working class?

sort of lots of trade workers
stat yourself out dude…

https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/SSC51290

furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

The other option was to incentivise the tenants to leave. More costs…

I know some ‘orrible people….and we have arts to get rid of any evidence.

I meant pay them to leave! Not pay someone to make them leave…

I don’t think that is the forum way.

furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

The other option was to incentivise the tenants to leave. More costs…

I know some ‘orrible people….and we have arts to get rid of any evidence.

I meant pay them to leave! Not pay someone to make them leave…

:)

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread. I’m sure Mark is better for most people than some whipper snapper named Zak. Enjoy your democracy…

Arts said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Is Rockingham working class?

sort of lots of trade workers
stat yourself out dude…

https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/SSC51290

Ta.

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

furious said:

Strange as it might seem, I own a house but I had to move to where the work was so I rented it out. Just so happens that the lease expired in September and the moratorium on ending tenancies was ending later that month. So, it went to a periodic lease requiring a two month notice period and that was fine as it still worked with my time frame. Then they went and extended the moratorium until the end of March. If the economy in WA is doing so great, why did they extend that? So, when my work dries up (soon) I will be without accommodation and can not get back to my house until the end of March. I won’t be living on the streets waiting but it is going to cost a significant amount to live somewhere no matter what option is chosen…

Have you had a good look (or consulted a legal) about the Act / regulations? There’s special provisions where the property is your primary place of residence and/or continuing the tenancy would cause you significant hardship.

Are you going to be paying more in rent than your tenants are paying you?

Because if not then you shouldn’t be out of pocket, right?

furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

The other option was to incentivise the tenants to leave. More costs…

I know some ‘orrible people….and we have arts to get rid of any evidence.

I meant pay them to leave! Not pay someone to make them leave…

damn!

So what are Trump’s chances in this one?

Bubblecar said:

So what are Trump’s chances in this one?

Pretty much the same as yours.

dv said:

dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Have you had a good look (or consulted a legal) about the Act / regulations? There’s special provisions where the property is your primary place of residence and/or continuing the tenancy would cause you significant hardship.

Are you going to be paying more in rent than your tenants are paying you?

Because if not then you shouldn’t be out of pocket, right?

Well, even if you could get a three month lease, I would be paying more. Then I’d have to pay removalists to move house after three months. Or I could get a furnished place then I’d have to pay storage for three months. Most likely it will be something akin to an air bnb plus storage for three months. Not cheap…

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I know some ‘orrible people….and we have arts to get rid of any evidence.

I meant pay them to leave! Not pay someone to make them leave…

damn!

damn!

“Zak” should get rid of that dark beard, it’s not doing him any favours.

Bubblecar said:

“Zak” should get rid of that dark beard, it’s not doing him any favours.

I thought you liked hirsute men?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

“Zak” should get rid of that dark beard, it’s not doing him any favours.

I thought you liked hirsute men?

Only if it suits them. This fellow just looks like he needs a shave.

And not knowing anything else about WA politics, I’m prepared to make that an issue.

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

“Zak” should get rid of that dark beard, it’s not doing him any favours.

I thought you liked hirsute men?

Only if it suits them. This fellow just looks like he needs a shave.

And not knowing anything else about WA politics, I’m prepared to make that an issue.

Made all the difference to Abraham Lincoln.

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

“Zak” should get rid of that dark beard, it’s not doing him any favours.

I thought you liked hirsute men?

Only if it suits them. This fellow just looks like he needs a shave.

And not knowing anything else about WA politics, I’m prepared to make that an issue.

He would like too young if he was clean shaven…

furious said:

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I thought you liked hirsute men?

Only if it suits them. This fellow just looks like he needs a shave.

And not knowing anything else about WA politics, I’m prepared to make that an issue.

He would like too young if he was clean shaven…

*look

furious said:

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I thought you liked hirsute men?

Only if it suits them. This fellow just looks like he needs a shave.

And not knowing anything else about WA politics, I’m prepared to make that an issue.

He would like too young if he was clean shaven…

I think he is, either way.

party_pants said:

furious said:

Bubblecar said:

Only if it suits them. This fellow just looks like he needs a shave.

And not knowing anything else about WA politics, I’m prepared to make that an issue.

He would like too young if he was clean shaven…

I think he is, either way.

He is, but he’d want to play that down as much as possible at this stage…

furious said:

dv said:

dv said:

Are you going to be paying more in rent than your tenants are paying you?

Because if not then you shouldn’t be out of pocket, right?

Well, even if you could get a three month lease, I would be paying more. Then I’d have to pay removalists to move house after three months. Or I could get a furnished place then I’d have to pay storage for three months. Most likely it will be something akin to an air bnb plus storage for three months. Not cheap…

Yeah does seem like a pita

So this guy that Bubblecar dislikes because he has a short beard – Kirkup – has been left holding the poisoned chalice. Correct?

here he is without the facial hair… he looks like he’s been talking to a stylist now.

Arts said:

here he is without the facial hair… he looks like he’s been talking to a stylist now.

Arts said:

Arts said:

here he is without the facial hair… he looks like he’s been talking to a stylist now.

his mentalis makes him look like a cartoon character… that’s what the stylist would have said.. you have to look more serious, have a bit of beard to give yourself some authenticity.

Michael V said:

So this guy that Bubblecar dislikes because he has a short beard – Kirkup – has been left holding the poisoned chalice. Correct?

It is more of a case of last man standing. The party only have around a dozen or so seats in the parliament, after a landslide loss in 2017. I think they have only about 4 or 5 seats in the metro area. There are not many other options left but old and tired politicians who were minsters under the previous government and have a tainted record, or very young and inexperienced new faces. I am sure he sees it as an opportunity rather than poisoned chalice. He seems to be a professional politician, working as a staffer since his early 20s.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

So this guy that Bubblecar dislikes because he has a short beard – Kirkup – has been left holding the poisoned chalice. Correct?

It is more of a case of last man standing. The party only have around a dozen or so seats in the parliament, after a landslide loss in 2017. I think they have only about 4 or 5 seats in the metro area. There are not many other options left but old and tired politicians who were minsters under the previous government and have a tainted record, or very young and inexperienced new faces. I am sure he sees it as an opportunity rather than poisoned chalice. He seems to be a professional politician, working as a staffer since his early 20s.

Ta.

:)

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

So this guy that Bubblecar dislikes because he has a short beard – Kirkup – has been left holding the poisoned chalice. Correct?

It is more of a case of last man standing. The party only have around a dozen or so seats in the parliament, after a landslide loss in 2017. I think they have only about 4 or 5 seats in the metro area. There are not many other options left but old and tired politicians who were minsters under the previous government and have a tainted record, or very young and inexperienced new faces. I am sure he sees it as an opportunity rather than poisoned chalice. He seems to be a professional politician, working as a staffer since his early 20s.

As others have alluded to, the golden chalice can be a nettle you grasp on the yellow brick road as it was for Palaszczuk in Qld.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

So this guy that Bubblecar dislikes because he has a short beard – Kirkup – has been left holding the poisoned chalice. Correct?

It is more of a case of last man standing. The party only have around a dozen or so seats in the parliament, after a landslide loss in 2017. I think they have only about 4 or 5 seats in the metro area. There are not many other options left but old and tired politicians who were minsters under the previous government and have a tainted record, or very young and inexperienced new faces. I am sure he sees it as an opportunity rather than poisoned chalice. He seems to be a professional politician, working as a staffer since his early 20s.

LOL. Just found out that his girlfriend is the deputy editor of The West Austraian newspaper. Probably the party’s best chance for some favourable media coverage.

Don’t know a lot about WA politics but if Mick Gowan gets beaten because of a swag of postal votes, shonky postal votes, there could end up being a royal commission into Australia Post and Mick might not go quietly.

Funny old game… Qld and WA are deep red now and NSW is the conservative bastion

dv said:

Funny old game… Qld and WA are deep red now and NSW is the conservative bastion

except in Federal politics.

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

So this guy that Bubblecar dislikes because he has a short beard – Kirkup – has been left holding the poisoned chalice. Correct?

It is more of a case of last man standing. The party only have around a dozen or so seats in the parliament, after a landslide loss in 2017. I think they have only about 4 or 5 seats in the metro area. There are not many other options left but old and tired politicians who were minsters under the previous government and have a tainted record, or very young and inexperienced new faces. I am sure he sees it as an opportunity rather than poisoned chalice. He seems to be a professional politician, working as a staffer since his early 20s.

LOL. Just found out that his girlfriend is the deputy editor of The West Austraian newspaper. Probably the party’s best chance for some favourable media coverage.

surely she would have to abide some of the strict guidelines and maintain professi….. oh the west Australian.. never mind.

Do people actually care about this?

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

Yes.

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

JFC

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

JFC

^

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

I don’t know any WA pollies.

I have watched Starman many years ago.

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

Yes.

Why?

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

Yes.

Why?

You might have him there.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

Yes.

Why?

People like good governance and are interested in seeing it continue

dv said:

Funny old game… Qld and WA are deep red now and NSW is the conservative bastion

The old paradigms are gone son.
People don’t vote on ideological or party lines much these days.
Queensland is a great example when you compare their federal and state results.
Queenslanders are not sheeple.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Funny old game… Qld and WA are deep red now and NSW is the conservative bastion

The old paradigms are gone son.
People don’t vote on ideological or party lines much these days.
Queensland is a great example when you compare their federal and state results.
Queenslanders are not sheeple.

Certainly seems all the incumbents (state and federal) are riding pretty high right now.
I wonder whether Morrison might call an election sooner rather than later…

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

Yes.

I care about who is running what , when and with whom..so ..yes…

monkey skipper said:

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Do people actually care about this?

Yes.

I care about who is running what , when and with whom..so ..yes…

And Aussies like to punt …so there is propbably a bob or two on who wins!

I miss Curve’s insight in these debates, the thing I liked about him was is that he could pop up anywhere on the political spectrum depending on the issue, he was unusual but he was a thinker.

Peak Warming Man said:

I miss Curve’s insight in these debates, the thing I liked about him was is that he could pop up anywhere on the political spectrum depending on the issue, he was unusual but he was a thinker.

+1

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I miss Curve’s insight in these debates, the thing I liked about him was is that he could pop up anywhere on the political spectrum depending on the issue, he was unusual but he was a thinker.

+1

Very much interested in pollies and politics. I believe he was a poster on a political site as well… if memory serves me correctly.

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I miss Curve’s insight in these debates, the thing I liked about him was is that he could pop up anywhere on the political spectrum depending on the issue, he was unusual but he was a thinker.

+1

Very much interested in pollies and politics. I believe he was a poster on a political site as well… if memory serves me correctly.

There was a olitical spin-off site from the old forum, but that died in the arse a long long time ago. As did the old ABC Grandstands sports forum spinoff. Too few numbers to get fresh insights, and the same old members started building up grudges against each other.

Peak Warming Man said:

I miss Curve’s insight in these debates, the thing I liked about him was is that he could pop up anywhere on the political spectrum depending on the issue, he was unusual but he was a thinker.

What Moll not good enough for you? I admit it’s more a mish-mash approach and not so much the thinking but he’s all we’ve got God dammit!!!

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

+1

Very much interested in pollies and politics. I believe he was a poster on a political site as well… if memory serves me correctly.

There was a olitical spin-off site from the old forum, but that died in the arse a long long time ago. As did the old ABC Grandstands sports forum spinoff. Too few numbers to get fresh insights, and the same old members started building up grudges against each other.

Well it’s a good thing that’ll never happen here

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

+1

Very much interested in pollies and politics. I believe he was a poster on a political site as well… if memory serves me correctly.

There was a olitical spin-off site from the old forum, but that died in the arse a long long time ago. As did the old ABC Grandstands sports forum spinoff. Too few numbers to get fresh insights, and the same old members started building up grudges against each other.

I think Scribbly was a bit political but in a way not surprising as people have differing views on what good conservations practises should look like .. heck parliament argues about those lines continously … points to recent issues surrounding koala conservation policies.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

+1

Very much interested in pollies and politics. I believe he was a poster on a political site as well… if memory serves me correctly.

There was a olitical spin-off site from the old forum, but that died in the arse a long long time ago. As did the old ABC Grandstands sports forum spinoff. Too few numbers to get fresh insights, and the same old members started building up grudges against each other.

I’m surprised this place has lasted particularly given the absence of regeneration and the loss of regulars due to falling off the mortal coil and for an unmoderated forum it’s remarkably civil.
Our numbers will continue to decline as the years roll on, I cant see posters like Lord Lucan lasting much longer.

don’t worry one day we’ll get around to parsing the entire SSSFSGNFTTTF decade through linguistic model engine and you’ll all regret it

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

Very much interested in pollies and politics. I believe he was a poster on a political site as well… if memory serves me correctly.

There was a olitical spin-off site from the old forum, but that died in the arse a long long time ago. As did the old ABC Grandstands sports forum spinoff. Too few numbers to get fresh insights, and the same old members started building up grudges against each other.

I think Scribbly was a bit political but in a way not surprising as people have differing views on what good conservations practises should look like .. heck parliament argues about those lines continously … points to recent issues surrounding koala conservation policies.

It was JJJ political animal forum.

sarahs mum said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

There was a olitical spin-off site from the old forum, but that died in the arse a long long time ago. As did the old ABC Grandstands sports forum spinoff. Too few numbers to get fresh insights, and the same old members started building up grudges against each other.

I think Scribbly was a bit political but in a way not surprising as people have differing views on what good conservations practises should look like .. heck parliament argues about those lines continously … points to recent issues surrounding koala conservation policies.

It was JJJ political animal forum.

Speaking of J’s did JJ pass on?

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

Yes.

Why?

People like good governance and are interested in seeing it continue

So is it a personality thing? Or a policy thing?

I don’t see policies of the state government having much effect on WA unlike for instance the battle over the Darling River in the east.
As as for personalities, well, I only see that as a distraction from the real issues of policies.
As for government, well, that tends to continue independently of government.
So it really only boils down to how money is shared out between state departments?

Anyway, this zac guy is going to be PM. Like Donald Trump he has known that since he was little. So don’t expect him to give a shit about WA.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

People like good governance and are interested in seeing it continue

So is it a personality thing? Or a policy thing?

Policy

Peak Warming Man said:

I miss Curve’s insight in these debates, the thing I liked about him was is that he could pop up anywhere on the political spectrum depending on the issue, he was unusual but he was a thinker.

Thats alright PWM

you’ve still got me

wookiemeister said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I miss Curve’s insight in these debates, the thing I liked about him was is that he could pop up anywhere on the political spectrum depending on the issue, he was unusual but he was a thinker.

Thats alright PWM

you’ve still got me

The Lord is merciful but also mysterious

There’s not a lot of independent polling about but Ucomms have published a poll.

“The West Australian now reports on a further poll, this one conducted by uComms for the Conservation Council of Western Australia, giving Labor a 61-39 lead on two-party preferred statewide poll. The primary votes are Labor 46.8%, Liberal 27.5% and Nationals 5.1%, Greens 8.3% and One Nation 6.9%, after inclusion of a forced response follow-up for the 5.3% who were initially undecided.”

Labor has done a bit of a weird deal with the Shooters. Labor have given the Shooters their highest preferences in two of the regions (Agricultural, and Mining & Pastoral) in the upper house, while the Shooters have given Labor a higher preference than Lib/Nats in the lower house.

This seems like a bad deal for Labor, since the upper house preferences actually count for something (in that they positively affirm where your prefs will go if you vote above the line), whereas in the lower house it’s basically nothing more than a suggestion on a how to vote card: people can arrange prefs however they want.

dv said:

There’s not a lot of independent polling about but Ucomms have published a poll.

“The West Australian now reports on a further poll, this one conducted by uComms for the Conservation Council of Western Australia, giving Labor a 61-39 lead on two-party preferred statewide poll. The primary votes are Labor 46.8%, Liberal 27.5% and Nationals 5.1%, Greens 8.3% and One Nation 6.9%, after inclusion of a forced response follow-up for the 5.3% who were initially undecided.”

Labor has done a bit of a weird deal with the Shooters. Labor have given the Shooters their highest preferences in two of the regions (Agricultural, and Mining & Pastoral) in the upper house, while the Shooters have given Labor a higher preference than Lib/Nats in the lower house.

This seems like a bad deal for Labor, since the upper house preferences actually count for something (in that they positively affirm where your prefs will go if you vote above the line), whereas in the lower house it’s basically nothing more than a suggestion on a how to vote card: people can arrange prefs however they want.

Don’t just tell us, tell them.

https://www.walabor.org.au/about/contact/

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

There’s not a lot of independent polling about but Ucomms have published a poll.

“The West Australian now reports on a further poll, this one conducted by uComms for the Conservation Council of Western Australia, giving Labor a 61-39 lead on two-party preferred statewide poll. The primary votes are Labor 46.8%, Liberal 27.5% and Nationals 5.1%, Greens 8.3% and One Nation 6.9%, after inclusion of a forced response follow-up for the 5.3% who were initially undecided.”

Labor has done a bit of a weird deal with the Shooters. Labor have given the Shooters their highest preferences in two of the regions (Agricultural, and Mining & Pastoral) in the upper house, while the Shooters have given Labor a higher preference than Lib/Nats in the lower house.

This seems like a bad deal for Labor, since the upper house preferences actually count for something (in that they positively affirm where your prefs will go if you vote above the line), whereas in the lower house it’s basically nothing more than a suggestion on a how to vote card: people can arrange prefs however they want.

Don’t just tell us, tell them.

https://www.walabor.org.au/about/contact/

Sadly I’ve rather missed the boat on that as the preferences have already been published

Tell Them On Election Day

Liberals desperately hope for poll outlier

The Newspoll estimated Labor holds a 68 to 32 per cent two-party preferred lead.

On primary votes alone, Labor is on 59 per cent and the Liberals just 23.

It was the most lopsided Newspoll ever, in any state.

If that is the result on March 13, the Liberals would be reduced to just two seats out of 59 in the Legislative Assembly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/wa-newspoll-raises-prospect-of-election-catastrophe-for-liberals/13176366

dv said:

Liberals desperately hope for poll outlier

The Newspoll estimated Labor holds a 68 to 32 per cent two-party preferred lead.

On primary votes alone, Labor is on 59 per cent and the Liberals just 23.

It was the most lopsided Newspoll ever, in any state.

If that is the result on March 13, the Liberals would be reduced to just two seats out of 59 in the Legislative Assembly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/wa-newspoll-raises-prospect-of-election-catastrophe-for-liberals/13176366

Holy!

It should be said that Waxit aren’t terrible. I don’t agree with their policy: I think all things considered, WA is better off as part of the CoA, but there’s no real xenophobia about them or anything like that.

Martin Bush they don’t have a lot of specific policies other than the headline. Their policy page mentions that they are concerned that the WA economy is too reliant on one commodity, iron ore, and needs to diversify. They oppose privatisation and favour upgrading rail, electricity and water infrastructure, including more battery storage and the Ord to Perth pipeline. They want to make tertiary education cheaper.

They seem to favour closer diplomacy with China and increase the number of skilled migrants, and boost population growth through financial incentives.

I mean it’s not awful, certainly no hint of xenophobia in there.
In the lower house they are making no preference suggestions.
Their upper house preferences appear to be the normal random preference-lotto deals: anti-vax, one nation, legalise cannabis, animal justice, shooters, GAP and WAP… they do preference the Libs over Labor, notably.

So apparently youse were all correct and here it is,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-01/legalise-cannabis-wa-daylight-saving-parties-legislative-council/100045910

Legalise Marijuana WA Party’s Sophia Moermond has secured a seat in the Legislative Council’s South West region from 2 per cent of votes.

Meanwhile, the Daylight Saving Party’s Wilson Tucker has been elected in the Mining and Pastoral Region after starting the count with just 98 votes, or 0.2 per cent.

ABC election analyst Antony Green said the event could be the “nail in the coffin” for the ticket voting system in WA. “It would be absolutely impossible for the party to be elected from that percentage of the vote under almost any electoral system in the world.” “To have a party elected from that level of vote in a region is just ridiculous. “To be elected from such a low vote in the Mining and Pastoral Region, an area which votes consistently against daylight saving, will probably be the final nail in the coffin for the ticket voting system in Western Australia.

SCIENCE said:

So apparently youse were all correct and here it is,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-01/legalise-cannabis-wa-daylight-saving-parties-legislative-council/100045910

Legalise Marijuana WA Party’s Sophia Moermond has secured a seat in the Legislative Council’s South West region from 2 per cent of votes.

Meanwhile, the Daylight Saving Party’s Wilson Tucker has been elected in the Mining and Pastoral Region after starting the count with just 98 votes, or 0.2 per cent.

ABC election analyst Antony Green said the event could be the “nail in the coffin” for the ticket voting system in WA. “It would be absolutely impossible for the party to be elected from that percentage of the vote under almost any electoral system in the world.” “To have a party elected from that level of vote in a region is just ridiculous. “To be elected from such a low vote in the Mining and Pastoral Region, an area which votes consistently against daylight saving, will probably be the final nail in the coffin for the ticket voting system in Western Australia.

98 people probably thought they were voting for Wilson Tuckey.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

So apparently youse were all correct and here it is,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-01/legalise-cannabis-wa-daylight-saving-parties-legislative-council/100045910

Legalise Marijuana WA Party’s Sophia Moermond has secured a seat in the Legislative Council’s South West region from 2 per cent of votes.

Meanwhile, the Daylight Saving Party’s Wilson Tucker has been elected in the Mining and Pastoral Region after starting the count with just 98 votes, or 0.2 per cent.

ABC election analyst Antony Green said the event could be the “nail in the coffin” for the ticket voting system in WA. “It would be absolutely impossible for the party to be elected from that percentage of the vote under almost any electoral system in the world.” “To have a party elected from that level of vote in a region is just ridiculous. “To be elected from such a low vote in the Mining and Pastoral Region, an area which votes consistently against daylight saving, will probably be the final nail in the coffin for the ticket voting system in Western Australia.

98 people probably thought they were voting for Wilson Tuckey.

probably, considering the area. I thought they had made a mistake in the name.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

So apparently youse were all correct and here it is,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-01/legalise-cannabis-wa-daylight-saving-parties-legislative-council/100045910

Legalise Marijuana WA Party’s Sophia Moermond has secured a seat in the Legislative Council’s South West region from 2 per cent of votes.

Meanwhile, the Daylight Saving Party’s Wilson Tucker has been elected in the Mining and Pastoral Region after starting the count with just 98 votes, or 0.2 per cent.

ABC election analyst Antony Green said the event could be the “nail in the coffin” for the ticket voting system in WA. “It would be absolutely impossible for the party to be elected from that percentage of the vote under almost any electoral system in the world.” “To have a party elected from that level of vote in a region is just ridiculous. “To be elected from such a low vote in the Mining and Pastoral Region, an area which votes consistently against daylight saving, will probably be the final nail in the coffin for the ticket voting system in Western Australia.

98 people probably thought they were voting for Wilson Tuckey.

Lol

I wonder whether Antony is right.