Date: 26/11/2020 12:15:51
From: transition
ID: 1655421
Subject: tradition, alternate universes

i’m toying with the idea of some change to the tradition of the lady of married couples adopting or inheriting the man’s last name, of course there are variants to tradition these days, mixed last names, hyphenated or whatever, using both, some evolution of tradition there

the proposition though is of swinging tradition right around, to be more inclusive you know, i’m an advocate of diversity and egalitarianism

anyway, there are of course the more obvious efficiencies perhaps of adopting the man’s last name, sort of helps consolidate the family unit, the economic unit too if you like, helps with reproduction maybe

anyway, of the less perhaps easily and commonly spoken about dimension of the tradition, I was wondering what the barriers are to men adopting the lady’s last name, and possible benefits for men if the tradition was changed, or loosened up

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Date: 26/11/2020 12:19:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1655425
Subject: re: tradition, alternate universes

transition said:


i’m toying with the idea of some change to the tradition of the lady of married couples adopting or inheriting the man’s last name, of course there are variants to tradition these days, mixed last names, hyphenated or whatever, using both, some evolution of tradition there

the proposition though is of swinging tradition right around, to be more inclusive you know, i’m an advocate of diversity and egalitarianism

anyway, there are of course the more obvious efficiencies perhaps of adopting the man’s last name, sort of helps consolidate the family unit, the economic unit too if you like, helps with reproduction maybe

anyway, of the less perhaps easily and commonly spoken about dimension of the tradition, I was wondering what the barriers are to men adopting the lady’s last name, and possible benefits for men if the tradition was changed, or loosened up

Well it would seem fairer for kids to take the name of the person who had done 99.999999999% of the work in bringing them into being.

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Date: 26/11/2020 12:22:22
From: transition
ID: 1655427
Subject: re: tradition, alternate universes

just doesn’t seem fair to me, men have no opportunity to get another last name, not even the market for another last name

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Date: 26/11/2020 14:58:18
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1655520
Subject: re: tradition, alternate universes

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

i’m toying with the idea of some change to the tradition of the lady of married couples adopting or inheriting the man’s last name, of course there are variants to tradition these days, mixed last names, hyphenated or whatever, using both, some evolution of tradition there

the proposition though is of swinging tradition right around, to be more inclusive you know, i’m an advocate of diversity and egalitarianism

anyway, there are of course the more obvious efficiencies perhaps of adopting the man’s last name, sort of helps consolidate the family unit, the economic unit too if you like, helps with reproduction maybe

anyway, of the less perhaps easily and commonly spoken about dimension of the tradition, I was wondering what the barriers are to men adopting the lady’s last name, and possible benefits for men if the tradition was changed, or loosened up

Well it would seem fairer for kids to take the name of the person who had done 99.999999999% of the work in bringing them into being.

From the lazy lover.

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Date: 26/11/2020 15:05:15
From: Ian
ID: 1655524
Subject: re: tradition, alternate universes

PermeateFree said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

i’m toying with the idea of some change to the tradition of the lady of married couples adopting or inheriting the man’s last name, of course there are variants to tradition these days, mixed last names, hyphenated or whatever, using both, some evolution of tradition there

the proposition though is of swinging tradition right around, to be more inclusive you know, i’m an advocate of diversity and egalitarianism

anyway, there are of course the more obvious efficiencies perhaps of adopting the man’s last name, sort of helps consolidate the family unit, the economic unit too if you like, helps with reproduction maybe

anyway, of the less perhaps easily and commonly spoken about dimension of the tradition, I was wondering what the barriers are to men adopting the lady’s last name, and possible benefits for men if the tradition was changed, or loosened up

Well it would seem fairer for kids to take the name of the person who had done 99.999999999% of the work in bringing them into being.

From the lazy lover.

Roffle

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Date: 26/11/2020 19:51:00
From: Arts
ID: 1655715
Subject: re: tradition, alternate universes

transition said:


just doesn’t seem fair to me, men have no opportunity to get another last name, not even the market for another last name

men can and do change their last name to their wives surname.. but anyone can change their last name by deed poll.. I mean you don’t have to get married to do it…

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Date: 26/11/2020 19:54:50
From: transition
ID: 1655718
Subject: re: tradition, alternate universes

Arts said:


transition said:

just doesn’t seem fair to me, men have no opportunity to get another last name, not even the market for another last name

men can and do change their last name to their wives surname.. but anyone can change their last name by deed poll.. I mean you don’t have to get married to do it…

anyway, I was contemplating the contribution the convention has to the structure of society, that obvious, and that made perhaps not so obvious by the convention

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Date: 26/11/2020 20:25:48
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1655736
Subject: re: tradition, alternate universes

transition said:


i’m toying with the idea of some change to the tradition of the lady of married couples adopting or inheriting the man’s last name, of course there are variants to tradition these days, mixed last names, hyphenated or whatever, using both, some evolution of tradition there

the proposition though is of swinging tradition right around, to be more inclusive you know, i’m an advocate of diversity and egalitarianism

anyway, there are of course the more obvious efficiencies perhaps of adopting the man’s last name, sort of helps consolidate the family unit, the economic unit too if you like, helps with reproduction maybe

anyway, of the less perhaps easily and commonly spoken about dimension of the tradition, I was wondering what the barriers are to men adopting the lady’s last name, and possible benefits for men if the tradition was changed, or loosened up

A man taking a different last name is common enough. Taking a woman’s last name is less common.

I can think of one case in history where a man would take a woman’s last name, in Scottish clans. This may also happen in other clans, including aboriginal. There are matrilineal aboriginal clans.

The process is as follows – a man for whatever reason (such as fleeing justice) joins an unrelated clan, and adopts the name of that clan as his last name. Then marries a woman from that clan. So effectively he has changed his last name to hers.

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